[RBW] Re: Child seat
How old is he? My four year old rides this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/daytondogg/8518339787/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Pletscher Two Leg Stand
Yep I got one newesh and I'm ready to part with it. Contact me off list. ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap
Yeah always good to have one. I've been carrying a Kryptonite cable lock but just got the Abus cable one Riv recommends. +1 what Doug said always good to carry one, what's a little extra weight to help you sleep better while camping. I also never leave my Hilsen for long even when locked as these locks will only slow down a determined bicycle thief. ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?
Wow! I dig the idea of Purple; while on the SoCal VS. NorCal Rumble we talked about paint colors and Evan and I agreed purple is a great color or a deep cherry that looks almost black but when the sun hits it you see the color. Here are my black submissions: This one is the bomb! http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8566366471/in/faves-pedalpusher61/ One of my all time favorites http://www.flickr.com/photos/ediblestarfish/5840658640/in/faves-pedalpusher61/ and here is the lug detail notice the metal specks that glimmer. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ediblestarfish/5875507604/in/faves-pedalpusher61/ I really like black and think it looks classy and old timey at the same time. I know there will be one in my future maybe when the Appaloosa's are main stream I'll paint one black...on the other hand go for Army green ;-) Hugh Riv Warrior Smitham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?
That's one bitching looking Trucker. ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?
He sent my samples back unharmed, so yeah I think your shirt will be fine! Just send him an envelope with your return address on it. Also, you'll probably talk to him on the phone in the meantime, so just let him know your shirt is important to you. Matt On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:09:01 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:52:27 PM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote: Joe Bell can definitely match a color if you send him a sample. I did this when my custom frame was ready to be painted. He told me he'd do his best to match the color, but then asked me to be rigidly flexible in my expectations, then proceeded to do an unbelievably awesome job.The color was spot on and looks way better than I could've imagined. I can handle being rigidly flexible–but can I trust Joe with my vintage wool BSA shirt? That is the question! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Child seat
He will be 3 in Oct. He might be ready for a tag along next year. How hard is it to move one of those between bikes? He lives 40 miles away and his parents have limited stooge space. I wonder if my daughter and I could share one? My son, in El Cerrito, has a one year old daughter and he believes she is ready for a rear seat. It seems too early to me, but I hesitate to interfere. I looked at the Copilot at a LBS yesterday. It looked pretty good for $100. BTW, my grandson, Simon, and I went for a us ride yesterday down to the lake and spent the morning looking at boats ( bodes), yachts, and ducks. A great time. Michael On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:49:14 AM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote: How old is he? My four year old rides this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/daytondogg/8518339787/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?
Just wanted to add that another option is to use a Pantone color, Joe Bell will let you do that too.So if you can find one that matches your shirt could go that route. Matt On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:09:01 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:52:27 PM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote: Joe Bell can definitely match a color if you send him a sample. I did this when my custom frame was ready to be painted. He told me he'd do his best to match the color, but then asked me to be rigidly flexible in my expectations, then proceeded to do an unbelievably awesome job.The color was spot on and looks way better than I could've imagined. I can handle being rigidly flexible–but can I trust Joe with my vintage wool BSA shirt? That is the question! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Child seat
Most tag a longs mount to the seat post, so they aren't too hard to take on and off (the Burly Picolo has a dedicated rear rack). When I used a seat post style, I just had a dedicated seatpost/saddle combo hooked all the time to the trail a bike, so I just swapped posts to get going. I put my first born in a trailer at about 11 months, but even then he couldn't really support the helmet weight--just kind of slumped over. I think a year is pretty early for a bike mounted seat. Eric On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: He will be 3 in Oct. He might be ready for a tag along next year. How hard is it to move one of those between bikes? He lives 40 miles away and his parents have limited stooge space. I wonder if my daughter and I could share one? My son, in El Cerrito, has a one year old daughter and he believes she is ready for a rear seat. It seems too early to me, but I hesitate to interfere. I looked at the Copilot at a LBS yesterday. It looked pretty good for $100. BTW, my grandson, Simon, and I went for a us ride yesterday down to the lake and spent the morning looking at boats ( bodes), yachts, and ducks. A great time. Michael On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:49:14 AM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote: How old is he? My four year old rides this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ **daytondogg/8518339787/http://www.flickr.com/photos/daytondogg/8518339787/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
I've never met a mean guy in a bike shop. Mostly passionate people, some jaded people who've heard it all before. This works for me and it should work for you, too, is a natural attitude. I think the comfort aspect that is so important to us, um, older guys really is lost in bike shops and certainly the bulk of the crank-them-out bike industry, where new, better, and techy sells. Paraphrased from the first post - seat high, bars down, that's where your power is. That's where his power is. My power is comfortably staying on the bike for a long ride. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:36:24 AM UTC-5, IanA wrote: Excellent points made. I hope that I positively influenced the purchase of the bike. Only time will (may?) tell. After the positive and thoughtful comments from all listers on this thread, I might have been a lot more circumspect in helping my friend. Perhaps I would have just presented opinions of frame size, fit, tire clearance etc., based solely on my own experience of riding the actual bikes I own/have owned (I think I mostly did). I believe that following a certain amount of randonneur experience (more on the modest distance spectrum), extensive touring experience and extensive commuting that I have a pretty good handle on what works for me. As David rightly implies, what works for one is a subjective finding and might not work for someone else. In retrospect, perhaps it would have been better if my friend had bought a 60cm frame with an uncut steerer, or perhaps not. Perhaps either bike frame would serve equally as well. I do hope my friend enjoys the ownership of his new bike, I feel somewhat invested in it. In future, I will bear in mind all the points put forward in this thread and wade the waters of advice/opinion with great trepidation. Ian A. On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:46:30 PM UTC-6, David Craig wrote: It's tough to fit a bike. Really, it's much tougher than I think it seems to many of us. It's way tougher than selling shoes and even that isn't straightforward. Can we give well-intentioned shop owners, manufacturers and bike shop kids the benefit of the doubt? That doesn't mean we should blindly accept their views as truth. Caveat emptor. Regarding the challenges of bike fitting: First, there are the assumptions and values that go along with any fit system - including Grant's. There's the problem that there somehow needs to be any system and that we somehow feel better if we've been sized by a system rather than trusting ourselves. As Ron points out, science sells. Why do we need science to tell us a bike fits? Just ride, right? In a perfect world, we'd each have bodies that were perfectly proportioned, with no underlying injuries or anatomical quirks and any bike we'd buy would instantly adapt to us as we age, get fitter, decided to ride more or less, gain experience, or use the bike for different purposes. So, even a bike that's perfectly fitted and comfortable at the moment of purchase may not continue to be so after the glow of the purchase has faded or conditions change. It's funny that we'd expect anyone to fit a bike properly when proper fit is all about our own subjective feelings of comfort. The problem is exacerbated when the prospective rider hasn't really ridden since he or she was a kid. While I'll bet most of us on this list can no longer recall a time when virtually ANY bike would have felt uncomfortable, the beginner is completely dependent on someone else saying this should work so they discount their own misgivings. Or . . . contrary folks with their own minds that they are, they resist our well intentioned advice because what we're suggesting just doesn't *feel* right. Ever tried to convince a child that her or his seat height is wrong? There's also the complication of dealing with what people believe they want and need. Folks look at a bike with fat tires, a stack o spacers, bars way up there, triple chainrings or even a perfectly good bike without lugs and think that bike ain't for me. There are these individually defined aesthetics to consider and there's also the psychology of our own ego's. There are the influences we value over others or that we unconsciously accept. The issue isn't limited to bikes. I can't tell you how many folks I've met with outdoor gear that really isn't suited to who they are and what they actually do. Rather, they bought the gear (encouraged by a friend, a salesperson, an instructor, someone on a list like this . . .) to fit who they want to be. Nothing against instructors, salespeople, friends, etc., but we all also have our own biases and sometimes people ask us for our advice without accepting it as tentatively as they should. For our part, sometimes we speak our own truths a little too confidently. In the end, folks end up with too-tippy beautiful kayaks that the expert said they'd grow
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
my sister and BIL have new bikes from REI. Her power is not falling off. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:50:30 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: I've never met a mean guy in a bike shop. Mostly passionate people, some jaded people who've heard it all before. This works for me and it should work for you, too, is a natural attitude. I think the comfort aspect that is so important to us, um, older guys really is lost in bike shops and certainly the bulk of the crank-them-out bike industry, where new, better, and techy sells. Paraphrased from the first post - seat high, bars down, that's where your power is. That's where his power is. My power is comfortably staying on the bike for a long ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I could see that if you aimed for a fistful of seatpost on a Karate-Monkey, you'd end up with a bike that is too big.But it seems the Cross-check and LHT have similar geometries to say a Quickbeam or Atlantis, and could be sized using the basic Rivendell guidelines of seat-height minus 17cm or so.In my experience, they could, and it would not result in a bike that is too big at all. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?
