Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Adam McKenna
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 02:03:32PM +0800, Philip, Tim (CNBC Asia) wrote: Thanks for all the interest in my original posting to this list. My question was:- "Is it possible to stop qmail from generating multiple bounce messages when mail with a forged sender address is received for

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Philip, Tim (CNBC Asia) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for all the interest in my original posting to this list. My question was:- "Is it possible to stop qmail from generating multiple bounce messages when mail with a forged sender address is received for multiple bad (non-local)

Re: bounce management

2000-07-24 Thread Thomas Duterme
Hi Aaron, I am that poor soul you mentioned! I've looked at VERPS and it looks pretty good for being able to handle bounces and guaranteeing correct mail addresses, but this still doesn't address the issue of automated bounce handlers. More to the point: I'm trying to find out what rules these

log connections using tcpserver?

2000-07-24 Thread Enrique Vadillo
Hi all, I'm using qmail 1.03, i'd like to log every IP connection to my qmail smtp server, i've noticed that tcpserver is not logging this info for now, my tcpserver runs like follows: tcpserver -R -c 100 -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -v -u 7170 -g 1100 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd \ 21 |

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 12:53:34AM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote: Peter van Dijk writes: On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 08:22:41AM -0400, Russell Nelson wrote: Yup. I'm just going by history here. MAPS has never abused their position, whereas ORBS is known to block non-spammers simply

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 02:03:32PM +0800, Philip, Tim (CNBC Asia) wrote: [snip] PS I don't want to get involved in the ORBS debate [although it is most probably a bit late ;-)], but one of the original orbs probe messages in my mail logs had the following line:- Received: from unknown (HELO

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Peter van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 02:03:32PM +0800, Philip, Tim (CNBC Asia) wrote: PS I don't want to get involved in the ORBS debate [although it is most probably a bit late ;-)], but one of the original orbs probe messages in my mail logs had the following

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 01:01:18AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: [snip] Our company hosts the relaytester because some of our techies believe the ORBS-project is worth supporting. All opinions I post are mine, possibly but not necessarily shared by zero or more of my co-workers. For what

Bouncesaying question

2000-07-24 Thread Gavin Cameron
Hi all, I have a ~alias/.qmail-bouncer file with the contents |bouncesaying 'This is an automated bounce message' exit 0 When I send this address a messages I expect to have it bounced back at me... My logs show: Jul 24 18:04:30 maybe smtpd: 964425870.197821 tcpserver: status: 0/40 Jul 24

451 qq trouble creating files in queue (again) ...

2000-07-24 Thread Toens Bueker
Hi *, when I try to torture my brand new qmail installation (qmail-1.03 + bigtodo + bigconcurrency on Solaris 7, queue on a separate 9 GB disk, mounted with 'noatime', conf-split 521 or 321) a little bit, I get this error message after about 1000 mails: 451 qq trouble creating files in queue

MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Philipp Steinkrüger
Hello, i have a problem with Qmail and Maildir. I installed qmail and vpopmail and everything works fine for local accounts. So if i send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the mail is put into ~philipp/Maildir/new. Thats nice ! But if i send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the log gives me this

RE: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Brett Randall
One other thing is that each of the home directories must have a .qmail file which contains ./Maildir/ as well (exactly as I have typed it), and make sure that it contains a Maildir naturally with the owner and group being the same as who will be accessing it. Brett Randall. Manager

Re: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Philipp Steinkrüger
Brett Randall wrote: One other thing is that each of the home directories must have a .qmail file which contains ./Maildir/ as well (exactly as I have typed it), and make sure that it contains a Maildir naturally with the owner and group being the same as who will be accessing it.

Re: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Philipp Steinkrüger
Frank Tegtmeyer wrote: /usr/bin/tcpserver 0 pop3 /usr/sbin/qmail-popup diavolos.oberberg-online.de /bin/checkpassword /usr/sbin/qmail-pop3d Maildir Here is definitely an error - if you use vpopmail you cannot use the checkpassword provided by DJB. I found this in the

RE: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Brett Randall
OK, try changing the ownership of the Maildir and the .qmail file to the actual person that the mail is being delivered to...When qmail-local tries delivering there, it relies on those permissions to be able to write to the Maildir Brett Manager InterPlanetary Solutions http://ipsware.com/

