Deac I love you man, but altering your diet in the middle of the road is
less than effective. Stopping to drink water is easy - even smart.
On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:25:16 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
Wait, that's a personal opinion, not allowed according to list police!
;-)
On Oct 6,
I'm not sure what exactly you're responding to Ron, since the quoted text
below isn't mine. For me, eliminating grains, veggie oils, sugar, and
processed food mid-road in my late 30's was highly effective. I dropped
nearly 100 pounds, have greater brain energy, and numerous other
improvements.
my only point remains - if your knee is hurting in a ride, stop and hydrate
On Monday, October 7, 2013 9:30:15 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I'm not sure what exactly you're responding to Ron, since the quoted text
below isn't mine. For me, eliminating grains, veggie oils, sugar, and
I agree, as a short term solution, well worth trying.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, October 7, 2013 8:43:02 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
my only point remains - if your knee is hurting in a ride, stop and hydrate
On Monday, October 7, 2013 9:30:15 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I'm not sure
base layer, insulation layer, wind block - a dictated by the temps and wind
chill. Just this morning, I purchased a merino wool base layer, top and
bottom, plus an extra pair of merino wool boxer briefs for $97 shipped from
sierratradingpost. here was the extra 35% off keycode FNW5634Y good
ps - dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain - if your knee hurts,
stop and hydrate
On Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:52:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
base layer, insulation layer, wind block - a dictated by the temps and
wind chill. Just this morning, I purchased a merino wool base layer,
dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain
I've never heard this. Could you please elaborate?
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:01:52 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
ps - dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain - if your knee hurts,
stop and hydrate
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Thanks Ron for the discount code. I have been riding in cold weather now for 25
years. I have lived most of that time in the mountains, but now live in Bend
Oregon. I have not been payin' attention to the newest and coolest technical
fabrics. I appreciate your advice on the wool.
On Sunday,
Really? I would like to hear more about that.
I sometimes have terrible knee pain in my left knee but have always chalked
it up to the fact I sprained it 15 years ago and it just flares up. If I
can find a natural, non-doctor/drug way of alleviating the pain, I would
love to.
On
In my personal experience and that of many others eliminating grains,
veggie oils, and processed foods eliminated issues of inflammation. Helped
a lot of others as well. Also, in my experience, eliminating those from my
diet greatly decreased my need for constant water.
With abandon,
Patrick
You know how you argue against science? You present evidence that doesn't
support the theory.
And... Actually, that's just More Science.
Philip
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On 10/06/2013 09:51 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain
I've never heard this. Could you please elaborate?
I was told by an orthopaedist when you're dehydrated your cartilege
shrinks and if it's marginal hey presto, there's your knee pain!
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This remark has nothing to do with winter pants, but it does bear on knee
pain.
Ever since my high school days, when I believed that shifting to the
smaller ring to climb hills was sissy, I've had a twinge in my left knee
after just a bit of torquing a high gear up a hill while seated. (My first
With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot pedaling I
have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, October 6, 2013 3:13:39 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
This remark has nothing to do with winter pants, but it does bear on
Do you climb in big gears?
I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the muscles that
operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge.
I climb big mountains in little gears, a fair amount of the time standing.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
Do you climb in big gears?
I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the muscles
that operate when you pedal
Standing is no problem; no knee pain no matter what the gear or slope. But
sitting and torquing is the danger.
I just don't feel comfortable with Arch Over Pedal Spindle; it feels
artificial. Note that this has nothing to do with No Retention -- I know of
one man, not much my junior, who smokes
I don't arch pedal, but rear forefoot and outer midfoot pedal, if that
makes sense. When I do sit and torque (for rear traction), no knee issues.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:14:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
Standing is no problem; no knee pain no matter what the
So, perhaps we're much the same -- pedaling just behind the ball of the
foot? I find that cleats don't go far enough backward if the bolts have
wide heads (as on my Looks).
At any rate, that's what I do.
Anyway, for The Other Person, pedaling behind the ball of foot seems to
help at least two
Here are two good pictures of it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077254556/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077255616/
However you'd define that.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:39:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
So, perhaps we're much the same
#1 is arch riding --ONONONONO!
#2 -- well, maybe.
