[RBW] Re: moustache or Albastache bars on a Legolas?

I ride Albastache on my Sam and I don't think I'll ever want another set of bars. Great on the road, great on the trails. I also used to have Moustache bars on an old Cross Check. I liked them enough to prompt me to buy the Albastache but not as much as the Albastache. The Albastache is

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

Will suggested the CX70 to me once because I swap wheelsets often. The CX70 can be flipped pretty far out of the way so you can easily remove even fat tires. That might be nice on the Joe since you can fit nice, wide wires. Congrats on the new Joe A. I'm sure you'll love it. John -- You

[RBW] Re: 40-ish mm Tires on Thinner Rims?

Thanks guys! As always, great info. I think I'll just run them on my Open Pros for now. And when I have a bit of spare change, I'll upgrade to a 23mm rim so they can run a bit truer to size. Eric On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 12:53:48 AM UTC-5, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: > > No one has

[RBW] Re: 40-ish mm Tires on Thinner Rims?

No one has mentioned this yet, but for some types of brakes, having a big difference between the rim width and tire width will cause problems with wheel removal, simply because the brakes can't open wide enough for the tires to pass through, even with the QR actuated. For example, on my

[RBW] Re: Help pulling Sugino triple crank

Aha! Thank you for pointing out the missing tip! I guess it fell off after the last time I used it and I didn't notice: Ok time for a new one.thanks all, Scott in TN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 6:33:35 AM UTC-8, Minh wrote: > > >- grips-i have the foam ones now, thinking about the ergon ones, there >seems to be some debate on whether they fit w/o cutting on the M bars > > The foam cores are fine and durable. I'm still on my fairly ratty ones

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Thanks, Forrest. It's not just a dream. It's real and I get to ride it almost every day, though only for a very short amount of time and on the trainer. I'm certainly looking forward to getting it outside again. Tim On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Forrest Meyer

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Patrick, I use a Fitbit also. I took your advice and did some periodic quick checks during my session at home this evening. For my 10 minute session, I was only doing about 2.8 mph in about the third lowest gear of my 3x9. Cadence didn't show; think I need to adjust the sensor position. Per

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Andy, I have been very careful getting on/off the Homer on the trainer. With the way it is positioned against a counter as shown in the picture, I have to mount it from the left side. What I have been doing is: while unweighted, rotate the left foot to the correct position. place foot on

[RBW] Re: Help pulling Sugino triple crank

You're missing a metal button off the end of your puller. It should be a bit larger. It may have broken off without you knowing it. Ray Vallejo CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: Help pulling Sugino triple crank

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 8:28:08 PM UTC-8, pscottm wrote: > > > The first pic looks at the opening with the crank bolt removed. Can see > the end of the spindle along with a little Phil grease or some other. > > >

[RBW] 25 years now

Ted, that's exactly what happened to me except I didn't leave with a bike that day. I went into a Bridgestone shop with a co-worker whose bike was being worked on, and picked up the '92 catalogue. I noticed the white and purple XO-1s on the end-cards and said, "That's cool!" I still have the

[RBW] Re: Help pulling Sugino triple crank

Thank you for the replies. The ball bearing trick sounds like a good one. I've been too busy to run to the hardware store but will try this as soon as I have a chance. In the meantime, I did take a couple pictures. The first pic looks at the opening with the crank bolt removed. Can see

[RBW] Re: FS: Suntour, Sackville, Nitto

Bump Jitensha bar $45 Trunk Sack $60 Suntour stem shifters $12 Suntour superbe levers $30 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Help me build my 55 Cheviot

Yeah I think joe is right, though it should have a small sweet spot with no rubbing. I used a 10 speed derailleur with a 7 speed cassette/chain and was able to get into most gears without rubbingswitching to a full 10 speed drivetrain definitely made things nicer though. -- You received

Re: [RBW] 25 years now

On 11/30/2016 10:23 PM, RonaTD wrote: Please indulge me a little reminiscence. Riding home from work tonight on on my Cheviot, I passed by the bike shop where, almost 25 years ago to the day, I was handed The 1992 Bridgestone Bicycle Catalog. After about 30 seconds of looking at pages 36&37,

[RBW] 25 years now

Please indulge me a little reminiscence. Riding home from work tonight on on my Cheviot, I passed by the bike shop where, almost 25 years ago to the day, I was handed The 1992 Bridgestone Bicycle Catalog. After about 30 seconds of looking at pages 36&37, I handed over my credit card and changed

[RBW] Best Clem rack/trunk sack-type bag combo?

