[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

[Joe Bernard]

Another note on that Blahg entry: I dig the "straight-bar" fork on the HHH. It 
looks like a fancified old Raleigh 3-speed fork. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell prices going up.

[nick b]

The prices are going up $100 from $1300 to $1400.

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Re: [RBW] Did you stop using Compass tires?

[Jim Bronson]

I've been a LoupLoup user for a while now.  I took them off and tried the
old PariMotos, because they were cheaper and lighter.  Holy cow you think
Compass are flat magnets?  I got 5 flats in 2 days on a 600K.  Or was it
6?  I dunno but any more and I would have been patching tubes.  And/or
hitchhiking.

I went back to LoupLoup Passes standard casing and I'm happy with them.

Use Barlow Pass on the Redwood also.  Happy with those too.

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> Why?
> What did you start using?
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[RBW] Did you stop using Compass tires?

[Lynne Fitz]

I tried the Cypres (well, those are Grand Bois, not Compass), and they were 
flat magnets.

Mostly the Compass 650B tires are too fat for my bike, but my new fender 
installation seems to allow the Loup Loup Pass.  Maybe when I need new tires 
I’ll spring for them.

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[RBW] Re: Which tire was ridden on your first excursion into 650b?

[Lynne Fitz]

NIfty Swifties on Synergy rims.  Went through those, Michelin Axial Raids (and 
I’d STILL be using them if they were still in production!), Michelin (don’t 
remember, all black) on Aerohead rims (the tire and rim were not a good 
combination), Grand Bois Cypres, Soma Xpress (still have those on the Bleriot) 
and have pretty much settled on the Hutchinsons.  Although after my new fender 
installation on the Sweetpea, it appears I can run the 38mm Compass tires.  
I’ll have to cogitate on that.

The Velocity A23 rims are my current favorite.

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[Lum Gim Fong]

@Steve

1. The same reason one don't post Strada from your house! Can you 
believe people do that? They will rob you of your bikes. It happens.See 
the latest RBR newsletter.
2. Stalking, in general, cyber or real.
3. Also, I like not being cross linked betwixt different forums to avoid 
the trolls who like to answer your questions by saying "I thought you asked 
that over on the iBob list. Why are you asking it here, too?"


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[RBW] Re: NITTO TALLUX stem for sale

[lum gim fong]

That third picture is the money shot. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco bar

[lum gim fong]

PS - this bike jewelry can be picked up for free in the DC/Maryland, 
Laurel, Ellicott City area.

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[RBW] NITTO TALLUX stem for sale

[lum gim fong]

Stats here  
 https://store.biketouringnews.com/nitto-225-technomic-deluxe-quill-stem-tallux/

This is the 70 extension/ 25.4 clamp version.

I bought from the link a few months back but upright riding ain;t for me. 
So going low, staying low, with a lower stem.

60$ shipped CONUS
paypal


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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[Adam Kilgas]

I do, or use "Adam in Indiana" instead, to help differentiate me from the one 
or two other Adams.  At least, it seems more memorable to me...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[Steve Palincsar]

I'll bet that gives you a nice warm secure feeling...

But since you brought it up, what reason is there to not use your real 
name?  What "security concerns" arise from your discussion of bikes & 
bike parts?



On 01/30/2018 06:30 PM, lum gim fong wrote:
It is funny because sometimes when I sell something online I write to 
the formumite maybe named something like "IsadoreL". Then they email 
me privately with an email address like 
"jamieskelon...@newjersey.com", then they sign their email like 
"Sincerely,  Randall"


None of these are rel names  I have encountered, just examples.


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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[lum gim fong]

"Lum Gim Fong" is the name my Cantonese wife gave me many years ago.
My English name is Michael Leven

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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[Philip Kim]

Yes. There's no need to hide behind a handle on this group. It's refreshing

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[RBW] Did you stop using Compass tires?

[rob markwardt]

I've tracked my flats for several years.  Can you guess when I experimented 
with Compass tires? That was only about 6 months of riding. Oh, and and the two 
flats in 15 were Compass as well.  They ruined my shutout!  I ride Schwalbe, 
Paselas, and a few other brands now.   

20084
20097
20102
20115
20122
20133
20144
20152
201615
20174

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[RBW] Re: Which tire was ridden on your first excursion into 650b?