But! Use what works for you. No G-D arches for me, but then I prolly don't
climb as high as you, anyway.
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Here are two good pictures of it:
Was just reading this thread and Peter M. Dude you made me laugh Try an
Android phone, maybe it will keep your hands warmer. ..what makes that so
funny is that it's so true! My Android phone totally runs hot. Now my
laughing at this comment does not negate the fact that people are different
I've had good luck with Sport Hill 3P XC pants, with a merino wool base layer
as needed. Plenty warm enough for tbe worst that Massachusetts winters dish out.
rod
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On Oct 6, 2013 10:07 PM, Rod Holland rholland1...@gmail.com wrote:
I've had good luck with Sport Hill 3P XC pants, with a merino wool base
layer as needed. Plenty warm enough for tbe worst that Massachusetts
winters
I am a Canadian from Northern Ontario.
Cold on your knees may not be a cause of your knee pain. Putting wraps and
bandages on might just make it feel worse.
You don't need much on your legs. Above about 7 degrees celsius ( 45
degrees fahrenheit ) shorts are appropriate. I love seeing the
I grew up in the mountains in upstate NY and have to agree, if your core is
warm your extremities will be warm. I focused on layers on my core and in
below freezing weather my hands feet and knees are still warm. If you have
good core layering you shouldn't need super pants.
On Oct 5, 2013 1:07
Can I just request that people not generalize from their own
experience to everyone else's? If *your* core is warm, your
extremities are warm, but that is not true for me, nor is it true for
many other people. If I sit in my tent, in my sleeping bag, using my
iPhone, on a cold night my hands will
Its actually science, but no one ever said you cant argue against science.
Try an Android phone, maybe it will keep your hands warmer.
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
Can I just request that people not generalize from their own
experience to everyone
Good point, Anne, though the principle is still at work for you; however,
people have different circulation systems and sitting still in a tent is
different than a body in motion generating a lot more heat and pumping a
lot more volume of blood from the core to the extremities. Also, we
Did you actually mean to say that? Because, you know, condescending to Anne
and also incorrect.
The notion of if your core is warm, your extremities are warm is not
scientifically valid. It's folklore and ignores- for one thing- the science of
thermal radiation and- for another- variations
I kinda wonder about acclimation. I live in sunny California now, but
I grew up in New Jersey, where it sometimes snows in the winter, and I
went to college in Rhode Island, where it tends to be 33 degrees and
raining in the winter. And I never acclimated. I was just always cold
in the winter.
Wow, this is the last I comment on this thread but I don't think anyone
called anyone stupid or told them they don't feel how they feel. Seems like
you just hyper personalized the issue. If people can't comment on their
personal experiences because they might offending someone then it's a
pretty
Personally I was listening to this guy, but what does he know?
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/staying-warm/
On Oct 5, 2013 5:38 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
Wow, this is the last I comment on this thread but I don't think anyone
called anyone stupid or told them
Hey Tim, it is science, though poorly worded representation of the concept.
The scientific principle is that if we are working enough to generate extra
heat (more than our core needs), our body releases the warm blood tot he
extremities to both warm them up and cool it off so we don't overheat;
I have bum knees and the cold is locking them up. I am looking for
recommendations for winter bicycling pants that are warm, water resistant,
wind proof and have a full set of pockets. I'd like them to look like
pants, not tights. Cheap would be nice. Right now, I have taken to wearing
ACE
I've had made some very nice cycling knickers out of good quality men's
dress pants, wool and cotton (ie, khakis cut like wool dress pants). At the
simplest, I made them myself by simply cutting them off at the right length
and sewing on velcro or running a shoelace through the hem -- I wish I
Check out foxwear. Everything he does is custom so Lou can probably make
something similar to what you are looking for. I have a jacket, power
shield pants and rain pants from him and I am happy with all of them. His
prices are extremely reasonable considering the custom sizing and
materials.
Dan
I'm happy with MUSA long pants, knee-length merino socks and merino wool
knicker undies. I shop sierratradingpost for most of my merino wool.
On Friday, October 4, 2013 3:07:41 PM UTC-5, Dan wrote:
Check out foxwear. Everything he does is custom so Lou can probably make
something similar
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