[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Thanks Bill. Leaning towards adding a BMC road to the fleet next year. Perhaps I can make it to Point Reyes in 2018. The Road plus seems pretty exciting as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Thanks John... That is good to know about the older 60cm Sam versus the newer (58cm) version. Over the last few months I saw a 60cm Sam for sale and wondered if that was the way to go. I dug up the old geometry charts and decided to just wait, thinking it might be just what you experienced.

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I think the BMC Road is a less-fancy-looking functional equivalent to the Leo Roadini and the Roadeo. I had Mark Abele at Rivendell help me with some minor set-up work on one of my BMC Roads, and he said "this thing is an amazing deal for what you get". The BMC Monster-Cross does compare

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I expect you'll love the Sam. I had a Sam (2009) that was, what I considered, too large for me (a 60cm frame). Even though I was just long of leg enough for the 60cm frame, with my 89 PBH, I felt too stretched out on the long top tube. I could have chosen the (then) 56cm frame. Wish I had done

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Well, decision made here - a 58cm black/cream Sam frame is somewhere, most likely bobbing on the ocean, making its way to me. The decision really hinged, not only on the good advice and info from people, but really on the question of sizing. If my ~89cm PBH fit squarely in the middle of the

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Bill - As a fan of BMC bikes how would you compare the BMC monster cross and road bikes to the Riv frames. Is the Monstercross similar to the Sam and Road to the Roadini? I always appreciate reading your perspective. I think I remember reading you had two BMC Road Bikes. -- You received

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Don’t get me wrong. I agree that a Roadini with 28mm tires, fenders, dynamo lighting, front low rider panniers and a not-huge saddlebag could make an awesome stealth S24O or weekend sport touring rig. I have no doubt I could pull that off. The OP is in Galesburg. The bike I used to have

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

That is my undertanding. The Roadini is a cheaper Roadeo because it’s made in Taiwan, less lugs and sloping top tube so need less sizes. It’s not clear what the tubing difference is but I believe Rivendell mirrors the ride characteristics in terms of geometry. The same goes for the Sam and AHH.

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Twenty five years ago I was racing in the sf Bay Area on a Nobilette built frame with down tube shifters, medium reach brakes and 36 spoke wheels with box section (albeit tubular) rims. In my mind it was a striped down racer then and I would still consider that bike one today. Of course

Re: [RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Patrick, my Roadeo is built up with Campy 10 Speed brifters and lightweight pacenti wheels and supple tires. My Roadini is built up with 8 Speed DT shifters, box rims and 32 pasela tires. So, the comparison is influenced more by components than frame design. I liken the Roadini to the San

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I haven’t raced in over twenty years, but when I did it was not with DT shifters, 32 Paselas, and 36 spoke box rims. So, in my mind the Roadini is not a “stripped down racer.” I can put fenders, lights and a rack on it, but that doesn’t make it a randonnuese or touring bike either. YMMV. --

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

You did describe a Roadini with 35mm tires and since a Roadini can’t take 35mm tires with fenders, I took that to mean no fenders. Roadini is a cool bike. Happy New Year Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Except that A. I did not describe the bike with or without anything. And B. A Roadini can take any or all of these items, as can any other Rivendell. You can have a "stripped down" Homer, Sam, Cheviot, etc. So a specific Roadini might be set up as a "stripped down racing bike" but I do not

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Doesn't the Roadini use some of the same tubes as the Sam? And for the ones that aren't shared, how do they compare with the equivalent Sam tubes? I know a comparison like that, in addition to geometry charts, helps me to know how a frame will ride and perform. -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Mark in Beacon and LBleriot don’t like me calling the Roadini a stripped down race bike. Then they go on to describe using the Roadini with no fenders, no lighting and no racks. A road bike with no fenders, no lights, no racks and no luggage is a stripped down race bike in my book. So we

Re: [RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Gary: sorry if you have answered this before, but: How does the Roadini ride compared to the Roadeo? On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 1:01 PM, LBleriot wrote: > I agree with Mark. I would not describe the Roadini as a “stripped down > race bike’” at least not in the modern racer

