I went as far as needed.
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:54 PM George Schick wrote:
> Thanks, Patrick. But you went a wee bit further than I had intended for
> the definition. All's OK though!
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:49:45 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Can't resist. Sandburg's
Thanks, Patrick. But you went a wee bit further than I had intended for
the definition. All's OK though!
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:49:45 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
> Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting
> style of Grant Wood.
>
> Chicago
> BY
Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting
style of Grant Wood.
Chicago
BY CARL SANDBURG
Hog Butcher for the World,
Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
Stormy, husky, brawling,
City of the Big Shoulders:
Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on the
hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
"Hog butcher for the world ..."
Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read Carl
Sandburg.
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick wrote:
>
Calipers can squeal too. I had a pair of to quality -- forged -- single
pivots of which the front squealed only in cold weather -- this with good
condition salmon pads. The same brake and pads had not squealed on an
earlier bike.
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:01 AM Piaw Na(藍俊彪) wrote:
>
>
> On
Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick wrote:
>
>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from? The expression, "...squeal
>> like a stuck pig..." is
On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick wrote:
> Piaw, what part of the country are you from? The expression, "...squeal
> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
> Seems to me like
Piaw, what part of the country are you from? The expression, "...squeal
like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can understand
his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far as I can
tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness (strength,
Disc brakes on this era of Atlantis make me very happy! So good!
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:19:56 PM UTC-8 frank_a wrote:
>
> I used to own this bike. It was a demo that I bought complete from
> Rivendell. I sold it to a forum member and he’s the one who added the
> disc mounts. He
I used to own this bike. It was a demo that I bought complete from
Rivendell. I sold it to a forum member and he’s the one who added the
disc mounts. He listed it for sale not long after that as I remember. I
still have the original unadulterated fork.
- Frank
On Sunday, January 21, 2024
Thanks; yes, I've heard of these; my brother who has ridden them
extensively thinks very highly of them.
I will add them to my short list of tires for a 2nd dirt-surface wheelset
to complement the Soma Supple Vitesse SLs that ride and handle so nicely on
pavement.
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:50 PM
Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel
tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of
conditions and terrains, dry and wet.
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore wrote:
> Or, "baulk."
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM
Or, "baulk."
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore wrote:
> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion.
>
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George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can understand
his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far as I can
tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness (strength,
modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity and ease of
You’d have to ask the previous owner who commissioned this custom fork. But
I would have done it the same way. I appreciate the versatility in having
the option to go full canti or v brake somewhere down the line. And this
way it’s symmetrical.
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:10 PM George Schick
Patrick - I don't think Grant would approve. But everyone has their own
preference. I have a Surly 1x1 with a disc on the front fork and a linear
pull on the rear. The reason for that is because when I first bought it
and had it set up like that it had a fixed/SS flip-flop hub on the rear
I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an
Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they
eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv
Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles
was enough
[I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option
and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most
logical route, it results in a very unique ride!
There are probably lugged frame+forks out there
I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option
and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:
> I picked up this frameset and extras from Bingo a couple months here and
> wanted to share with
That's definitely a 58, going by the size of the wheels (700c). They do
say they measured 56cm center to center, whereas Rivendell uses center to
top.
On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 2:44:24 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
> It’s this one. If it wasn’t an hour each way I’d go check it out
It was originally advertised as a 59cm with a link to the most recent mile
long chainstay geometry.
On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:57 AM Josiah Anderson
wrote:
> That Atlantis is being sold by Second Cycle, a shop that I used to work at
> and have a long connection with. I would be surprised if
That Atlantis is being sold by Second Cycle, a shop that I used to work at
and have a long connection with. I would be surprised if they're measuring
incorrectly. I do see that they're listing the seat tube length center to
center, whereas Rivendell lists their seat tube lengths center to top.
It’s this one. If it wasn’t an hour each way I’d go check it out myself.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bid/d/tacoma-rivendell-atlantis-complete-bike/7617558417.html
On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 8:35:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
> This one? Looks like a 58 to me.
