Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Clayton.sf]

I'm in! This will be Great!

Clayton Scott
SF,CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

Or at least since December! :-)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:35 PM, BSWP  wrote:

> Wow! That is going to be the most awesome event on the slopes of Mount
> Tamalpais in decades...
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Need advice on a potential Quickbeam Modification

[Philip Williamson]

A sliding dropout that splits to allow the belt through the stays might work. I 
think (cursory googling) that the Paragon one would only work with 142x12 
axles, which sounds like a new wheel and a reset rear triangle.

Philip
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[BSWP]

Wow! That is going to be the most awesome event on the slopes of Mount 
Tamalpais in decades... 

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] V-brakes & front racks

[dougP]

Today's BLUG mention of potential conflict with V-brakes blocking the hole 
in the fork crown & causing a fit problem with racks reminded me of 
kinda-sorta almost having that issue when I changed my Atlantis over to 
Vs.  I use a small Nitto front rack that mounts to that fork crown hole.  
On the original Vs that I used the noodle boot contacted the rack strut.  
Not enough to cause problems but it had zero clearance.  It worked but when 
I came across a brake with slightly longer arms (107 mm vs 102 mm, IIRC), I 
installed the longer arm.  No change in braking power or other 
functionality but now plenty of clearance above the rack strut.  

These generic Shimano brakes retail for less than $30 so a cheap & easy fix 
if you run into the same conflict.  Tektro has similar brakes.  As it turns 
out there's a lot of brake arm lengths out there to choose from.  My wife's 
Atlantis has TRP mini-Vs that work with standard pull road levers (the 
Tiagras that came on the bike) and the cable is lower than the fork crown 
hole.  

dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

We are REALLY excited to get this going! A great place, activity, and
people!

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:14 PM, dougP  wrote:

> I wouldn't miss this one for anything, especially after hearing about what
> a great time you guys had at the last event & seeing the photos.  Probably
> go up early or / and stay over to do some other stuff in the area.  Can't
> wait.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>
>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>
>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>
>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>
>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>> decent sized group there.
>>
>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
>> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
>> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
>> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
>> a way to do it as well.
>>
>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
>> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>
>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>
>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>
>>
>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
>> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
>> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
>> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
>> the cost per person will go up accordingly.
>>
>> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
>> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at
>> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
>> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>>
>> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and
>> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a
>> labour of love sort of thing.
>>
>> So who's inn???
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] I totally missed out on SimWorks. New Japanese style house?

[Philip Williamson]

I chatted with one of the Sims, and grabbed a catalog. Super cool.

Philip
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[dougP]

I wouldn't miss this one for anything, especially after hearing about what 
a great time you guys had at the last event & seeing the photos.  Probably 
go up early or / and stay over to do some other stuff in the area.  Can't 
wait.

dougP

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic 
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We 
> talked about it, but nothing came of it. 
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to 
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal 
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An 
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have 
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate 
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most 
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are 
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back 
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do 
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has 
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some 
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using 
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food 
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess 
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very 
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, 
> the cost per person will go up accordingly. 
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no 
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at 
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail 
> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
> labour of love sort of thing. 
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that
everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything
really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic
weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We
talked about it, but nothing came of it.

Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip
to the West
Point Inn , and had a phenomenal time there
celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An absolute blast.  We
can't recreate those moments, but we want to have another opportunity back
at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate life, life on a bicycle,
the historical context, in one of the most beautiful storied areas I can
imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together
in June!

We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to pack
in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay Area
that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from out of
the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!

The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can
get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday
night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at
most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!)
place. I/we hope many of you can come.

For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! We'll
figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. Won't
even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a decent
sized group there.

Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
a way to do it as well.

Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.

Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170

Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/


Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
the cost per person will go up accordingly.

Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no on-site
parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at the
Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
. I think parking is $8/day there.

The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and
forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a
labour of love sort of thing.

So who's inn???



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Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

Pre-riding is highly encouraged! I picked up three goatheads this weekend,
but was randomly screwing around on some little trails I found. I had
Stan's in tubes, so they sealed right up when I pulled them out. If you
know when you're coming down, and it extends to the evening or Sat
afternoon, you could go over to the BikeBBQ  and
have a tube-filling party. Pretty easy to pull the core out and fill with
Stan's if you know what to do. If that doesn't work out and you can't get
the Slime tubes dialed in, bringing extra tubes (maybe three between you?)
is your next best bet.

50km route is going to be great: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/12362494 A
great sampler of what we flat-landers have to offer!

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Kathy Carroll 
wrote:

> That won't happen. Now back to Strada Rossa.  My plan is to ride my
> cheviot with hetres. So I ideally need to put slime in my tubes, right?
> And I'm guessing for someone that doesn't know what they are doing, that i
> should have lbs do that for me. I think Chuck can buy tubes for 700 with
> slime in it. But the tubes with slime in it for 650b seem to be larger than
> what i need for hetres.  Not easy to take care of these things in
> Wrightwood so i need to handle over the next couple days while we need to
> be off the hill quite a bit.
>
> And then I'm really hoping to ride the route one day next week so I know
> what I'm in for. And now that chuck knows about muffin top bakery,  i think
> it will be easy to get him to go with me.
>
> (I'm doing this on my phone. Sure hope it posts)
>

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Kathy Carroll]

That won't happen. Now back to Strada Rossa.  My plan is to ride my cheviot
with hetres. So I ideally need to put slime in my tubes, right?   And I'm
guessing for someone that doesn't know what they are doing, that i should
have lbs do that for me. I think Chuck can buy tubes for 700 with slime in
it. But the tubes with slime in it for 650b seem to be larger than what i
need for hetres.  Not easy to take care of these things in Wrightwood so i
need to handle over the next couple days while we need to be off the hill
quite a bit.

And then I'm really hoping to ride the route one day next week so I know
what I'm in for. And now that chuck knows about muffin top bakery,  i think
it will be easy to get him to go with me.

(I'm doing this on my phone. Sure hope it posts)
On Mar 1, 2016 8:11 PM, "Dave C"  wrote:

> Haha. That was funny. I let my dad use my 29er for the rest of the ride
> after I found them, and I think he really liked it. Boy, there was a lot of
> new rock debris!
>
> Just wait until I take them on their first singletrack ride with an
> exposed drop-off on one side. They will love that!
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:11 AM UTC-8, KC wrote:
>>
>> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an
>> adventure & a great day.
>>
>> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I
>> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at
>> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told
>> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for
>> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We
>> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might
>> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes
>> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had
>> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when
>> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the
>> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of
>> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised
>> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to
>> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was
>> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.
>>
>> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the
>> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first
>> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like
>> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a
>> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here
>> to figure that one out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>>
>>> Kathy:
>>>
>>> Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of
>>> unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren &
>>> I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly
>>> quickly.
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:

 I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him
 to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be
 a major Wrightwood contingency.
 I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a
 really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.

 Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her
 commitment to ride if I did?


 On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:

>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>
> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Parts bin clean out -lots of good Riv stuff

[Chad]

Deore V-brakes, Tallux stem, and Albatross cockpit are sold.  Everything 
else is still available and I'm open to reasonable offers.

On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 10:02:11 PM UTC-7, Chad wrote:
>
> A couple more additions:
>
> Sackville Saddlesack Large -brand new and never used -$210 + shipping
>
> Complete Albatross cockpit: 54cm wide Nitto Albatross chromoly bars, 
> Shimano silver MTB levers, Nitro Tallux 10cm 25.4 stem, Meisha cork grips 
> and yellow tape with Amber shellac.  $95 + shipping.  Also have the 9-spd 
> bar ends listed above for use with this setup.
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Re: [RBW] New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[Bill Lindsay]

Don't get me wrong, I was not saying that *I *think you need more than a 
40x12.  I was saying that a lot of people will tell you that you do.  I 
think 40x12 is plenty, unless you have to descend at 40mph and insist on 
having gearing that allows you to keep up with that.  

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>
> My Betty has RBW's recommended 26/40 crankset and I still haven't out 
> pedaled it, much less pedal it on its highest gears on flat ground. Then 
> again I'm still 40 lbs overweight although working on it. I think I have a 
> 12/34 in the back, but maybe it's 11/34. I'll check. 
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Maybe someone can enlighten me? When I floated an Imron color (from 
>> Eric's campy only site) to Mitch Pryor for my new rando bike, he told me it 
>> was no longer available due to the toxicity of the paint. He uses PPG 
>> paint, and I chose my color from their online tool. I was looking for a 
>> deep, metallic maroon-type color. I've only seen photos of the bike but it 
>> looks great. Mitch had it at NAHBS. Back to the point...is Imron still 
>> available. From what I see on the google way back machine, maybe it is, but 
>> with a changed formula? The original seems to have been outlawed in CA in 
>> the '80s. Just curious. But the bike sounds great Ryan, with a really nice 
>> build. But I might agree with Bill that even in a non-hilly area you might 
>> find the 40 tooth big ring a bit small, even for a spinner. Maybe 46/30 or 
>> 44/28? Whatever you choose, a custom mixte sounds really sweet!
>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

Keepin' it in the family!

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Dave C 
wrote:

> Haha. That was funny. I let my dad use my 29er for the rest of the ride
> after I found them, and I think he really liked it. Boy, there was a lot of
> new rock debris!
>
> Just wait until I take them on their first singletrack ride with an
> exposed drop-off on one side. They will love that!
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:11 AM UTC-8, KC wrote:
>
>> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an
>> adventure & a great day.
>>
>> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I
>> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at
>> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told
>> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for
>> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We
>> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might
>> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes
>> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had
>> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when
>> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the
>> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of
>> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised
>> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to
>> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was
>> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.
>>
>> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the
>> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first
>> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like
>> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a
>> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here
>> to figure that one out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>>
>>> Kathy:
>>>
>>> Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of
>>> unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren &
>>> I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly
>>> quickly.
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:

 I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him
 to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be
 a major Wrightwood contingency.
 I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a
 really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.

 Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her
 commitment to ride if I did?


 On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:

>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>
> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Dave C]

Haha. That was funny. I let my dad use my 29er for the rest of the ride 
after I found them, and I think he really liked it. Boy, there was a lot of 
new rock debris!

Just wait until I take them on their first singletrack ride with an exposed 
drop-off on one side. They will love that!

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:11 AM UTC-8, KC wrote:
>
> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an 
> adventure & a great day.  
>
> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I 
> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at 
> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told 
> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for 
> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We 
> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might 
> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes 
> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had 
> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when 
> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the 
> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of 
> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised 
> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to 
> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was 
> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.  
>
> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the 
> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first 
> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like 
> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a 
> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here 
> to figure that one out.  
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
>> Kathy:
>>
>> Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of 
>> unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren & 
>> I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly 
>> quickly.  
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him 
>>> to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be 
>>> a major Wrightwood contingency.  
>>> I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a 
>>> really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.  
>>>
>>> Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her 
>>> commitment to ride if I did?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>

 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html

 A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!

