Sounds interesting. I've been curious about 718 since it showed up on the
Riv dealer list. And I wish I knew how to build wheels...
Brad
(in Queens)
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 10:09:01 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
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> I won't be able to make it tonight, wherever you decide, but I had a
>
SOLD, thanks all!
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Oh man I know. I used to have a shed at our old house out in the sticks but we
just moved closer to the city in an apartment and things are a little tight!
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All the time. Although I'm more tempted by the gevenalles than actual
brifters
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I use Ultegra 6800 11 speed group on my Roadeo and I cannot fault that
groupset at allnot at all.
On a touring bike, one where I actually am going to use it on tours more
than a day or two bike camping, I would go with a bar end or even downtube
just for simplicity and ability to repair on
What drew said!
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 10:42:47 AM UTC-6, drew wrote:
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> Haha. Bill you should be paid by rivendell and my wife should put a hit on
> you. i think if there was a frame presale around 1200 now, i would not be
> able to say no to that. later, if frames are being sold
Also have a black long sleeve Ibex Polo in large. $60..
>
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Thanks all for the input. I'm going with "I probably won't like the
Albastache much either. A cheaper scenario for certain.
Long shot...anybody got an alba to trade for a mous?
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:07 AM, clyde canter
wrote:
> Do you like the Albastache and not
On 12/10/2015 08:55 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
Thanks for sharing. switched to flats after reading the flat pedal
manifesto, comparing pedal stroke to pistons in an engine. It made
sense to me. Flats give me less pain, but I mostly ride them because
it reminds me of riding a bike as a kid. Just
On 12/10/2015 11:04 AM, Jim Bronson wrote:
I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
them up fairly regularly.
Would you be even more likely to gum up brifters with sweat? I mean,
your hands are
I pedal like a purring cat kneading in bliss
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 11:54 AM, iamkeith wrote:
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>
> I'll say this though: The comfort/ergonomics of most brifters, including
> the one you linked, is *vastly* superior to any lever-only design out
> there, that I've found. The hoods themselves are large enough that
This is a great deal for someone tall
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Haha, you guys both need to learn some things about N+1. :-)You buy
the complete and tell your wife that the parts were practically free. Ride
the bike and keep your Hillborne at least until Summer. When Rivendell is
only selling Hillbornes complete, you save the day for somebody who is
"I'm wondering if this is another 51, or if this one is a 55. If I were
able to actually read the tire size on the big bens to see if it's a
650b or 700c wheel, that would answer the question. "
I took the rear wheel shot and measured the seat tube length, the chainstay
length and the wheel
Bill, i have an idea. you buy several complete appaloosas, strip them and
sell us the frames. then we sell you our old frames. you can then build
them up with the parts from the joe and resell them as completes to the
people who bought the appaloosas but are inevitably unhappy with the
Quit my day job and open up Rivelo South? It wouldn't lose too much money.