[drew]

I put 650bs on my wife’s bikes years before I went that way myself. The first I 
bought for her were col de vie’s I think. I just got my first 650b bike with 
WTB horizons. Solved a lot of the issues I had with over 40mm 700c 
wheels/tires. Happy so far

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[RBW] FS: 26" Peter White Built Schmidt Dyno Wheelset

[Daniel Jackson]

 $400 shipped CONUS

Built by Peter White about 1 year ago. Silver Velocity Atlas rims laced to 
black 36h SON 28 front and 36h XT rear (135 spacing). Hubs are ISO Disc, 
but I've used the wheelset as both a disc and rim brake set.

Photos here 


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[RBW] Re: Did you stop using Compass tires?

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I had a set of compass on my commuter Sam Hilborne but too many flats so 
went back to the long wearing Vittoria Randonneur tire.  Still have a set 
of compass tires on my road bike.  They handle and roll very well and flats 
haven't been an issue.

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> Why?
> What did you start using?
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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[Philip Williamson]

I’m happy you do, since I met you in Redlands, and I can put a face to the name!

In all honesty, I assumed “lun gim fong” was a real name until quite recently. 

I’m pretty sure I use my real name, and the “biketinker” handle isn’t my 
display name. I sign all my posts. I haven’t hidden my identity online since I 
had a dial up modem and high school friends on a BBS. 

In the old days of Flickr and Kogswell, and Alex Wetmore’s list, I had a couple 
of internet friends who turned out to be a single person using different 
handles! That was an amusing realization. “Branding, people!”

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Rivendell prices going up.

[Belopsky]

>
> Atlantis, AHH, Roadeo, Hunq: going up $200 
>
> Appalosa, Sam, Cheviot & HHH Tandems: going up $100 to $1400. Future runs 
> will have to be more that that.
>
> Roadini & Clems are going up $25-50 to $900
>

I am assuming that is a misprint and it should be $100-$140 

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[Philip Williamson]

I would choose the nicest used forged crank I could find, like the last 
generation of square taper Dura Ace. Or a Compass double. Or the Paul, because 
it will be discontinued. 

I’m a wheel fetishist, not a crank fetishist. My ENO cranks were nice, but I 
ended up preferring Shimano 600 doubles. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] WTB: Crust Leather Bar or Towel Rack

[Jim S.]

Does anyone have a set of those crazy-wide bars lying around, collecting 
dust? I'd be happy to take them off your hands. PM me please.

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Re: [RBW] Did you stop using Compass tires?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I stopped using Rat Trap Pass standard casing, 26x2.3 - they were nice, but
I didn't have an epiphany riding them - they were expensive, and I felt did
not earn their keep. I switched to Schwalbe Thunder Burts, and those tires
are amazing.

I stopped using Snoqualmie Pass standard casing, 700x44 - they were decent,
but they were also not epiphany-inducing and didn't feel worth the premium
expense, and I switched to a Soma Shikoro that I picked up at a clearance
sale.

I started using Barlow Pass, 700x38, and I will continue to use and buy
them for as long as I have a bike that can run 'em - they are perfect.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> I really like the way Compass tires ride, but I don't have any in my
> current fleet. My knocks against Compass tires:
>
> - they're hard to mount, it takes several tries to get the bead on
> straight, if I can
> - they're expensive
>
> My Vittoria Hyper something tires feel 85% as good at 30% of the price,
> and mount up fine on the first try.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:55 PM, lum gim fong 
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>> What did you start using?
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[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

[ascpgh]

I think the softness/pliability of your wool mitts is pushing into the valley 
at the base of your palm, pressing the Palmer nerve enough to result in a bit 
o’ impingement and result with some temporary numbness. Those gooey gel saddles 
sold to new cyclists do the same thing to their rear ends.

My hand issue catalog comes honestly from a year and a half on crutches. No way 
around the damage, just glad th neuropathy and sores healed, and that I can 
walk.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[Jim M.]