Re: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Philipp Steinkrüger
Brett Randall wrote: OK, try changing the ownership of the Maildir and the .qmail file to the actual person that the mail is being delivered to...When qmail-local tries delivering there, it relies on those permissions to be able to write to the Maildir Hmm, i cannot do this, because the

qmail Digest 24 Jul 2000 10:00:00 -0000 Issue 1072

2000-07-24 Thread qmail-digest-help
qmail Digest 24 Jul 2000 10:00:00 - Issue 1072 Topics (messages 45349 through 45402): poor performance under tcpserver 45349 by: reach_prashant.zeenext.com 45351 by: asantos Checkpoppasswd again! HELP!!! 45350 by: Manav Re: Attitude 45352 by: Russell

RE: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Brett Randall
OK...I didn't know virtual users actually existed. Somewhere along the line qmail has to know where to deliver the mail to, and this is pulled (eventually, no matter how many virtualhosts and aliases you have) from the passwd file or NIS map. It will go to the home directory, open .qmail and see

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Ricardo Cerqueira
You cannot do more than check a single IP address and get a yes or no response without having a signed agreement with the RBL team. At the moment, I don't believe they even allow you to download their whole list at all since they're reworking the agreement. Wrong. You can perform

Re: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer
I found this in the qmail-FAQ, Question 5.3: how do i set up qmail-pop3d. So there is a problem with my startup script ? Definitely. You will not be able to get mails by POP3 for virtual domains. created and i can log on the virtual pop account using sqwebmail. That would surprise me. Are

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Ricardo Cerqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. You can perform zone transfers on MAPS' nameservers :-) That'll give you the entire list. Without signing the document? That sounds like a bug, since they say on the web page that they didn't intend to allow that without someone signing.

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:47:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Ricardo Cerqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. You can perform zone transfers on MAPS' nameservers :-) That'll give you the entire list. Without signing the document? That sounds like a bug, since they say on the web

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Chris, the Young One
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:47:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: ! Ricardo Cerqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ! Wrong. You can perform zone transfers on MAPS' nameservers :-) That'll ! give you the entire list. ! ! Without signing the document? Yes. DJB has posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] a

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Jul 00, at 22:54, Chris, the Young One wrote: ! Wrong. You can perform zone transfers on MAPS' nameservers :-) ! That'll give you the entire list. ! ! Without signing the document? Yes. DJB has posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] a

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Ricardo Cerqueira
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:47:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Ricardo Cerqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wrong. You can perform zone transfers on MAPS' nameservers :-) That'll give you the entire list. Without signing the document? That sounds like a bug, since they say on the web

Re: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Philipp Steinkrüger
Brett Randall wrote: OK...I didn't know virtual users actually existed. Somewhere along the line qmail has to know where to deliver the mail to, and this is pulled (eventually, no matter how many virtualhosts and aliases you have) from the passwd file or NIS map. It will go to the home

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Peter van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: www.orbs.org/database.html ORBS only provides dumps consisting of hosts over 30 days old. From RSS, tho, a current list is easily obtained as Alan outlines there. That claims a straight-forward zone transfer works. Grr. Okay, off to mail the RSS

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Ricardo Cerqueira
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 10:54:38PM +1200, Chris, the Young One wrote: On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:47:03AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: ! Ricardo Cerqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ! Wrong. You can perform zone transfers on MAPS' nameservers :-) That'll ! give you the entire list. ! !

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Chris, the Young One
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 01:01:23PM +0200, Petr Novotny wrote: ! Do you mean the same one as I do? That one doesn't do anything ! else than "bruteforce-downloading" the entire zone on host-by-host ! basis (the only "speedups" come from the possibility of having the ! entire /24, /16 or even /8

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Ricardo Cerqueira
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 12:12:32PM +0100, Ricardo Cerqueira wrote: and now, it refuses the query :-) I hate replying to myself, but it still works. Must have been a momentary failure. RC -- +--- | Ricardo Cerqueira | PGP Key fingerprint - B7 05 13 CE 48 0A BF 1E 87

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Ricardo Cerqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 12:12:32PM +0100, Ricardo Cerqueira wrote: and now, it refuses the query :-) I hate replying to myself, but it still works. Must have been a momentary failure. I've mailed them and made the same arguments that I was

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Ricardo Cerqueira
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 04:45:31AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Ricardo Cerqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 12:12:32PM +0100, Ricardo Cerqueira wrote: and now, it refuses the query :-) I hate replying to myself, but it still works. Must have been a momentary

qmail delivery 'blocked'

