Respectfully .. you are making the errant assumption that to ride
with an Alba bar(or Moustache or similiar) he/she is riding bolt
upright. What is bolt upright anyways 90 degrees? That's really
hard to do. Your actual position on the bike depends on the TT length
and the stem used. To
the most for hill training rides.
Bruce
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Drop Bars vs. Non-drops
Respectfully .. you are making the errant assumption
and ride in a city renown
for its hilly terrain (and a long, sweeping bridge).
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Respectfully
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
For me the idea that you need to be hunched over to ride effectively
has been busted. It may be fine and necessary for racing, but even
racers don't ride like this for long periods, and they are paid to go
fast.
Are you saying that
A-bars were fine for climbing. I found the lack of leverage while holding
the brakes during descents to be fatiguing.
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
Respectfully .. you are making the errant assumption that to ride
with an Alba bar(or Moustache or
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 8:20:34 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Drop Bars vs. Non-drops
Respectfully .. you are making the errant assumption that to ride
with an Alba bar(or Moustache or similiar) he/she is riding bolt
upright.
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On Aug 29, 9:59 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you saying that riding in the hooks on low bars is bunched up?
If so, you are doing what you criticize the other for: making
unwarranted assumptions and playing straw man (that's two fallacies).
A low bar, butt back position
I ride a very wide Surly 1X1 Flat bar with bar ends and a Cinelli Spinachi
aero on my Sam. I just realized several years ago that I almost never used
the drops. I spent better than 90% of my time on the brake hoods. The
argument for more hand positions is sort of moot if that is the case. I've
That's the argument for raising the bars. Get them up high enough so that
the drops are closer to the seat height and more usable. Looks kinda' odd,
but leads to happy necks!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4737478946/in/set-72157602592825848/
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Fai
Hey David, That looks cool ... the dirt drop stem kind of flows to
the bars. . . . it matches well.
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On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 29, 9:59 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you saying that riding in the hooks on low bars is bunched up?
If so, you are doing what you criticize the other for: making
unwarranted assumptions and playing
Hi. Does anyone have experience with the Jitensha and Albatross bars,
and if so, could you comment on differences between the two?
Thanks,
David Sprunger
Fargo, ND
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:03 PM, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
Check out the Jitensha flat bar (by Nitto). It's a great flat
Life has a way of throwing forks in the road you never knew were
there.
I used to ride all drops, except my mtb bike. I was all about
efficiency while riding trying to go as far as I could as fast as
I could. Then, something happened that I could no longer ride without
severe pain. I gave
Hi. Does anyone have experience with the Jitensha and Albatross bars,
and if so, could you comment on differences between the two?
I have both bars. The Jitensha are great - and look great as well.
They are less versatile than the Albatross. They need to be paired to
the correct bike. If
Garth,
I am the same way. I tore ligaments in my right leg several years ago. It
causes me to walk with a limp, I have a permanently sprained ankle. I can't
do the triathlon thing anymore. I had to get off the bike for nearly 4
years. I was told to sit on my butt, lift the leg and let it heal.
Well thank you. It looks a touch awkward compared to the standard bicycle
(MCRB) of today. But works really well for off road riding. You can kinda'
see the idea behind getting them high here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4576760855/ If they're too low,
it's not only uncomfortable
I actually would rather have albatross, flat bar/bar end combo or a
mustache than drop bars. I don't like using brifters and find most
drop bars too skinny, plus I don't like to ride in the drops so the
bars aren't for me. The wider the better for me.
I can't say I have ever wanted drop bars
Actually, of course, hawks and eagles do worry about aerodynamics.
That's why they pull in their wings and hunker down when they're
diving - which argues for drop bars - but stick their wings out as far
as they'll go when they're just touring - clearly an argument for the
albatross.
Thanks all for
Bars are much like saddles: what suits one person may not suit
another. (He said sententiously.)
I was thinking about these varying tastes yesterday when riding my two
Rivs (not both at the same time: drove daughter to school; parked
disreputable van in school lot -- btw, I am soliciting
Aero all the
way!http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2009/07/alberto_contador_of_spain_wearing_the_overall_lead_1055291014.jpg
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:00 AM, kevin lindsey lindsey.ke...@gmail.comwrote:
Actually, of course, hawks and eagles do worry about aerodynamics.
That's why they pull in
I want a set of those for off road.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:34 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Aero all the way!
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On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 11:00 -0700, kevin lindsey wrote:
Actually, of course, hawks and eagles do worry about aerodynamics.
