Re: [qubes-users] Installing Qubes 4.0 on a Dell XPS 9570 i9

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

try appending the kernel param nouveau.modeset=0

I purchased and returned this laptop because it does not fully work with
Linux, I have a Precision 7530 now, much better. See my notes at
https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/44284
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 14:10 'awokd' via qubes-users <
qubes-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> On Fri, August 17, 2018 3:01 pm, Ole wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >
> > I have a new XPS 9570 i9 laptop and I'm trying to install Qubes 4.0 on
> > it.
> >
> > I have the installer on a USB stick and when I boot from it, briefly some
> > text shows up in the upper left corner, then screen goes blank and the
> > system reboots some seconds later.
> >
> > Debian live isn't working either, it hangs with a black screen and fan
> > noise.
> >
> > Ubuntu live is working though.
> >
> >
> > Is there anything I could try?
>
> Easiest thing to try might be to install in Legacy mode vs. UEFI.
> Otherwise, check
>
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/uefi-troubleshooting/#installation-freezes-before-getting-to-anaconda-qubes-40
> .
>
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 11:23 AM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 01/07/2018 12:14 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:57 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:
> > I did build PCs before, but that was literarly a life time ago (early
> > 2000's), and since then, I've been with laptops. I was aware of PCI-e
> > compatibility, but I did not know to what degree the difference in speed
> > might affect the GPU. Would a GTX 1080 work for instance?
> There is no real difference between 3.0 and 2.0 even with 4K, Crossfire
> and the latest cards so having v2.0 is fine.
> As I have stated before nvidia is a bad company and you shouldn't buy
> from them, they do not support owner-control, actively hinder linux
> driver development and VM gaming.
>

Good to know, thanks Taiidan. In that case, it's good that I got myself an
AMD Radeon HD 6950 (
https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Radeon-HD-6950-2GB-GDDR5-PCIe-Video-Graphics-Card-Dell-PN-1643M/272894243766),
I'll use this one as primary, and I'll wait till the price of the Vega
comes down, I have my eye on RX Vega 64.


> Don't forget your board standoffs, and don't confuse the PCI-e power
> cables with EPS12V.
> Since it has been a long time you should brush up and watch some vids
> from reputable places, you gotta be careful considering how much $$$ you
> have spent :]
>

 Will do.

> >> Hey when you get this let me know if you need any help setting up VM
> >> gaming it is very difficult but very rewarding.
> >> One gotcha I have noticed is NUMA alignment, each 16 core CPU contains
> >> two NUMA nodes and performance will suffer greatly if things are not
> >> properly aligned (gets tricker in VM's too)
>

Are you talking about alignment of RAM? The KGPE-D16 specifies the RAM
order in the manual (
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketG34(1944)/KGPE-D16/Menual_QVL/E8847_KGPE-D16.pdf
page 2-17).


> >>
> >>
> >> I will definitely do that.
> I eagerly await your gaming benchmarks, there are several triple A games
> out there that support 16 cores and you must try them.
> >> TPM:
> >> I am not sure about TPM's I would call ASUS and ask for a board
> >> compatible part number.
> >>
> >> I might have to return the one I got then, it's a Gigabyte TPM module.
> Like I said call and ask asus what model number you need for the board.
>
> Ideally you could simply use whatever same-generation of TPM (board is
> v1.2 not v2.0) as it uses a simple LPC bus for communication but you
> might as well buy whatever asus tells you to so to avoid trouble.
> Coreboot devs tested with asus's infineon brand TPM.
> I assume you have bought a TPM 2.0, if so that definitely won't work.
>

I'm aware that Linux does not support TPM 2.0 so I did order a TPM v1.2.
I'll give ASUS a call to confirm it works.

>> Newegg Links:
> >> I can't view newegg links, you would have to find a OEM link to show me.
> >> I would get a 1KW PSU from a reputable company, like I said dual EPS12V,
> >> modular and japanese capacitors is what you want.
> >>
> >>
> > I got this one,
> https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-G3-1000-X1
> I usually don't recommend evga as I don't like companies who sell both
> good and bad products (their lower end stuff is crappy) but that seems
> fine, good reviews japanese caps and a nice 10 year warranty.

