[QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve
Hey folks, I don't know if you guys know or not there's a story on my homepage about Christopher Reeve, he died on Saturday from a heart attack. Some people only recognised him from Superman, but for SCI survivors his known for a more valuable reason. I know myself I will be praying for support to be given to his wife and son in the future Love Smurf xxx
[QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves dies at 52
Christopher Reeve's died of heart failure after falling into a coma on Saturday. I just saw it on the early show and no more info. The said it happened on Monday. So I guess it happened early this morning. How sad. Only 52 years ols. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself"
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bush plays the game of being Christian
In a message dated 11/10/2004 00:18:13 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aahh, leaving it all up to the female! ? Being the devils' advocate here.NOT having sex is the best form of birth control as us 'oldies but goodies'know. We also know all about precautions. But tell that to two 15 yearolds. Obviously what is out there is not working. Parents do not take thetime to keep track of their kids, there is no discipline, no routine foryoung kids--such as a bedtime, meals cooked "at home", no positive extraactivities after school. Parents do not care.My son has a child out of wedlock now after shacking up for 2-3 years with amuch younger girl."Her" parents let an 18 year old girl move out of the house, for the "first"time, in with a guy 6 years older than she was. Three years later as theywere planning on going their own ways, she comes up pregnant. I have mether. She has ambition, is taking college courses mostly on line now, butdoes go to a claqss on campus. When she was here a couple of years ago--myson lives 2c states away--she came right out and said she wanted kids and ahouse, picket fence etc. My son has been a cook in a Country Kitchen for 4years and not making enough money to take care of himself much less a child!They have since moved closer to the colleges and he has a better job, but isstill a cook at a bar/grill and has no idea what to do as a career. Theyare taking advantage of the "single mother" thing for school funds and babyfood and medical care for the baby. Her parents have bought most of all thetoys and baby bed/play pen and all the newer things available for babiesthese days. I don't know what my son's father has done, don't want to know.I cannot afford hardly anything. They did bring him down here for me tosee, I paid for gas, they stayed at my mother's. He is a doll! But thatdoes not undo the deed. It has given my son a kick in the behind as to whatit takes to support a family, but as long as she recieves money and the babygets medical care, he is not too concerned. Somehow they have worked out aschedule where they do not need daycare.Well so much for venting and a little bit of opinion.take care,Dana and Ilsa Very true about trying to tell a couple of 15year olds about protection!!! Over here in the UK, in my area there's a new scheme running about trying to tell the 13-16yr olds the safetys of having sex. The kids are given virtual babies to look after on weekends, and the babies do everything that a real baby would do apart from move. There is a mini computer inside the babies to tell the experts how well they've done. It moniters things like how many times the head was able to fall backwards, how long it took for the parent to stop the baby crying, weather it was fed/nappy changed etc. They are a fantastic idea, and the amount of kids that's decided that they now don't want kids at all! It's just a shame that they aren't taught pratically about STI's and the consequences of them. They are probably more dangerous that falling pregnant! It would probably help if they were taught the financial side of having a baby as well. Are there any schemes like that running in the states? Love Smurf xxx
Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards On 10/10/04 5:21 PM, Mark Felling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boyd, I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few editions... snip Am I a student of International relations, specific to international cultural interactions conflicts, international economic interactions, who has traveled the world, lived abroad, and speaks a number of languages? Yes. However, by the false, deductive logic in your previous statement Boyd, I guess I must be a Communist! Chuckle! Im so awed by your eminence in the field of stratospheric academia, and the breadth of linguistic skills facilitating your discourse among the intelligentsia both foreign and domestic, it is with tremulous trepidation that I invite attention to your: He apparently believes treatments developed that are contaminated with mouse cells are sufficient for you and I. Really now, even an illiterate like me remembers that proper diagramming of this simple sentence requires your I to be a me. However, you did get the part about being a Communist right. Please be original rather then mimicking Internet spewed garbage... Well, its a bit difficult to be original when one recites the Pledge of Allegiance or the Lords Prayer, cause someone almost as smart and educated as you, gave them to us to embrace and learn. But Im willing to concede your own demonstrated expertise in spewed garbage. However I ask you, where is the logic in your statement: as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq? How do increased casualties in Iraq demonstrate al-Qa'ida' support for Kerry/Edwards? The logic of that statement is ludicrous and nonexistent. Looks to me as though such an highly an educated feller (home-spun for fellow), like you shouldnt have too much trouble figuring that out. Bush is whipping their asses, and they figure any change would be for the better. And you know what? Theyre right. snipPlease, if you want to argue politics, focus on real issues each candidate takes a specific stance on, such as stem cell research. If I want to argue politics? Thats the most ludicrous bleat yet! I dont know you from Adam (Im kinda particular). Until your God-Almighty, holier-than-thou excoriation of my post, (the thrust of which I now champion even stronger), I didnt know you were alive. So who the hell are you to dictate my choice of subject matter on this list? You wanna write about stem research, have at it. But dont presume to dictate to others on this list, what they should or should not write about. And while Im on the subject, your little homely: snipI wonder if his opinion would change if one of his drunken daughters broke her knack during one of her binges? Knack? For what? Id prefer to consider that you intended knack as simply the way such an highly educated a scholar as yourself describes an innate ability or talent. Butcha know what? Surely you are not so crass as to meant necks. But you must have, cause such highly-educated and cultured-paragons of culture, class and academe, dont misspell simple words. If you did intend necks, somebody should kick your highly educated, crass ass! Yet, did I state that I necessarily support Kerry? No. That my Democrat? No. Mark Felling That my Democratwhat? Which of your exalted institutions of learning taught you that kind of mutilated gibberish? Sheeeze! But youre one bizarre dude, Felling. Boyd (Undereducated-Uncouth and underpaid-but a proud and loving dad; granddad; great-granddad, and at a combined 405lbs, me and powered wheelchair Id run slap over if ever you speculated breaking their necks. -- Since the Kerry/Edwards ticket is courted by al-Qa'ida', as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq, and since that ticket is also supported by: Osama bin Laden Saddam Hussein Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi Kim Jong-Il Mohammad Khatami Moammar al-Ghadafi Hu Jingtao Jacques Chirac Gerhard Schroeder Kofi Annan, AND the Communist Party, USA, stating: We have refrained from fielding our own candidate so as not to distract from the main effort of defeating Bush and the ultra-right extremist agenda. We must count our great good fortune, that except for members of the Communist Party, none of the listed entities enjoy our privilege of casting a ballot directly. The CPUSA's collective anti-American posture makes a mockery of their citizenship. We need to keep President Bush in the oval office! Boyd
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bush plays the game of being Christian
Well, kids and single women are having babies and living off of the system. They get money to raise the baby, money off of rent, food stamps, and other things they may be eligible for. It is a shame. I think those people should be forced to give their babies up for adoption or after having a couple they should. So many of these women have 4,5 or more kids. I know a woman from back home that has 7 and doesn't work because she gets so much help. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bush plays the game of being Christian In a message dated 11/10/2004 00:18:13 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Aahh, leaving it all up to the female! ? Being the devils' advocate here.NOT having sex is the best form of birth control as us 'oldies but goodies'know. We also know all about precautions. But tell that to two 15 yearolds. Obviously what is out there is not working. Parents do not take thetime to keep track of their kids, there is no discipline, no routine foryoung kids--such as a bedtime, meals cooked "at home", no positive extraactivities after school. Parents do not care.My son has a child out of wedlock now after shacking up for 2-3 years with amuch younger girl."Her" parents let an 18 year old girl move out of the house, for the "first"time, in with a guy 6 years older than she was. Three years later as theywere planning on going their own ways, she comes up pregnant. I have mether. She has ambition, is taking college courses mostly on line now, butdoes go to a claqss on campus. When she was here a couple of years ago--myson lives 2c states away--she came right out and said she wanted kids and ahouse, picket fence etc. My son has been a cook in a Country Kitchen for 4years and not making enough money to take care of himself much less a child!They have since moved closer to the colleges and he has a better job, but isstill a cook at a bar/grill and has no idea what to do as a career. Theyare taking advantage of the "single mother" thing for school funds and babyfood and medical care for the baby. Her parents have bought most of all thetoys and baby bed/play pen and all the newer things available for babiesthese days. I don't know what my son's father has done, don't want to know.I cannot afford hardly anything. They did bring him down here for me tosee, I paid for gas, they stayed at my mother's. He is a doll! But thatdoes not undo the deed. It has given my son a kick in the behind as to whatit takes to support a family, but as long as she recieves money and the babygets medical care, he is not too concerned. Somehow they have worked out aschedule where they do not need daycare.Well so much for venting and a little bit of opinion.take care,Dana and Ilsa Very true about trying to tell a couple of 15year olds about protection!!! Over here in the UK, in my area there's a new scheme running about trying to tell the 13-16yr olds the safetys of having sex. The kids are given virtual babies to look after on weekends, and the babies do everything that a real baby would do apart from move. There is a mini computer inside the babies to tell the experts how well they've done. It moniters things like how many times the head was able to fall backwards, how long it took for the parent to stop the baby crying, weather it was fed/nappy changed etc. They are a fantastic idea, and the amount of kids that's decided that they now don't want kids at all! It's just a shame that they aren't taught pratically about STI's and the consequences of them. They are probably more dangerous that falling pregnant! It would probably help if they were taught the financial side of having a baby as well. Are there any schemes like that running in the states? Love Smurf xxx
Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve
He said he wanted to walk before the age of 55. Well, for those who "believe" he's walking now.
[QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve- Final Walk With God
Thanks for the head up, I just heard about it this morning. I'm sorry for his family's loss, but know that he is in a better place. His memory is still alive and let's hope that his mission will not be lost in death. W In a message dated 10/11/04 3:57:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey folks, I don't know if you guys know or not there's a story on my homepage about Christopher Reeve, he died on Saturday from a heart attack. Some people only recognised him from Superman, but for SCI survivors his known for a more valuable reason. I know myself I will be praying for support to be given to his wife and son in the future Love Smurf xxx
Re: [QUAD-L] Fw: Internal Shakes
Val writes: Does anyone ever experience what I call internal shakes? During thesummer when it is warm out I do not get the internal shakes however when dampness or cold hits even the slightest I get internal shakes. My skin will bewarm but inside I am shivering and my teeth are clenched. Is there anything I can take for this besides a heating blanket, I have heating blankets all over, around my neck and everywhere. I was wondering if some type of food would stop the shakes? Val Cleroux Communication is the key to success Val, if I get to where my teeth arechattering or clenched in the summerI know my temp is on the rise. Although, I not sure I've ever gotten the internal shakes...just for me I'mcold and shivering. My way of breaking it is toweling up/coving up and taking Tylenol. And just wait. Well, that's if I know it's not from anything else like disreflexia (sp)from something. Keith/NJ/c4c5
[QUAD-L] This is just wrong
TV Group to Show Anti- Kerry Film on 62 Stations x-tad-biggerBy JIM RUTENBERG /x-tad-bigger inline: u.gifp to 62 television stations owned or managed by the Sinclair Broadcasting Group - many of them in swing states - will show a documentary highly critical of Senator John Kerry's antiwar activities 30 years ago within the next two weeks, Sinclair officials said yesterday. Those officials said the documentary would pre-empt regular night programming, including prime time, on its stations, which include affiliates for all six of the major broadcast networks in the swing states of Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Nevada and Pennsylvania. Called Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal, the documentary features Vietnam veterans who say their Vietnamese captors used Mr. Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony, in which he recounted stories of American atrocities, prolonging their torture and betraying and demoralizing them. Similar claims were made by prisoners of war in a commercial that ran during the summer from an anti-Kerry veterans group, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Two of the former prisoners who appeared in the Swift Boat advertisement were interviewed for the movie, including Ken Cordier, who had to resign as a volunteer in the Bush campaign after the advertisement came out. Sinclair's plan to show the documentary was first made public by The Los Angeles Times on Saturday. Mark Hyman, Sinclair's vice president for corporate relations, who doubles as a conservative commentator on its news stations, said the film would be shown because Sinclair deemed it newsworthy. Clearly John Kerry has made his Vietnam service the foundation of his presidential run; this is an issue that is certainly topical, he said. Asked what defined something as newsworthy, Mr. Hyman said, In that it hasn't been out in the marketplace, and the news marketplace. Because Sinclair is defining the documentary - which will run commercial free - as news, it is unclear if it will be required by federal regulations to provide Mr. Kerry's campaign with equal time to respond. But acknowledging that news standards call for fairness, Mr. Hyman said an invitation has been extended to Mr. Kerry to respond after the documentary is shown. There are certainly serious allegations that are leveled; we would very much like to get his response, he said. Asked if Sinclair would consider running a documentary of similar length either lauding Mr. Kerry, responding to the charges in Stolen Honor or criticizing Mr. Bush, Mr. Hyman said, We'd just have to take a look at it. Aides to Mr. Kerry said he would not accept Sinclair's invitation. It's hard to take an offer seriously from a group that is hellbent on doing anything to help elect President Bush even if that means violating basic journalism standards, said Chad Clanton, a Kerry spokesman. Sinclair's plans put Mr. Kerry's campaign in an awkward position similar to the one in which it found itself in August, when the Swift Boat group first began running commercials against him containing unsubstantiated charges that he lied to get his war medals. Mr. Kerry's aides at first held back from responding, so as not to give the group and its charges more attention - a decision that some Kerry aides now acknowledge cost him in public opinion polls. Mr. Clanton said Mr. Kerry's campaign would call on supporters to stage advertiser boycotts and demonstrations against Sinclair's stations. A group of Democratic senators, including Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and Dianne Feinstein of California, readied a letter calling for the Federal Communications Commission to investigate the move, arguing that the documentary was not news but a prolonged political advertisement from Mr. Bush and, as such, violated fairness rules. Andrew Jay Schwartzman, president of the Media Access Project, an advocacy group promoting greater media regulation, said he did not think the film would qualify for a news exemption. And, he said, even if it did fall under equal time provisions, those are based on candidate appearances and in this case, since it is Mr. Kerry who appears, albeit disparagingly, stations would be required to show Mr. Bush or possibly the independent candidate Ralph Nader, if they requested it. Sinclair was already a galvanizing force for Democrats. The political donations of its executives have gone overwhelmingly to Republicans, according to a review of donations on Politicalmoneyline.com. In April Sinclair refused to run an episode of Nightline on its stations in which the anchor Ted Koppel spent the entire program reading the names of American soldiers killed in Iraq. Stolen Honor was produced by Carlton Sherwood, formerly a reporter with The Washington Times. His Web site says he received no money from any political party or campaign but got initial funding from Pennsylvania veterans. The documentary has been distributed by mail order and via streaming Internet connections. Mr. Hyman said Sinclair was not
Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve
A thank God for the life of Christopher Reeves for what he did in helping others.My problem is that I never heard him put his hope in the Lord. That's where you should have been.I will not judge whether he is walking . now are not. I only know that I never heard him witness to the glory of God.I have lived 48 years as a quadriplegic, C 3 --5. My hope is placed in Jesus Christ. I believe that believers will all receivea new body after this one dies.I believe that we are created to give glory to God with our lives. God bless all the quadriplegics in our group at Quad L..Sincerely , Jimmy In a message dated 10/11/2004 9:01:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: River He said he wanted to walk before the age of 55. Well, for those who "believe" he's walking now.
