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Thanks for this. I'm rebuilding my Redwood as a 700c road bike (think 38mm Barlow Pass tires will fit) and already have a Shimano 8-speed cassette and derailleur. I'd just need to add Campy 10-speed shifters and it'd work. I've been looking at options and it looks like Campy redesigned the

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Barlow Pass tires are currently installed on my Redwood and it's a nice ride with them. No room for fenders, though. On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 7:50 AM, David Banzer wrote: > Thanks for this. I'm rebuilding my Redwood as a 700c road bike (think 38mm > Barlow Pass tires will

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For Winter riding with gloves or mittens, brifters can be difficult to use. In my case Campy ergos, or Shimano brifters. Never used SRAM stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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I have bikes set up with downtube shifters, bar ends, thumb shifters, trigger shifters, one bike with twist-grips, and my cross bike has always run Shimano 10-speed brifters (currently Ultegra). Each has strengths and weaknesses, but for bikes I use mostly on the road, I am most partial to

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A good rando always carries a spare shifter cable! I do! On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 12/21/2015 09:55 AM, Brian Campbell wrote: >> >> >> I did a 200k with the downtube shifting with no ill effects. On a >> subsequent ride, one rider broke a

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I always just looked down at my cassette to see where I was, when I ran brifters. Actually, I do that with bar ends also, just a quick glance. On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Ron Mc wrote: > I do have a question about brifters. On both my thumbies, and bar-end > friction

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On 12/21/2015 02:14 PM, Jim Bronson wrote: A good rando always carries a spare shifter cable! I do! Thing is, if you get unlucky the cable breaks and leaves little shards stuck inside the gears in the shifter mechanism. Getting them means a near disassembly, and several hours of work by

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On 12/21/2015 05:20 PM, Mark Reimer wrote: On the oregon outback I ran into a guy on an Elephant NFE who was running 11-speed Campy athena brifters (aka the nice silver brifters) with a Shimano 11-36 TEN speed cassette and XT derailleur. By attached the cable at a slightly differently

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Ah, this is what it was called - Hubbub, after Hubbub cycles. http://www.ctc.org.uk/cyclists-library/components/transmission-gears/derailleur-gears/shimergo#Shimergo On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Curious anybody know the pull ratios for Shimano

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Curious anybody know the pull ratios for Shimano 9, 10 & 11 and Campy 10 & 11? On Dec 21, 2015 2:23 PM, "Steve Palincsar" wrote: > > > On 12/21/2015 05:20 PM, Mark Reimer wrote: > >> On the oregon outback I ran into a guy on an Elephant NFE who was running >> 11-speed Campy

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On 12/21/2015 05:53 PM, Jim Bronson wrote: I like the ergonomics of the way the Campy hoods attach to the bars, but I don't like the thumb operated Campy downshift mechanism. I prefer the Shimano style, but that method is probably patented. How do you feel about SRAM's Double Tap approach?

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I didn't mind the thumb tab on my 8 speed Campy Ergos (but I don't like them for triple cranks, so they came back off my Riv). I prefer Campy's lever-and-thumb system to Shimano's moving brake lever. Ugh. Now that I'm getting used to the SRAM Rival 10s Double-tap shifters on my Foundry Auger, I

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Or in mittens when it's freezing. On Dec 21, 2015 2:59 PM, "Mark Reimer" wrote: > I love that thumb tab because you can also click it with your pinkie > finger when your hands are on the 'tops'. > > > On Dec 21, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:

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On the oregon outback I ran into a guy on an Elephant NFE who was running 11-speed Campy athena brifters (aka the nice silver brifters) with a Shimano 11-36 TEN speed cassette and XT derailleur. By attached the cable at a slightly differently location on the bolt, he was able to get perfectly

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I've never ridden SRAM brifters. Not requiring the usage of the thumb would be preferred for me, but I've only tried it on a stand at the Hotter N Hell 100 expo. Seems logical, but I guess I'd have to see how well I got used to it in practice. It seems like downshifting would be similar to

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Sweet! And a big thank you!! On Dec 21, 2015 2:32 PM, "Mark Reimer" wrote: > Ah, this is what it was called - Hubbub, after Hubbub cycles. > > > http://www.ctc.org.uk/cyclists-library/components/transmission-gears/derailleur-gears/shimergo#Shimergo > > On Mon, Dec 21,

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I love that thumb tab because you can also click it with your pinkie finger when your hands are on the 'tops'. > On Dec 21, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Jim Bronson wrote: > > I like the ergonomics of the way the Campy hoods attach to the bars, > but I don't like the thumb

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There's no arguing that Shimano STI brifters are difficult to repair, whether to remove broken cable or to deep clean in order to get them shifting properly again. I did it about 15 years ago, successfully, and I did my right one recently with the help of some excellent YouTube instructions.

