date:20221115

Re: [RBW] For Sale: A23 Wheel set and Components from a 2020 Roadini build

2022-11-15 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Yup

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 7:27:53 PM UTC-8 Brendan Willard in SF 
wrote:

> No name. No location. No pics. No Price. No Post. JMHO.
>
> Brendan in SF
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:41:45 PM UTC-8 aleksandr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great! how much for all three? 
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 9:09 PM Rob Collard  wrote:
>>
>>> All those items are available. 
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Aleksandr Usherenko  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> If you are willing to sell the shifters, front and rear detailers, 
>>> please let me know. 
>>>
>>> Thank you. 
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:14 PM Rob Collard  wrote:
>>>
 The following components are for sale. Send me an offer and we can work 
 out final price and shipping:

 *Please message me for photos of the following items:*

 *Sold together. *

 Shimano Tiagra brake levers.

 Shaminao Dura Ace, 9 speed bar end shifters. 

 Shimano BR R650 side caliper front and rear brakes.

 Nitto M151F compact drop handlebar. 46 mm width. Approximately 140 mm 
 drop.

 Brooks leather handlebar tape (black).

 Nitto Tallux quill stem. 

 Jagwire Cables for brakes and shifters including cable stops.

  

 *Sold separately*

 173 mm crankset.  Silver. 

 46, 34T chain rings. 

 kmc 9 speed chain.

 Front Derailer: Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed. 

 Rear Derailleur:  Shimano Deore (model M591) long cage 9 speed.

 9 speed 11-32t  Shimano Cassette. Mounted on Velocity A23 wheel with 9 
 speed hub. I can remove the cassette if you'd like to buy separately.

 Velocity A23 Wheel Set 32/32 700c.

 Shimano bottom bracket. BB-UN55 sealed cartridge unit. 110 mm. 68 
 BC1.37 x 24

 Stainless steel bottle cages (set of two)

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Re: [RBW] A Few Thoughts About FS posts

2022-11-15 Thread Joe Bernard

I'm not stressed about supposedly off-topic bikes - I find most bikes to be 
interesting in at least one way - but the 'no prices' thing really grinds 
my gears. I don't want to guess at a number and compete with other 
guessers, just tell me what you need to let it go. 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 9:48:11 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

>
> Agreed. I think the current situation (iPhone just changed that to “Siri 
> ratio”) is fine. If you think some of your friends here might want to buy 
> your item, post it. If you think you’ll get hand wringing or eye rolling 
> over the bike, the parts, or the gear, and you’re not a troll… don’t.
>
> That said, I think that’s a fantastic topic for a thread! 
> “What for sale stuff do you have that you’d NEVER post on the Riv List?”
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:46:08 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> I can’t imagine that carbon fiber racing bikes would be very popular on 
>> this list. Anybody who knows this audience even a little will stick to FS 
>> posts that readers here will respond to. I don’t predict a flood of ads for 
>> un-Rivendellish stuff.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>
>> To my mind Riv is both a brand and a philosophy. I think it’s great that 
>> Grant’s ideas are getting traction with other manufacturers — a rising tide 
>> lifts all boats and all that. I personally have no problem with for sale 
>> posts that include Riv-inspired brands or builds.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>>
>> I’m glad you brought these things up. I’ve had a thought on my mind for 
>> a bit that might be appropriate to discuss here. (If not I apologize and 
>> please delete this Jim. Also apologies if this has been discussed and I 
>> missed it or if it’s in the moderator guidelines and I forgot about it.)
>>
>> My instinct tells me that only Rivendell bikes or frames should be sold 
>> here. If I saw a Specialized bike or frame (nothing against Specialized 
>> they’re just the first mega company that came to mind) for sale here, I’d 
>> find it inappropriate. I saw a non-Riv (and to my knowledge not at all 
>> Riv-related) bike posted for sale here recently and I thought it was 
>> inappropriate. But I think it’s fine posting B-stone here since this group 
>> is essentially a spin off of the original BOB group and because of you 
>> know…Grant.
>>
>> But many here are into bikes from “friends” of Rivendell or Riv-related 
>> companies such as Crust or B-stone. Crust sells Rivendell bikes alongside 
>> their own. I don’t know of any other bike manufacturers who do that. Many 
>> of us put Crust handlebars or Ronnie Romance bags on our bikes. We like 
>> their stuff because they make stuff that is mostly in alignment with the 
>> stuff Rivendell makes which is why we love Rivendell. 
>>
>> The reason I bring this up is because I have a Crust that’s no longer 
>> made and may be considered rare that I’ve been considering selling. My 
>> loyalty is to this group first and foremost and I’d rather someone here 
>> have first dibs on a bike they might want rather than posting it on the 
>> 650b group (where some here might see it), or Craigslist or last and 
>> definitely least, eBay. I’m a member of the 650b group but I never go on 
>> there and can’t remember if I’ve ever participated in any discussions 
>> there. 
>>
>> Should we make a list of non-Riv bikes that we feel appropriate to post 
>> here, if any? If B-Stone counts, what is the criteria that will make other 
>> companies count? Should we start a thread of Riv-adjacent bikes for sale 
>> and keep all of it consolidated to a single thread much like the Craigslist 
>> part 1, 2 and 3 threads?
>>
>> Thoughts? 
>>
>> Joe in Los Angeles 
>>
>> PS-I hinted about the said FS bike in another post here that brought up 
>> Crust bikes. I felt that was not inappropriate ;-)
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Dave C  wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for the feedback and admin work.
>>
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Hey there - 
>>>
>>> Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:
>>>
>>> There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended 
>>> up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than 
>>> good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction 
>>> house. There are other websites which do that.
>>>
>>> I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in 
>>> the review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted 
>>> before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we all 
>>> end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap meet" 
>>> style posts that get pretty

Re: [RBW] A Few Thoughts About FS posts

2022-11-15 Thread Philip Williamson


Agreed. I think the current situation (iPhone just changed that to “Siri 
ratio”) is fine. If you think some of your friends here might want to buy 
your item, post it. If you think you’ll get hand wringing or eye rolling 
over the bike, the parts, or the gear, and you’re not a troll… don’t.

That said, I think that’s a fantastic topic for a thread! 
“What for sale stuff do you have that you’d NEVER post on the Riv List?”

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif


On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:46:08 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I can’t imagine that carbon fiber racing bikes would be very popular on 
> this list. Anybody who knows this audience even a little will stick to FS 
> posts that readers here will respond to. I don’t predict a flood of ads for 
> un-Rivendellish stuff.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> To my mind Riv is both a brand and a philosophy. I think it’s great that 
> Grant’s ideas are getting traction with other manufacturers — a rising tide 
> lifts all boats and all that. I personally have no problem with for sale 
> posts that include Riv-inspired brands or builds.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
> I’m glad you brought these things up. I’ve had a thought on my mind for a 
> bit that might be appropriate to discuss here. (If not I apologize and 
> please delete this Jim. Also apologies if this has been discussed and I 
> missed it or if it’s in the moderator guidelines and I forgot about it.)
>
> My instinct tells me that only Rivendell bikes or frames should be sold 
> here. If I saw a Specialized bike or frame (nothing against Specialized 
> they’re just the first mega company that came to mind) for sale here, I’d 
> find it inappropriate. I saw a non-Riv (and to my knowledge not at all 
> Riv-related) bike posted for sale here recently and I thought it was 
> inappropriate. But I think it’s fine posting B-stone here since this group 
> is essentially a spin off of the original BOB group and because of you 
> know…Grant.
>
> But many here are into bikes from “friends” of Rivendell or Riv-related 
> companies such as Crust or B-stone. Crust sells Rivendell bikes alongside 
> their own. I don’t know of any other bike manufacturers who do that. Many 
> of us put Crust handlebars or Ronnie Romance bags on our bikes. We like 
> their stuff because they make stuff that is mostly in alignment with the 
> stuff Rivendell makes which is why we love Rivendell. 
>
> The reason I bring this up is because I have a Crust that’s no longer made 
> and may be considered rare that I’ve been considering selling. My loyalty 
> is to this group first and foremost and I’d rather someone here have first 
> dibs on a bike they might want rather than posting it on the 650b group 
> (where some here might see it), or Craigslist or last and definitely least, 
> eBay. I’m a member of the 650b group but I never go on there and can’t 
> remember if I’ve ever participated in any discussions there. 
>
> Should we make a list of non-Riv bikes that we feel appropriate to post 
> here, if any? If B-Stone counts, what is the criteria that will make other 
> companies count? Should we start a thread of Riv-adjacent bikes for sale 
> and keep all of it consolidated to a single thread much like the Craigslist 
> part 1, 2 and 3 threads?
>
> Thoughts? 
>
> Joe in Los Angeles 
>
> PS-I hinted about the said FS bike in another post here that brought up 
> Crust bikes. I felt that was not inappropriate ;-)
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Dave C  wrote:
>
> Thank you for the feedback and admin work.
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Hey there - 
>>
>> Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:
>>
>> There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended 
>> up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than 
>> good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction 
>> house. There are other websites which do that.
>>
>> I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in the 
>> review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted 
>> before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we all 
>> end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap meet" 
>> style posts that get pretty broad, or are even introduced with "I've 
>> cross-posted this into..." 
>>
>> For the second condition, I'll admit more leeway for those who share 
>> images and ride reports and the things that make this a valuable place. 
>>
>> For the first issue, moving forward if something is listed for sale 
>> without a clear asking price and lands in the queue, I'm going to not pass 
>> it through. And might ask non-moderated posters to specify a price if a 
>>