On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:00:42 PM UTC-5, EricP wrote: Plus, it will be an asset if you decide to stealth camp around town. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Oh dear! I'll need stealth green for camping near the river... but if I get black, I can camp right in the middle of a black-top street! ;) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I love it, but until God decides to heal my bludgeoned brain could never attend it save in spirit. Sounds like a blast though! With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:40:24 AM UTC-6, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
But Deacon, you're one of the people I want to meet! We'll just have to figure out another way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Colorado is a fine place to visit. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: But Deacon, you're one of the people I want to meet! We'll just have to figure out another way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
Jim, thanks for your most excellent info. To bike shops I'd say, leave the steerer uncut, place stem in midrange area with spacers above and below, and put up a sign saying the steerer will be cut/tailored to the buyer after purchase. If you don't want to do that for the carbon boys, I understand but we are talking tactical bikes here. Me thinks for any negative (uninformed) comments you may get, eventually, some people will sing the praises of the first shop that bothered to fit the bike to them, and they're now more comfortable than they've ever been. I can't describe the visceral (negative) reaction I have walking into a good shop, seeing a bunch of salsas and other interesting bikes I'd be interested in--but with their steerers all cut. They've basically handed me a fitting non-starter. Since I can do my own bike work, what I ask myself is, why should I buy the bike here when I can instead, look for a deal and get just want I want? I did buy a a salsa fargo at the lbs a while back. Yes, the steerer was cut. Yes, I regret doing so because it doesn't fit quite perfectly and I'd love to have a bit more height on the stem. Next time I'll be buying online or used. • Perry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?
*Nitto M-12, mounted on the brake studs. Works great.* On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:21:29 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Clayton, how are the bottom stays of your front rack mounted? With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:11:54 PM UTC-6, clayton wrote: Army Green. I too, was wavering between the two colors, black and green. I picked army green and am very glad. I appreciate the color more and more as time goes on. One thing I like the best about it is when it gets dusty and dirty. It looks better dirty than clean...lol. Black, no. My Rivendell Atlantis: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bYncxzNlvRI/UfgBndF6hFI/ACM/XLUx1htm1hU/s1600/IMG_0221.JPG Trust me.GREEN! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Likewise, Liesl. Brain injury gets in the way of a lot of good things, though the gift in it is I get a lot of time for contemplation. The smaller the event, the more likely I can attend. If you or others find yourselves near Colorado Springs and want to see if a ride is possible, let me know. I'm always game to see if I'm game (or gamy). I am tossing all caution to the wind and planning an S24O ramble training for a new branch of Mind Your Head Co-op this Autumn. I suspect I'll learn a lot from all my failures there! The amusing thing is I'm teaching it, so if my brain goes down, that'll be it's own teaching moment. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:29:40 AM UTC-6, Liesl wrote: But Deacon, you're one of the people I want to meet! We'll just have to figure out another way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?
I made it out of an army rucksack. I used an aluminum tube stiffener in a sleeve along the top of the bag to avoid a zillion top tube straps. It works great. A little ratty, but it's getting old. I think it will last as long as I do.beausage...good in bags, maybe not so much in people... On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:32:12 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Clayton, you and I have a similar aesthetic! Who made your frame bag? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Jenny's fixie FS
54cm, it's cool, buy it so I don't! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/3967840421.html Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Zurich bike shop recos?
Nice! Guess that makes 3 of us :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Hmmm. I also used to do motorcycle rallies, by brand. The biggest problem was: holding it in the Eastern one-third of the country always attracted the most people as the East generally is more densely populated, while having it in the wide-open more sparsely populated West cut down on attendance. We have a BIG country here. Could Riv do a mapping of where they know their bikes live? Give some idea of where the greatest concentrations of owners live? That would be only an estimate, of course. It's hard to make a rally in this country much more than regional. Oops, I think I'm being a wet blanket! But I would like to see bigger Riv gatherings than we've had so far. Maybe more planned and organized regional gathers? Reid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:38:58 AM UTC-7, Reid wrote: Could Riv do a mapping of where they know their bikes live? Give some idea of where the greatest concentrations of owners live? That would be only an estimate, of course. It's hard to make a rally in Someone created a Google map where owners could pin their location: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/mdwfFaPMOfY It does not seem to be available any longer, though. A national jamboree would be a great idea. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
Wow, Jim, thanks for this information. I had never really thought about this since I always ride Surly's largest sizes. I checked out the Surly site and noted that for the LHT, all sizes of the 700c bikes have a 320 mm steer tube. I'm glad I didn't get a 64cm LHT thinking I would get additional bar height over a 62! And I'm equally glad I didn't advise anyone to go for larger sizes just to get the bars higher because your point about the problem of getting too large of a frame when buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guidelines seems right on. However, negative perceptions about stacks o spacers on uncut tubes do complicate putting someone on the best frame size as you suggest. It took me a year to sell my wife on a steer tube extension for her road bike because she didn't like the way it looked. Neck pain and hand numbness eventually helped to make the case. I did note that the 26 LHT's do have different sized steerers for different ranges. Size 54 and below have a 300mm steer tube and 56 and above have a 380mm steer tube. It seems clear also that a 62cm CC would have a lower max bar height than a 62cm LHT given that CC's have a 300mm steer tube and LHT's have a 320mm tube. So . . . someone looking to get those bars up there for a given frame size would be better served by getting the LHT. Dave On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:53 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
A friend of mine recently purchased a Long Haul Trucker from his LBS in Wisconsin after coming up and test riding both my LHT and my Ogre to decide which one he wanted to get. When the shop took delivery of the bike, my friend called me asking for my advice as to what height he should have his steerer cut to, as the shop was ready to cut it for him as part of the assembly and set-up process. I told him to ask them not cut it at all, and to have them install adequate spacers for assembly. I explained that he could then play around with the height indefinitely and if and when he knew that he had his bars exactly where he wanted them, we could then cut it. He was buying a 64cm bike too, so it wasn't a ton of spacers. I also told him that my 64cm (that he did a test ride on) still has the full steerer and that the stem was right at the top. He relayed his request to the shop (while I was still on the phone) and he got a surprising amount of resistance! No you don't want to do that, etc. I kept insisting that that's exactly what he wanted them to do and it almost became an argument with my friend stuck in the middle. They finally agreed not to cut it and installed the spacers. I guess some shops just have the mentality that the steerer needs to be cut. Shaun Meehan On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:50 PM, David Craig neritic.mari...@gmail.comwrote: Wow, Jim, thanks for this information. I had never really thought about this since I always ride Surly's largest sizes. I checked out the Surly site and noted that for the LHT, all sizes of the 700c bikes have a 320 mm steer tube. I'm glad I didn't get a 64cm LHT thinking I would get additional bar height over a 62! And I'm equally glad I didn't advise anyone to go for larger sizes just to get the bars higher because your point about the problem of getting too large of a frame when buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guidelines seems right on. However, negative perceptions about stacks o spacers on uncut tubes do complicate putting someone on the best frame size as you suggest. It took me a year to sell my wife on a steer tube extension for her road bike because she didn't like the way it looked. Neck pain and hand numbness eventually helped to make the case. I did note that the 26 LHT's do have different sized steerers for different ranges. Size 54 and below have a 300mm steer tube and 56 and above have a 380mm steer tube. It seems clear also that a 62cm CC would have a lower max bar height than a 62cm LHT given that CC's have a 300mm steer tube and LHT's have a 320mm tube. So . . . someone looking to get those bars up there for a given frame size would be better served by getting the LHT. Dave On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:53 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:16:04 PM UTC-7, meehan...