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I like the ergonomics of the way the Campy hoods attach to the bars, but I don't like the thumb operated Campy downshift mechanism. I prefer the Shimano style, but that method is probably patented. On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Mark Reimer wrote: > On the oregon

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The thing about the last two generations of Shimano STI stuff, with the shift cables routed along the bar under the tape, is that they are extremely sensitive to cable friction, so much so that the 11 speed stuff is specified with special polymer-coated shift cables and according to Shimano,

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On 12/21/2015 08:08 AM, Ron Mc wrote: I do have a question about brifters. On both my thumbies, and bar-end friction shifters on my moustache-cockpit bike, I get a quick visual index to what gear I'm in from the shifter position. Do brifters offer any feedback like that? i.e., is there a

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On 12/21/2015 08:05 AM, Ron Mc wrote: I've never even considered clipless pedals. Still on the first year of my first ever index-shift bike (9-speed thumbies). I chased my friends on their tandem for 30 miles yesterday (it was a good workout, and I left them behind for the last 4 miles).

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

I do have a question about brifters. On both my thumbies, and bar-end friction shifters on my moustache-cockpit bike, I get a quick visual index to what gear I'm in from the shifter position. Do brifters offer any feedback like that? i.e., is there a way to tell what gear you're in by

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

I've never even considered clipless pedals. Still on the first year of my first ever index-shift bike (9-speed thumbies). I chased my friends on their tandem for 30 miles yesterday (it was a good workout, and I left them behind for the last 4 miles). Watching him bar-end (index) shift on the

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On 12/21/2015 10:57 AM, William deRosset wrote: >Right hand Shimano STI levers - especially those with the cable exiting >sideways - are known for eating shifter cables. Dear Steve, The current generation (6800;9000;5800) 11-speed shimano shifters reportedly eat cables faster than the 8/9s

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>Right hand Shimano STI levers - especially those with the cable exiting >sideways - are known for eating shifter cables. Dear Steve, The current generation (6800;9000;5800) 11-speed shimano shifters reportedly eat cables faster than the 8/9s stuff ever did. The cables are now

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I have Campy Athena ergo levers on my Gios Torino Super Record, same cables for about five years. My riding season is shorter here so consider that, but the ergo levers were really a 'set it and forget it' system. I didn't even have in-line cable adjusters. They never went out of alignment ONCE,

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Kind of a cryptic question, but. Our 30 miles was from their house, neighborhood rolling hills, onto a major thoroughfare to access a paved greenway path for the bulk of the ride. The greenway is twisty and up and down bluffs following a creek (flood zone) - part of it was also along a bike

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I have used Shimano Ultegra and Tiagra level brifters, as well as, Campy 8 Speed Ergo power. All worked fine. I have currently switched my bikes back to indexed downtube shifters. (10 speed Dura Ace on my Hilsen and 7 Speed Shimano, on my Woodrup). Having learned to ride on downtube shifters, I

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On 12/21/2015 09:54 AM, Ron Mc wrote: Kind of a cryptic question, but. Our 30 miles was from their house, neighborhood rolling hills, onto a major thoroughfare to access a paved greenway path for the bulk of the ride. The greenway is twisty and up and down bluffs following a creek (flood

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On 12/21/2015 09:55 AM, Brian Campbell wrote: I did a 200k with the downtube shifting with no ill effects. On a subsequent ride, one rider broke a drive side shifter cable using Shimano brifter. Eventhough he had a replacement, getting the broken cable out of the shifter proved difficult.

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

Late to the party as is my penchant. Back in 2012 I drank the Kool-aid and sold my carbon race bike. I went with a Hilsen outfitted with noodle drop bars and the fancy TRP drilled brake levers. At around the same time I acquired a 1984 Trek 660 from list member Chris down Sanger, Texas way. It

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

I changed from DT shifters to Campy ergos on a couple of my bikes. I like them a lot. For fast clubs rides, brifters are best, as the shifts are quicker, requiring little hand movement. I do like the simplicity and elegance of DT shifters. I have bar-ends on my Hilsen which I also like. I ride

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

It's more a point of aesthetics and nostalgia for me. When I started seriously riding again in 2006 I bought a bike that came with brifters. Loved 'em. When I built up my Hillborne in 2010 I installed bar end shifters, mostly because my aunt had a 10 speed when I was a kid that had bar end

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On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 6:08:28 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > "Brifter" is a mashup of BRake lever and shIFTER. I'm pretty sure it was > invented by Grant, and not intended to be a denigrating label. It's simply > a way to call them something without using "STI" or a long phrase

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All the time. Although I'm more tempted by the gevenalles than actual brifters -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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I use Ultegra 6800 11 speed group on my Roadeo and I cannot fault that groupset at allnot at all. On a touring bike, one where I actually am going to use it on tours more than a day or two bike camping, I would go with a bar end or even downtube just for simplicity and ability to repair on

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On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 11:54 AM, iamkeith wrote: > > > I'll say this though: The comfort/ergonomics of most brifters, including > the one you linked, is *vastly* superior to any lever-only design out > there, that I've found. The hoods themselves are large enough that

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On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:54 AM, iamkeith wrote: > I have one set, of Ultegra STI 9 speeds on my RB-1. I do like them, but > mostly for variety's sake. It's kind of fun to have one bike upon which > regular and frequent shifting is part of the ride experience. If I had

