[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Joe Bernard]

I suspect most of us have only used the old Phil freewheel hubs, so can't 
comment on the new stuff. I'm sure they're strong, but hoo boy the 
cost-to-weight ratio is ugly for the cassette version. 

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[Lum Gim Fong]

Man that sounds like a fun time!!!

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Re: [RBW] HHH Run?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Ride 35-38mm tires.
Bike height will drop. More SO clearance that way,

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 55cm Cheviot for sale in Sacramento area

[Joe Bernard]

I don't understand why a Riv owner - a notoriously reliable bunch for knowing 
their stuff - doesn't understand the drivetrain on the bike, nor explains the 
very noticeable tire mismatch. In the long run I don't actually care - anybody 
can sell a bike any way they want - but it popped up here and I commented on it 
cuz it reads a little shifty to me. If y'all are happy with it then good on ya. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Big Green Tractor

[Lum Gim Fong]

Just paint the head tube yellow and you are good to go.

Or, repaint the bike Deerescheme and have John Deere painted on the DT.

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[RBW] Re: Tapping DT cable stops

[Lum Gim Fong]

I have a similar problem:
My bije has cable stops on the DT and I wish there was an adapter one could put 
over a cable stop so you could use downtube shifters over the stops.

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[RBW] Re: Tapping DT cable stops

[Jim A]

This doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Have you seen Jagwire "Mickey" 
adjusters? 


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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv HHH Tandem (small)

[G.E.]

Besides posting the HHH here, you might try putting up a post on tandem 
classifieds  or the tandem club 
classifieds  (if you 
haven't already). Just a thought... you'll probably get more of a response 
here, but you never know.

On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 10:46:46 AM UTC-6, David Crowell wrote:
>
> Due to life changes, this bike has barely been ridden.  It's a small size 
> (Grant's recommendation: I'm 5'10", my wife, 5'1") blue-ish color.  SON 
> hub, rear disc brake, Schwalbe SuperMoto tires, Brooks saddles.  It's been 
> parked in my kitchen for nearly a year.  
>
> I don't have any pictures available right now, but can later, if there's 
> interest.
>
> I'll let it go for a steal.  $2500 firm.  I'm not sure about shipping - 
> it's too big.  I'm in Louisville, KY, and would be willing to haul it a 
> reasonable distance.
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Re: [RBW] HHH Run?

[G.E.]

My PBH is just shy of 77cm (just under 30in) and there is absolutely no 
extra room for stand over... I even lean the tandem a bit when stopped to 
keep me comfortable (and that's with 42mm tires). It only works because we 
both dismount at stops. It's truly too large for someone of my height and 
PBH, but it hasn't been a problem with starts or stops to date. The biggest 
issue is really when riding distance because it's just such a stretch. 
Ideally (for me anyway), the captain position would be smaller, but we've 
made it work. :)

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 8:51:58 PM UTC-6, Ginz wrote:
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> I could probably survive with a stand over of close to 30” but, with a 
> tandem, wouldn’t I want some more? To be able to dismount more easily? 
> Feels like it would be a lot to handle. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Big Green Tractor

[sameness]

AndI thought this thread was going to end up here: 
http://album.writeintent.fastmail.fm/pictures/dbapexcomplete1.jpg

(Peter Moore's erstwhile John Deere green Diamond Back Apex.)

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Big Green Tractor

[Justin, Oakland]

I thought this thread was going to end up here: 
https://bikeindex.org/bikes/29804

-J

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[RBW] Re: WTB: hub area bags

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

acquisition pending

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Re: [RBW] HHH Run?

[Ginz]

I could probably survive with a stand over of close to 30” but, with a tandem, 
wouldn’t I want some more? To be able to dismount more easily? Feels like it 
would be a lot to handle. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 55cm Cheviot for sale in Sacramento area

[Drw]

I don’t understand that sentence but the rest of the ad seems pretty normal and 
straightforward to me. 

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Re: [RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

In addition to those listed on Minoura's website, Minoura also offers this 
, that I used to clamp on my right fork blade to 
mount my battery-powered light on. The clamp is similar to that used on 
Spur Cycle's bell, so it's secure.


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> Minoura offers many options for doing this:
>
> http://www.minoura.jp/english/accessory/accessory.html 
>
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> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
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> Hijacking the thread only very slightly: does anyone have ideas for 
> mounting the Gino mount somewhere on or near the bar when you use a 
> Moustache bar with no place  to clamp a light on the bar itself, and no 
> fork leg bosses? I've got mine bolted to the right fork leg dropout boss, 
> but that's darned low and I'd prefer to mount it higher up.
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:44 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Get a Gino mount, which will put a “knob” on your rack that you can 
>> attach a light to.
>>
>> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/gino-light-mount/
>>
>> There are of course cheaper solutions out there as well, but the Gino is 
>> the gold standard.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
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>>
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 3:42 PM, ctifusion > > wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck 
>> using a USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to 
>> mount it to the front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal 
>> but I like the lower light position and not looking at the ugly light when 
>> I ride. Looked up those accessory bars but they all seem to have the same 
>> handlebar mount.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[Patrick Moore]

Tom and Erik: Thanks. No front rack, alas, and no stem, just a "mast" with
clamp on top for bar. (Dahon Hon Solo folder.)



On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:28 PM Erik Wright  wrote:

> I've used a wine cork as a mount by strapping the USB light's strap around
> the cork and attaching it to the rack. This isn't my photo, but it's the
> basic idea.
>
> On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 6:42:45 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck
>> using a USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to
>> mount it to the front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal
>> but I like the lower light position and not looking at the ugly light when
>> I ride. Looked up those accessory bars but they all seem to have the same
>> handlebar mount.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] HHH Run?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm height challenged with a 79 PBH, and the small fits using fatty rumpkin
tires.  The standover is not bad with a cm or two to spare (my 54 AHH has
less standover), but the bottom bracket is fairly low.  I don't have issues
with it, but I could see where it might cause issues.

Toshi


On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:34 AM Ginz  wrote:

> Looks like there may be another run of the HHH tandem, maybe possibly.
>
> Man, if they could do the Gus Boots curved top-tube to increase the
> standover for smaller riders (5'4"), I'd seriously consider buying one,
> hanging it in my basement and awaiting the growth of my kids.
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Re: [RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[Patrick Moore]

Excellent; thanks. I like the headset spacer. Problem solved.

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:23 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Minoura offers many options for doing this:
>
> http://www.minoura.jp/english/accessory/accessory.html
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> Hijacking the thread only very slightly: does anyone have ideas for
> mounting the Gino mount somewhere on or near the bar when you use a
> Moustache bar with no place  to clamp a light on the bar itself, and no
> fork leg bosses? I've got mine bolted to the right fork leg dropout boss,
> but that's darned low and I'd prefer to mount it higher up.
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:44 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Get a Gino mount, which will put a “knob” on your rack that you can
>> attach a light to.
>>
>> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/gino-light-mount/
>>
>> There are of course cheaper solutions out there as well, but the Gino is
>> the gold standard.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com
>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 3:42 PM, ctifusion  wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck
>> using a USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to
>> mount it to the front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal
>> but I like the lower light position and not looking at the ugly light when
>> I ride. Looked up those accessory bars but they all seem to have the same
>> handlebar mount.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[ctifusion]

Cool idea!