@gmail.com wrote: A friend of mine recently purchased a Long Haul Trucker from his LBS in Wisconsin after coming up and test riding both my LHT and my Ogre to decide which one he wanted to get. When the shop took delivery of the bike, my friend called me asking for my advice as to what height he should have his steerer cut to, as the shop was ready to cut it for him as part of the assembly and set-up process. I told him to ask them not cut it at all, and to have them install adequate spacers for assembly. I explained that he could then play around with the height indefinitely and if and when he knew that he had his bars exactly where he wanted them, we could then cut it. He was buying a 64cm bike too, so it wasn't a ton of spacers. I also told him that my 64cm (that he did a test ride on) still has the full steerer and that the stem was right at the top. He relayed his request to the shop (while I was still on the phone) and he got a surprising amount of resistance! No you don't want to do that, etc. I kept insisting that that's exactly what he wanted them to do and it almost became an argument with my friend stuck in the middle. They finally agreed not to cut it and installed the spacers. I guess some shops just have the mentality that the steerer needs to be cut. Yow, I would find another shop! I had the opposite response last year when I picked up a used litespeed. I got a new carbon fork and asked that they also not cut the steerer tube. The owner encouraged it agreeing that I should leave it until I find out exactly how high I wanted my bars. He put spacers below and on top of the stem. I still have it that way and actually like the look of the silver spacers on top of stem! Good Luck! On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:50 PM, David Craig neritic...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Wow, Jim, thanks for this information. I had never really thought about this since I always ride Surly's largest sizes. I checked out the Surly site and noted that for the LHT, all sizes of the 700c bikes have a 320 mm steer tube. I'm glad I didn't get a 64cm LHT thinking I would get additional bar height over a 62! And I'm equally glad I didn't advise anyone to go for larger sizes just to get the bars higher because your point about the problem of getting too large of a frame when buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guidelines seems right on. However, negative perceptions about stacks o spacers on uncut tubes do complicate putting someone on the best frame size as you suggest. It took me a year to sell my wife on a steer tube extension for her road bike because she didn't like the way it looked. Neck pain and hand numbness eventually helped to make the case. I did note that the 26 LHT's do have different sized steerers for different ranges. Size 54 and below have a 300mm steer tube and 56 and above have a 380mm steer tube. It seems clear also that a 62cm CC would have a lower max bar height than a 62cm LHT given that CC's have a 300mm steer tube and LHT's have a 320mm tube. So . . . someone looking to get those bars up there for a given frame size would be better served by getting the LHT. Dave On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:53 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
On a related note I just bought a new frameset that came with a 400mm threadless steerer. He spec'd it super extra long to make it impossible for anyone to want it any longer, especially considering his XL is not that big, only a 60cm c-c. I cut about 90mm off mine (58 cm c-c framesize), and it's still ridiculously long, but it's at the point where I'll dial it in and cut it again if I decide I want to. If I had left it uncut, the steerer would have poked me in the face! On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:50:58 AM UTC-7, David Craig wrote: Wow, Jim, thanks for this information. I had never really thought about this since I always ride Surly's largest sizes. I checked out the Surly site and noted that for the LHT, all sizes of the 700c bikes have a 320 mm steer tube. I'm glad I didn't get a 64cm LHT thinking I would get additional bar height over a 62! And I'm equally glad I didn't advise anyone to go for larger sizes just to get the bars higher because your point about the problem of getting too large of a frame when buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guidelines seems right on. However, negative perceptions about stacks o spacers on uncut tubes do complicate putting someone on the best frame size as you suggest. It took me a year to sell my wife on a steer tube extension for her road bike because she didn't like the way it looked. Neck pain and hand numbness eventually helped to make the case. I did note that the 26 LHT's do have different sized steerers for different ranges. Size 54 and below have a 300mm steer tube and 56 and above have a 380mm steer tube. It seems clear also that a 62cm CC would have a lower max bar height than a 62cm LHT given that CC's have a 300mm steer tube and LHT's have a 320mm tube. So . . . someone looking to get those bars up there for a given frame size would be better served by getting the LHT. Dave On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:53 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
What constitutes a fistful, and why does such an arbitrary dimension lead us around by the short hairs? Can't we go 2 cm either way and still have an approximate fistful? I would say that in general, with Long Haul Truckers and Cross-checks, go one size down from the Riv recommendation simply because the way the two brands measure frame size is slightly different. You'll still have an approximate fistful (depending on the size of your fist), and the bike will better approximate the fit of the recommended Riv size. If you measure a LHT the same way you measure an Atlantis, a 56 LHT is more equivalent to a 58 cm Atlantis. I had a 58 Atlantis for years, but a 58 Trucker felt big to me. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:38:53 AM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote: Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I could see that if you aimed for a fistful of seatpost on a Karate-Monkey, you'd end up with a bike that is too big.But it seems the Cross-check and LHT have similar geometries to say a Quickbeam or Atlantis, and could be sized using the basic Rivendell guidelines of seat-height minus 17cm or so.In my experience, they could, and it would not result in a bike that is too big at all. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
Jim +1 on your assessment for sizing Riv Atlantis and Surly LHT. My 62cm LHT fits similarly to the way my 64cm Atlantis did. Going to a 64cm LHT would also have me on a bike with a somewhat longer tt for the same bar height. I've got a short torso for my height and the extra reach would be unwelcome for my optimum choice of fit on a touring bike. Even on my 62, I'd love to bring the bars back another cm or so, but stems don't come that stubby! DC On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:12:22 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: What constitutes a fistful, and why does such an arbitrary dimension lead us around by the short hairs? Can't we go 2 cm either way and still have an approximate fistful? I would say that in general, with Long Haul Truckers and Cross-checks, go one size down from the Riv recommendation simply because the way the two brands measure frame size is slightly different. You'll still have an approximate fistful (depending on the size of your fist), and the bike will better approximate the fit of the recommended Riv size. If you measure a LHT the same way you measure an Atlantis, a 56 LHT is more equivalent to a 58 cm Atlantis. I had a 58 Atlantis for years, but a 58 Trucker felt big to me. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:38:53 AM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote: Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I could see that if you aimed for a fistful of seatpost on a Karate-Monkey, you'd end up with a bike that is too big.But it seems the Cross-check and LHT have similar geometries to say a Quickbeam or Atlantis, and could be sized using the basic Rivendell guidelines of seat-height minus 17cm or so.In my experience, they could, and it would not result in a bike that is too big at all. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:12:22 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: What constitutes a fistful, and why does such an arbitrary dimension lead us around by the short hairs? Can't we go 2 cm either way and still have an approximate fistful? I would say that in general, with Long Haul Truckers and Cross-checks, go one size down from the Riv recommendation simply because the way the two brands measure frame size is slightly different. I dunno I guess fistful is what you end up with for seatpost exposure when you subtract ~17cm from your saddle height and get your frame size, since that is what Rivendell/Grant recommendshttp://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=41, a fistful, and that is the way he recommends arriving at it.I'm sure you could go 2cm either way under this system, but this post began about a guy being sold a frame that was 4cm too small for him by his own estimation, and that of his friend (the OP, Ian). He wanted a 62, and the shop was adamant that he should ride a 58.In this case I'd guess Grant's and Ian's sizing system/recommendation have served him well. Also, Surly measures their Crosscheck and LHT frame sizes *exactly* the same way Rivendell measures theirs: Center-to-top (i.e., top of TT). My better half owns one of the early crosschecks which is sitting in our living room, and this is how it's measured/sized. You'll still have an approximate fistful (depending on the size of your fist), and the bike will better approximate the fit of the recommended Riv size. The geometries of the 58cm LHT and 58cm Atlantis are virtually identical, so I'd guess if you wanted your LHT to fit approximately like an Atlantis (as the Riv chart recommends sizing it), you'd couldn't get any closer than by purchasing the same size.Sure the BB is spec'd at 2mm higher on the LHT http://surlybikes.com/bikes/disc_trucker/geometry, with a 78mm drop rather than 80mm of the Riv, but I don't reckon that makes an appreciable difference in how big the bike feels. Matt If you measure a LHT the same way you measure an Atlantis, a 56 LHT is more equivalent to a 58 cm Atlantis. I had a 58 Atlantis for years, but a 58 Trucker felt big to me. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:38:53 AM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote: Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I could see that if you aimed for a fistful of seatpost on a Karate-Monkey, you'd end up with a bike that is too big.But it seems the Cross-check and LHT have similar geometries to say a Quickbeam or Atlantis, and could be sized using the basic Rivendell guidelines of seat-height minus 17cm or so.In my experience, they could, and it would not result in a bike that is too big at all. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!