:-)
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 11:44:13 AM UTC-8, drew wrote:
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> Bill, i have an idea. you buy several complete appaloosas, strip them and
> sell us the frames. then we sell you our old frames. you can then
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:54 AM, iamkeith wrote:
> I have one set, of Ultegra STI 9 speeds on my RB-1. I do like them, but
> mostly for variety's sake. It's kind of fun to have one bike upon which
> regular and frequent shifting is part of the ride experience. If I had
In high heat and humidity and sweating profusely I either wear some basic
cotton sweat-wrist bands and/or carry thin cotton or microfiber cloths with
me . I pretty much keep one in hand or both hands while riding . I
sometimes start with a wet one and it's quite refreshing to wipe your face
My experience is the opposite. I've never worn out 9 speed 105 or
Ultegra brifters, but I go through a set of bar ends every year.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
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> I like them a lot. I didn't go out of my way to get some, but they came on
Personally, I prefer the term dual-control lever. And while I love them --
loved Shimano 9, loved Campy Record 10 -- I didn't like Shimano 10 and
haven't been able to settle on a choice for a new set. I hate telling
myself how much I like D/T shifters. I mean, I'm already a grouch but still
"I'll say this though: The comfort/ergonomics of most brifters, including
the one you linked, is *vastly* superior to any lever-only design out
there, that I've found"
Another notable exception is SRAM. The S500 brakelevers are brifters with
the guts ripped out. They are still very heavy
With the bar ends, it's more a function of sweat dripping off other
parts of my body since they are closer to the rider. It seems to go
from my chin right on to the bar-ends fairly frequently. With
brifters, the mechanism is much farther forwards so they seem to get
less sweat. They do get the
I agree about the Silver bar-end for triple cranks. My highly eccentric Bike
Friday cockpit is a SOMA mustache-like bar (Ergon grips, I don't use the curved
portion) with a Shimano Sora brifter for the rear and Silver bar-end for the
front. My Itty bitty hands struggle to make front shifts by
I've had and liked both. I've also had Albatross, Bosco and several drop
and mountain bars. I love the Albastache and will probably never give it
up unless I need to get even more upright (saving the replaced Albatross
should that day arrive). I've never felt more comfortable with a set of
Looks like that link is just going to 1 photo. There's more:
http://s821.photobucket.com/user/dabanzer/library/Bags?sort=3=1
David
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When I used brifters more often, I did simultaneous shifts all the
time, especially when transitioning from the big ring to the middle
ring. I'd hit the button on both brifters to go to a smaller ring on
both front and back, and it would be a perfect transition every time.
Well ok one time I
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:07 AM, clyde canter
wrote:
> Do you like the Albastache and not the moustache?
> If so why?
>
>
I tried moustache bars twice on a couple different bikes several years ago,
and I tried to love them, I wanted to love them, but I could never get
I think the reason i use "brifter" is because I'm too lazy to type out
"dual control lever". Perhaps if we used an acronym? DCL?
"I decided to go with DCL instead of bar-ends"
perhaps?
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Eddie Flayer wrote:
> tongue in cheek, but to some
>
> I'm a late adopter (like many on this list, I am sure) and have never used
> brifters, but I like reading about others' experiences. One question: what
> is the beef with the term "brifter"?
Always getting educated on this list, 1x8, shifting with a bar end and
never really tempted by
I think brifters are great if I am riding on the hoods. With any other position
the advantage/ convenience compared to BEs is negligible (and maybe advantage
BE). That said, I almost always ride on the hoods on my roadish bike.
Cheers!
Chris
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Just tell her it's perfectly normal to keep your bikes inside when you
live in an apartment ;)
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:24 AM, mike gasparino wrote:
> Oh man I know. I used to have a shed at our old house out in the sticks but
> we just moved closer to the city in an
>Next, let's talk about whether your bicycle is "standing" on the spokes on
the bottom of the wheel or "hanging" from the spokes on the top!
Dear Eric,
Cool! Pluck the spokes of your very evenly tensioned wheel on Earth, with
the tires deflated, the wheels supporting the bike on the ground
I've been riding Shimano Atheena 11 spd shifters on my road bike for about
the last 6-7 years. They have been crashed and ridden in some gnarly
conditions and still work better than my brand new Ultegra or 105 brifters
I've had over the years. They are SILVER and look really nice on steel
I am very definitely not among the ultra fit, but even I like retention of
some sort when riding fixed, for fear of losing the pedal at some critical
moment; I daresay one could get used to riding fixed without retention,
though.
But: one *other *little advantage to retention, at least I find
I like riding free on flat pedals, no retention whatsoever.
I cannot say for sure if any component I have ever installed or removed
on/from a bike has ever made me faster or more efficient.
I have always been a slowpoke.
Perhaps only the ultra-fit can benefit from these types of things.
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tongue in cheek, but to some degree I think the term Luddite is apropos in
this conversation. Of course bar ends and downtubes are just fine, but the
dual control lever is a work of engineering art all to itself. Maybe we
should call them paddle shifters. Me thinks a great invention. To each
Anyone have a copy of BQ Vol 3 #1 that I can buy or take a look at? I
learned it has a review of this bike and though it would add to my
knowledge base. Thanks for digging!
