Inside the fork routing of wires utilizing a th SL connector in the
dropouts of the fork is definitely very cool. But this requires the fork be
built custom. In my opinion, the co-axial connection is far preferable to
the internal wire routing and the dropout connector. The coaxial connector
Or course now I still want a Fitz. After that whole story about not being into
taking all the measurements and lots of talking on the phone (or in person,
it's 30 miles from me) and blah blah blah. It's only money, right?
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Since fitz was mentioned, I’ll throw in a very high recommendationdatuon.
I think riv could’ve basically just offered this as a custom that someone
didn’t want. They told us a bunch of info that we actually didn’t need, and now
we are judging it. Paint blemish, yes, but bottle mounts and weird
I don't think it's necessary to chew people out for reacting to chipped paint.
It's a lot of money and I personally would have had a hard time paying it in
that condition because it's in such a noticeable spot. Which doesn't matter
because some folks aren't as OCD as as I am and one of those
OMG THEY CHIPPED THE PAINT!!! How could they do that?? To a bike that costs
that much?! Talk about fiscal irresponsibility. But let's not talk about
the fact that a frame builder got paid to make a frame, and a painter to
paint it, and the buyer is getting the bike that they wanted, and someone
Planers take note!
Ken has a good reminder to those who may have missed that nuance: the Frank
Jones is the only production Riv to use the lugs and standard gauge tubing
otherwise reserved for the full customs. As far as I know.
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
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I cannot believe that nobody had snapped this up! My Frank Jones is one of my
favorite bikes, the one most likely to have been grabbed for any kind of ride
last year. The Grilver with cream, custom headlugs, standard diameter tubing...
oh my. Beautiful and sublime ride.
Good luck with your
@Dave Small I do not know for sure but I feel like I read it somewhere.
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On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-5, truegolden wrote:
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> About once I month I cycle about 10 miles each way up north of me to help
> an elderly friend.
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> On a particularly busy stretch of road
> with a 40mph speed limit
> (but most do at least 50)
> the few cyclists that
On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 5:17:57 PM UTC-5, truegolden wrote:
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> About once I month I cycle about 10 miles each way up north of me to help
> an elderly friend.
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> On a particularly busy stretch of road
> with a 40mph speed limit
> (but most do at least 50)
> the few cyclists that
The sweater is sold.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 9:07 AM Jay Lonner wrote:
> No takers on a sweater swap, so I'm offering this XXL Cheviot sweater to
> the list before I box it up and return it to Riv to await the next batch.
> $120 shipped.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> On Wednesday,
Dave,
This may not provide a definitive answer to your question regarding filet
brazed BB vs TIG welded, but here's the RBW website's description of MIT
Atlantis construction:
"Underneath, the investment-cast Rivendell lugs and custom drawn Silver
tubes are the same. All frames are brazed
Hi Conway,
I thought the MIT Atlantis had a TIG'd bottom bracket. Are you sure it's
filet-brazed? If yes, was the first batch TIG'd and the new batch
filet-brazed? I was told by an owner of one from the first batch that it
was TIG'd, which is the main reason I didn't buy one.
Dave
Those are all good reasons to go with a Riv custom, Joe. Your last
sentence says it all: "I want it, I want that Riv ride and I have the
money." I don't doubt you'll get a great bike for that money!
Dave
Boston/Indy
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> "I
Rivendell is honest about everything that they do, even when they flub up.
That leaves them open to criticism, but it beats the alternative by a mile.
Other companies screw up, too, but they're more likely to keep mum about
it, or spin it to cover a mistake:
"We just scored a batch of NOS
I will disagree slightly with Steve, but only slightly. Imagine Builder X
had access to a lugged BB shell that was perfect for all the tubes coming
in. All the angles and clearances were perfect. With that hypothetical BB
shell on hand, then functionally, fillet brazing and lugged would be
Patagonia makes climbing knickers:
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I'm about to have both.
My commuter with the old spade clips and wire going down the fork leg:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/KvEhGNafH7NENUbJA
The unconnected length of slack is carefully calculated for me to be able
to carefully pull the wires' clips off the hub's spades in mittens (don't
ask).
