[RBW] On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[christian poppell]

I believe Jobst Brandt had only one bike and he went everywhere! I think you 
can satisfy want and need all in one shot. You want an Atlantis and at that 
point you only need one bike! Done!

Optimization is the enemy of opportunity. I've had more fun using the "wrong" 
bike than using what would be considered the "right" bike. I think a 650b 
atlantis in your size with the right tires would get you a lot of places. Heck! 
You don't even really need knobbies unless its super muddy. I would sell all 
and get some 42c slicks and ride them till they're worn through. Go for the 
Atlantis!

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis for Hunq trade?

[adam leibow]

my friend was deadset on an atlantis and when i took him to rivendell, he 
test drove pretty much everything they had. at the end he was like, "i 
really wanted to like the atlantis the most but man when i was on that 
hunqapillar i felt i could take it anywhere" or something like that. i have 
a 54 hunQ and the 58 atlantis would fit me great, but I'm not getting rid 
of mine. would you sell the atlantis? have any pics of it?

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:48:07 AM UTC-7, Dylan Green pdx wrote:
>
> Hi RBW! 
>
> I'll spare you all the details, but just as I was about to put a deposit 
> on a Hunqapillar, a used Atlantis popped up and I grabbed it. It's an 
> earlier, Toyo build frame in great shape. I'm toying with the idea of 
> rebuilding it, and turning it into a nice commuter, but honestly my heart 
> still is beating for that Hunqapillar! Anyone out there have a 54 Hunq (or 
> 650b equivalent) that wants to trade for a 58 (700c) Atlantis? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[LeahFoy]

Everybody stop talking. I know exactly what needs to be done here. 

1. Keep the Hunq which is your TBBITW (The Best Bike in the World).

2. Buy one of these: http://www.tagabikes.com. You know, under the guise of a 
gift to the new baby, and all.

You're welcome. My work here is done.
Leah

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Re: [RBW] On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[René Sterental]

I can't really add anything meaningful regarding which bike to keep/get. My
personal preference is 100% Atlantis over Hunqapillar, but I'm not you.

What I would recommend is for you to ask yourself. "What will I regret the
most?
Selling the Hunqapillar to get the Atlantis or keeping the Hunqapillar?
The answer will probably become obvious to you fairly quickly. It's not
about what you want most or reasons for wanting it, but what you will
regret the most in the future.

René

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:04 PM William deRosset 
wrote:

> Dear Drew,
>
> It really depends on how you use your bikes.
>
> For example, if you own no car (or lack access to it during the week),
> commute farther than easy walk/run distance, and do not have good access to
> transit, then having two machines that at least overlap in this vital
> function is a very good idea.
>
> If you are not riding a bike, and you do not have space for it
> (wax+apartment decoration? Consider the possibilities of all that wall
> space...), and you have no real emotional attachment to it, then sell it.
> If it later turns out you Needed That Bike, then you have your lost
> treasure. It is good to have one or more that get away.
>
> The One Bike solution works well enough if you can find one that is good
> enough at everything you do on a bike. Most enthusiasts (and I tried hard
> to settle on one for years) end up with at least two, especially if they
> both do practical stuff and ride in pacelines.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M deRosset
> Fort Collins CO
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[RBW] On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[William deRosset]

Dear Drew,

It really depends on how you use your bikes. 

For example, if you own no car (or lack access to it during the week), commute 
farther than easy walk/run distance, and do not have good access to transit, 
then having two machines that at least overlap in this vital function is a very 
good idea. 

If you are not riding a bike, and you do not have space for it (wax+apartment 
decoration? Consider the possibilities of all that wall space...), and you have 
no real emotional attachment to it, then sell it. If it later turns out you 
Needed That Bike, then you have your lost treasure. It is good to have one or 
more that get away.

The One Bike solution works well enough if you can find one that is good enough 
at everything you do on a bike. Most enthusiasts (and I tried hard to settle on 
one for years) end up with at least two, especially if they both do practical 
stuff and ride in pacelines.

Best Regards,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO

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[RBW] Re: FS: Practically new 59cm Clem Smith Jr. H

[Michael Holloway]

Giving this a bump.  I've got the Clem listed on CL and BikeExchange for 
$1,150 these days but for a list special I'd let it go for $1,000 shipped. 
 It's a great bike for someone and it's not doing anyone any good sitting 
in my basement.

I took some pics which you can find here:

https://goo.gl/photos/22FdyHG75AbkNRjU7

Happy to take more if there's something specific you'd like to see a photo 
of, but isn't there.

If I can't get $1,000 for it now I guess I'll just hang onto it and wait 
for a WTB 59cm Clem thread to come around.

Thanks for looking!

On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 1:33:10 AM UTC-4, Michael Holloway wrote:
>
> I'm looking to sell my very lightly used 59cm Clem Smith Jr. H, mustard 
> color.
>
> Looks like this, though I'm happy to send you a phone snapshot if you're 
> interested:
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/clem-smith-jr-h-style-complete?variant=2841281
>
> I ordered it late last summer and took it out for a couple of rides around 
> town before it got too cold for this freezecat to go riding around.  Great, 
> quirky bike, sprightly but with a relaxed riding position, but it's just a 
> wee bit too big for me. (For reference, I'm 5' 11-1/2". Rivendell says 
> riders for this size are typically 5' 10" to 6' 4", and if I were you I'd 
> be more confident about it if I were on the higher end of that range.)
>
> I paid $1500 and I'd part with it for $1250.
>
> Also willing to sell the frameset alone for $800.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis for Hunq trade?

[Dylan Green pdx]

adios Atlantis, MB-1...

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 5:36:20 PM UTC-7, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Well thats it then. You need to get a Hunq
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:20:02 AM UTC-4, Dylan Green pdx wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate the input! I am downsizing as well, and while yeah they'll 
>> do basically the same thing, there was a certain feeling I had when I was 
>> riding the Hunq through the California hills. 
>>
>> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> I tend to agree. A 58 Atlantis and a 54/700c hunq are gonna do about 95% 
>>> of the same work. 
>>>
>>> That being said, I am currently pondering spacially and financially 
>>> downsizing from a hunq and a Sam and a vintage trek, to a single 650b 
>>> Atlantis. Logic says to just keep the hunq and sell the restbut that 
>>> nagging feeling
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:53:20 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Orc,
>
> Do you have any pictures of the tandem style cabling?  I would be curious 
> how that works to easily swap handle bars.
>

No pictures, but S sells them @ http://www.sandsmachine.com/ac_cable.htm

-david parsons

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Pondero]

Drew said..."Oh man. You have a rambler and an adventure bike? Why would anyone 
need another bike?"

To answer his question, and sort of aim back at the original one bike idea, let 
me say that I don't need another bike...but I also have a Quickbeam.  Any one 
of my bikes could be a "one bike" for me (not that I am seeking that 
currently).  I enjoy each of them that much.  So my advice on the downsizing 
thing is to keep one that speaks to your soul, and accessorize to broaden the 
experience.  Keep the stoke alive until it comes time to n + 1.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: CETMA rack and Sackville ShopSack

[Steve Butcher]

Bump and Price drop.  I'll drop the price of the CETMA rack to $90.00 
shipped and the ShopSack to $60.00 shipped.  

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 9:51:36 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> As I'm continuing to sort through and pass along stuff I'm not using, I'm 
> offering for sale my  5-rail CETMA front cargo rack.  This rack is the 
> older version which attaches to the handlebars and over the axles.  It is 
> powdercoated matte black,  looks quite "industrial" and is rated to haul a 
> substantial load.  This rack does not have the extra attachment points for 
> lights like the newer version.  The rack is in excellent condition always 
> stored indoors with only a rare hairline scratch or small scuff from 
> mounting a basket, the welds are all intact, nothing is bend, and there is 
> no rust.  All mounting hardware is included.  I'm selling because I find I 
> just don't have the need to haul heavy or bulky objects.  I'm thinking 
> $100.00 shipped CONUS.   I'm also offering a large tan Sackville ShopSack 
> which is in like new condition.  I've used it very little, always stored 
> indoors, and never wet.  I'd like to get $70.00 shipped CONUS.  I'd prefer 
> payments via PayPal Family and Friends.  Please PM me if you've any 
> questions.  Thanks.  Steve
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis for Hunq trade?

[Davey Two Shoes]

Well thats it then. You need to get a Hunq

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:20:02 AM UTC-4, Dylan Green pdx wrote:
>
> I appreciate the input! I am downsizing as well, and while yeah they'll do 
> basically the same thing, there was a certain feeling I had when I was 
> riding the Hunq through the California hills. 
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> I tend to agree. A 58 Atlantis and a 54/700c hunq are gonna do about 95% 
>> of the same work. 
>>
>> That being said, I am currently pondering spacially and financially 
>> downsizing from a hunq and a Sam and a vintage trek, to a single 650b 
>> Atlantis. Logic says to just keep the hunq and sell the restbut that 
>> nagging feeling
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

*NEVER* mind. I see you said "under 40" and not "over 40".

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=1=rja=8=0ahUKEwixk9GC8ZjUAhXKwVQKHaZFAnkQ3ywIKTAA=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV3FnpaWQJO0=AFQjCNHPlGQEyIRumeF2Nfwx1-9qlur4eA=BkqcKK7ATbUoV_ECglT9Sg

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> There are certainly other reasons than the Joneses to have more than 1
> bike!
>
> Drew: If you put a gun to my head and told me, "Choose just one," and if
> you weren't going to use fat tires, why not the Sam? Though an Atlantis
> would be Riv model #2 on my list, after the Roadeo, if I had a Riv list.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I never was very much into keeping with the Jonses anyways even when I
>> could, ahahahaha ! Riding to me is very much just like surfing, no one to
>> keep up with and nothing to overcome, just being in the flow of the moment.
>>
>> --
>>
>


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[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

[Davey Two Shoes]

I can not wait for you to build that up...

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Ian A]

I would say keep the Hunq and at least one of the other three (a back-up 
commuter is an essential for me). You could always have the canti mounts 
moved on the Hunq to the 650b position, questions of BB clearance, but 
that's often solved by running a wider tire. I have a frame and fork with 
the frame builder right now going through 650b to 26" canti surgery. It's a 
small investment to customize a bike to fit your personal needs entirely. 
 The paint trauma is localized and can be touched up tastefully. 

One normally loses money selling a bicycle and a new bike, although a 
worthwhile investment, often adds up in price, not to mention the time it 
takes to compile the parts and build everything together.

IanA (Desperately trying to organize a three bike maximum, but somehow 
always ending up at four).


On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 7:55:17 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

There are certainly other reasons than the Joneses to have more than 1 bike!

Drew: If you put a gun to my head and told me, "Choose just one," and if
you weren't going to use fat tires, why not the Sam? Though an Atlantis
would be Riv model #2 on my list, after the Roadeo, if I had a Riv list.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
>
> I never was very much into keeping with the Jonses anyways even when I
> could, ahahahaha ! Riding to me is very much just like surfing, no one to
> keep up with and nothing to overcome, just being in the flow of the moment.
>
> --
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

Oh man. You have a rambler and an adventure bike? Why would anyone need another 
bike?