2000-07-24 Thread Wayne Chu
This had happened serveral times before: My qmail+ezmlm mailling-list server suddenly stopped all delivery. No mail could be send from remote to local, local to remote, or even local to local. All qmail-inject return success. And no error messages were logged. But then I log in as root, and

qmail bouncing messages

2000-07-24 Thread martin langhoff
hi list, it seems that my qmail setup is bouncing messages every once in a while. lists managed by ezmlm send me warnings such as : Messages to you from the vmailmgr mailing list seem to have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce message I received. and

Re: bounce management

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
Thomas Duterme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've looked at VERPS and it looks pretty good for being able to handle bounces and guaranteeing correct mail addresses, but this still doesn't address the issue of automated bounce handlers. More to the point: I'm trying to find out what rules these

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Brian Johnson
On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 07:36:55PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 23 July 2000 at 19:53:13 -0400 On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 04:21:53PM -0700, Eric Cox wrote: Some would argue that MAPS abused their position when they listed ORBS - they do have a

virtualdomain mapping to ~alias users

2000-07-24 Thread Daniel Cave
Hi. I would like to be able to setup multiple pop3 email accounts using the virtual domains file allowing the following. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do I do this with regard to

Re: qmail died again... 3x in 3 weeks

2000-07-24 Thread Paul Farber
It seems that all of a sudden my RH had a resource limit problem. DNS is fine, but after 61 qmail-remotes it wouls appear that RH ran out of resources. I searched the archives and added some ulimit commands to the qmail.init script, but I couldn't find a way to determine how many files to allow

Re: virtualdomain mapping to ~alias users

2000-07-24 Thread Brett Randall
Wow! you do this in such a complex way! Install fastforward, then set up virtualdomains as: bloggs.com:alias {literally the word 'alias'} Then edit /etc/aliases and add aliases: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then run newaliases to update the database

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
"Michael T. Babcock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, is there a discussion in the past that I've missed about 'void main' declarations? :-) Yes. A quick search of the archives for "void main" yields: http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/1996/12/msg01898.html -Dave

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
No offense to DJB at all, but you have a very strange view of open sourced software if you don't believe in using patches. I presume you don't use rolled distributions of Linux (if you run Linux at all) either, seeing as they're usually packed with patches. Patches are basically the equivalent

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
Joe Kelsey wrote: If a major point of Qmail's existence is to provide reliable E-mail delivery, then this _must_ include cooperating with other MTAs (without violating standards) at least enough to keep from crashing / giving them headaches so that we don't 'encourage' them to lose

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
I must have mistakenly added the message to the list. As my own comment stated, I didn't mean to subject the list to our discussion. I wrote: That said, I'm leaving this off the list because I don't like noise, so I'm not going to subject others to it. Joe Kelsey wrote: You don't bother

RE: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread James Blondin
- 3. The sending IP is using a broken mailer that's generating bare LFs, and this mailer regards the resulting temporary error code generated by qmail as 'Please try again straightaway'. I'd be particularly interested to know if anyone has come across the

Re: procmail/vpopmail

2000-07-24 Thread Ken Jones
Chester Chee wrote: Hi, Does anyone has an experience using procmail with vpopmail (virtual domain)? I am trying to setup procmail to filter "junk" mail to specific mail folder for vpopmail user. And it does not seem to work at all. My vpopmail users access their mail via IMAP instead of

[Fwd: Attitude]

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
Score: Apology for indirection: 1 Asanine comments: 1 Thanks everyone. I think this discussion has been very helpful to the Qmail cause ... really. Adam McKenna wrote: On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 12:37:55AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Probably our responses are by now somewhat cryptic,

Re: [Fwd: Attitude]

2000-07-24 Thread Scott D. Yelich
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Michael T. Babcock wrote: "Shut Up and Go Away" You're not gonna SUGA down yer comments, are ya? Why not pour a little SUGA on this thread? Scott

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Paul Jarc
"Michael T. Babcock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: VERP was proposed by DJB as a way to identify bounce recipients. VERP requires that each recipient have their own From: as well as To:. Not quite: it's envelope senders and recipients, not To: and From: fields. (So recipients can still receive

RE: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
"James Blondin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question I have is, and excuse my ignorance if it's something silly: why not just accept the bare linefeeds? From what I can understand in RFC822, there's nothing wrong with bare linefeeds in the body of the messages as long as the headers have all

Re: Want to know your potential multiple recipient savings?