Re: [RBW] A Few Thoughts About FS posts

2022-11-15 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

I can’t imagine that carbon fiber racing bikes would be very popular on this 
list. Anybody who knows this audience even a little will stick to FS posts that 
readers here will respond to. I don’t predict a flood of ads for 
un-Rivendellish stuff.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
> 
> To my mind Riv is both a brand and a philosophy. I think it’s great that 
> Grant’s ideas are getting traction with other manufacturers — a rising tide 
> lifts all boats and all that. I personally have no problem with for sale 
> posts that include Riv-inspired brands or builds.
> 
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
> 
> Sent from my Atari 400
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m glad you brought these things up. I’ve had a thought on my mind for a 
>> bit that might be appropriate to discuss here. (If not I apologize and 
>> please delete this Jim. Also apologies if this has been discussed and I 
>> missed it or if it’s in the moderator guidelines and I forgot about it.)
>> 
>> My instinct tells me that only Rivendell bikes or frames should be sold 
>> here. If I saw a Specialized bike or frame (nothing against Specialized 
>> they’re just the first mega company that came to mind) for sale here, I’d 
>> find it inappropriate. I saw a non-Riv (and to my knowledge not at all 
>> Riv-related) bike posted for sale here recently and I thought it was 
>> inappropriate. But I think it’s fine posting B-stone here since this group 
>> is essentially a spin off of the original BOB group and because of you 
>> know…Grant.
>> 
>> But many here are into bikes from “friends” of Rivendell or Riv-related 
>> companies such as Crust or B-stone. Crust sells Rivendell bikes alongside 
>> their own. I don’t know of any other bike manufacturers who do that. Many of 
>> us put Crust handlebars or Ronnie Romance bags on our bikes. We like their 
>> stuff because they make stuff that is mostly in alignment with the stuff 
>> Rivendell makes which is why we love Rivendell. 
>> 
>> The reason I bring this up is because I have a Crust that’s no longer made 
>> and may be considered rare that I’ve been considering selling. My loyalty is 
>> to this group first and foremost and I’d rather someone here have first dibs 
>> on a bike they might want rather than posting it on the 650b group (where 
>> some here might see it), or Craigslist or last and definitely least, eBay. 
>> I’m a member of the 650b group but I never go on there and can’t remember if 
>> I’ve ever participated in any discussions there. 
>> 
>> Should we make a list of non-Riv bikes that we feel appropriate to post 
>> here, if any? If B-Stone counts, what is the criteria that will make other 
>> companies count? Should we start a thread of Riv-adjacent bikes for sale and 
>> keep all of it consolidated to a single thread much like the Craigslist part 
>> 1, 2 and 3 threads?
>> 
>> Thoughts? 
>> 
>> Joe in Los Angeles 
>> 
>> PS-I hinted about the said FS bike in another post here that brought up 
>> Crust bikes. I felt that was not inappropriate ;-)
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Dave C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the feedback and admin work.
>>> 
>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
 Hey there - 
 
 Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:
 
 There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended 
 up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than 
 good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction 
 house. There are other websites which do that.
 
 I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in the 
 review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted 
 before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we 
 all end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap 
 meet" style posts that get pretty broad, or are even introduced with "I've 
 cross-posted this into..." 
 
 For the second condition, I'll admit more leeway for those who share 
 images and ride reports and the things that make this a valuable place. 
 
 For the first issue, moving forward if something is listed for sale 
 without a clear asking price and lands in the queue, I'm going to not pass 
 it through. And might ask non-moderated posters to specify a price if a 
 listing is not clear. 
 
 For reference - in this last batch of ~20 posts which landed in 
 moderation, there were 6 which had no-price-gimmee-an-offer text. 
 
 Thanks!
 
 Jim / list admin
 
 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Slin

@Scott - the angle on the diagram refers to the rider's back :) 

@Brokebike - I have heard that Cambium saddles are different from the 
Brooks leather saddles and meant to be set up horizontally. Angling it 
upwards might have caused your pelvis to tilt back causing you to hunch 
over in the lower back, or something like that)

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 7:08:10 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, that (Cambium) seems suspect for sure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 9:20 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I should mention, I’m normally a leather saddle guy. I have a variety of 
> Brooks and Berthoud saddles; one Brooks being about 15 years old and has a 
> distinct broken-in sag to it, but the saddle itself is still “level”.
>
> The saddle on my Gus is a Cambium, which may factor into it. It’s not my 
> first Cambium, but the first I’ve tried running with a slight upward angle. 
> Perhaps one of my seasoned leather saddles would’ve been a better choice 
> from the start?
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>
> I always thought I tilted my Brooks saddles up just a bit.  They look 
> tilted.  But then I put a level on them out of curiosity and they were all 
> actually level.  Point being, maybe all those saddles that appear to be 
> tilted up in the pictures aren't actually?  Maybe that banana sway creates 
> a bit of an optical illusion?
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:49:16 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I was a big doubter of Brooks saddles in general & the nose up thing in 
>> particular. But, after fitting a B17 I quite liked it. Except I kept 
>> sliding forward - and onto the narrow, uncomfortable part of the saddle. So 
>> I started adjusting it nose up in very small increments. I think I have it 
>> at just the right amount of tilt as I stay planted on the widest part of 
>> the saddle. I now do not slide forward or backward & have zero pressure. Of 
>> possible note I am very upright with the Bosco grips 2”-3” above the 
>> saddle. The whole thing goes against everything my 50 years of cycling 
>> taught me. Also, I had lower back surgery (microdiskectomy) three years ago 
>> and my back always improves with a bike ride.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if 
>> anyone else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, I'm 
>> a relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with no 
>> previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has always 
>> ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.
>>
>> As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups 
>> for all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing 
>> I've noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are 
>> more upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and 
>> upright (Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to 
>> tilt their saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. 
>> I recall reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that 
>> essentially recommend positioning the saddle this way on these types of 
>> bikes.
>>
>> So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I 
>> took the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of 
>> many, many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I 
>> tilted the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle 
>> height, and off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding 
>> down the backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying to 
>> get used to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been riding 
>> my Gus a lot. Many different types of terrain and varying distances. It's a 
>> joy to ride of course, and has been extremely comfortable otherwise from 
>> the get-go. i love it.
>>
>> However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging 
>> lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and 
>> continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the bike 
>> and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I started 
>> to wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past week, I 
>> started experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is on all 
>> my other bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars are 
>> much higher in relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a couple of 
>> days riding with the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride yesterday), 
>> I'm experiencing no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's too early to 
>> count out coincidence, but something tells me it's not.
>>
>> So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates 
>> to

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Hoch in ut

Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite!  
The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain 
biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering 
around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but 
never could. 
The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around and 
over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung up. 
We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the front 
end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every aspect. 

One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is 
straight line descents. I could bomb steep gravel roads like Bode Miller 
soaring down a run. 

Both good bikes. Just depends on what you prefer and are used to. I 
personally gave the long wheelbase a couple of tries but couldn’t ever come 
to grips with it. You might. 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:16:39 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> RE those comparing Romanceurs and Rivs 
>
> I loved my (XL disc) Romanceur - but have a bad shoulder / neck. I 
> couldn't run drops. It didn't handle that well with upright bars IMO. The 
> short wheelbase makes it hop  and wheelie a lot climbing. I love climbing. 
> It rode amazing with a shortish stem and towel racks, but was a real neck 
> destroyer. Looked great though. Hauled front basket cargo like nobody's 
> business. I loved it - but not for me. 
>
> I traded it for a Clementine 59 and (also bought a) Clem Smith JR 64. OG 
> clementine feels a tad like the Romanceur a bit with a bit more room in the 
> front for swept backs and appropriate chain stays to keep it on the ground. 
> Climbs wonderfully. Clem JR just cruises like nobody's business. One of the 
> most fun and cruisey bikes ive ever ridden. The more slack head tube makes 
> it a bit floppier than the Clementine with a high front load (ie basket or 
> porteur bag) Im likely going to keep the Clementine and part with the JR 
> only because of slight overlap and lack of space. 
>
> Now that I took the RIV plunge, having a high maintenance body that gets 
> pissed off easily, I can't imagine not owning a rivendell for my main ride 
> anymore. I dont think you can make a wrong decision. I think it comes down 
> to more or less tire size, aesthetics, and availability. Each has their 
> slight niche variations, but overall no matter what be amazing. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:47:06 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Triples are my fave. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s the Mermaid color. They only had one in stock so the decision was 
>>> pretty easy. 
>>>
>>> Right now I’ll be going 3x9. I bought a NOS Ritchey triple recently to 
>>> put on my Long Haul Trucker but it’ll be going on the Gus. I could see 
>>> going 2x9 or 2x10 at some point. White Industries makes some really nice 
>>> stuff. 
>>>
>>> It’s funny because I just bought some Paul Motolite brakes for the 
>>> Trucker and now they’ll be pulled for the Gus. Back to the mismatched 
>>> v-brakes. 
>>>
>>> I still need wheels but I found a cheap set on eBay. They’ll do for now. 
>>>
>>> The shipping notification just came through. Hopefully I’ll have it 
>>> early next week. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Awesome!!! Which color is your Gus, Jacob? Very much looking forward to 
>>> seeing it built up. What sorta gearing you have in mind?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out 
 of Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all 
 day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together 
 quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help! 


 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:

> Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The 
> Gus/Susie really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but 
> rides 
> great on the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse 
> tires, and I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind 
> of 
> wish I'd gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and 
> there's a small drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. 
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a 
>> separate one.
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for 
>>> something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: A Few Thoughts About FS posts

2022-11-15 Thread Jay Lonner

To my mind Riv is both a brand and a philosophy. I think it’s great that Grant’s ideas are getting traction with other manufacturers — a rising tide lifts all boats and all that. I personally have no problem with for sale posts that include Riv-inspired brands or builds.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Joe Mullins wrote:I’m glad you brought these things up. I’ve had a thought on my mind for a bit that might be appropriate to discuss here. (If not I apologize and please delete this Jim. Also apologies if this has been discussed and I missed it or if it’s in the moderator guidelines and I forgot about it.)My instinct tells me that only Rivendell bikes or frames should be sold here. If I saw a Specialized bike or frame (nothing against Specialized they’re just the first mega company that came to mind) for sale here, I’d find it inappropriate. I saw a non-Riv (and to my knowledge not at all Riv-related) bike posted for sale here recently and I thought it was inappropriate. But I think it’s fine posting B-stone here since this group is essentially a spin off of the original BOB group and because of you know…Grant.But many here are into bikes from “friends” of Rivendell or Riv-related companies such as Crust or B-stone. Crust sells Rivendell bikes alongside their own. I don’t know of any other bike manufacturers who do that. Many of us put Crust handlebars or Ronnie Romance bags on our bikes. We like their stuff because they make stuff that is mostly in alignment with the stuff Rivendell makes which is why we love Rivendell. The reason I bring this up is because I have a Crust that’s no longer made and may be considered rare that I’ve been considering selling. My loyalty is to this group first and foremost and I’d rather someone here have first dibs on a bike they might want rather than posting it on the 650b group (where some here might see it), or Craigslist or last and definitely least, eBay. I’m a member of the 650b group but I never go on there and can’t remember if I’ve ever participated in any discussions there. Should we make a list of non-Riv bikes that we feel appropriate to post here, if any? If B-Stone counts, what is the criteria that will make other companies count? Should we start a thread of Riv-adjacent bikes for sale and keep all of it consolidated to a single thread much like the Craigslist part 1, 2 and 3 threads?Thoughts? Joe in Los Angeles PS-I hinted about the said FS bike in another post here that brought up Crust bikes. I felt that was not inappropriate ;-)On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Dave C wrote:Thank you for the feedback and admin work.On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:Hey there - Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction house. There are other websites which do that.I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in the review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we all end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap meet" style posts that get pretty broad, or are even introduced with "I've cross-posted this into..." For the second condition, I'll admit more leeway for those who share images and ride reports and the things that make this a valuable place. For the first issue, moving forward if something is listed for sale without a clear asking price and lands in the queue, I'm going to not pass it through. And might ask non-moderated posters to specify a price if a listing is not clear. For reference - in this last batch of ~20 posts which landed in moderation, there were 6 which had no-price-gimmee-an-offer text. Thanks!Jim / list admin