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I agree with Mark. I would not describe the Roadini as a “stripped down race bike’” at least not in the modern racer sense. To me, the Roadini is a basic, not too light/ not too heavy road bike. I think of it as a partially lugged San Marcos; maybe a little more sprite. I’ve been riding the

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Well said, Bill. I guess it's similar thinking that has made me want a 64 Sam as a do-it-all, but alas the 64's are no longer an option, which I found out after asking Will at Riv while I was still waiting for the Mega Clem H's to come in. I was thinking back then that a Sam/Clem combo would

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

This is a great thread. I am selling my Gunnar Roadie to a buddy to get into a more spine friendly road bike. I want something with good stack, short reach, and the ability to take wide tires without being a slug. I have a Hunq setup as my commuter, but have debated getting a Roadini or the

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Yes... I think Atlantis is the bike that rules them all. I love mine. It does everything well. It has beautiful lugwork and the s-bend chainstays are pure framebuilder art. On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:32:03 PM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > Not quite the comparison you

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I have not practiced a lot of restraint this past year with buying Rivendell bikes and my n+1 has increased significantly. I currently ride a Joe, Sam and Rambouillet. Though I can’t speak to the Roadini, Will did describe the Ram as very similar to the Roadini but with Lugs. In terms of ride

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Very true. But the OP has a fully lugged Joe. And the Rivs always have enough nice details to stand out from the full-tig crowd. In this case the sexy new seat cluster and of course a lugged fork. Plus you get the pirate-y head badge! On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:15:35 PM UTC-8, Adam

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 3:35:40 PM UTC-5, Jonathan wrote: ..with the Sam I fit right in the middle of the recommended PBH range. On top of that, you get more tire clearance, more braze-ons, and more lugs. I feel like that last bit is important to consider... They're not just any

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I'm not sure I would characterize the Roadini as fulfilling the role of a "stripped down racing bike" at least not in the modern sense (where that term is redundant). With room for 35mm tires and with fender braze-ons, it's more like a regular sport touring bike from the 1960s, 1970s. And that

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Bill speaks wisely. I also bought a Roadini frameset (pre-order frenzy always gets me), even though I also owned a Black Mountain Cycles road bike. Functionally, they are almost identical. If I could do it all over again, I would probably buy a Sam instead of a Roadini for all of the reasons

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I was in a similar situation to you a couple months ago. I have a Joe that I love, but I wanted a Rivendell for longer, faster road rides. I chose to pre-order a Sam mainly because of the sizing issue that you referenced in your other thread. Like you, I have an 89cm PBH. My 58 Appaloosa fits

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Hi Bob, Not quite the comparison you requested, but I have a 55cm Joe appaloosa built up with dropbars, a 60cm saluki (which seems functionally similar to the hillborne) and a 61cm Romulus (which seems functionally similar to the roadini). Their respective weights are 37lbs, 32 lbs and 24lbs

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Thanks Bill! You do remind me of a friend, a co-worker, in Denver. I would have spent far too long overanalyzing something, usually which bike to keep, sell, modify, build a different way, etc. I would tell him of my dilemma, whatever it was, expecting at least a delay in his response while

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne. I have a stipped down racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike. If your application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more like that. Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

Thanks Ed. That helps a lot, as well as the comments from others. Question(s) - From a sizing standpoint, did you fit in the middle of the PBH recommendations for a particular size (of the Roadini) or were you on the outer edge of those recommendations (where you could have gone with either a

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I was in a similar situation: I have a Joe and was looking for "something else" to complement it. I ended up getting a Roadini instead of the Sam since I thought there was too much overlap between the Sam and the Joe. (To be fair, I haven't ridden the Sam.) I peeked at the Roadeo but don't ride

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

That is interesting about the comparison between the Hunq and the Sam. And even though I have not owned a Sam, I can still agree with you on the versatility and do-it-all nature. I feel the same about the Joe, though I know the Joe falls slightly to one side of the rough vs road line, maybe

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

I had a hunqapillar, then I got a Sam hillborne with the intention of doing what you describe. 1 tourish and one fastish. Long story short, Sam never felt much faster than the hunq. It probably was, marginally, but it never felt sprightly. I sold the Sam first. All that said, in my experience,

[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

have not ridden all three but i say get the roadini -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post