I have White square tapers on 2 bikes and they have been problem free. I 
built those bikes from bare frame so I spent $$ for the White cranks. If I 
was converting an existing bike to ss, I'd use the existing crank, maybe 
with a narrower spindle and possibly add a wide/narrow chainring. In my 
experience, cranks are pretty low maintenance (except for the occasional 
annoying creak), and pretty durable. I've seen broken cranks, but I've 
never broken one. I've used square taper, and various external bearing 
cranks, and I don't think I can tell a difference in terms of getting power 
to the wheel.

jim m
walnut creek, ca

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Bill brings up the excellent point of the meaning of “best value.” To me 
> value means: provides high ride quality, experience, dependibility, and 
> longevity at a cost commensorate with the work required to achieve that. 
> Compass tires are my best value tire, though they cost more per mile than 
> quite a few tires, simply because the ride quality and experience far 
> outweighs their higher cost and the (in my experience) slight increase in 
> flats (since I ride tubes, easily repairable in the field). 
>
> I generally keep coming back to two options, interestingly diametrically 
> opposed in cost. Sugino, as Bill suggests. Or White Industries MR30. I’ll 
> keep playing, and I may well ride this full season with the Suginos and 
> decide after having the option of a full year of bikepacking fixed with the 
> option of a bailout granny ring. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bridgestone wool jersey / RBW MUSA railroad shirt

[Joe Bunik]

update:
Bridgestone jersey is sold; RBW shirt remains available-- am open to offers!

Thanks
=- Joe

On 1/29/18, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> My annual closet cleaning and flogging of these hangers:
> ===
> $57/shipped CONUS
> Bridgestone Castelli 100% Wool Cycling Jersey size 7 or XL
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157661722811934
>
> Bridgestone wool jersey by Castelli, from the 1990's (one year only, I
> think). If you like all things Rivendell, you might fancy this jersey.
> It's really quite special, but the moths got to it so I spent a few
> hours sewing up the holes using matched (orange wool) thread. It now
> works fine, but is def. not a 'mint' specimen. Looks fine when it is
> worn, and it works fine too-- but, if you look close you will see my
> handiwork. The fit on it feels too big/long for me. Gen-U-Ine tagua
> nut buttons!
>
> ===
> $57/shipped
> Rivendell MUSA Railroad shirt (1st generation)
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157661722811954
>
> Sized "M" but fits waaay larger than I prefer (I typically wear an "L"
> shirt), and thus has only be worn about 4 times. Free wrinkles
> included!
>
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[ascpgh]

Real. Supports anything I respond to or say. 

Andy Cheatham
(Not Suri, Google it)
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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[Clayton.sf]

I use my real name.

know a lot of people here in person so using a handle just feels a bit 
cumbersome. 

Clayton Scott
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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[Belopsky]

Nope.

-Victor Frankenstein

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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[Richard Rios]

Yep sure do...why wouldn't I. I've even put my personal phone number up here, 
no problemo. To riff on good ol' Popeye "I am what I am and I is who I is".

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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[Joe Bernard]

Most everyone here uses their real name. It's expected. 

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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[lum gim fong]

I use fake names for security reasons on other forums and this one too.

But my real nane is available on this forum now anyway from when I used to use 
it..

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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Yes I do.  Seemed to be encouraged as I recall when I signed up. I don’t tend 
to post controversial comments so don’t feel the need to hide because a fake 
handle. I’m on some guitar forums where I’ll use one of my guitar models as my 
name. But that is more fitting to that forum also

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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[WETH]

I use my initials, but try to sign all my posts with my name. Though at times I 
forget.

Erl Houston

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

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Yes, I use my real name.  This is the only internet forum that is 
consistently civil and inhabited by adults that I feel comfortable in doing 
so.

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[tc]

You've probably seen this, but was researching the other day and saw what 
Peter White thinks:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fixed.php


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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[Deacon Patrick]

I use my real name. Well, title and name. Grin. It was refreshingly clear when 
I first joined that this is the norm. In my experience real names tend to have 
real interactions, something significantly lacking in interweb land.

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[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

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Joe:

I love it!!!  I had thought before that your bike needed a cool bar wrap 
job to complete the look.  I like how Grant used different color combos on 
each handlebar.  I also really like the olive color.  I will keep it in 
mind for future projects.

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[Julian Westerhout]

I do. I see no point in not doing so. I value the information I get from 
this forum, I feel real names helps establish trust and a sense of 
community and I feel no need to hide behind a nom de plume on this forum. 

The fake names bother me a little bit... 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

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> Yea or nay?

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[lum gim fong]

My real name is on this forum somewhere. I used to use it.

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Re: [RBW] Did you stop using Compass tires?

[Eric Daume]

I really like the way Compass tires ride, but I don't have any in my
current fleet. My knocks against Compass tires:

- they're hard to mount, it takes several tries to get the bead on
straight, if I can
- they're expensive

My Vittoria Hyper something tires feel 85% as good at 30% of the price, and
mount up fine on the first try.