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[John Casteen]

I don't know the Quill, but have been really happy with my set of TB14s.  
For me, they've been what you were asking about: light-ish and fast.  Plus 
they do look snappy.  

This wheel set has been on two bikes-- an Appaloosa for commuting and 
around town, and a Sam for open road and gravel.  Perfect for both 
applications.  If I ever wear these out, I'd replace them with the same.  

Good luck with it--

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On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 7:18:28 PM UTC-4, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the feedback!  There's a lot to think about here.  I should 
> have mentioned that I already have the tires I'll be riding -- Vittoria G+ 
> Corsa Competition, 700c x 28.  I  really like them.
>
> Looks like no one has anything to say about the Phil hubs, which might be 
> saying a lot.  I think I'll go with the T11s.
>
> I'm still undecided on the Quill vs H Plus Son rims as I got good feedback 
> on both.  Think I'll have to toss a coin on this one.
>
> I really appreciate everyone taking the time to help with this decision. 
>  Thank you.
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 8:29:55 AM UTC-4, David Wadstrup wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I’m the proud owner of a beautiful, new-to-me Roadeo frameset that I 
>> recently purchased here from another group member.  My plan is to take my 
>> time building it up over the course of winter, with a May 1st goal of 
>> getting it out on the road.  As I am also the proud owner of a few other 
>> bikes(some Rivendells) I have a pretty specific, narrowly focused idea in 
>> mind regarding the Roadeo.  Essentially, I’d like it to be pared down 
>> accessory-wise, light and fast, with an 11 speed Shimano drivetrain and STI 
>> shifters.  Unlike my other bikes, I’d like this one to be a sort of one 
>> trick pony — light, fast and agile.  I’ll never mount racks or bags or even 
>> fenders on this bike(I have this covered with my other bikes.) For the most 
>> part, it’ll be a fair weather bike.  I may occasionally commute on it, but 
>> I won’t ever have the need for it to carry anything or to protect me or 
>> itself from foul weather.  
>>
>>
>> My I I ask for your help?  I’ve spent quite a bit of time researching 
>> component choices, but could use some real world, Riv based advice.  For 
>> the sake of ease, I thought it best that I divide this into a few different 
>> threads.  Today’s is wheels.  I’ll follow it up with brakes and bars and 
>> cranks, etc.
>>
>>
>> Here's what I've been thinking so far
>>
>>
>> I’ll be running 700c x 28 clinchers and will not ever have the need or 
>> desire to run anything larger than, say, 700c x 32. I’d like polished 
>> silver rims with polished silver hubs both with an aesthetic appropriate 
>> for this vintage/modern looking frame. I’ve narrowed my rim and hub choices 
>> down to 2, but am open to other suggestions should they meet my criteria. 
>>
>>
>>
>> Rims:
>>
>>
>> Velocity Quill. I really like Velocity rims, but have no experience with 
>> the Quills. They come in polished silver and seem to be Velocity’s best 
>> choice for a fast, light wheel build. I know a lot of people ride the A23s, 
>> but for some reason I’m just not interested in them. 
>>
>>
>> H Son Plus TB14. I’ve only just learned about these, but people on the 
>> internet seem to be very happy with them. They have the look I’m after and 
>> also seem to be a good choice for a light-ish fast wheelset.  I think 
>> I'm leaning toward these just to try out a different maker's rims, but am 
>> really torn and am hoping for a nudge in one direction of the other. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hubs:
>>
>>
>> White Industries T11, front and back. I have a rear MI5 on my AHH and 
>> really like it. They’re made here in the US which I like and they aren’t 
>> too noisy. I was pretty much settled on the T11s for this build, but then 
>> learned about
>>
>>
>> Phil’s road hubs. I also have a Phil rear touring hub which I also really 
>> like. In fact, it’s my favorite hub as it spins silently. But the Phil road 
>> hubs are significantly heavier than the T11s. They are also more costly and 
>> being different than their touring hub may sound differently. I’m not super 
>> concerned with weight, but if all else is equal(including durability,) 
>> weight could be a deciding factor. 
>>
>>
>> What do you all think? Does anyone have experience with these rims/hubs? 
>> Is there something else you'd suggest.  I've heard HED makes good rims that 
>> would be Roadeo appropriate, but they seem to only come in black with 
>> pretty pronounced graphics.  I like the bling of polished silver, but not 
>> bling-y logos.  What would you choose in my place?  I should mention I’m a 
>> 165lb rider, and I’d likely choose 32 spokes, front and back. Unless, of 
>> course, someone feels like I could get away with 28 up front. 
>>
>>
>> I’d love to hear any advice you’re willing to offer. Thank you for your 
>> help. 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[ctifusion]

Thanks! I knew I'd seen something like this before.

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[RBW] Re: HHH Run?

[G.E.]

I am just under 5'4" and ride as captain on a small HHH with my stoker 
being 5'1". It is definitely a stretch (and the standover is VERY close - 
for me, not the stoker) and I wish that there'd been an "extra small" size. 
I was kind of hoping with another possible run there would be an 
announcement of a smaller size, but I know that most bike manufacturers say 
smaller sizes just don't sell. :(  It's a definite bummer for those of us 
who need them though. 

That said, we have about 1500 miles on our HHH, so we do ride it a fairly 
significant amount. Can't seem to get over that 55 mile mark on a single 
ride though because the stretch really is a bit much. Still, so much fun to 
ride!

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 9:34:30 AM UTC-6, Ginz wrote:
>
> Looks like there may be another run of the HHH tandem, maybe possibly.
>
> Man, if they could do the Gus Boots curved top-tube to increase the 
> standover for smaller riders (5'4"), I'd seriously consider buying one, 
> hanging it in my basement and awaiting the growth of my kids.  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[tc]

Patrick, for the situation you describe, if using a threadless stem, Paul 
offers a stem cap light mount. Nothing for quill stems though. 

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Big Green Tractor

[Eric Floden]

Moving further from bikes, but this issue with Deere repairs is unsettling

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/06/nebraska-farmers-right-to-repair-john-deere-apple

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[RBW] Re: My Big Green Tractor

[dougP]

"Nothing runs like a Deere".  

dougP

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 5:47:28 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Though I wish I had one of these...
>
> [image: 1060_john_deere.jpg]
>
>
> ...the closest I'll get is my 64 Toto Atlantis with 2.1 Nano's, which I 
> call my Big Green Tractor because, well, it's big, lets me sit up high with 
> its tall seat tube and Ahearne+Map bar, it's kinda green, has multi-use big 
> tires, hauls loads without flinching (albeit mostly groceries) in bags on 
> the rear Big Rack, and as soon as I can find a plow attachment I might dig 
> a garden with it :)
>
>
> Hope you enjoyed your Riv 'tractors' and other machines this weekend.  I 
> know the Deacon likely used his Big Gray Tractor to plow some snow off of a 
> few Pikes Peak trails.
>
>
> [image: neuse2_oct_2018.jpg]
>
>
>
> [image: neuse1_oct_2018.jpg]
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Glue for headbadge?

[Daniel D.]

thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[Erik Wright]

I've used a wine cork as a mount by strapping the USB light's strap around 
the cork and attaching it to the rack. This isn't my photo, but it's the 
basic idea.