>> Case Price - no more than $200 unless it includes nice front HDD hot
> >> swap bays - Don't use the PSU that comes with the case.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, it ended up closer to 400. I got this one
> > http://www.norcotek.com/product/rpc-4220/ it was difficult finding EEB
> > cases. Depending on the noise it makes, there's a braket that I can
> switch
> > in it to change the 4 80mm fans with 3 120mm fans. In anycase, I wanted a
> > case that has wide support for boards (CEB, EEB, ATX and mini ATX) so
> later
> > on I can update the components and not have to reinvenst in the case.
> Nice case, pricey but with an HBA or RAID card you can install all the
> drives you'll ever want.
> It has good reviews that mention the high quality, good choice!
>

Thanks.

> >> I would also get front drive bay HDD enclosures that have a fan
> >> otherwise your drives will get hot inside the case and be a pain to
> >> service.
> >>
> > this one does not have a fan, I'll add a braket if I see a need, but I
> > think it'll be alright with the 6 fans it has.
> Yeah you sure will, since the bays came with the case you won't need
> additional cooling as they have already taken care of that (with the
> assorted case fan

Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:57 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 01/04/2018 01:23 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > I read a bit more on M/B connectors and
> >
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153218=1
> > has one EPS (8 pin) and one ATX (8 pin as well), so it's all good.
> >
> > Taiidan, what GPU do you use? The board has only a VGA, which is OK for
> > setting it up, but I want to run a 1080p widescreen (one, for now, more
> for
> > later. I have a GeForce GTX 760
> > <
> https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760/specifications
> >laying
> > around, would it work? It says required PCI-E 3 and the board has PCI-E 2
> > so probably not, but would be good to know.
> Hmm curious is this your first time building a PC? :0 I thought you had
> done this before? All PCI-e stuff is backwards and forwards compatible I
> would get this all set up before you buy a newer GFX card - that one
> will work fine for now.
>

I did build PCs before, but that was literarly a life time ago (early
2000's), and since then, I've been with laptops. I was aware of PCI-e
compatibility, but I did not know to what degree the difference in speed
might affect the GPU. Would a GTX 1080 work for instance?


>
> Hey when you get this let me know if you need any help setting up VM
> gaming it is very difficult but very rewarding.
> One gotcha I have noticed is NUMA alignment, each 16 core CPU contains
> two NUMA nodes and performance will suffer greatly if things are not
> properly aligned (gets tricker in VM's too)
>

I will definitely do that.


> TPM:
> I am not sure about TPM's I would call ASUS and ask for a board
> compatible part number.
>
> I might have to return the one I got then, it's a Gigabyte TPM module.


> Newegg Links:
> I can't view newegg links, you would have to find a OEM link to show me.
> I would get a 1KW PSU from a reputable company, like I said dual EPS12V,
> modular and japanese capacitors is what you want.
>
>
I got this one, https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-G3-1000-X1


> Case Price - no more than $200 unless it includes nice front HDD hot
> swap bays - Don't use the PSU that comes with the case.
>
> Unfortunately, it ended up closer to 400. I got this one
http://www.norcotek.com/product/rpc-4220/ it was difficult finding EEB
cases. Depending on the noise it makes, there's a braket that I can switch
in it to change the 4 80mm fans with 3 120mm fans. In anycase, I wanted a
case that has wide support for boards (CEB, EEB, ATX and mini ATX) so later
on I can update the components and not have to reinvenst in the case.


> I would also get front drive bay HDD enclosures that have a fan
> otherwise your drives will get hot inside the case and be a pain to
> service.
>

this one does not have a fan, I'll add a braket if I see a need, but I
think it'll be alright with the 6 fans it has.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:16 PM awokd <aw...@danwin1210.me> wrote:

> On Fri, January 5, 2018 9:52 pm, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > I'm still missing a GPU as I need to run a couple of 1080p monitors, I
> > see on ebay quite a bit (and quite cheap) AMD GPUs here[0], I haven't
> > owned a Radeon before, any suggestions?
>
> I know a bit about Radeons at least. Suggest making sure it's on at least
> one of these lists in case you ever decide to try passthrough, and try to
> not get one that's been burnt out mining coins.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IOMMU-supporting_hardware#AMD
>
> http://www.overclock.net/t/1307834/xen-vga-passthrough-compatible-graphics-adapters
>
> https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_VGA_Passthrough_Tested_Adapters#ATI.2FAMD_display_adapters
>
>
> Thanks, got the last piece of the puzzle https://goo.gl/2i5vHe