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

50 mm tires versus 1" tires, actual width 22-24 mm depending on rim; both
on NORBA era mountain bike with drop bar. The bikes I have in mind were
notable for their very neutral -- very sweet -- handing with 2" tires, but
put on a 26 X 1" tire and the handling was neither stable in a straight
line, nor even in a turn; lousy. That's why I went back to a road bike,
even if my road bike as a roadified '92 XO-1.

Even with 35 mm Fatboys the handling on these bikes -- '90 SJ Comp, '91 SJ
Team, '89 or '88 Bikeology higher end mtb; possibly used narrower (35 mm)
tires on the early '90s DB Axis Team -- was less stable and turned in less
evenly. This with at least 4 bikes so converted, perhaps 5 -- can't
remember if I ran anything but 60s on the last one, but I do recall being
struck by how well it handled compared to other setups with 60 mm Big
Apples.

Even my early '95 Riv Road custom was somewhat twitchy with 26 X 1s and
handled best with (26") 1.25 Paselas (this was pre-Elk Pass or Kojak) (the
later ones handled exquisitely with 23s and with 35s).

Perhaps the change is due to front centers or contact patches; who knows.
The point is that swapping tires does not always come without penalties.

And a 3/4" drop in bb height can be problematical if you start with a 10
1/2" bb; less so if you start with a 11 1/2" or 12" bb. Even a 10 1/2" high
bb leaves you prone to pedal strike if you don't coast in corners and with
very narrow Q (130, 170 mm length) and low profile pedals (RX-1s Keos,
X-2s), as I know from experience.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Orc  wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:28:18 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Visually, but certainly not in serviceability! Your 650B wheels will
>> leave your bb 3/4" closer to the floor. Much more to the point would be
>> 650B X 42s which are about the same diameter of 700C X 25s.
>>
>
> Yes.   So don't try to shred the gnar with the 25s;  for that, pop in
> your wheelset with 2" tires.
>
>
>> Also, a bike designed to handle well with 42 or 50 mm tires won't handle
>> as well with 25s, at least that is my experience with roadified mountain
>> bikes that handle well with 50s and lousily with 25s.
>>
>
> How do you mean lousily?   The only difference I've noticed with
> larger (fsvo "larger" -- my idea of fat tires are the 38mm Pari-Motos on my
> sweet fixie and mountainhack) tires are that they spin up slower and don't
> get bounced around as much on loose gravel.  But at speed on pavement I'd
> find it hard to pick any handling differences that don't point back at the
> length of the front triangle instead of the shape of the contact patches.
>
>-david parsons
>
>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Orc  wrote:
>>
>>>  (A machine with 650x25b tires is visually indistinguishable from a
>>> 700x25c machine until you either get up close or have it alongside the 700c
>>> machine.)
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Pondero]

Justin asked..."Which Bantam built machine would you choose? Rambler or 
Adventure bike?"

Fortunately, my Rambler is pre-Bantam, so I think that means I am exempt 
from answering such as ridiculously difficult question, right?  Besides, 
this thread is for Drew's dilemma.  It is much easier to coach than to do.

Go, Drew!

Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Garth]

Drew, I ride my Bombadil pretty much 99 percent on road as I simply don't have 
any bike trails around my home, just mostly brutal not frequently used atv 
paths. I prefer road riding anyways, it's not so jarring(usually !). I also 
have nice custom sport touring bike with 35mm tires that rides smoother(thx 
Reynolds 531ST), but it is not any "faster" than my Bomba with the 38-42mm 
tires I ride with. It would not matter even if was percieved as "faster" since 
I ride slow and slower anyways. If I had to have one bike I would keep the 
Bombadil simply because I feel so darn "united" within it, for lack of a better 
way to put it. I am perfectly "centered" within the bike, unlike most any bike 
I have ever owned or ridden where the front-center was never long enough, the 
head tube high enough, and bb height low enough.

I never was very much into keeping with the Jonses anyways even when I could, 
ahahahaha ! Riding to me is very much just like surfing, no one to keep up with 
and nothing to overcome, just being in the flow of the moment. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[REC]

I'm not that knowledgeable about bikes in particular, but the hung is your 
"favorite"  and it's obvious from your follow up replies that  it brings 
you so much joy.  I wouldn't sell anything that brings that much 
happiness.  After that, you can decide if the Sam (no more monetary layout) 
or the Atlantis or another bike would be a good 2nd.  

I have one of those wall leaning bike racks, so I can store two bikes in 
the space of one in a narrow breezeway.  Both are available any time I want 
to ride AND I get an upper body workout putting a bike on the top tier.  :)

When I was selling, I'd say "buy what you love."  In this case, I say "keep 
what you love."  It will cost you less in the long run AND make you happier 
AND with some creative storage solutions, give you space.

Congratulations on the new baby.

Roberta

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:55:17 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:

> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Jim S.]

Davey, I've got both, (and a Scout 11 for that matter.)

I like them all.

I think the winner is the ShopSack. It's simpler. When I'm on a tour, I 
just throw stuff in. With lots of little pockets, I can't remember where I 
put what. With only one choice, I know it's all there. Also, the ShopSack 
opens nice and wide on the top, and it holds more. Also, the ShopSack is 
more useful when not in the basket. 

Re the Scout 11, I know it's not a basket bag (the Scout 14 is.) With that 
said, the Scout 11 is very useful as a handlebar bag, or as a racktop bag, 
particularly if you need a bag to easily switch among various bikes. I 
think I rate it ahead of the TrunkSack.

So that's my 2 cents. But they're all nice bags, no question. 



On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:14:26 AM UTC-5, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
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> Hello all!
> I hope everyone had a great weekend of riding. I did!
> I'm looking to bring my basket to a more organized place. The old bungie 
> and random bag move is growing tired and I'm interested in either the 
> Sackville Shopsack or the  Swift Sugarloaf for my medium wald. Plenty of 
> glowing opinions on the Sackville but I haven't been able to find much on 
> the Swift Sugarloaf. Anyone have any knowledge to drop on my head?
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

i think that, in all foreseeable likelihood, i wont be running a tire under 
40mm... especially on the hunq. right now it has 700x2.25 tires and feels 
somewhat monstrous on the 54cm frame. the vintage trek has 26x2.2 tires and 
it feels almost too nimble. so the idea of splitting that difference with 
650b is appealing. 

if sticking with the hunq, it would probably be a snoqualmie pass situation 
for city and something 2.1ish and tougher for tour and trail. i think i 
could use a similar rim width for both those. 

Aesthetically, 29er wheels on a smallish frame sort of bugs my eye too. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Jonathan D.]

I would add that I think the Appaloosa would be a great solution as well for 
one bike and the long chain stays have been nice with a bike seat. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Jonathan D.]

Orc,

Do you have any pictures of the tandem style cabling?  I would be curious how 
that works to easily swap handle bars. 

I like the two wheel solution but to Patrick's point you are probably not going 
with a 23mm and 50 mm option. Maybe 40mm and 50mm?  I would say with a new born 
you run out of time to fiddle with a bike setup. I would say keep the Hung for 
now and keep your eye out for a 650b Atlantis if a deal
Comes up. You are in a position to be patient. 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Wayne Naha]

Congrats on your upcoming bundle of joy!  It's the start of everything. 
 But back to bikes, I'd sell two of them right off just for the sake of 
domestic tranquility, the two vintage bikes.  Buy a nice crib and dresser 
with the proceeds.  If you don't really need to sell, but just have no 
place to put the bikes, perhaps you could improvise some outdoor storage? 
 It doesn't have to fancy, just enough to keep the weather off, and keep 
them secured.  If not, I think you are headed towards the 'one bike 
solution.'  In my experience, nothing got my dear wife as ready to blow her 
top as barking her shins (again) on some MKS Touring pedals.  Also, the 
bike as an 'objet d'art' in the living room didn't fly in my house.  Small 
house + no alternative storage = one bike, at least for me.  Now which bike 
should you pick?  Tough choice.  Clearly it's either the Hunq, or the 650b 
Atlantis, and you can't really make a bad choice here.  650b Atlantis, 
though. NIce.
 

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Bill Lindsay]

I think you may need one of each.  

BL in EC

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 9:14:26 AM UTC-7, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Hello all!
> I hope everyone had a great weekend of riding. I did!
> I'm looking to bring my basket to a more organized place. The old bungie 
> and random bag move is growing tired and I'm interested in either the 
> Sackville Shopsack or the  Swift Sugarloaf for my medium wald. Plenty of 
> glowing opinions on the Sackville but I haven't been able to find much on 
> the Swift Sugarloaf. Anyone have any knowledge to drop on my head?
>

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[drew]

i'm also loving my sugarloaf. it has now solidly replaced a handlebar bag 
and a saddlebag for daily riding. great size. i like the multiple pockets. 
easy on and off. doesn't look too bad walking around with it.

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[RBW] Re: Pick your paint Hunq

[RichS]

Dig it! The color and the head badge look so good together. Nicely done and 
congratulations!

Regards,
Richard

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> Fantastic!
>
> Enjoy!...and please share photos once it is built up.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-5, Michael in SF wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> I think it turned out great!
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2017 at 5:12:21 PM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>>>
>>> The Riv newsletter I received today alluded to this in the subject, but 
>>> there were no details in the newsletter. Anyone know the scoop? An AHH-blue 
>>> Hunqapillar (maybe with a top tube a few cm longer than stock) is my dream 
>>> Rivendell. 
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Jon Schultz]

Sorry, I got the smaller one 

-Original Message-
From: "Davey Two Shoes" 
Sent: ‎5/‎30/‎2017 3:02 PM
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

Hi Jon,
did you get the scout 11 or 14?

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:38:56 PM UTC-4, Jon BALER wrote:
I just got a scout for mt wife to sit on a surly 8 pack rack.  It's very small 
compared to my reload bag.  It would not fill a wald basket.


From: Davey Two Shoes
Sent: ‎5/‎30/‎2017 2:31 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf


Thanks for all the feedback! So far it looks as though the Sugarloaf will prove 
better for my needs.
Has anyone heard about the North Street Scout 14?


https://northstbags.com/collections/scout-14-duffles



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[RBW] Re: Albastache Setup Question.

[Tony]

I asked Grant once and he suggested this (Drew's reply) as the widest you 
would want them, but also said customers have convinced him that other 
setups can work well.

Tony

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 6:50:05 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> I have mine set so that the end of the lever is in line with the straight 
> part of the bar that comes back. Because the hoods aren't super useful with 
> this bar, you have a lot more room to move them around. 

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[RBW] Re: FEELER! 58cm appaloosa frame and fork

[mike smith]

I have a 59cm Clem or a year old (hardly ridden) 58cm Surly Pacer that I 
built from the frame up.  SRAM Force groupset.  The Pacer is a great bike 
but I want something I can add racks to, fatter tires, etc.  

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:13:45 AM UTC-4, Singlespeed Johnny wrote:
>
> i would entertain trades for another 58-60cm riv. the long wheelbase 
> (which everyone seems to love around here) just didn't suit my riding 
> style. it's an amazing bike, but again, just not for my particular riding 
> style. 
> anyone got anything they'd like to trade for a like-new appaloosa?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[Justin August]

The MAPs are different from the Jitensha. They have more rise and a longer grip 
area. Plus you can get them in a much wider width (that I have not tried). And 
they are rated OK for MTB use and do not have a sleeved grip area.