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Never mind - I found it / ordered it on Jan's site.
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Anyone have this issue? It has a review of the Heron I picked up recently,
and thought it would be a good read. Does Jan still sell issues this old?
Marty
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Yes the Compass cranks are beautiful, and compared to a new Carmina, a
bargain. They also require proprietary rings, a definite drawback.
Thanks also for the posts of the "silver" cranks from RBW. They are
definitely not going on my bike.
I run a 44/30 White Industries crank on my Ram and
I preferred the Albastache, but neither bar worked for me. The brake levers
cannot be rotated down far enough (the curve interferes), for my stiff
wrists. I had to lift my fingers off the bar, rotate my wrist down to get
my fingers in the right spot and then brake. Splat! I just ran into that
If you want to try it out I have an 10 speed Tiagra group I might be able
to ship to Texas for 150 or so.
- Ryan
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I've got a bike with Shimano Ultegra 6800 11-speed shifters and they are
really nice. Light touch and shifts great. Haven't had them more than 18
months so I can't comment on durability. I have had some Campy Veloce
10-speed shifters in a shimergo setup for more the 4 years and they have a
more
as mentioned, mustache is narrower and more forward. i thought that the
differences with the albastache would be fairly minimal, but it really is a
cross between an albatross and a mustache bar. i had mustaches on a fastish
bike and liked them a lot. my big touring bike had albatross bars
Dear Jim,
Tempted? Nah. I just use 'em when appropriate.
I either use downtube shifters (7s friction and 10s indexed) or
Ergo/doubletap levers (10s). On my long-distance bike, I actually use the
Campagnolo 10s shaped levers and (10s) downtube shifters, as on longer
events, or on extended day
I'm kinda a clipless person for road riding and mountain biking but will be
throwing thin gripsters on the Atlantis. I don't know if my pedal stroke is
smooth and efficient or not (and I would bet on not) but I find the shoes
for clipless that I have are excellent. I think clipless gives an
I made up a bag for a list member specifically to fit a Haulin' Colin
porteur rack, and made an extra bag for myself in the same size as I
intended to get the same rack for a bike. Changed my mind on the rack, so
now have an extra bag with a matching saddlebag.
$200 shipped for both bags.
I have one set, of Ultegra STI 9 speeds on my RB-1. I do like them, but
mostly for variety's sake. It's kind of fun to have one bike upon which
regular and frequent shifting is part of the ride experience. If I had to
choose or only had one bike, I still like simple, separate shift levers of
Sure, I have one Campy Ergo bike, '05 with nice power ratchet front
shifting.
Rebuildable, triple friendly.
Variety is good, keeps your mind from following ruts.
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I have used Ultegra 9speed that I didn't like much for their hand shape, or
lack thereof. I switched to Campy 11 speed that matches perfectly with
Shimano 9 speed derailer and cassette. I like them a lot in spite of my
aversion to Campy in general. But when I get on my LHT with downtube
>From the article:
"When you last rode your bike with flat shoes, or your pub cruiser / fixie,
did your foot keep lifting off the pedal through the back of the stroke? Do
your cleats actually allow you to add more power through the back of the
stroke or simply make you feel like you have better
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"Brifter" is a mashup of BRake lever and shIFTER. I'm pretty sure it was
invented by Grant, and not intended to be a denigrating label. It's simply a
way to call them something without using "STI" or a long phrase like
"integrated brake/shift lever."
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Thanks Bill! This is giving me the happy feels. I'm hoping it's built
up and ready for a test ride next time I'm in the neighborhood. Maybe
a very long test ride. :)
chee-hoo!!