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 Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

 "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





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[RBW] Re: derailleur hanger

[blakcloud]

I wouldn't hesitate to bend that back as long as you use the right tool.

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[René Sterental]

Thanks Dennis!

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Dennis Hogan  wrote:

> Just "WOW!"
> Dennis in PDX
>
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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[Dennis Hogan]

Just "WOW!"
Dennis in PDX

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 6:11:41 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>
> Ha ha ha ha! That's right!
>
> When I had the new low trail fork made, it had to be painted. I debated 
> for months on what color to have it repainted, but finally realized that 
> there just was no better color for the Atlantis than its own original 
> color. Wanting me to somehow still personalize it, Rick, RBW's local 
> painter suggested the panels and I loved the idea. I got my personalized 
> look while keeping the original color. 
>
> Here are some new photos taken today on my evening commute showing the 
> loaded bike: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/25425670565/in/album-72157625129486363/
>  
> - click to the right.
>
> René 
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Bill Lindsay  
> wrote:
>
>> The only Atlantis that has downtube white panels is the one that you pay 
>> to get custom painted that way.  Rene did that on his own dime long after 
>> he acquired it.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:55:08 PM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Gorgeous!
>>> But what edition of Atlantis is this that has the white (collegiate?) 
>>> tubes under the decals? Never seen that before.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[René Sterental]

Awesome! Wish I could go, but I'm going to Moscow for work. Next year!

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Water crossings!
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:59:51 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>>
>> Kathy:
>>
>> Surprises turn a ride into an adventure.  Snow or ice is unlikely on RSR,
>> and David will make sure the trails are carefully groomed to remove any
>> large blockages.  So maybe a more tame adventure.  OTOH, ya never know.
>> Sounds like you're hooked on this quirky little corner of the biking
>> world.  See you in Redlands.
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:03 AM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an
>>> adventure & a great day.
>>>
>>> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I
>>> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at
>>> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told
>>> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for
>>> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We
>>> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might
>>> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes
>>> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had
>>> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when
>>> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the
>>> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of
>>> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised
>>> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to
>>> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was
>>> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.
>>>
>>> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the
>>> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first
>>> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like
>>> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a
>>> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here
>>> to figure that one out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>>>
 Kathy:

 Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of
 unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren &
 I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly
 quickly.

 doug

 On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
>
> I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him
> to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be
> a major Wrightwood contingency.
> I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a
> really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.
>
> Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her
> commitment to ride if I did?
>
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>>
>> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[René Sterental]

This last set are the Compass bars. I tried the GB before but they weren't
as comfortable. Also were narrower. I've also tried the Nitto version,
which was worse in terms of comfort.

I'm using the 44 on the Homer now, the actual Compass version that Jan
exults, and I have to say I completel agree with him. Maybe I just nailed
the setup with the 5 cm stem, which is the first time I use it. Whatever it
is, I nailed the height and the extension on the first try and am blown
away by how comfortable they are. Flats, bends, behind the levers, on the
levers.

Highly recommend them.

René

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Rene,
>
> How did the compass rando bars feel? Are they Compass or GB? I see you
> stated both in your pics.
>
> Tops? Comfy even though they have that up angle?
> Ramps? As great as Compass says?
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Re: [RBW] New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[René Sterental]

My Betty has RBW's recommended 26/40 crankset and I still haven't out
pedaled it, much less pedal it on its highest gears on flat ground. Then
again I'm still 40 lbs overweight although working on it. I think I have a
12/34 in the back, but maybe it's 11/34. I'll check.

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Maybe someone can enlighten me? When I floated an Imron color (from Eric's
> campy only site) to Mitch Pryor for my new rando bike, he told me it was no
> longer available due to the toxicity of the paint. He uses PPG paint, and I
> chose my color from their online tool. I was looking for a deep, metallic
> maroon-type color. I've only seen photos of the bike but it looks great.
> Mitch had it at NAHBS. Back to the point...is Imron still available. From
> what I see on the google way back machine, maybe it is, but with a changed
> formula? The original seems to have been outlawed in CA in the '80s. Just
> curious. But the bike sounds great Ryan, with a really nice build. But I
> might agree with Bill that even in a non-hilly area you might find the 40
> tooth big ring a bit small, even for a spinner. Maybe 46/30 or 44/28?
> Whatever you choose, a custom mixte sounds really sweet!
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[RBW] Re: I totally missed out on SimWorks. New Japanese style house?

[Justin August]

Rick Hunter is the importer I believe. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[René Sterental]

I thought about it, but I think it would look very crowded. I don't really
need to brake from the flats, as ,y hands typically go on the bends and I
can easily reach the levers with my ring and pinky fingers with a small
shift. The new inverted shape and stem extension make it even easier than
before, as I only extend my reach when pedaling hard when I don't need to
brake. For more maneuvering or situations when I may need to brake, my
hands naturally go a bit rearward of the bends where they reach the levers
effortlessly. Since that position is still ahead of the steering axis, the
handling is not affected negatively like it was a bit more before this
change.

I did think about putting Diacompe Guidonnet levers and ordered a set, but
will hold off from doing that change at this time. It just rides so well as
it is now... Maybe when it's time to retape the bars, or I get fidgety
about it... ;-)

On Monday, February 29, 2016, BSWP  wrote:

> Rene, have you ever used interrupter levers? To my eye, your cockpit would
> perfection if you could also brake while up on the flats. I might try
> something similar on the QuickBeam, though with a shorter extension. Thanks
> for sharing the update.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[WETH]

Gorgeous! Absolutely stunning!

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[René Sterental]

Ha ha ha ha! That's right!

When I had the new low trail fork made, it had to be painted. I debated for
months on what color to have it repainted, but finally realized that there
just was no better color for the Atlantis than its own original color.
Wanting me to somehow still personalize it, Rick, RBW's local painter
suggested the panels and I loved the idea. I got my personalized look while
keeping the original color.

Here are some new photos taken today on my evening commute showing the
loaded bike:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/25425670565/in/album-72157625129486363/
- click to the right.

René

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The only Atlantis that has downtube white panels is the one that you pay
> to get custom painted that way.  Rene did that on his own dime long after
> he acquired it.
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:55:08 PM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Gorgeous!
>> But what edition of Atlantis is this that has the white (collegiate?)
>> tubes under the decals? Never seen that before.
>>
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[RBW] Re: derailleur hanger

[Keith Muller]

That will easily straighten without an issue.  Please use a derailleur 
alignment gauge and do it correctly.  Crescent wrenches are a bad choice for 
that job.  A steel hanger can bend a good long way and still be straightened.  
I wouldn't be one bit nervous about straightening yours. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: derailleur hanger

[cyclotourist]

Yeah, that hangar is way off. This is usually  a pretty easy and rewarding
DIY job. The one-off tool is pricey, but does the job as advertised.
http://www.parktool.com/product/derailleur-hanger-alignment-gauge-dag-2-2


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 1:13 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Absolutely, positively, definitely straighten it.  No hesitation.  If, in
> fact, it has been bent so badly that it is starting to weaken, that will be
> apparent in the straightening process (it will begin to crack or obviously
> soften), but my bet is 99 to 1 for success.  Don't fall on it again, but if
> you do fall on it again, straighten it again.
>
> A big Crescent wrench is a useful down and dirty tool for straightening,
> but I'd hope that your shop will have a proper alignment tool, and that
> they will also eyeball the slot the axle slides into, to make sure the
> faces of the slot are still parallel.  If it has opened up a little, then a
> block of wood for padding, and a few taps with a hammer are the answer.
>
> Happy trails,
>
> Peter
>
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[RBW] Re: I totally missed out on SimWorks. New Japanese style house?

[Irving]

I have seen their stems at Box Dog Bikes and Fresh Air Cycles in SF and I 
believe King Kog in Oakland carries some stuff as well. Really neat stuff, 
a bit heavy, but a nice alternative for builds that require something 
besides the silvery/classic Nitto touch.

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 4:02:49 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple of bikes on the NAHBS flickr rolls had parts with a sort of 
> cartoon-art looking logo that said "SimWorks".  A "SimWorks by Nitto" 
> sticker on a Hunter Enduro All-Road bike caught my eye in particular, and 
> so I asked the Googler about it.  
>
> The Googler tells me that SimWorks is a sort of design/branding alliance 
> between Nitto and Honjo.  There are some pretty cool products.  I really 
> like this threadless road stem with a built in reconfigurable front brake 
> cable stop:
>
> http://sim-works.com/en/nitto/dirty-rhonda-stem
>
> There's also a pretty sweet looking front rack.  Too bad it's sold out:
>
> http://sim-works.com/en/nitto/potluck-rack
>
> They have a built-in webstore, so it looks like we could buy stuff from 
> here.  Anyway, it's entertaining and I thought I would share.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Garage sale! Wheels, Tires, Fork, Pedals, Derailleurs, Bike Bag, Complete MTB...

[Jeremy Till]

Another bump. The Cross-Check fork and grey plastic ATAC's are sold, 
everything else is still available.  Make me an offer.  

-27" (630mm) fixed gear rear wheel, $45. Sun CR-18 rim, Origin-8 branded 
Formula sealed bearing, double sided fixed gear hub, Wheelsmith 14g 
spokes.  Currently spaced at 126mm but can be spaced up or down by adding 
or removing spacers on both sides; plenty of axle length to even go up to 
130mm.  Handbuilt by me, not a whole lot of miles ridden before it was put 
in storage, I recently trued it and checked the tension.  Bearings spin 
smoothly.

-26" (559mm) rim brake front wheel, $50. Mavic XM 317 rim laced to Shimano 
LX hub with DT 14g spokes. Handbuilt by QBP's wheel shop, formerly 
"Handspun," now "Quality Wheels."  Used by my wife on the front wheel of 
her commuter for 2.5 years until I built her a dyno wheel this past fall. 
Runs true and spins well. 

-Front and rear first gen Shimano Deore "Deerhead" derailleurs (FD- and 
RD-M700), $40. Perfect functionally, OK cosmetically.  Came on an old 
Takara touring bike I converted to fixed gear.  Cool old derailleurs, I 
always thought I'd find a use for them, but honestly all of my derailleur 
bikes are indexed these days.

-3 pairs of Time ATAC pedals, $20 each or $50 takes all of them.  All of my 
old clipless pedals, I now ride flats exclusively. Two pairs of the "Alium" 
model including one silver "HP" pair, and one pair of circa 2006 ATAC XE's. 
 All are functional, and the two older pairs still spin beautifully, with 
no play in the springs, although the RH black Alium is missing the dust 
cap. Ironically, the newer XE's have a little bit of bearing play and play 
in the springs.  
 