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Few Thoughts About FS posts

2022-11-15 Thread Joe Mullins

I’m glad you brought these things up. I’ve had a thought on my mind for a bit that might be appropriate to discuss here. (If not I apologize and please delete this Jim. Also apologies if this has been discussed and I missed it or if it’s in the moderator guidelines and I forgot about it.)My instinct tells me that only Rivendell bikes or frames should be sold here. If I saw a Specialized bike or frame (nothing against Specialized they’re just the first mega company that came to mind) for sale here, I’d find it inappropriate. I saw a non-Riv (and to my knowledge not at all Riv-related) bike posted for sale here recently and I thought it was inappropriate. But I think it’s fine posting B-stone here since this group is essentially a spin off of the original BOB group and because of you know…Grant.But many here are into bikes from “friends” of Rivendell or Riv-related companies such as Crust or B-stone. Crust sells Rivendell bikes alongside their own. I don’t know of any other bike manufacturers who do that. Many of us put Crust handlebars or Ronnie Romance bags on our bikes. We like their stuff because they make stuff that is mostly in alignment with the stuff Rivendell makes which is why we love Rivendell. The reason I bring this up is because I have a Crust that’s no longer made and may be considered rare that I’ve been considering selling. My loyalty is to this group first and foremost and I’d rather someone here have first dibs on a bike they might want rather than posting it on the 650b group (where some here might see it), or Craigslist or last and definitely least, eBay. I’m a member of the 650b group but I never go on there and can’t remember if I’ve ever participated in any discussions there. Should we make a list of non-Riv bikes that we feel appropriate to post here, if any? If B-Stone counts, what is the criteria that will make other companies count? Should we start a thread of Riv-adjacent bikes for sale and keep all of it consolidated to a single thread much like the Craigslist part 1, 2 and 3 threads?Thoughts? Joe in Los Angeles PS-I hinted about the said FS bike in another post here that brought up Crust bikes. I felt that was not inappropriate ;-)On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Dave C wrote:Thank you for the feedback and admin work.On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:Hey there - Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction house. There are other websites which do that.I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in the review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we all end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap meet" style posts that get pretty broad, or are even introduced with "I've cross-posted this into..." For the second condition, I'll admit more leeway for those who share images and ride reports and the things that make this a valuable place. For the first issue, moving forward if something is listed for sale without a clear asking price and lands in the queue, I'm going to not pass it through. And might ask non-moderated posters to specify a price if a listing is not clear. For reference - in this last batch of ~20 posts which landed in moderation, there were 6 which had no-price-gimmee-an-offer text. Thanks!Jim / list admin

Re: [RBW] For Sale: A23 Wheel set and Components from a 2020 Roadini build

2022-11-15 Thread Brendan Willard in SF

No name. No location. No pics. No Price. No Post. JMHO.

Brendan in SF

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:41:45 PM UTC-8 aleksandr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Great! how much for all three? 
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 9:09 PM Rob Collard  wrote:
>
>> All those items are available. 
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Aleksandr Usherenko  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> If you are willing to sell the shifters, front and rear detailers, 
>> please let me know. 
>>
>> Thank you. 
>> Alex
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:14 PM Rob Collard  wrote:
>>
>>> The following components are for sale. Send me an offer and we can work 
>>> out final price and shipping:
>>>
>>> *Please message me for photos of the following items:*
>>>
>>> *Sold together. *
>>>
>>> Shimano Tiagra brake levers.
>>>
>>> Shaminao Dura Ace, 9 speed bar end shifters. 
>>>
>>> Shimano BR R650 side caliper front and rear brakes.
>>>
>>> Nitto M151F compact drop handlebar. 46 mm width. Approximately 140 mm 
>>> drop.
>>>
>>> Brooks leather handlebar tape (black).
>>>
>>> Nitto Tallux quill stem. 
>>>
>>> Jagwire Cables for brakes and shifters including cable stops.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Sold separately*
>>>
>>> 173 mm crankset.  Silver. 
>>>
>>> 46, 34T chain rings. 
>>>
>>> kmc 9 speed chain.
>>>
>>> Front Derailer: Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed. 
>>>
>>> Rear Derailleur:  Shimano Deore (model M591) long cage 9 speed.
>>>
>>> 9 speed 11-32t  Shimano Cassette. Mounted on Velocity A23 wheel with 9 
>>> speed hub. I can remove the cassette if you'd like to buy separately.
>>>
>>> Velocity A23 Wheel Set 32/32 700c.
>>>
>>> Shimano bottom bracket. BB-UN55 sealed cartridge unit. 110 mm. 68 BC1.37 
>>> x 24
>>>
>>> Stainless steel bottle cages (set of two)
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Re: [RBW] saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Richard Rose

Yes, that (Cambium) seems suspect for sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2022, at 9:20 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I should mention, I’m normally a leather saddle guy. I have a variety of 
> Brooks and Berthoud saddles; one Brooks being about 15 years old and has a 
> distinct broken-in sag to it, but the saddle itself is still “level”.
> 
> The saddle on my Gus is a Cambium, which may factor into it. It’s not my 
> first Cambium, but the first I’ve tried running with a slight upward angle. 
> Perhaps one of my seasoned leather saddles would’ve been a better choice from 
> the start?
> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>>> 
>> I always thought I tilted my Brooks saddles up just a bit.  They look 
>> tilted.  But then I put a level on them out of curiosity and they were all 
>> actually level.  Point being, maybe all those saddles that appear to be 
>> tilted up in the pictures aren't actually?  Maybe that banana sway creates a 
>> bit of an optical illusion?
>> 
>> Bill S
>> San Diego
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:49:16 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I was a big doubter of Brooks saddles in general & the nose up thing in 
>>> particular. But, after fitting a B17 I quite liked it. Except I kept 
>>> sliding forward - and onto the narrow, uncomfortable part of the saddle. So 
>>> I started adjusting it nose up in very small increments. I think I have it 
>>> at just the right amount of tilt as I stay planted on the widest part of 
>>> the saddle. I now do not slide forward or backward & have zero pressure. Of 
>>> possible note I am very upright with the Bosco grips 2”-3” above the 
>>> saddle. The whole thing goes against everything my 50 years of cycling 
>>> taught me. Also, I had lower back surgery (microdiskectomy) three years ago 
>>> and my back always improves with a bike ride.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
> 

>>> 
 I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if 
 anyone else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, 
 I'm a relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with 
 no previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has 
 always ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.

 As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups 
 for all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing 
 I've noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are 
 more upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and 
 upright (Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to 
 tilt their saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. 
 I recall reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that 
 essentially recommend positioning the saddle this way on these types of 
 bikes.

 So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I took 
 the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of 
 many, many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I 
 tilted the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle 
 height, and off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding 
 down the backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying 
 to get used to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been 
 riding my Gus a lot. Many different types of terrain and varying 
 distances. It's a joy to ride of course, and has been extremely 
 comfortable otherwise from the get-go. i love it.

 However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging 
 lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and 
 continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the 
 bike and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I 
 started to wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past 
 week, I started experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is 
 on all my other bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars 
 are much higher in relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a 
 couple of days riding with the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride 
 yesterday), I'm experiencing no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's 
 too early to count out coincidence, but something tells me it's not.

 So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates to 
 these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is 
 different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts, 
 downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it, 
 physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference

[RBW] Re: A Few Thoughts About FS posts

2022-11-15 Thread Dave C

Thank you for the feedback and admin work.

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Hey there - 
>
> Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:
>
> There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended 
> up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than 
> good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction 
> house. There are other websites which do that.
>
> I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in the 
> review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted 
> before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we all 
> end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap meet" 
> style posts that get pretty broad, or are even introduced with "I've 
> cross-posted this into..." 
>
> For the second condition, I'll admit more leeway for those who share 
> images and ride reports and the things that make this a valuable place. 
>
> For the first issue, moving forward if something is listed for sale 
> without a clear asking price and lands in the queue, I'm going to not pass 
> it through. And might ask non-moderated posters to specify a price if a 
> listing is not clear. 
>
> For reference - in this last batch of ~20 posts which landed in 
> moderation, there were 6 which had no-price-gimmee-an-offer text. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim / list admin
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] For Sale: A23 Wheel set and Components from a 2020 Roadini build

2022-11-15 Thread Aleksandr Usherenko

Great! how much for all three?

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 9:09 PM Rob Collard  wrote:

> All those items are available.
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Aleksandr Usherenko <
> aleksandrushere...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> If you are willing to sell the shifters, front and rear detailers,
> please let me know.
>
> Thank you.
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:14 PM Rob Collard  wrote:
>
>> The following components are for sale. Send me an offer and we can work
>> out final price and shipping:
>>
>> *Please message me for photos of the following items:*
>>
>> *Sold together. *
>>
>> Shimano Tiagra brake levers.
>>
>> Shaminao Dura Ace, 9 speed bar end shifters.
>>
>> Shimano BR R650 side caliper front and rear brakes.
>>
>> Nitto M151F compact drop handlebar. 46 mm width. Approximately 140 mm
>> drop.
>>
>> Brooks leather handlebar tape (black).
>>
>> Nitto Tallux quill stem.
>>
>> Jagwire Cables for brakes and shifters including cable stops.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Sold separately*
>>
>> 173 mm crankset.  Silver.
>>
>> 46, 34T chain rings.
>>
>> kmc 9 speed chain.
>>
>> Front Derailer: Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed.
>>
>> Rear Derailleur:  Shimano Deore (model M591) long cage 9 speed.
>>
>> 9 speed 11-32t  Shimano Cassette. Mounted on Velocity A23 wheel with 9
>> speed hub. I can remove the cassette if you'd like to buy separately.
>>
>> Velocity A23 Wheel Set 32/32 700c.
>>
>> Shimano bottom bracket. BB-UN55 sealed cartridge unit. 110 mm. 68 BC1.37
>> x 24
>>
>> Stainless steel bottle cages (set of two)
>>
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Re: [RBW] saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Brian Turner

I should mention, I’m normally a leather saddle guy. I have a variety of Brooks and Berthoud saddles; one Brooks being about 15 years old and has a distinct broken-in sag to it, but the saddle itself is still “level”.The saddle on my Gus is a Cambium, which may factor into it. It’s not my first Cambium, but the first I’ve tried running with a slight upward angle. Perhaps one of my seasoned leather saddles would’ve been a better choice from the start?On Nov 15, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Bill Schairer wrote:I always thought I tilted my Brooks saddles up just a bit. They look tilted. But then I put a level on them out of curiosity and they were all actually level. Point being, maybe all those saddles that appear to be tilted up in the pictures aren't actually? Maybe that banana sway creates a bit of an optical illusion?Bill SSan DiegoOn Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:49:16 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I was a big doubter of Brooks saddles in general & the nose up thing in particular. But, after fitting a B17 I quite liked it. Except I kept sliding forward - and onto the narrow, uncomfortable part of the saddle. So I started adjusting it nose up in very small increments. I think I have it at just the right amount of tilt as I stay planted on the widest part of the saddle. I now do not slide forward or backward & have zero pressure. Of possible note I am very upright with the Bosco grips 2”-3” above the saddle. The whole thing goes against everything my 50 years of cycling taught me. Also, I had lower back surgery (microdiskectomy) three years ago and my back always improves with a bike ride.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 15, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Brian Turner wrote:I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if anyone else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, I'm a relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with no previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has always ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups for all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing I've noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are more upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and upright (Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to tilt their saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. I recall reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that essentially recommend positioning the saddle this way on these types of bikes.So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I took the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of many, many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I tilted the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle height, and off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding down the backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying to get used to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been riding my Gus a lot. Many different types of terrain and varying distances. It's a joy to ride of course, and has been extremely comfortable otherwise from the get-go. i love it.However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the bike and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I started to wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past week, I started experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is on all my other bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars are much higher in relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a couple of days riding with the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride yesterday), I'm experiencing no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's too early to count out coincidence, but something tells me it's not.So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates to these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts, downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it, physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference for the upward saddle tilt for an upright riding position? I'm certainly no expert on bike fit, but is there a logical justification for it, other than just personal preference? Has anyone else here had a similar experience? I'm going to keep it this way for a while to see if my hunch continues to bear fruit - fingers crossed.