I have those Ciussi Elite aluminun cages w the plastic buttons. I think I want something more grown-up (restrained and tasteful). I never really warmed to the $50.00+ Nitto cages... totally an exception, not the rule for Nitto. If Nitto ever made a complete group ,I'd beg,borrow or steal to have it. But those Iris cages look smashing. I can see why you switched: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/9325930580/in/pool-rivendell See the heart in the photo? On Monday, May 20, 2013 10:17:06 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Hooray for Rivendell for carrying this great MUSA product. I've moved from Nitto to King Iris cages on all my bikes over the last few years and absolutely love them! Cheers, David On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.comjavascript: wrote: On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 19:37 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: And, from my experience with Nittos and VOs, the Kings are much sturdier and hold bottles better. Especially if you want to overload the cages with extremely large, heavy stainless steel bottles. Also, the King Iris is by far the best cage for the third position, underneath the down tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
a fistful is a the right ballpark to begin, then you dial in everything. Higher, lower, forward, back. It's amazing what a difference 1 or 2 degrees rotation can make on handlebar. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:44:59 PM UTC-5, David Craig wrote: Jim +1 on your assessment for sizing Riv Atlantis and Surly LHT. My 62cm LHT fits similarly to the way my 64cm Atlantis did. Going to a 64cm LHT would also have me on a bike with a somewhat longer tt for the same bar height. I've got a short torso for my height and the extra reach would be unwelcome for my optimum choice of fit on a touring bike. Even on my 62, I'd love to bring the bars back another cm or so, but stems don't come that stubby! DC On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:12:22 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: What constitutes a fistful, and why does such an arbitrary dimension lead us around by the short hairs? Can't we go 2 cm either way and still have an approximate fistful? I would say that in general, with Long Haul Truckers and Cross-checks, go one size down from the Riv recommendation simply because the way the two brands measure frame size is slightly different. You'll still have an approximate fistful (depending on the size of your fist), and the bike will better approximate the fit of the recommended Riv size. If you measure a LHT the same way you measure an Atlantis, a 56 LHT is more equivalent to a 58 cm Atlantis. I had a 58 Atlantis for years, but a 58 Trucker felt big to me. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:38:53 AM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote: Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I could see that if you aimed for a fistful of seatpost on a Karate-Monkey, you'd end up with a bike that is too big.But it seems the Cross-check and LHT have similar geometries to say a Quickbeam or Atlantis, and could be sized using the basic Rivendell guidelines of seat-height minus 17cm or so.In my experience, they could, and it would not result in a bike that is too big at all. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
Matt: Also, Surly measures their Crosscheck and LHT frame sizes *exactly* the same way Rivendell measures theirs: Center-to-top (i.e., top of TT). My better half owns one of the early crosschecks which is sitting in our living room, and this is how it's measured/sized. From the Riv site: Sizing Rivendells (the bikes we design) -- frame sizes measured center of crank to top of seat tube * * Not saying you didn't see what you saw, but I just measured my AHH and it's 65 cm at the top of the seat tube. Dave On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:55:14 PM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote: On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:12:22 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: What constitutes a fistful, and why does such an arbitrary dimension lead us around by the short hairs? Can't we go 2 cm either way and still have an approximate fistful? I would say that in general, with Long Haul Truckers and Cross-checks, go one size down from the Riv recommendation simply because the way the two brands measure frame size is slightly different. I dunno I guess fistful is what you end up with for seatpost exposure when you subtract ~17cm from your saddle height and get your frame size, since that is what Rivendell/Grant recommendshttp://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=41, a fistful, and that is the way he recommends arriving at it.I'm sure you could go 2cm either way under this system, but this post began about a guy being sold a frame that was 4cm too small for him by his own estimation, and that of his friend (the OP, Ian). He wanted a 62, and the shop was adamant that he should ride a 58.In this case I'd guess Grant's and Ian's sizing system/recommendation have served him well. Also, Surly measures their Crosscheck and LHT frame sizes *exactly* the same way Rivendell measures theirs: Center-to-top (i.e., top of TT). My better half owns one of the early crosschecks which is sitting in our living room, and this is how it's measured/sized. You'll still have an approximate fistful (depending on the size of your fist), and the bike will better approximate the fit of the recommended Riv size. The geometries of the 58cm LHT and 58cm Atlantis are virtually identical, so I'd guess if you wanted your LHT to fit approximately like an Atlantis (as the Riv chart recommends sizing it), you'd couldn't get any closer than by purchasing the same size.Sure the BB is spec'd at 2mm higher on the LHT http://surlybikes.com/bikes/disc_trucker/geometry, with a 78mm drop rather than 80mm of the Riv, but I don't reckon that makes an appreciable difference in how big the bike feels. Matt If you measure a LHT the same way you measure an Atlantis, a 56 LHT is more equivalent to a 58 cm Atlantis. I had a 58 Atlantis for years, but a 58 Trucker felt big to me. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:38:53 AM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote: Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I could see that if you aimed for a fistful of seatpost on a Karate-Monkey, you'd end up with a bike that is too big.But it seems the Cross-check and LHT have similar geometries to say a Quickbeam or Atlantis, and could be sized using the basic Rivendell guidelines of seat-height minus 17cm or so.In my experience, they could, and it would not result in a bike that is too big at all. On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:17:53 AM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: All Cross-checks in all sizes come out of the box with 300 mm steerers. With a 62 cm frame, there is nothing to cut off because the head tube is long enough to allow a stem and maybe an inch or two of spacers. The old Surly warranty stipulated that stem plus spacers shouldn't exceed 100 mm, but last year they changed that, and now they say there is no limit on steerer length. But this is important: with threaded steerers, the size of the frame determines how high you can get the bars. If you want high bars, get a big frame. This is the Rivendell way. This advice is completely worthless with threadless steerers like Surly uses, because all sizes can have the same handlebar height if you don't cut the steerer. So a 52 cm frame can theoretically fit exactly the same as a 58 cm frame if the stem length is long enough to make up the difference. Buying a Surly using the Riv sizing guideline apples-to-apples is quite likely to result in a bike that's on the too-big side. I will tell you that uncut steerers with a lot of spacers tend to get a lot of negative commentary. Our Surly floor bikes usually sport this feature, and everyday somebody asks me to justify it or comments that they don't like the look. Yet of the bikes that sell, only a small fraction come back to have the steerer shortened. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:21:24 PM UTC-4, David Craig wrote: Matt: Also, Surly measures their Crosscheck and LHT frame sizes *exactly* the same way Rivendell measures theirs: Center-to-top (i.e., top of TT). My better half owns one of the early crosschecks which is sitting in our living room, and this is how it's measured/sized. From the Riv site: Sizing Rivendells (the bikes we design) -- frame sizes measured center of crank to top of seat tube * * Not saying you didn't see what you saw, but I just measured my AHH and it's 65 cm at the top of the seat tube. Dave, the top of the seat tube on a Riv corresponds to the top of the top-tube, because their frames are lugged, and as such there is no extension of seat-tube above the top-tube.The Surly LHT and CC models are sized exactly the same way that Riv does their sizes, even though they * do* have that extension (an artifact of their tig-welded joinery).They do not include the extension of ST beyond the TT, but measure from the center of the BB to the top of the TT, just as Riv does. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
This sounds like a great idea, and a chance to meet new people (or old friends but in the flesh!) and see new country. Colorado in the summer...excellent biking, hiking, all sorts of stuff to do. And kinda-sorta in the center of the Lower 48. From experience, MN WI also have good places to ride. I've never biked on the East Coast would look forward to that experience. Just about anywhere can be interesting. The Key will be the local organizers, at least for scoping out venue routes. dougP On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:32:16 AM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote: Colorado is a fine place to visit. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org javascript:wrote: But Deacon, you're one of the people I want to meet! We'll just have to figure out another way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate
Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumnhttp://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate
Well I would take the $90 with shipping , go to hardware store, get some wood and metal straps for 10 bucks, some paint for 10 more, some leather straps from the fine people at Rivendell for 10 more and you will have something way cooler. I am just a DIY kinda person. You know what I cant make http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126180612TID=367gclid=CN_Tga_e2rgCFUOd4Aod-EAADw that I would buy. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:45 PM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate
SMP, The crates are gorgeous, but the rear attachment with flat stock to the fork crown does not look up to the task. If you go this route, I'd suggest picking up some of the Wald basket hardware that will attach the rear of the crate to your bars for stability. It also looks (like the Wald) like it's designed to mount to the front axle. This is best done with nutted axles, but you should be OK with good steel, internal cam quick release skewers. Just watch that the strut doesn't hang up on the lawyer lips (the little bumps that keep your front wheel from falling out as easily, assuming your fork has them). The whole set up could be made pretty quick to take off--just two bolts (or wingnuts?) at the bars and the front axle. All that would stay on the bike would be the two Wald handlebar clamps. If you get it, feel free to ask the group for help dialing in the install. They're an ingenious bunch! Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Pletscher Two Leg Stand
I have an old one if above deal doesn't work out and you are still looking. Looks like gray metal. Not shiny. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I'd love to try it. Of course, the time/distance/whatnot will keep some from coming, but for whoever could do it, wow! You gonna set it up, List rules apply? :) On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate
@Peter - thanks for the tips. I am not so handy, and I live in Zurich, the most expensive city in the world ... so multiply all of those figures by 2.5 and you'll be back at almost 90, shipped ;) @Joe - Thanks for the info. I think I have some Wald basket hardware lying around, but I have been averse to mounting anything on my handlebars as I like to keep it clean. This is also why I was wondering if I should instead put the basket on a rack. Also, not sure if my fork has lawyer lips... doesn't look like ithttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5594285268/in/set-72157626345789636/ . On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:07:28 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote: SMP, The crates are gorgeous, but the rear attachment with flat stock to the fork crown does not look up to the task. If you go this route, I'd suggest picking up some of the Wald basket hardware that will attach the rear of the crate to your bars for stability. It also looks (like the Wald) like it's designed to mount to the front axle. This is best done with nutted axles, but you should be OK with good steel, internal cam quick release skewers. Just watch that the strut doesn't hang up on the lawyer lips (the little bumps that keep your front wheel from falling out as easily, assuming your fork has them). The whole set up could be made pretty quick to take off--just two bolts (or wingnuts?) at the bars and the front axle. All that would stay on the bike would be the two Wald handlebar clamps. If you get it, feel free to ask the group for help dialing in the install. They're an ingenious bunch! Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: For Sale; 50cm Rivendell Glorius; Excellent, Nearly New Condition; $2500 Complete + $80 shipping conus
OMFG!! (as the kids like to say) It's a tentacular hen's tooth! (as none of the kids say) On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:21:06 PM UTC-7, Mayfly wrote: We are reluctantly selling our 50 cm Glorius, purchased new from and built by Rivendell, ridden about 300 miles total. Periwinkle Blue. Here is a summary of the build. Everything pictured is included in the sale except for the wicker basket and tweed saddlebag. Typical Riv build. Frame Fork; lugged steel, some of the prettiest lugs Rivendell has used on a bike frame Cranks; Sugino XD, Chainrings; 346 t, 36 t 24 t 165 arms Front Derailer; IRD Alpina Rear Derailer, Shimano Deore Shifters; Shimano Dura Ace Bar-end, 8 Speed friction or index Stem; Nitto Technomic Deluxe Bar; Nitto Albatross alloy Brake levers; Tektro Bar Wrap; Cork Grips and shellacked tape/ twine Pedals; MKS Touring Brakes; Dia comp centerpulls Front Rack; Mark's Front wheel; Shimano LX hub, 650b Velocity Synergy 32 hole rim, Panaracer Col delaV tire Rear wheel; Shimano LX hub, 650b 32 hole Velocity Synergy rim, 8 speed cassette 13-32, Panaracer C delaV tire Saddle; Brooks B-68s, brown Seatpost; Nitto 1 bolt Bottle Cage; Nitto hourglass stainless steel (1) Silca pump PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO Asking $2580 shipped Conus please contact me at msch...@nmsu.edu javascript: for more info or photos Thanks, Marc __ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!