-Look Bike Bag $40.  Large main pocket for frame/fork and side wheel 
pockets with enough room for two wheelsets.  I bought this in Luxembourg 
during a trip to Europe so I could take my bike on the French TGV trains. 
 I used it hard for a month and then for a couple of subsequent trips 
involving flying with my bike, but since then It's mainly been used for 
storing various frames, wheels and tires.  It does have some tears and 
holes in fabric and cardboard stiffener on the bottom, but with some 
judicious patching it would be a great and cool way to transport your bike. 
 (Sorry folks, I can't ship this one). 

-1 pair WTB "Allterrainasaurus" 700x40mm tires, $30.  Little or no use, 
always stored inside, good shape, wire bead. These have a knobby tread 
intended for mixed surfaces, a precursor to the current "gravel" tires 
currently in vogue.  These used to be my go-to summer tire on my touring 
bike; they have good volume and roll well on pavement while providing 
confidence off-road.  Back then we called it "mixed-terrain" riding.  

-1 Kenda "Slant Six" 29x2" wire bead tire, $10. XC tread with somewhat 
minimal knobs; this is a 30TPI OEM spec tire so it's on the heavy side. 
 Used for less than a year on the front of my MTB before I swapped to 
something lighter and with more aggressive tread.  Plenty of life left.  

Those are the parts.  The bike pictured is a practically NOS 2008 Jamis 
Dakota Sport aluminum hardtail MTB, 17", which we bought for my wife last 
summer.  She only rode it a couple of times on short MTB rides, and 
recently she bought a Clem Smith Jr. from Rivendell that she can ride 
off-road with, so this one is going.  9spd Deore/XT drivetrain, Shimano 
hydro disc brakes, RS Tora fork.  I'd do $400 for an iBOB.

On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 5:39:09 PM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Bump, lower prices on most everything, feel free to make me an offer. Come 
> pick up some cool stuff while you're in town for NAHBS!
>
> -27" (630mm) fixed gear rear wheel, $45. Sun CR-18 rim, Origin-8 branded 
> Formula sealed bearing, double sided fixed gear hub, Wheelsmith 14g 
> spokes.  Currently spaced at 126mm but can be spaced up or down by adding 
> or removing spacers on both sides; plenty of axle length to even go up to 
> 130mm.  Handbuilt by me, not a whole lot of miles ridden before it was put 
> in storage, I recently trued it and checked the tension.  Bearings spin 
> smoothly.
>
> -26" (559mm) rim brake front wheel, $50. Mavic XM 317 rim laced to Shimano 
> LX hub with DT 14g spokes. Handbuilt by QBP's wheel shop, formerly 
> "Handspun," now "Quality Wheels."  Used by my wife on the front wheel of 
> her commuter for 2.5 years until I built her a dyno wheel this past fall. 
> Runs true and spins well. 
>
> -Front and rear first gen Shimano Deore "Deerhead" derailleurs (FD- and 
> RD-M700), $40. Perfect functionally, OK cosmetically.  Came on an old 
> Takara touring bike I converted to fixed gear.  Cool old derailleurs, I 
> always thought I'd find a use for them, but honestly all of my derailleur 
> bikes are indexed these days.
>
> -4 pairs of Time ATAC pedals, $20 each or $70 takes all of them.  All of 
> my old clipless pedals, I now ride flats exclusively. One pair of the old 
> (original?) grey plastic ATAC's 

[RBW] I totally missed out on SimWorks. New Japanese style house?

[Bill Lindsay]

A couple of bikes on the NAHBS flickr rolls had parts with a sort of 
cartoon-art looking logo that said "SimWorks".  A "SimWorks by Nitto" 
sticker on a Hunter Enduro All-Road bike caught my eye in particular, and 
so I asked the Googler about it.  

The Googler tells me that SimWorks is a sort of design/branding alliance 
between Nitto and Honjo.  There are some pretty cool products.  I really 
like this threadless road stem with a built in reconfigurable front brake 
cable stop:

http://sim-works.com/en/nitto/dirty-rhonda-stem

There's also a pretty sweet looking front rack.  Too bad it's sold out:

http://sim-works.com/en/nitto/potluck-rack

They have a built-in webstore, so it looks like we could buy stuff from 
here.  Anyway, it's entertaining and I thought I would share.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] WTB: Sackville Hub Area Bags

[Keith Muller]

I'm looking to buy are pair of Sackville Hub Area Bags.  Please let me know 
if you have anything via PM.

Thanks,

Keith

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[RBW] Re: New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Maybe someone can enlighten me? When I floated an Imron color (from Eric's 
campy only site) to Mitch Pryor for my new rando bike, he told me it was no 
longer available due to the toxicity of the paint. He uses PPG paint, and I 
chose my color from their online tool. I was looking for a deep, metallic 
maroon-type color. I've only seen photos of the bike but it looks great. Mitch 
had it at NAHBS. Back to the point...is Imron still available. From what I see 
on the google way back machine, maybe it is, but with a changed formula? The 
original seems to have been outlawed in CA in the '80s. Just curious. But the 
bike sounds great Ryan, with a really nice build. But I might agree with Bill 
that even in a non-hilly area you might find the 40 tooth big ring a bit small, 
even for a spinner. Maybe 46/30 or 44/28? Whatever you choose, a custom mixte 
sounds really sweet!

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[RBW] Reverse brake levers - pros, cons?

[Lungimsam]

What's your experience?

Thinking if I ever try an upright bar, would these be better than strapping 
on mountain levers, just for the cleaner look.

But I like bar ends. Not sure if bar ends can be used with these levers.

Also wondering if the lever squeeze is easy at the extreme end of the 
handle bar, since the lever joins the pod there.

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[Bill Lindsay]

The only Atlantis that has downtube white panels is the one that you pay to 
get custom painted that way.  Rene did that on his own dime long after he 
acquired it.  

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:55:08 PM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Gorgeous!
> But what edition of Atlantis is this that has the white (collegiate?) 
> tubes under the decals? Never seen that before.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike quiver update focusing on my A. Homer Hilsen

[Lungimsam]

Rene,

How did the compass rando bars feel? Are they Compass or GB? I see you 
stated both in your pics.

Tops? Comfy even though they have that up angle?
Ramps? As great as Compass says? 

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

Water crossings!







On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 2:59:51 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
> Kathy:
>
> Surprises turn a ride into an adventure.  Snow or ice is unlikely on RSR, 
> and David will make sure the trails are carefully groomed to remove any 
> large blockages.  So maybe a more tame adventure.  OTOH, ya never know.  
> Sounds like you're hooked on this quirky little corner of the biking 
> world.  See you in Redlands.
>
> doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:03 AM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an 
>> adventure & a great day.  
>>
>> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I 
>> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at 
>> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told 
>> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for 
>> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We 
>> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might 
>> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes 
>> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had 
>> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when 
>> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the 
>> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of 
>> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised 
>> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to 
>> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was 
>> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.  
>>
>> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the 
>> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first 
>> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like 
>> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a 
>> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here 
>> to figure that one out.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>>
>>> Kathy:
>>>
>>> Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of 
>>> unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren & 
>>> I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly 
>>> quickly.  
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:

 I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him 
 to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be 
 a major Wrightwood contingency.  
 I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a 
 really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.  

 Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her 
 commitment to ride if I did?


 On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:

>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>
> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Doug Peterson]

Kathy:

Surprises turn a ride into an adventure.  Snow or ice is unlikely on RSR, 
and David will make sure the trails are carefully groomed to remove any 
large blockages.  So maybe a more tame adventure.  OTOH, ya never know.  
Sounds like you're hooked on this quirky little corner of the biking 
world.  See you in Redlands.

doug

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:03 AM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an 
> adventure & a great day.  
>
> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I 
> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at 
> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told 
> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for 
> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We 
> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might 
> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes 
> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had 
> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when 
> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the 
> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of 
> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised 
> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to 
> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was 
> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.  
>
> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the 
> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first 
> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like 
> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a 
> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here 
> to figure that one out.  
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
>> Kathy:
>>
>> Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of 
>> unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren & 
>> I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly 
>> quickly.  
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him 
>>> to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be 
>>> a major Wrightwood contingency.  
>>> I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a 
>>> really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.  
>>>
>>> Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her 
>>> commitment to ride if I did?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>

 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html

 A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!

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 Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

 "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[Lungimsam]

Gorgeous!
But what edition of Atlantis is this that has the white (collegiate?) tubes 
under the decals? Never seen that before.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[René Sterental]

Thanks Ryan!

On the Atlantis I'm actually using a Brooks leather mudflap because I had
it and like it in brown. On the Hunqapillar, I actually had the Berthoud in
black; it's even thicker and larger than the Brooks. Fit well with the 60mm
Berthoud fenders I had on it, but I think it's overkill. The Brooks are
actually very nice and a bit lighter. They also fit better on 50mm and
under fenders. Haven't tried them on Honjos, though, I wonder if they're
still too heavy for the lighter aluminum fenders. I saw the Honjo mudguards
at NAHBS, but haven't been able to find them; they're smaller and much
lighter, although only come in black and not real leather.

René

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[RBW] Re: Need advice on a potential Quickbeam Modification

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Stuff:  
http://www.cyclingabout.com/carbon-belt-drive-everything-you-ever-need-to-know/

which in turn takes us to a shop which reportedly does the conversion work 
and which is apparently not far from you:  http://www.cyclemonkey.com/

Peter
(Google is my friend)

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[RBW] Re: derailleur hanger

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Absolutely, positively, definitely straighten it.  No hesitation.  If, in 
fact, it has been bent so badly that it is starting to weaken, that will be 
apparent in the straightening process (it will begin to crack or obviously 
soften), but my bet is 99 to 1 for success.  Don't fall on it again, but if 
you do fall on it again, straighten it again.  

A big Crescent wrench is a useful down and dirty tool for straightening, 
but I'd hope that your shop will have a proper alignment tool, and that 
they will also eyeball the slot the axle slides into, to make sure the 
faces of the slot are still parallel.  If it has opened up a little, then a 
block of wood for padding, and a few taps with a hammer are the answer.   

Happy trails,

Peter  


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[RBW] Need advice on a potential Quickbeam Modification

[Joe Bernard]

You'd need some way to displace the right chainstay for mounting/removing the 
belt, which would be very custom, and likely very expensive. I think you'd be 
better off selling the bike for one with a belt. 

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[RBW] ISO Rear Tektro R559

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Rivendelians,

As the subject line reads I'm looking for one of these for a friends build. 
Hit me up off list if for some strange reason you have one lying around 
lonely and missing its mate.

Cheers,

~Hugh
  Los Angeles, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[Ryan Fleming]

That is one of the nicest Atlanti I've seen. I do like the look of those 
bars, too and the reverse levers look intriguing, I have to sayhmmm. 
Anyway, sounds like it rides as good as it looks!