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Re: [RBW] For Sale: A23 Wheel set and Components from a 2020 Roadini build

2022-11-15 Thread Rob Collard

All those items are available. On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Aleksandr Usherenko wrote:If you are willing to sell the shifters, front and rear detailers, please let me know. Thank you. AlexOn Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:14 PM Rob Collard wrote:The following components are for sale. Send me an offer and we can work out final price and shipping:Please message me for photos of the following items:Sold together. Shimano Tiagra brake levers.Shaminao Dura Ace, 9 speed bar end shifters. Shimano BR R650 side caliper front and rear brakes.Nitto M151F compact drop handlebar. 46 mm width. Approximately 140 mm drop.Brooks leather handlebar tape (black).Nitto Tallux quill stem. Jagwire Cables for brakes and shifters including cable stops. Sold separately173 mm crankset. Silver. 46, 34T chain rings. kmc 9 speed chain.Front Derailer: Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed. Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore (model M591) long cage 9 speed.9 speed 11-32t Shimano Cassette. Mounted on Velocity A23 wheel with 9 speed hub. I can remove the cassette if you'd like to buy separately.Velocity A23 Wheel Set 32/32 700c.Shimano bottom bracket. BB-UN55 sealed cartridge unit. 110 mm. 68 BC1.37 x 24Stainless steel bottle cages (set of two)

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Re: [RBW] saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Bill Schairer

I always thought I tilted my Brooks saddles up just a bit.  They look 
tilted.  But then I put a level on them out of curiosity and they were all 
actually level.  Point being, maybe all those saddles that appear to be 
tilted up in the pictures aren't actually?  Maybe that banana sway creates 
a bit of an optical illusion?

Bill S
San Diego

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:49:16 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I was a big doubter of Brooks saddles in general & the nose up thing in 
> particular. But, after fitting a B17 I quite liked it. Except I kept 
> sliding forward - and onto the narrow, uncomfortable part of the saddle. So 
> I started adjusting it nose up in very small increments. I think I have it 
> at just the right amount of tilt as I stay planted on the widest part of 
> the saddle. I now do not slide forward or backward & have zero pressure. Of 
> possible note I am very upright with the Bosco grips 2”-3” above the 
> saddle. The whole thing goes against everything my 50 years of cycling 
> taught me. Also, I had lower back surgery (microdiskectomy) three years ago 
> and my back always improves with a bike ride.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if 
> anyone else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, I'm 
> a relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with no 
> previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has always 
> ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.
>
> As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups 
> for all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing 
> I've noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are 
> more upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and 
> upright (Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to 
> tilt their saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. 
> I recall reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that 
> essentially recommend positioning the saddle this way on these types of 
> bikes.
>
> So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I took 
> the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of many, 
> many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I tilted 
> the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle height, and 
> off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding down the 
> backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying to get used 
> to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been riding my Gus a 
> lot. Many different types of terrain and varying distances. It's a joy to 
> ride of course, and has been extremely comfortable otherwise from the 
> get-go. i love it.
>
> However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging 
> lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and 
> continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the bike 
> and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I started 
> to wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past week, I 
> started experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is on all 
> my other bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars are 
> much higher in relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a couple of 
> days riding with the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride yesterday), 
> I'm experiencing no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's too early to 
> count out coincidence, but something tells me it's not.
>
> So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates to 
> these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is 
> different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts, 
> downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it, 
> physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference for the upward 
> saddle tilt for an upright riding position? I'm certainly no expert on bike 
> fit, but is there a logical justification for it, other than just personal 
> preference? Has anyone else here had a similar experience? I'm going to 
> keep it this way for a while to see if my hunch continues to bear fruit - 
> fingers crossed.
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Re: [RBW] saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Richard Rose

I was a big doubter of Brooks saddles in general & the nose up thing in 
particular. But, after fitting a B17 I quite liked it. Except I kept sliding 
forward - and onto the narrow, uncomfortable part of the saddle. So I started 
adjusting it nose up in very small increments. I think I have it at just the 
right amount of tilt as I stay planted on the widest part of the saddle. I now 
do not slide forward or backward & have zero pressure. Of possible note I am 
very upright with the Bosco grips 2”-3” above the saddle. The whole thing goes 
against everything my 50 years of cycling taught me. Also, I had lower back 
surgery (microdiskectomy) three years ago and my back always improves with a 
bike ride.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if anyone 
> else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, I'm a 
> relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with no 
> previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has always 
> ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.
> 
> As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups for 
> all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing I've 
> noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are more 
> upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and upright 
> (Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to tilt their 
> saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. I recall 
> reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that essentially recommend 
> positioning the saddle this way on these types of bikes.
> 
> So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I took 
> the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of many, 
> many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I tilted 
> the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle height, and 
> off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding down the 
> backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying to get used 
> to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been riding my Gus a 
> lot. Many different types of terrain and varying distances. It's a joy to 
> ride of course, and has been extremely comfortable otherwise from the get-go. 
> i love it.
> 
> However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging 
> lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and 
> continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the bike 
> and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I started to 
> wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past week, I started 
> experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is on all my other 
> bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars are much higher in 
> relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a couple of days riding with 
> the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride yesterday), I'm experiencing 
> no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's too early to count out 
> coincidence, but something tells me it's not.
> 
> So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates to 
> these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is 
> different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts, 
> downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it, 
> physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference for the upward 
> saddle tilt for an upright riding position? I'm certainly no expert on bike 
> fit, but is there a logical justification for it, other than just personal 
> preference? Has anyone else here had a similar experience? I'm going to keep 
> it this way for a while to see if my hunch continues to bear fruit - fingers 
> crossed.
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Re: [RBW] For Sale: A23 Wheel set and Components from a 2020 Roadini build

2022-11-15 Thread Aleksandr Usherenko

If you are willing to sell the shifters, front and rear detailers,
please let me know.

Thank you.
Alex

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:14 PM Rob Collard  wrote:

> The following components are for sale. Send me an offer and we can work
> out final price and shipping:
>
> *Please message me for photos of the following items:*
>
> *Sold together. *
>
> Shimano Tiagra brake levers.
>
> Shaminao Dura Ace, 9 speed bar end shifters.
>
> Shimano BR R650 side caliper front and rear brakes.
>
> Nitto M151F compact drop handlebar. 46 mm width. Approximately 140 mm drop.
>
> Brooks leather handlebar tape (black).
>
> Nitto Tallux quill stem.
>
> Jagwire Cables for brakes and shifters including cable stops.
>
>
>
> *Sold separately*
>
> 173 mm crankset.  Silver.
>
> 46, 34T chain rings.
>
> kmc 9 speed chain.
>
> Front Derailer: Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed.
>
> Rear Derailleur:  Shimano Deore (model M591) long cage 9 speed.
>
> 9 speed 11-32t  Shimano Cassette. Mounted on Velocity A23 wheel with 9
> speed hub. I can remove the cassette if you'd like to buy separately.
>
> Velocity A23 Wheel Set 32/32 700c.
>
> Shimano bottom bracket. BB-UN55 sealed cartridge unit. 110 mm. 68 BC1.37 x
> 24
>
> Stainless steel bottle cages (set of two)
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[RBW] CYGO LITE TridenX - free - local pickup

2022-11-15 Thread Eric Floden

Greetings

This light has served me well for the past 10 or so years. I think it is
complete with all the mountings. I wore it on my helment.

Why is it free? Well, the battery no longer takes a charge. It died about
the same time my need for it diminished.

You can supposedly still buy the batteries from here:

https://shop.cygolite.com/product.sc?productId=62=50

for $US89.95 although it shows as Out Of Stock

You want it? Arrange off-list to pick it up from me near Kits Beach in
Vancouver

If nobody claims it by the weekend I'll find some place to donate it

Thanks

EricF
Vancouver

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[RBW] Re: saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Mackenzy Albright

I think the idea is that brooks have a bit of a "banana sway" and also a 
bit of where you actually *sit* on the saddle. The further back you sit and 
the wider, the further back on the "banana" so the higher the now. ie vs a 
aggressive geometry drop bar bike you would likely sit closer to center and 
nose down accordingly. I think to a certain extent you're just leveling the 
saddle to the area that best suits the riding position give or take so you 
aren't sliding. 