Eric

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[RBW] Re: Did you stop using Compass tires?

[Austin B]

I swap a pair of Bon Jon Pass out for some Soma Cazaderos 700x42 on my Sam 
for when I know I'll be mostly off pavement. I still fit the Bon Jon's back 
on with fenders and for road riding.

Generally, I am making my Sam more offroadish--hence the tires (and lower 
gearing, etc) to eliminate overlap as I have other bikes for the road.

-Austin

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[lum gim fong]

It is funny because sometimes when I sell something online I write to the 
formumite maybe named something like "IsadoreL". Then they email me 
privately with an email address like "jamieskelon...@newjersey.com", then 
they sign their email like "Sincerely,  Randall"

None of these are rel names  I have encountered, just examples.


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[RBW] Did you stop using Compass tires?

[Palmer]

Hello Lum,
Tried to love Rat Trap Passes, both regular and EL. Used all pressure ranges 
and they never made the angels sing for me. I will be trying the 44mm 26ers 
eventually but lately have a couple pair of Schwalbe Rocket Ron’s ôn 26x2 with 
the knobs shaved off. Feel lighter and spritelier than the RTP els. I never 
liked how big the RTPs looked, just too big. 
I will also be trying some 700x35s too. 
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[Paul Choi]

Yes, I use my real name. Why do you use a fake one?

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[lum gim fong]

oops...not *who*, but *how many* of us use fake names on here...

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[lum gim fong]

There are no other messages that have to do with this thread. I just made 
it up just now.

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[RBW] Re: Are you using your real name on here?

[lum gim fong]

Just asking members if they are using their real name on here or not.

Context:  Just curious who uses real vs. fake names on this forum.

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Re: [RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

[Patrick Moore]

Lum: please attach sufficient content from the earlier messages so that
people know what your are talking about. I have no idea what this refers to.

If this is a new thread, then please introduce your question with enough
context to allow people to know what you are talking about.

Thanks, Patrick

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[RBW] Did you stop using Compass tires?

[lum gim fong]

Why?
What did you start using?

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[RBW] Are you still riding on Fatty Rumpkin Originals?

[lum gim fong]

If not, why?

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[RBW] Are you using your real name on here?

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Yea or nay?

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[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

[Deacon Patrick]

Scott, it looks to me similar to craft weight felt, like can be bought for 
making felt projects with kids. Pretty thin.

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[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

[Joe Bernard]

Scott: I don't know, but the finished grip we see in the pics doesn't look 
super huge. I'll give feedback on it when I pick my bike up. 

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[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

[Joe Bernard]

I've had a similar experience with padding/cushion, although more in the 
clothing area than grips. After many years of trying to get comfortable with 
padded shorts and gloves, I discovered that my body was struggling through the 
cushion barrier to get to the contact point on the bicycle, creating much pain. 
Once I removed those barriers the pain stopped. That doesn't mean I want to 
ride a bare handlebar - and hard cork doesn't work - but I can't ride a 
massive, cushioned grip, either. Grant's wrapping job looks like a reasonable 
compromise between the two extremes..I'll holler after I get the bike back and 
go for some rides. 

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[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

[Scott McLain]

Do you know how thick the wool felt is that he uses?

Scott

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Industries Short Stack Panniers

[VeloVert]

The Swift Industries Short Stack Panniers are still available. Price 
includes shipping CONUS.

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[RBW] OT: Request for help with intermittent power shut off with newish 43" hi res monitor

[Patrick Moore]

The list is more helpful than Google.

If you think you might be able to help, please email me offlist at
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[RBW] Re: Which tire was ridden on your first excursion into 650b?

[RJM]

Pari Motos were mine. Great tire, but they don't last long enough. 

I ran Fatty Rumpkins on the trails some, and they did well enough. 

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> carbonalu 700 x 25c bike.
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[RBW] Re: Fancy grip-making (starring my bike!)

[Deacon Patrick]

I love the look of these! Good call, Joe!