"Making" a lug that is not cast from a mold involves a lot of work and
secondary pieces cut and mitered then welded together, probably more work
than fillet brazing.
The Gus and Susie MiT Hillibikes use mostly fillet brazed major tubes
except for the fork crown.
David Lipsky
Berkeley
On
On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 2:07:18 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Trail fall of trees is always an issue over the miles of back trails.
> Years ago, I "upgraded" to a Japanese hand saw (cuts on the back cut, not
> the push cut, allowing for a harder steel that stays sharp a lng
I have a couple pairs of Mountain Hardware 3/4 pants. They are a nice
cotton twill and durable as they are marketed as climbing pants. I bought
them a little too small so I never did wear them. One of these days I'll
loose that last few pounds so I never returned them.
>
> After checking it
When I ordered my first custom in late 1994, I told Grant that I wanted a
road bike somewhat like my 1992 XO-1, 'but better." He said, "Oh, it'll be
better." That Waterford-built 26" wheel road bike was indeed better, but
the 1999 and the almost identical 2003 were far better yet. No measurements
Good point; which I'll carefully consider when talking to the builder.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 1:21 PM Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On the other hand, a non-SL generator hub would work just fine in a fork
> equipped with SL dropouts. You'd just need to run the wires as if the
> SL stuff wasn't
John: I've converted many pairs of good-wool dress pants into knickers by
simply having them cut and hemmed at the right length (I like "plus 8") and
then having velcro sewn on the ends to cinch them under the knee and over
the long sock.
My best pair was a pair of wonderful, medium-thick but
Usually they're used because the "lugged" ones don't allow you to angle
the chain stays enough to provide the clearance to make room for really
wide tires. I'd call that "functionally better".
On 2/28/20 1:11 PM, Conway Bennett wrote:
The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged
On 2/28/20 2:28 PM, George Schick wrote:
Interesting. Never heard tell of such a thing. Seems like you'd need
to be meticulous about keeping both the surface of the dropout and
that matching "plate" that has the cable connected to it very clean
from dirt and grease, though. Or else risk
On 2/28/20 2:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I think I know the answer, but please (y'all) confirm my suspicion:
this plugless (better than "wireless") connection system requires a
particular model of the SON hub, right?
Yes, the Son SL.
My old (2006?) SON -- model made for small wheels but
Why don’t you trace a pattern off the ones you have, add seam allowances, and
sew a pair?
If you don’t know how to sew, there are lots of resources on line or from
library books.
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I think I know the answer, but please (y'all) confirm my suspicion: this
plugless (better than "wireless") connection system requires a particular
model of the SON hub, right? My old (2006?) SON -- model made for small
wheels but installed in a 26" wheel -- will not work with this sort of
in-fork
That's a non-issue for me, I always put the wheel in the way I've lined up the
tabs to meet the wires. Eliminating the disconnect/connect part would be
important enough for me to have my frame redone to get those dropouts.
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They're not really wireless. The wire is concealed inside the fork
blade. Here https://www.instagram.com/p/B8yoBUWFGJ-/ is an Instagram
posting from Peter Weigle showing the making of a number of fork blades
for the Schmidt SL system.
Installation and removal of the front wheel is no
Interesting. Never heard tell of such a thing. Seems like you'd need to
be meticulous about keeping both the surface of the dropout and that
matching "plate" that has the cable connected to it very clean from dirt
and grease, though. Or else risk intermittent, flakey lighting.
On Friday,
That's a very cool feature. Disconnecting/reconnecting wires for wheel removal
is a pain in the patooty.
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On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In yesterday’s newsletter from Rivendell there was a botched custom for
> sale. Will wrote about “newfangled dropouts that allow for wireless dyno
>
The fillet brazed bottom bracket was a $220 additional cost on my custom
(the "swanky" orange one from the previous mailer). It was the best way to
build the frame because they didn't have a bottom bracket lug that exactly
fit the application. My custom didn't even get the custom lugs because
Fillet-brazed joints.
Yes, my custom has a fillet BB, too. I don't know if it's to accommodate the
angles or they just ran out of BB lugs, but I think it's cool so I don't care.