I'd already outfitted my bikes with V-O Moderniste, but the King cage is a good deal. Ryan, your bike is gorgeous - what is your saddle? On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:08:18 PM UTC-5, Ryan wrote: I have those Ciussi Elite aluminun cages w the plastic buttons. I think I want something more grown-up (restrained and tasteful). I never really warmed to the $50.00+ Nitto cages... totally an exception, not the rule for Nitto. If Nitto ever made a complete group ,I'd beg,borrow or steal to have it. But those Iris cages look smashing. I can see why you switched: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/9325930580/in/pool-rivendell See the heart in the photo? On Monday, May 20, 2013 10:17:06 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Hooray for Rivendell for carrying this great MUSA product. I've moved from Nitto to King Iris cages on all my bikes over the last few years and absolutely love them! Cheers, David On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 19:37 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: And, from my experience with Nittos and VOs, the Kings are much sturdier and hold bottles better. Especially if you want to overload the cages with extremely large, heavy stainless steel bottles. Also, the King Iris is by far the best cage for the third position, underneath the down tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate
Ah, even more expensive than NYC I hear. I would use the basket with a rack if you don't like the whole declaeur look. You will still have to get creative with attaching it though unless zip ties don't bother you. They do make them in fun colors On Jul 31, 2013 6:28 PM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote: @Peter - thanks for the tips. I am not so handy, and I live in Zurich, the most expensive city in the world ... so multiply all of those figures by 2.5 and you'll be back at almost 90, shipped ;) @Joe - Thanks for the info. I think I have some Wald basket hardware lying around, but I have been averse to mounting anything on my handlebars as I like to keep it clean. This is also why I was wondering if I should instead put the basket on a rack. Also, not sure if my fork has lawyer lips... doesn't look like ithttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5594285268/in/set-72157626345789636/ . On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:07:28 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote: SMP, The crates are gorgeous, but the rear attachment with flat stock to the fork crown does not look up to the task. If you go this route, I'd suggest picking up some of the Wald basket hardware that will attach the rear of the crate to your bars for stability. It also looks (like the Wald) like it's designed to mount to the front axle. This is best done with nutted axles, but you should be OK with good steel, internal cam quick release skewers. Just watch that the strut doesn't hang up on the lawyer lips (the little bumps that keep your front wheel from falling out as easily, assuming your fork has them). The whole set up could be made pretty quick to take off--just two bolts (or wingnuts?) at the bars and the front axle. All that would stay on the bike would be the two Wald handlebar clamps. If you get it, feel free to ask the group for help dialing in the install. They're an ingenious bunch! Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
gotta agree with Matt on this one.. the diagram on Surly's site is pretty clear. and while I'm at it... Seems to me Grant ought to say more about top tube length as part of the bike fit info. Especially with his sloping top tube models. For me I look at that 1st and seat tube length second. It's a balance between the two that gets the best bike fit. I see too many people with 60 or 70mm stems. First sign that the bike is too big. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Custom Paint: Army Green or Tuxedo Black?
I have a shiny black Yves, with cream accents (not the head tube though), and honey brooks (darkening) and metal fenders which is quite attractive, and easy to touch up. The bike obviously doesn't look like the kind of bike most people ride, but I think the black helps it blend in better. However, green is one of my favorite colors, especially for bikes, and I have seen pictures (on this site) of a dark green Yves and a light sparkly green Betty - if they were available as an option, without extra waiting, even at a higher price, I would probably have picked green. In short, for a custom bike, I would get a special custom color. Kate -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!
Is this King cage a good fit for the standard or insulated Klean Kanteen? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Rambouillet - 58cm blue
Bump! I'm back from my recently cycling trips and this baby is still available! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Jenny's fixie FS
OK, I couldn't resist. I picked it up. It's actually too small for my 84 pbh but my 9 year old will have a great bike in another couple years. -Donald- Oakland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Jenny's fixie FS
Thanks, Joe! You can buy it directly from RBW, too (price reduced): http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-073.htm Take care, guys! --jenny @ RBW On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:34:50 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: 54cm, it's cool, buy it so I don't! http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/3967840421.html Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Build
Doug, The tires are 26x1.6. I advocated for fatter tires to start with, but I lost that one! We'll be sure to post a review of the H-Bars after some longer rides. Weather permitting, the bike is going fishing this weekend so we'll get a chance to see how it handles the fire roads. Do you have fenders on your Atlantis? If so, what are you using? Thanks! Kristy On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:11:46 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote: Kristy: What size tires are those? Also, let us know how the Jones bars work out. I'm musing on changing bars on my Atlantis. dougP On Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:22:32 PM UTC-7, kmcmoobud wrote: Hi, I just finished building up my partner's new Atlantis, which we purchased from listserv member Pepe. We took it out for a test ride and had an unfortunate encounter with chain suck. The first scratch of many, I suppose. We picked a mix of components to make the bike flexible enough to tour, keep up (mostly) during shorter road/group rides, and most importantly, to carry my trout-fishing obsessed partner to the harder to reach blue line fishing streams where the native brookies tend to hide.The build list link is included with the pictures, which are found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/surlybvisits/sets/72157634826315045/ Racks, fenders, and a few other small items to be added when we find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which, if there is any bike can get us there, this is the one! Oh, and a big shout out to Steve Cheers with Mountain Sports Limitedhttp://mountainsportsltd.com/for listening to us go on and on and on about the build! Visit these guys if you can. Happy riding, Kristy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] So.Cal vs No.Cal Rivendell Rumble Recap
Wow! Looks like a great time was had by all. Will plan better on my half
for the next one ( so that I can attend).
Hugh, next time you are down south let me know and perhaps a ride will
develop.
On Wednesday, July 31, 2013, hsmitham wrote:
Yeah always good to have one. I've been carrying a Kryptonite cable lock
but just got the Abus cable one Riv recommends. +1 what Doug said always
good to carry one, what's a little extra weight to help you sleep better
while camping. I also never leave my Hilsen for long even when locked as
these locks will only slow down a determined bicycle thief.
~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Build
Thanks, Ian. I'm pretty happy with it! The brakes are Velo Orange Grand Cru Zestes. I had them on my Surly Cross Check for a year or so and just picked up a pair of used Pauls so I moved them to the Atlantis to save a few bucks, and I think they look better on the A. I've been out on several fully loaded tours and they work well. Kristy On Tuesday, July 30, 2013 11:11:25 PM UTC-4, IanA wrote: Really pretty bicycle and endless attention to detail - extremely well done. The silver colour LX hubs look fantastic. Excellent photography too. What brakes are those? Ian A Edmonton AB Canada On Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:22:32 PM UTC-6, kmcmoobud wrote: Hi, I just finished building up my partner's new Atlantis, which we purchased from listserv member Pepe. We took it out for a test ride and had an unfortunate encounter with chain suck. The first scratch of many, I suppose. We picked a mix of components to make the bike flexible enough to tour, keep up (mostly) during shorter road/group rides, and most importantly, to carry my trout-fishing obsessed partner to the harder to reach blue line fishing streams where the native brookies tend to hide.The build list link is included with the pictures, which are found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/surlybvisits/sets/72157634826315045/ Racks, fenders, and a few other small items to be added when we find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, which, if there is any bike can get us there, this is the one! Oh, and a big shout out to Steve Cheers with Mountain Sports Limitedhttp://mountainsportsltd.com/for listening to us go on and on and on about the build! Visit these guys if you can. Happy riding, Kristy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] The Mini-Triangle is back!