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:52 AM cooloutac  wrote:

> EVGA is my fav brand for psu's.
>

Thanks for the tip, Here's my final list of parts:

- Case: https://goo.gl/ethkyC
- PSU: https://goo.gl/DAvHH8
- Motherboard: https://goo.gl/iG3Xia
- CPU: https://goo.gl/HxjKPi
- CPU Cooling: https://goo.gl/Fs3Rck
- RAM: https://goo.gl/UsCYPB
- TPM: https://goo.gl/bpMZsp

I'm still missing a GPU as I need to run a couple of 1080p monitors, I see
on ebay quite a bit (and quite cheap) AMD GPUs here[0], I haven't owned a
Radeon before, any suggestions?

[0]: https://goo.gl/qSc56M

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

I read a bit more on M/B connectors and
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153218=1
has one EPS (8 pin) and one ATX (8 pin as well), so it's all good.

Taiidan, what GPU do you use? The board has only a VGA, which is OK for
setting it up, but I want to run a 1080p widescreen (one, for now, more for
later. I have a GeForce GTX 760
<https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760/specifications>laying
around, would it work? It says required PCI-E 3 and the board has PCI-E 2
so probably not, but would be good to know.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:33 PM Wael M. Nasreddine <wael.nasredd...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is even better
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817153218 for $280
> but it does not seem to come with 2 EPS (even though I see +12V1 and +12V2.
> I think one is EPS and another one is ATX. I read on coreboot that adapters
> can catch on fire, but not sure if that applies here as my understanding is
> adapters if for hooking up both CPUs in parallel. What do you think?
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM Wael M. Nasreddine <
> wael.nasredd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:57 AM Wael M. Nasreddine <
>> wael.nasredd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 9:53 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/29/2017 10:28 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:06 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Those dual 6386 are a good price I would get them if I was you, there
>>>> >> will always be plenty of buyers if you want to sell the second one.
>>>> >>
>>>> > Ok got the CPU and the cooler.
>>>> Man dual 6386, that is gonna be one speed demon :D lucky bastard!
>>>>
>>> It'll be awesome.
>>>
>>> >   I'm struggling to find a good case.
>>>> If you have the money I would get a supermicro 4U case, they are nice
>>>> (one that comes with front drive trays preferably)
>>>>
>>> I couldn't find a Supermicro that's compatible with EEB, is E-ATX the
>>> same as EEB? It has the same dimensions, but I think it has different
>>> mounting screws right?
>>>
>>> >   There
>>>> > are plenty of choice, and since this would be my first server case
>>>> build,
>>>> > I'm not sure what to look for. For example, here's newegg search
>>>> > <
>>>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE=18044=1=4u%20case=And=EEB=1=36=BESTMATCH
>>>> >
>>>> > for 4U cases having EEB keyword (no EEB filter offered), this case
>>>> seems
>>>> > cheap enough
>>>> > https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219020 but
>>>> has
>>>> > 80mm fans in the middle, not 120mm. I've seen a few cases with 120mm
>>>> > mid-fans but did not support EEB. Do you have a link for a case you
>>>> work
>>>> > with?
>>>> My case is a shorter model 80mil in the back 120 for both front drive
>>>> bays no room for middle fans.
>>>>
>>>> That case seems fine, although can you tell me the price and shipping? I
>>>> can't see it as I browse with JS off.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That case is $86.99 free shipping.
>>>
>>> For the power supply, what do you think of this one
>>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338110 (sells
>>> for 119.99 + 4.99 shipping). Do you have an example for the power supply
>>> with modular cables?
>>>
>>
>> Actually, the above power supply wouldn't work (the board requires 24pin,
>> and I need about 700W. I found this one
>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD245CD7980 for
>> $316, quite pricy for a PSU, any suggestion?
>>
>> What do you recommand for the TPM module?
>>
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

This is even better
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817153218 for $280
but it does not seem to come with 2 EPS (even though I see +12V1 and +12V2.
I think one is EPS and another one is ATX. I read on coreboot that adapters
can catch on fire, but not sure if that applies here as my understanding is
adapters if for hooking up both CPUs in parallel. What do you think?