One thing i've really noticed, I think perhaps what you're getting at, is 
pelvic tilt has a lot to do with your core tension. If you are in an 
upright position and your sitting in such a way that you don't sufficiently 
engage your core, (anterior pelvic tilt) i've noticed the tendency is to 
compensate the pedal *push* by tensing or clenching your back muscles vs 
proper core engagement and leaving you with a sore back. I think upright 
bikes can be much touchier - in my experience it seems the slack saddle 
angle and longer top tube still give you a reach and adjustability to make 
sure you're in a sweet spot that your core is happy. Ive noticed this 
position is much easier to obtain on my clementine than on upright 
converted bikes with steeper geo. 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:05:37 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if 
> anyone else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, I'm 
> a relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with no 
> previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has always 
> ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.
>
> As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups 
> for all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing 
> I've noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are 
> more upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and 
> upright (Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to 
> tilt their saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. 
> I recall reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that 
> essentially recommend positioning the saddle this way on these types of 
> bikes.
>
> So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I took 
> the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of many, 
> many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I tilted 
> the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle height, and 
> off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding down the 
> backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying to get used 
> to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been riding my Gus a 
> lot. Many different types of terrain and varying distances. It's a joy to 
> ride of course, and has been extremely comfortable otherwise from the 
> get-go. i love it.
>
> However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging 
> lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and 
> continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the bike 
> and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I started 
> to wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past week, I 
> started experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is on all 
> my other bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars are 
> much higher in relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a couple of 
> days riding with the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride yesterday), 
> I'm experiencing no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's too early to 
> count out coincidence, but something tells me it's not.
>
> So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates to 
> these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is 
> different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts, 
> downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it, 
> physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference for the upward 
> saddle tilt for an upright riding position? I'm certainly no expert on bike 
> fit, but is there a logical justification for it, other than just personal 
> preference? Has anyone else here had a similar experience? I'm going to 
> keep it this way for a while to see if my hunch continues to bear fruit - 
> fingers crossed.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Mackenzy Albright

RE those comparing Romanceurs and Rivs 

I loved my (XL disc) Romanceur - but have a bad shoulder / neck. I couldn't 
run drops. It didn't handle that well with upright bars IMO. The short 
wheelbase makes it hop  and wheelie a lot climbing. I love climbing. It 
rode amazing with a shortish stem and towel racks, but was a real neck 
destroyer. Looked great though. Hauled front basket cargo like nobody's 
business. I loved it - but not for me. 

I traded it for a Clementine 59 and (also bought a) Clem Smith JR 64. OG 
clementine feels a tad like the Romanceur a bit with a bit more room in the 
front for swept backs and appropriate chain stays to keep it on the ground. 
Climbs wonderfully. Clem JR just cruises like nobody's business. One of the 
most fun and cruisey bikes ive ever ridden. The more slack head tube makes 
it a bit floppier than the Clementine with a high front load (ie basket or 
porteur bag) Im likely going to keep the Clementine and part with the JR 
only because of slight overlap and lack of space. 

Now that I took the RIV plunge, having a high maintenance body that gets 
pissed off easily, I can't imagine not owning a rivendell for my main ride 
anymore. I dont think you can make a wrong decision. I think it comes down 
to more or less tire size, aesthetics, and availability. Each has their 
slight niche variations, but overall no matter what be amazing. 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:47:06 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Triples are my fave. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It’s the Mermaid color. They only had one in stock so the decision was 
>> pretty easy. 
>>
>> Right now I’ll be going 3x9. I bought a NOS Ritchey triple recently to 
>> put on my Long Haul Trucker but it’ll be going on the Gus. I could see 
>> going 2x9 or 2x10 at some point. White Industries makes some really nice 
>> stuff. 
>>
>> It’s funny because I just bought some Paul Motolite brakes for the 
>> Trucker and now they’ll be pulled for the Gus. Back to the mismatched 
>> v-brakes. 
>>
>> I still need wheels but I found a cheap set on eBay. They’ll do for now. 
>>
>> The shipping notification just came through. Hopefully I’ll have it early 
>> next week. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Awesome!!! Which color is your Gus, Jacob? Very much looking forward to 
>> seeing it built up. What sorta gearing you have in mind?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out 
>>> of Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all 
>>> day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together 
>>> quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>>>
 Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie 
 really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on 
 the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and 
 I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd 
 gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a 
 small 
 drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. 

 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a 
> separate one.
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for 
>> something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my 
>> Albatross out a little and call it good. 
>>
>> The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy 
>> duty for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the 
>> road and tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease. 
>>
>> One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for 
>> heavier front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other 
>> than 
>> that, it’s a great bike. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a 
>>> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was 
>>> the 
>>> Romanceur..so curious about your set up. 
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates 
 them the same, as far as durability. 

 There’s been some good suggestions already. 

 I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light,

[RBW] For Sale: A23 Wheel set and Components from a 2020 Roadini build

2022-11-15 Thread Rob Collard



The following components are for sale. Send me an offer and we can work out 
final price and shipping:

*Please message me for photos of the following items:*

*Sold together. *

Shimano Tiagra brake levers.

Shaminao Dura Ace, 9 speed bar end shifters. 

Shimano BR R650 side caliper front and rear brakes.

Nitto M151F compact drop handlebar. 46 mm width. Approximately 140 mm drop.

Brooks leather handlebar tape (black).

Nitto Tallux quill stem. 

Jagwire Cables for brakes and shifters including cable stops.

 

*Sold separately*

173 mm crankset.  Silver. 

46, 34T chain rings. 

kmc 9 speed chain.

Front Derailer: Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed. 

Rear Derailleur:  Shimano Deore (model M591) long cage 9 speed.

9 speed 11-32t  Shimano Cassette. Mounted on Velocity A23 wheel with 9 
speed hub. I can remove the cassette if you'd like to buy separately.

Velocity A23 Wheel Set 32/32 700c.

Shimano bottom bracket. BB-UN55 sealed cartridge unit. 110 mm. 68 BC1.37 x 
24

Stainless steel bottle cages (set of two)

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

2022-11-15 Thread Bill Schairer

Thanks, Ryan and JJ.  Ian, I'm guessing they wanted to keep those lugs off 
that newish bridge surface.  The rest of the road was pretty much gravel, 
though I guess lugged wheels could make a mess of that as well.  I am sure 
they didn't have my bike in mind but, loving lugged frames, I thought it 
would be fun to get the pic and was looking for an opportunity to slip it 
in somewhere.

Bill S
San Diego

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 10:06:11 AM UTC-8 Ian A wrote:

> Lugs in this instance normally relate to metal tracks or wheels on 
> agricultural or construction equipment. They tear up the asphalt.
>
> IanA
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 4:16:35 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Ha ha ...missed the signwhat does that even mean, I wonder. Oh...lugs 
>> on tires ...got it.
>>
>> Great shot, Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:49:03 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>>
>>> That’s a perfect pic, Bill. Love it!
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Bill Schairer  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am firmly attached to lugs as well.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I snuck through without incident on my one and only Riv, 2013 Atlantis 
>>> on tour this past summer.
>>>
>>> Bill S
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>
  ...but my heart is firmly attached to lugs, although...


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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Triples are my fave. 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> It’s the Mermaid color. They only had one in stock so the decision was 
> pretty easy. 
>
> Right now I’ll be going 3x9. I bought a NOS Ritchey triple recently to put 
> on my Long Haul Trucker but it’ll be going on the Gus. I could see going 
> 2x9 or 2x10 at some point. White Industries makes some really nice stuff. 
>
> It’s funny because I just bought some Paul Motolite brakes for the Trucker 
> and now they’ll be pulled for the Gus. Back to the mismatched v-brakes. 
>
> I still need wheels but I found a cheap set on eBay. They’ll do for now. 
>
> The shipping notification just came through. Hopefully I’ll have it early 
> next week. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> Awesome!!! Which color is your Gus, Jacob? Very much looking forward to 
> seeing it built up. What sorta gearing you have in mind?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out 
>> of Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all 
>> day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together 
>> quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help! 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie 
>>> really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on 
>>> the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and 
>>> I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd 
>>> gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small 
>>> drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a 
 separate one.
 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for 
> something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my 
> Albatross out a little and call it good. 
>
> The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy 
> duty for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the 
> road and tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease. 
>
> One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for heavier 
> front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other than that, 
> it’s a great bike. 
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a 
>> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was 
>> the 
>> Romanceur..so curious about your set up. 
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates 
>>> them the same, as far as durability. 
>>>
>>> There’s been some good suggestions already. 
>>>
>>> I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 
>>> 853 steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride 
>>> that 
>>> you describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version). 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7 
>>> jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
 Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something 
 or 
 other always came up. 

 The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on 
 paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the 
 unpaved 
 stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride 
 but any 
 bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 
 mile 
 ride. 

 I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in 
 town rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo 
 riding usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 

 My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I 
 know the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit 
 better. 
 I'm not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke 
 in a 
 fall last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is 
 wonderful). 

 Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Jacob Byard

It’s the Mermaid color. They only had one in stock so the decision was pretty easy. Right now I’ll be going 3x9. I bought a NOS Ritchey triple recently to put on my Long Haul Trucker but it’ll be going on the Gus. I could see going 2x9 or 2x10 at some point. White Industries makes some really nice stuff. It’s funny because I just bought some Paul Motolite brakes for the Trucker and now they’ll be pulled for the Gus. Back to the mismatched v-brakes. I still need wheels but I found a cheap set on eBay. They’ll do for now. The shipping notification just came through. Hopefully I’ll have it early next week. Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 15, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Luke Hendrickson wrote:Awesome!!! Which color is your Gus, Jacob? Very much looking forward to seeing it built up. What sorta gearing you have in mind?On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out of Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help! On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a separate one.On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:I’m running Albatross currently it works well but I am looking for something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my Albatross out a little and call it good. The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy duty for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the road and tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease. One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for heavier front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other than that, it’s a great bike. On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:What bars are you running on the Romanceur? I was about to start a similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was the Romanceur..so curious about your set up. On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates them the same, as far as durability. There’s been some good suggestions already. I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 853 steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride that you describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version). On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or other always came up. The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the unpaved stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but any bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile ride. I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a fall last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the road as the Platypus? Thanks for the help! Cheers,Jacob

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[RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Joe Bernard

Score! REO Speedwagon once asked, "Should I follow my head or follow my 
heart?" The heart wins!!!

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out of 
> Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all 
> day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together 
> quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help! 
>
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>
>> Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie 
>> really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on 
>> the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and 
>> I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd 
>> gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small 
>> drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a 
>>> separate one.
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for 
 something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my 
 Albatross out a little and call it good. 

 The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy 
 duty for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the 
 road and tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease. 

 One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for heavier 
 front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other than that, 
 it’s a great bike. 

 On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a 
> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was the 
> Romanceur..so curious about your set up. 
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates 
>> them the same, as far as durability. 
>>
>> There’s been some good suggestions already. 
>>
>> I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 853 
>> steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride that 
>> you 
>> describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version). 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
>>> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something 
>>> or 
>>> other always came up. 
>>>
>>> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on 
>>> paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the 
>>> unpaved 
>>> stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but 
>>> any 
>>> bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile 
>>> ride. 
>>>
>>> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in 
>>> town rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo 
>>> riding usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 
>>>
>>> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know 
>>> the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. 
>>> I'm 
>>> not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a 
>>> fall 
>>> last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). 
>>>
>>> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the 
>>> road as the Platypus?  
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help! 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Brian Turner

Welcome to the Gus / Susie gang! Looking forward to seeing yours built up,
and hearing your thoughts on how you like it!

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 6:00 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> Sounds great! You will not be disappointed!
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:45:00 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Awesome!!! Which color is your Gus, Jacob? Very much looking forward to
>> seeing it built up. What sorta gearing you have in mind?
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out
>>> of Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all
>>> day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together
>>> quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>>>
 Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie
 really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on
 the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and
 I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd
 gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small
 drop-off I occasionally find myself going over.