I mounted a Clem rack on the rear of my new Rosco Bubbe and it fits and looks great. I am now in search of a large trunk sack type bag to mount on it. Riv seems to have only one current bag on their site that would match what I want, but sadly it is sold out. I ordered a Pletscher rear bag from

[RBW] Help pulling Sugino triple crank

I have found that same problem. Your solution of sticking something on the end of the spindle should work. I used a large ball bearing to do the same thing and it worked. I now use an old Sugino crank extractor which seems to work better, for some reason! George in NoCal -- You received

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

+1 on the mini motos limiting your max tire/fender capabilities. Probably better off with something elsePaul Touring in silver? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

That's a killer build, man! Nicely done  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Help pulling Sugino triple crank

If you are absolutely, positively certain that there is no washer still in the hole then it is remotely possible your crank was not milled out properly. Seems unlikely but it is possible. I've used a pickle fork to remove a crank with stripped threads before, it works very well, just make

[RBW] Help me build my 55 Cheviot

You need an 8-speed front derailer like the Shimano Claris on my Appaloosa. The CX70 is a narrow 10-speed derailer which probably works ok on 9, too, but I'm sure it's too narrow for your 8-speed chain.

[RBW] Re: FS: Suntour, Sackville, Nitto

Olive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Help pulling Sugino triple crank

The square hole is the same size for all cranks that fit a JIS bottom bracket, and awfully close to the same size for an ISO bottom bracket. Are you sure there's no washer in there? I've used my CCP-22 on plenty of Sugino triple cranks. A picture would help us diagnose the problem. jim m wc ca

[RBW] Re: Help me build my 55 Cheviot

Are you sure the derailler is paraller w the chain? On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 7:27:26 PM UTC-5, ed wrote: > > I would like to seek your advise to help me build my 55 Cheviot. > Bought it from Rivendell when I visited them last September 16, 2016. > The headset, fork, and bottom bracket

[RBW] Re: moustache or Albastache bars on a Legolas?

Not a Legolas, but I love my Albastache on my QuickBeam and the QB is somewhat similar and I ride it on backroads and trails. I have Albastache (aka new Moustache) on my Hunqapillar also, and use it for (for me) agressive trail riding, long all day riding on any terrain, roads, trail,

[RBW] Re: Bicycle tattoos

It's a sign of a skilled rider who can hold it together on a trike after blowing off one of the rear wheels. #RESPECT On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:21:11 PM UTC-8, jenny klug wrote: > > > and one dedicated to my first childhood friend, Ramona Quimby-- >

[RBW] Help pulling Sugino triple crank

I'm trying to pull the crankset on a Sam I bought built from Riv last year and I just made the realization that my Park CCP-22 tool (the small blue handled one) is too broad to fit past the square hole in the crank arm. I've used this tool many times on many cranks over the last couple decades

[RBW] Help me build my 55 Cheviot

I would like to seek your advise to help me build my 55 Cheviot. Bought it from Rivendell when I visited them last September 16, 2016. The headset, fork, and bottom bracket were pre-installed by Riv. This is my first full bike build so pardon my ignorance if I have chosen the wrong set of

[RBW] Re: FS: Suntour, Sackville, Nitto

what color is the trunksack? On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 9:12:20 PM UTC-8, Coconutbill wrote: > > Hello.. I have a few items for sale... I will post pictures in the next > day or so. > I can ship , but would prefer to sell locally in Portland, OR > > Nitto Jitensha Bar - $50 > Sackville

[RBW] WTB choco moose

Or bosco bullmoose! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Rivendell For Sale

Photos https://goo.gl/photos/Gfeh5Nvxr5qQSJSa7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

I have CX70s on my blue Appaloosa. They work great and look good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

The Shimano CX-70's are excellent cantilever brakes...and though not silver are not unattractive...sort of a bluish gunmetal finish. If your Joe's blue, they might be a nice contrast. I'd go with the Riv recommendation there On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 3:33:09 PM UTC-6, Ashwath

Re: [RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote: > > > Component recommendations for Joe are welcome. First item: Is Paul Mini > Moto a good choice for this bike? Folks at Riv HQ praised Shimano CX70, > however I'd like one in silver. > The Paul Mini Moto is a

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

Congrats! The ride matters. As far as the build goes *I* would stick with old school parts for simplicity. The Mini Motos are as good as brakes get. I recently got a Chevoit and tried Choco norm bars but did not warm up to them. I am going to try SOMA Sparrow bars. Bars and saddles are personal

[RBW] Re: Bicycle tattoos

This are great, Jenny. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

BTW, I'll be using Campy short pull break levers. On Wednesday, 30 November 2016 13:33:09 UTC-8, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote: > > Folks, much appreciate your opinions and sharing your experiences with > these bikes. So I took them for a ride (51 Sam and 46 Joe). Went there > thinking I'm

[RBW] Re: FS: Suntour, Sackville, Nitto

photos of the trunksack: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

Folks, much appreciate your opinions and sharing your experiences with these bikes. So I took them for a ride (51 Sam and 46 Joe). Went there thinking I'm bringing home a Sam frame. After staring at the bikes for some time, I started liking the Orange better than Joe's blue :) How

[RBW] Re: Bicycle tattoos

I have a couple of bicycle-themed tattoos I thought y'all might get a kick out of-- one dedicated to my favorite pastime-- https://www.instagram.com/p/BLmbiqHBG6X/?taken-by=jenny_klug=en and one dedicated to my first childhood friend, Ramona Quimby--

Re: [RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

Hi Ashwath, No, Compass's tire offerings do not have "flat protection". Compass uses "supple" casings for comfort, speed, handling. By using wider tires at lower pressures, flats are not as likely to occur. If you ride in goat head country, or places that are likely to have wires, nails,

[RBW] Re: BLUG?