-Justin


On May 30, 2017, 12:04 PM -0700, jjss , wrote:
> I curious to know if anyone has experimented with both these bars or the 
> jinensha bars (are they exactly he same?) and the Choco-norm bars and have a 
> sense of how the would compare.  The Chocos would just be even more upright?
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:53:56 AM UTC-7, gordo wrote:
> > I second Justin's suggestion of the MAP/Ahearne bars.  I'm running them on 
> > my cruiser-ish Atlantis with Paul thumbies and they are perfect for 
> > commuting, rambles and short overnighters.  It also makes handling a 
> > typically overloaded front rack/basket very easy.
> >
> > - Eric in SF
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 9:43:27 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
> > > Not to over judge your plan BUT...
> > > If you are building this up to be a "cruiser-ish" ride that your partner 
> > > can use on the weekends, I would not build your second bike to go 
> > > "faster" if you plan to ride together. It sounds like you ride more than 
> > > they do. I have found that you may be on the end of some bad feelings and 
> > > reluctance to ride if the plan is to ride these bikes together. Only 
> > > speaking from my experience but it's something to think about!
> > >
> > > Another option is to think about the MAP/Ahearne bar. I have it on my 
> > > Saluki and my wife's Betty Foy. It's cruiser-ish enough to go slow and 
> > > aggressive enough to dig in and go hard (and even offload!) when needed.
> > >
> > > -Justin, happily cycling with his partner in Oakland, CA
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 8:02:27 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:
> > > > Ha.  Fair enough...  Realistically I will still ride it more than her.  
> > > > I'm moving by the beach so I want this set up as my day to day commuter 
> > > > and grocery bike that she can then ride on the weekends.  B/c I'll 
> > > > probably be figuring out another bike for myself with a "faster" setup, 
> > > > I like the idea of pushing this in the choco norm / albatross direction.
> > > >
> > > > Fair point about the shifting but I figure if all she ever knows is 
> > > > friction...
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:32:36 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
> > > > > Well, I think you really need to decide who you are doing this for 
> > > > > first, because you say you GF is going to ride it, But seem to be 
> > > > > making choices based on what YOU like!?
> > > > > If it was for you I would second the Albastache recommendation, but 
> > > > > if it's for the GF, I'd go Albatross.  I've had both on my Atlantis 
> > > > > and while I prefer the stache, but if it was for someone who 
> > > > > apparently does not ride a lot the Albatross would be better.
> > > > > Along those lines, Silver shifters are great, but honestly some sort 
> > > > > of index shifter option might be better, depends a little on the GF.
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Bill Lindsay]

Drew offered a multiple-choice scenario, based on various motivations and 
constraints, and asked 'what would you do?'

Of the choices given, my honest most-likely choice would be:

-realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
problems in your life.

Assuming that's not what you are going to do, I will add that I think the 
650B Atlantis would/will be a great bike.  

BL in EC


On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 6:55:17 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[jjss]

I curious to know if anyone has experimented with both these bars or the 
jinensha bars (are they exactly he same?) and the Choco-norm bars and have 
a sense of how the would compare.  The Chocos would just be even more 
upright?

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:53:56 AM UTC-7, gordo wrote:
>
> I second Justin's suggestion of the MAP/Ahearne bars.  I'm running them on 
> my cruiser-ish Atlantis with Paul thumbies and they are perfect for 
> commuting, rambles and short overnighters.  It also makes handling a 
> typically overloaded front rack/basket very easy.
>
> - Eric in SF
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 9:43:27 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Not to over judge your plan BUT...
>> If you are building this up to be a "cruiser-ish" ride that your partner 
>> can use on the weekends, I would not build your second bike to go "faster" 
>> if you plan to ride together. It sounds like you ride more than they do. I 
>> have found that you may be on the end of some bad feelings and reluctance 
>> to ride if the plan is to ride these bikes together. Only speaking from my 
>> experience but it's something to think about!
>>
>> Another option is to think about the MAP/Ahearne bar. I have it on my 
>> Saluki and my wife's Betty Foy. It's cruiser-ish enough to go slow and 
>> aggressive enough to dig in and go hard (and even offload!) when needed.
>>
>> -Justin, happily cycling with his partner in Oakland, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 8:02:27 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:
>>>
>>> Ha.  Fair enough...  Realistically I will still ride it more than her. 
>>>  I'm moving by the beach so I want this set up as my day to day commuter 
>>> and grocery bike that she can then ride on the weekends.  B/c I'll probably 
>>> be figuring out another bike for myself with a "faster" setup, I like the 
>>> idea of pushing this in the choco norm / albatross direction.  
>>>
>>> Fair point about the shifting but I figure if all she ever knows is 
>>> friction...  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:32:36 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:

 Well, I think you really need to decide who you are doing this for 
 first, because you say you GF is going to ride it, But seem to be making 
 choices based on what YOU like!?
 If it was for you I would second the Albastache recommendation, but if 
 it's for the GF, I'd go Albatross.  I've had both on my Atlantis and while 
 I prefer the stache, but if it was for someone who apparently does not 
 ride 
 a lot the Albatross would be better. 
 Along those lines, Silver shifters are great, but honestly some sort of 
 index shifter option might be better, depends a little on the GF.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:28:18 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Visually, but certainly not in serviceability! Your 650B wheels will leave 
> your bb 3/4" closer to the floor. Much more to the point would be 650B X 
> 42s which are about the same diameter of 700C X 25s.
>

Yes.   So don't try to shred the gnar with the 25s;  for that, pop in 
your wheelset with 2" tires.
 

> Also, a bike designed to handle well with 42 or 50 mm tires won't handle 
> as well with 25s, at least that is my experience with roadified mountain 
> bikes that handle well with 50s and lousily with 25s.
>

How do you mean lousily?   The only difference I've noticed with larger 
(fsvo "larger" -- my idea of fat tires are the 38mm Pari-Motos on my sweet 
fixie and mountainhack) tires are that they spin up slower and don't get 
bounced around as much on loose gravel.  But at speed on pavement I'd find 
it hard to pick any handling differences that don't point back at the 
length of the front triangle instead of the shape of the contact patches.

   -david parsons


>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Orc  
> wrote:
>
>>  (A machine with 650x25b tires is visually indistinguishable from a 
>> 700x25c machine until you either get up close or have it alongside the 700c 
>> machine.)  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Davey Two Shoes]

Hi Jon,
did you get the scout 11 or 14?

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:38:56 PM UTC-4, Jon BALER wrote:
>
> I just got a scout for mt wife to sit on a surly 8 pack rack.  It's very 
> small compared to my reload bag.  It would not fill a wald basket.
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> Sent: ‎5/‎30/‎2017 2:31 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf
>
> Thanks for all the feedback! So far it looks as though the Sugarloaf will 
> prove better for my needs.
> Has anyone heard about the North Street Scout 14?
>
> https://northstbags.com/collections/scout-14-duffles
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[gordo]

I second Justin's suggestion of the MAP/Ahearne bars.  I'm running them on 
my cruiser-ish Atlantis with Paul thumbies and they are perfect for 
commuting, rambles and short overnighters.  It also makes handling a 
typically overloaded front rack/basket very easy.

- Eric in SF

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 9:43:27 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Not to over judge your plan BUT...
> If you are building this up to be a "cruiser-ish" ride that your partner 
> can use on the weekends, I would not build your second bike to go "faster" 
> if you plan to ride together. It sounds like you ride more than they do. I 
> have found that you may be on the end of some bad feelings and reluctance 
> to ride if the plan is to ride these bikes together. Only speaking from my 
> experience but it's something to think about!
>
> Another option is to think about the MAP/Ahearne bar. I have it on my 
> Saluki and my wife's Betty Foy. It's cruiser-ish enough to go slow and 
> aggressive enough to dig in and go hard (and even offload!) when needed.
>
> -Justin, happily cycling with his partner in Oakland, CA
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 8:02:27 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:
>>
>> Ha.  Fair enough...  Realistically I will still ride it more than her. 
>>  I'm moving by the beach so I want this set up as my day to day commuter 
>> and grocery bike that she can then ride on the weekends.  B/c I'll probably 
>> be figuring out another bike for myself with a "faster" setup, I like the 
>> idea of pushing this in the choco norm / albatross direction.  
>>
>> Fair point about the shifting but I figure if all she ever knows is 
>> friction...  
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:32:36 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I think you really need to decide who you are doing this for 
>>> first, because you say you GF is going to ride it, But seem to be making 
>>> choices based on what YOU like!?
>>> If it was for you I would second the Albastache recommendation, but if 
>>> it's for the GF, I'd go Albatross.  I've had both on my Atlantis and while 
>>> I prefer the stache, but if it was for someone who apparently does not ride 
>>> a lot the Albatross would be better. 
>>> Along those lines, Silver shifters are great, but honestly some sort of 
>>> index shifter option might be better, depends a little on the GF.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Ray Varella]

One other thing to consider and it may have already been mentioned. 
If you go with two sets of wheels, consider having the width of the rims very 
close or the same as each other.  
If you have to completely readjust your brakes every time you make a wheel 
swap, you won't be as likely to get all the added utility that "one" bike was 
intended to offer. 

Ray

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RE: [RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Jon Schultz]

I just got a scout for mt wife to sit on a surly 8 pack rack.  It's very small 
compared to my reload bag.  It would not fill a wald basket.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

Thanks for all the feedback! So far it looks as though the Sugarloaf will prove 
better for my needs.
Has anyone heard about the North Street Scout 14?


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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Davey Two Shoes]

Thanks for all the feedback! So far it looks as though the Sugarloaf will 
prove better for my needs.
Has anyone heard about the North Street Scout 14?

https://northstbags.com/collections/scout-14-duffles


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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

Visually, but certainly not in serviceability! Your 650B wheels will leave
your bb 3/4" closer to the floor. Much more to the point would be 650B X
42s which are about the same diameter of 700C X 25s.

Also, a bike designed to handle well with 42 or 50 mm tires won't handle as
well with 25s, at least that is my experience with roadified mountain bikes
that handle well with 50s and lousily with 25s.


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Orc  wrote:

>  (A machine with 650x25b tires is visually indistinguishable from a
> 700x25c machine until you either get up close or have it alongside the 700c
> machine.)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

Brewster: If you care to post photos and brief descriptions of your bikes,
I'd be interested in looking at them.

I used to have 1 bike with 3 wheelsets: 50 mm off road, 32 mm commuting,
and 22 mm gofast, all with the appropriate cassettes. Sure, it all worked,
but I was still limited by one bike: a bike that is optimized for dirt
isn't optimized for road, and vice versa, and a bike optimized for
commuting is not optimized for dirt bashing or gofast riding (Jan will
disagree, but I disagree with him, and the long-term existence of mountain
bikes and racing bikes backs this up). I finally decided that I needed a
road bike, and got one (that was the 1992 XO-1, set up as a gofast).