 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com
 wrote:

>
> Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a
> separate one.
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for
>> something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my
>> Albatross out a little and call it good.
>>
>> The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy
>> duty for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the
>> road and tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease.
>>
>> One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for
>> heavier front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other 
>> than
>> that, it’s a great bike.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a
>>> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was 
>>> the
>>> Romanceur..so curious about your set up.
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates
 them the same, as far as durability.

 There’s been some good suggestions already.

 I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame.
 853 steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride 
 that
 you describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version).

 On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7
 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly
> a Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but 
> something or
> other always came up.
>
> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on
> paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the 
> unpaved
> stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride 
> but any
> bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 
> mile
> ride.
>
> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in
> town rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo
> riding usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry.
>
> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I
> know the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit 
> better.
> I'm not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke 
> in a
> fall last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is 
> wonderful).
>
> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the
> road as the Platypus?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>
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[RBW] saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Brian Turner

I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if anyone
else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, I'm a
relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with no
previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has always
ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.

As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups for
all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing I've
noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are more
upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and upright
(Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to tilt
their saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. I
recall reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that essentially
recommend positioning the saddle this way on these types of bikes.

So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I took
the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of many,
many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I tilted
the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle height, and
off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding down the
backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying to get used
to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been riding my Gus a
lot. Many different types of terrain and varying distances. It's a joy to
ride of course, and has been extremely comfortable otherwise from the
get-go. i love it.

However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging
lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and
continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the bike
and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I started
to wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past week, I
started experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is on all
my other bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars are
much higher in relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a couple of
days riding with the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride yesterday),
I'm experiencing no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's too early to
count out coincidence, but something tells me it's not.

So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates to
these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is
different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts,
downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it,
physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference for the upward
saddle tilt for an upright riding position? I'm certainly no expert on bike
fit, but is there a logical justification for it, other than just personal
preference? Has anyone else here had a similar experience? I'm going to
keep it this way for a while to see if my hunch continues to bear fruit -
fingers crossed.

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2022-11-15 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Excellent...thanks for the report, Abe!

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:57:58 PM MST, Abe Gardner
wrote:

Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel and chunky
pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise on pavement but only
compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire smoothness. I’d love to try Hatcher
Pass (700x48mm smooth) next but thes G-One Allrounds are super (and cheaper by
a small bit vs. Rene Herse tires).
I’m running them with tubes that have some Stan’s sealant inside - never a flat
but currently a slow leak that probably resolved with the sealant since my
lunch time ride.
Abe

On Nov 15, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch
wrote:

What tires are those, Abe?

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 01:17:34 PM MST, Pancake
wrote:

I put albatross bars on my Charlie, mounted them upside down and raise the stem
way high. This gives me a better grip towards the front of the curves of the
bar, but I also put some bar ends at the most forward point, so they give a on
the hoods type of position as well. very nice for pulling on and leading down
into the wind. Open to suggestions on where to mount the shifters, they feel
pretty good mounted towards the center. I’m really enjoying the bar is mounted
upside down, it’s just a more comfortable way to hold in the curves. I am on a
Nitto Technomic, 10 cm extension stem, this leaves the hand grips about level
with the saddle at the maximum insertion point.
V- brakes! Switching to the albatross bars, with cheap, avid levers, and nice
DRX brake arms improoves the braking dramatically. It’s really night and day
compared to calipers or the short arm v-brakes I was using before. The stopping
power both better modulated and much stronger. But the weird, unnecessarily,
strong mechanical advantage of a short arm (85mm) V- brakes is gone. Long arm
v-brakes are the only way to go.
I’m sure I’ll shift the cockpit around but so far super happy with the change
(from Soma Portola drop bars and TRP RRL brake levers with lite pro short arm
v brakes).

Abe

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[RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Ryan Frahm

Sounds great! You will not be disappointed!

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:45:00 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Awesome!!! Which color is your Gus, Jacob? Very much looking forward to 
> seeing it built up. What sorta gearing you have in mind?
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out 
>> of Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all 
>> day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together 
>> quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help! 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>>
>>> Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie 
>>> really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on 
>>> the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and 
>>> I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd 
>>> gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small 
>>> drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a 
 separate one.
 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for 
> something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my 
> Albatross out a little and call it good. 
>
> The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy 
> duty for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the 
> road and tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease. 
>
> One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for heavier 
> front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other than that, 
> it’s a great bike. 
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a 
>> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was 
>> the 
>> Romanceur..so curious about your set up. 
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates 
>>> them the same, as far as durability. 
>>>
>>> There’s been some good suggestions already. 
>>>
>>> I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 
>>> 853 steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride 
>>> that 
>>> you describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version). 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7 
>>> jacob...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
 Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something 
 or 
 other always came up. 

 The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on 
 paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the 
 unpaved 
 stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride 
 but any 
 bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 
 mile 
 ride. 

 I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in 
 town rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo 
 riding usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 

 My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I 
 know the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit 
 better. 
 I'm not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke 
 in a 
 fall last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is 
 wonderful). 

 Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the 
 road as the Platypus?  

 Thanks for the help! 

 Cheers,

 Jacob

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

What size, Jacob? XL? Do they have another one?!?!

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:41:18 PM MST, Jacob Byard
wrote:

Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out of
Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all day. My
parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together quickly on
the build. Thanks again for the help!

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:

Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie really
is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on the roads
too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and I'm impressed
with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd gotten the Gus, just
because I've packed on some weight and there's a small drop-off I occasionally
find myself going over.

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a separate
one.On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

I’m running Albatross currently it works well but I am looking for something
with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my Albatross out a
little and call it good.
The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy duty for
me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the road and tackles
dirt roads and singletrack with ease.
One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for heavier front
loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other than that, it’s a
great bike.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:

What bars are you running on the Romanceur? I was about to start a similar
thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was the Romanceur..so
curious about your set up. On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5
Hoch in ut wrote:

I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates them the
same, as far as durability.
There’s been some good suggestions already.
I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 853 steel.
650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride that you describe.
Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version).
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a Platypus.
The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or other always
came up.

The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on paved
country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the unpaved stuff is
rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but any bike with
45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile ride.

I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town rides to
get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding usually sits
around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry.

My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know the Gus
has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm not a fan of
super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a fall last year so I
like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful).

Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the road as the
Platypus?

Thanks for the help!

Cheers,
Jacob

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2022-11-15 Thread Abe Gardner

Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel and chunky pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise on pavement but only compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire smoothness. I’d love to try Hatcher Pass (700x48mm smooth) next but thes G-One Allrounds are super (and cheaper by a small bit vs. Rene Herse tires).I’m running them with tubes that have some Stan’s sealant inside - never a flat but currently a slow leak that probably resolved with the sealant since my lunch time ride. AbeOn Nov 15, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
What tires are those, Abe?

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 01:17:34 PM MST, Pancake wrote:

I put albatross bars on my Charlie, mounted them upside down and raise the stem way high. This gives me a better grip towards the front of the curves of the bar, but I also put some bar ends at the most forward point, so they give a on the hoods type of position as well. very nice for pulling on and leading down into the wind. Open to suggestions on where to mount the shifters, they feel pretty good mounted towards the center. I’m really enjoying the bar is mounted upside down, it’s just a more comfortable way to hold in the curves. I am on a Nitto Technomic, 10 cm extension stem, this leaves the hand grips about level with the saddle at the maximum insertion point.V- brakes! Switching to the albatross bars, with cheap, avid levers, and nice DRX brake arms improoves the braking dramatically. It’s really night and day compared to calipers or the short arm v-brakes I was using before. The stopping power both better modulated and much stronger. But the weird, unnecessarily, strong mechanical advantage of a short arm (85mm) V- brakes is gone. Long arm v-brakes are the only way to go. I’m sure I’ll shift the cockpit around but so far super happy with the change (from Soma Portola drop bars and TRP RRL brake levers with lite pro short arm v brakes).Abe

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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

2022-11-15 Thread aeroperf

My wife’s Platypus frame arrived this morning. Woo hoo!
It was packed in fitted cardboard, with paper stock protecting the finish, 
and arrived in perfect “not prepped” condition.  Kudos!  Headset and 
seatpost were included in a box (with a Riv bandana!).

I have not a clue about proper brakes or brake levers.  Something silver, 
for Albatross bars.  Any suggestions?

She wants a front basket, and I have not a clue what would be appropriate 
(I ride a Sam with a rear rack).  And what front light works best, with 
said basket?

TL;DR
I had already collected the bars, Nitto NTC110DX stem, DeoreXT FD-781 front 
derailleur, DeoreXT RD-M772 rear derailleur, Sugino XD2 triple front drive, 
and bar end shifters.  I’m in the process of building up Velocity Dyad 
wheels with a SON front generator hub and a DeoreLX rear hub.

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[RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Awesome!!! Which color is your Gus, Jacob? Very much looking forward to 
seeing it built up. What sorta gearing you have in mind?

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out of 
> Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all 
> day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together 
> quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help! 
>
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>
>> Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie 
>> really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on 
>> the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and 
>> I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd 
>> gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small 
>> drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a 
>>> separate one.
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for 
 something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my 
 Albatross out a little and call it good. 

 The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy 
 duty for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the 
 road and tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease. 

 One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for heavier 
 front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other than that, 
 it’s a great bike. 

 On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a 
> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was the 
> Romanceur..so curious about your set up. 
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates 
>> them the same, as far as durability. 
>>
>> There’s been some good suggestions already. 
>>
>> I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 853 
>> steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride that 
>> you 
>> describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version). 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7 jacob...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
>>> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something 
>>> or 
>>> other always came up. 
>>>
>>> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on 
>>> paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the 
>>> unpaved 
>>> stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but 
>>> any 
>>> bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile 
>>> ride. 
>>>
>>> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in 
>>> town rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo 
>>> riding usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 
>>>
>>> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know 
>>> the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. 
>>> I'm 
>>> not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a 
>>> fall 
>>> last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). 
>>>
>>> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the 
>>> road as the Platypus?  
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help! 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacob
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Jacob Byard

Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C Cycles out of 
Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all 
day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together 
quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help! 