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM Wael M. Nasreddine <wael.nasredd...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:57 AM Wael M. Nasreddine <
> wael.nasredd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 9:53 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/29/2017 10:28 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:06 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Those dual 6386 are a good price I would get them if I was you, there
>>> >> will always be plenty of buyers if you want to sell the second one.
>>> >>
>>> > Ok got the CPU and the cooler.
>>> Man dual 6386, that is gonna be one speed demon :D lucky bastard!
>>>
>> It'll be awesome.
>>
>> >   I'm struggling to find a good case.
>>> If you have the money I would get a supermicro 4U case, they are nice
>>> (one that comes with front drive trays preferably)
>>>
>> I couldn't find a Supermicro that's compatible with EEB, is E-ATX the
>> same as EEB? It has the same dimensions, but I think it has different
>> mounting screws right?
>>
>> >   There
>>> > are plenty of choice, and since this would be my first server case
>>> build,
>>> > I'm not sure what to look for. For example, here's newegg search
>>> > <
>>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE=18044=1=4u%20case=And=EEB=1=36=BESTMATCH
>>> >
>>> > for 4U cases having EEB keyword (no EEB filter offered), this case
>>> seems
>>> > cheap enough
>>> > https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219020 but
>>> has
>>> > 80mm fans in the middle, not 120mm. I've seen a few cases with 120mm
>>> > mid-fans but did not support EEB. Do you have a link for a case you
>>> work
>>> > with?
>>> My case is a shorter model 80mil in the back 120 for both front drive
>>> bays no room for middle fans.
>>>
>>> That case seems fine, although can you tell me the price and shipping? I
>>> can't see it as I browse with JS off.
>>>
>>
>> That case is $86.99 free shipping.
>>
>> For the power supply, what do you think of this one
>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338110 (sells
>> for 119.99 + 4.99 shipping). Do you have an example for the power supply
>> with modular cables?
>>
>
> Actually, the above power supply wouldn't work (the board requires 24pin,
> and I need about 700W. I found this one
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD245CD7980 for $316,
> quite pricy for a PSU, any suggestion?
>
> What do you recommand for the TPM module?
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:57 AM Wael M. Nasreddine <
wael.nasredd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 9:53 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/29/2017 10:28 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:06 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Those dual 6386 are a good price I would get them if I was you, there
>> >> will always be plenty of buyers if you want to sell the second one.
>> >>
>> > Ok got the CPU and the cooler.
>> Man dual 6386, that is gonna be one speed demon :D lucky bastard!
>>
> It'll be awesome.
>
> >   I'm struggling to find a good case.
>> If you have the money I would get a supermicro 4U case, they are nice
>> (one that comes with front drive trays preferably)
>>
> I couldn't find a Supermicro that's compatible with EEB, is E-ATX the same
> as EEB? It has the same dimensions, but I think it has different mounting
> screws right?
>
> >   There
>> > are plenty of choice, and since this would be my first server case
>> build,
>> > I'm not sure what to look for. For example, here's newegg search
>> > <
>> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE=18044=1=4u%20case=And=EEB=1=36=BESTMATCH
>> >
>> > for 4U cases having EEB keyword (no EEB filter offered), this case seems
>> > cheap enough
>> > https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219020 but
>> has
>> > 80mm fans in the middle, not 120mm. I've seen a few cases with 120mm
>> > mid-fans but did not support EEB. Do you have a link for a case you work
>> > with?
>> My case is a shorter model 80mil in the back 120 for both front drive
>> bays no room for middle fans.
>>
>> That case seems fine, although can you tell me the price and shipping? I
>> can't see it as I browse with JS off.
>>
>
> That case is $86.99 free shipping.
>
> For the power supply, what do you think of this one
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338110 (sells
> for 119.99 + 4.99 shipping). Do you have an example for the power supply
> with modular cables?
>

Actually, the above power supply wouldn't work (the board requires 24pin,
and I need about 700W. I found this one
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD245CD7980 for $316,
quite pricy for a PSU, any suggestion?

What do you recommand for the TPM module?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 9:53 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 12/29/2017 10:28 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:06 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Those dual 6386 are a good price I would get them if I was you, there
> >> will always be plenty of buyers if you want to sell the second one.
> >>
> > Ok got the CPU and the cooler.
> Man dual 6386, that is gonna be one speed demon :D lucky bastard!
>
It'll be awesome.