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
This is what I've asked for too -- and been given "do it yourself". Best of luck. Frank Tegtmeyer wrote: In his measurements that indicated that qmail used less bandwidth in real-life situations than sendmail, Dan counted the DNS traffic due to sendmail. And I have never seen numbers,

Re: Qmail 1.03

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
"Bob Ross" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The questoin is I want to add the new domain righ now so that users will be able to collect mail sent to either domain to make the transiction easier. Do I just add the new domain in the same locations as the old domain under the /var/qmail/control files? to

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Nathan J. Mehl
In the immortal words of Michael T. Babcock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): No offense to DJB at all, but you have a very strange view of open sourced software if you don't believe in using patches. One last time. Qmail is not "open source software". Is not now. Has never been. In all probability

Re: log connections using tcpserver?

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Enrique Vadillo) wrote: I'm using qmail 1.03, i'd like to log every IP connection to my qmail smtp server, i've noticed that tcpserver is not logging this info for now, my tcpserver runs like follows: tcpserver -R -c 100 -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -v -u 7170 -g 1100 0 smtp

Re: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
The 'problem' as it relates to RFCs, not to Qmail's implementation, is probably the original question. Dave Sill wrote: "James Blondin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question I have is, and excuse my ignorance if it's something silly: why not just accept the bare linefeeds? From what I can

Re: Bouncesaying question

2000-07-24 Thread Tetsu Ushijima
Gavin Cameron writes: I have a ~alias/.qmail-bouncer file with the contents |bouncesaying 'This is an automated bounce message' exit 0 bouncesaying tries to execvp() the given program; it doesn't use a shell to run the program. So it can't run a shell built-in command. Instead of above,

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
I don't see how "If there is ever a compiler dumb enough to break void main(), I will happily advise everyone to use a different compiler" engenders any trust in someone's ability to write C code. Qmail is well written, sure. But void main() is and always has been wrong on 99% of platforms and

Re: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'problem' as it relates to RFCs, not to Qmail's implementation, is probably the original question. Probably? If you don't know, why bother guessing? I answered the question I thought was asked. If the person who asked the question isn't satisfied with that answer,

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Mark Mentovai
Michael T. Babcock wrote: I don't see how "If there is ever a compiler dumb enough to break void main(), I will happily advise everyone to use a different compiler" engenders any trust in someone's ability to write C code. Qmail is well written, sure. But void main() is and always has been

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see how "If there is ever a compiler dumb enough to break void main(), I will happily advise everyone to use a different compiler" engenders any trust in someone's ability to write C code. The proof of Dan's pudding is in the eating. Theoretically, "void main"

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
Russell Nelson wrote: Are these records in relays.orbs.org? How can you say that ORBS doesn't block them, then? Oh, I see, ORBS made up their own semantics for the DNS zone entries. Semantics which nobody else uses. That's very nice, but what about the people blocking using

Re: log connections using tcpserver?

2000-07-24 Thread Enrique Vadillo
I just restarted it with "tcpserver -v -R ..." and still nothing! I *only* get this in /var/log/syslog for mail delivery from a remote host: Jul 24 10:54:51 mail qmail: 964454091.551368 new msg 223505 Jul 24 10:54:51 mail qmail: 964454091.551743 info msg 223505: bytes 199 from [EMAIL

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Paul Jarc
Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Theoretically, "void main" is wrong. In practice, it works just fine. Personally, I could not care less. Theoretically, BIND's noncompliance with standards is wrong. In practice, it interoperates with most of the world (i.e., itself) just fine. But I care.

RE: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread James Blondin
Dave Sill wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'problem' as it relates to RFCs, not to Qmail's implementation, is probably the original question. Probably? If you don't know, why bother guessing? I answered the question I thought was asked. If the person who asked the question isn't

Re: MailDir

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
Philipp Steinkrüger wrote: Here is definitely an error - if you use vpopmail you cannot use the checkpassword provided by DJB. I found this in the qmail-FAQ, Question 5.3: how do i set up qmail-pop3d. So there is a problem with my startup script ? Just a poor assumption -- qmail-pop3d

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
You are free to tell me where I was supposed to agree to a license agreement before downloading it and/or where the LICENSE file is and/or where the license is embedded in C source files ... "Nathan J. Mehl" wrote: In the immortal words of Michael T. Babcock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): No offense

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
Dan's comment was that 'void main()' was done because 'int main()' caused compiler warnings. If so, int main() should now prevail because void main() causes the warnings. Dave Sill wrote: I don't see how "If there is ever a compiler dumb enough to break void main(), I will happily advise