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:

> I don't understand having only one bike, especially if you commute, tour
> or just ride a lot. I guess if a person is on top of maintenance and things
> don't break, it should work. However, I found that one bike, even with
> several wheelsets isn't enough. I have had things break when I'm ready to
> go out and didn't have time to look at my bike the night before. Unless
> space is an issue, having a second bike provides security by having a
> backup and also some versatility as you can even have more than one type -
> a commuter/tourer/all arounder type bike for everyday use and maybe a
> weekend bike for go-fast rides or off-roading.
>
> As a roady, my bikes then to lean towards the "go-fast" route and weigh
> between 15 to 19lbs. However, being the "fat guy" in the group, it really
> doesn't matter how light my bikes are as the engine is still weak. But I'm
> working on it.
>
> Otherwise, if you really can't have more than one bike, I agree that two
> or more wheelsets is the way to go!
>
> Good Luck!
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a
>> totally different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the
>> bike's versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to
>> experiment with compass tires... interesting.
>>>
>>>
>> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love
>> the hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply
>> sentimental about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the
>> most practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost
>> immediately regrettable.
>>
>> ill try to answer some of the questions.
>> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice
>> carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i
>> have felt like im slowing them down.
>> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91
>> stumpjumper frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

If space is more important than money, strip the Hunq down to the frame and 
tuck it into the corner (or hang it in the closet, or on a wall) for later 
when you've got more time, space, and mental energy) and then look at the 
other 3 bicycles for weeding down to one.

The 650b do-it-all is not a completely ridiculous idea.  A comfy frame with 
room for 2" tires -- as long as it doesn't have an insanely low bottom 
bracket -- will also let you put narrow tires onto the thing and play 
discount roadie.(A machine with 650x25b tires is visually 
indistinguishable from a 700x25c machine until you either get up close or 
have it alongside the 700c machine.)   If you used tandem-style 
quick-disconnects for your brake cables (and shifter cables if you're using 
bar-end shiftters) you could even have a mustache (or flat) bar, a set of 
cruiser bars, or even drop bars that you could flip in and out with almost 
as little effort as it would take to pop one wheelset and put in another.

-david parsons

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a 
> totally different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the 
> bike's versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to 
> experiment with compass tires... interesting. 
>>
>>
> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love 
> the hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply 
> sentimental about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the 
> most practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost 
> immediately regrettable. 
>
> ill try to answer some of the questions.
> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice 
> carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i 
> have felt like im slowing them down. 
> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
> frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Surlyprof]

The CX-50s, or any brake that clears the forks and chainstays completely, 
will help a lot with wheel change out.  I've got older Tektros and have to 
deflate the fatter tires every time I swap wheels (which I do pretty 
often).   I'll definitely get some when I feel more financially flush and 
wear out my last pair of replacement brake shoes.

John

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a 
> totally different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the 
> bike's versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to 
> experiment with compass tires... interesting. 
>>
>>
> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love 
> the hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply 
> sentimental about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the 
> most practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost 
> immediately regrettable. 
>
> ill try to answer some of the questions.
> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice 
> carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i 
> have felt like im slowing them down. 
> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
> frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Brewster Fong]

I don't understand having only one bike, especially if you commute, tour or 
just ride a lot. I guess if a person is on top of maintenance and things 
don't break, it should work. However, I found that one bike, even with 
several wheelsets isn't enough. I have had things break when I'm ready to 
go out and didn't have time to look at my bike the night before. Unless 
space is an issue, having a second bike provides security by having a 
backup and also some versatility as you can even have more than one type - 
a commuter/tourer/all arounder type bike for everyday use and maybe a 
weekend bike for go-fast rides or off-roading.  

As a roady, my bikes then to lean towards the "go-fast" route and weigh 
between 15 to 19lbs. However, being the "fat guy" in the group, it really 
doesn't matter how light my bikes are as the engine is still weak. But I'm 
working on it.

Otherwise, if you really can't have more than one bike, I agree that two or 
more wheelsets is the way to go! 

Good Luck! 

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 10:45:25 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a 
> totally different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the 
> bike's versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to 
> experiment with compass tires... interesting. 
>>
>>
> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love 
> the hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply 
> sentimental about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the 
> most practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost 
> immediately regrettable. 
>
> ill try to answer some of the questions.
> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice 
> carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i 
> have felt like im slowing them down. 
> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
> frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Justin August]

Drew-
While I tend to advocate for not buying new things, making what you have work, 
etc…
You could also:
Sell everything.
Buy a new 650b Atlantis
2 wheel sets:
1) 36hole Atlas Rims with 650b x 2.1 tires
2) 32hole Pacenti brevet rims with 650b x 42/48 tires (Compass EL)

Then you get a new bike, new wheels and the versatility that you desire.
-J

On May 30, 2017, 10:45 AM -0700, drew , wrote:

> All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a totally 
> different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the bike's 
> versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to experiment 
> with compass tires... interesting.
>
> In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love the 
> hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply sentimental 
> about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the most practical 
> in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost immediately 
> regrettable.
>
> ill try to answer some of the questions.
> -my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice carbon 
> or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i have felt 
> like im slowing them down.
> -i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
> frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

All good advice. While i had considered a set of different tires, a totally 
different wheelset+tires seems like it would do more to access the bike's 
versatility in a convenient way. and then i'd have an excuse to experiment 
with compass tires... interesting. 
>
>
In reality, the sam may be better suited to my actual needs, but i love the 
hunq more, and i find that touring with a bike leaves me deeply sentimental 
about our relationship and time together, even if it isnt the most 
practical in non-touring times. Selling it, i fear, would be almost 
immediately regrettable. 

ill try to answer some of the questions.
-my roady friends aren't super roady, but a few have invested in nice 
carbon or titanium bikes. when we ride, it isnt for speed or time, but i 
have felt like im slowing them down. 
-i also have a 1985 trek 870, and a miyata mixte also a 91 stumpjumper 
frame. none of them are essential or get ridden very much.




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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Eric Karnes]

I'm actually in the process of pairing down to one bike at the moment due to 
space constraints. I live in the city and don't do any significant rugged trail 
riding, so a rig very much like Chris's Rambler is perfect for all my riding. 
But if I rode more rough stuff, the Hunq with two wheelsets would be on my 
shortlist.

Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Justin August]

Chris-
Which Bantam built machine would you choose? Rambler or Adventure bike?



On May 30, 2017, 10:23 AM -0700, Pondero , wrote:
> I also like Justin's extra wheelset idea.  Brilliant!  The Hunq is versatile, 
> so why not take full advantage of it?  Sure, it is easier to grab a different 
> bike for a purpose, but changing out wheels is a relatively simple task.  I'm 
> convinced I could (if forced) to get down to a single bike, but I'd probably 
> beg for at least one extra wheelset.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Pondero]

I also like Justin's extra wheelset idea.  Brilliant!  The Hunq is 
versatile, so why not take full advantage of it?  Sure, it is easier to 
grab a different bike for a purpose, but changing out wheels is a 
relatively simple task.  I'm convinced I could (if forced) to get down to a 
single bike, but I'd probably beg for at least one extra wheelset.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Jon BALER]

Reload Basket Bag. 
-Cheaper than Swift
-Holds more than Swift
-No zipper to break or leak

https://www.reloadbags.com/category-s/2047.htm

I put some ball bungees on the top of my basket, and they keep the bag 
closed and secure in the basket. The bungees keep the rolled top bag closed 
and relatively water tight.  When loading the bag, simply stretch the 
bungees around the perimeter.


On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:05:40 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> I own a Swift Sugarloaf and I love it! The best words that I would use to 
> describe it are practical and useful. I use it primarily with my Sam in a 
> Wald 137. It is designed to work hand in glove with this set up. I love it 
> for its ability to hold my stuff and it's quick dismount when I want to 
> carry its contents inside. It has handy pockets inside for bike tools etc. 
> There is also a zipped outside front pocket and a magnetic flap pocket on 
> the outside rear. I used it on one overnight camping trip and it was great 
> for that as well. Aesthetically I may give the nod to canvas bags but if 
> you are less concerned about using traditional materials and want a 
> practical bag for daily use I would highly recommend the Sugarloaf 

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Orc]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 8:14:18 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
>  The problems with converting [to 650b] is it would require moving the 
> canti posts and a repaint and it lowers your bottom bracket (pedal strike).
>

Yes and no.  I converted my Trek 1000 to 650b a few years ago and have 
ridden it almost exclusively (I there was a week after a sidewall tear when 
I had to use a H*tr* until the next shipment of Confreries arrived from 
xxcycle) with 32 & 25mm tires -- maybe 5000 miles? -- and I think I've 
maybe had two pedal strikes.If the plan is to embrace your inner 
fatbike, what the ERD took away will be given back by the tire diameter.

And moving the canti posts is just a hour or so with hacksaw, file, torch, 
and a new pair of posts because hacksawing the old posts off destroys them 
(or you could pay a framebuilder to stick the new posts on instead.)

-david parsons

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Broccoli Cog]

I own a Swift Sugarloaf and I love it! The best words that I would use to 
describe it are practical and useful. I use it primarily with my Sam in a Wald 
137. It is designed to work hand in glove with this set up. I love it for its 
ability to hold my stuff and it's quick dismount when I want to carry its 
contents inside. It has handy pockets inside for bike tools etc. There is also 
a zipped outside front pocket and a magnetic flap pocket on the outside rear. I 
used it on one overnight camping trip and it was great for that as well. 
Aesthetically I may give the nod to canvas bags but if you are less concerned 
about using traditional materials and want a practical bag for daily use I 
would highly recommend the Sugarloaf 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[Justin, Oakland]

Not to over judge your plan BUT...
If you are building this up to be a "cruiser-ish" ride that your partner 
can use on the weekends, I would not build your second bike to go "faster" 
if you plan to ride together. It sounds like you ride more than they do. I 
have found that you may be on the end of some bad feelings and reluctance 
to ride if the plan is to ride these bikes together. Only speaking from my 
experience but it's something to think about!

Another option is to think about the MAP/Ahearne bar. I have it on my 
Saluki and my wife's Betty Foy. It's cruiser-ish enough to go slow and 
aggressive enough to dig in and go hard (and even offload!) when needed.

-Justin, happily cycling with his partner in Oakland, CA

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 8:02:27 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:
>
> Ha.  Fair enough...  Realistically I will still ride it more than her. 
>  I'm moving by the beach so I want this set up as my day to day commuter 
> and grocery bike that she can then ride on the weekends.  B/c I'll probably 
> be figuring out another bike for myself with a "faster" setup, I like the 
> idea of pushing this in the choco norm / albatross direction.  
>
> Fair point about the shifting but I figure if all she ever knows is 
> friction...  
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:32:36 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Well, I think you really need to decide who you are doing this for first, 
>> because you say you GF is going to ride it, But seem to be making choices 
>> based on what YOU like!?
>> If it was for you I would second the Albastache recommendation, but if 
>> it's for the GF, I'd go Albatross.  I've had both on my Atlantis and while 
>> I prefer the stache, but if it was for someone who apparently does not ride 
>> a lot the Albatross would be better. 
>> Along those lines, Silver shifters are great, but honestly some sort of 
>> index shifter option might be better, depends a little on the GF.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Shoji Takahashi]

Here's Cass Gilbert's review of the Sugarloaf:
http://www.bikepacking.com/gear/swift-sugarloaf-review/

I use Medium ShopSack for commuting; it works great. My only complaint is 
occasional water entry during heavy rains. (Solved that with a few plastic 
bags that're always in my bag to keep the contents dry, if necessary.) I 
use a cargo net to keep it in the basket. 