Yes, they will build a complete fillet bike..there was one on the Blahg a while
back built that way, then half faux
"I do see one advantage of ordering from Riv, and that's Grant's input and
oversight. That makes it more likely to ride like a Riv---there's some
insurance there---but it's expensive insurance. Obviously not everyone will
agree with me, 'cause they do sell some customs."
I'm a very specific
The new Atlantis and Crust Nor'easter both are lugged with a filet brazed
bottom bracket. I assume it reduces the cost but is it functionally better,
worse, or the same as a lugged bb shell?
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Normally there are a pair of wires that plug into the dyno hub which must be
disconnected when removing the front wheel. With the right hub and fork ends
the connection is made through the surfaces of the fork ends.
Check the Rene Herse web site
It’s not wireless per se Leah.
The Schmidt SL hub has wireless connectors.
The specific dropout is the connection.
The wiring runs inside the fork.
It has to be built into a custom fork.
It eliminates the need to disconnect any wires when you remove your wheel.
Ray
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I was puzzled by the filet-brazed bottom bracket area. If one orders a
custom, I assumed Riv would make 3 custom lugs for the custom order.
What does Riv normally do for custom bike orders?
Does Riv offer custom bikes entirely filet-brazed? Would it cost less or
more?
John
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In yesterday’s newsletter from Rivendell there was a botched custom for sale.
Will wrote about “newfangled dropouts that allow for wireless dyno lighting”
and I have never heard of such a thing. I know next to NOTHING about dyno,
except that I really, really want it for my upcoming bike because
The Jitensha ones I have are a thicker more loosely woven wool. Sizing may
be tricky but I live nearby so I could try them on. I’d go for the RH and I
have several pairs. Fabric is thin synthetic but is very durable plus they
dry quickly. Wool pants seats can be repaired by sewing ultra suede over
Hi John. The imperfections were the paint chip and a couple of design
details, IIRC.
Yep, it's a healthy discount off the going rate but I think the going rate
is high and I've thought that for years. I love Riv and have bought more
than a few frames, a complete bike, and a lot of parts
Would anyone be interested in this frame for a lower price? I don’t want to
take too big of a loss, but I hate to sit on it...
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That's a lotta chedda for someone else's blemished custom frame. There's
something perversely decadent about a Riv shop person being able to afford
something like this (in addition to several other Rivs) and then Riv
starting again from scratch to fix a couple minor issues. Only in Rivland I
I know this is contrarian to group sentiment, but yes, how do you botch a
custom? And it goes part and parcel with them periodically finding NOS bikes
and parts in storage. I currently own three Rivs, have sold two, bought even
more than the sum of the frames in parts from them, and have
I'm interested in more info wrt Jitensha and Rene-Herse knickers
(particularly from Eileen!). Not interested in the Zoic or ordering from UK
suppliers but I won't rule out other makers.
Are the Jitensha and RH knickers durable, particularly in high wear areas
like the seat? Any design
I love the Silky saws. I have this Katanaboy 500 and it tears through decent sized logs:https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB002GKB5PQ%2Fref%3Doh_aui_search_detailpage%3Fie%3DUTF8%26psc%3D1=D=1=AFQjCNEkwWPZJ289xhQXCSVB_VT9plgXWAI just picked up a smaller
Bill, thanks for bringing up the tendency among home mechanics to over-tighten
fittings on bikes. I suspect I fall into this group at times, and I’m wondering
if you or other experienced mechanics might offer some other examples like this
one of the grub screw that are frequently found to be
Thank you Bill. Makes sense, and makes me curious about asymmetrical rear
brakes. Huh. Yet another topic to bring up whilst spilling a martini on a
cocktail-party goer.
Cheers. John
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 8:27:16 PM UTC+5:45, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> I remove the grub screws when
Does it strike anyone as odd that they botched two fairly minor but
important details on a custom frame job? and put a chip in the paint? i
guess that's the Riv way ;-) and yeah, looks like it's sold. that's a
relief i'm sure.
On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 5:31:38 PM UTC-5, jeffrey kane
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