I find the cushion of bars fascinating. I have the opposite experience from 
most. My bars are wrapped with a single layer of cotton (no shelac). My hands 
fall asleep sometimes when I wear my boiled wool mittens (equal to a very thick 
layer of wool felt), but never when I am bare handed. Am I somehow gripping 
harder to compensate for the cushy feel? I’ve no idea. But my hands stay warm, 
so it works. Shrug. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[Deacon Patrick]

Bill brings up the excellent point of the meaning of “best value.” To me value 
means: provides high ride quality, experience, dependibility, and longevity at 
a cost commensorate with the work required to achieve that. Compass tires are 
my best value tire, though they cost more per mile than quite a few tires, 
simply because the ride quality and experience far outweighs their higher cost 
and the (in my experience) slight increase in flats (since I ride tubes, easily 
repairable in the field).

I generally keep coming back to two options, interestingly diametrically 
opposed in cost. Sugino, as Bill suggests. Or White Industries MR30. I’ll keep 
playing, and I may well ride this full season with the Suginos and decide after 
having the option of a full year of bikepacking fixed with the option of a 
bailout granny ring.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Anaerobic Power, Aerobic Effort

[Patrick Moore]

I tend to agree with this, and will only add that, just perhaps, one
difference with riding a freewheel is that you become habituated -- ie, do
it without thinking -- to keeping your pedaling ahead of the drivetrain in
a way that you don't with a freewheel, which may -- "may" -- allow just
enough hesitation or lag that it is noticeable by its absence.

Just a guess here. The only evidence I have for this is that riding fixed
somehow does feel more efficient than riding in a similar but fw gear (I do
that all the time on a derailleur bike, since I tend not to shift a great
deal for hills), and #2, that after getting off a fixed and getting on a
coater, I tend to pedal squares for a few hundred yards.


On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Daniel M  wrote:

> If you put continuous forward pressure on a freewheel drivetrain, there is
> NO difference from putting continuous forward pressure on a fixed gear
> drivetrain. The top of the chain is taut and the bottom is slack; there is
> simply no "freewheel effect" or, for that matter, any difference at all
> between the two drivetrains when you are applying forward pressure. I've
> seen so many descriptions and claims that a fixed drivetrain allows you to
> apply torque through greater portion of the pedal stroke and this is just
> nonsense; if you apply continuous forward pressure, the rear cog has no
> "knowledge" of whether it will freewheel or not when that pressure is
> released.
>
> This is not to say there isn't something magic about riding a fixed gear.
> I can imagine that if you get tired and begin to let off pressure at the
> top/bottom of your power stroke so as to be momentarily torque-neutral, the
> fixed drivetrain carrying the pedals past the top/bottom might be welcome,
> but that only applies if you stop applying forward pressure. I also suspect
> that fixed gear setups often end up on relatively lightweight steel frames,
> and that being forced to mash up hills in high gears enables people to
> experience frame flex ("planing", but I'm not a fan of that term) for the
> first time. If planing is a thing, then this DOES in fact allow you to
> transmit more power per stroke, but this is due to the (elastic potential)
> energy momentarily stored in the frame at max flex, not due to some
> drivetrain magic.
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
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Re: [RBW] Anaerobic Power, Aerobic Effort

[Deacon Patrick]

Daniel, have you ridden fixed?

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[Garth]

   
   I used to think more $$$, or "positive reviews", somehow assured 
"quality-durability" or some non-sense. Of course, no one can tell you what 
any of that truly means.   Ahahahahaha !"Pie in the sky"  too has a 
lovely quality also and lasts for-ever !!I know, along comes the 
story of "how/what "that thing" has done for me based on concepts that mean 
what I know not", and with conviction ! !   Ahahahaha !  A story is a story 
is a story and still but a story, and this too is another story !

This is no knock on any story, or the characters, concepts or the tellers 
 on the contrary . . . . to do so would just be another story. I have 
no grounds to judge a story with another story without an Absolute 
foundation for Existence Itself, in which ironically there is no judgment 
for there is nothing to judge, only Perfection and nothing but Perfection.  
I'm not saying anything unknown here, words and thoughts, heck LIFE ItSelf, 
is Universal, belonging to and the being of no one in particular and All 
specifically.  

This too , is "The Ride"  ... and It is AweSomethin' Wonderfull indeed !  