And the Berthoud fenders are  very classy...Mark R in Winnipegif you 
search the archives, somebody posted a site with a ridiculously low 
price...although for us Canucks..not so much of a bargain. The  Berthoud 
mudflaps are a classy touch tooreally good quality leather as I recall. 
I have them on my A/R. I have another set for the my Riv road...they were 
Christmas gifts. Rene, it looks like you are using the Berthoud mudflaps as 
well

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 10:23:22 AM UTC-6, René wrote:
>
> Thank you all for the compliments! 
>
> Third ride this morning on the new setup, the full 15.5 miles to work 
> commute. I like the setup more and more, and may actually not even try 
> putting the dropbars yet. The reversed bar does make it ergonomically more 
> comfortable, and it was already comfortable before. Like Grant says, 3% 
> ergonomic improvement by reversing the bars! 
>
> I don't know if it's the extra 1cm stem or the purely front load, but now, 
> when I have my hands on the ends of the bar when riding upright, they are 
> about level or just slightly behind the steerer axis and the control is 
> significantly improved. Before, especially when turning at speed, it would 
> feel a bit awkward, but now if feels smooth and controlled.
>
> Mark, I do have a custom low trail fork. You can search the list for my 
> long posts on the story. :-)
>
> I'll post more photos of the loaded bike on this evening's commute.
>
> René 
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Mark Reimer  > wrote:
>
>> Beauty!! What a fantastic looking Atlantis...
>>
>> From my personal experience, I noticed an improvement in handling with 
>> the campee rack mounted on the lower eyelettes behind the axle. I haven't 
>> been able to actually use them for a while though, for the same reasons as 
>> you. There just isn't room with a fender. But I did have room with the 
>> Barlow Pass and VO 50mm fenders. It's always puzzled me that the campee 
>> doesn't have a fender mount. I've been considering handing the rack to a 
>> friend to braze one on, but then I'd have the issue of replating it or 
>> something. Gets expensive quickly. 
>>
>> Also those Berthoud fenders look SO good. My VO fenders are getting 
>> pretty beat and I've considered adding new ones. What size are they? I see 
>> they come up to 60mm, which makes me wonder if you could squeeze Schwalbe 
>> super moto's under them. 
>>
>> I'm late to the party...do you have a custom fork here? 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:58:22 AM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Rene,
>>>
>>> Nice build! I've used inverse brake levers on a couple of bikes now and 
>>> really liked them since I still can reach them with my pinkies if needed. I 
>>> plan to use a pair with mustache bars in the near future, just need time 
>>> and maybe a new stem to make the conversion.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 5:53:55 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 My Atlantis just got it's latest makeover that to me, makes it finally 
 perfect! Well, I may still try to put the Compass Randonneur bars with a 
 5cm stem on to see what it feels like (marvelous on the Homer), but aside 
 from that, it's now the way I always dreamt it.

 I installed the Berthoud 50mm fenders but used Honjo stays because I 
 lost the Berthoud stays. The honjo stays are definitely more elegant, but 
 take a bit more room. Gave the fenders maximum clearance so I can fit the 
 new Soma 42mm SL tires (made by Panaracer) which I'm hoping to compare 
 with 
 the wonderful 38mm Barlow Pass. 

 After last week's dreadful shimmy experience with the rear load that 
 was pushed behind the rear axle by the rack, I decided to go for the front 
 and rear Nitto Campee racks that have the removable low riders. I'd always 
 loved their look, so finally went for it. I installed them yesterday 
 (Sunday) and I was marveled at how well they make the bike look. So 
 elegant! I installed the front lowriders only (for now) and set it up with 
 my old Acorn tan Rando bag plus a pair of Brooks Norfolk panniers where my 
 laptop fits perfectly inside its thick padded sleeve.

 Last, for the final ergonomic improvement, I swapped my 11cm stem for a 
 12cm and reversed the Compass Elysees handlebars. The fit is now much 
 better, I guess that now I'm naturally extending a bit more as I'm riding 
 faster, and it seems more comfortable and efficient. I'm feeling very 
 tempted to give the Compass Randonneur bars a chance on the Atlantis, as I 
 love them on the Homer, but on the other hand, I love how the Elysees bar 
 look and personalize it, so we'll see. I retaped the bars with 

[RBW] Geeky stuff I find quite helpful - my bike now has a rear radar!

[Ron Mc]

Totally geek and cool

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[RBW] Re: Ditched the dirt drops for Alba's. Not sure yet...

[Garth]

  You could also set up the Albas without the grip and use bar end brake 
lever and tape the bars with something padded like cork tape . Tape all the 
way up and just over the curve. You can tell how far to go as there is a 
point on the curve where it becomes unusable as it goes down and in. This 
way you have lots more options including climbing on the curve.  Climbing 
is often @ 10-11 o'clock high on the curve. 

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[RBW] Re: Geeky stuff I find quite helpful - my bike now has a rear radar!

[jeffrey kane]

Ha! I'll tell you something about that unit. It has an LED display acting 
as a taillight (I guess?) that responds with different blinking patterns 
when it "sees" something. I was out riding this past weekend and ended up 
on a guys wheel for a while wondering what the hell the blinking patterns 
were trying to tell me --- I tested drafting close, farther back, off to 
the side ... all sorts of combos until I was sure that whatever his rear 
light was doing t was doing it in conjunction with me! Still, I couldn't 
figure out why -- was it telling me I was more aero in one position than 
another -- that I was getting a better draft? Finally, I gave up and pulled 
along side him to ask. He laughed and explained the radar thing (a guy with 
4 kids wanting whatever extra safety edge he could find)  ... but he didn't 
know that the display augmented with visual interference. And I'm still 
wondering, what's the point? 

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 12:01:02 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am a geek, and love technology applied to my hobbies. Yes, there is a 
> place for simplicity but so far it's not near me. I love my Apple Watch and 
> iPhone 6 Plus, but after trying to use them as cycling computers with a 
> very poor overall experience, I went back to my Garmin Edge 1000. I used 
> Polar technology a decade and a half ago, but when Garmin entered the 
> cycling market, it provided a better user experience for me, so I switched. 
> I'm still upset that Garmin doesn't share data with Apple Health, but it's 
> not enough to make me switch to the poorer user experience I had with 
> Cyclemeter even factoring the Apple Watch app.
>
> It's not that I am obsessed with tracking all these numbers, I just like 
> watching the data when I ride, and being able to go back and compare 
> progress every now and then, see my tracks on the maps, etc. 
>
> A couple of weeks ago I was at Palo Alto Bicycles looking for a helmet 
> light, and I "discovered" a new Garmin gadget called Varia (
> https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/into-sports/cycling/varia-rearview-radar/prod518151.html).
>  
> For some reason, I had never seen it, heard of it and was curious to see 
> what it was. When I discovered it was a rear-looking radar to let you know 
> when cars were approaching from the back, I was intrigued and did a bit of 
> research online and then ordered one.
>
> I installed it on Sunday, and have ridden with it yesterday and today. I 
> think it's very helpful and useful, particularly, when you are riding on 
> roads with low traffic volume. If there are a lot of cars, then there is no 
> purpose to it, but its use is very good when you are riding on low traffic 
> roads as it lights up and tells you when and how a car is approaching from 
> the back. My commute is mostly on such roads and trails, and now I don't 
> have to keep turning my head back when approaching sections when I have to 
> take the lane just to see if there is someone behind me. Particularly 
> useful with all these electric vehicles in California that don't make a 
> sound when they approach you.
>
> It connects to the Garmin Edge unit, so I don't need the version with the 
> separate display unit. With the front load configuration I have it attached 
> to the seat post with the mount provided, but for the Homer I'll devise a 
> way to attach it to the saddlebag. It provides an additional dynamic 
> tailight that lights dynamically as the cars approach you.
>
> Since I'll confess to the sin of riding while listening to music on my 
> headphones, the benefit is significantly higher for me as I don't always 
> hear the cars when they are far behind me. The angle of coverage is pretty 
> wide, so on multi-lane roads or when riding on a trail next to a road, it 
> will still light up when cars are behind you even if they are one or two 
> lanes away. It still makes you aware. On my evening commute yesterday, I 
> used it to enhance my timing to switch lanes in traffic so I could take a 
> left turn. Worked very well!
>
> The only hassle is that you have to charge it, and I still haven't tried 
> to see how long will the battery truly last. Although at NAHBS I saw these 
> chargers you can piggy-back on the SON hub so you can charge your devices 
> as you ride... Will be doing some research on those as well, although 
> they'd only be truly practical if I ever go on a tour.
>
> Viva the geek!
>
> René 
>

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I can confirm there will be no ice patches on the RSR route.

Does look like some rain next week, which will tamp things back down 
perfectly!!!

Awesome trail out there, Kathy! I'm finding myself riding more and more 
dirt almost exclusively. 


On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:54:11 AM UTC-8, KC wrote:
>
> Well, I may just be in for some surprises.  But I'm sure it will be an 
> adventure & a great day.  
>
> A little off-topic, but I think appropriate re "surprises" - Chuck and I 
> went on our first ride on a Wrightwood fire road.  We parked our car at 
> Grassy Hollow and arranged for Dave to pick us up at Jackson Lake. He told 
> us exactly how to follow the roads and guessed it would be an hour ride for 
> us.  And we told him to send help if we didn't show up eventually.  We 
> really had no idea where we were going and at one point thought we might 
> have taken the wrong turn, but we didn't.  It did take us about 45 minutes 
> extra, but I think we had good excuses.  After all our warm weather, I had 
> assured Chuck the roads had to be clear.  So we were pretty surprised when 
> we hit our first ice patch (and remember, we didn't know if we were on the 
> right trail - we were though).  The ice patch in the photo was the first of 
> about 15, most very slippery and unrideable.  But we were really surprised 
> to find the tree down on the trail.  That was so much fun I can't wait to 
> do it again.  I'm sure the scenery was beautiful all around me, but I was 
> pretty busy avoiding all the rocks on the trail.  
>
> My Riv-riding kids never explained to me what a total difference the 
> "right" bike can make.  I'm about 2 weeks shy of my Cheviot first 
> anniversary and that purchase made me realize that I actually might like 
> riding on the dirt trails in Wrightwood and that it was worth buying a 
> mountain bike to test that out.  Only took me 23 1/2 years of living here 
> to figure that one out.  
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:25:15 PM UTC-8, Doug Peterson wrote:
>
>> Kathy:
>>
>> Sorry but this isn't Melanie's sort of ride.  She's a bit leery of 
>> unpaved roads.  We'll have a good group of 50k riders anyway.  Jim Warren & 
>> I have never set any speed records but we can polish of a pint fairly 
>> quickly.  
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 1:51:37 PM UTC-8, kathys...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just registered Chuck and myself for the 50K (next year I'll get him 
>>> to do the 100K).  Dave and Steph are registered for the 100K so it will be 
>>> a major Wrightwood contingency.  
>>> I'm really excited for my first official "ride".  And it will be a 
>>> really special day as the 2 guys share the 19th as their birthday.  
>>>
>>> Doug - please tell Melanie I registered.  Does the 50K count for her 
>>> commitment to ride if I did?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>>>

 http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html

 A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!

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Re: [RBW] Geeky stuff I find quite helpful - my bike now has a rear radar!