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 6:42:45 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:
>
> Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck 
> using a USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to 
> mount it to the front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal 
> but I like the lower light position and not looking at the ugly light when 
> I ride. Looked up those accessory bars but they all seem to have the same 
> handlebar mount.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Brynnar
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Minoura offers many options for doing this:

http://www.minoura.jp/english/accessory/accessory.html 
 

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> On Oct 22, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hijacking the thread only very slightly: does anyone have ideas for mounting 
> the Gino mount somewhere on or near the bar when you use a Moustache bar with 
> no place  to clamp a light on the bar itself, and no fork leg bosses? I've 
> got mine bolted to the right fork leg dropout boss, but that's darned low and 
> I'd prefer to mount it higher up.
> 
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:44 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  > wrote:
> Get a Gino mount, which will put a “knob” on your rack that you can attach a 
> light to.
> 
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/gino-light-mount/ 
> 
> 
> There are of course cheaper solutions out there as well, but the Gino is the 
> gold standard.
> 
> --Eric Norris
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> 
>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 3:42 PM, ctifusion > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck using 
>> a USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to mount it 
>> to the front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal but I like 
>> the lower light position and not looking at the ugly light when I ride. 
>> Looked up those accessory bars but they all seem to have the same handlebar 
>> mount.
>> 
>> What am I missing?
>> 
>> Brynnar
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[David Wadstrup]

Thanks for all the feedback!  There's a lot to think about here.  I should 
have mentioned that I already have the tires I'll be riding -- Vittoria G+ 
Corsa Competition, 700c x 28.  I  really like them.

Looks like no one has anything to say about the Phil hubs, which might be 
saying a lot.  I think I'll go with the T11s.

I'm still undecided on the Quill vs H Plus Son rims as I got good feedback 
on both.  Think I'll have to toss a coin on this one.

I really appreciate everyone taking the time to help with this decision. 
 Thank you.



On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 8:29:55 AM UTC-4, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I’m the proud owner of a beautiful, new-to-me Roadeo frameset that I 
> recently purchased here from another group member.  My plan is to take my 
> time building it up over the course of winter, with a May 1st goal of 
> getting it out on the road.  As I am also the proud owner of a few other 
> bikes(some Rivendells) I have a pretty specific, narrowly focused idea in 
> mind regarding the Roadeo.  Essentially, I’d like it to be pared down 
> accessory-wise, light and fast, with an 11 speed Shimano drivetrain and STI 
> shifters.  Unlike my other bikes, I’d like this one to be a sort of one 
> trick pony — light, fast and agile.  I’ll never mount racks or bags or even 
> fenders on this bike(I have this covered with my other bikes.) For the most 
> part, it’ll be a fair weather bike.  I may occasionally commute on it, but 
> I won’t ever have the need for it to carry anything or to protect me or 
> itself from foul weather.  
>
>
> My I I ask for your help?  I’ve spent quite a bit of time researching 
> component choices, but could use some real world, Riv based advice.  For 
> the sake of ease, I thought it best that I divide this into a few different 
> threads.  Today’s is wheels.  I’ll follow it up with brakes and bars and 
> cranks, etc.
>
>
> Here's what I've been thinking so far
>
>
> I’ll be running 700c x 28 clinchers and will not ever have the need or 
> desire to run anything larger than, say, 700c x 32. I’d like polished 
> silver rims with polished silver hubs both with an aesthetic appropriate 
> for this vintage/modern looking frame. I’ve narrowed my rim and hub choices 
> down to 2, but am open to other suggestions should they meet my criteria. 
>
>
>
> Rims:
>
>
> Velocity Quill. I really like Velocity rims, but have no experience with 
> the Quills. They come in polished silver and seem to be Velocity’s best 
> choice for a fast, light wheel build. I know a lot of people ride the A23s, 
> but for some reason I’m just not interested in them. 
>
>
> H Son Plus TB14. I’ve only just learned about these, but people on the 
> internet seem to be very happy with them. They have the look I’m after and 
> also seem to be a good choice for a light-ish fast wheelset.  I think 
> I'm leaning toward these just to try out a different maker's rims, but am 
> really torn and am hoping for a nudge in one direction of the other. 
>
>
>
>
> Hubs:
>
>
> White Industries T11, front and back. I have a rear MI5 on my AHH and 
> really like it. They’re made here in the US which I like and they aren’t 
> too noisy. I was pretty much settled on the T11s for this build, but then 
> learned about
>
>
> Phil’s road hubs. I also have a Phil rear touring hub which I also really 
> like. In fact, it’s my favorite hub as it spins silently. But the Phil road 
> hubs are significantly heavier than the T11s. They are also more costly and 
> being different than their touring hub may sound differently. I’m not super 
> concerned with weight, but if all else is equal(including durability,) 
> weight could be a deciding factor. 
>
>
> What do you all think? Does anyone have experience with these rims/hubs? 
> Is there something else you'd suggest.  I've heard HED makes good rims that 
> would be Roadeo appropriate, but they seem to only come in black with 
> pretty pronounced graphics.  I like the bling of polished silver, but not 
> bling-y logos.  What would you choose in my place?  I should mention I’m a 
> 165lb rider, and I’d likely choose 32 spokes, front and back. Unless, of 
> course, someone feels like I could get away with 28 up front. 
>
>
> I’d love to hear any advice you’re willing to offer. Thank you for your 
> help. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[Patrick Moore]

Hijacking the thread only very slightly: does anyone have ideas for
mounting the Gino mount somewhere on or near the bar when you use a
Moustache bar with no place  to clamp a light on the bar itself, and no
fork leg bosses? I've got mine bolted to the right fork leg dropout boss,
but that's darned low and I'd prefer to mount it higher up.

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:44 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Get a Gino mount, which will put a “knob” on your rack that you can attach
> a light to.
>
> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/gino-light-mount/
>
> There are of course cheaper solutions out there as well, but the Gino is
> the gold standard.
>
> --Eric Norris
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>
> On Oct 22, 2018, at 3:42 PM, ctifusion  wrote:
>
> Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck
> using a USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to
> mount it to the front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal
> but I like the lower light position and not looking at the ugly light when
> I ride. Looked up those accessory bars but they all seem to have the same
> handlebar mount.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 55cm Cheviot for sale in Sacramento area

[Joe Bernard]

My questions about the ad are crystal clear, and that quote doesn't answer 
them. 

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[RBW] Re: Glue for headbadge?

[Garth]

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 3:13:32 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
> My roadini headbadge is a little loose with a gap on top.  What glue to use?  
> 
> 
> It's almost done more test riding and then handlebar wrap

Some clear silicone adhesive sealant like Permatex RTV works well and is easily 
removable with some floss. Apply enough that is oozes from the sides and wipe 
the excess with a finger around the edges. No more gaps ! 

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Re: [RBW] Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Toshi Takeuchi]

My Roadeo uses A23s with WI T11s, and I love them.  The quill looks great
(wasn't an option at the time for me), but no O/C rim, which doesn't
detract much.

I would also recommend the GB Cypress or Compass equivalent. I would
recommend at least considering the EL version.  I bought GB Cypress EL, but
will probably not use them until the rains have ended next year.