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 4:48:44 PM UTC-5, LBleriot wrote: > > Okay, I'm not seeing the BLUG link on Riv's new website. What am I > missing? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

[RBW] Re: BLUG?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 1:42:33 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote: > > I had the same problem I think it's falling off the edge of my screen? Now there's BLUG and Grant's Blahg... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

Damn! You were able to predict the outcome! On Wednesday, 30 November 2016 03:34:05 UTC-8, Garth wrote: > > > From what you expressed Ashwath, the Appaloosa being " strangely > pleasant", trust yourself. Pleasant IS pleasant, and there is nothing > better than that. Isn't that what all effort

Re: [RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

Do these tires have some sort of flat protection? On Tuesday, 29 November 2016 07:51:06 UTC-8, Bob K. wrote: > > Alex Wrote: > > "Based on what you will do with it most often, Sam is king. Throw on some > Compass Baby Shoe tires and you're off to the races (It'll feel FAST!!)." > > I think

Re: [RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

Good to know this option exists. I might require it! On Wednesday, 30 November 2016 01:51:59 UTC-8, BenG wrote: > > In 2013 I paid Riv to get my new Sam painted from forest green to metallic > pewter. Consider asking about a paint job to get the one you want as you > like it. -- You

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

650B tire selection scene mildly worries me. Agreed, there are more choices with 26". Just that Appaloosa looked odd to me with 26. Would have much preferred 700c (I do understand why 650b is a better fit for my size) On Monday, 28 November 2016 08:34:02 UTC-8, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: > > I

[RBW] moustache or Albastache bars on a Legolas?

Anyone ever run Albastache or moustache handlebars on a Legolas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] WTB: Soma Deluxe Porteur Rack

If anyone has a Soma Deluxe Porteur rack (preferably silver) that they're not using, I'm looking to buy one. Jack in Oakland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Re: FS: map/ahearne-nitto-Paul-shimano cockpit

sold On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 1:57:39 PM UTC-8, drew wrote: > > Have a lightly used cockpit. Map ahearne bars in the wider size, nitto > tallux stem, silver Paul thumbies with shimano shifters, shimano mtb levers > and nitto bar end plugs. All in good-newish condition. Some minor

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

I guess I'm thinking of my particular need, which is to get the folded bike inside a very tight travel case. It won't go in unless the seatpost is all the way down. You're correct that you don't need to push it all the way down if it's not necessary to make the bike as small as possible.

[RBW] Re: FS Sam Hillborne 55cm Albastache bars

Dropping price to $1,800 now. On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 12:52:01 PM UTC-6, Forrest Meyer wrote: > > For sale 55 cm Sam Hillborne in the blue/gray color. Albastache bar > set-up. Purchased new directly from RBW in May 2015. Very clean. No dings, > dents, chips, never crashed. Under

[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne frameset 55cm (extras optional)

This is a companion post to my earlier one for the complete bike (FS Sam Hillborne 55cm Albastache bars). BTW, dropping price for that to $1,800 now. This is a blue-gray frameset purchased new from RBW May 2015. Fewer than 1,000 miles on it. No dings or dents; never crashed. Photos here:

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

Hi Eric, I'm not following your point on the seatpost needing to bottom out to achive full fold, if i stop it short to accomodate a seatpost light (say 2 inches), won't there still be enough post down to hold the fold? I know the seatpost touches the ground when dropped down, but isn't that

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Heal quickly, Tim. Dreaming about that first Riv may help to speed recovery. Best wishes. On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:14:14 PM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote: > > Per an emergency room visit late last night, I tore the meniscus in my > left knee and my 'get acquainted with Homer' plan has

Re: [RBW] 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

Drewnice rebuild...I think those old high-quality mtn bikes are hidden gems and will last a lifetime...older 80's to 90's Treks were really nicely made. Hope you enjoy it; it looks rugged and practical Infinity tubing is Tange's chrome moly seamed as opposed to seamless

[RBW] Re: BLUG?