>
>
>
This one? Looks like a 58 to me.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-touring/7618050500.html
On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:46:01 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> What do you think the numbers should be? For sure you can't fake or
> mistake 700c. If it's an
What do you think the numbers should be? For sure you can't fake or
mistake 700c. If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old. The newer ones have the
newer decals and no '2'. If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could
possibly be is a 58. If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn
close
Eliot,
If it is local to you and that's near your preferred size go take a look --
many people do not accurately measure bike frames when selling them. The
joy of a local sale is that you can go look at it ride, it, examine it,
and, if you want, measure it yourself -- all of which will tell
I am so sad I missed this! Happy riding to the new owner.
If anyone else out there is looking to make a similar sale...holler
On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 7:40:25 PM UTC-5 brenpe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Thank you all for your interest in my Atlantis the bike has *SOLD*.
>
Hello Everyone,
Thank you all for your interest in my Atlantis the bike has SOLD.
Cheers,
Bren
> On Aug 16, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Brenden Perella wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just received my 61 Toyo Atlantis and have been currently owning/riding a
> 59cm Atlantis for around 7 months.
To be clear-- this bike has sold, right?
On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 10:07:32 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Gabriel -- looks like it's a bit too small for me. I
> think I'm just a victim of wishful thinking; I'd love to find a used
> Atlantis but I don't want to
Thanks for the reply Gabriel -- looks like it's a bit too small for me. I
think I'm just a victim of wishful thinking; I'd love to find a used
Atlantis but I don't want to sacrifice fit just to finally have one!
On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Hargrove wrote:
> Max,
>
>
I think you're right, that looks like an early Toyo Atlantis "2" with the
pointed head lug and I think those tires say Rat Trap Pass on them.
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:37:43 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
> Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is my
> size.
>
>
Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is my
size.
Ian A Alberta Canada
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:
> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in efforts
> to downsize. This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm
Hey John, I am interested. Do you know what range of PBH this frame would
be appropriate for?
Thanks,
Max
On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:42:09 PM UTC-5 John Carey wrote:
> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in efforts
> to downsize. This is a Toyo built frame,
I asked John about what you are talking about. Not necessarily that the
colors of Toyo were not as impressive than the Waterford but I did notice in
looking at the site that when you look at the last photos on Atlantis, the
colors appear more vibrant versus the older photos. Even when when you
I do not hate the color at all. The greenish blue is nice but I guess I do
not want to be the norm and get a bicycle that has the same color as every
other Atlantis.
K.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.netwrote:
Your favorite color!! I never liked that green
Yeah, agreed. I'm in Seattle, and have only seen one, maybe two other
Atlantis', in my area. The second of the two might have been the same
bike :) It's a taller, 700c version of my '03 51 cm Atlantis. I've
seen this bike (or these bikes) parked outside an office off the B-G
on Gasworks, and at
I saw a black Atlantis frame at Rivendell a few years ago, and
pictures of it built up after. Super-sharp!
Philip
Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com
On Mar 22, 11:53 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not hate the color at all. The greenish blue is nice but I guess I do
not
Agreed. Here's a nice black one I spotted in SF: http://flic.kr/p/77MSSb
-nathan
On Wednesday, March 23, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Philip Williamson wrote:
I saw a black Atlantis frame at Rivendell a few years ago, and
pictures of it built up after. Super-sharp!
Philip
Philip Williamson
She didn't spend anytime at all.. Red is her favorite color and Keven
or Grant one at Rivendell said the legolas red would be perfect for
her.. we said OK.. and it was perfect. :)
Kelly
doug peterson wrote:
Khalid:
It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises. I'm coming up on
8
Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife Dawn.
Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can spew
my male chauvinist pigdom freely.
Kelly
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
I
I know that every person must make up their own minds about such things, but
I have to throw in here that I've seen several standard-colored
Atlantises/Atlanti(?) in the wild in full touring mode, and they are
spectacular looking. I have a great stable of bikes right now, which fit my
current
She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
about getting another color besides the blues green. I like the blue green
color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
something a little different from the pack. I am leaning toward the blue
Your favorite color!! I never liked that green either.
On Mar 21, 2:22 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis. I told him that I
have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me. Now I am trying to figure
out does if I want it another
Just to point out, while the standard atlantis color, you are not
likely to run into very many atlantis while out and about.
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Khalid:
It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises. I'm coming up on
8 years with mine I can recall only once crossing paths with another
one accidently. We had one other guy in our SoCal Riv group with one
but he moved. We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
them :) but
readily catch one's
eye, either.