On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:

> Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie 
> really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on 
> the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and 
> I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd 
> gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small 
> drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. 
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a 
>> separate one.
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>
>>> I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for 
>>> something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my 
>>> Albatross out a little and call it good. 
>>>
>>> The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy duty 
>>> for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the road and 
>>> tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease. 
>>>
>>> One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for heavier 
>>> front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other than that, 
>>> it’s a great bike. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a 
 similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was the 
 Romanceur..so curious about your set up. 
 On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:

> I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates them 
> the same, as far as durability. 
>
> There’s been some good suggestions already. 
>
> I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 853 
> steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride that 
> you 
> describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version). 
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7 jacob...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
>> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something 
>> or 
>> other always came up. 
>>
>> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on 
>> paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the 
>> unpaved 
>> stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but 
>> any 
>> bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile 
>> ride. 
>>
>> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town 
>> rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding 
>> usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 
>>
>> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know 
>> the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. 
>> I'm 
>> not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a 
>> fall 
>> last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). 
>>
>> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the 
>> road as the Platypus?  
>>
>> Thanks for the help! 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a light on a basket

2022-11-15 Thread Eric White

I was just about to sandwich some 3" angle brackets to the bottom of a
front basket and use them as a light mount under the basket. I still might,
but that little mount is a pretty slick solution.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 3:08 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> That thing is adorable.  Here's the product page where one could buy one:
>
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/320707-tanaka-dynamo-light-mount-for-basket-ii-6544?page=3=950#attr=
>
> APPROVE!!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:55:25 PM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> I wasn't sure how I was going to mount the light on my cargo bike. Under
>> the basket was too low, and above the basket might get blocked by tall
>> cargo. Then I ran across this sandwich light mount for baskets on SOMA.
>> Works perfectly - very pleased.
>>
>> [image: Lights.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
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[RBW] Re: $35 Carradice bags sale

2022-11-15 Thread Ed Felker

All bags are sold or have tentative buyers . Thanks for all the interest!  

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:28:49 PM UTC-5 Ed Felker wrote:

> I have a set of gently-used Carradice bags for sale. Shipping to USA 
> addresses only, at actual cost or $15, whichever is lower. Free 
> pickup/handoff in the Washington, DC area. Multiple item orders get 
> priority. 
>
> All are fully usable with no tears and all straps intact. Photos are here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nlvrERz-Ls0OdZit9qGL85X3a-sCcUEA
>
> 1. Bike Bureau pannier briefcase, drive side (rider's right) mounting. 
> Nylon straps. Stylish! $35
> 2. Nelson longflap black with Coffeeneur patch. The patch can come off 
> with some heat, but why? $35
> 3. Nelson longflap faded black/grey. Ready for renewal with Carradice wax. 
> Reduced price: $25 
> 4. Pendle tan. Nice little-ish bag. $35
> 5. Super C Rackbag black. Sturdy and lots of volume. $35.
>
> thanks for looking!
>
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

2022-11-15 Thread Mark C

I think I said it backwards, and Joe got it right about stem extension. The 
Albatross needs less extension than bars like the Bosco, but  more than the 
Noodle. 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had one with an Albatross, it worked ok but felt a smidge short in the 
> cockpit for me. These frames were designed and sized as traditional road 
> bikes with drop bars, so you'll want to do some math and decide if a long 
> stem - 12 or 13cm - will give you enough room without feeling cramped. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:52:55 AM UTC-8 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

2022-11-15 Thread Mark C

I think I said it backwards, and Joe got it right about stem extension. The 
Albatross needs less extension than bars like the Bosco, but maybe more 
than the Noodle. 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had one with an Albatross, it worked ok but felt a smidge short in the 
> cockpit for me. These frames were designed and sized as traditional road 
> bikes with drop bars, so you'll want to do some math and decide if a long 
> stem - 12 or 13cm - will give you enough room without feeling cramped. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:52:55 AM UTC-8 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mounting a light on a basket

2022-11-15 Thread Bill Lindsay

That thing is adorable.  Here's the product page where one could buy one:

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/320707-tanaka-dynamo-light-mount-for-basket-ii-6544?page=3=950#attr=

APPROVE!!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:55:25 PM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I wasn't sure how I was going to mount the light on my cargo bike. Under 
> the basket was too low, and above the basket might get blocked by tall 
> cargo. Then I ran across this sandwich light mount for baskets on SOMA. 
> Works perfectly - very pleased.
>
> [image: Lights.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>

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[RBW] FS: "Estate Sale" of components and gear, part I

2022-11-15 Thread esoterica etc

Greetings all,

I’m putting just about my entire collection of bikes and parts up for sale,
an "estate sale" if you will, because my family and I are planning on
moving to Hawaii next spring. I was born there and have a lot of family
there, but relocated to the mainland when I was 7, and have always had a
deep yearning to go back. My wife has been helping me chase that dream for
many years now, and it looks like we’ll finally be able to make it a
reality in 2023.

The prices listed do not include shipping, but I’ll be using Pirateship.com
and Bikeflights to ship, and I’ve got boxes of all
shapes and sizes and a postage scale, so I can find the best rates to ship
your stuff. *PayPal, money order, or cash accepted for payment*. If you’d
like more pics or info, please reach out; I’m usually pretty quick about
getting back to you. Local pickup in Raleigh, NC for those of you nearby.
I’ll be listing the second half of my purge in the next couple days
(pedals, tires, handlebars, clothes, etc.), so keep an eye out. Thanks for
looking and have a great week!

~Mark

Link to pics are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-KZRFfctZScgJb2YrECDBK4v5cEeORUB?usp=share_link

*Bags*

Rivendell TrunkSack Small dark grey grid - $70

Rivendell Sackville SaddleSack Small olive (one zipper doesn’t quite work,
but the other one works fine) - $45

Rivendell TrunkSack Small olive - $60

Acorn Bags Medium Rando bag dark grey - $130

Ortlieb Back Roller classic pair orange - $70

Ortlieb Front Roller pair white, brand new - $100

Timbuk2 convertible backpack bag red - $65

Jandd Touring Handlebar Pack II - $30

Banjo Brothers pannier black - $15

Trek Interchange pannier black - $15

Sunlite pannier black - $10

*Racks*

Tubus Tara lowrider rack - $75

Unknown vintage stem rack/standoff for handlebar bag - $20

Pletscher sprung clamp rack silver - $15

Rhode Gear expedition style rear rack black - $20

Blackburn Mtn. Front Rack black - $30

*Shifters*

Rivendell Silver 1 bar end shifters with Shimano pods - $75

Microshift bar end 10 speed shifter (index or friction), brand new - $50

Suntour Accushift right thumb shifter, 7/8 speed index or friction - $15

Shimano 600 downtube clamp-on shifters - $30

Shimano 600 downtube braze-on shifters - $30

Suntour 3000 Alpha Accushift downtube braze-on shifters - $15

Shimano Deore 7 speed indexed thumb shifters - $15

Shimano SIS thumb shifters - $5

*Brakes/Brake Levers*

Shimano 600 side pull brakes (2 sets) - $30 per set

Shimano BR-M730 cantilever brake with XT brake pads (one wheel’s worth) -
$35

Suntour Cyclone side pull brakes - $15

Shimano Tiagra levers (the kind that Riv sells) - $35

Dia Compe AGC Gran Compe levers - $20

Unmarked long-pull (V-brake) levers - $5

Tektro RX 2.0 cross “interrupter” levers - $15

Suntour XC LTD levers - $20

Shimano 600 non-aero levers with excellent Dia Compe gum hoods (not
pictured) - $30

*Cassettes & Freewheels*

Shimano HG 13-36 8spd. - $30

SRAM 12-26 10spd. - $25

Shimano 11-28 7spd. - $20

SRAM 12-26 8spd. - $25

Shimano CS-HG70 12-25 9 spd. (missing one spacer) - $20

Suntour Perfect 14-32 6spd. - $25

Suntour AP 13-30 7spd. - $20

Shimano Z012 14-34 6spd. - $15

Shimano Z012 13-30 5spd. - $15

Shimano XD 14-28 6spd. - $15

Shimano Z012 14-26 5spd. - $15

*Derailleurs (front & rear)*

Rear derailleurs-

Suntour XC-Expert Accushift Plus - $20

Shimano 600 short cage (two available) - $30 each

Shimano Deore FD-M510 long cage - $25

Shimano Deore DX RD-M650 long cage - $30

Front derailleurs-

Shimano XT FD-M739 bottom pull 31.8 clamp - $25

Shimano Deore FD-M510 9 speed bottom pull 34.9 clamp - $20

Shimano 105 FD-5600 bottom pull 318 clamp - $25

Shimano 600 bottom pull 28.6 clamp - $20

Tensioners-

DMR Bikes single speeder - $10

*Saddles*

Avocet Touring black - $25

Specialized saddle black - $15

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

2022-11-15 Thread Joe Bernard

I had one with an Albatross, it worked ok but felt a smidge short in the 
cockpit for me. These frames were designed and sized as traditional road 
bikes with drop bars, so you'll want to do some math and decide if a long 
stem - 12 or 13cm - will give you enough room without feeling cramped. 

Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:52:55 AM UTC-8 dfa...@charter.net wrote:

> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Marks Rack M18

2022-11-15 Thread Bill Lindsay

The Marks Rack and the M18 front rack are two different models.  The M18 
only has a single set of struts, and is usually expected to be cheaper than 
the Mark's Rack.  The Mark's Rack is also often listed as the "M1" 

They are both great racks and fit on the same bikes, but if you want to 
double strut it, the Marks Rack is the way to go.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 9:09:50 AM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Looking for a Marks Rack. Please reply off list if you have one. Thank 
> you. 

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

2022-11-15 Thread Mark C

Albatross is great for what you are talking about; that was pretty much 
what it was designed for. I bought the original CroMo version when if first 
came out and liked it but did go back to the Noodle bar for general use 
then. Now I like more upright and the Albatross was designed to get you 
there. You'll want a shorter stem, and I would want a taller one too. I'd 
want something like a Dirtdrop, but there are other choices now too.