[Eric Norris]

Let us know how it works. As I said, I love tech—maybe I can be convinced.

Have you seen the product that puts a rear-facing video cam on your bike? I 
suppose it helps identify the car that struck you from behind—great gift for 
your heirs.

--Eric N
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www.CampyOnly.com
Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
@Campyonlyguy


> On Mar 1, 2016, at 10:24 AM, René Sterental  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> You are absolutely correct regarding cycling and wearing headphones. I do 
> hear the cars coming, but usually when they are close. And I agree that trail 
> users including runners and walkers who are wearing headphones and unaware of 
> their surroundings are a problem.
> 
> Still, I consider this as a supplementary piece of information that just 
> provides additional enhancement to your awareness and could compensate for an 
> impaired or reduced capacity like wearing headphones.
> 
> I tried riding with a helmet mounted mirror and found it very annoying as it 
> would somehow get in the way of my forward vision and still, I wouldn't see 
> cars or cyclists overtaking me until they were passing me. For some reason, 
> probably because I'm right eye dominant and the mirror is on the left side, I 
> had to close my right eye and force my left eye to focus on the mirror to 
> actually see what was coming. It never became secondary or automatic that as 
> my eyes moved, I would be able to process what was being displayed in the 
> mirror.
> 
> Still find it pretty interesting and I'll post an update sometime in the 
> future to see if the benefits are "real" or it's just the geekiness of it. I 
> wonder if I can get some insight from drivers based on whether the light 
> dynamically increasing it's brightness/# of diodes truly alerts them to the 
> cyclist or they've already seen it. There are some interesting taillights 
> being marketed now that have additional features that are purported to aid 
> drivers in noticing cyclists at night, so just curious to see if that is true 
> or just hype.
> 
> René 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
> Rene:
> 
> Glad this is working for you. I’m an early-adopted-tech-geek through and 
> through, but I must admit this particular product exceeds even my desire to 
> load my bike down with electronics. 
> 
> I get that you ride with “headphones”—I do this myself, but I would never use 
> in-ear phones that block all outside noise *or* listen to music at a volume 
> that blocks out all exterior sounds. You decide how you want to ride, but I 
> think it’s dangerous to be out on the road without one of your most important 
> senses (hearing) working properly. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had 
> to take evasive action on the bike trail as the result of other riders (and 
> runners) who can’t hear anything buy their music.
> 
> Regarding electric vehicles—even here in California, they’re a very small 
> part of the fleet, and in my experience that share drops even farther on 
> low-volume country roads (except for perhaps Marin County, where the local 
> residents drive their Teslas out into the country a bit more than in, say, 
> Kern County). 
> 
> My solution for knowing what’s happening behind me is to use my ears and a 
> helmet-mounted mirror. Cheap, effective, and neither one needs to be 
> recharged.
> 
> --Eric N
> campyonly...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
> @Campyonlyguy
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2016, at 9:00 AM, René Sterental > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am a geek, and love technology applied to my hobbies. Yes, there is a 
>> place for simplicity but so far it's not near me. I love my Apple Watch and 
>> iPhone 6 Plus, but after trying to use them as cycling computers with a very 
>> poor overall experience, I went back to my Garmin Edge 1000. I used Polar 
>> technology a decade and a half ago, but when Garmin entered the cycling 
>> market, it provided a better user experience for me, so I switched. I'm 
>> still upset that Garmin doesn't share data with Apple Health, but it's not 
>> enough to make me switch to the poorer user experience I had with Cyclemeter 
>> even factoring the Apple Watch app.
>> 
>> It's not that I am obsessed with tracking all these numbers, I just like 
>> watching the data when I ride, and being able to go back and compare 
>> progress every now and then, see my tracks on the maps, etc. 
>> 
>> A couple of weeks ago I was at Palo Alto Bicycles looking for a helmet 
>> light, and I "discovered" a new Garmin gadget called Varia 
>> (https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/into-sports/cycling/varia-rearview-radar/prod518151.html
>>  
>> ).
>>  For some reason, I had never seen it, heard 

Re: [RBW] Geeky stuff I find quite helpful - my bike now has a rear radar!

[René Sterental]

Hi Eric,

You are absolutely correct regarding cycling and wearing headphones. I do
hear the cars coming, but usually when they are close. And I agree that
trail users including runners and walkers who are wearing headphones and
unaware of their surroundings are a problem.

Still, I consider this as a supplementary piece of information that just
provides additional enhancement to your awareness and could compensate for
an impaired or reduced capacity like wearing headphones.

I tried riding with a helmet mounted mirror and found it very annoying as
it would somehow get in the way of my forward vision and still, I wouldn't
see cars or cyclists overtaking me until they were passing me. For some
reason, probably because I'm right eye dominant and the mirror is on the
left side, I had to close my right eye and force my left eye to focus on
the mirror to actually see what was coming. It never became secondary or
automatic that as my eyes moved, I would be able to process what was being
displayed in the mirror.

Still find it pretty interesting and I'll post an update sometime in the
future to see if the benefits are "real" or it's just the geekiness of it.
I wonder if I can get some insight from drivers based on whether the light
dynamically increasing it's brightness/# of diodes truly alerts them to the
cyclist or they've already seen it. There are some interesting taillights
being marketed now that have additional features that are purported to aid
drivers in noticing cyclists at night, so just curious to see if that is
true or just hype.

René

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Rene:
>
> Glad this is working for you. I’m an early-adopted-tech-geek through and
> through, but I must admit this particular product exceeds even my desire to
> load my bike down with electronics.
>
> I get that you ride with “headphones”—I do this myself, but I would never
> use in-ear phones that block all outside noise *or* listen to music at a
> volume that blocks out all exterior sounds. You decide how you want to
> ride, but I think it’s dangerous to be out on the road without one of your
> most important senses (hearing) working properly. I can’t tell you how many
> times I’ve had to take evasive action on the bike trail as the result of
> other riders (and runners) who can’t hear anything buy their music.
>
> Regarding electric vehicles—even here in California, they’re a very small
> part of the fleet, and in my experience that share drops even farther on
> low-volume country roads (except for perhaps Marin County, where the local
> residents drive their Teslas out into the country a bit more than in, say,
> Kern County).
>
> My solution for knowing what’s happening behind me is to use my ears and a
> helmet-mounted mirror. Cheap, effective, and neither one needs to be
> recharged.
>
> --Eric N
> campyonly...@me.com
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2016, at 9:00 AM, René Sterental  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am a geek, and love technology applied to my hobbies. Yes, there is a
> place for simplicity but so far it's not near me. I love my Apple Watch and
> iPhone 6 Plus, but after trying to use them as cycling computers with a
> very poor overall experience, I went back to my Garmin Edge 1000. I used
> Polar technology a decade and a half ago, but when Garmin entered the
> cycling market, it provided a better user experience for me, so I switched.
> I'm still upset that Garmin doesn't share data with Apple Health, but it's
> not enough to make me switch to the poorer user experience I had with
> Cyclemeter even factoring the Apple Watch app.
>
> It's not that I am obsessed with tracking all these numbers, I just like
> watching the data when I ride, and being able to go back and compare
> progress every now and then, see my tracks on the maps, etc.
>
> A couple of weeks ago I was at Palo Alto Bicycles looking for a helmet
> light, and I "discovered" a new Garmin gadget called Varia (
> https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/into-sports/cycling/varia-rearview-radar/prod518151.html).
> For some reason, I had never seen it, heard of it and was curious to see
> what it was. When I discovered it was a rear-looking radar to let you know
> when cars were approaching from the back, I was intrigued and did a bit of
> research online and then ordered one.
>
> I installed it on Sunday, and have ridden with it yesterday and today. I
> think it's very helpful and useful, particularly, when you are riding on
> roads with low traffic volume. If there are a lot of cars, then there is no
> purpose to it, but its use is very good when you are riding on low traffic
> roads as it lights up and tells you when and how a car is approaching from
> the back. My commute is mostly on such roads and trails, and now I don't
> have to keep turning my head back when approaching sections when I 

[RBW] Re: Ditched the dirt drops for Alba's. Not sure yet...

[John Phillips]

I forgot to add, I also use the Riv cork grips on my Albas, which gives my 
hands a wider, cushier grip/resting place. Ergon grips work well too. I use 
Ergon biokorks on my Brompton. 

If I just used tape on my Albas, I the narrower grip would give me sore 
hands after awhile.

John

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[RBW] What's Left (Re: Yet another late winter FS list (Clem Smith,Choco moose))

[David Sprunger]

Colleagues,
Thanks to everyone who bought something from my spring list. I'm down to
two items, but they're the biggest tickets.
Thanks,
David Sprunger
Fargo, ND



  -Clem Smith frame, blue, 59 cm. $800. Has the headset, bottom bracket,
> and seat post. This is a nice frame. I built it up for a relative who
> decided it wasn’t what he wanted after all. Ridden about 10 miles. Pick up
> in Fargo, split shipping from 58103, or I could probably deliver along the
> I94 corridor between Fargo and the twin cities. See
> http://faculty.cord.edu/sprunger/sale-Feb16/cockpit2.jpg  Compare to
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-csj-59blu.htm
>


> - Choco moose bars ($150, shipped in US). I ordered these from Rivendell
> and dry fit them in a frame to get a sense of how they’d fit me. I decided
> to stick with my Bosco bars instead. See the Riv description:
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/hb3bm.htm
>

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Re: [RBW] Need advice on a potential Quickbeam Modification

[Eric Norris]

I’m interested in what the advantages are, and how they would justify the 
expense of some pretty significant modifications to your QB to make them 
worthwhile.  I think I’ve read that a belt drive is actually not as efficient 
as a traditional chain?

--Eric N
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Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
@Campyonlyguy


> On Mar 1, 2016, at 9:01 AM, sanjoser  wrote:
> 
> I'm once again considering having my Quickbeam modified to use a belt drive. 
> I saw 
> a ton of them at NAHBS and a carbon belt seems to make a lot of sense over a 
> chain.
> I suspect that the frame modification will be major. 
> Does anyone have any advice on this?
> 
> best
> tom s.
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Re: [RBW] Geeky stuff I find quite helpful - my bike now has a rear radar!

[Eric Norris]

Rene:

Glad this is working for you. I’m an early-adopted-tech-geek through and 
through, but I must admit this particular product exceeds even my desire to 
load my bike down with electronics. 

I get that you ride with “headphones”—I do this myself, but I would never use 
in-ear phones that block all outside noise *or* listen to music at a volume 
that blocks out all exterior sounds. You decide how you want to ride, but I 
think it’s dangerous to be out on the road without one of your most important 
senses (hearing) working properly. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to 
take evasive action on the bike trail as the result of other riders (and 
runners) who can’t hear anything buy their music.

Regarding electric vehicles—even here in California, they’re a very small part 
of the fleet, and in my experience that share drops even farther on low-volume 
country roads (except for perhaps Marin County, where the local residents drive 
their Teslas out into the country a bit more than in, say, Kern County). 