Have fun!
Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Get a Gino mount, which will put a “knob” on your rack that you can attach a 
light to.

https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/gino-light-mount/ 


There are of course cheaper solutions out there as well, but the Gino is the 
gold standard.

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> On Oct 22, 2018, at 3:42 PM, ctifusion  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck using a 
> USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to mount it to 
> the front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal but I like the 
> lower light position and not looking at the ugly light when I ride. Looked up 
> those accessory bars but they all seem to have the same handlebar mount.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] Got a SP hub! Works good.

[Ed Fausto]

“Issues with the plastic housing (durability)”

Hi Tim, I have 4 data points on this issue.

My 2 units of Luxus U broke off at the mounting holes, same from 2 of my 
friends.

I now shifted to IQ-X and so far it is still ok.


> On 22 Oct 2018, at 11:30 PM, Tim Gavin  wrote:
> 
> ssues with the plastic housing (durability 

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[RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

[ctifusion]

Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck using a 
USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to mount it to the 
front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal but I like the lower 
light position and not looking at the ugly light when I ride. Looked up those 
accessory bars but they all seem to have the same handlebar mount.

What am I missing?

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 55cm Cheviot for sale in Sacramento area

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*Selling my Rivendell Cheviot mixte bike. It's in excellent condition; my 
wife used it a few times before she bought a Cheviot of her own (she needed 
a size smaller).*
Seems crystal clear to the point of maybe even too much information 
necessary -- to me, anyway ...

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 9:04:19 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> What does "my wife used it a few times before buying her own" mean? Did he 
> ride it, too, or no? Also, why is one tire red and why does he think a 
> 9-speed bike is 10? That's a weird ad. 

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[RBW] Re: Taking Clem to a different level

[ctifusion]

Saw this last week and it's even better looking in person. The reach doesn't 
feel as long as it looks in the pics. Definitely seems reasonable even for 
people with average torso length. I love the build and I wish all my bikes were 
that mustard color.

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Lum Gim Fong]

My other bike has A23's and all Compass and GB and Pasela tires I have used 
auto bead seat upon first inflation.
But I think the Brevets look nicer. The logo sticker is nice and minimal 
and the polished look is very bright and chrome-like.


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[RBW] Re: Glue for headbadge?

[Kainalu V.]

Use some silcone, or shoe goo, whatever you've got around. And if you're 
not wanting to make a mess, mask off the edges with blue painters tape 
first, blob in the glue, press it so it oozes out the edge a bit, wipe the 
ooze clear, then peel the tape for a clean edge (while the glue's still 
liquid)
Good Luck!
-Kai
BKNY

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 3:13:32 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> My roadini headbadge is a little loose with a gap on top.  What glue to 
> use?  
>
> It's almost done more test riding and then handlebar wrap
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Kieran J]

I have two wheelsets with the polished TB14s. All 32h. Great rims, 
definitely recommend those.

Go with some Ultegra or DA hubs if you can find a suitable pair in 
silver/polished that supports 11spd. They are tough to beat. Some polished 
White Industries hubs would be my pick if there was extra $$$ to spend.

I used to have a set of the A23s and had nothing but trouble trying to get 
the lumps out of mounted tires (using tubes).

KJ


On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 5:29:55 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I’m the proud owner of a beautiful, new-to-me Roadeo frameset that I 
> recently purchased here from another group member.  My plan is to take my 
> time building it up over the course of winter, with a May 1st goal of 
> getting it out on the road.  As I am also the proud owner of a few other 
> bikes(some Rivendells) I have a pretty specific, narrowly focused idea in 
> mind regarding the Roadeo.  Essentially, I’d like it to be pared down 
> accessory-wise, light and fast, with an 11 speed Shimano drivetrain and STI 
> shifters.  Unlike my other bikes, I’d like this one to be a sort of one 
> trick pony — light, fast and agile.  I’ll never mount racks or bags or even 
> fenders on this bike(I have this covered with my other bikes.) For the most 
> part, it’ll be a fair weather bike.  I may occasionally commute on it, but 
> I won’t ever have the need for it to carry anything or to protect me or 
> itself from foul weather.  
>
>
> My I I ask for your help?  I’ve spent quite a bit of time researching 
> component choices, but could use some real world, Riv based advice.  For 
> the sake of ease, I thought it best that I divide this into a few different 
> threads.  Today’s is wheels.  I’ll follow it up with brakes and bars and 
> cranks, etc.
>
>
> Here's what I've been thinking so far
>
>
> I’ll be running 700c x 28 clinchers and will not ever have the need or 
> desire to run anything larger than, say, 700c x 32. I’d like polished 
> silver rims with polished silver hubs both with an aesthetic appropriate 
> for this vintage/modern looking frame. I’ve narrowed my rim and hub choices 
> down to 2, but am open to other suggestions should they meet my criteria. 
>
>
>
> Rims:
>
>
> Velocity Quill. I really like Velocity rims, but have no experience with 
> the Quills. They come in polished silver and seem to be Velocity’s best 
> choice for a fast, light wheel build. I know a lot of people ride the A23s, 
> but for some reason I’m just not interested in them. 
>
>
> H Son Plus TB14. I’ve only just learned about these, but people on the 
> internet seem to be very happy with them. They have the look I’m after and 
> also seem to be a good choice for a light-ish fast wheelset.  I think 
> I'm leaning toward these just to try out a different maker's rims, but am 
> really torn and am hoping for a nudge in one direction of the other. 
>
>
>
>
> Hubs:
>
>
> White Industries T11, front and back. I have a rear MI5 on my AHH and 
> really like it. They’re made here in the US which I like and they aren’t 
> too noisy. I was pretty much settled on the T11s for this build, but then 
> learned about
>
>
> Phil’s road hubs. I also have a Phil rear touring hub which I also really 
> like. In fact, it’s my favorite hub as it spins silently. But the Phil road 
> hubs are significantly heavier than the T11s. They are also more costly and 
> being different than their touring hub may sound differently. I’m not super 
> concerned with weight, but if all else is equal(including durability,) 
> weight could be a deciding factor. 
>
>
> What do you all think? Does anyone have experience with these rims/hubs? 
> Is there something else you'd suggest.  I've heard HED makes good rims that 
> would be Roadeo appropriate, but they seem to only come in black with 
> pretty pronounced graphics.  I like the bling of polished silver, but not 
> bling-y logos.  What would you choose in my place?  I should mention I’m a 
> 165lb rider, and I’d likely choose 32 spokes, front and back. Unless, of 
> course, someone feels like I could get away with 28 up front. 
>
>
> I’d love to hear any advice you’re willing to offer. Thank you for your 
> help. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Glue for headbadge?

[Daniel D.]

I read that too but that gap between the frame and badge is bugging me.  
Also I'm worried about it flying off eventually.  Easiest fix seems to 
shoot some glue in there.

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 12:54:09 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Others in the know can chime in but i thought i have read that they are 
> put on with double sticky cushioned tape.
>

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Oops Tektro R539 brakes.
And forgot to mention Selle Anatomica X2 saddle on a Kalloy rivstock seatpost.

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[RBW] Glue for headbadge?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Others in the know can chime in but i thought i have read that they are put on 
with double sticky cushioned tape.