>   I'm struggling to find a good case.
> If you have the money I would get a supermicro 4U case, they are nice
> (one that comes with front drive trays preferably)
>
I couldn't find a Supermicro that's compatible with EEB, is E-ATX the same
as EEB? It has the same dimensions, but I think it has different mounting
screws right?

>   There
> > are plenty of choice, and since this would be my first server case build,
> > I'm not sure what to look for. For example, here's newegg search
> > <
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE=18044=1=4u%20case=And=EEB=1=36=BESTMATCH
> >
> > for 4U cases having EEB keyword (no EEB filter offered), this case seems
> > cheap enough
> > https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219020 but has
> > 80mm fans in the middle, not 120mm. I've seen a few cases with 120mm
> > mid-fans but did not support EEB. Do you have a link for a case you work
> > with?
> My case is a shorter model 80mil in the back 120 for both front drive
> bays no room for middle fans.
>
> That case seems fine, although can you tell me the price and shipping? I
> can't see it as I browse with JS off.
>

That case is $86.99 free shipping.

For the power supply, what do you think of this one
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338110 (sells for
119.99 + 4.99 shipping). Do you have an example for the power supply with
modular cables?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:06 PM taii...@gmx.com  wrote:

> Those dual 6386 are a good price I would get them if I was you, there
> will always be plenty of buyers if you want to sell the second one.
>

Ok got the CPU and the cooler. I'm struggling to find a good case. There
are plenty of choice, and since this would be my first server case build,
I'm not sure what to look for. For example, here's newegg search

for 4U cases having EEB keyword (no EEB filter offered), this case seems
cheap enough
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219020 but has
80mm fans in the middle, not 120mm. I've seen a few cases with 120mm
mid-fans but did not support EEB. Do you have a link for a case you work
with?

>
> The KGPE-D16 almost always comes with the module so don't worry - btw
> MSRP is $415 for brand new KGPE-D16 so don't overpay.
>

Awesome, I'll order the board now then and hopefully will have the module.


> Yeah that cooler is the one to get for the 140W CPU's, pricey but I am
> not aware of any others.
> https://noctua.at/en/nh-u12do-a3
> https://noctua.at/en/noctua-intros-new-amd-opteron-coolers-with-g34-support
> MSRP USD 64.90 (7 years ago)

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 12:02 PM Wael M. Nasreddine <
wael.nasredd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 5:19 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/28/2017 05:43 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>>
>> > Thx for the tip, yea might not worth the $70 to buy used, I'll keep an
>> eye
>> > out for RAM/CPU on eBay. BTW on the manual of the board, it says that I
>> can
>> > go with <4 or >4 RAM sticks but from what you said so far, it sounded
>> like
>> > I need to fill all the slots, is that necessary? I'm intending to get
>> 8Gb a
>> > stick to fill 64Gb. I don't think I need more than that.
>> You need two sticks per CPU for dual channel, four per CPU for quad
>> channel (very slight performance improvement)
>>
> Thanks for the tip.
>
>> The life of board components is much shorter than
>> >> Hey I am curious are you from the middle east?
>> >>
>> >> Yes, I'm originally from Lebanon, but I left a decade and half ago. I
>> live now in the US.
>> Oh neat.
>> It is so sad whats happening in that area, so many people and so much
>> cultural heritage sites gone just because of a difference in
>> ideologymy I can't believe some people still think the black outfit
>> scumbag unit just showed up out of a mirage in the desert like magic.
>>
> Yes, it's aweful, it got me depressed for many years, history just keep
> repeating itself :(
>
>
>> > On 12/27/2017 02:49 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>> >>> I have a 1U server and it's pretty loud, unusable as a Desktop
>> machine,
>> >> are
>> >>> the 4U also loud? Any suggetions on a specific case?
>> >>>
>> >> 4U always is recommended as you can use larger fans, with decent fans
>> >> and running fancontrol or the OpenBMC firmware on the KCMA-D8 and
>> >> KGPE-D16 they are almost silent and one can watch a film without
>> complaint.
>> >>
>> > Thx for the tip, I'll opt for OpenBMC in that case.
>> If you want this make sure your vendor is selling your the KGPE-D16 with
>> the ASMB module so you don't have to buy it later, it should say it in
>> the SKU title.
>>
>
> I couldn't find one with the module, is the module really needed?
>
> Also, what do you think about this CPU fan
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Noctua-NH-U12DO-A3/332385518775? It'll end up
> $87 ea, on Newegg it's $129 each. I'm going with this CPU
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/332501959819,
>