From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:57 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis
Khalid:
It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises
,
and rear rack holding gear, the glam bits of the Atlantis didn't readily
catch one's eye, either.
From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
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Doug, you have the wrong friends.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32919632@N04/4269441605/#/photos/32919632@N04/4269441605/lightbox/
That's mine in the middle. Right to left are a 53cm, my 56 cm, list member
John Philip's (his picture too) which is a bit larger.
On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:57 PM,
Thomas:
And nicely loaded up, too. The caption could be Atlantises at
work. Maybe I'm hanging with the wrong crowd? They do tend to
agonize about tires...
dougP
On Mar 22, 2:25 pm, Thomas Nezovich t...@cox.net wrote:
Doug, you have the wrong friends.
Guilty as charged.
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We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.
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Khalid,
I remember how much I struggled to choose the color of my Atlantis, but here
is my story... :-)
When I went to Walnut Creek the very first time to see for myself what the
Rivendell concept was all about, they had me test ride a Homer, an Atlantis
and a Sam. I hated the Atlantis color on
Ok, I think Khalid is steered on the right track, and I don't want to
distract from that, but, whilst I've been reading through several of
the comments in this thread, I kept remembering 'em, too, and wanted
to go re-read 'em. So...
Back in August of '09, was this:
I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis. I told him that I
have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me. Now I am trying to figure
out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly Sleeper
fault for showing me that red Atlantis. Now I am trying to figure
what
Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames will
really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars for your
own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which means id be at
the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the
I want to thank everyone for their help on this. I am going nuts now about
finding my PBH. I got my step father to read another one again and got 86.5
cm. Ugh. I have to ask my brother if he will do it for me again which he
got 85cm. I just want a little consistency. LOL. I got my tax refunds
Just want to reply that I like how your bicycle is set up Rene even the
saddle. I have read that the new Berthoud Gilles Saddles are comfortable
although some people think it is kind of cheap that they have that plastic
under there. Even though that is the case, there hasnt been any reports
that
Hi Khalid,
I think the Berthoud saddle is worth it's cost. It's certainly more
comfortable and there are absolutely no issues with the plastic bottom. In
fact, it's almost invisible with a saddlebag. I've also heard a lot of
complaints regarding durability with the newer Brooks saddles. Anyway,
FWIW, Wallingford has a FANTASTIC return/exchange policy on saddles,
might want to look them up if you're not sure on the saddle:
http://wallbike.com/catalog/saddles/berthoud-leatherline-saddles
On 3/20/11, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Khalid,
I think the Berthoud saddle is
I
On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Philip Williamson wrote:
+1 on call them. I bought my Quickbeam over the phone, and I love
it. John asked me how big a tire I planned to use, and how I intended
to ride it (biggest tires, + trail-riding), and suggested the 60cm,
even though my 85cm saddle height
Thanks for the chart. It seems that if I subtract 2 inch from my PBH, a 58
cenimeter bicycle is about right in terms of standover since it gives me
close to 2 inches of clearance from the neather region but subtracting 10 to
11 cm from the PBH is about 4 inches. So maybe I need a 56 inch frame
I check it. I am either getting a 58cm frame or a 61 cm frame. I wont know
until I talk to them.
K.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:
on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.
Khalid
I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you.
Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance.
It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance
liberates you to go bigger. It also depends somewhat on who you talk
to. I'm
Also think about what tires you plan to use. The Atlantis is intended
for 35 mm to 52 mm widths. With most tires, the diameter increases
along with the width. Actual width can vary from nominal. I have
always used 35 mm width and Pasela, T-serv and Schwalbe have all
measured different, even
peterson dougpn...@cox.net
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Also think about what tires you plan to use. The Atlantis is intended
for 35 mm to 52 mm widths. With most tires, the diameter increases
On 3/17/11, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
If you are looking at an Atlantis, then you are likely in tune with
the Riv philosophy. That may not be necessarily true if you were
looking at a Roadeo for instance. The folks have many decades
experience fitting thousands of mostly happy folks to
Hello Khalid, as others noted, definitely call and talk it over with
the staff at Rivendell. They know their bikes better than anyone
else! They will most likely recommend a size larger than what you
would consider, but 90% of the time they are spot on. You may wonder
about that other 10%. I
Call them. And do the re-measure at least twice. I measured
incorrectly at least that many times, shorting myself a couple of
centimeters, but was instructed by Riv staff to try again, due to the
apparent discrepancy between my height and alleged pbh.