Good luck!
shoji



On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-4, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Hello all!
> I hope everyone had a great weekend of riding. I did!
> I'm looking to bring my basket to a more organized place. The old bungie 
> and random bag move is growing tired and I'm interested in either the 
> Sackville Shopsack or the  Swift Sugarloaf for my medium wald. Plenty of 
> glowing opinions on the Sackville but I haven't been able to find much on 
> the Swift Sugarloaf. Anyone have any knowledge to drop on my head?
>

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack or Sugarloaf

[Jeremy Tavan]

I have and love a waxed canvas Sugarloaf bag. It makes me sad that they no 
longer offer the waxed canvas option. It's an expensive little bag, but has 
a lot of good organization pockets on the inside - there's a lot more work 
that goes into making it than goes into a simple sack-type bag. It has a 
zipper pocket on one internal side, and a divided open-top flap pocket on 
the other internal side. I use it for my commute, and fit 1-2 
(ultraportable, tiny) laptops, limited change of clothes, and all my 
electronic doodads in it. It's a tight fit, but it works, and the bag 
attaches to the basket easily and securely. When I need to haul more, I use 
a R.E.Load basket bag with its greater height and capacity.

Hope this helps,
/Jeremy

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 9:14:26 AM UTC-7, Davey Two Shoes wrote:
>
> Hello all!
> I hope everyone had a great weekend of riding. I did!
> I'm looking to bring my basket to a more organized place. The old bungie 
> and random bag move is growing tired and I'm interested in either the 
> Sackville Shopsack or the  Swift Sugarloaf for my medium wald. Plenty of 
> glowing opinions on the Sackville but I haven't been able to find much on 
> the Swift Sugarloaf. Anyone have any knowledge to drop on my head?
>

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[RBW] shopsack or sugarloaf

[Davey Two Shoes]

Hello all!
I hope everyone had a great weekend of riding. I did!
I'm looking to bring my basket to a more organized place. The old bungie 
and random bag move is growing tired and I'm interested in either the 
Sackville Shopsack or the  Swift Sugarloaf for my medium wald. Plenty of 
glowing opinions on the Sackville but I haven't been able to find much on 
the Swift Sugarloaf. Anyone have any knowledge to drop on my head?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/GCoIjcy.png[/img]

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[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne 55cm

[Carla Waugh]

As an OKC/Norman Sam owner good luck and I hope it goes to a great home!

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[Philip Kim]

not really. i guess the "curves" area is where i probably could touch the 
bar end cables, but when riding in that position, i let my palms rest and 
didn't wrap my fingers around the bar. it worked fine, any hairy handling 
required wasn't going to come from that hand position anyways.

if you like to wrap your fingers are the bar, then you could have the bar 
end cables go through on top of the bars and give it more cable to give you 
some space. i did that for awhile, but liked the way i set it up better.

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:30:14 AM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Philip,
>
> I was trying to set mine up the way you have it and worried that the cable 
> might get in the way when I grab the front curves of the bar.  Has that 
> been a problem for you with this set up?
>
> John
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 8:14:56 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> here's a picture to better show what i mean
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:13:21 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> microshift are great as all of them have friction options as well as 
>>> index options.
>>>
>>> i really like paul thumbies and shimano bar ends, and running them 
>>> inverted, so the thumb levers side beside the bar and not on top of the 
>>> bar. allows your handlebars to be relatively free
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, jjss wrote:

 Thanks for the great replies!  

 As I think about it and talk to a few folks I do keep hearing arguments 
 against the bar ends on this setup.  So now the next question is, if I go 
 with thumb shifters, what should I get?

 If I'm most interested in the best function and happy with friction, 
 what would folks suggest?  Silvershifters on the Paul mounts?  IRD? 
  Microshift?  I like the idea of being able to shift the back to index but 
 I care most about super smooth action and functionality on the upright 
 bars.  

 Thanks!

 On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:34:46 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Couple of thoughts:
>
> Think again about thumbies.  On upright / flat bars, IME, thumbies 
> are more natural & intuitive.  Another consideration is the sticking out 
> bar ends get in the way sometimes.  You can check to see if Paul's 
> thumbie 
> adapters will work with Silvers but they work with the levers for Shimano 
> bar ends.  
>
> Check out Ergon's line of handlebar grips.  The basic GP-1 is great 
> for casual riding:
>
> http://www.ergon-bike.com/en/product.html?a=griffe
>
> About $30 at REI & maybe less somewhere on Amazon.  Have used these 
> for years & love 'em.  Comfort is king.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:
>>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I'm about to rebuild my Atlantis as more of a cruiser partly so I can 
>> use it for more of a cruising around bike and partly b/c my girlfriend 
>> will 
>> ride it and I think she might like this configuration better since she's 
>> not a big rider.  I'm attaching a pic of my current configuration which 
>> has 
>> served me well for quite a while  in New York City and LA.  It's a clear 
>> coat over the frame.  One of the early ones that riv did like this, I 
>> believe.
>>
>> I'm going to list my plans below w/ questions and I'd love any good 
>> spirited ideas for how to improve on my plans.  Interested and both 
>> functional and aesthetic input!  Thanks so much!!
>>
>>
>>- Change Bars to Choco Norm bars.
>>   - Which orientation should i use?
>>   - Any reason not to go with these?
>>
>>
>>- Replace shifter with Silver Shifters
>>   - I've just always wanted these.  Was thinking of using 
>>   thumbies but I'm a sucker for the simplicity of barends.
>>- Need new brake levers
>>   - Probably will go with the silver shimano mtb levers.  Anyone 
>>   have  a strong recommendation for how to improve on this choice?  
>>- New cabling  (
>>
>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-metallic-braid-derailleur-cable-kits.html
>>)
>>   - thought this stuff looked pretty slick.  Any reason not to 
>>   go with it?  Other suggestions?
>>- New Skewers
>>   - As long as I'm making changes I want get some silver ones. 
>>Anybody got a recommendation for some cool ones to buy, new or 
>> old that 
>>   will go with the overall bike?
>>- New Cranks etc
>>   - Hoping for something to protect the pant legs from grease 
>>   since this will be used for tooling around
>>   - Was going to go with these:  
>>   
>> 

[RBW] Re: To shim or not to shim?

[Eli Queen]

This is the method I've used to insert shims (which -- as others have said 
-- work great once installed) as well as handlebars.

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/inserting-a-handlebar-into-a-stem/

It works perfectly, and the little nut/bolt/dime jig holds the stem open so 
you have both hands free to position the shim.

I haven't found the that the masking tape is always necessary.

Hope this helps,
Eli

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Kieran J]

Congrats on your burgeoning family, Drew. I don't have any kids so I don't 
have first-hand experience with that journey but I DO know that I like 
having a quick bike in addition to my commuter-type one. 

I might echo David's thought on keeping the Hunq and keeping/adding a fasty 
bike? Even a cheap old Trek or some such might be a nice thing to have 
around. Even if you're strapped for time with a baby, a 15-minute toot to 
get some air might be nice. Dunno what vintage bikes you already have that 
you don't care about keeping - so maybe it's a moot point anyways. 

KJ


On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 9:46:43 AM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I had my first kid nearly a couple years ago, and the second is due 
> shortly. My biking priorities and types of rides changed drastically with 
> an infant. I think the Hunq would be great as a kid hauler/city-commuter.
> If you're going to do road rides, I'd suggest keeping the Hunq, sell 
> everything else, and maybe consider a more road-specific frame like the 
> Black Mountain Road. 
> If you had to only have one bike though, I do think a 650b Atlantis would 
> be the most versatile.
> All that said, Option #3 - keep all until shit hits the fan - is what I 
> typically do when it comes to need to sell bike-related stuff.
> David
> contemplating front & rear child seats on a Clem in River Grove, IL
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:55:17 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>>
>> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
>> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
>> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
>> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
>> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>>
>> Would you-
>>
>> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
>> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
>> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
>> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
>> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>>
>> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
>> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
>> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
>> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
>> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
>> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>>
>> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come 
>> up.
>>
>> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
>> problems in your life.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[Surlyprof]

Philip,

I was trying to set mine up the way you have it and worried that the cable 
might get in the way when I grab the front curves of the bar.  Has that 
been a problem for you with this set up?

John

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 8:14:56 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> here's a picture to better show what i mean
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:13:21 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> microshift are great as all of them have friction options as well as 
>> index options.
>>
>> i really like paul thumbies and shimano bar ends, and running them 
>> inverted, so the thumb levers side beside the bar and not on top of the 
>> bar. allows your handlebars to be relatively free
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, jjss wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the great replies!  
>>>
>>> As I think about it and talk to a few folks I do keep hearing arguments 
>>> against the bar ends on this setup.  So now the next question is, if I go 
>>> with thumb shifters, what should I get?
>>>
>>> If I'm most interested in the best function and happy with friction, 
>>> what would folks suggest?  Silvershifters on the Paul mounts?  IRD? 
>>>  Microshift?  I like the idea of being able to shift the back to index but 
>>> I care most about super smooth action and functionality on the upright 
>>> bars.  
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:34:46 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Couple of thoughts:

 Think again about thumbies.  On upright / flat bars, IME, thumbies 
 are more natural & intuitive.  Another consideration is the sticking out 
 bar ends get in the way sometimes.  You can check to see if Paul's thumbie 
 adapters will work with Silvers but they work with the levers for Shimano 
 bar ends.  

 Check out Ergon's line of handlebar grips.  The basic GP-1 is great for 
 casual riding:

 http://www.ergon-bike.com/en/product.html?a=griffe

 About $30 at REI & maybe less somewhere on Amazon.  Have used these for 
 years & love 'em.  Comfort is king.

 dougP

 On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:
>
> Hey all!
>
> I'm about to rebuild my Atlantis as more of a cruiser partly so I can 
> use it for more of a cruising around bike and partly b/c my girlfriend 
> will 
> ride it and I think she might like this configuration better since she's 
> not a big rider.  I'm attaching a pic of my current configuration which 
> has 
> served me well for quite a while  in New York City and LA.  It's a clear 
> coat over the frame.  One of the early ones that riv did like this, I 
> believe.
>
> I'm going to list my plans below w/ questions and I'd love any good 
> spirited ideas for how to improve on my plans.  Interested and both 
> functional and aesthetic input!  Thanks so much!!
>
>
>- Change Bars to Choco Norm bars.
>   - Which orientation should i use?
>   - Any reason not to go with these?
>
>
>- Replace shifter with Silver Shifters
>   - I've just always wanted these.  Was thinking of using 
>   thumbies but I'm a sucker for the simplicity of barends.
>- Need new brake levers
>   - Probably will go with the silver shimano mtb levers.  Anyone 
>   have  a strong recommendation for how to improve on this choice?  
>- New cabling  (
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-metallic-braid-derailleur-cable-kits.html
>)
>   - thought this stuff looked pretty slick.  Any reason not to go 
>   with it?  Other suggestions?
>- New Skewers
>   - As long as I'm making changes I want get some silver ones. 
>Anybody got a recommendation for some cool ones to buy, new or old 
> that 
>   will go with the overall bike?
>- New Cranks etc
>   - Hoping for something to protect the pant legs from grease 
>   since this will be used for tooling around
>   - Was going to go with these:  
>   
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cranks-bbs/products/sugino-xd2-wide-low-double-crank-40t-x-26t
>   - Anything else I should thing about here?
>- New Grips
>   - Need grips for the new bars. really don't know what to do 
>   here.
>   - Any reason not to go with these in Gum: 
>   
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/leather-goods-handlebar-grips/constructeur-rubber-grip.html
>
>   - My local bike store loves these:  
>   https://www.amazon.com/ESI-Grips-MTB-COL-Chunky-Grip/dp/B00554FMUY
>   - anything else I should look at?
>- Coating / paint
>   - I love the clear coat but I'm buy the beach and I've seen 

[RBW] Re: Albastache Setup Question.