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> "I'm wondering if this is another 51, or
Folks, I kid you not:
"We at *Rivendell Ranch* love the *Appaloosa* though we work successfully
with many other breeds. Our desire is to breed Appaloosas with the right
temperment for the *Family*, *Amateur*, and *Non-pro* that have the
conformation and athletic ability the *Professionals*
http://web.archive.org/web/20090426080930/http://www.heronbicycles.com/index.html
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No glad you did. Interesting to see different individuals perspective. Like
you Chad I have bounced back and forth over the years. Today I have a go-fast
road bike with and the rest of my bikes without. Both feel right to me.
Whatever gets someone out riding with happy feet and mind is right
on long rides with long climbs on platform pedals, I've found different
ways to use different muscles by mashing toe-first, heel-first,
front-to-back (still spinning, just changing the aspect of my foot). I get
preached at by clipless evangelists and smile.
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at
Thanks for sharing. switched to flats after reading the flat pedal
manifesto, comparing pedal stroke to pistons in an engine. It made sense to
me. Flats give me less pain, but I mostly ride them because it reminds me
of riding a bike as a kid. Just fun for me.
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at
On 12/10/2015 07:01 AM, MartyG wrote:
Anyone have this issue? It has a review of the Heron I picked up
recently, and thought it would be a good read. Does Jan still sell
issues this old?
I believe all back issues are available (some are reprints). For example:
bq_back_issues
Michael , FWIW have you seen Sugino's Alpina 2 and Mighty Tour cranks ?
Both of these are normal five bolt pattern(no silly hidden bolt). If you
are not everse to ordering overseas the "top of the line square taper"
Mighty Tour is in your price range . You can get just the arms or a
Looking at those compass cranks makes me think:
They are beautiful.
They are well made and well engineered.
They are crazy expensive for someone like me, but the upside is they make even
a $250 crank look cheap and reasonable.
Cheap and reasonable, mostly used and low fi,
Edwin
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Do you like the Albastache and not the moustache?
If so why?
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My experiment with kick back hubs compelled further experimentation with
pedals. Even my beloved White Industries pedals did not quite work right
with the back stroke to engage the brake.
So I tried a set of 45Nrth flat pedals. Still using the White with BG Half
Clips on my long distance
So is it orange-ish or green-ish? I liked the earlier looks-more-orange
pic, but *love* this looks-more-green/yellow one. Either way, I need this
bike!
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 7:23:20 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Let's make it happen! You definitely wouldn't pay $2400 for a
Another brifter fan here (although I dislike the term). When I returned to
riding in 1994 after a long hiatus, STI made such a positive difference in my
comfort and confidence on the bike. I see no reason to give that up as long as
I'm using drop bars. My experience is solely with Shimano
I like them a lot. I didn't go out of my way to get some, but they came on
a used bike I bought. And, they're great! Especially for spirited off-road
riding, when you're in the drops and don't want to let go of your grip to
move your hand. Amazing in that application!
But they do wear out
2 more slots available for January 29th's wheel building seminar, I'm signed
up, get it while you can
http://www.718c.com/free-classes
-Kai
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Appaloosas at Rivendell Ranch. That's amazing!
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 7:23:32 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
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> Folks, I kid you not:
>
> "We at *Rivendell Ranch* love the *Appaloosa* though we work successfully
> with many other breeds. Our desire is to breed Appaloosas with the right
>
I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
them up fairly regularly.
Then something like this comes up.
Oh yea. The Atlantis has its own bedroom
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I would also consider the IRD cranks. Similar to the VO, they also have a 94bcd
version (Mjolnir).
-J
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I had been using clipless from the early days of The Look/Mavic pedals,
switched to SPD. While on a tour in 2014 I started using the unclipped side
of the Shimano 530 pedals When I got home I switched to pinned platform
pedals and haven't missed clipless at all. Still wearing Shimano sandals
for
Hi Michael,
Not sure which frame you are hoping to use the crankset on, but I believe
you have a Rambouillet.
On mine, I have one of the Grand Cru mkII 50.4 doubles - 172.5mm arms with
44/30 rings on a 115mm BB. The chainstay-arm and chainstay-ring teeth
clearance is perfect, but the bolts
I gave riding without retention a fair chance (over a year). It took more
time to unlearn clipless than it did to learn. My two cents. If clipless
pedals were banished from the face of the earth I'd adapt. Given the choice
I'll take clipless anyday.