All that said . . ..  these are perfectly fine 130mm SS cranks w/46t ring 
included(may/not be what you want of course in teeth), and they have a 110 
SS version that can also be double, if/when. I havea set of the 110 BCD and 
they "just work" . No flexy like the Sugino. 

https://www.amazon.com/Origin8-Track-SS-Crankset/dp/B00IT3QBBC/?th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Origin8-Alloy-Crank-Arm-Set/dp/B000AOA6PK?th=1


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[RBW] Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[Joe Bernard]

I realize you're looking for general recommendations, but here's a nice example 
on the list of what Bill was discussing. 170 arms might be to short for you, 
but you can mount small rings on it. 

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Lj1NvpDuDIc

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Re: [RBW] Anaerobic Power, Aerobic Effort

[Daniel M]

If you put continuous forward pressure on a freewheel drivetrain, there is NO 
difference from putting continuous forward pressure on a fixed gear drivetrain. 
The top of the chain is taut and the bottom is slack; there is simply no 
"freewheel effect" or, for that matter, any difference at all between the two 
drivetrains when you are applying forward pressure. I've seen so many 
descriptions and claims that a fixed drivetrain allows you to apply torque 
through greater portion of the pedal stroke and this is just nonsense; if you 
apply continuous forward pressure, the rear cog has no "knowledge" of whether 
it will freewheel or not when that pressure is released.

This is not to say there isn't something magic about riding a fixed gear. I can 
imagine that if you get tired and begin to let off pressure at the top/bottom 
of your power stroke so as to be momentarily torque-neutral, the fixed 
drivetrain carrying the pedals past the top/bottom might be welcome, but that 
only applies if you stop applying forward pressure. I also suspect that fixed 
gear setups often end up on relatively lightweight steel frames, and that being 
forced to mash up hills in high gears enables people to experience frame flex 
("planing", but I'm not a fan of that term) for the first time. If planing is a 
thing, then this DOES in fact allow you to transmit more power per stroke, but 
this is due to the (elastic potential) energy momentarily stored in the frame 
at max flex, not due to some drivetrain magic.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[lconley]

VO has one.

IRD has one

I have two single speeds with Sugino single RD-2 cranks in silver (130 
BCD), they also make a track crank (Sugino 75) that is rounder and more 
centered and much more expensive. 

I have an NOS Spidel (144 BCD Campy Copy) with an NOS SR drillium chainring 
that is going on the Frank Jones, SR., but it is really a double with 
single chainring bolts.

Laing


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Re: [RBW] Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[Patrick Moore]

Any 110 bcd crank can be run ss with a short enough bb and the ring either
on the outside or the inside position. Me, I use the old Pro 5 Vis which
are available new (expensive) and used (onlist, cheapish). And there are
track cranks out there that would work fine and are reasonably priced; I
can't recall who makes it, but there was a recent, retro-style single made
by a relatively well known vendor that was discussed on list, RBW or Bob,
not too long ago.

Heck, even a 130 bcd can be run single; my Redline Monocog 29er had a
Truvative (I think) road crank with a 42 t ring, and you can find and fit
38 t rings for these (used one, with a 52, on the Ram's 7410 crank).

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 8:22 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Riding the Quickbeam fixed and only “shifting” the rear cog I am liking
> the idea of a single chainring crankset. Recommendations for best value
> bb/crankset over 20+ years?
>
> Paul: they are discontinuing their crankset, so not considering it.
>
> White Ind: pricy but a very attractive idea, either with their square
> taper or their MR30 cranks (will it last long enough to justify the risk of
> exclusivity in drivetrain/bb?)
>
> Compass: Very pricy. 10 Year Warrantee. works for QB (I ride 44t), but
> doesn’t go low enough for my Hunqapillar (I’ll be 38t or 34t).
>
> Others?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[Bill Lindsay]

When I hear the phrase 'best value', I assume the meaning is: most utility 
for the lowest cost.  

If that is what you mean by 'best value', then in my opinion, the greatest 
utility for the lowest cost would be to remove the second chainring that is 
bothering you, and replace the double-length chainring bolts with 
single-length chainring bolts.  Total cost: about $6.  

Here's a link to some inexpensive single-length chainring bolts:  PORKCHOP! 