[Jeremy Tavan]

This may be of less use because a very different application, but I tried 
the Albastache (briefly) with regular non-aero drop levers and just didn't 
feel confident on them, so I worked out with my shop this alternative take 
on the Albastache: reverse brake levers, long rubber BMX grips, 
cut-down-and-rubber-capped Silver shifter as a thumb shifter, and Dia Compe 
tandem stoker hand rests. I'm very pleased with this setup for my commuter 
bike. Good access to brakes from both the most-upright position and the 
more-stretched-out cruising position right on the start of the curves.

https://cl.ly/053y3W2c3T1r

/Jeremy

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> For those with albastache setups, how wide do you position brake levers? 
> Specifically, I'll be using Shimano aero levers, how wide from hood tip to 
> hood tip?
> Build in process here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BUk3fHaBh3G/
> BMC Monstercross with big ol' tires. 
> David

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[RBW] Re: Albastache Setup Question.

[Surlyprof]

I also went by feel.  I've got the drilled TRP levers 
(https://www.rivbike.com/collections/braking/products/tektro-trp-rrl-sr-brake-levers-silver-drilled-alloy-gum-hoods-15180)
 
flipped upside down as suggested by the group and love them.  I just 
measured them and they have 250mm of space between the hoods.  I also like 
to angle the bars down quite a bit and, therefore, tend to tip the hoods 
down quite a bit.

John

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> For those with albastache setups, how wide do you position brake levers? 
> Specifically, I'll be using Shimano aero levers, how wide from hood tip to 
> hood tip?
> Build in process here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BUk3fHaBh3G/
> BMC Monstercross with big ol' tires. 
> David

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[Philip Kim]

here's a picture to better show what i mean




On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:13:21 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> microshift are great as all of them have friction options as well as index 
> options.
>
> i really like paul thumbies and shimano bar ends, and running them 
> inverted, so the thumb levers side beside the bar and not on top of the 
> bar. allows your handlebars to be relatively free
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, jjss wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the great replies!  
>>
>> As I think about it and talk to a few folks I do keep hearing arguments 
>> against the bar ends on this setup.  So now the next question is, if I go 
>> with thumb shifters, what should I get?
>>
>> If I'm most interested in the best function and happy with friction, what 
>> would folks suggest?  Silvershifters on the Paul mounts?  IRD?  Microshift? 
>>  I like the idea of being able to shift the back to index but I care most 
>> about super smooth action and functionality on the upright bars.  
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:34:46 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Couple of thoughts:
>>>
>>> Think again about thumbies.  On upright / flat bars, IME, thumbies 
>>> are more natural & intuitive.  Another consideration is the sticking out 
>>> bar ends get in the way sometimes.  You can check to see if Paul's thumbie 
>>> adapters will work with Silvers but they work with the levers for Shimano 
>>> bar ends.  
>>>
>>> Check out Ergon's line of handlebar grips.  The basic GP-1 is great for 
>>> casual riding:
>>>
>>> http://www.ergon-bike.com/en/product.html?a=griffe
>>>
>>> About $30 at REI & maybe less somewhere on Amazon.  Have used these for 
>>> years & love 'em.  Comfort is king.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:

 Hey all!

 I'm about to rebuild my Atlantis as more of a cruiser partly so I can 
 use it for more of a cruising around bike and partly b/c my girlfriend 
 will 
 ride it and I think she might like this configuration better since she's 
 not a big rider.  I'm attaching a pic of my current configuration which 
 has 
 served me well for quite a while  in New York City and LA.  It's a clear 
 coat over the frame.  One of the early ones that riv did like this, I 
 believe.

 I'm going to list my plans below w/ questions and I'd love any good 
 spirited ideas for how to improve on my plans.  Interested and both 
 functional and aesthetic input!  Thanks so much!!


- Change Bars to Choco Norm bars.
   - Which orientation should i use?
   - Any reason not to go with these?


- Replace shifter with Silver Shifters
   - I've just always wanted these.  Was thinking of using thumbies 
   but I'm a sucker for the simplicity of barends.
- Need new brake levers
   - Probably will go with the silver shimano mtb levers.  Anyone 
   have  a strong recommendation for how to improve on this choice?  
- New cabling  (

 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-metallic-braid-derailleur-cable-kits.html
)
   - thought this stuff looked pretty slick.  Any reason not to go 
   with it?  Other suggestions?
- New Skewers
   - As long as I'm making changes I want get some silver ones. 
Anybody got a recommendation for some cool ones to buy, new or old 
 that 
   will go with the overall bike?
- New Cranks etc
   - Hoping for something to protect the pant legs from grease 
   since this will be used for tooling around
   - Was going to go with these:  
   
 https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cranks-bbs/products/sugino-xd2-wide-low-double-crank-40t-x-26t
   - Anything else I should thing about here?
- New Grips
   - Need grips for the new bars. really don't know what to do here.
   - Any reason not to go with these in Gum: 
   
 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/leather-goods-handlebar-grips/constructeur-rubber-grip.html

   - My local bike store loves these:  
   https://www.amazon.com/ESI-Grips-MTB-COL-Chunky-Grip/dp/B00554FMUY
   - anything else I should look at?
- Coating / paint
   - I love the clear coat but I'm buy the beach and I've seen some 
   bits of rust turn up.
   - Anyone know if there some kind of spray clear coat that I can 
   use to give it a once-over?  Just want to seal it up and I like the 
 rough 
   looking finish.

 Any other cool ideas?



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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Surlyprof]

I'm with Justin on the two wheelset solution.  I have that with my 
Hillborne and it provides a lot more versatility.  Lighter weight 32 hole 
Synergies with Barlow Pass ELs for the road and 36 hole A719s with 45 Smart 
Sams for trails.  If I was in your situation, I'd probably keep the Hunq. 
 As much as I love a big descent on the Sam in road mode, a Hunq would 
provide better mixed terrain capabilities (although I have ridden big 
trails on the Hillborne, it's not ideal).  You may want to get a set of 
CX-50 brakes for quicker wheel change out and something like this (designed 
by one of my past 
students) 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/409839826/offset-bicycle-wheel-storage 
 I can relate to the reduced space for bike storage.  It can become a tough 
issue requiring some creative solutions.

As for 650b, I agree with you.  I've tried the 650b Homer, Clem and Hunq at 
Riv and think it is the perfect size wheel for my size (5'10").  I've 
always thought 700 was unwieldy on trails but 26" were too small.  I think 
650b would be perfect without losing much on the road.  The problems with 
converting is it would require moving the canti posts and a repaint and it 
lowers your bottom bracket (pedal strike).  I talked to Will and Roman 
about this for the Hillborne.  At that point, buying new becomes more 
appealing but wipes out any gains from your sell off.  Maybe keep the Hunq, 
buy a second set of lighter wheels and get the 650b later?

Tough decisions but at least it's for a great reason.  Congratulations and 
good luck.

John


On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 6:55:17 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[Philip Kim]

microshift are great as all of them have friction options as well as index 
options.

i really like paul thumbies and shimano bar ends, and running them 
inverted, so the thumb levers side beside the bar and not on top of the 
bar. allows your handlebars to be relatively free

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, jjss wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great replies!  
>
> As I think about it and talk to a few folks I do keep hearing arguments 
> against the bar ends on this setup.  So now the next question is, if I go 
> with thumb shifters, what should I get?
>
> If I'm most interested in the best function and happy with friction, what 
> would folks suggest?  Silvershifters on the Paul mounts?  IRD?  Microshift? 
>  I like the idea of being able to shift the back to index but I care most 
> about super smooth action and functionality on the upright bars.  
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:34:46 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Couple of thoughts:
>>
>> Think again about thumbies.  On upright / flat bars, IME, thumbies are 
>> more natural & intuitive.  Another consideration is the sticking out bar 
>> ends get in the way sometimes.  You can check to see if Paul's thumbie 
>> adapters will work with Silvers but they work with the levers for Shimano 
>> bar ends.  
>>
>> Check out Ergon's line of handlebar grips.  The basic GP-1 is great for 
>> casual riding:
>>
>> http://www.ergon-bike.com/en/product.html?a=griffe
>>
>> About $30 at REI & maybe less somewhere on Amazon.  Have used these for 
>> years & love 'em.  Comfort is king.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all!
>>>
>>> I'm about to rebuild my Atlantis as more of a cruiser partly so I can 
>>> use it for more of a cruising around bike and partly b/c my girlfriend will 
>>> ride it and I think she might like this configuration better since she's 
>>> not a big rider.  I'm attaching a pic of my current configuration which has 
>>> served me well for quite a while  in New York City and LA.  It's a clear 
>>> coat over the frame.  One of the early ones that riv did like this, I 
>>> believe.
>>>
>>> I'm going to list my plans below w/ questions and I'd love any good 
>>> spirited ideas for how to improve on my plans.  Interested and both 
>>> functional and aesthetic input!  Thanks so much!!
>>>
>>>
>>>- Change Bars to Choco Norm bars.
>>>   - Which orientation should i use?
>>>   - Any reason not to go with these?
>>>
>>>
>>>- Replace shifter with Silver Shifters
>>>   - I've just always wanted these.  Was thinking of using thumbies 
>>>   but I'm a sucker for the simplicity of barends.
>>>- Need new brake levers
>>>   - Probably will go with the silver shimano mtb levers.  Anyone 
>>>   have  a strong recommendation for how to improve on this choice?  
>>>- New cabling  (
>>>
>>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-metallic-braid-derailleur-cable-kits.html
>>>)
>>>   - thought this stuff looked pretty slick.  Any reason not to go 
>>>   with it?  Other suggestions?
>>>- New Skewers
>>>   - As long as I'm making changes I want get some silver ones. 
>>>Anybody got a recommendation for some cool ones to buy, new or old 
>>> that 
>>>   will go with the overall bike?
>>>- New Cranks etc
>>>   - Hoping for something to protect the pant legs from grease since 
>>>   this will be used for tooling around
>>>   - Was going to go with these:  
>>>   
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cranks-bbs/products/sugino-xd2-wide-low-double-crank-40t-x-26t
>>>   - Anything else I should thing about here?
>>>- New Grips
>>>   - Need grips for the new bars. really don't know what to do here.
>>>   - Any reason not to go with these in Gum: 
>>>   
>>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/leather-goods-handlebar-grips/constructeur-rubber-grip.html
>>>
>>>   - My local bike store loves these:  
>>>   https://www.amazon.com/ESI-Grips-MTB-COL-Chunky-Grip/dp/B00554FMUY
>>>   - anything else I should look at?
>>>- Coating / paint
>>>   - I love the clear coat but I'm buy the beach and I've seen some 
>>>   bits of rust turn up.
>>>   - Anyone know if there some kind of spray clear coat that I can 
>>>   use to give it a once-over?  Just want to seal it up and I like the 
>>> rough 
>>>   looking finish.
>>>
>>> Any other cool ideas?
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[jjss]

Ha.  Fair enough...  Realistically I will still ride it more than her.  I'm 
moving by the beach so I want this set up as my day to day commuter and 
grocery bike that she can then ride on the weekends.  B/c I'll probably be 
figuring out another bike for myself with a "faster" setup, I like the idea 
of pushing this in the choco norm / albatross direction.  