IM (most) HO
Clyde Canter
Ps, I read the
Grant describes it quite well when saying the Albastache is a cross between
an Albatross and a Moustache. Albatross = great bar for more upright, non
technical riding of all types, but if you want to be in the curves and have
brakes you're outta luck (Mama bear's porridge). Moustache = great
Sold the BB. Need this gone 1800 OBO
Thanks!
On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:38:45 AM UTC-7, Kendallspower wrote:
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> Hey guys,
>
> Making one last attempt here before going to eBay.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 1:09:22 PM UTC-7, Kendallspower wrote:
>>
>> Trying to gauge
250 shipped for everything! Need gone! wife is clearing out parts bin : \ lol
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I won't be able to make it tonight, wherever you decide, but I had a thought.
There's that new Riv dealer, 718 cyclery. I went by there and it's a great
spot. What my thought was is a get together at one of their wheel building
seminars. They're free, and not surprisingly they're very popular.
Everything is almost brand new.
I've ridden it less than 1 mile sadly.
Son hub
XTR rear hub
XTR derailluers
Connex stainless chain
G-Master headset
Uber rare Avid brakes
Dia Compe levers
Yokozuna cables and housings, pads
Phil Wood BB
Honjo Fenders
Nitto Crystal Fellow post
Sugino cranks 175
Let's make it happen! You definitely wouldn't pay $2400 for a frameset in
a heartbeat. You've got some price in mind. Let's figure how to sell the
parts you can't afford to keep around and get you on one. Somebody else
qualified their "in a heartbeat" with "if it was $700 like the Clem. If
My Atlantis came with Moustache. I replaced with Albastache. I like them
both. The moustache is a more aggressive bar, narrower and more forward.
The Albastache is wider, a tad higher, and the bends are more relaxed. I
like the albastsache more, but I an 62 y.o., if I was 25 y.o., I think the
I feel your pain, brother. My wife is wanting me to clean out mine as
well. And we only have a 1 car garage, so there's that additional
pressure to keep things tidy as well. I'd really like to get a nice
shed and throw all my gardening and yard maintenance gear out there,
but, they don't come
A couple of my bikes have brifters (Foundry Auger - SRAM Rival 10s double
tap, Giordana - Campy/Sachs 8s Ergopower)
One has grip-twist shifters (Specialized Fatboy - 10s SRAM XO)
Two have bar-ends, both currently in indexed mode (Riv Road/650b - 10s
Shimano, Schwinn KOM - 9s Shimano)
I guess I'm
I run 44/28 and I only use the 28 if it's really steep, and usually by the
time I'm done with it I'm out of breath, so having to find the right gear
in the back after upshifting again is a welcome respite for me.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> Yes
If you like click-shifting bar-ends, I see no reason not to try brifters.
Those Shimano levers have a nice shape for riding on the hoods, and you
might like not having to reach back to shift. A lot of RivBobs like
bar-ends, but there's a reason there's so many brifters on the road. Check
'em
I couldn't get either shape to work for me. The curve lands in just the
wrong spot in my palm, creating tingling and pain after anything more than
10 miles. But I'm a road-only rider at this point; either bar would be good
for mountain-bikey-type terrain as an alternative to flat bars.
On
I've converted to brifters, and I won't look back.
I've had Shimano STI, Campy Ergo and SRAM DoubleTap. Currently have Campy
and SRAM in my stable, and I prefer the SRAM DoubleTap ever so slightly
over Campy Ergo. I didn't like Shimano STI as much... Both the Campy and
SRAM hoods are very
Haha. Bill you should be paid by rivendell and my wife should put a hit on
you. i think if there was a frame presale around 1200 now, i would not be
able to say no to that. later, if frames are being sold and i could
save/strategize, i'd go to 1600$ no problem. right now, dropping 2400$
right
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