I had the same problem I think it's falling off the edge of my screen? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] WTB choco moose

Looking for some choco moose bars! Don't care about the condition -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: FS: Giordana 57 road frame, Nitto Campee lowrider, Stronglight 99, Campy BB, and more!

just wanted to comment: the workmanship on Giordana's is superb. My LeMond was also built by the Billato Bros, and let me tell you, the mitering, brazing, filing, alignment, was as good as it gets. Great frame, simple lugs, cast fittings, too bad about that 8 foot ditch in the road that

[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

no, i was gonna try to match, but couldnt justify spending that kind of money. its a standard powdercoat color. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] FS: Nine Bridgestone Catalogs

In case you didn't see or are still considering this, nine Bridgestone catalogs. Also, consider an offer... Dave, who was #56 when Grant Petersen started the original Bridgestone Owners Bunch On 11/26/16 10:08 AM, David Hallerman wrote: Hello! Seeing SpeedyChix recent posting of four

[RBW] Re: FS: Giordana 57 road frame, Nitto Campee lowrider, Stronglight 99, Campy BB, and more!

9 and 10 (Sackville trunk and Carradice SQR bag) are claimed pending payment. On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Tim Gavin wrote: > I have various items for sale, plus actual shipping cost via BikeFlights. > Located in Cedar Rapids, IA. > > *1) 51 cm Soma San

[RBW] FS: Giordana 57 road frame, Nitto Campee lowrider, Stronglight 99, Campy BB, and more!

I have various items for sale, plus actual shipping cost via BikeFlights. Located in Cedar Rapids, IA. *1) 51 cm Soma San Marcos (v1), $1200 complete or $600 frameset.* Listed separately here

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Great points, Tim. I'd not remembered we shared the barefoot and MAF journey years ago. Thanks for the reminder! Yes, I do it all by feel. I recently tried a Fitbit and found I actually fall by feel squarely where I thought I did, based on the reality that the age drop off is less than

[RBW] FS: Brooks Flyer S Special Honey Women's Saddle

Excellent like-new condition. Still needs to be broken in. $75 shipped. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

My Brompton's headlight is mounted on the fork crown, so I suppose you could put a battery light there, but it would certainly be bigger. As I said, ask the folks at Clever Cycles. You could, of course, mount a handlebar light that goes on/off easily. The full fold requires that the seatpost

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

I had roller blade wheels on there for a while. When they fell off I bought the EZ wheels. On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 5:38:48 PM UTC+2, Minh wrote: > Eric--On the lights, would you still need to take off battery lights if > you mounted them in the same spot as the brompton ones? for

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

Eric--On the lights, would you still need to take off battery lights if you mounted them in the same spot as the brompton ones? for the rear light, if you mount to top of the seatpost would that interfere? for the front light, does anyone have feedback on handlebar mounting the front light

Re: [RBW] Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

I went with dyno lighting because that's what I like to use on my bikes. With the Brompton, it also simplifies the fold--there's no need to take the light off the bars or seatpost (taillight) when folding. I had them put an Edelux II on, paired with Brompton's own LED taillight, which is quite

[RBW] Re: FS: Willow Chainring Sale - $10 chainrings, $15 triplizers w/ hardware

Bumping this up. Thanks to all who put in orders. All chainrings have been sent out or will be in this morning's mail. Sale prices are still on, not sure for how long, but it's nice to see these getting use rather than sitting in my basement. David River Grove, IL On Sunday, November 27, 2016

[RBW] WTB Large Sackville Saddlesack

PM sent. Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

Your Trek 830 looks perfect, glad to see someone else still uses Biopace. I love them. Is this an original Trek color? > >> >> >> >>

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

>From what you expressed Ashwath, the Appaloosa being " strangely pleasant", trust yourself. Pleasant IS pleasant, and there is nothing better than that. Isn't that what all effort is for, that sense of pleasance ? On Sunday, November 27, 2016 at 5:40:05 PM UTC-5, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote: >

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

Could be the chainstay length. Joe's are longer. The rest of the frame geometry is similar to the Sam. On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-5, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote: > > *Sam felt like a Honda Civic while Joe felt like Accord.* This is how I > can best describe the difference. > >

[RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

I have the Choco norm bars...O.K. but I ordered SOMA Sparrow bars. Going to try them flipped. Will post after they are installed. Also got German Ergon cork grips. On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 9:42:34 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote: > > You'll be able to get a great deal more upright with the

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Tim, Great news that it was a repairable injury instead of a cartilage tear leaving your knee short of OEM-spec bushing. Be very careful getting on and off your sessions on the Homer. I can attest that it's bad enough and unsettling to your proprioception to be wounded and healing, but the

Re: [RBW] Re: Choosing between Sam and Joe

In 2013 I paid Riv to get my new Sam painted from forest green to metallic pewter. Consider asking about a paint job to get the one you want as you like it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

[RBW] Re: FS: New 700c LX/A23 wheelset

Paypal or ca$h in US$ Ill ship anywhere and any method you want if you pay shipping -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to