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 7:22:34 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Riding the Quickbeam fixed and only “shifting” the rear cog I am liking 
> the idea of a single chainring crankset. Recommendations for best value 
> bb/crankset over 20+ years? 
>
> Paul: they are discontinuing their crankset, so not considering it. 
>
> White Ind: pricy but a very attractive idea, either with their square 
> taper or their MR30 cranks (will it last long enough to justify the risk of 
> exclusivity in drivetrain/bb?) 
>
> Compass: Very pricy. 10 Year Warrantee. works for QB (I ride 44t), but 
> doesn’t go low enough for my Hunqapillar (I’ll be 38t or 34t). 
>
> Others? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[RBW] Seeking Single Speed Crank Recomendations

[Deacon Patrick]

Riding the Quickbeam fixed and only “shifting” the rear cog I am liking the 
idea of a single chainring crankset. Recommendations for best value bb/crankset 
over 20+ years?

Paul: they are discontinuing their crankset, so not considering it.

White Ind: pricy but a very attractive idea, either with their square taper or 
their MR30 cranks (will it last long enough to justify the risk of exclusivity 
in drivetrain/bb?)

Compass: Very pricy. 10 Year Warrantee. works for QB (I ride 44t), but doesn’t 
go low enough for my Hunqapillar (I’ll be 38t or 34t).

Others?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Bill Lindsay]

RJM is right that anybody endeavoring to build the lightest possible bike won’t 
choose a steel frame. That said, there are still plenty of people who want a 
steel frame AND want it to weigh under 20 pounds.  

A sub 20 pound off-road ready Legolas should be straightforward. A sub 19 pound 
Roadeo with nothing dumb on it should also be straightforward. You just need to 
decide to do it, or not. Rackless, fenderless and lightless makes it much 
easier. 

Contemplating your 26 pound road bike and wishing it was <20 pounds is a little 
more complicated and costly:  

Take it completely apart
Weigh every single thing
Make sure the sum of the weights makes sense
Eliminate stuff and replace parts with lighter choices until the sum is where 
you want it to be
Put it back together 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Which tire was ridden on your first excursion into 650b?

[Philip Kim]

Started on Hetres on a trek elance 650b conversion. I went for a short 
jaunt on the C canal to test how they would do on the dirt road. I ended 
up riding 45 miles without realizing I had gone that far. After that, I 
haven't went back to narrow or bigger wheels.

On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 10:24:53 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Mine was Fatty Rumpkins on my 55 Bleriot, after years of riding a 
> carbonalu 700 x 25c bike.
>
> It was so much fun!!! Super comfy!!
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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[RJM]

Factoring in the headset weight differences and the weight differences 
between a Nitto Technomic 427g vs. a Bontrager race lite 189g road stem 
(just pulling these out of thin air) you might see a half pound difference. 
But, there is something about the classic styling of a nice quill stem on a 
roadeo that really sets it off. Plus, if you were going to be a weight 
weenie, I don't think you would be choosing a steel frame anyway. 


On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 12:50:57 PM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:

> Isn't it still true that you can save 1/2 pound with a threadless steerer 
> tube? Seems like that would help with getting to sub 20lbs. That's what I 
> would prefer to have on my Roadeo, someday
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 1:52:55 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote:
>>
>> Without the B17 and enormously heavy Crane bell, this gets pretty close 
>> 20 lbs.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 6:21:48 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>>>
>>> Reading Grant interview where he was saying they were shooting for 
>>> sub-20 wihen they developed  the Roadeo and was wondering if anyone here 
>>> has realized this on their Roadeo.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Which tire was ridden on your first excursion into 650b?

[Bob B]

I started with Swiftys on Synergys. They were great but wore out fast. I 
switched to regular Schwalbe Marathons and are still riding the same pair. 
Nothing flashy about them, but after 8–9k miles, they are good as ever for city 
commuting.

Bob B
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Which tire was ridden on your first excursion into 650b?

[Tim Gavin]

Eric, my experience was very similar to yours.  Col de Vies on Weinmann
ZAC19 rims, which have even deeper wells than the Synergy and are
commensurately harder to get a tire to bead up properly.

Better tires and better rims definitely improved the experience!  Now I
ride mostly Pari-Motos on Pacenti PL23 rims.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 6:11 AM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> My first was Panaracer Col de Vies on Synergy rims.
>
> It wasn't an especially good
> 
> first experience. The tires were mediocre, and the rims were awful. I
> couldn't get the tires mounted correctly with the deep wells of the rims.
>
> Eric
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:24 PM, lum gim fong 
> wrote:
>
>> Mine was Fatty Rumpkins on my 55 Bleriot, after years of riding a
>> carbonalu 700 x 25c bike.
>>
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[RBW] Which tire was ridden on your first excursion into 650b?