[QUAD-L] More about Sinclair Broadcasting
Lest we forget, SInclair is the same network that did the following: SINCLAIR REFUSES TO AIR NIGHTLINE SPECIAL: On April 30th, ABC's Nightline will pay tribute to U.S. troops killed in Iraq by airing a 40 minute special the names of the fallen will be read by anchor Ted Koppel as their photographs appear on screen. But Sinclair Broadcast Group the country's largest owner of TV stations will not allow its ABC affiliates to air the show. In a statement, Sinclair claims the special appears to be motivated by a political agenda designed to undermine the efforts of the United States in Iraq. While Sinclair claims it is pre-empting Nightline because it is an attempt to influence public opinion, the record shows that Sinclair media has repeatedly leveraged its control over the airwaves to manipulate public opinion in favor of President Bush's right-wing agenda. SINCLAIR REQUIRES JOURNALISTS TO READ PRO-BUSH STATEMENTS: In September 2001, Sinclair Broadcasting required its affiliates to air messages conveying full support for the Bush administration. At a Baltimore affiliate, WBFF officials required news and sports anchors, even a weather forecaster, to read the messages, which included statements such as [the station] wants you to know that we stand 100% behind our President. Several WBFF staffers objected on the grounds that reading the statements would erode their reputations as objective journalists because it made them appear to be endorsing specific government actions. SINCLAIR REFUSES TO AIR AD HIGHLIGHTING 2003 BUSH ERROR: In July 2003, Sinclair Broadcasting refused to allow WMSN TV its FOX affiliate in Madison, WI to air a DNC advertisement that featured a clip of President Bush making the false claim Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa in his 2003 State of the Union Address. Three other Madison stations, including ABC, NBC and CBS, readily agreed to air the ad. The Madison CBS affiliate, WISC, said the advertisement was no worse than any other political ad. SINCLAIR PRODUCES CENTRALIZED RIGHT-WING CONTENT FOR 'LOCAL STATIONS': In a controversial business practice, Sinclair Broadcasting has fired much of the staff for the local affiliates it owns, instead producing content for its local stations from a central facility outside Baltimore which it then airs on local news broadcasts. The centralized content features nightly commentary by Sinclair corporate communications chief Mark Hyman. Hyman regularly refers to the French as cheese-eating surrender monkeys, the so-called liberal media as the hate-America crowd, and progressives as the lonely left On one recent commentary, Hyman called members of Congress who voted against a recent resolution affirming the righteousness of the Iraq war unpatriotic politicians who hate our military. You can see all of Hyman's commentaries this month HERE. (Read more from American Progress about the problems of media consolidation.) SINCLAIR AIRS FAKE NEWS BROADCASTS PRODUCED BY BUSH ADMINISTRATION: In March, it was discovered that the Bush Administration was producing television news stories, written and paid for by the government, which have the appearance of legitimate news segments delivered by independent reporters, and distributing them to local newscasts as a way of promoting administration policies including its ill-conceived Medicare prescription drug law. On the broadcasts, a public relations professional named Karen Ryan pretended to be a reporter. Among the stations which aired the administration propaganda as news: WPGH in Pittsburgh the Sinclair Broadcasting station that fired much of its news staff in favor of feeds from a centralized newsroom in Baltimore. SINCLAIR EXECUTIVES MAJOR BUSH CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS: Sinclair executives have contributed more than $16,500 to President Bush since 2000. This year, Sinclair CEO David Smith gave President Bush the maximum $2000 contribution. Before soft money contributions became illegal, Sinclair Broadcasting gave more than $130,000 to the president's political allies but no money to his opponents.
Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve
Thiswas shocking news to wake up to and very sad day for scipeople. I just couldn't believe it. I hope he's walking or whateveryou do in the after like. A true hero. Mark ---Original Message--- From: River Wolfe Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:01:13 AM To: quad Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve I am so sad. I've been crying off and on all morning. Both me and my brother are in a wheelchair, Superman put a face to our plight. Superman was controversial in the disability community immediately after his accident, when he demanded that he would walk again. Many of us, me included, were upset that he had given up a great chance to represent us and our situations, the need for care not cure. Superman stepped up to the plate and did just that. HE did more for our cause and research than anyone could ever have done. Superman spent every waking hour fighting for our recognition and our needs. Every-time we complain or whine, we should think of him and do action in his honor. A true hero.River He said he wanted to walk before the age of 55. Well, for those who "believe" he's walking now. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [QUAD-L] Fw: Internal Shakes
Hi Val, I am glad to find a soul mate. I am 47 residing in a body that pictures a more aged person. Not to mention that I sit all day, I have tried to explain the coldness that I feel inside and out. All summer I enjoyed the southern temperture and no one could believe me. When I would come into the air conditioned house, I would go into a chill and would have to be covered immediately. When I get up every day I wear I shawl that I got at Wal-mart that I keep around my shoulders that I can completely cover up my arms when I need to in the house, in the yard, and especially, in the car, and the GROCERY STORE, boy do I freeze there.Its just something you cannot explain. Something else that has changed for me is my appetite and the type if food that I eat. Don't get the wrong idea here. I need to loose a load of weight, so starving is not going on here. Its mostly my husband and me here now, and we have a freezer full of summer fresh vegetables and when I make a choice it will usually be something from there. I have started not wanting to eat at "correct" meal time and eating what we would consider or "usual" meals. We are doing a snack or a mini meal, just cannot decide on what sound "good" to me/ Kathy in Mississippi
Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
You're right Stacy and I bet any one of us wouldgladly give our life up ifit would put anendto sci and all the other diseases associated with stem cells. Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stacy Harim Date: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:21:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jim Lubin Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards If those lines aren't used ever then what good is it even though it is fertilized? It's not being used and most of them wont be. They just stay frozen forever? What kind of life is that for an embryo?Why not use them to helpfor research andthen the can potentially make lives better for people with many disabilities. It may not help youor meor any of us for that matter, but what about future generations? A fertilized embryothat would be frozen forever if not used for research or more people living lives in misery. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Jim Lubin To: Stacy Harim ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Bush did not ban stem cell research! He limited federal funding of "embryonic" stem cells to those few lines that existed before August 9, 2001. States can fund embryonic stem cell research on lines that are not within the federal guidelines all they want. Last year the NIH funded $190 million in "adult" stem cell research.If one believes that a human embryo is the beginning of a human life, even if it is just a few microscopic cells, then how can that person justify destroying it? Personally, I haven't quit decided based on the information I have read. So until I'm more certain I have no problem limiting embryonic stem cell research and focusing funding on adult stem cells.JimAt 06:44 PM 10/10/2004, Stacy Harim wrote: I agree Mark, then what happens if by some miracle they find a major advancement with the couple of crappy lines they have left. Will Bush go ahead and let the use the remaining lines that are not being used? It doesn't sound like it because he doesn't agree with it at all.Stacy"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Mark Felling To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Boyd, I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few editions... However I ask you, where is the logic in your statement: "as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq"? How do increased casualties in Iraq demonstrate al-Qa'ida' support for Kerry/Edwards? The logic of that statement is ludicrous and nonexistent. Further, the logic saying that if the Communist Party does not support Bush (which I question the validity of such an official statement having been made), then they must support Kerry is just as silly. That is like saying if A does not equal B, then B must equal C. This is not a form of deduction or even induction, but rather one of the most common examples of false logic. (Look it up in any academic resource considering the topic of deduction) Please, if you want to argue politics, focus on real issues each candidate takes a specific stance on, such as stem cell research. (Note, so far I have not given an opinion or support for one side or the other) however if you watched the debate last night, Bush stated that he supported stem cell research but felt that the existing stem cell lines "he made available" were sufficient for scientific research. He believes these lines contaminated with mouse cells are "sufficient?!" (he never contested the fact the lines were contaminated with mouse cells thus concedes that fact). He apparently believes treatments developed that are contaminated with mouse cells are "sufficient" for you and I. Apparently he is so arrogant that he believes he knows more than the scientists who adamantly emphasize that their hands are tied with this restriction combined with the contamination. I wonder if his opinion would change if one of his drunken daughters broke her knack during one of her binges? It is true that I despise Bush, his ignorance of the world and international relations, his misconception for economics, his lack of vision for anything his father did not first try to push, etc. the only thing I support about him is his support for adoption as an alternative for late term, third trimester, abortions. Yet, did I state that I necessarily support Kerry? No. That my Democrat? No. Am I a student of international relations, specific to international cultural interactions conflicts, international economic
Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve
In a message dated 11/10/2004 15:01:53 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Every-time we complain or whine, we should think of him and do action in his honor. A true hero.River Well said River, I think he touched everyones life weather they were affected by paralysis or not. He will always be remembered for putting a positive face towards SCI survivors - something that no one or nothing can take away from us Love Smurf xxx
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Bush plays the game of being Christian
In a message dated 11/10/2004 14:23:33 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, kids and single women are having babies and living off of the system. They get money to raise the baby, money off of rent, food stamps, and other things they may be eligible for. It is a shame. I think those people should be forced to give their babies up for adoption or after having a couple they should. So many of these women have 4,5 or more kids. I know a woman from back home that has 7 and doesn't work because she gets so much help. Stacy Obviously I can't speak for what it's like out in the states, but here in the uk it works out that your better of for receiving benefits right, left and centre than what you are to go out and earn a good days living. It's one thing if you physically can't, it's another thing to use pregnancy as an excuse not to do, which is something that someone I know use to do. Love Smurf xxx
Re: [QUAD-L] shoes
Stacy I bought this shoe except mine have velcro straps instead of shoe strings. http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/1623837/c/13918.html Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stacy Harim Date: Saturday, October 09, 2004 4:31:47 PM To: Quad-List Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] shoes Great, thanks. Which ones did you order that do well for your feet. That is my problem. I can get to a shoe store, I need to know what kind are working for everyone that has pressure sore problems like I do. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: QuadPirate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] shoes Here's an awesome source for shoes and free shipping. I've ordered2 pair of shoes so far and they showed up within 3 days of purchase I liked that. http://www.zappos.com/welcome3.zhtml?1009 Mark ---Original Message--- From: Stacy Harim Date: Saturday, October 09, 2004 2:07:03 PM To: Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] shoes I have gone to foot management here and they are supposed to have shoes that are hard to find and good for people that have feet issues with swelling and what not. I have a probblem with the plastic piece in the heel called a heel connector. I need to find shoes with a soft heel connector or none at all. Anyone have any ideas? I have bought 4 pairs of shoes, but still wearing the ones I have had for 3 and 1/2 years. My first shoes post sci and now the material is bunched up and hindering the healing process. Dana, you had sent me a site or two and I have since changed my browser and lost all of my favorites and that's where those websites were. Would you happen to still have it? It is much appreciated. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[QUAD-L] Re:Go ahead yell
x-tad-smallerI may be in the minority, but I don't remember one interview that he advocated putting money into research for the existing quads as far as the betterment of our care. /x-tad-smaller x-tad-smallerEvery time I saw him interviewed, it was a cure for him and I applaud him for that./x-tad-smaller HELLO Go here and eat your words: http://www.christopherreeve.org/qlgrants/qlgrantsmain.cfm http://www.paralysis.org/ Superman's death shows how paralysis equalizes all of us. In spite of all of his resources and care, he died of what all of us fear, infection and a pressure sore that creates havoc with our body. River
Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Christopher Reeve - Religion
I'm so sorry if I offended you. I did not question the religious intentions of Christopher Reeves. He was a great person and helped many people including myself. All I said , is that I never heard him say that if he was a Christian are not .I pray that God will give comfort to all those that loved him.Including you. I also pray that God will bless the mission that Christopher Reeves started during his lifetime for spinal Cord injury.I am not a religious fanatic, I only try to help others with the love of Jesus Christ. God bless you. I pray that God will help man find a cure for all of us quadriplegics all around the world.Sincerely Jimmy http://www.youens.com/mccoy/Default.aspIn a message dated 10/11/2004 10:24:47 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: River... It is not worth inquiring as to the intentions of religious fanatics who would question the religious intentions of a universally acknowledged wonderful person on the day of their passing. It speaks for itself. Just more "Jackass Tracks." Steve -Original Message-From: River Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:44 AMTo: quadSubject: [QUAD-L] Re: Christopher Reeve ???River My problem is that I never heard him put his hope in the Lord. That's where you should have been.I will not judge whether he is walking . now are not. I only know that I never heard him witness to the glory of God. Jimmy
RE: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now
GA... I share virtually all of your sentiments below, though Reeve did address care issues in the last few years, likely the result of realizing the cure is still many years away. Reeve's efforts and celebrity have bought more money and interest to SCI research than could have been accomplished by dozens of non-celebrities working full time. I have little doubt that there will be future beneficiaries of current research on cures for SCI. Do I believe those of us with long term injuries will be among this group of beneficiaries? Probably not... That stated, can it not be mutually acceptable for you and I to live and appreciate life as though there will never be a cure, and have others like Reeve live their lives in search of a cure which may or may not benefit everyone with an SCI? If yes, why would anyone yell at you? If no, why not? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now I am sorry for his family's loss, sorry for his untimely accident and death. I may be in the minority, but I don't remember one interview that he advocated putting money into research for the existing quads as far as the betterment of our care. Every time I saw him interviewed, it was a cure for him and I applaud him for that. The truth is that someday there may be a cure, but I am not sitting around focusing on that cure. I am living my life to the fullest and enjoying all the things I can. I enjoy the blue sky, the turning of the leaves in autumn, the first crocus flowers to appear in spring, the big beautiful Monarch Butterfly Yes, if I would have unlimited funds, I may have started therapy 3-4 hours per day, but look what he missed out on. OK, go aheadYELL! GA
[QUAD-L] Christopher Reed
I feel so bad that Christopher died, and the timing is so sad. He has a bill that will provide 300 million dollars for spinal cord injury coming up. Also, he was very involved in stem cell research and politics. Whatever we all believe on this list politically,I think we can all agree that research is the key to a cure and hopefully a cure is around the corner. Meredith
[QUAD-L] Christopher Reed- Who Will Follow In His Tracks
He also had a new movie scheduled to be released this month and was ready to tour the nation in support of his efforts. W In a message dated 10/11/04 11:18:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I feel so bad that Christopher died, and the timing is so sad. He has a bill that will provide 300 million dollars for spinal cord injury coming up. Also, he was very involved in stem cell research and politics. Whatever we all believe on this list politically,I think we can all agree that research is the key to a cure and hopefully a cure is around the corner. Meredith
Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now
You of course have a right to that opinion, but I think it not quite right. Mr. Reeve probably did more after becoming a quad than all the rest of us here on this List. He traveled the world speaking, he went to Hollywood events and parties. I only wish I could go do some of the things he did. Sure having his money helps, but we should be happy for him, not jealous. Not that you are, but I've heard others complain about him, not for what he did or did not do, but purely that it was nor fair. Greg - Original Message - Yes, if I would have unlimited funds, I may have started therapy 3-4 hours per day, but look what he missed out on.