I found two 6386
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2x-AMD-Opteron-6386-OS6386YETGGHK-16-Core-2-8GHz-Socket-G34-CPU-TQ1488/122885384670
also is near me, I'll contact the seller to see if I can pick it up.

the person selling is near me. I couldn't find a 6380SE for less than $150.
> I'm looking right now for the case, there are so many out there but I'm
> going to focus on a 4U case with 120mm fans.
>
> What GPU do you have? I don't plan to purchase it now, but I would love to
> be able to play some games sometime in the future.
>
> I'm wondering, which state are you in?
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 5:19 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 12/28/2017 05:43 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > Thx for the tip, yea might not worth the $70 to buy used, I'll keep an
> eye
> > out for RAM/CPU on eBay. BTW on the manual of the board, it says that I
> can
> > go with <4 or >4 RAM sticks but from what you said so far, it sounded
> like
> > I need to fill all the slots, is that necessary? I'm intending to get
> 8Gb a
> > stick to fill 64Gb. I don't think I need more than that.
> You need two sticks per CPU for dual channel, four per CPU for quad
> channel (very slight performance improvement)
>
Thanks for the tip.

> The life of board components is much shorter than
> >> Hey I am curious are you from the middle east?
> >>
> >> Yes, I'm originally from Lebanon, but I left a decade and half ago. I
> live now in the US.
> Oh neat.
> It is so sad whats happening in that area, so many people and so much
> cultural heritage sites gone just because of a difference in
> ideologymy I can't believe some people still think the black outfit
> scumbag unit just showed up out of a mirage in the desert like magic.
>
Yes, it's aweful, it got me depressed for many years, history just keep
repeating itself :(


> > On 12/27/2017 02:49 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
> >>> I have a 1U server and it's pretty loud, unusable as a Desktop machine,
> >> are
> >>> the 4U also loud? Any suggetions on a specific case?
> >>>
> >> 4U always is recommended as you can use larger fans, with decent fans
> >> and running fancontrol or the OpenBMC firmware on the KCMA-D8 and
> >> KGPE-D16 they are almost silent and one can watch a film without
> complaint.
> >>
> > Thx for the tip, I'll opt for OpenBMC in that case.
> If you want this make sure your vendor is selling your the KGPE-D16 with
> the ASMB module so you don't have to buy it later, it should say it in
> the SKU title.
>

I couldn't find one with the module, is the module really needed?

Also, what do you think about this CPU fan
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Noctua-NH-U12DO-A3/332385518775? It'll end up $87
ea, on Newegg it's $129 each. I'm going with this CPU
https://www.ebay.com/itm/332501959819, the person selling is near me. I
couldn't find a 6380SE for less than $150. I'm looking right now for the
case, there are so many out there but I'm going to focus on a 4U case with
120mm fans.

What GPU do you have? I don't plan to purchase it now, but I would love to
be able to play some games sometime in the future.

I'm wondering, which state are you in?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 7:02 PM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:

> On 12/27/2017 04:50 PM, Marco Silva wrote:
>
> > Pretty much any server hardware will work fine, personally I'm running a
> Tyan S7050 motherboard with a couple of E5-2667 V2 CPU's and 64gb of
> samsung ddr 3 ecc ram a couple of ssd's in (fake) raid 0 and 2 AMD gpu's.
> Unless you're pretty paranoid I wouldn't go with really old and slow
> hardware. If you have a decent amount of ddr4 I would look for an AMD Ryzen.
> >
> >
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option
> >
> ME/PSP can't be disabled peroid - that article is inaccurate and the
> "disable" option simply shuts off part of the OS visibility of PSP (the
> PCI device)
> ME cleaner only nerfs ME, the companies like dell, system76 and the
> purism scammers are lying to make more money - ask anyone with serious
> firmware engineering skills it CANT be disabled bottom line.
>
> The Opteron 6386 is faster than your E5-2667 and it lacks the ME/PSP
> virus - it can also play new games at high settings in a VM via IOMMU-GFX.
>
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5-2667+%40+2.90GHz
> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Opteron+6386+SE
>
> If you weren't "pretty paranoid" aka security conscious you wouldn't be
> using qubes would you?
>
> The CIA created the term "paranoid" so that people could say "oh don't
> be a paranoid weirdo" - which was silly as there were so very many
> soviet spies back then so people should have been more paranoid.
>
> On 12/27/2017 04:29 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:48 AM taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would buy the RAM and CPU off of ebay, there is no reason to pay
> >> $80/ea for that ram or $172 for a 6380 ($100 on ebay) you could get a
> >> 6386SE for that price. (needs 140W cooler FYI) No reason to get the
> >> "protection plan" for anything either its a waste of money.
> >>
> >> The cheapest I found the 6380 on ebay is 129.95
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/372177489204 I found cheaper but with higher
> > shipping fee. I wasn't ablet to find a good/cheap 1600 DDR3 sticks. I did
> > find a cheaper board https://www.ebay.com/itm/13244721 I'll buy the
> > board for now and continue looking for the rest. Your help would be
> > appreciated, are you anywhere on irc?
> Don't buy a used board dude get a new one.
> All RAM is the pretty much the same FYI there are only so many OEM's the
> only difference is branding no more "good ram" or "bad cheap ram" these
> days, and when it comes to server RAM ECC will let you know of any
> issues before they cause trouble.


Thx for the tip, yea might not worth the $70 to buy used, I'll keep an eye
out for RAM/CPU on eBay. BTW on the manual of the board, it says that I can
go with <4 or >4 RAM sticks but from what you said so far, it sounded like
I need to fill all the slots, is that necessary? I'm intending to get 8Gb a
stick to fill 64Gb. I don't think I need more than that.


> I am not on IRC but as always you can email me personally for libre
> hardware buying advice.
>
Awesome, thx for the tip.

> Hey I am curious are you from the middle east?
>
> Yes, I'm originally from Lebanon, but I left a decade and half ago. I live
now in the US.

On 12/27/2017 02:49 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > I have a 1U server and it's pretty loud, unusable as a Desktop machine,
> are
> > the 4U also loud? Any suggetions on a specific case?
> >
> 4U always is recommended as you can use larger fans, with decent fans
> and running fancontrol or the OpenBMC firmware on the KCMA-D8 and
> KGPE-D16 they are almost silent and one can watch a film without complaint.
>

Thx for the tip, I'll opt for OpenBMC in that case.


> Coreboot doesn't do fan control so the fans are set at 100% thus one
> needs to either one of those.
>
> On 12/27/2017 09:05 PM, Wael M. Nasreddine wrote:
>
> > I currently have an ASRock Z170 Pro4
> > <https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157635>and an
> > i7-6700k <
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559>
> > and I found it crashing from time to time for no particular reason, I
> might
> > give the AMD Ryzen
> > <
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113447_re=Threadripper-_-19-113-447-_-Product
> >
> > a chance but I'm not sure if it'll work better. I also have my eye out
> for
> > the 2018 XPS 15 laptop which will come with 6 cores CPU; I'm honestly bit
> > lost on what t

Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

I currently have an ASRock Z170 Pro4
and an
i7-6700k 
and I found it crashing from time to time for no particular reason, I might
give the AMD Ryzen

a chance but I'm not sure if it'll work better. I also have my eye out for
the 2018 XPS 15 laptop which will come with 6 cores CPU; I'm honestly bit
lost on what to choose for the best compatibility with Qubes. I prefer a
laptop (if it's strong enough but also has to be light) and I can go with a
Desktop if it would be the most compatible.