Here's a quote from Rivendell about upright bars: "*Rule out an Albatross 
before considering any other bar."*
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/bars-and-tape
The longer top tube bikes now open a lot of possibilities, but the 
Albatross is hard to beat for what you are wanting on a Rambouillet. You 
will need brakes and shifters (unless you have barends), but I personally 
like that combination better that road levers on an upright bar. I always 
ran downtube shifters on my Rambouillet which made the bar swap easier, but 
I do really like the inside out thumbshifter setups they use a lot now. 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Not a Ram owner...but to get a bit more upright , have you considered 
> something like Albastache/moustache bars to split the difference  and keep 
> existing shifters and brakes?
>
> My PX-10 is a road bike but switching to moustache (which I've always 
> liked anyway) worked for me (as someone turning 70 this December)
>
> That being said, I don't see why going to Albatross on a Ram couldn't work
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:52:55 AM UTC-6 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] $35 Carradice bags sale

2022-11-15 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

PM send on the Super C.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Nov 15, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Ed Felker  wrote:
> 
> I have a set of gently-used Carradice bags for sale. Shipping to USA 
> addresses only, at actual cost or $15, whichever is lower. Free 
> pickup/handoff in the Washington, DC area. Multiple item orders get priority. 
> 
> All are fully usable with no tears and all straps intact. Photos are here: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nlvrERz-Ls0OdZit9qGL85X3a-sCcUEA
> 
> 1. Bike Bureau pannier briefcase, drive side (rider's right) mounting. Nylon 
> straps. Stylish! $35
> 2. Nelson longflap black with Coffeeneur patch. The patch can come off with 
> some heat, but why? $35
> 3. Nelson longflap faded black/grey. Ready for renewal with Carradice wax. 
> Reduced price: $25 
> 4. Pendle tan. Nice little-ish bag. $35
> 5. Super C Rackbag black. Sturdy and lots of volume. $35.
> 
> thanks for looking!
> 
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] $35 Carradice bags sale

2022-11-15 Thread Aleksandr Usherenko

$25 Nelson

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 12:28 PM Ed Felker  wrote:

> I have a set of gently-used Carradice bags for sale. Shipping to USA
> addresses only, at actual cost or $15, whichever is lower. Free
> pickup/handoff in the Washington, DC area. Multiple item orders get
> priority.
>
> All are fully usable with no tears and all straps intact. Photos are here:
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nlvrERz-Ls0OdZit9qGL85X3a-sCcUEA
>
> 1. Bike Bureau pannier briefcase, drive side (rider's right) mounting.
> Nylon straps. Stylish! $35
> 2. Nelson longflap black with Coffeeneur patch. The patch can come off
> with some heat, but why? $35
> 3. Nelson longflap faded black/grey. Ready for renewal with Carradice wax.
> Reduced price: $25
> 4. Pendle tan. Nice little-ish bag. $35
> 5. Super C Rackbag black. Sturdy and lots of volume. $35.
>
> thanks for looking!
>
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC
>
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Re: [RBW] $35 Carradice bags sale

2022-11-15 Thread Aleksandr Usherenko

Hello, would love to grab the Pendle and the nelson long flap.

Thanks, alex

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 12:28 PM Ed Felker  wrote:

> I have a set of gently-used Carradice bags for sale. Shipping to USA
> addresses only, at actual cost or $15, whichever is lower. Free
> pickup/handoff in the Washington, DC area. Multiple item orders get
> priority.
>
> All are fully usable with no tears and all straps intact. Photos are here:
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nlvrERz-Ls0OdZit9qGL85X3a-sCcUEA
>
> 1. Bike Bureau pannier briefcase, drive side (rider's right) mounting.
> Nylon straps. Stylish! $35
> 2. Nelson longflap black with Coffeeneur patch. The patch can come off
> with some heat, but why? $35
> 3. Nelson longflap faded black/grey. Ready for renewal with Carradice wax.
> Reduced price: $25
> 4. Pendle tan. Nice little-ish bag. $35
> 5. Super C Rackbag black. Sturdy and lots of volume. $35.
>
> thanks for looking!
>
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC
>
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[RBW] $35 Carradice bags sale

2022-11-15 Thread Ed Felker

I have a set of gently-used Carradice bags for sale. Shipping to USA
addresses only, at actual cost or $15, whichever is lower. Free
pickup/handoff in the Washington, DC area. Multiple item orders get
priority.

All are fully usable with no tears and all straps intact. Photos are here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1nlvrERz-Ls0OdZit9qGL85X3a-sCcUEA

1. Bike Bureau pannier briefcase, drive side (rider's right) mounting.
Nylon straps. Stylish! $35
2. Nelson longflap black with Coffeeneur patch. The patch can come off with
some heat, but why? $35
3. Nelson longflap faded black/grey. Ready for renewal with Carradice wax.
Reduced price: $25
4. Pendle tan. Nice little-ish bag. $35
5. Super C Rackbag black. Sturdy and lots of volume. $35.

thanks for looking!

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

2022-11-15 Thread Ryan

Not a Ram owner...but to get a bit more upright , have you considered 
something like Albastache/moustache bars to split the difference  and keep 
existing shifters and brakes?

My PX-10 is a road bike but switching to moustache (which I've always liked 
anyway) worked for me (as someone turning 70 this December)

That being said, I don't see why going to Albatross on a Ram couldn't work

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:52:55 AM UTC-6 dfa...@charter.net wrote:

> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Marks Rack M18

2022-11-15 Thread Hoch in ut

Looking for a Marks Rack. Please reply off list if you have one. Thank you. 

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[RBW] Bambo conversion

2022-11-15 Thread Dave Faller

I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
Anybody with a Ram done this?

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[RBW] FS: Sunrace Thumb Shifter

2022-11-15 Thread lconley

Single Sunrace thumb shifter - left side outer or right side inner. Mounted 
but never used. includes cable stop as shown. $35 shipped CONUS.

[image: SunRaces.jpg]

Laing

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

2022-11-15 Thread Brian Turner

It was my birthday yesterday, so my wife and I took the day off and did 
some riding along the Little Miami Trail in SW Ohio. The Fall colors are 
definitely getting harder to find here.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NzxSHeQuZgNPAToU9

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> [image: IMG_9629.jpeg]
> A little frosty in the Flathead River Valley, BC.
>
> And some beautiful foliage on the Grey Creek Pass.
> [image: IMG_9844.jpeg]
>
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[RBW] WTB 26.8mm Thomson Elite Seatpost

2022-11-15 Thread Piaw Na

No setback preferred.

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO Paul Thumbie adapter for Silver shifters

2022-11-15 Thread Wally Estrella

Yeah, I get that on the regular off the shelf hardware.  It was for the 
adapter.

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 7:40:56 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Only the adapter plate is special, the rest is just hardware.  This cries 
> out for someone with a 3D scanner and 3D printer. But this is Paul's 
> design, so it would not be right to sell them without his permission.
>
> Might not even need a metal 3D printer, plastic would probably do.
>
> Lost wax casting would also probably do fine.
>
> The underside.
>
> [image: parts.jpg]
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 7:23:50 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got bike buddy who owns a machine shop that specializes in 
>> hardware.  I"ve sent him the image for a SWAG on cost and minimum quantity. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:10:02 AM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've had good luck with the Velo Orange thumbie adapters. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:45:24 PM UTC-5 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 With as many Thumbies as there are out there, I sure wish these were 
 available. I know there are other options that are made specifically for 
 the Silver/Dia-Compe friction models we all know and love but it'd be nice 
 to use something I already have. I can't help but wonder if they ceased 
 production due to low demand or if it was a request from the manufacturers 
 who are trying to sell their own thumb shifter mounts.

 With that said, if Paul won't make them anymore, even for a special 
 order, I wonder if anyone else out there could put something together that 
 works. I've got a couple sets of Thumbies on the shelf that I could 
 certainly use if I could get them to work with my Silver shifters. Looking 
 at Laing's picture, certainly there's a bodge out there that ought to work 
 just as well as the adapters.

 -J.C.

 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:49:18 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> These are what you are looking for. They are for installation of 
> Silver 1s on Paul Thumbies, not shimano bar end pods.
>
> [image: Adapterss.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 3:24:17 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> O. Interesting. I was unaware of this. I recently ordered a Paul 
>> shimano thumb mount assuming I could put a silver on it only to find out 
>> i 
>> cannot. If Carlos finds their fill and someone's got another I would be 
>> interested.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 1:22:43 PM UTC-6 C Lin wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently Paul made these for a while to mount silvers on thumbies 
>>> for shimano bar cons.
>>>
>>> -Carlos in San Diego 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO Paul Thumbie adapter for Silver shifters

2022-11-15 Thread lconley

Only the adapter plate is special, the rest is just hardware.  This cries 
out for someone with a 3D scanner and 3D printer. But this is Paul's 
design, so it would not be right to sell them without his permission.

Might not even need a metal 3D printer, plastic would probably do.

Lost wax casting would also probably do fine.

The underside.

[image: parts.jpg]

Laing

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 7:23:50 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got bike buddy who owns a machine shop that specializes in hardware.  
> I"ve sent him the image for a SWAG on cost and minimum quantity. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:10:02 AM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've had good luck with the Velo Orange thumbie adapters. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:45:24 PM UTC-5 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> With as many Thumbies as there are out there, I sure wish these were 
>>> available. I know there are other options that are made specifically for 
>>> the Silver/Dia-Compe friction models we all know and love but it'd be nice 
>>> to use something I already have. I can't help but wonder if they ceased 
>>> production due to low demand or if it was a request from the manufacturers 
>>> who are trying to sell their own thumb shifter mounts.
>>>
>>> With that said, if Paul won't make them anymore, even for a special 
>>> order, I wonder if anyone else out there could put something together that 
>>> works. I've got a couple sets of Thumbies on the shelf that I could 
>>> certainly use if I could get them to work with my Silver shifters. Looking 
>>> at Laing's picture, certainly there's a bodge out there that ought to work 
>>> just as well as the adapters.
>>>
>>> -J.C.
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:49:18 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>>
 These are what you are looking for. They are for installation of Silver 
 1s on Paul Thumbies, not shimano bar end pods.

 [image: Adapterss.jpg]

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 3:24:17 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> O. Interesting. I was unaware of this. I recently ordered a Paul 
> shimano thumb mount assuming I could put a silver on it only to find out 
> i 
> cannot. If Carlos finds their fill and someone's got another I would be 
> interested.
>
> Brian
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 1:22:43 PM UTC-6 C Lin wrote:
>
>> Apparently Paul made these for a while to mount silvers on thumbies 
>> for shimano bar cons.
>>
>> -Carlos in San Diego 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO Paul Thumbie adapter for Silver shifters

2022-11-15 Thread Wally Estrella

I've got bike buddy who owns a machine shop that specializes in hardware.  
I"ve sent him the image for a SWAG on cost and minimum quantity. 


On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:10:02 AM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've had good luck with the Velo Orange thumbie adapters. 
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:45:24 PM UTC-5 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> With as many Thumbies as there are out there, I sure wish these were 
>> available. I know there are other options that are made specifically for 
>> the Silver/Dia-Compe friction models we all know and love but it'd be nice 
>> to use something I already have. I can't help but wonder if they ceased 
>> production due to low demand or if it was a request from the manufacturers 
>> who are trying to sell their own thumb shifter mounts.
>>
>> With that said, if Paul won't make them anymore, even for a special 
>> order, I wonder if anyone else out there could put something together that 
>> works. I've got a couple sets of Thumbies on the shelf that I could 
>> certainly use if I could get them to work with my Silver shifters. Looking 
>> at Laing's picture, certainly there's a bodge out there that ought to work 
>> just as well as the adapters.
>>
>> -J.C.
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 2:49:18 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> These are what you are looking for. They are for installation of Silver 
>>> 1s on Paul Thumbies, not shimano bar end pods.
>>>
>>> [image: Adapterss.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 3:24:17 PM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 O. Interesting. I was unaware of this. I recently ordered a Paul 
 shimano thumb mount assuming I could put a silver on it only to find out i 
 cannot. If Carlos finds their fill and someone's got another I would be 
 interested.

 Brian

 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 1:22:43 PM UTC-6 C Lin wrote:

> Apparently Paul made these for a while to mount silvers on thumbies 
> for shimano bar cons.
>
> -Carlos in San Diego 
>


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