RE: [QUAD-L] human embryos
At 09:00 PM 10/10/2004, Mark Felling wrote: I believe it would be immoral to create more embryos for the research. In fact, if you want to attack the morality of the situation you must attack the practices of the fertility clinics. Focus on the problem at its source not the results. Actually I don't agree with in-vitro fertilization either. If a couple cannot have a baby naturally they can adopt a unwanted baby that otherwise would have been aborted. If you have a leaky pipe, you don't just keep mopping up the puddle but a patch the leak. And it is too bad that this excess of embryos were created in the first place, but they do exist now. They have already been created, and if society is not going to use them for research since they are considered the beginning of human life, then would not be murder simply to destroy them all? yes So the only moral solution along these lines would be to grow all these embryos to full term human babies and on into adults. Of course, now you have a problem of the parents all these embryos in the fertility clinics came from... yes, that's why many of the existing frozen embryos have been given to other couples to use for IVF. Like you said, it is the only moral solution. Throwing them away or destroying them in experimental research (however noble the potential outcome may be) are not the only options for embryos that have already been created. Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bothell, WA, USA http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org Transverse Myelitis Association: http://www.myelitis.org/HowToHelp
Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve/Go ahead yell at me now
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now I won't yell at you, however, each person must live their life to their fullest not yours. I believe that Christopher did as much for the care of quadriplegics and spinal cord injuries as he did for the cure. He did this simply by bringing it to the attention of the media and many other people. In my opinion he was a true hero and will be sadly missed by all, especially me. Enough said. Gale :-( [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now I am sorry for his family's loss, sorry for his untimely accident and death. I may be in the minority, but I don't remember one interview that he advocated putting money into research for the existing quads as far as the betterment of our care. Every time I saw him interviewed, it was "a cure for him" and I applaud him for that. The truth is that someday there may be a cure, but I am not sitting around focusing on that cure. I am living my life to the fullest and enjoying all the things I can. I enjoy the blue sky, the turning of the leaves in autumn, the first crocus flowers to appear in spring, the big beautiful Monarch Butterfly Yes, if I would have unlimited funds, I may have started therapy 3-4 hours per day, but look what he missed out on. OK, go aheadYELL! GA This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm
[QUAD-L] RE: Bush plays the game of being.....
Not all single women have children just to receive a welfare check every month. Do you think it is fun to live like that? There are many women who work full time jobs, and have to have government assistance to survive. You should not have to give up your child because you are financially unstable. By the time I was 19, I had three children. I worked two full time jobs, but still couldn't make it. I had food stamps, and lowered rent, but I deserved my children just as much as a woman who was married and financially stable. And for the women who don't work, many times you can't win for losing. If you work, you do not earn enough to to raise a family, and if you apply for benefits, you don't receive enough assistance to even help make a difference. By the time you add child care for when you do go to work, you still have nothing. If you quit your job, you are then eligible for more assistance, and you can live better than if you were working. It is no way to live, but you do what you have to do to survive. Now for those women who don't even try to better themselves or the lives for their children, is unexceptable. But they should not have to adopt out their children. Until you have had to live in the system and raise children, you should not judge whether they deserve to have and keep their children. You could one day have to depend on food stamps, welfare, and lowered rent to raise your kids, because you aren't guaranteed a stable life. Would it be fair to say that a mother who is disabled should have to adopt out their child? No! It is a struggle depending on the government to raise your family, but it doesn't make you any less deserving of a family, a bad mom, or any less of a person. If anything needs to change, it is the way the system works. Better assistance should be available for those mothers who are working, that way they can get on their feet, become stable, and come out of the system and poverty. For the mothers who did not want to work, they would have to become employed in order to best utilize their resources, and would see that working is more beneificial than welfare. The welfare system makes it impossible to get back on your feet when you have hit rock bottom. As far as teenage pregnancy, yes, it is irresponsible. We have all made decisions as teens that were not responsible, but we are only human. Who are we to judge one another anyway? I do believe that we all have our flaws!!! Well, kids and single women are having babies and living off of the system. They get money to raise the baby, money off of rent, food stamps, and other things they may be eligible for. It is a shame. I think those people should be forced to give their babies up for adoption or after having a couple they should. So many of these women have 4,5 or more kids. I know a woman from back home that has 7 and doesn't work because she gets so much help. Stacy inline: Desk Of .jpg
RE: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now
Title: Message Reeve looked progressively worse in the last few years of his life. I wonder if he was trying any experimental therapies, i.e. drugs or otherwise, that may have unintentionally shortened his life. Steve -Original Message-From: Jim Lubin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:15 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me nowAt 08:25 AM 10/11/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, if I would have unlimited funds, I may have started therapy 3-4 hours per day, but look what he missed out on. Even though he didn't have the funding problems most of us face, it seems to me that he wasn't receiving very good care with all the health problems he had. Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bothell, WA, USA http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org Transverse Myelitis Association: http://www.myelitis.org/HowToHelp
RE: [QUAD-L] human embryos
They use 5 embryos per personto make sure they have success so why is it ok to destroy these embryos trying to have a successful pregnancy but if you use them for other scientific research and remember they destroyed many researching invitro fertilization before it was perfected but nobody said a word about it but now because they want to use them for stem cell research it's unethical. Something stinks here! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:55:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] human embryos At 09:00 PM 10/10/2004, Mark Felling wrote: I believe it would be immoral to create more embryos for the research. In fact, if you want to attack the morality of the situation you must attack the practices of the fertility clinics. Focus on the problem at its source not the results. Actually I don't agree with in-vitro fertilization either. If a couple cannot have a baby naturally they can adopt a unwanted baby that otherwise would have been aborted. If you have a leaky pipe, you don't just keep mopping up the puddle but a patch the leak. And it is too bad that this excess of embryos were created in the first place, but they do exist now. They have already been created, and if society is not going to use them for research since they are considered the beginning of human life, then would not be murder simply to destroy them all? yes So the only moral solution along these lines would be to grow all these embryos to full term human babies and on into adults. Of course, now you have a problem of the parents all these embryos in the fertility clinics came from...yes, that's why many of the existing frozen embryos have been given to other couples to use for IVF. Like you said, it is the only moral solution. Throwing them away or destroying them in experimental research (however noble the potential outcome may be) are not the only options for embryos that have already been created. Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bothell, WA, USA http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.orgTransverse Myelitis Association: http://www.myelitis.org/HowToHelp IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
I'm surprised you feel that way Jim, it's not even a second thought to me I'd do it in a heart beat. Iunderstand how you feel about not choosing howsomeone else's life should be used yet you have no problem supporting a president whohas no problem dictating how other people's life are used. I actually think Saddam needed to go and support freeing Iraq but how can you justify sending a man or woman to possible death (and thousands have come back that way)and not using what will eventuallyend upintrash cantoend countless sci's and diseases? It's a no brainer! Mark ---Original Message--- From: Jim Lubin Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:18:34 PM To: QuadPirate; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards I applaud your convictions Mark. I would not be that willing to give up my life even if it would put an end to sci and all other diseases that can potentially be cured by stem cells. I also cannot decide how someone else's life is to be used.JimAt 08:00 AM 10/11/2004, QuadPirate wrote: You're right Stacy and I bet any one of us would gladly give our life up if it would put an end to sci and all the other diseases associated with stem cells.Mark IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[QUAD-L] Reeve's directed TV movie coming out Oct 25, 2004 on TNT
Hi All, Sometime last year, or early this year, Chris Reeve finished directing a TV movie to be aired on TNT October 25, 2004. It's about a young girl who becomes vent dependent, I'm not sure why, and becomes a Doctor, I'm not sure what kind. The title is "The - -- Story" I don't remember the young girls name that's in the title. Sometimes to little information is dangerous, but look for it. Has anybody else heard about this movie? Bobbie PS I heard about this moviewhen i was at Kessler today
Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Stacy, There is no ban on Embryonic Stem Cell research There is no ban on Private Stem Cell research There is no ban on Stem Cell research There is only a ban on using federal grants for research on all but adult stem cell research or those embryonic stem cells harvested before the legislation. Private money is not a federal grant. There has not been any breakthrough that suggests the gov should change its funding policy. Embryonic stem cells have many problems at this time: Causing tumors, rejection, unforseen toxic side effects, that are not a prpblem when using a patients own stem cells. Kerry should be ashamed at raising false hopes by making this an issue in the election. It is baseless. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. If those lines aren't used ever then what good is it even though it is fertilized? It's not being used and most of them wont be. They just stay frozen forever? What kind of life is that for an embryo? Why not use them to help for research and then the can potentially make lives better for people with many disabilities. It may not help you or me or any of us for that matter, but what about future generations? A fertilized embryo that would be frozen forever if not used for research or more people living lives in misery. Stacy -- It's not the fall that hurts. Home page http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Graphics portfolio http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm Domain space http://nw-in.com/index.html
Fw: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves
I AGREE JIM. HE HAD EVERY RESOURCE AVAILABLESO HOW COULD HE HAVE DEVELOPED A SORE THAT WAS SO SEVERE? MADE ME WONDER. THE PICTURES I'VE SEEN TODAY SHOW A MAN WHO LOOKED LIKE HE HAD BEEN ON CHEMO- THINNING HAIR, NO EYELASHES. I WONDER IF HE WAS DOING SOME EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS OR SOMETHING. HE JUST DIDN'TLOOK WELL. I PRAY FORPEACE FOR HIS FAMILY. NICKI C5/6 - Original Message - From: Jim Lubin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now At 08:25 AM 10/11/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, if I would have unlimited funds, I may have started therapy 3-4 hours per day, but look what he missed out on. Even though he didn't have the funding problems most of us face, it seems to me that he wasn't receiving very good care with all the health problems he had. Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bothell, WA, USA http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org Transverse Myelitis Association: http://www.myelitis.org/HowToHelp
Re: [QUAD-L] Its been a tough Month........