I've been swapping one mini-triangle between bikes, checking every shop I go into for backstock, and never finding any. Today I emailed Jog-A-Lite to see what it would take to get them to make them again. Then I emailed Spencer at Riv and asked him what it would take to convince Riv to make it happen. Spencer said We're way ahead of you, we already ARE making it happen. They'll be back in August and I'm going to buy 10 of them. One for every bike in the garage, plus a few for gifts. An $8 MUSA product never made me so happy http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re6.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
Point taken, Matt. On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW that they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? If so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle to the tt (Hilborne).? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Gotham Cargo Crate
Sorry, I missed the part about mounting to a front rack and understand wanting to keep the clamps off the bars. That dropout is spectacular. Lip free or die. Good luck! Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:28 PM, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote: @Peter - thanks for the tips. I am not so handy, and I live in Zurich, the most expensive city in the world ... so multiply all of those figures by 2.5 and you'll be back at almost 90, shipped ;) @Joe - Thanks for the info. I think I have some Wald basket hardware lying around, but I have been averse to mounting anything on my handlebars as I like to keep it clean. This is also why I was wondering if I should instead put the basket on a rack. Also, not sure if my fork has lawyer lips... doesn't look like ithttp://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/5594285268/in/set-72157626345789636/ . On Thursday, August 1, 2013 12:07:28 AM UTC+2, joe b. wrote: SMP, The crates are gorgeous, but the rear attachment with flat stock to the fork crown does not look up to the task. If you go this route, I'd suggest picking up some of the Wald basket hardware that will attach the rear of the crate to your bars for stability. It also looks (like the Wald) like it's designed to mount to the front axle. This is best done with nutted axles, but you should be OK with good steel, internal cam quick release skewers. Just watch that the strut doesn't hang up on the lawyer lips (the little bumps that keep your front wheel from falling out as easily, assuming your fork has them). The whole set up could be made pretty quick to take off--just two bolts (or wingnuts?) at the bars and the front axle. All that would stay on the bike would be the two Wald handlebar clamps. If you get it, feel free to ask the group for help dialing in the install. They're an ingenious bunch! Best, joe broach portland, or On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, SMP sum...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Bunch, I am contemplating a few upgrades to my bike, and one of these is the autumn http://www.gothamcargo.com/about-autumn/ front basket/crate by Gotham Cargo http://gothamcargo.com. Here is a photo of my Riv http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumehra/6320659498/in/set-72157626345789636(not very recent). Now imagine silver Gilles Berthoud fenders and cream tires (this is already a part of the upgrade plan). My first question is, given my color scheme, what color crate would you recommend? Click here for color optionshttp://www.gothamcargo.com/customize-it/. I am leaning towards Natural, Graphite, or Silver. If I do Natural, though, I'd like to varnish it somehow to make it match the honey saddle and amber shellacked cork grips. (Silly question - Can I use shellac on wood or only varnish?) My next question is, is there a way to mount this in an easy-on/easy off method on either a big nitto front rack or the smaller mark's rack? Maybe using retractable zip ties or a klickfix solution? I want to have the versatility to have it on most of the time for my inner city use, but from time to time on long rides, have the option to go crate-free. My last question is, is this a terrible idea? Thanks and looking forward to your feedback. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Jenny's fixie FS
awesome! Thanks, Don! --jenny @ RBW ps, if it makes you feel any better, my PBH is 86.5 and I was riding the heck out of that bike. I love that thing. I hope you guys enjoy it! On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:59:03 PM UTC-7, Donald Lee wrote: OK, I couldn't resist. I picked it up. It's actually too small for my 84 pbh but my 9 year old will have a great bike in another couple years. -Donald- Oakland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!
Yes, yes they are! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9131448186/ The naming of the cage is interesting. The company is King Cage, or Andrews, and the cage is an Iris. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Donald Lee m...@donaldlee.net wrote: Is this King cage a good fit for the standard or insulated Klean Kanteen? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Hugh: Count me in! Great spot. And yes, plenty of free parking in front of my house. I'm a mile from the Tustin Metrolink station for those that want to train down this far ride to San Mateo. dougP On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: The Mini-Triangle is back!
Always get a few spares on these. The orange part fades over time but so slowly you don't notice until you see a new one. As William notes, they also make great gifts. The velcro fastener works with a lot of seat bags so even minimalists can find a way to attach. dougP On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:18:05 PM UTC-7, William wrote: I've been swapping one mini-triangle between bikes, checking every shop I go into for backstock, and never finding any. Today I emailed Jog-A-Lite to see what it would take to get them to make them again. Then I emailed Spencer at Riv and asked him what it would take to convince Riv to make it happen. Spencer said We're way ahead of you, we already ARE making it happen. They'll be back in August and I'm going to buy 10 of them. One for every bike in the garage, plus a few for gifts. An $8 MUSA product never made me so happy http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re6.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way in. Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected this would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I think it would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link station. Food for thought. ~Hugh On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!
Heart shaped cage. On 7/31/13, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: Yes, yes they are! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9131448186/ The naming of the cage is interesting. The company is King Cage, or Andrews, and the cage is an Iris. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Donald Lee m...@donaldlee.net wrote: Is this King cage a good fit for the standard or insulated Klean Kanteen? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] NITTO-esqe new King cages on Riv now for cheap!
Also can hold a coffee thermos preferably with a little tape. I do like the finish of the stainless. A just a little rough. David http://www.flickr.com/photos/71834221@N00/9412939186/in/set-72157633319840872 On Jul 31, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: Yes, yes they are! http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9131448186/ The naming of the cage is interesting. The company is King Cage, or Andrews, and the cage is an Iris. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Donald Lee m...@donaldlee.net wrote: Is this King cage a good fit for the standard or insulated Klean Kanteen? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Bellingham is on the Washington Canada border and has great food and salmon to barbeque in the summer. We have world class wine and micro brew beers although that pleasure is denied me these days. the riding here is beyond belief people who wanted to stay longer than a weekend could hit the san juans or the canadian gulf islands or go over the mountains to eastern Washington I bet bellingham and seattle together have as large a riv density as anywhere in the country judging from my riv sightings and the contributors to the listserv. many people would not buy the idea that bellingham is centrally located even though it is half way between seattle and vancouver bc On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I can't say Bellingham is centrally located. But that area would make a great location for a Riv jamboree. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:20 PM, bo richardson borus...@gmail.com wrote: Bellingham is on the Washington Canada border and has great food and salmon to barbeque in the summer. We have world class wine and micro brew beers although that pleasure is denied me these days. the riding here is beyond belief people who wanted to stay longer than a weekend could hit the san juans or the canadian gulf islands or go over the mountains to eastern Washington I bet bellingham and seattle together have as large a riv density as anywhere in the country judging from my riv sightings and the contributors to the listserv. many people would not buy the idea that bellingham is centrally located even though it is half way between seattle and vancouver bc On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Jenny's fixie FS
Phew, my wallet is safe! Unless Grant keeps dropping the price on Mark's BOM San Marcos... ;) On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:40:38 PM UTC-7, jenny klug wrote: awesome! Thanks, Don! --jenny @ RBW ps, if it makes you feel any better, my PBH is 86.5 and I was riding the heck out of that bike. I love that thing. I hope you guys enjoy it! On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:59:03 PM UTC-7, Donald Lee wrote: OK, I couldn't resist. I picked it up. It's actually too small for my 84 pbh but my 9 year old will have a great bike in another couple years. -Donald- Oakland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
It's pretty obvious this will be a west coast thing. Weather and lower density of Riv owners here out east pretty much dictates it. One year I will feel well enough for riv rally east though. You west coasters have it good! On Jul 31, 2013 9:28 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I can't say Bellingham is centrally located. But that area would make a great location for a Riv jamboree. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:20 PM, bo richardson borus...@gmail.com wrote: Bellingham is on the Washington Canada border and has great food and salmon to barbeque in the summer. We have world class wine and micro brew beers although that pleasure is denied me these days. the riding here is beyond belief people who wanted to stay longer than a weekend could hit the san juans or the canadian gulf islands or go over the mountains to eastern Washington I bet bellingham and seattle together have as large a riv density as anywhere in the country judging from my riv sightings and the contributors to the listserv. many people would not buy the idea that bellingham is centrally located even though it is half way between seattle and vancouver bc On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: The Mini-Triangle is back!