My solution for knowing what’s happening behind me is to use my ears and a 
helmet-mounted mirror. Cheap, effective, and neither one needs to be recharged.

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Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
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> On Mar 1, 2016, at 9:00 AM, René Sterental  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am a geek, and love technology applied to my hobbies. Yes, there is a place 
> for simplicity but so far it's not near me. I love my Apple Watch and iPhone 
> 6 Plus, but after trying to use them as cycling computers with a very poor 
> overall experience, I went back to my Garmin Edge 1000. I used Polar 
> technology a decade and a half ago, but when Garmin entered the cycling 
> market, it provided a better user experience for me, so I switched. I'm still 
> upset that Garmin doesn't share data with Apple Health, but it's not enough 
> to make me switch to the poorer user experience I had with Cyclemeter even 
> factoring the Apple Watch app.
> 
> It's not that I am obsessed with tracking all these numbers, I just like 
> watching the data when I ride, and being able to go back and compare progress 
> every now and then, see my tracks on the maps, etc. 
> 
> A couple of weeks ago I was at Palo Alto Bicycles looking for a helmet light, 
> and I "discovered" a new Garmin gadget called Varia 
> (https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/into-sports/cycling/varia-rearview-radar/prod518151.html
>  
> ).
>  For some reason, I had never seen it, heard of it and was curious to see 
> what it was. When I discovered it was a rear-looking radar to let you know 
> when cars were approaching from the back, I was intrigued and did a bit of 
> research online and then ordered one.
> 
> I installed it on Sunday, and have ridden with it yesterday and today. I 
> think it's very helpful and useful, particularly, when you are riding on 
> roads with low traffic volume. If there are a lot of cars, then there is no 
> purpose to it, but its use is very good when you are riding on low traffic 
> roads as it lights up and tells you when and how a car is approaching from 
> the back. My commute is mostly on such roads and trails, and now I don't have 
> to keep turning my head back when approaching sections when I have to take 
> the lane just to see if there is someone behind me. Particularly useful with 
> all these electric vehicles in California that don't make a sound when they 
> approach you.
> 
> It connects to the Garmin Edge unit, so I don't need the version with the 
> separate display unit. With the front load configuration I have it attached 
> to the seat post with the mount provided, but for the Homer I'll devise a way 
> to attach it to the saddlebag. It provides an additional dynamic tailight 
> that lights dynamically as the cars approach you.
> 
> Since I'll confess to the sin of riding while listening to music on my 
> headphones, the benefit is significantly higher for me as I don't always hear 
> the cars when they are far behind me. The angle of coverage is pretty wide, 
> so on multi-lane roads or when riding on a trail next to a road, it will 
> still light up when cars are behind you even if they are one or two lanes 
> away. It still makes you aware. On my evening commute yesterday, I used it to 
> enhance my timing to switch lanes in traffic so I could take a left turn. 
> Worked very well!
> 
> The only hassle is that you have to charge it, and I still haven't tried to 
> see how long will the battery truly last. Although at NAHBS I saw these 
> chargers you can piggy-back on the SON hub so you can charge your devices as 
> you ride... Will be doing some research on those as well, although they'd 
> only be truly practical if I ever go on a tour.
> 
> Viva the geek!
> 
> René 
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[RBW] Re: Geeky stuff I find quite helpful - my bike now has a rear radar!

[Deacon Patrick]

Awesome!

I had an early version of that same tech installed in my lugs a little over 
40 years ago. Grin.

I mock, but seriously, if you're on a low traffic road, don't you hear cars 
coming? 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 10:01:02 AM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> it was a rear-looking radar to let you know when cars were approaching 
> from the back
>

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[RBW] Re: How to clean the Word's Dirtiest Saddlebag?

[Garth]

  No reputable manufacturer recommends cleaning waxed cotton at all , as in 
*100% 
do not clean*.   So buy it and leave it alone ... or man up and get a new 
one !  Ahahahaahahahaha ;)  

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[RBW] Geeky stuff I find quite helpful - my bike now has a rear radar!

[René Sterental]

Hi all,

I am a geek, and love technology applied to my hobbies. Yes, there is a
place for simplicity but so far it's not near me. I love my Apple Watch and
iPhone 6 Plus, but after trying to use them as cycling computers with a
very poor overall experience, I went back to my Garmin Edge 1000. I used
Polar technology a decade and a half ago, but when Garmin entered the
cycling market, it provided a better user experience for me, so I switched.
I'm still upset that Garmin doesn't share data with Apple Health, but it's
not enough to make me switch to the poorer user experience I had with
Cyclemeter even factoring the Apple Watch app.

It's not that I am obsessed with tracking all these numbers, I just like
watching the data when I ride, and being able to go back and compare
progress every now and then, see my tracks on the maps, etc.

A couple of weeks ago I was at Palo Alto Bicycles looking for a helmet
light, and I "discovered" a new Garmin gadget called Varia (
https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/into-sports/cycling/varia-rearview-radar/prod518151.html).
For some reason, I had never seen it, heard of it and was curious to see
what it was. When I discovered it was a rear-looking radar to let you know
when cars were approaching from the back, I was intrigued and did a bit of
research online and then ordered one.

I installed it on Sunday, and have ridden with it yesterday and today. I
think it's very helpful and useful, particularly, when you are riding on
roads with low traffic volume. If there are a lot of cars, then there is no
purpose to it, but its use is very good when you are riding on low traffic
roads as it lights up and tells you when and how a car is approaching from
the back. My commute is mostly on such roads and trails, and now I don't
have to keep turning my head back when approaching sections when I have to
take the lane just to see if there is someone behind me. Particularly
useful with all these electric vehicles in California that don't make a
sound when they approach you.

It connects to the Garmin Edge unit, so I don't need the version with the
separate display unit. With the front load configuration I have it attached
to the seat post with the mount provided, but for the Homer I'll devise a
way to attach it to the saddlebag. It provides an additional dynamic
tailight that lights dynamically as the cars approach you.

Since I'll confess to the sin of riding while listening to music on my
headphones, the benefit is significantly higher for me as I don't always
hear the cars when they are far behind me. The angle of coverage is pretty
wide, so on multi-lane roads or when riding on a trail next to a road, it
will still light up when cars are behind you even if they are one or two
lanes away. It still makes you aware. On my evening commute yesterday, I
used it to enhance my timing to switch lanes in traffic so I could take a
left turn. Worked very well!

The only hassle is that you have to charge it, and I still haven't tried to
see how long will the battery truly last. Although at NAHBS I saw these
chargers you can piggy-back on the SON hub so you can charge your devices
as you ride... Will be doing some research on those as well, although
they'd only be truly practical if I ever go on a tour.

Viva the geek!

René

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[RBW] Need advice on a potential Quickbeam Modification

[sanjoser]

I'm once again considering having my Quickbeam modified to use a belt 
drive. I saw 
a ton of them at NAHBS and a carbon belt seems to make a lot of sense over 
a chain.
I suspect that the frame modification will be major. 
Does anyone have any advice on this?

best
tom s.

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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

[Philip Williamson]

Imagine trying to remove the derailleur hanger with a big Crescent wrench. 
Hard. I think you might do it with four or five 90 degree bends. Bending it two 
degrees straight, or three degrees and back a skoodj won't hurt anything.
If it does break, you'd replace the hanger, which is your option now.

Philip
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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[Mark Reimer]

Beauty!! What a fantastic looking Atlantis...

>From my personal experience, I noticed an improvement in handling with the 
campee rack mounted on the lower eyelettes behind the axle. I haven't been 
able to actually use them for a while though, for the same reasons as you. 
There just isn't room with a fender. But I did have room with the Barlow 
Pass and VO 50mm fenders. It's always puzzled me that the campee doesn't 
have a fender mount. I've been considering handing the rack to a friend to 
braze one on, but then I'd have the issue of replating it or something. 
Gets expensive quickly. 

Also those Berthoud fenders look SO good. My VO fenders are getting pretty 
beat and I've considered adding new ones. What size are they? I see they 
come up to 60mm, which makes me wonder if you could squeeze Schwalbe super 
moto's under them. 

I'm late to the party...do you have a custom fork here? 

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:58:22 AM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>
> Hello Rene,
>
> Nice build! I've used inverse brake levers on a couple of bikes now and 
> really liked them since I still can reach them with my pinkies if needed. I 
> plan to use a pair with mustache bars in the near future, just need time 
> and maybe a new stem to make the conversion.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 5:53:55 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My Atlantis just got it's latest makeover that to me, makes it finally 
>> perfect! Well, I may still try to put the Compass Randonneur bars with a 
>> 5cm stem on to see what it feels like (marvelous on the Homer), but aside 
>> from that, it's now the way I always dreamt it.
>>
>> I installed the Berthoud 50mm fenders but used Honjo stays because I lost 
>> the Berthoud stays. The honjo stays are definitely more elegant, but take a 
>> bit more room. Gave the fenders maximum clearance so I can fit the new Soma 
>> 42mm SL tires (made by Panaracer) which I'm hoping to compare with the 
>> wonderful 38mm Barlow Pass. 
>>
>> After last week's dreadful shimmy experience with the rear load that was 
>> pushed behind the rear axle by the rack, I decided to go for the front and 
>> rear Nitto Campee racks that have the removable low riders. I'd always 
>> loved their look, so finally went for it. I installed them yesterday 
>> (Sunday) and I was marveled at how well they make the bike look. So 
>> elegant! I installed the front lowriders only (for now) and set it up with 
>> my old Acorn tan Rando bag plus a pair of Brooks Norfolk panniers where my 
>> laptop fits perfectly inside its thick padded sleeve.
>>
>> Last, for the final ergonomic improvement, I swapped my 11cm stem for a 
>> 12cm and reversed the Compass Elysees handlebars. The fit is now much 
>> better, I guess that now I'm naturally extending a bit more as I'm riding 
>> faster, and it seems more comfortable and efficient. I'm feeling very 
>> tempted to give the Compass Randonneur bars a chance on the Atlantis, as I 
>> love them on the Homer, but on the other hand, I love how the Elysees bar 
>> look and personalize it, so we'll see. I retaped the bars with Brooks 
>> Cambium tape, and have to say that this second time I did a much better job 
>> than the first time, when the tape felt very unwieldy. 
>>
>> As it stands now, I feel my Atlantis is 99% perfect. I love how it rides, 
>> I love how it looks, and I love how it makes me feel when I ride it. Riding 
>> it with just the front load really takes advantage of its low trail fork 
>> and the handling is just magical.
>>
>> I'm still adding a fender tailight and when I get to try the 42mm Soma SL 
>> tires I'll report on how they compare with the Compass 38 BP.
>>
>> Pictures prove the bike is indeed a dream come true: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/25260813432/in/album-72157625129486363/
>>  
>> (click to the right for more images)
>>
>> René 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[René Sterental]

Thank you all for the compliments!