[Fullylugged]

I started with Grand Bois Cypres 32s.  Funny how fat they seemed then, compared 
to the 25s on my 700 race bike.  Now 32 is the skinniest I'll ride.  I have RBW 
Speedblends 34s (that measure a bit smaller) on one bike, Grand Bois Ourson 36s 
on another, and Soma Express 38s (that also measure a bit smaller) on another.  
My 26" ram still rides on the 32mm Panaracer style it originally came with. My 
"racy" wheels :)   I have Pari-Moto 38s on the shelf but they're not on 
anything right now.  Nice and comfy, but not very durable.

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Re: [RBW] Which tire was ridden on your first excursion into 650b?

[Eric Daume]

My first was Panaracer Col de Vies on Synergy rims.

It wasn't an especially good

first experience. The tires were mediocre, and the rims were awful. I
couldn't get the tires mounted correctly with the deep wells of the rims.

Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: Amyone make a headset with no plastic ring on the locknut?

[Peter White]

Garth is correct. However, should you ever really need a new headset, I'm
now stocking the Stronglight A9 again.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/str-hs.php

Peter White

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 5:54 AM, Garth  wrote:

> Sure, but you don't need a new headset. I'm not even sure you need another
> locknut without a hands-on experience. But for sake of a discussion alone,
> you can get just the replacement locknut. It need not be specifically for
> that headset, because Tange is using what appears to be the steel locknut
> from the $10 Passage headset for the Tange/Riv/IRD Roller Drive version.
> http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222398278/1433/
> Tange-Passage-New-1.html
>
> The Levin CDS uses a smaller, inside only seal ring that is not essential
> to it's use. It is not the same design as the Passage/Riv/IRD one.
> http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222399679/1439/
> Tange-Levin-CDS-1-Steel.html
>
> or just but the whole CDS headset and use the locknut only and save the
> rest for future use, for one you have another top race and bearing that
> will works with the Riv/IRD model you have. Note, the pics that many
> websites show for the CDS model are actually of the NJS model, w/o a ring.
> They don't have a seal for they assume track use.
> http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222353515/1433/
> Tange-Levin-CDS-1-264.html
>
> Or if the whole idea of plastic hangs you up, pun intended !, just the
> Levin NJS one as mentioned  and use it's locknut alone and save the rest.
> http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222399626/1433/
> Tange-Tange-Levin-NJS-1.html
>
> Again, you do not need a new headset !  Locknuts for these types of
> similar headsets are fairly universal. As long as you have the intended
> number of open threads upon which to place the locknut, the height of the
> locknut itself above the threading need not be precise.
>
> You can see all the Tange headsets here, minus the Riv/IRD version .
>  http://www.tangeseiki.com/jm/products/headset/standard/
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[RBW] Re: Amyone make a headset with no plastic ring on the locknut?

[Garth]

Sure, but you don't need a new headset. I'm not even sure you need another 
locknut without a hands-on experience. But for sake of a discussion alone, you 
can get just the replacement locknut. It need not be specifically for that 
headset, because Tange is using what appears to be the steel locknut from the 
$10 Passage headset for the Tange/Riv/IRD Roller Drive version.
http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222398278/1433/Tange-Passage-New-1.html

The Levin CDS uses a smaller, inside only seal ring that is not essential to 
it's use. It is not the same design as the Passage/Riv/IRD one.  
http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222399679/1439/Tange-Levin-CDS-1-Steel.html

or just but the whole CDS headset and use the locknut only and save the rest 
for future use, for one you have another top race and bearing that will works 
with the Riv/IRD model you have. Note, the pics that many websites show for the 
CDS model are actually of the NJS model, w/o a ring. They don't have a seal for 
they assume track use.
http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222353515/1433/Tange-Levin-CDS-1-264.html

Or if the whole idea of plastic hangs you up, pun intended !, just the Levin 
NJS one as mentioned  and use it's locknut alone and save the rest. 
http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222399626/1433/Tange-Tange-Levin-NJS-1.html

Again, you do not need a new headset !  Locknuts for these types of similar 
headsets are fairly universal. As long as you have the intended number of open 
threads upon which to place the locknut, the height of the locknut itself above 
the threading need not be precise. 

You can see all the Tange headsets here, minus the Riv/IRD version .
 
http://www.tangeseiki.com/jm/products/headset/standard/standard-threaded/standard-threaded-1.html

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