[RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-10 Thread Tom Matchak
Yet another way to deal with the alignment of the dropped top tube and the mid-stays. Reynand style mid-stay attachment, no kink, just to swoop. http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/34156114@N05/11348445043/ That's a 60cm frame over 650B wheels. As others have pointed out, that's a pretty high hurdle

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-09 Thread Jan Heine
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:03:09 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: Did all French builders use the TT stays? Peugeot made many women's bikes with a single dropped top tube, but no extra rear stays. In the 1980s, their inexpensive models had the twin diagonal stays, but the more

[RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread BSWP
There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the first I remember seeing where the top/diaga-tube looks to meet its rear counterparts in a clean straight line. On others, and I guess smaller sized frames, the top tube meets the rear tubes with a slight kink. Again, I must not

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Andrew Letton
Maybe it has to do with the angles of available lugs? cheers, Andrew (Painstakingly pecked out on my iPhone; please pardon my brevity and tpyos.) On Jan 8, 2014, at 8:27, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote: There's a picture of a 60cm Betty Foy on Riv's blug, and it's the first I remember seeing

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Tim Gavin
I've noticed that kink as well. I also prefer the look of a single diagonal line; that's why the diagatube Bombadil and Appaloosa look so good. According to Sheldon Brown et al, in a true mixte frame the diagonal element is actually two stays from rear dropout to head tube. Has Riv ever

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Shoji Takahashi
The 55cm demo (congrats on getting it, Michael!) has the no-kink geometry, compared to the 50cm demo (kinky). I used to think the kink detracted from the look... but my mind's now used to the look, and the 55cm no-kink looks to be the outlier! I also think large frames w/o TT or diagatubes

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Dan McNamara
Yah, the 55 Cheviot shares the kink. At least it looks that way from the posted pics. I have gotten used to look as I have to see the 50 Betty in the garage every day. But I do prefer the straight line. Dan -Marin On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread EGNolan
It definitely looks as though they use the same lugs (for cost savings I assume), which just means the tubes, because of varying lengths, though at similar angles, meet at different points. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Leslie
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 12:46:28 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote: For fabricating a true mixte, the limitation is the lug-- Riv would have to use a different headlug and seat lug () or perhaps do a filet braze to the headtube? I think Liesl mentioned that her custom Appaloosa will

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
Leslie I thought the same thing, but when I went back in the BLUG, that special lug you are referring to is a seat lug, with the seatpost clamp and everything. Two different lugs. Here's the famous one:

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Philip Williamson
Sheldon does not appear to support his true mixte definition, except the implicit support of Sheldon says so. For the most part, that's enough for me, but does anyone have a French source to differentiate solid-tubed step-through frames as being not a mixte? I always wondered if it was a sly

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
Quote from Sheldon (AASHTA): According to Sheldon, a mixte is: A style of lady's http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_l.html#ladys frame in which the top tube http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ta-o.html#toptube consists of a pair of small diameter tubes running more-or-less straight from the

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread tarik saleh
Yeah, the true mixte vs not true mixte thing is just a dumb distinction. Mixte is not french for a step through frame with twin laterals. There is no better name for the style of bike with a top tube hitting mid seat tube, and it is used interchangeably by most people for a true twin lateral vs

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Joe Bunik
ceci n'est pas une Bombadil: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/4494454218/ On 1/8/14, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Quote from Sheldon (AASHTA): According to Sheldon, a mixte is: A style of lady's http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_l.html#ladys frame in which the top tube

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
Fo-Sheezy, Joe Breezy On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:21:50 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: ceci n'est pas une Bombadil: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/4494454218/ On 1/8/14, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Quote from Sheldon (AASHTA): According to

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Joe Bunik
it is a little bit Breezy, now that you mention it! http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/4899070155/ On 1/8/14, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Fo-Sheezy, Joe Breezy On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:21:50 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote: ceci n'est pas une Bombadil:

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Leslie
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 3:39:01 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Leslie I thought the same thing, but when I went back in the BLUG, that special lug you are referring to is a seat lug, with the seatpost clamp and everything. Two different lugs. Here's the famous one: or maybe you are

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Leslie
Oh, and while talking mixtes, here's a bike that brought me around to thinking about them http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/2349587723/mountain-mixte-custom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Philip Williamson
Aha. I didn't keep the allowable variant mixte style in my mind. This not a mixte (ATS): http://www.biketinker.com/2012/fine-bikes/state-of-the-steyr-3-15-12/ (no third set of stays) This IS a mixte: http://www.biketinker.com/2012/fine-bikes/state-of-the-belleville-3-21-12/ (twin tubes +

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread Philip Williamson
I agree. I recall the heated debates over fixed gear vs fixed wheel, as well as the Singlespeed is a misnomer, since they go many speeds! and Don't call it a fixie! controversies. I reject those on slightly different grounds, though. You undermined your whole position, though, by reminding me

Re: [RBW] Mixte frame design question

2014-01-08 Thread sameness
Speaking of fixed gear, now that I've got my correspondence course diploma on a frame I couldn't give away 10 years ago, I'd say my circle is almost complete. Jeff Ix-nay on the Mix-tay Hagedorn Warragul, VIC Australia . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google