Fair point about the shifting but I figure if all she ever knows is 
friction...  

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:32:36 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> Well, I think you really need to decide who you are doing this for first, 
> because you say you GF is going to ride it, But seem to be making choices 
> based on what YOU like!?
> If it was for you I would second the Albastache recommendation, but if 
> it's for the GF, I'd go Albatross.  I've had both on my Atlantis and while 
> I prefer the stache, but if it was for someone who apparently does not ride 
> a lot the Albatross would be better. 
> Along those lines, Silver shifters are great, but honestly some sort of 
> index shifter option might be better, depends a little on the GF.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[jjss]

Thanks for the great replies!  

As I think about it and talk to a few folks I do keep hearing arguments 
against the bar ends on this setup.  So now the next question is, if I go 
with thumb shifters, what should I get?

If I'm most interested in the best function and happy with friction, what 
would folks suggest?  Silvershifters on the Paul mounts?  IRD?  Microshift? 
 I like the idea of being able to shift the back to index but I care most 
about super smooth action and functionality on the upright bars.  

Thanks!

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 1:34:46 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Couple of thoughts:
>
> Think again about thumbies.  On upright / flat bars, IME, thumbies are 
> more natural & intuitive.  Another consideration is the sticking out bar 
> ends get in the way sometimes.  You can check to see if Paul's thumbie 
> adapters will work with Silvers but they work with the levers for Shimano 
> bar ends.  
>
> Check out Ergon's line of handlebar grips.  The basic GP-1 is great for 
> casual riding:
>
> http://www.ergon-bike.com/en/product.html?a=griffe
>
> About $30 at REI & maybe less somewhere on Amazon.  Have used these for 
> years & love 'em.  Comfort is king.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-7, jjss wrote:
>>
>> Hey all!
>>
>> I'm about to rebuild my Atlantis as more of a cruiser partly so I can use 
>> it for more of a cruising around bike and partly b/c my girlfriend will 
>> ride it and I think she might like this configuration better since she's 
>> not a big rider.  I'm attaching a pic of my current configuration which has 
>> served me well for quite a while  in New York City and LA.  It's a clear 
>> coat over the frame.  One of the early ones that riv did like this, I 
>> believe.
>>
>> I'm going to list my plans below w/ questions and I'd love any good 
>> spirited ideas for how to improve on my plans.  Interested and both 
>> functional and aesthetic input!  Thanks so much!!
>>
>>
>>- Change Bars to Choco Norm bars.
>>   - Which orientation should i use?
>>   - Any reason not to go with these?
>>
>>
>>- Replace shifter with Silver Shifters
>>   - I've just always wanted these.  Was thinking of using thumbies 
>>   but I'm a sucker for the simplicity of barends.
>>- Need new brake levers
>>   - Probably will go with the silver shimano mtb levers.  Anyone 
>>   have  a strong recommendation for how to improve on this choice?  
>>- New cabling  (
>>
>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-metallic-braid-derailleur-cable-kits.html
>>)
>>   - thought this stuff looked pretty slick.  Any reason not to go 
>>   with it?  Other suggestions?
>>- New Skewers
>>   - As long as I'm making changes I want get some silver ones. 
>>Anybody got a recommendation for some cool ones to buy, new or old 
>> that 
>>   will go with the overall bike?
>>- New Cranks etc
>>   - Hoping for something to protect the pant legs from grease since 
>>   this will be used for tooling around
>>   - Was going to go with these:  
>>   
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cranks-bbs/products/sugino-xd2-wide-low-double-crank-40t-x-26t
>>   - Anything else I should thing about here?
>>- New Grips
>>   - Need grips for the new bars. really don't know what to do here.
>>   - Any reason not to go with these in Gum: 
>>   
>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/leather-goods-handlebar-grips/constructeur-rubber-grip.html
>>
>>   - My local bike store loves these:  
>>   https://www.amazon.com/ESI-Grips-MTB-COL-Chunky-Grip/dp/B00554FMUY
>>   - anything else I should look at?
>>- Coating / paint
>>   - I love the clear coat but I'm buy the beach and I've seen some 
>>   bits of rust turn up.
>>   - Anyone know if there some kind of spray clear coat that I can 
>>   use to give it a once-over?  Just want to seal it up and I like the 
>> rough 
>>   looking finish.
>>
>> Any other cool ideas?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Albastache Setup Question.

[masmojo]

I've kinda gone by feel really, but basically I try to follow the flow of the 
bars to the hoods and keep the tips of the levers from sticking out. The tops 
of the hoods should point back just a hair, just to the point were you can ride 
on them comfortably, but not too inboard. I also like to be able to just hook 
my index finger over the end of the lever if I am back on the "flats".
As deacon said, ride them for 10 or 20 miles before you wrap the bars; move'em 
around a little til they suit you. 
Also, just me, but I swap the right & left levers so that the tip of the lever 
drops doen rather then up it's a much more natural position, the downside is 
that the cable housing exits the lever on the top side of the bar rather then 
the bottom, but it's very close to the stem in a place were you don't put you 
hands much.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Rebuild Ideas

[masmojo]

Well, I think you really need to decide who you are doing this for first, 
because you say you GF is going to ride it, But seem to be making choices based 
on what YOU like!?
If it was for you I would second the Albastache recommendation, but if it's for 
the GF, I'd go Albatross.  I've had both on my Atlantis and while I prefer the 
stache, but if it was for someone who apparently does not ride a lot the 
Albatross would be better. 
Along those lines, Silver shifters are great, but honestly some sort of index 
shifter option might be better, depends a little on the GF.

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Deacon Patrick]

How much would a set of the Snoqualmie Pass ELs mitigate the challenge of 
overcoming the acceleration inertia of a larger tire? Or convert the Hunqa 
to 650b and put the Switchback Hills on there? The frame isn't the issue, 
the wheel/tire size weight is the issue. Several ways to mitigate that and 
have the Hunq, which will give you many more long term options over your 
cycling need life.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 11:45:24 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> Hunq in the city is comfy and fun, but can be hard to keep up with friends 
> on roadier bikes. Big 29er tires and wheels can make stopping and starting 
> and climbing a bit of a boar. Minor complaints, I know. Keeping it is 
> definitely the thing that makes the most sense.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: IRD Defiant Compact Road Double Cranks

[Gideon Tsang]

Cool. They're yours! The only thing is it'll take a few days before I ship.
I'm waiting for some shorter cranks that I bought off the group. I'll try
to get to the shop by the end of the week to have em pulled off and
cleaned.

If you're ok with that go ahead and PayPal kobets...@gmail.com. Once I
receive payment, I'll take the listing off.

Thanks!
Gideon


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Gideon Tsang  wrote:

> These are 94 BCD
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:00:25 AM UTC-5, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> I call dibs if they are the 94bcd and not the 110bcd.
>>
>> -J
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[RBW] FS: Parts Bin Purge Nitto B132 Rando Setup, 650b A23 Rims, Older Cranks w/ new Rings, Wheelsets 650b/700c

[David Banzer]

Crosspost from iBOB, doing a major garage clean up and lots of stuff has to 
go.
Paypal Personal please.
Shipping is NOT included in prices. I prefer using Priority mail, but can 
send First Class for smaller items. Wheelsets will be sent with Bike 
Flights.
Contact offlist if interested.
Local pickup works. I'm in River Grove, IL.
Chainring sizes on cranksets can be swapped out for other sizes that I have.
Thanks,
David


1. Nitto B132 Rando Bar Setup - 44cm wide bar, Shimano Tiagra brake levers, 
Soma Shotwell polished silver threadless stem, +/- 10degrees, 11cm, red 
Newbaums cloth tape (clear shellacked) - $75

2. MKS Sylvan Pedals - silver, standard version - $15

3. Sake CR Double Crankset - technically a triple (takes removable inner 
spacers and nonstandard bolts which I don't have) setup as a 110bcd double 
with new Willow chainrings 46/34, used, there's some shoe rub/wear on the 
driveside arm - $40

4. Sugino Triple Crankset - older 80s crank 175mm, arms are kinda beat but 
tapers/threads are fine, setup with new Willow chainrings - 49/37/25 - $45

5. Suntour Mountech ATB/Touring Derailleur Set - front triple, long cage 
rear, could be cleaned up a bit - $30

6. Shimano 600 50/39 Crankset - FC-6207, 170mm, 130bcd, setup with a new 
Willow 50t chainring and a lightly used 39t Shimano ring - $60

7. Shimano 600 Road Double 50/38 Crankset - FC-6207, 175mm, 130bcd, setup 
with a new Willow 50t chainring and a lightly used REAL (brand) 38t 
chainring and new Sugino chainring bolts - $60

8. Shimano Dura Ace 42t Single Crankset - FC-7400, 175mm, 130bcd, setup 
with a  TA 42t chainring (red anodized) and a TA F15 chainguard - $70

9. Velocity A23 650b Rims - polished silver, new, 36h, pair - $100

10. Vee Rubber V12 Tires - 29x1.95", folding bead, used lots of tread left 
- $40

11. Soma Oxford Handlebars - bar ends shortened about 3cm, does not take 
bar end shifters/levers - $20

12. SKS P45 Fenders - original, non-mudflap version for 700c, used - $20

13. 700c Wheelset - Alex DM18 rims, presta, older version w/ eyelets, 
25.4mm outer width, Shimano Deore rear hub (no skewer), 135mm, 7-speed 
HG/UG freehub, front Formula non-branded polished silver high flange 
cartridge bearing hub (bolt-on, hollow axle can be shortened to use skewer) 
- $80

14. 650b Wheelset - Rigida Zac 19 rims, presta, same extrusion I believe as 
Weinmann version but these have double eyelets, 36h, rear Shimano Parallax 
hub (no skewer), missing outer rubber bearing cover, front Formula 
non-branded polished silver high flange cartridge bearing hub (axle 
originally was bolt-on, but is hollow so I shortened axle and used a quick 
release skewer, no skewer included) - $80

21. Schwalbe Smart Sam Tires - pair, 26x2.1, folding bead version, low 
miles - $45

22. Scwalbe Furious Fred Tires - pair, 29x2.0, low miles as well - $50

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Re: [RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

Keith: how do you like the Colossal Ti? What sort of riding do you do with
it -- is it pavement only?