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[RBW] Glue for headbadge?

[Daniel D.]

My roadini headbadge is a little loose with a gap on top.  What glue to 
use?  

It's almost done more test riding and then handlebar wrap

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[RBW] My Big Green Tractor

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, and fantastic build on the Atlantis! Ready to ride in all conditions!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] My Big Green Tractor

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ha! You over estimate me, Tom. I plow through snow, but I’ve not plowed snow. 
Grin. I think of my Hunqabeam as a mountain horse (a la Man from Snowy River) 
and my Quickbeam as a thoroughbred, though I ride both in/through the snow. It 
will be an interesting test this winter, presuming we get enough snow to test 
well, the skinny-ish 38 mm tires of the Quickbeam cutting through the snow vs. 
Hunqabeam’s 2.1” tires being a medium width tire that may or may not float over 
enough to be of benifit. Of course the Hunqabeam’s panniers make it preferable 
on the cold days for hauling extra layers for coffee and pipe layzing about on 
the trail in brisk temps. Grin. Either way, snow can easily double or triple 
the time it takes to cover the same ground when clear.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] PSA: Roadini Deal for Smaller Rider

[Daniel D.]

Dang, good deal

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[RBW] PSA: Roadini Deal for Smaller Rider

[Karl]

Not mine... but wondering if I could shrink to fit for a great deal! 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F332849902983

Karl in Nashville

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[RBW] Re: One month VO Touring rear hub review.

[Lum Gim Fong]

I like the noise as safety feature and sounds so nice so I am not oiling 
the pawls.
But good to know if I ever decide to.

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[RBW] Re: Have a Sub 20lb Roadeo?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Guess I should chime in now that I own one.
This build minus saddle bag, minus the chainstay bartape wrap, plus a 
Secula plus seatstay dyno light is 22.9lbs.: https://flic.kr/p/2abdqa7

In comparison, my Carbon/Aluminum 2009 Defy 3 was 20lbs, iirc without 
pedals.

So not sub 20lbs. But looks like it could easily be with lighter components 
on it.
But  I like the functionality and how everything work great together on 
this bike the way it is.

Build:
Nitto M151F bar
Lizar skins blue wrap
Tech Deluxe stem
Tejtro TRP RLL drillium brake levers
Tektro R559 brakes with Swissstop blue pads
Yokozuna shifter and brake cables/housings
SUN XCD DT shifter clamp
Right Silver shifter
NO front derailer.
Microshift rear R10 derailer
SRAM PC8something chain
Shimano HG-something 8-speed 11-32 cassette
Sugino XD2 double crank 34/43 chainrings.
Front wheel - SON widebody/Sapim spokes/Pacenti Brevet rim 32 hole
Rear wheel - VO Touring hub/Sapim spokes/Pacenti rim 32 hole
GB Cypress tires
Qtubes
B IQX dyno head light
Secula Plus for seatstay rear light

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv HHH Tandem (small)

[Adam Leibow]

hah, mine lives in my tiny hallway of a kitchen, too. luckily my gf loves 
it enough for this to be OK. g l w s

On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 9:46:46 AM UTC-7, David Crowell wrote:
>
> Due to life changes, this bike has barely been ridden.  It's a small size 
> (Grant's recommendation: I'm 5'10", my wife, 5'1") blue-ish color.  SON 
> hub, rear disc brake, Schwalbe SuperMoto tires, Brooks saddles.  It's been 
> parked in my kitchen for nearly a year.  
>
> I don't have any pictures available right now, but can later, if there's 
> interest.
>
> I'll let it go for a steal.  $2500 firm.  I'm not sure about shipping - 
> it's too big.  I'm in Louisville, KY, and would be willing to haul it a 
> reasonable distance.
>

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Joe Bernard]

There's not much else to say 'til we see feelers about production and deposits. 
I'm interested, but the bike isn't really going to be a thing until next year. 

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow.  This thread died.  Lack of interest in the Boots?  Anyone heard the 
details on what’s being changed?  I wanna want one. 

Clayton
DDD

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Adam Leibow]

check out velocity Quill. they are polished silver rims which are nice and 
somewhat light. H Plus Son archetype also a good option that comes in 
polished. as for hubs, just get 105 5800 hubs in silver. they work & look 
fine. unless you want to spend $500+ on a hubset, then pick your poison 
(chris king, white industries, industry 9, et al)

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 5:29:55 AM UTC-7, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I’m the proud owner of a beautiful, new-to-me Roadeo frameset that I 
> recently purchased here from another group member.  My plan is to take my 
> time building it up over the course of winter, with a May 1st goal of 
> getting it out on the road.  As I am also the proud owner of a few other 
> bikes(some Rivendells) I have a pretty specific, narrowly focused idea in 
> mind regarding the Roadeo.  Essentially, I’d like it to be pared down 
> accessory-wise, light and fast, with an 11 speed Shimano drivetrain and STI 
> shifters.  Unlike my other bikes, I’d like this one to be a sort of one 
> trick pony — light, fast and agile.  I’ll never mount racks or bags or even 
> fenders on this bike(I have this covered with my other bikes.) For the most 
> part, it’ll be a fair weather bike.  I may occasionally commute on it, but 
> I won’t ever have the need for it to carry anything or to protect me or 
> itself from foul weather.  
>
>
> My I I ask for your help?  I’ve spent quite a bit of time researching 
> component choices, but could use some real world, Riv based advice.  For 
> the sake of ease, I thought it best that I divide this into a few different 
> threads.  Today’s is wheels.  I’ll follow it up with brakes and bars and 
> cranks, etc.
>
>
> Here's what I've been thinking so far
>
>
> I’ll be running 700c x 28 clinchers and will not ever have the need or 
> desire to run anything larger than, say, 700c x 32. I’d like polished 
> silver rims with polished silver hubs both with an aesthetic appropriate 
> for this vintage/modern looking frame. I’ve narrowed my rim and hub choices 
> down to 2, but am open to other suggestions should they meet my criteria. 
>
>
>
> Rims:
>
>
> Velocity Quill. I really like Velocity rims, but have no experience with 
> the Quills. They come in polished silver and seem to be Velocity’s best 
> choice for a fast, light wheel build. I know a lot of people ride the A23s, 
> but for some reason I’m just not interested in them. 
>
>
> H Son Plus TB14. I’ve only just learned about these, but people on the 
> internet seem to be very happy with them. They have the look I’m after and 
> also seem to be a good choice for a light-ish fast wheelset.  I think 
> I'm leaning toward these just to try out a different maker's rims, but am 
> really torn and am hoping for a nudge in one direction of the other. 
>
>
>
>
> Hubs:
>
>
> White Industries T11, front and back. I have a rear MI5 on my AHH and 
> really like it. They’re made here in the US which I like and they aren’t 
> too noisy. I was pretty much settled on the T11s for this build, but then 
> learned about
>
>
> Phil’s road hubs. I also have a Phil rear touring hub which I also really 
> like. In fact, it’s my favorite hub as it spins silently. But the Phil road 
> hubs are significantly heavier than the T11s. They are also more costly and 
> being different than their touring hub may sound differently. I’m not super 
> concerned with weight, but if all else is equal(including durability,) 
> weight could be a deciding factor. 
>
>
> What do you all think? Does anyone have experience with these rims/hubs? 
> Is there something else you'd suggest.  I've heard HED makes good rims that 
> would be Roadeo appropriate, but they seem to only come in black with 
> pretty pronounced graphics.  I like the bling of polished silver, but not 
> bling-y logos.  What would you choose in my place?  I should mention I’m a 
> 165lb rider, and I’d likely choose 32 spokes, front and back. Unless, of 
> course, someone feels like I could get away with 28 up front. 
>
>
> I’d love to hear any advice you’re willing to offer. Thank you for your 
> help. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Taking Clem to a different level

[Christopher Wiggins]

"Dirty Clem"  I dig it.