That's why they pull in their wings and hunker down when they're
diving - which argues for drop bars - but stick their wings out as far
as they'll go when they're just
Not only do tourists descend -- not that descending in a hurry is such a
big thing for a tourist -- but they also climb. Here, drop bars have it
all over albatross or any other upright bar.
Perhaps. Although here is an experienced tourer who toured the
Himalayas where I understand there are
On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 15:22 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote:
Not only do tourists descend -- not that descending in a hurry is such a
big thing for a tourist -- but they also climb. Here, drop bars have it
all over albatross or any other upright bar.
Perhaps. Although here is an experienced
I think there are so many variances in people's preferred position
while climbing ,let alone all riding , that one cannot say this or
that bar is better for climbing.
We are human , and we are flexible to different degrees.
If only it was the bar or my position that could get more oxygen
Talk about touring heavy! Note, I said upright bar I did not say
flat bar. Looks like he's got a fair amount of drop between the bar
and the seat height, and for all we know, he could be fairly stretched
out on that rig, MTB fashion, rather than the sort of upright position
an albatross or
On Sat, 2010-08-28 at 16:07 -0700, Garth wrote:
I think there are so many variances in people's preferred position
while climbing ,let alone all riding , that one cannot say this or
that bar is better for climbing.
We are human , and we are flexible to different degrees.
If only it was
Another reason that you need to be able to get out over the front of
the bike is that some hills are steep enough that the front tire will
leave the road unless you can counter that somehow with your upper
body.
Also, if your weight is too far forward, your back tire can lose
traction on surfaces
the oft-debated h bar
subjective experiences lead to subjective opinions, try them out and find
what works for you.
i thought i'd hate the albatross, but it's the bar i ride everyday and on
the right setup (more gears) would be a great hill climber.
i opt for variety.
erik
On Sat, Aug 28,
I use Albatross bars for touring and am very happy with them.
Drops are very popular among the U.S. touring crowd. European, South
American and Asian cycle tourists are far more likely to use swept
back bars (many of which are similar but inferior to Albatross) and
even straight bars for
On Aug 27, 2010, at 5:43 AM, kevin lindsey wrote:
Question I have for the group is whether there are ever times
when you wished you had drop bars instead of non-drops.
Every time I've ridden a bike without drop bars for more than a mile.
In other words, are there clear advantages of one
Even if one never get into the drops, a drop bar gives one numerous
hand positions - tops, ramps, hoods, side of the ramps and so forth.
With Albatross bars or mostache-type bars (particularly if the center
of the bar is loaded with computers, lights and other gadgets), one is
basically limited to
Kevin, this is pretty much one of those things that you just have to
do and find out for yourself. Every type of handlebar has positives
and negatives associated with it. If you do get some A-bars, I would
recommend getting the steel ones and the long tall Technomic (non-
dlx) stem. Those two
I look at the Alba/Moustache/Noodle as a range of bars for a range of
positions.
My Alba bike is a Kogswell P/R with fenders and a front basket for
commuting and trips to the market. Although I can use the front of
the bar to get more aero, it is only for brief periods, and mostly I'm
sitting
My Ram, and QB have drop bars, Noodles, as they are road/ bike path
bikes, and anything longer than 2 hours I need multiple hand
positions. I'm also riding at higher speeds, and being aero is more
important than when I'm touring or going to work.
Reiteratint that bars are a personal choice -
You just gotta try Albatross bars to know for yourself. They are
fun . I love the 56cm width. and there is no drop bar that wide! I
had some 52cm dirt Drop bars, but they were only 46cm at the brakes,
so I gifted them to another.
You don't have to limit your hand positions at all!! I have
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
Aerodynamics? That's just mind worry. Do you think the Hawk or the
Eagle or any other bird worries about aerodynamics ? They just do
what they do without concern for those around them.
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Check out the Jitensha flat bar (by Nitto). It's a great flat
handlebar with a moderate backsweep. Perfect for brisk rides around
town where sitting up a little bit is more fun.
I'm all for drops for long or fast rides; gives lots of hand/body
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Hey Patrick .. I'm laughing ! Sometimes the context, depth and
spirit of what we write gets lost in this very limited form of
communication we call the written word. Well . probably most of
the time it does !
I don't mean to offend anyone here. I may ... but I can't control
that.
No offense at all; I suppose you were playing on Albatross the bird
and Albatross the bar, and I thought it was funny.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Patrick .. I'm laughing ! Sometimes the context, depth and
spirit of what we write gets lost in
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