In the end, I wound up with an Atlantis a
We can try to help you as we have a decent cross-section of heights
+pbh on this list but it's always helpful to get a ride. if you're in
a decent east coast city you should be able to find an owner to let
you test ride. there are also some bikes that are similiar in
philosophy that can help.
I don't know where on the east coast you are but Harris Cyclery in
West Newton, Mass has, or had the last time I was there, several
Atlantis' in stock.
GeorgeS
On Mar 17, 8:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about
+1 on call them. I bought my Quickbeam over the phone, and I love
it. John asked me how big a tire I planned to use, and how I intended
to ride it (biggest tires, + trail-riding), and suggested the 60cm,
even though my 85cm saddle height indicated I would want a road-only
Riv in a 62 or 64.
So -
Khalid:
Welcome to the group. Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
Rivendell, and follow their advice.
I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
Rivendell models. Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there,
Khalid:
What size(s) are you considering? The 58 61 have some overlap in
PBH seat height. Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
anything larger than a 58. I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem it's
been perfect. FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
unpacked mine. I just
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
Khalid:
What size(s) are you considering? The 58 61 have some overlap in
PBH seat height. Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
anything larger than a 58. I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem it's
been
Khalid,
I don't know where on the east coast you are but Harris Cyclery, in
the Boston area, is a Rivendell dealer.
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rivendell/rivendellpageNEW.html
On Mar 17, 8:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
I am new to this forum and I have a
I am going to call them. I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying a
bicycle that I have not tested. The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
years ago. I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike. Still ride it
today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell. They do not have the
sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore. I am about the same height as
you. I am 5'-10/2 with an inseam of 32 inches (at least that is what I buy
in pant sizes). Maybe I need a 58. My PBH is around 88cm.
On Fri, Mar
on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell. They do not have the
sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.
Yonder:
http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size
I'm in New Jersey as well but I'm shorter (pbh of 80) and have a Sam
H. (52) so that won't help you. Here is a pdf of specs. for Atlantis
and other bikes.
http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf
Norman
On Mar 18, 1:01 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
I do
So you are here! There goes all my credibility...
On Mar 18, 9:42 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
Khalid:
What size(s) are you considering? The 58 61 have some overlap in
PBH seat height. Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
anything larger than a 58. I went with
On Mar 18, 1:01 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
I am 5'-10/2 Maybe I need a 58. My PBH is around 88cm.
I would bet Rivendell recommends a 61.But do call them and let us
know what you ended up with.
And anyway, I think people fret a little too much about 1-2 cm
You have gotten lots of good advice. I would add one thought; Riv
measures their bikes CTC, which actually makes them about 1 CM smaller
than most other bike companies, which measure CTT. It also depends on
where you want the handlebars in relation to the saddle. I think
Grant assumes even to 2
On Mar 18, 3:35 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
You have gotten lots of good advice. I would add one thought; Riv
measures their bikes CTC, which actually makes them about 1 CM smaller
than most other bike companies, which measure CTT.
No they don't. I don't mean to be abrupt (I just
Khalid:
Have a look at this link to an old Atlantis sizing chart:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/atlflyer/04.html
I have two Atlantis catalogues with sizing charts. They are not dated
so don't know which is more current but neither is less than 8-9 years
old. One lists the 58 for PBH
Khalid:
Just in case you need any more encouragement, here's the link to
cyclofiend's site on all things Atlantis:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/
Take a look at some of the set-ups shown. It's an incredibly
versatile bike.
dougP
On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com
My 64 cm frame from 2001 has a 62 cm toptube, not 60!
I've often wondered when and why the switch occured on later models.
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Talk to Mathew in VA - see his posting here about his 61 cm for sale
(hisnhers...).
dougP
On Mar 18, 5:11 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
I am actually in NJ.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Khalid Mateen
a 62 cm toptube, not 60!
I've often wondered when and why the switch occured on later models.
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Khalid
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