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
Well said, considering how often DJB waxes eloquent about non-standards compliant and/or broken software. Paul Jarc wrote: Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Theoretically, "void main" is wrong. In practice, it works just fine. Personally, I could not care less. Theoretically, BIND's

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Paul Jarc
"Michael T. Babcock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Nathan J. Mehl" wrote: Qmail is not "open source software". Is not now. Has never been. In all probability never will be. You are free to tell me where I was supposed to agree to a license agreement before downloading it Those license

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Jarc) wrote: Theoretically, BIND's noncompliance with standards is wrong. In practice, it interoperates with most of the world (i.e., itself) just fine. But I care. I'll care about "void main" when it causes me problems. Until then, I've got real problems to worry

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Jul 00, at 12:55, Michael T. Babcock wrote: Dan's comment was that 'void main()' was done because 'int main()' caused compiler warnings. If so, int main() should now prevail because void main() causes the warnings. The newer djb sources

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are free to tell me where I was supposed to agree to a license agreement before downloading it and/or where the LICENSE file is and/or where the license is embedded in C source files ... qmail is copyrighted by DJB. You have no rights to copy or use it other than

RE: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
"James Blondin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The answer you gave was useful, Dave, but although I didn't realize it at first, my question is really relating to the RFCs more than to qmail's implementation. It's just that qmail's implementation of it led me to asking the question. In that case,

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
I was hoping for an admission of guilt rather than a fight. Petr Novotny wrote: However, what do you expect, Michael? qmail-1.04 which would only "fix" void main()?

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
I understand Copyright law as much as many long time free / open source software advocates do. That said, I have still seen nothing about the licensing of his software besides that he doesn't care about anything that isn't implicitly illegal. That said, in a case-law country, I can do pretty

Re: Yet another /var/spool/mail questions

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
"David Bouw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everything works nicely, but I would like to have all mail be delivered in the the /var/spool/mail directory instead of $HOME/$USER/Mailbox.. I read the INSTALL files, but I can't figure out something.. You run the command 'qmail-start ./Mailbox splogger

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Michael T. Babcock wrote: I was hoping for an admission of guilt rather than a fight. Why? Does it excite you or something? It all looks more to me like you've been trying to pick a fight. Vince. --

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Michael T. Babcock wrote: I understand Copyright law as much as many long time free / open source software advocates do. That said, I have still seen nothing about the licensing of his software besides that he doesn't care about anything that isn't implicitly illegal.

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Paul Jarc
"Michael T. Babcock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That said, I have still seen nothing about the licensing of his software besides that he doesn't care about anything that isn't implicitly illegal. See URL:http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html. paul

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, in a case-law country, I can do pretty much whatever I think is legal to do until he sues me. At that point, the courts decide. Most importantly, will he allow full-modification and redistribution with a new name (GPL style). IE, forking. It's clear from

Re: Want to know your potential multiple recipient savings?

2000-07-24 Thread markd
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 11:31:05AM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: This is what I've asked for too -- and been given "do it yourself". Almost certainly because: a) It's hard to arrange a reproducable set of deliveries that can be run on qmail and sendmail. Even a couple of hours

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Greg Owen
Greg Owen writes: Yup. If you have one qmail box forwarding to a second qmail box which is the mail store, you get this amplification. No, you don't get any amplification. You only get amplification if you can get someone else's machine to expend resources that you didn't.

Re: void main (no, not a long one)

2000-07-24 Thread Adam McKenna
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 01:10:45PM -0400, Michael T. Babcock wrote: I was hoping for an admission of guilt rather than a fight. It's nice to hope for things. However, the only thing you're going to get is membership in a lot of procmail filters. (I've just added you to mine.) --Adam

RE: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread James Blondin
Dave Sill wrote: In that case, qmail is not strictly RFC822 compliant in rejecting messages with bare linefeeds. Apparently Dan felt that the effort necessary to allow messages to contain LF's was more trouble than it was worth--especially considered that 822bis prohibits bare LF's. This

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Adam McKenna
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 09:06:43AM -0400, Brian Johnson wrote: yes, but most people only have enough money for so many cars, or can only drink so much pepsi or coke. an admin can use as many or as few of the lists as they want without any cost/limit. when you go to buy a car, you generally

Re: Yet another /var/spool/mail questions

2000-07-24 Thread Paul Jarc
Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The qmail delivery agent *only* delivers to mailboxes under the user's home directory. Well, qmail-local can deliver to maildirs or mboxes anywhere, but there's no way to describe a maildir or mbox in a user-dependent way except by using a path relative to