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 11:07:31 AM UTC-4, Matt Argomaniz wrote:
>
> Hell yeah! You've satisfied my need to see a clem with a dirt drops. I'm 
> calling it a dirty clem.
>
> On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 6:23:50 AM UTC-7, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
>>
>> I've been wanting to do something special with a Clem.  Here's a little 
>> write up about a build I just finished.  I like it. A lot.
>>
>> https://a1cyclery.com/about/news/dirt-drop-it-like-its-hot/
>>
>> More pics on my Insta here.  https://www.instagram.com/a1cyclery/
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Doug Bloch]

IMO, you cannot go wrong with TB14 rims. They are beautiful and bomb-proof. My 
LBS is a big fan.

As for your hub choices, again either one is a winner unless you are trying to 
shave off some weight as you suggest. Those rims with either hubs would be (for 
me) about the most beautiful vintage-inspired new wheelset you could get.

Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: One month VO Touring rear hub review.

[Tim Gavin]

I second Igor's recommendation; too much grease can gunk up the pawls.  A
light oil is better than grease.  If you use grease, use a small amount.

I have about 1500 miles on my VO touring hub, with zero problems.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:23 PM Ash  wrote:

> Have this hub on my Joe A.  14 months and 3k or so miles later, it is good
> as new.
>
> That said, because of the loud ratchet sound, I was thinking of replacing
> the wheel in favor of XT hub.
>
> Thanks to Lum for opening this thread.  And William, can't thank you
> enough for the grease idea.  The problem is solved!
>
> I squeezed a quarter tube of grease into the ratchet well.  No I can
> barely hear it.  It is so quiet I'm beginning to wonder if all that grease
> is going to cause some other problem!  Anyway, I enjoy the rides a lot more
> now.
>
> oh and I had one small issue with this hub.  I do not know the names of
> various parts of the hub, but the thing that slides into the frame was ever
> so slightly bigger. Had to file that piece just a bit.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 13 October 2018 11:58:17 UTC-7, William! wrote:
>>
>> I have the disc version of this hub on two wheelsets. A year in and I
>> still love it. The noise does quiet down after a bit, particularly if you
>> pack it full of grease.
>
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[RBW] HHH Run?

[Ginz]

Looks like there may be another run of the HHH tandem, maybe possibly.

Man, if they could do the Gus Boots curved top-tube to increase the 
standover for smaller riders (5'4"), I'd seriously consider buying one, 
hanging it in my basement and awaiting the growth of my kids.  


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Re: [RBW] Got a SP hub! Works good.

[Tim Gavin]

They do.  The B Luxos U has a built-in capacitor that holds the charge.
The capacitor was added to regulate the voltage for the USB-charging
function.  But it also allows the light to hold on to a small charge when
you pedal below the charging threshold.  The Luxos U LEDs can provide some
light even when you stop (at a low level and for a limited time).

However, the Luxos U has some other drawbacks, notably visual artifacts in
the beam (due to the very-wide-angle reflector), and issues with the
plastic housing (durability and possible water intrusion).

The IQX followed after the Luxos U, but it doesn't have the USB-charging
function (and therefore no capacitor).

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:48 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> As I commuted home tonight I was wondering why in 2018 they can’t invent
> dyno lights that don’t flicker.
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[RBW] Re: Taking Clem to a different level

[Matt Argomaniz]

Hell yeah! You've satisfied my need to see a clem with a dirt drops. I'm 
calling it a dirty clem.

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 6:23:50 AM UTC-7, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
>
> I've been wanting to do something special with a Clem.  Here's a little 
> write up about a build I just finished.  I like it. A lot.
>
> https://a1cyclery.com/about/news/dirt-drop-it-like-its-hot/
>
> More pics on my Insta here.  https://www.instagram.com/a1cyclery/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv HHH Tandem (small)

[David Crowell]

Yep, it's a deal, but I also know that selling niche market bikes like this 
is difficult.

On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 3:57:24 PM UTC-4, Max S wrote:
>
> Omg, this is an amazing deal. We love ours - ride it with wife and kids... 
> so much fun! 
>
> - Max “idontneedtwotandemsbutmaybe...” in A2

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[RBW] Re: One month VO Touring rear hub review.

[Igor Shteynbuk]

Hey Lum!

Glad to hear you're enjoying the hub! We suggest using a light oil over 
grease for the pawls. The reason being is that the grease has a tendency to 
make the pawls stick to the freehub body and prevent proper engagement. It 
isn't a big deal off the get-go and probably won't be a big deal at all, 
but that is our suggestion from miles and miles and years and years of 
testing these hubs.

Let's go Ohs!
Igor

On Saturday, October 13, 2018 at 12:37:57 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Rear hub. Takes 11sp, 7/8/9/10 with spacer. 
> I run 8speed. 
> You have choice of Shimano or Campy type freehub body. 
> Roadside serviceable. 
> Disassembles and reassembles by hand -no tools needed. 
> Replace a spoke roadside. 
> Install new bearngs no tools required. 
>
>  Looks amazing. High flange. And they coast loud 
> Not Chris King Angry Bee loud. But close. 
> I normally want silence out of my tear hubs. 
> But I find that like the sound, and have found the sound of the large 
> pawls to add to the exhiliration of coasting. Very refreshing sound. 
> Also, as a major plus- I don’t need a bell. 
> The sound of me coasting scatters pedestrians and deer alike. Even from 
> yards away. 
> So the noise serves a safety purpose, too. 
> Pics to come. 
> I really like that, when the time cones, I can easily redo the bearing 
> cartriges myself. Big plus. Pop em in and keep riding. No need to buy a new 
> hub or pay as much as a new one for service, like I woukd for my LX hubs. 
>
> Pics to come. 
>

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[RBW] Taking Clem to a different level

[Vincent Tamer]

Awesome! Looks like a Hellava good time. I want to do that, but the Clem being 
my only bike (for now) I’ll have to wait. I love my boscos. 

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Scott Calhoun]

I'm guess I'm a "Golden Ager" by default. 

I cut my cycling teeth riding Bridgetones that Grant designed, but my only 
Rivendell has been a blue 64cm Rambouillet that I found in semi-rough 
cosmetic shape at Bicas, our local co-op, earlier this year. I couldn't 
(and still can't) believe my luck. I test rode it with in the parking lot, 
and it was love at first pedal stroke. I climbed most of the high mountain 
roads in Arizona on it this summer, and it never let me down. Lively, 
predictable, comfortable, and just plain fun to ride. 

Scott Calhoun
Tucson, AZ

On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Lum Gim Fong]

The quote above from a wheelbuilder kept me away frim getting Mavic rims.
I got Pacenti.