On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 1:50 PM Marco Silva 
wrote:

> Pretty much any server hardware will work fine, personally I'm running a
> Tyan S7050 motherboard with a couple of E5-2667 V2 CPU's and 64gb of
> samsung ddr 3 ecc ram a couple of ssd's in (fake) raid 0 and 2 AMD gpu's.
> Unless you're pretty paranoid I wouldn't go with really old and slow
> hardware. If you have a decent amount of ddr4 I would look for an AMD Ryzen.
>
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option
>
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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

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On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:48 AM taii...@gmx.com  wrote:

> I would buy the RAM and CPU off of ebay, there is no reason to pay
> $80/ea for that ram or $172 for a 6380 ($100 on ebay) you could get a
> 6386SE for that price. (needs 140W cooler FYI) No reason to get the
> "protection plan" for anything either its a waste of money.
>
> The cheapest I found the 6380 on ebay is 129.95
https://www.ebay.com/itm/372177489204 I found cheaper but with higher
shipping fee. I wasn't ablet to find a good/cheap 1600 DDR3 sticks. I did
find a cheaper board https://www.ebay.com/itm/13244721 I'll buy the
board for now and continue looking for the rest. Your help would be
appreciated, are you anywhere on irc?

For the cooler I would get the 140W G34 cooler from noctua (needs 4U
> case as it is tall)
>
> PSU make sure you get a good brand with dual EPS12V (not adapters), I
> suggest one that has modular cables.
>
> If you want to have 192GB RAM there is a guide on the coreboot wiki you
> gotta follow to make it work in terms of placement, otherwise I would
> just get 8GB DIMM's and save money if you only want 128GB.
>
> That case will not work, it is ATX and the KGPE-D16 needs SSI-EEB (only
> available on a server case)
> Damn $230 for a crappy ATX case and it isn't even brand new, you could
> get a really nice 4U supermicro server case for that!
>

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: new Desktop build recommendation

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:48 AM taii...@gmx.com  wrote:

>
> I would buy the RAM and CPU off of ebay, there is no reason to pay
> $80/ea for that ram or $172 for a 6380 ($100 on ebay) you could get a
> 6386SE for that price. (needs 140W cooler FYI) No reason to get the
> "protection plan" for anything either its a waste of money.
>
> Oh thanks for the tip, I'll definitely check ebay for the parts.

For the cooler I would get the 140W G34 cooler from noctua (needs 4U
> case as it is tall)
>
> PSU make sure you get a good brand with dual EPS12V (not adapters), I
> suggest one that has modular cables.
>
> If you want to have 192GB RAM there is a guide on the coreboot wiki you
> gotta follow to make it work in terms of placement, otherwise I would
> just get 8GB DIMM's and save money if you only want 128GB.
>
> That case will not work, it is ATX and the KGPE-D16 needs SSI-EEB (only
> available on a server case)
> Damn $230 for a crappy ATX case and it isn't even brand new, you could
> get a really nice 4U supermicro server case for that!
>

I have a 1U server and it's pretty loud, unusable as a Desktop machine, are
the 4U also loud? Any suggetions on a specific case?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: How To Replace Libvirt Drivers

[Wael M. Nasreddine]

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:22 PM Person  wrote:

> On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 11:11:30 PM UTC-5, Wael Nasreddine wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 8:06:27 PM UTC-8, Person wrote:
> > > “In an earlier install, after I got this error, I switched all VMs to
> using pv virt_mode and managed to get `qubes-dom0-update` to run, after
> doing that, I still got the same weird /proc/cpuinfo and lscpu output but
> VMs were booting OK with hvm.”
> > >
> > > How exactly do you switch VMs to using pv virt_mode? The only thing I
> actually want is for the VMs to book correctly, and that would save me a
> lot of trouble.
> >
> > sudo qvm-prefs  virt_mode pv
>
> I tried the command on my only HVM, and I received the message:
> ***Running the tool as root is strongly discouraged, this will lead you in
> permissions problems. Retry as unprivileged user or use "--force-root" to
> continue anyway.
> I wasn't using root user at the time, so I found that strange. And after I
> changed the HVM to pv virt_mode, I got the same virtualization error.
>
> I then tried the command on every single VM. I still received the
> "--force-root" message, but there were no other errors in the command. When
> I submitted the commands, I received lists of information about the VMs.
> And when I changed them to pv virt_mode, I still got the same
> virtualization error.
>
> (If dom0 doesn't say that the command was unsuccessful, it was successful,
> right? Otherwise, I may not have successfully set the VMs to pv virt_mode.)
>
> It seems that we have different versions of Qubes (you have Qubes 4.0 and
> I have Qubes 3.2), so I can see why your method might not work for me.
>
> My apologies, yes I'm running 4.0. My issue is not similar to yours
afterall, as I understand it (never tried R3) it defaults to PV anyway.


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