RE: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
"James Blondin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Sill wrote: In that case, qmail is not strictly RFC822 compliant in rejecting messages with bare linefeeds. Apparently Dan felt that the effort necessary to allow messages to contain LF's was more trouble than it was worth--especially considered

pop3d config, This user has no $HOME/Maildir

2000-07-24 Thread Bruce Edge
I'm getting this message from my pop3 clients. Could not login in to mail server. The server responded: This user has no $HOME/Maildir Well, the user does have a Maildir. I can see new mail piling up in Maildir/new. It's being started as follows: supervise /var/lock/qmail-pop3d

Re: Yet another /var/spool/mail questions

2000-07-24 Thread Dave Sill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Jarc) wrote: Well, qmail-local can deliver to maildirs or mboxes anywhere, but there's no way to describe a maildir or mbox in a user-dependent way except by using a path relative to the user's home directory. So /var/spool/mail/user can be used in users' .qmail files,

Re: licensing

2000-07-24 Thread Michael T. Babcock
The question is: does DJB prefer that one modify (should they wish to) 55% of the source code (say) and make this mod available as a patch, or simply rename it to "rmail" (or whatever) and mention that it is derived from Qmail, available at ... blah ... Vince Vielhaber wrote: I understand

pop3d config, This user has no $HOME/Maildir

2000-07-24 Thread Bruce Edge
Never mind, I found the problem, dnsfq is failing to return my hostname correctly. That said, any thoughts on this: [root@mail control]# /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03/dnsfq mail.sattel.com hard error [root@mail control]# [root@mail control]# hostname mail.sattel.com

Re: pop3d config, This user has no $HOME/Maildir

2000-07-24 Thread Petr Novotny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Jul 00, at 18:15, Bruce Edge wrote: That said, any thoughts on this: [root@mail control]# /usr/local/src/qmail-1.03/dnsfq mail.sattel.com hard error [snip] Name:mail.sattel.com Address: 192.168.1.100

Re: licensing

2000-07-24 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Michael T. Babcock wrote: The question is: does DJB prefer that one modify (should they wish to) 55% of the source code (say) and make this mod available as a patch, or simply rename it to "rmail" (or whatever) and mention that it is derived from Qmail, available at ...

RE: Solaris / DoS / Broken bare LF mailers / thousands of qmail-smtpdqmail-queue procs

2000-07-24 Thread James Blondin
Dave Sill wrote: "James Blondin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Sill wrote: In that case, qmail is not strictly RFC822 compliant in rejecting messages with bare linefeeds. Apparently Dan felt that the effort necessary to allow messages to contain LF's was more trouble than it was

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Charles Cazabon
Michael T. Babcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Copyright law as much as many long time free / open source software advocates do. Very few people understand copyright law in general. Free software advocates are not much better at it than others; RMS is a notable exception. That

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread OK 2 NET - André Paulsberg
Argh. Get that misconception *out your head*. People who disallow ORBS to scan them get listed as *untestable*, not as *open relays*. ORBS doesn't block. Are these records in relays.orbs.org? How can you say that ORBS doesn't block them, then? Oh, I see, ORBS made up their own semantics

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Russell Nelson
OK 2 NET - André Paulsberg writes: Never has the policies of ORBS have ANYTHING directly to do with SPAM, it is an validated Open Relay database which for obvious reason also contains those who deny/decive ORBS testing by blocking it. In other words, it's a good place to go to find open

Re: pop3d config, This user has no $HOME/Maildir

2000-07-24 Thread Chris Johnson
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 06:03:00PM -0700, Bruce Edge wrote: I'm getting this message from my pop3 clients. Could not login in to mail server. The server responded: This user has no $HOME/Maildir Well, the user does have a Maildir. I can see new mail piling up in Maildir/new.

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Russell Nelson
Greg Owen writes: Yes, there is amplification. It does work, I have tested it, what follows is a description of how it works. Yes, you have described the situation accurately, and yes, I was wrong. In the main, though, you've laid out yet another argument against secondary MX. --

RE: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread Greg Owen
In the main, though, you've laid out yet another argument against secondary MX. If so, it's the first anti-secondary-MX argument I've seen that didn't boil down to "incompetent machine administration causes problems," which is true with or without multiple MX - it's just easier for

Re: orbs.org accuses qmail of mailbomb relaying!

2000-07-24 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 23 July 2000 at 22:54:44 -0700 Eric Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some would argue that MAPS abused their position when they listed ORBS - they do have a competing service, do they not? And ORBS is both spamming and operating a spam support

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