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Keith Muller  wrote:

> So I have 5 bikes at the moment.
>
> Hunqapillar w/ bullmoose bars
> Atlantis w/ albastache bars
> Appaloosa w/ albatross bars
> Salsa Vaya Travel w/ drop bars
> Salsa Colosal Ti w/ drop bars
>
> My Hunqapillar is by far my favorite bike I own/have owned!  Every time I
> get on it, it just feels so magical!  Taking my Hunqapillar for a ride
> erases a bad day!  I always say if I could only have one bike, it'd be my
> Hunqapillar.  I would say keep the Hunqapillar and Sam and sell the other
> ones if you have to.  Maybe us the Sam as a display in the baby's room.  2
> birds 1 stone.
>
> Selling bikes sucks!  Especially with the circumstances.
>
> Congrats on the baby coming.
>
> Keith
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[RBW] Re: FS: IRD Defiant Compact Road Double Cranks

[Gideon Tsang]

These are 94 BCD

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 2:00:25 AM UTC-5, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> I call dibs if they are the 94bcd and not the 110bcd. 
>
> -J
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Re: [RBW] On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Patrick Moore]

My response, learned late after many other responses, would be  to sell any
that you are dissatisfied with but keep any that you really like, even if
you haven't used them much recently. IME, as soon as you sell something you
like, you'll find that you really, really did want it and will go out and
get another one like it and spend more money than you made selling the one
sold. OTOH, if you keep something you really don't care fore, you'll later
if not sooner sell it anyway,  and probably replace it, too.

As to 1 keeper or more than one, if you've already acquired 4 bikes, I
suspect your riding needs would not be well satisfied with just one.

Tastes and wants change. I've been through enough bikes in my life that I
now know what I want and what I don't, and my wants are 95% satisfied with
my present 4, but even I have 1 more that I'd like to get.

Storage would seem to be your biggest problem, but you can store many bikes
in surprisingly small spaces. My next door neighbor has one of those
small-house (we're a neighborhood largely of duplexes; *nice* duplexes in a
bosque infill) 2 compact car garages; he's got stuff stored at front and
west side; and he manages to store 7 bikes (at last count; he may have
bought another one since I last counted) including a partially disassembled
whatchamacallit, one of those bolt on long tail cargo bikes, while still
storing a VW hatchback and a small Lexus. I hang 4 bikes vertically from my
east wall and have shelving and hanging tools and big plastic waste and
recycling bins on the westside, and in the past I've squeezed 2 cars (old
Taurus and even older Voyager) into the garage, though it was like
threading a fine needle.


On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 7:55 PM, drew  wrote:

> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either.
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all
> problems in your life.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[David Banzer]

I had my first kid nearly a couple years ago, and the second is due 
shortly. My biking priorities and types of rides changed drastically with 
an infant. I think the Hunq would be great as a kid hauler/city-commuter.
If you're going to do road rides, I'd suggest keeping the Hunq, sell 
everything else, and maybe consider a more road-specific frame like the 
Black Mountain Road. 
If you had to only have one bike though, I do think a 650b Atlantis would 
be the most versatile.
All that said, Option #3 - keep all until shit hits the fan - is what I 
typically do when it comes to need to sell bike-related stuff.
David
contemplating front & rear child seats on a Clem in River Grove, IL

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:55:17 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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[RBW] Where's Brian?

[RichS]

Yesterday I noticed Rivendell's Brian was no longer on the contact list nor 
was he included on the staff bikes page. Any clues as to why? Brian was 
always helpful and responsive to my questions. I'll miss him.

Thanks very much,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[RichS]

Hi Drew. Best wishes on your planned for growing family. If possible, keep 
both the Sam and the Hunq and your bicycle needs will likely be met for 
years to come. In my experience, your riding may diminish a bit for awhile 
but YMMV depending on your family situation. I don't think the single bike 
option of having an Atlantis would give you anything a Sam or Hunq by 
itself would provide - especially since you're not doing the hoped for dirt 
riding.

Best of luck!
Richard

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 9:55:17 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> Say you had a hunqapillar, a Sam and a couple vintage bikes. But mostly 
> the hunq and Sam got ridden and you felt like you lived a really nice bike 
> life. Then let's say you were trying to have a kid and you lived in a small 
> house and bike room could no longer be bike room. Let's also say that a few 
> extra dollars would be somewhat helpful.
>
> Would you-
>
> -sell all but the hunq because it is your favorite, despite the fact that 
> it's not the best for city road riding, which is likely more and more the 
> type of riding you'll be doing, and you never took it on dirt as much as 
> you dream about taking it on dirt anyway. But that's ok, maybe you should 
> embrace a more cruiserish build, and this one could be cool.
>
> -sell all and buy a 650b Atlantis which, in your head, feels somewhere 
> between Sam and hunq. You never were quite convinced about big 29er tires 
> on a 54cm hunq frame anyway, and this 650b thing looks like it's gonna 
> stickthough you've never tried it. Maybe you could get a custom color 
> and a couple extra braze ons and it would be fine to take on trails and 
> tour, and when not there, it wouldn't feel too sluggish on the road either. 
>
> -keep all until shit hits the fan and you need to unload as things come up.
>
> -realize that the one bike hypothesis is not practical and ignore all 
> problems in your life.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] To shim or not to shim?

[Patrick Moore]

I'm using Compass Maes bars at 25.4 in Nitto 26.0 stems with shims made
from thin brass stock; works very well. I have had and anticipate no
problems, and much easier to use than the Nitto shim, which I've also used.

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Sheldon Rothenberg 
wrote:

> I seek  wisdom on the mysteries of shims. I get that shims are a device
> that enable one to use different dimensioned handlebars for your bike. Does
> using one compromise safety or integrity? Would using one make it harder
> for a klutzy non-mechanic to remove handlebars for shipping and reinstall
> as in packing a bike for shipment and unpacking for the ride?
>
> The context is my preparing for an overseas bike camping trip. The
> moustache handlebars (handlbar mustache shaped)that are on my Rivendell
> All-Rounder are not very compatible with my Ortlieb handlebar bag. In
> looking for alternative handlebars that would give more clearance and  have
> slight drops  in-between road and mountain bars, I  found different but
> suitable bars from two sources. A Nitto model sold by Rivendell would
> require a shim. A one sold and made by Velo-Orange would not. In other
> words, should I make shim or non-shim a deciding factor or is it irrelevant
> in ease of packing and unpacking?
>
>
> Shelley
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[RBW] Re: What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Jim S.]

Thanks Patrick. I think this is a function of having a year to contemplate 
the build. Glad to be riding the thing.

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 2:53:51 PM UTC-5, Patrick Cronin wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> You scored with the matching bar tape and tires. Also digging the small 
> touches like the headset spacer in orange and the Paul skewers. 
>
> -Patrick
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 1:05:20 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> I attached a couple of photos. Picked it up Friday night. Rode Friday and 
>> Saturday. I'm delighted with this bike. The 43 mm tires are appropriate. 
>> Don't need anything bigger - the stoker is a skinny 12-year old who barely 
>> fits even with his seat post slammed. 
>>
>> Some reviews emphasize how "fun" this bike is. In some instances, when I 
>> hear that a bike is "fun" I think "slow and upright." It can be damning 
>> with faint praise, like when somebody wants to set you up with a girl with 
>> "a good personality." 
>>
>> This tandem is fun, but not in a slow and clunky way, or 
>> girl-with-a-good-personality way. I'm not claiming that we're especially 
>> strong riders, but we were buzzing around town much faster than we do when 
>> we ride separately. And then the fast riding feeds on itself. When I feel 
>> the kid pedaling hard, I pedal harder, and vice versa.
>>
>> This bike is fast enough that I am already contemplating a shift to 
>> albastache bars, as my hands were mostly out front in the "aero" position, 
>> and I'm wanting some brake levers to grab on to when I'm out there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 9:40:53 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
>>> We will have to see pictures of that combo Jim S.
>>> I saw that orange and it's wild. 
>>>
>>> I went with the Schwalbe Super Motos. They look like big fat motorcycle 
>>> tires. I'm looking forward to trying them out. I don't know how they'll 
>>> ride but they should wear really well. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] To shim or not to shim?

[Broccoli Cog]

I installed shims last night. I would describe them as fiddly. I ended up 
sliding the bars into position first and then slid each half in one at a time. 
I spread the stem with a large screw driver with one hand and used a plastic 
tire lever to push each half of the shims into position. Once in place they 
work just fine. In the context of your question I don't think I would want to 
do this in a travel situation. I would be more inclined to get the bar I wanted 
and then change the stem to a 25.4.

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[RBW] On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[EasyRider]

I'd keep the Hunqapillar. You will have so much fun pulling a trailer with it. 
Sam might be more versatile but it'll be easier to find and fund a Sam if you 
later regret selling yours. Or just store everything else at the homes of 
friends and relatives. :) 

Btw, what are the other two bikes?

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[RBW] Re: FS: WI Crankset 40/26 & Gilles Berthoud Aravis Saddle price drops

[Philip Kim]

WI Crankset sold.

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> These are 10 miles in
>
> WI crankset 165mm arms, 40/26t - $275 shipped
>
> Gilles Berthoud Aravis saddle, titanium rails - $250 shipped
>
> Nitto Pearl 70mm 26.0 clamp (has about 30 miles of use) - $40 shipped
>
>
> pictures of those HERE 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Les Lammers]

On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 1:45:24 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I don't think keeping both is in the cards, at least not for the long 
> haul. I could hold out, but eventually the Sam is gonna go.
>
> *Hunq in the city is comfy and fun, but can be hard to keep up with 
> friends on roadier bikes. Big 29er tires and wheels can make stopping and 
> starting and climbing a bit of a boar. Minor complaints, I know. Keeping it 
> is definitely the thing that makes the most sense.*  
>
> I'd like to think that a complete Sam, a hunq frame + extras, and 2 
> complete vintage bikes would more than cover a new Atlantis frame. Maybe 
> I'm being too optimistic, but that option doesn't seem like such a stretch 
> for my mind. 
>
> Chasing the dream bike does seem dubious. I do need reminding of that.
>
> Why not try something like the Continental Basketball tires on the Hunq? 
> I'm not sure a 650B Atlantis would help with keeping up with the guys 
> on road. If that's important wait and see what the Roadini looks like.
>

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Belopsky]

Everyone seems to have answered your questions, so the only one I have to 
add/answer is:

How roadie are your friends bikes and the rides? 

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[RBW] To shim or not to shim?

[Joe Bernard]

I'm with the PITA crowd. I detest the little buggers, and would never want to 
use them with a bar that needed to be removed and replaced several times. I 
have a 25.4-26.0 set that I must have bought to hit a free shipping price on a 
Riv order. I've never used them and can't imagine I ever will so they're also 
on the market for cheap. 

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Re: [RBW] To shim or not to shim?

[Ron Mc]

I've only used a handlebar shim once.  It was for an Ahearne Map bar in a 
Technomic stem.Certainly nothing scratched.  About all I remember was a 
little bit of fuss getting the top and bottom halves aligned evenly, since 
the shims were slightly wider than the stem.  



I'm also in the habit of spreading open stems with the big screwdriver 
blade before I insert bars, so maybe that helped.  

While I would say shims are something you wouldn't choose to do if you 
didn't need it, I don't otherwise see a downside to them.  They make a 
solid joint when done.  

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Joe Bernard]

It sounds to me like you think the Hunqapillar is great, and would be even 
better as a slightly less stout 650b bike. That's the Atlantis. Sell everything 
and buy the one bike you want. 

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[RBW] FS: IRD Defiant Compact Road Double Cranks

[Justin, Oakland]

I call dibs if they are the 94bcd and not the 110bcd. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[Justin, Oakland]

You could always build a nice city wheelset with a fat and fast tire on it. 
That way the hunq can stay. You're going to have the same speed issue on the 
Atlantis if you keep the same tire and wheel type. 650b wheels be tiresarent 
magically better due to the diameter, everything else being equal 


-J

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