Hey Bob, I'm sorry to hear about your losses, Iknow your Grandpa, Uncle and Lab are in a better place today. Take Care, Mark ---Original Message--- From: b.hickey Date: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:20:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [QUAD-L] Its been a tough Month First. my favorite dog "GUS" (my 6year oldyellow lab) dies from ingesting anti-freeze. He was a 70lb Iron man of a dog, willing to do anything for us even after losing 24lbs in under 2weeks. We had to put him down. Second..My best friend and Granpa Danny had a heart attack and dies in our bathroom at age 86. (God bless you Grandpa) ThirdWhile readingon the Quad list today about Mr. Reeves death, I was told by my father that my Uncle Chuck in Florida also passed away this morning. ..Speachless IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [QUAD-L] Reeve's directed TV movie coming out Oct 25, 2004 on TNT
In a message dated 11/10/2004 21:25:01 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi All, Sometime last year, or early this year, Chris Reeve finished directing a TV movie to be aired on TNT October 25, 2004. It's about a young girl who becomes vent dependent, I'm not sure why, and becomes a Doctor, I'm not sure what kind. The title is "The - -- Story" I don't remember the young girls name that's in the title. Sometimes to little information is dangerous, but look for it. Has anybody else heard about this movie? Bobbie PS I heard about this moviewhen i was at Kessler today I've not heard of it although I'm intreged to hear more about it and to see if it comes out over here. It sounds like it could be quite interesting! love Smurf xxx
RE: [QUAD-L] debate versus personal attacks
Title: Message Boyd, I did not mean this as a personal attack to you, but rather simply a discussion of the politics. My apologies for offending you personally. I was not dictating what you may or may not submit, but rather challenging you to write original thoughts rather then some of the garbage I've seen floating around the Internet. Obviously the challenge was successful in your very colorful and eloquent dissing of myself! I hope you will not mind if I do not take it personally since I doubt you would've done so if you have not felt attack personally yourself.I enjoy a good debate but I do not like to, and did not intend to, mix the issues with a personal attack or make it sound like one for that matter... though I realize now rereading what I wrote how you easily took it as a personal offense. My thoughts were more along the lines of attacking generally the statements ofassociation. And at no time did I call you illiterate. My focus was on the logic that by the same path I would be a Communist. In terms of some of the small misnomers, such as knack for neck, or "my" "am a", I do not apologize, and in attacking them you still have not addressed the actual point of the argument. They were unintentional and the thanks of DragonDictate, the voice recognition software I use. I thought I caught most of mistakes it made and corrected them but obviously a few slipped through the cracks.Often my sentence structure in these type e-mails is anything from perfect. In fact I often ignore proper sentence structure when simply communicating an idea such as using "..." To signify a cause in ideas... Almost more like a breath in a conversation. I would not wish for his daughters to break their necks! Far from it! Instead, my point was that Bush's view of the value of research and what was " sufficient" resources for scientists to utilize would change if someone in his family would be directly afflicted by one of the disabilities or diseases the research has thepotential of curing or minimally improving quality of life. Mark Felling -Original Message-From: Boyd Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/EdwardsOn 10/10/04 5:21 PM, "Mark Felling" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boyd,I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few editions... snip Am I a student of International relations, specific to international cultural interactions conflicts, international economic interactions, who has traveled the world, lived abroad, and speaks a number of languages? Yes. However, by the false, deductive logic in your previous statement Boyd, I guess I must be a Communist! Chuckle!Im so awed by your eminence in the field of stratospheric academia, and the breadth of linguistic skills facilitating your discourse among the intelligentsia both foreign and domestic, it is with tremulous trepidation that I invite attention to your: He apparently believes treatments developed that are contaminated with mouse cells are "sufficient" for you and I.Really now, even an illiterate like me remembers that proper diagramming of thissimple sentence requires your I to be a me. However, you did get the partabout being a Communist right. Please be original rather then mimicking Internet spewed garbage...Well, its a bit difficult to be original when one recites the Pledge of Allegiance orthe Lords Prayer, cause someone almost as smart and educated as you, gavethem to us to embrace and learn. But Im willing to concede your own demonstratedexpertise in spewed garbage. However I ask you, where is the logic in your statement: "as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq"? How do increased casualties in Iraq demonstrate al-Qa'ida' support for Kerry/Edwards? The logic of that statement is ludicrous and nonexistent.Looks to me as though such an highly an educated feller (home-spun for fellow), like you shouldnt have too much trouble figuring that out. Bush is whipping their asses,and they figure any change would be for the better.And you know what? Theyre right. snipPlease, if you want to argue politics, focus on real issues each candidate takes a specific stance on, such as stem cell research.If I want to argue politics? Thats the most ludicrous bleat yet! I dont know youfrom Adam (Im kinda particular). Until your God-Almighty, holier-than-thou excoriation of my post, (the thrust of which I now champion even stronger), Ididnt know you were alive. So who the hell are you to dictate my choice ofsubject matter on this list?You wanna write about stem research, have at it. But dont
Re: [QUAD-L] Its been a tough Month........
Hello, Sometimes life give us purely ecstatic moments, and then purely sad. I'm so sorry for your losses. RIver On Oct 11, 2004, at 4:20 PM, b.hickey wrote: First. my favorite dog GUS (my 6year old yellow lab) dies from ingesting anti-freeze. He was a 70lb Iron man of a dog, willing to do anything for us even after losing 24lbs in under 2weeks. We had to put him down. Second..My best friend and Granpa Danny had a heart attack and dies in our bathroom at age 86. (God bless you Grandpa) ThirdWhile reading on the Quad list today about Mr. Reeves death, I was told by my father that my Uncle Chuck in Florida also passed away this morning. ..Speachless image.tiff>
Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Bush plays the game of being.....