Third ride this morning on the new setup, the full 15.5 miles to work
commute. I like the setup more and more, and may actually not even try
putting the dropbars yet. The reversed bar does make it ergonomically more
comfortable, and it was already comfortable before. Like Grant says, 3%
ergonomic improvement by reversing the bars!

I don't know if it's the extra 1cm stem or the purely front load, but now,
when I have my hands on the ends of the bar when riding upright, they are
about level or just slightly behind the steerer axis and the control is
significantly improved. Before, especially when turning at speed, it would
feel a bit awkward, but now if feels smooth and controlled.

Mark, I do have a custom low trail fork. You can search the list for my
long posts on the story. :-)

I'll post more photos of the loaded bike on this evening's commute.

René

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> Beauty!! What a fantastic looking Atlantis...
>
> From my personal experience, I noticed an improvement in handling with the
> campee rack mounted on the lower eyelettes behind the axle. I haven't been
> able to actually use them for a while though, for the same reasons as you.
> There just isn't room with a fender. But I did have room with the Barlow
> Pass and VO 50mm fenders. It's always puzzled me that the campee doesn't
> have a fender mount. I've been considering handing the rack to a friend to
> braze one on, but then I'd have the issue of replating it or something.
> Gets expensive quickly.
>
> Also those Berthoud fenders look SO good. My VO fenders are getting pretty
> beat and I've considered adding new ones. What size are they? I see they
> come up to 60mm, which makes me wonder if you could squeeze Schwalbe super
> moto's under them.
>
> I'm late to the party...do you have a custom fork here?
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:58:22 AM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>>
>> Hello Rene,
>>
>> Nice build! I've used inverse brake levers on a couple of bikes now and
>> really liked them since I still can reach them with my pinkies if needed. I
>> plan to use a pair with mustache bars in the near future, just need time
>> and maybe a new stem to make the conversion.
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 5:53:55 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> My Atlantis just got it's latest makeover that to me, makes it finally
>>> perfect! Well, I may still try to put the Compass Randonneur bars with a
>>> 5cm stem on to see what it feels like (marvelous on the Homer), but aside
>>> from that, it's now the way I always dreamt it.
>>>
>>> I installed the Berthoud 50mm fenders but used Honjo stays because I
>>> lost the Berthoud stays. The honjo stays are definitely more elegant, but
>>> take a bit more room. Gave the fenders maximum clearance so I can fit the
>>> new Soma 42mm SL tires (made by Panaracer) which I'm hoping to compare with
>>> the wonderful 38mm Barlow Pass.
>>>
>>> After last week's dreadful shimmy experience with the rear load that was
>>> pushed behind the rear axle by the rack, I decided to go for the front and
>>> rear Nitto Campee racks that have the removable low riders. I'd always
>>> loved their look, so finally went for it. I installed them yesterday
>>> (Sunday) and I was marveled at how well they make the bike look. So
>>> elegant! I installed the front lowriders only (for now) and set it up with
>>> my old Acorn tan Rando bag plus a pair of Brooks Norfolk panniers where my
>>> laptop fits perfectly inside its thick padded sleeve.
>>>
>>> Last, for the final ergonomic improvement, I swapped my 11cm stem for a
>>> 12cm and reversed the Compass Elysees handlebars. The fit is now much
>>> better, I guess that now I'm naturally extending a bit more as I'm riding
>>> faster, and it seems more comfortable and efficient. I'm feeling very
>>> tempted to give the Compass Randonneur bars a chance on the Atlantis, as I
>>> love them on the Homer, but on the other hand, I love how the Elysees bar
>>> look and personalize it, so we'll see. I retaped the bars with Brooks
>>> Cambium tape, and have to say that this second time I did a much better job
>>> than the first time, when the tape felt very unwieldy.
>>>
>>> As it stands now, I feel my Atlantis is 99% perfect. I love how it
>>> rides, I love how it looks, and I love how it makes me feel when I ride it.
>>> Riding it with just the front load really takes advantage of its low trail
>>> fork and the handling is just magical.
>>>
>>> I'm still adding a fender tailight and when I get to try the 42mm Soma
>>> SL tires I'll report on how they compare with the Compass 38 BP.
>>>
>>> Pictures prove the bike is indeed a dream come true:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/25260813432/in/album-72157625129486363/
>>> (click to the right for more images)
>>>
>>> René
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Thumbies with Silver Shifter adpaters and some Freewheels

[Ben]

All items sold, thanks.

On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 11:05:15 PM UTC-8, Ben wrote:
>
> One pair of silver Paul Thumbies, 22.2mm with Silver shifter adapters. 
> Shifters not included. These have been assembled and mounted, but not 
> cabled or used. 
> $40 Paypal personal, shipping included
>
> Three really great don't make 'em like this anymore freewheels for sale: 
> $25 ea. incl shipping
>
> Suntour Pro Compe 5 speed 14-32, looks new. I know that I have never used 
> it.
>
> Suntour Pro Compe 6 speed 13-34, original gold finish is about half worn 
> away, excellent condition, many miles to go
>
> Shimano 600 6 speed 13-32, likewise excellent
>
> Package deals definitely a bonus option.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[Hugh Smitham]

René,

I don't throw these out often, but your Atlantis is a rockstar!! Just 
gorgeous and the attention to detail is phenomenal. 

~Hugh

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 2:53:55 PM UTC-8, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My Atlantis just got it's latest makeover that to me, makes it finally 
> perfect! Well, I may still try to put the Compass Randonneur bars with a 
> 5cm stem on to see what it feels like (marvelous on the Homer), but aside 
> from that, it's now the way I always dreamt it.
>
> I installed the Berthoud 50mm fenders but used Honjo stays because I lost 
> the Berthoud stays. The honjo stays are definitely more elegant, but take a 
> bit more room. Gave the fenders maximum clearance so I can fit the new Soma 
> 42mm SL tires (made by Panaracer) which I'm hoping to compare with the 
> wonderful 38mm Barlow Pass. 
>
> After last week's dreadful shimmy experience with the rear load that was 
> pushed behind the rear axle by the rack, I decided to go for the front and 
> rear Nitto Campee racks that have the removable low riders. I'd always 
> loved their look, so finally went for it. I installed them yesterday 
> (Sunday) and I was marveled at how well they make the bike look. So 
> elegant! I installed the front lowriders only (for now) and set it up with 
> my old Acorn tan Rando bag plus a pair of Brooks Norfolk panniers where my 
> laptop fits perfectly inside its thick padded sleeve.
>
> Last, for the final ergonomic improvement, I swapped my 11cm stem for a 
> 12cm and reversed the Compass Elysees handlebars. The fit is now much 
> better, I guess that now I'm naturally extending a bit more as I'm riding 
> faster, and it seems more comfortable and efficient. I'm feeling very 
> tempted to give the Compass Randonneur bars a chance on the Atlantis, as I 
> love them on the Homer, but on the other hand, I love how the Elysees bar 
> look and personalize it, so we'll see. I retaped the bars with Brooks 
> Cambium tape, and have to say that this second time I did a much better job 
> than the first time, when the tape felt very unwieldy. 
>
> As it stands now, I feel my Atlantis is 99% perfect. I love how it rides, 
> I love how it looks, and I love how it makes me feel when I ride it. Riding 
> it with just the front load really takes advantage of its low trail fork 
> and the handling is just magical.
>
> I'm still adding a fender tailight and when I get to try the 42mm Soma SL 
> tires I'll report on how they compare with the Compass 38 BP.
>
> Pictures prove the bike is indeed a dream come true: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/25260813432/in/album-72157625129486363/
>  
> (click to the right for more images)
>
> René 
>

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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

[Howard Hatten]

Jason

I have one of those alignment tools and I never hesitate to use it when needed. 
 The beauty of steel, can be bent back into shape. I say go for it. 

Howard
Michigan

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[RBW] Re: derailleur hanger

[Takashi]

I'm not sure if you can bend the hanger back twice, but you sure can get a 
new dropout from Riv.
It shouldn't be very expensive.
I had my Hunqa's dropout bent, and Riv sent me a new dropout:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/riding$20my$20hunqapillar$20again/rbw-owners-bunch/hzLhXdLnLak/PWZWM1gbBQAJ
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/23779095042/in/album-72157660316343503/

Good luck!

Takashi


2016年3月1日火曜日 22時53分38秒 UTC+9 jandrews_nyc:
>
> Hi
> Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop yesterday 
> seemed suspect.
> A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
> I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear spokes. 
>  The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over shifted pretty 
> hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening but I did wreck 
> slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling and the bike went down.
> So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
> I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
> I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had another 
> mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool.  At that point 
> he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's been done once before 
> and the steel could break.
> The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or the 
> smallest cog because of the bend.
> When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due to 
> the inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain skates 
> due to the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of those cogs and 
> now my 8 speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This is fine for the 
> moment as I'm winter commuting but want to get it all sorted before spring.
>
>
> What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I just 
> try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new dropout put 
> in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if I could get a 
> new one from Riv.
> Thanks in advance for your advice.
> Jason
> Photo below:
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Girl crush

[Zed Martinez]

That oughtta be fun! I always felt the Clems were destined for some 
all-roads rough stuff like the Hunqapillar myself (and evidenced by my own 
Clem build). The stack/reach on them is actually oddly close to the specs 
on a lot of adventure bikes and fat bikes, despite how different they look 
from the modern crop. I'm still playing with getting the right height on 
the albastache on mine, but I feel like I'm getting really close now to 
having it just so and equally ready for some 'spirited' road jaunts and 
some bumpy off-road ones.

On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 8:10:47 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>
> Clementine frame is due tomorrow! We'll give her a nice early mtb kit amd 
> holler back.  Know there is fun afoot in Fort Wayne.

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[JohnS]

Hello Rene,

Nice build! I've used inverse brake levers on a couple of bikes now and 
really liked them since I still can reach them with my pinkies if needed. I 
plan to use a pair with mustache bars in the near future, just need time 
and maybe a new stem to make the conversion.