Great!! I was so disappointed when Riv stopped carrying them that I called Jog a lite who said they were not making them anymore. I was out at RBW a few weeks ago and thought I was so lucky to pick a couple out of the garage sale corner!! Quality products is what Riv carries! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
How about a Riv tour down the Great Divide bike route? Mixed terrain, self-supported, and a rider could choose a particular part or the whole route. just thinkin' jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
If it's in the summer I'm in. Lets pick a date for this 2014 Jamboree I say July 12-13 2014 Usually a quite week after the July 4. Let's make it happen! -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Liesl, I think it's a brilliant idea! I for one would love to meet other Riv riders. I really, really, like the Bellingham notion as it would meet my desire to go to PDX then up to the rally! The added benifit is that my wife has family in Bellingham so I could sell her on that aspect of the trip, he,he...not central unless you live in Whistler or Seattle...let the planning begin...Rivendell Rally 2014 woo hoo! ~Hugh On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS: Kalloy Seatpost, Rivendell Hat, VO Bottom Bracket, Dia Compe Downtube Shifters
I have the following items for sale: 1. Brand new in the factory bag 27.2 Kalloy Laprade silver seatpost. $15 shipped 2. Brand new/never worn midnight blue Rivendell Cap. $15 shipped http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac3-midblue.htm 3. VO Bottom Bracket. Used for approximately 300 miles maybe less. In very nice condition. English Thread. Shimano type/square bracket. 110mm. $20 shipped http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/null_zps27d4fd7a.jpg http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/null_zpsda33ff8a.jpg 4. VO Dia Compe Downtube Shifters. These are essentially just like the silver shifters except branded DIa Compe and sold by Velo Orange. USed but very nice condition. $20 shipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] FS: Kalloy Seatpost, Rivendell Hat, VO Bottom Bracket, Dia Compe Downtube Shifters
Hi Johnny. I'll take the shifters if they are still around. And the cap. Dan On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I have the following items for sale: 1. Brand new in the factory bag 27.2 Kalloy Laprade silver seatpost. $15 shipped 2. Brand new/never worn midnight blue Rivendell Cap. $15 shipped http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac3-midblue.htm 3. VO Bottom Bracket. Used for approximately 300 miles maybe less. In very nice condition. English Thread. Shimano type/square bracket. 110mm. $20 shipped http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/null_zps27d4fd7a.jpg http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/null_zpsda33ff8a.jpg 4. VO Dia Compe Downtube Shifters. These are essentially just like the silver shifters except branded DIa Compe and sold by Velo Orange. USed but very nice condition. $20 shipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] FS: Kalloy Seatpost, Rivendell Hat, VO Bottom Bracket, Dia Compe Downtube Shifters
Sent the $. Dan McNamara 41 Bryn Mawr Dr San Rafael, CA 94901 Thanks! On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:00 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I have the following items for sale: 1. Brand new in the factory bag 27.2 Kalloy Laprade silver seatpost. $15 shipped 2. Brand new/never worn midnight blue Rivendell Cap. $15 shipped http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ac3-midblue.htm 3. VO Bottom Bracket. Used for approximately 300 miles maybe less. In very nice condition. English Thread. Shimano type/square bracket. 110mm. $20 shipped http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/null_zps27d4fd7a.jpg http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/null_zpsda33ff8a.jpg 4. VO Dia Compe Downtube Shifters. These are essentially just like the silver shifters except branded DIa Compe and sold by Velo Orange. USed but very nice condition. $20 shipped -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
International Rivendell riders also invited! I can think of 3 guys in Chiang Mai, Thailand, that would be welcome, and I'll bet there are some others scattered around. dougP On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:54:20 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Liesl, I think it's a brilliant idea! I for one would love to meet other Riv riders. I really, really, like the Bellingham notion as it would meet my desire to go to PDX then up to the rally! The added benifit is that my wife has family in Bellingham so I could sell her on that aspect of the trip, he,he...not central unless you live in Whistler or Seattle...let the planning begin...Rivendell Rally 2014 woo hoo! ~Hugh On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Jenny's fixie FS
I built a bike for my 10 year old, and ended up riding it like crazy. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Jenny's fixie FS
I built a bike for my 10 year old, and ended up riding it like crazy. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Start the summer right. Mixed terrain June 2nd
You are formally invited to... Bike Birthday Campout When: Aug 17-18 Where: Two Rock Campgrounds at Lake Chabot Regional Park Meet: San Leandro Bart 12ish How: Saturday: Easy bike camping trip starting from San Leandro cutting through Lake Chabot to Two Rock Campgrounds http://goo.gl/maps/0kyHX OR Easy way drive there and do some car camping. Sunday: Ride some single track in the morning and easy bike back to Castro Valley Bart. Ride continues to Pleasanton Ridge Regional park for more riding. Invite friends 50+ folks can come by should be a blast. Just BYOF (bring your own food) Don't assume that we'll have enough for everyone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
Query: Why do most manufacturers use the C-T measurement, when the top is sorta' ambiguous? Seems like C-C is a more consistent measurement, and the way top tubes are measured as well. Juster wondering. On 7/31/13, David Craig neritic.mari...@gmail.com wrote: Point taken, Matt. On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW that they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? If so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle to the tt (Hilborne).? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)
During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of Aug 5. Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms. Hope ya'll can make it. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
A tentative Yes. Thanks for putting this together! If you're going to be @ San Mateo, you absolutely HAVE to ride the No Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels Christianitos Rd and doesn't have any real climbs. Just up and downs and all arounds. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/9323152107/in/photostream/ On 7/31/13, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way in. Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected this would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I think it would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link station. Food for thought. ~Hugh On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)
This coming Monday night? Are you thinking totally legit or just semi-legit camping? - Andrew, Berkeley On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of Aug 5. Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms. Hope ya'll can make it. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)
What, Juniper? I was looking for something to do when the BART strike strands me at the office. Can I come? On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41:50 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: During the Rumble Mike and I talked about doing an overnighter up Mt.Tam. I'm pretty sure theres campsites up there. I think we picked the date of Aug 5. Hopefully Mike sees this and confirms. Hope ya'll can make it. -Manny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
For that matter, in the industry in general why are so few TT upslope angles included in geometry info? With Rivs, for example, it's important to know that some models slope about 2 degrees, while others slope 6 degrees. The 6 degree ones shoot those bars up about 4 extra centimeters relative to the seat. (It's about a cm of height per degree.) fortunately, Rivendell is one company that does provide TT upslope numbers. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:46 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: A tentative Yes. Thanks for putting this together! If you're going to be @ San Mateo, you absolutely HAVE to ride the No Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels Christianitos Rd and doesn't have any real climbs. Just up and downs and all arounds. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/9323152107/in/photostream/ On 7/31/13, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Ok I booked it cause I was afraid it would be gone! So I'm all the way in. Mike sorry you can't but this was short notice so I sort of expected this would happen with some. Anyway we can work on another date. Also I think it would great if we could all meet @ Doug's or the Metro Link station. Food for thought. ~Hugh On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:17:11 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: I'd love to Hugh, but I'm on a backpacking trip that week. How about we do the Crystal Cove campground the next weekend. It's a primitive site so easy to get reservations. I'm all recovered from my crash, finally. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.
Thanks Hugh. It sounds cool, but I'm assuming it will be too close to my return south after a long bay area trip. We also have a school inservice keeping me stuck in PV most of Friday. I'll let y'all know if I change my fortunes. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 5:12 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: SoCal Rivesters, I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good date before the Labor Day weekend. Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it. Thanks for looking, ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
For that matter, in the industry in general why are so few TT upslope angles included in geometry info? With Rivs, for example, it's important to know that some models slope about 2 degrees, while others slope 6 degrees. The 6 degree ones shoot those bars up about 4 extra centimeters relative to the seat. (It's about a cm of height per degree.) fortunately, Rivendell is one company that does provide TT upslope numbers. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:24 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Query: Why do most manufacturers use the C-T measurement, when the top is sorta' ambiguous? Seems like C-C is a more consistent measurement, and the way top tubes are measured as well. Juster wondering. On 7/31/13, David Craig neritic.mari...@gmail.com wrote: Point taken, Matt. On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW that they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? If so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle to the tt (Hilborne).? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: s240 Mt Tam (Paging Mike Allen)
Monday night? H... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Fitting - A Mine Field
To David Craig's question: no, for Atlantis and AHH, the TT listings are actual, not effective. So with those two, the effective TT is a bit longer, but the effect is relatively small due to low angles. But yes it's true that the expanded frames (6 degree upslope ones) only list the effective TT, not actual. If you like geometry and trigonometry, I figured our how to calculate effective TT length. If you're interested, send me a private message. -Jim W. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:23 PM, David Craig neritic.mari...@gmail.com wrote: Point taken, Matt. On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW that they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? If so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle to the tt (Hilborne).? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