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Lum Gim Fong]

“I stopped using Mavic rims a few years ago.  For ages they were my go to, but 
recently they've shipped most production to China and Taiwan, and many builders 
including myself have seen premature failures even on their toughest rims.  ”

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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts Bin Clean Out - Some good stuff!

[Rusty Click]

PM sent

Rusty

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 12:30:59 AM UTC-4, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Update:
>
> Photos:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-2NeF-6iHHVLTY4NDlpcmJta2c
>
> Items for sale:
>
> **Shimano CX70 Brakeset - Sold
> **White Industries Square Tapper BB 68x113mm - Sold
> **Paul Comp Black Canti Levers - Sold
> Nitto S84 Lugged Seatpost - $100
> Brooks B67 Aged Saddle - $75
> Rear Wheel, Shimano Deore XT M750 Hub, Mavic T520 Rim, 32 spoke. Hub is 
> used, but in good shape. DT Swiss Double butted spokes. Rim, Spokes, and 
> nipples are new. $120
> Shimano Dura-Ace 9 Spd bar-end shifters - $50
> Shimano Tiagra 3x10 speed trigger shifters - $40
> Shimano 600 68x113mm English BB, smooth - $40
> Shimano Dura-Ace 7800 short cage rear derailleur - $30
> Nitto 32F Front Rack, No Harware, Has Front Tab for light - $70
> Nitto 32F Front Rack, No Harware, Has Front Tab for light - $70
> Shimano Deore 10 Spd Mini Group, Rr Der, Cassette, Chain, and Shifter, 50 
> Miles of Use - $100
> Shimano CX70 Ft Der, 31.8mm, Double, Bottom Pull - $10
> Shimano Ultegra 6700 Ft Der, Braze-On, Double, Chain Catcher included - $15
> Shimano Deore XT M751 Ft Der, 31.8/28.6mm, Triple, Bottom Pull, Almost New 
> - $25
> Shimano 105 5700 Rr Der, Shortcage - $15
> Phil Wood Square Taper BB, 68x119mm, Steel English Cups - $90
> Surly Stainless Rear Cable Hanger - $5
> Surly Stainless Rear Cable Hanger - $5
> Paul Components Funky Monkey Front Cable Hanger, 1" Silver - $30
> Shimano 600 HP-6500 1" Threaded Headset, NOS Condition, No Packaging - $70
> Chris King External Cup Road BB, 68mm, for 24mm Spindles - $70
> Chris King Threadfit 24 BB, 68/73mm, Spacers Included, Adapters for both 
> 24mm & GXP Spindles Included - $90
> Shimano Deore XT RD-M772 9 Spd Rr Der, Long Cage - $30
>

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Will]

We have an early '80s Trek 613 in the collection. It's a relaxed frame road 
bike. It has regular, not oversized, Renolds 531 tubes and was built in the 
USA. In short:  a light tubeset, fully lugged. In many respects I think it 
is like the Rodeo design-wise. It is the daily rider for one of my sons. 

It came to us with a 700c x 28mm wheel/tire setup. It had room for 36mm 
tires and we moved to that spec, before wider tires became fashionable. The 
36 mm tires simply work better. The bike definitely planes. I dislike that 
term, but that is the descriptor word used here. I am skeptical that it is 
because of frame flex. I think planing is a consequence of having the 
correct rotating mass from your wheel set. I theorize that rotating mass 
can be tuned for rider weight and rider position on frame. The bike was 
decent with the 28s, but it feels more "energetic" with 36s. More rotating 
mass feels like less pedal input is needed to maintain speed. I recently 
put 28s back on the bike while we upgraded to a dynamo wheel. The 
difference was noticable, and not better. For my son tire width is not a 
cush/comfort/gravel issue, It is a handling and ride feel issue. We are 
back to the 36s with a front dynamo. 

I suggest you consider 36s or similar for the Rodeo. I think the bike will 
ride better. 

Will


On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 7:29:55 AM UTC-5, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I’m the proud owner of a beautiful, new-to-me Roadeo frameset that I 
> recently purchased here from another group member.  My plan is to take my 
> time building it up over the course of winter, with a May 1st goal of 
> getting it out on the road.  As I am also the proud owner of a few other 
> bikes(some Rivendells) I have a pretty specific, narrowly focused idea in 
> mind regarding the Roadeo.  Essentially, I’d like it to be pared down 
> accessory-wise, light and fast, with an 11 speed Shimano drivetrain and STI 
> shifters.  Unlike my other bikes, I’d like this one to be a sort of one 
> trick pony — light, fast and agile.  I’ll never mount racks or bags or even 
> fenders on this bike(I have this covered with my other bikes.) For the most 
> part, it’ll be a fair weather bike.  I may occasionally commute on it, but 
> I won’t ever have the need for it to carry anything or to protect me or 
> itself from foul weather.  
>
>
> My I I ask for your help?  I’ve spent quite a bit of time researching 
> component choices, but could use some real world, Riv based advice.  For 
> the sake of ease, I thought it best that I divide this into a few different 
> threads.  Today’s is wheels.  I’ll follow it up with brakes and bars and 
> cranks, etc.
>
>
> Here's what I've been thinking so far
>
>
> I’ll be running 700c x 28 clinchers and will not ever have the need or 
> desire to run anything larger than, say, 700c x 32. I’d like polished 
> silver rims with polished silver hubs both with an aesthetic appropriate 
> for this vintage/modern looking frame. I’ve narrowed my rim and hub choices 
> down to 2, but am open to other suggestions should they meet my criteria. 
>
>
>
> Rims:
>
>
> Velocity Quill. I really like Velocity rims, but have no experience with 
> the Quills. They come in polished silver and seem to be Velocity’s best 
> choice for a fast, light wheel build. I know a lot of people ride the A23s, 
> but for some reason I’m just not interested in them. 
>
>
> H Son Plus TB14. I’ve only just learned about these, but people on the 
> internet seem to be very happy with them. They have the look I’m after and 
> also seem to be a good choice for a light-ish fast wheelset.  I think 
> I'm leaning toward these just to try out a different maker's rims, but am 
> really torn and am hoping for a nudge in one direction of the other. 
>
>
>
>
> Hubs:
>
>
> White Industries T11, front and back. I have a rear MI5 on my AHH and 
> really like it. They’re made here in the US which I like and they aren’t 
> too noisy. I was pretty much settled on the T11s for this build, but then 
> learned about
>
>
> Phil’s road hubs. I also have a Phil rear touring hub which I also really 
> like. In fact, it’s my favorite hub as it spins silently. But the Phil road 
> hubs are significantly heavier than the T11s. They are also more costly and 
> being different than their touring hub may sound differently. I’m not super 
> concerned with weight, but if all else is equal(including durability,) 
> weight could be a deciding factor. 
>
>
> What do you all think? Does anyone have experience with these rims/hubs? 
> Is there something else you'd suggest.  I've heard HED makes good rims that 
> would be Roadeo appropriate, but they seem to only come in black with 
> pretty pronounced graphics.  I like the bling of polished silver, but not 
> bling-y logos.  What would you choose in my place?  I should mention I’m a 
> 165lb rider, and I’d likely choose 32 spokes, front and back. Unless, of 
> course, someone feels like I could get 

[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Mat Grewe]

Hey, I just used round spacers, like you described, from a local Ace 
Hardware, that way I didn't have to do any extra drilling!