You seem to think that having a large family is a Right. I think personal responsibility should include not expecting others to pay for your wants. It is SELFISH to place personal WANTS over the NEEDS when one brings children into the world. The Welfare Entittlement state of mind has proved to be a poison to our society. One mistake is understandable, however NO ONE has the RIGHT to expect society to pay for a persons desire to multiply like a rabbit. Please quit reproducing if you can't feed and clothe those you already have! Use protection. Stuntman Not all single women have children just to receive a welfare check every month. Do you think it is fun to live like that? There are many women who work full time jobs, and have to have government assistance to survive. You should not have to give up your child because you are financially unstable. By the time I was 19, I had three children. I worked two full time jobs, but still couldn't make it. I had food stamps, and lowered rent, but I deserved my children just as much as a woman who was married and financially stable. And for the women who don't work, many times you can't win for losing. If you work, you do not earn enough to to raise a family, and if you apply for benefits, you don't receive enough assistance to even help make a difference. By the time you add child care for when you do go to work, you still have nothing. If you quit your job, you are then eligible for more assistance, and you can live better than if you were working. It is no way to live, but you do what you have to do to survive. Now for those women who don't even try to better themselves or the lives for their children, is unexceptable. But they should not have to adopt out their children. Until you have had to live in the system and raise children, you should not judge whether they deserve to have and keep their children. You could one day have to depend on food stamps, welfare, and lowered rent to raise your kids, because you aren't guaranteed a stable life. Would it be fair to say that a mother who is disabled should have to adopt out their child? No! It is a struggle depending on the government to raise your family, but it doesn't make you any less deserving of a family, a bad mom, or any less of a person. If anything needs to change, it is the way the system works. Better assistance should be available for those mothers who are working, that way they can get on their feet, become stable, and come out of the system and poverty. For the mothers who did not want to work, they would have to become employed in order to best utilize their resources, and would see that working is more beneificial than welfare. The welfare system makes it impossible to get back on your feet when you have hit rock bottom. As far as teenage pregnancy, yes, it is irresponsible. We have all made decisions as teens that were not responsible, but we are only human. Who are we to judge one another anyway? I do believe that we all have our flaws!!! Well, kids and single women are having babies and living off of the system. They get money to raise the baby, money off of rent, food stamps, and other things they may be eligible for. It is a shame. I think those people should be forced to give their babies up for adoption or after having a couple they should. So many of these women have 4,5 or more kids. I know a woman from back home that has 7 and doesn't work because she gets so much help. Stacy -- It's not the fall that hurts. Home page http://tnthompson0.tripod.com/homeincyberspace/ Graphics portfolio http://tnthompson1.tripod.com/index.htm Domain space http://nw-in.com/index.html
Re: [QUAD-L] new home
At 01:22 PM 10/11/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the early stages of building a new home. Does anyone know of a wed site that has floor plans that are designed for quads. http://www.makoa.org/accessable-design.htm scroll down to house plans Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bothell, WA, USA http://makoa.org/jim disAbility Resources: http://www.makoa.org Transverse Myelitis Association: http://www.myelitis.org/HowToHelp
[QUAD-L] Kerry, champion for the middle-class
Middle Class Said To Pay Higher Tax Rate Than Heinz Kerry And Kerry Mon Oct 11 2004 10:22:17 ET Stephen Moore, president of the Club for Growth, writes in the WALL STREET JOURNAL on Monday: According to the Kerrys' own tax records, and they have not released all of them, the couple had a combined income of $6.8 million in income last year and paid $725,000 in income taxes. That means their effective tax rate was a whopping 12.8% Under the current tax system the middle class pays far more than the Kerry tax rate. In fact, the average federal tax rate -- combined payroll and income tax -- for a middle-class family is closer to 20% or more. George W. and Laura Bush, who had an income one- tenth of the Kerrys', paid a tax rate of 30%. ... Here is the man who finds clever ways to reduce his own tax liability while voting for higher taxes on the middle class dozens of times in his Senate career. He even voted against the Bush tax cut that saves each middle-class family about $1,000. The Kerrys have unwittingly made the case for what George W. Bush says he wants to do: radically simplify and flatten out the tax code. ... So before John Kerry is given the opportunity to raise taxes again on American workers, shouldn't he and Teresa at least pay their fair share?
Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Bush plays the game of being.....
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] RE: Bush plays the game of being. Youre dead on Stuntman. And the fact that youre male detracts not one whit from the validity of your knowledgeable assessment of a system gone berserk. I refer to an old saw: Do me once, shame on you. Do me twice, shame on me! Ive no problem with community support of a young mother and her fatherless child or children, if its a multiple birth. Its when she does it again that I draw the line. Boyd --- On 10/11/04 4:36 PM, Stuntman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to think that having a large family is a Right. I think personal responsibility should include not expecting others to pay for your wants. It is SELFISH to place personal WANTS over the NEEDS when one brings children into the world. The Welfare Entittlement state of mind has proved to be a poison to our society. One mistake is understandable, however NO ONE has the RIGHT to expect society to pay for a persons desire to multiply like a rabbit. Please quit reproducing if you can't feed and clothe those you already have! Use protection. Stuntman Not all single women have children just to receive a welfare check every month. Do you think it is fun to live like that? There are many women who work full time jobs, and have to have government assistance to survive. You should not have to give up your child because you are financially unstable. By the time I was 19, I had three children. I worked two full time jobs, but still couldn't make it. I had food stamps, and lowered rent, but I deserved my children just as much as a woman who was married and financially stable. And for the women who don't work, many times you can't win for losing. If you work, you do not earn enough to to raise a family, and if you apply for benefits, you don't receive enough assistance to even help make a difference. By the time you add child care for when you do go to work, you still have nothing. If you quit your job, you are then eligible for more assistance, and you can live better than if you were working. It is no way to live, but you do what you have to do to survive. Now for those women who don't even try to better themselves or the lives for their children, is unexceptable. But they should not have to adopt out their children. Until you have had to live in the system and raise children, you should not judge whether they deserve to have and keep their children. You could one day have to depend on food stamps, welfare, and lowered rent to raise your kids, because you aren't guaranteed a stable life. Would it be fair to say that a mother who is disabled should have to adopt out their child? No! It is a struggle depending on the government to raise your family, but it doesn't make you any less deserving of a family, a bad mom, or any less of a person. If anything needs to change, it is the way the system works. Better assistance should be available for those mothers who are working, that way they can get on their feet, become stable, and come out of the system and poverty. For the mothers who did not want to work, they would have to become employed in order to best utilize their resources, and would see that working is more beneificial than welfare. The welfare system makes it impossible to get back on your feet when you have hit rock bottom. As far as teenage pregnancy, yes, it is irresponsible. We have all made decisions as teens that were not responsible, but we are only human. Who are we to judge one another anyway? I do believe that we all have our flaws!!! Well, kids and single women are having babies and living off of the system. They get money to raise the baby, money off of rent, food stamps, and other things they may be eligible for. It is a shame. I think those people should be forced to give their babies up for adoption or after having a couple they should. So many of these women have 4,5 or more kids. I know a woman from back home that has 7 and doesn't work because she gets so much help. Stacy
Re: [QUAD-L] finally got the majic bullet
Thanks, I took advantage of it. According to them it should take 1-2 weeks to fill the 'first come, first served' orders. Dana and ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] finally got the majic bullet I ordered magic bullets from express medical something like I know over 6 months ago. They called me and I finally got them. This was my first time using them and I now see what they hype was all about. I swear it worked before it melted. I am not hooked. Oh, express medical sells them 10 in a box for people that cant afford to buy so many at once and they are not increasing the price until January. express medical magic bulletshttp://www.exmed.net/find_adv.asp?a=b They are 5 bucks for a pack of 10. Good time to grab them up before they increase the price. Stacy People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself
[QUAD-L] Fw: In Memory of Christopher Reeve
This is how much Christopher Reeves is NOT out for only himself. He does care about others. Stacy "People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself" - Original Message - From: Everyone at Life Rolls On To: Stacy Harim Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: In Memory of Christopher Reeve We are deeply saddened by the sudden and tragic death of Christopher Reeve. Chris was an inspiration to Life Rolls On, he supported our efforts wholeheartedly, provided video messages for us to play at our events, his Foundation and their staff tirelessly devoted themselves to furthering the Life Rolls On mission, and he was a friend. You see, one day shortly after his injury, Jesse received a call at the hospital. On the line was Superman; This was eight years ago. This is the type of man Chris was. Chris would do anything he could to support those afflicted by spinal cord injuries. As the years went by, the bond between Chris and Jesse grew deeper. Mutual respect for what became a lifelong fight to find a cure for paralysis. Chris' efforts will not be in vain, as his Foundation will continue to work for the cure - funding critical research and getting Chris' message out, "We must. We can. We will." We stand right beside you in those efforts. Everyone at Life Rolls On would like to extend our hearts to the Reeve family and everyone at the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation. We feel like we have lost one of our own. Ironically, Life Rolls On submitted our annual support to the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation in the amount of $30,000 - just two days before his passing. We would like this to be forever remembered as a grant in honor of the LIFE of our hero - not his death. You will be missed Chris. Surely you are walking now - there are no wheelchairs in Heaven! With Love, Life Rolls On Christopher Reeve 1952 - 2004 Cards may be sent to the family in care of the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation at 500 Morris Avenue, Springfield, New Jersey 07081.To remove yourself from this mailing, please click hereTo modify your profile, please click here
[QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now
In a message dated 10/11/04 5:12:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am pissed boggled as to how the hell with all his care * super therapy was this man allowed to die from a friggin bed sore..how did he not self advocate. Actually, I'm not surprised. Sometimes when the going is good...not enough attention is given to the body. Survivors come in many different packages. Some are poor, while others have everything. I'm always concerned when I visit new patients at the spinal injury floor and see VIP on the door... and them sleeping in bed as they didn't feel like doing rehab THAT day. But life... goes on! W
Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
At 04:22 PM 10/11/2004, QuadPirate wrote: But you can't tell me that some soldiers don't think this has anything to do with protecting our country and giving a choice would choose coming home so I don't think they thought this is what they volunteered for and that's not giving them a choice. Some soldiers may not agree with certain missions they are sent on, but it's not up individual soldiers to chose which lawful orders they will follow. Enlistment isn't on the decline for no reason. Now I think all of them would go after Osama and be proud of it and enlistment would probably be way up. We all agree on that. Actually the military is reaching their enlistment and reenlistment quotas in all active duty branches except the National Guard. The reason for the decline in the Guard is because people are concern of longer deployments away from their regular jobs. My neighbor just enlisted 2 months ago and leaves for basic training next week. I don't know exactly where life begins but the majority of Americans think this isn't it but we didn't get a choice to vote on this. Where do you draw the line? Something that important shouldn't be voted on and decided by the general popular vote. No, president Bush did not decide this by executive order. Bioethicist should decide after much discussion and research. And forget about only banning Federal money for research on these essential stem cell lines. It should be the majority of Americans choice that's all I'm saying. The general population doesn't vote on any other federal spending decision. That's what we elect representatives for. States such as New Jersey and California has decided to fund embryonic stem cell research. So if you feel that strongly that the people should decide on funding then contact your state legislature about it.
[QUAD-L] Christopher Reeves / Go ahead yell at me now
In a message dated 10/11/04 12:18:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Even though he didn't have the funding problems most of us face, it seems to me that he wasn't receiving very good care with all the health problems he had. He was getting good care. He was just a famous and very few people wanted to upset him, so he had his way most of the time. Dana, his wife, now has the responsibility to carry on with the torch and I'm sure that she will proudly. W
[QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve
Mr. Reeve was a believer. No, he wasn't a charismatic believer as others felt he should be, but he privately believed. I believe that he was a good Christian in the works he did. He set the example for others to follow... and improve. I know of no other individual who has produced a greater sum of capital resources to the cause than Mr. Reeve. He provided hope to those who had no hope. He help provide recognition when there was very little. He kept the faith alive within himself. Let he who can prove that they are better believers, toss the first rock. He wore his faith... on his heart for those who suffered to make a better life thru research. For that May he rest in peace. W In a message dated 10/11/04 11:39:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an Unchristian thing to say on the day he died. That is just mean spirited. May God forgive you... My problem is that I never heard him put his hope in the Lord. That's where you should have been. I will not judge whether he is walking . now are not. I only know that I never heard him witness to the glory of God.
Re: [QUAD-L] Kerry, champion for the middle-class
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Kerry, champion for the middle-class Sounds like a very straightforward question to me Jim. Wonder where we might find a straightforward answer? Boyd On 10/11/04 6:21 PM, Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Middle Class Said To Pay Higher Tax Rate Than Heinz Kerry And Kerry Mon Oct 11 2004 10:22:17 ET Stephen Moore, president of the Club for Growth, writes in the WALL STREET JOURNAL on Monday: According to the Kerrys' own tax records, and they have not released all of them, the couple had a combined income of $6.8 million in income last year and paid $725,000 in income taxes. That means their effective tax rate was a whopping 12.8% Under the current tax system the middle class pays far more than the Kerry tax rate. In fact, the average federal tax rate -- combined payroll and income tax -- for a middle-class family is closer to 20% or more. George W. and Laura Bush, who had an income one- tenth of the Kerrys', paid a tax rate of 30%. ... Here is the man who finds clever ways to reduce his own tax liability while voting for higher taxes on the middle class dozens of times in his Senate career. He even voted against the Bush tax cut that saves each middle-class family about $1,000. The Kerrys have unwittingly made the case for what George W. Bush says he wants to do: radically simplify and flatten out the tax code. ... So before John Kerry is given the opportunity to raise taxes again on American workers, shouldn't he and Teresa at least pay their fair share?
[QUAD-L] Hi Jim
Thanks for the advice, I hope things are going well with you! Val Cleroux Communication is the key to success
Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, False Logic Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards Works for me! Boyd -- On 10/11/04 7:33 PM, Jim Lubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:22 PM 10/11/2004, QuadPirate wrote: But you can't tell me that some soldiers don't think this has anything to do with protecting our country and giving a choice would choose coming home so I don't think they thought this is what they volunteered for and that's not giving them a choice. The general population doesn't vote on any other federal spending decision. That's what we elect representatives for. States such as New Jersey and California has decided to fund embryonic stem cell research. So if you feel that strongly that the people should decide on funding then contact your state legislature about it.
[QUAD-L] New home
If you are having a new home built, don't forget to wire for home automated living before the drywall goes up. As long as the wiring is there it does not restrict you and you can make a decision afterwards to have it or not. Had mine put in after the house was completely built and it was much more work and more costly. Just a suggestion of course Val Cleroux Communication is the key to success
Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve
Title: Re: [QUAD-L] Christopher Reeve Mr. Reeves was both famous and wealthy. His fans were both domestic international. Yet he was humble in his embrace of a cause that he wanted to share with every other spinal-cord victim. The fervent dream of, and hope for a triumph in modern medicine over spinal cord damage, is a cause to which he dedicated his life. It is altogether conceavable that while it is too late for him, his devoted efforts to that end may one day be the salvation of one or many, who are todays and tomorrows spinal cord victims. May we join in honor and respect for a noble man, who gave his all, to a noble cause. May he indeed rest in peace. Boyd On 10/11/04 8:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Let he who can prove that they are better believers, toss the first rock. He wore his faith... on his heart for those who suffered to make a better life thru research. For that May he rest in peace. W