JohnS


On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 5:53:55 PM UTC-5, René wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> My Atlantis just got it's latest makeover that to me, makes it finally 
> perfect! Well, I may still try to put the Compass Randonneur bars with a 
> 5cm stem on to see what it feels like (marvelous on the Homer), but aside 
> from that, it's now the way I always dreamt it.
>
> I installed the Berthoud 50mm fenders but used Honjo stays because I lost 
> the Berthoud stays. The honjo stays are definitely more elegant, but take a 
> bit more room. Gave the fenders maximum clearance so I can fit the new Soma 
> 42mm SL tires (made by Panaracer) which I'm hoping to compare with the 
> wonderful 38mm Barlow Pass. 
>
> After last week's dreadful shimmy experience with the rear load that was 
> pushed behind the rear axle by the rack, I decided to go for the front and 
> rear Nitto Campee racks that have the removable low riders. I'd always 
> loved their look, so finally went for it. I installed them yesterday 
> (Sunday) and I was marveled at how well they make the bike look. So 
> elegant! I installed the front lowriders only (for now) and set it up with 
> my old Acorn tan Rando bag plus a pair of Brooks Norfolk panniers where my 
> laptop fits perfectly inside its thick padded sleeve.
>
> Last, for the final ergonomic improvement, I swapped my 11cm stem for a 
> 12cm and reversed the Compass Elysees handlebars. The fit is now much 
> better, I guess that now I'm naturally extending a bit more as I'm riding 
> faster, and it seems more comfortable and efficient. I'm feeling very 
> tempted to give the Compass Randonneur bars a chance on the Atlantis, as I 
> love them on the Homer, but on the other hand, I love how the Elysees bar 
> look and personalize it, so we'll see. I retaped the bars with Brooks 
> Cambium tape, and have to say that this second time I did a much better job 
> than the first time, when the tape felt very unwieldy. 
>
> As it stands now, I feel my Atlantis is 99% perfect. I love how it rides, 
> I love how it looks, and I love how it makes me feel when I ride it. Riding 
> it with just the front load really takes advantage of its low trail fork 
> and the handling is just magical.
>
> I'm still adding a fender tailight and when I get to try the 42mm Soma SL 
> tires I'll report on how they compare with the Compass 38 BP.
>
> Pictures prove the bike is indeed a dream come true: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/25260813432/in/album-72157625129486363/
>  
> (click to the right for more images)
>
> René 
>

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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

[clyde canter]

Wheels mfg dropout saver will fix it if that is in fact the case.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:14 AM, clyde canter  wrote:

> Don't know if this is relevant to your situation but it is possible for
> two sets of threads to exist in the same hole. This is most likely
> accomplished when chasing threads for paint etc. I know this to be true as
> I've done it before, unintentionally of course.  If this is the case it
> should be evident if the shoulder of the derailleur and the  edge of the
> hanger aren't mating  properly.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:53 AM, jandrews_nyc 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop yesterday
>> seemed suspect.
>> A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
>> I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear
>> spokes.  The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over shifted
>> pretty hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening but I did
>> wreck slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling and the bike
>> went down.
>> So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
>> I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
>> I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had another
>> mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool.  At that point
>> he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's been done once before
>> and the steel could break.
>> The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or
>> the smallest cog because of the bend.
>> When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due to
>> the inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain skates
>> due to the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of those cogs and
>> now my 8 speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This is fine for the
>> moment as I'm winter commuting but want to get it all sorted before spring.
>>
>>
>> What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I just
>> try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new dropout put
>> in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if I could get a
>> new one from Riv.
>> Thanks in advance for your advice.
>> Jason
>> Photo below:
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

I doubt the derailleur hanger will break. You really don't have anything to 
lose.It's no fun if your derailleur isn't shifting properly.
Just ensure the mechanic has the correct tool and knows what he is doing.
Jon


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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

[clyde canter]

Don't know if this is relevant to your situation but it is possible for two
sets of threads to exist in the same hole. This is most likely
accomplished when chasing threads for paint etc. I know this to be true as
I've done it before, unintentionally of course.  If this is the case it
should be evident if the shoulder of the derailleur and the  edge of the
hanger aren't mating  properly.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:53 AM, jandrews_nyc 
wrote:

> Hi
> Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop yesterday
> seemed suspect.
> A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
> I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear spokes.
> The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over shifted pretty
> hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening but I did wreck
> slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling and the bike went down.
> So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
> I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
> I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had another
> mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool.  At that point
> he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's been done once before
> and the steel could break.
> The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or the
> smallest cog because of the bend.
> When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due to
> the inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain skates
> due to the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of those cogs and
> now my 8 speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This is fine for the
> moment as I'm winter commuting but want to get it all sorted before spring.
>
>
> What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I just
> try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new dropout put
> in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if I could get a
> new one from Riv.
> Thanks in advance for your advice.
> Jason
> Photo below:
>
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] derailleur hanger

[Steve Palincsar]

I think steel is not aluminum.  I'd worry that aluminum would break, but 
far less so with steel.  What's more, if your alternate is to take it to 
a frame builder and have a new one installed, that's a fine backup plan 
if and when the hanger breaks when you bend it a second time.  In other 
words, if you plan to replace it anyway, what have you got to lose by 
trying to straighten it?


On 03/01/2016 08:53 AM, jandrews_nyc wrote:

Hi
Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop 
yesterday seemed suspect.

A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear 
spokes.  The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over 
shifted pretty hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening 
but I did wreck slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling 
and the bike went down.

So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had 
another mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool. 
 At that point he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's 
been done once before and the steel could break.
The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or 
the smallest cog because of the bend.
When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due 
to the inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain 
skates due to the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of 
those cogs and now my 8 speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This 
is fine for the moment as I'm winter commuting but want to get it all 
sorted before spring.



What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I 
just try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new 
dropout put in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if 
I could get a new one from Riv.

Thanks in advance for your advice.
Jason
Photo below:




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[RBW] Re: derailleur hanger

[jandrews_nyc]

FYI
Here's the complete Bike
'08 S.H. powder-coated black



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[RBW] derailleur hanger

[jandrews_nyc]

Hi
Looking for some advice here as what I got at a local bike shop yesterday 
seemed suspect.
A few days ago I noticed I had a broken spoke on my rear wheel.
I took the bike in and as it turned out, the shop replaced 5 rear spokes. 
 The mechanic seemed to think that the chain must've over shifted pretty 
hard into the wheel.  I don't remember that happening but I did wreck 
slightly a few weeks ago as the snow started falling and the bike went down.
So he fixed the wheel and trued it up.
I asked him about the derailleur hanger tab and he agreed that it's bent.
I told him that it's been bent before about 5 years ago and I had another 
mechanic professionally bend it back with the correct tool.  At that point 
he didn't want to attempt to bend it back since it's been done once before 
and the steel could break.
The rear derailleur will not shift well into either the largest cog or the 
smallest cog because of the bend.
When shifted into the smallest cog, the chain rubs on the hanger due to the 
inward bend and when shifting into the largest cog, the chain skates due to 
the angle of the pulley.  So we trimmed out both of those cogs and now my 8 
speed cassette is effectively a 6 speed.  This is fine for the moment as 
I'm winter commuting but want to get it all sorted before spring.


What do you all think about the hanger? Will it break?  Shouldn't I just 
try it? Or is it better to take to a frame shop and have a new dropout put 
in?  I really don't want to do that and don't even know if I could get a 
new one from Riv.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Jason
Photo below:



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[RBW] Re: Ditched the dirt drops for Alba's. Not sure yet...

[Philip Kim]

like others, i've had better luck with handlebars just slightly above the 
saddle, and the handle bars angles down less. i used to run the albas 
angled down just a tad more than yours, but found that it had me leaning 
forward onto my hands more.

when i run the bars angled down less, it kind of operated like a perch for 
my hands to hang out.

gonna try to bullmoose boscos, and hope these will be just as good.


On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 3:21:40 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I decided to try swapping my Soma Portola dirt drop bars on my Atlantis 
> for Albatross bars. I had them on for a short while last year in winter and 
> enjoyed them, but ultimately switched them out because I found the very 
> upright position made it difficult to ride fast or into the wind. I've been 
> using my Atlantis as a daily rider lately, so going fast isn't as much of a 
> concern right now. I just want something comfortable for ripping around 
> town, running errands, lazy evening rides. 
>
> For the most part I've found it to be a success. However I'm surprised to 
> be getting sore hands! Maybe they aren't up high enough? I don't remember 
> having this issue before. But after riding for an hour or so, it seems I 
> have a lot of weight on the bars which causes them to get uncomfortable. 
> What's your experiences been like? 
>
> Either way, it sure does look good. 
>
> Oh, and switching to down-tube shifters has been GREAT so far. No more 
> bruises on my thighs when the weighted bars flop into my leg accidentally. 
> No more worrying about a shifter catching my top tube if it flops over. And 
> the absence of cable housing in the cold and damp weather has resulted in 
> much crisper shifting overall. I'm a fan!
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Latest Atlantis update

[Michael Hechmer]

Gorgeous setup Rene.  I'll bet it turns some heads.  I use the same rack 
setup on our tandem and really like it.  I'm also a big fan of DT shifters, 
though for commuting I did prefer something closer at hand.  The bars are 
very elegant and comfortable looking, which tempts me to try them on my 
Saluki, which is what I use to carry stuff these days.  My past experience 
with bars other than drops has not been good.  My buns don't like it, and I 
find that as I raise any bar above the saddle, it gets harder to standup an 
rock the bike over the top of steep risers.

Michael


On Monday, February 29, 2016 at 5:53:55 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My Atlantis just got it's latest makeover that to me, makes it finally 
> perfect! Well, I may still try to put the Compass Randonneur bars with a 
> 5cm stem on to see what it feels like (marvelous on the Homer), but aside 
> from that, it's now the way I always dreamt it.
>
> I installed the Berthoud 50mm fenders but used Honjo stays because I lost 
> the Berthoud stays. The honjo stays are definitely more elegant, but take a 
> bit more room. Gave the fenders maximum clearance so I can fit the new Soma 
> 42mm SL tires (made by Panaracer) which I'm hoping to compare with the 
> wonderful 38mm Barlow Pass. 
>
> After last week's dreadful shimmy experience with the rear load that was 
> pushed behind the rear axle by the rack, I decided to go for the front and 
> rear Nitto Campee racks that have the removable low riders. I'd always 
> loved their look, so finally went for it. I installed them yesterday 
> (Sunday) and I was marveled at how well they make the bike look. So 
> elegant! I installed the front lowriders only (for now) and set it up with 
> my old Acorn tan Rando bag plus a pair of Brooks Norfolk panniers where my 
> laptop fits perfectly inside its thick padded sleeve.
>
> Last, for the final ergonomic improvement, I swapped my 11cm stem for a 
> 12cm and reversed the Compass Elysees handlebars. The fit is now much 
> better, I guess that now I'm naturally extending a bit more as I'm riding 
> faster, and it seems more comfortable and efficient. I'm feeling very 
> tempted to give the Compass Randonneur bars a chance on the Atlantis, as I 
> love them on the Homer, but on the other hand, I love how the Elysees bar 
> look and personalize it, so we'll see. I retaped the bars with Brooks 
> Cambium tape, and have to say that this second time I did a much better job 
> than the first time, when the tape felt very unwieldy. 
>
> As it stands now, I feel my Atlantis is 99% perfect. I love how it rides, 
> I love how it looks, and I love how it makes me feel when I ride it. Riding 
> it with just the front load really takes advantage of its low trail fork 
> and the handling is just magical.
>
> I'm still adding a fender tailight and when I get to try the 42mm Soma SL 
> tires I'll report on how they compare with the Compass 38 BP.
>
> Pictures prove the bike is indeed a dream come true: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/25260813432/in/album-72157625129486363/
>  
> (click to the right for more images)
>
> René 
>

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