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In high heat and humidity and sweating profusely I either wear some basic cotton sweat-wrist bands and/or carry thin cotton or microfiber cloths with me . I pretty much keep one in hand or both hands while riding . I sometimes start with a wet one and it's quite refreshing to wipe your face

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My experience is the opposite. I've never worn out 9 speed 105 or Ultegra brifters, but I go through a set of bar ends every year. On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: > I like them a lot. I didn't go out of my way to get some, but they came on

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

Personally, I prefer the term dual-control lever. And while I love them -- loved Shimano 9, loved Campy Record 10 -- I didn't like Shimano 10 and haven't been able to settle on a choice for a new set. I hate telling myself how much I like D/T shifters. I mean, I'm already a grouch but still

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"I'll say this though: The comfort/ergonomics of most brifters, including the one you linked, is *vastly* superior to any lever-only design out there, that I've found" Another notable exception is SRAM. The S500 brakelevers are brifters with the guts ripped out. They are still very heavy

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I agree about the Silver bar-end for triple cranks. My highly eccentric Bike Friday cockpit is a SOMA mustache-like bar (Ergon grips, I don't use the curved portion) with a Shimano Sora brifter for the rear and Silver bar-end for the front. My Itty bitty hands struggle to make front shifts by

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When I used brifters more often, I did simultaneous shifts all the time, especially when transitioning from the big ring to the middle ring. I'd hit the button on both brifters to go to a smaller ring on both front and back, and it would be a perfect transition every time. Well ok one time I

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I think the reason i use "brifter" is because I'm too lazy to type out "dual control lever". Perhaps if we used an acronym? DCL? "I decided to go with DCL instead of bar-ends" perhaps? On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Eddie Flayer wrote: > tongue in cheek, but to some

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> > I'm a late adopter (like many on this list, I am sure) and have never used > brifters, but I like reading about others' experiences. One question: what > is the beef with the term "brifter"? Always getting educated on this list, 1x8, shifting with a bar end and never really tempted by

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I think brifters are great if I am riding on the hoods. With any other position the advantage/ convenience compared to BEs is negligible (and maybe advantage BE). That said, I almost always ride on the hoods on my roadish bike. Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are

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tongue in cheek, but to some degree I think the term Luddite is apropos in this conversation. Of course bar ends and downtubes are just fine, but the dual control lever is a work of engineering art all to itself. Maybe we should call them paddle shifters. Me thinks a great invention. To each

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If you want to try it out I have an 10 speed Tiagra group I might be able to ship to Texas for 150 or so. - Ryan > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

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I've got a bike with Shimano Ultegra 6800 11-speed shifters and they are really nice. Light touch and shifts great. Haven't had them more than 18 months so I can't comment on durability. I have had some Campy Veloce 10-speed shifters in a shimergo setup for more the 4 years and they have a more

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

Dear Jim, Tempted? Nah. I just use 'em when appropriate. I either use downtube shifters (7s friction and 10s indexed) or Ergo/doubletap levers (10s). On my long-distance bike, I actually use the Campagnolo 10s shaped levers and (10s) downtube shifters, as on longer events, or on extended day

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

I have one set, of Ultegra STI 9 speeds on my RB-1. I do like them, but mostly for variety's sake. It's kind of fun to have one bike upon which regular and frequent shifting is part of the ride experience. If I had to choose or only had one bike, I still like simple, separate shift levers of

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Sure, I have one Campy Ergo bike, '05 with nice power ratchet front shifting. Rebuildable, triple friendly. Variety is good, keeps your mind from following ruts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

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I have used Ultegra 9speed that I didn't like much for their hand shape, or lack thereof. I switched to Campy 11 speed that matches perfectly with Shimano 9 speed derailer and cassette. I like them a lot in spite of my aversion to Campy in general. But when I get on my LHT with downtube

Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

"Brifter" is a mashup of BRake lever and shIFTER. I'm pretty sure it was invented by Grant, and not intended to be a denigrating label. It's simply a way to call them something without using "STI" or a long phrase like "integrated brake/shift lever." -- You received this message because you

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Another brifter fan here (although I dislike the term). When I returned to riding in 1994 after a long hiatus, STI made such a positive difference in my comfort and confidence on the bike. I see no reason to give that up as long as I'm using drop bars. My experience is solely with Shimano

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

I like them a lot. I didn't go out of my way to get some, but they came on a used bike I bought. And, they're great! Especially for spirited off-road riding, when you're in the drops and don't want to let go of your grip to move your hand. Amazing in that application! But they do wear out

[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

If you like click-shifting bar-ends, I see no reason not to try brifters. Those Shimano levers have a nice shape for riding on the hoods, and you might like not having to reach back to shift. A lot of RivBobs like bar-ends, but there's a reason there's so many brifters on the road. Check 'em

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I've converted to brifters, and I won't look back. I've had Shimano STI, Campy Ergo and SRAM DoubleTap. Currently have Campy and SRAM in my stable, and I prefer the SRAM DoubleTap ever so slightly over Campy Ergo. I didn't like Shimano STI as much... Both the Campy and SRAM hoods are very