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[RBW] Re: Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[George Schick]

I've had great success with Mavic Open Pro rims over the years and would 
recommend them.  They can be purchased in a variety of weights and colors, 
including silver (they do come with quite a few decals on them, however, 
but you can remove those if you don't like the looks).  The ones I've used 
were well machined and solid and stayed that way with a minor touch up 
truing now and then.

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 7:29:55 AM UTC-5, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I’m the proud owner of a beautiful, new-to-me Roadeo frameset that I 
> recently purchased here from another group member.  My plan is to take my 
> time building it up over the course of winter, with a May 1st goal of 
> getting it out on the road.  As I am also the proud owner of a few other 
> bikes(some Rivendells) I have a pretty specific, narrowly focused idea in 
> mind regarding the Roadeo.  Essentially, I’d like it to be pared down 
> accessory-wise, light and fast, with an 11 speed Shimano drivetrain and STI 
> shifters.  Unlike my other bikes, I’d like this one to be a sort of one 
> trick pony — light, fast and agile.  I’ll never mount racks or bags or even 
> fenders on this bike(I have this covered with my other bikes.) For the most 
> part, it’ll be a fair weather bike.  I may occasionally commute on it, but 
> I won’t ever have the need for it to carry anything or to protect me or 
> itself from foul weather.  
>
>
> My I I ask for your help?  I’ve spent quite a bit of time researching 
> component choices, but could use some real world, Riv based advice.  For 
> the sake of ease, I thought it best that I divide this into a few different 
> threads.  Today’s is wheels.  I’ll follow it up with brakes and bars and 
> cranks, etc.
>
>
> Here's what I've been thinking so far
>
>
> I’ll be running 700c x 28 clinchers and will not ever have the need or 
> desire to run anything larger than, say, 700c x 32. I’d like polished 
> silver rims with polished silver hubs both with an aesthetic appropriate 
> for this vintage/modern looking frame. I’ve narrowed my rim and hub choices 
> down to 2, but am open to other suggestions should they meet my criteria. 
>
>
>
> Rims:
>
>
> Velocity Quill. I really like Velocity rims, but have no experience with 
> the Quills. They come in polished silver and seem to be Velocity’s best 
> choice for a fast, light wheel build. I know a lot of people ride the A23s, 
> but for some reason I’m just not interested in them. 
>
>
> H Son Plus TB14. I’ve only just learned about these, but people on the 
> internet seem to be very happy with them. They have the look I’m after and 
> also seem to be a good choice for a light-ish fast wheelset.  I think 
> I'm leaning toward these just to try out a different maker's rims, but am 
> really torn and am hoping for a nudge in one direction of the other. 
>
>
>
>
> Hubs:
>
>
> White Industries T11, front and back. I have a rear MI5 on my AHH and 
> really like it. They’re made here in the US which I like and they aren’t 
> too noisy. I was pretty much settled on the T11s for this build, but then 
> learned about
>
>
> Phil’s road hubs. I also have a Phil rear touring hub which I also really 
> like. In fact, it’s my favorite hub as it spins silently. But the Phil road 
> hubs are significantly heavier than the T11s. They are also more costly and 
> being different than their touring hub may sound differently. I’m not super 
> concerned with weight, but if all else is equal(including durability,) 
> weight could be a deciding factor. 
>
>
> What do you all think? Does anyone have experience with these rims/hubs? 
> Is there something else you'd suggest.  I've heard HED makes good rims that 
> would be Roadeo appropriate, but they seem to only come in black with 
> pretty pronounced graphics.  I like the bling of polished silver, but not 
> bling-y logos.  What would you choose in my place?  I should mention I’m a 
> 165lb rider, and I’d likely choose 32 spokes, front and back. Unless, of 
> course, someone feels like I could get away with 28 up front. 
>
>
> I’d love to hear any advice you’re willing to offer. Thank you for your 
> help. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Steve Palincsar]

I'll bet you could get that same "excited" feeling with your GB Cypres 
by inflating them up to 80 psi.


On 10/22/18 9:37 AM, Lum Gim Fong wrote:

PS- and I ride GB Cypres 700 x 30 tires, which measure 31-32mm wide on these 
brevet rims at 60psi.
For a more “excited” feeling ride (but no faster) try 32 Paselas tour guard. 
They rode nice too. More “excited” feeling. Maybe more vibration? Better tread 
protection. The GB Cypres is a calmer, smoother feeling ride due to its 
suppleness, I guess, but just as fast.


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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Mixte? Yves Gomez/Betty Foy Geometry?

[David B]

Thanks for this Justin. I had a feeling there were different sizes per run. 
I have a 60cm from the earlier run I believe, but the headtube is really 
tall so it effectively fits like a larger bike, which is good for me. I'll 
give the MAPs a try, should be here shortly, and try out some drop bars 
should things feel cramped.
David

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:15:31 PM UTC-5, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> There were two separate runs of Foy/Gomez wherein different sizes existed 
> with diffferent numbers. However I can say that my wife’s Betty would be 
> nice with drops. But it’s nicer with MAPs.  ;) 
>
> -J

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[RBW] Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Lum Gim Fong]

PS- and I ride GB Cypres 700 x 30 tires, which measure 31-32mm wide on these 
brevet rims at 60psi.
For a more “excited” feeling ride (but no faster) try 32 Paselas tour guard. 
They rode nice too. More “excited” feeling. Maybe more vibration? Better tread 
protection. The GB Cypres is a calmer, smoother feeling ride due to its 
suppleness, I guess, but just as fast.

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[RBW] Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Lum Gim Fong]

if your experience turns out like mine, the  ride quality of the Roadeo will 
blow away all of your other rivbikes. You will probably pick the Roadeo for 95% 
of rides, even for commutes, like I do.
Seriously think about a dyno hub on the front wheel. If you decide on dyno 
lighting I would go for front wheel:
Pacenti Brevet rim/Sapim Race spokes/SON deluxe wide body hub.
Choice of spoke count based on your weight and wether or not you will hop curbs 
with this bike.

I commute on stripped down Roadeo with dyno lights and banana sax bag only. 
Same front wheel. Love the lighting. So convenient.

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[RBW] My Big Green Tractor

[Reid Echols]

I just finished building up my new-to-me 65cm Clem H, which is as much of a 
tractor bike as I could imagine! 

Lovely ride on one of the first decent fall days here in Austin. 

https://instagram.com/p/BpN5bwmB2Wv/

Reid 

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[RBW] Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[Max S]

I personally would go for either Shimano or Campy hubs, with either the TB14 or 
Pacenti Brevet, 14/15 db spokes. Quiet, smooth, reliable, light. Royce hubs are 
nice, too. Note that with 11 so, the cog spacing is pretty well identical 
between Shimano & Campy. 

https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/rims/pacenti-brevet-rim-700c/

- Max “cup & cone & double eyelets 4 evah!” in A2

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[RBW] Help me build my new Roadeo. Part I, Wheels.

[David Wadstrup]

Hello,


I’m the proud owner of a beautiful, new-to-me Roadeo frameset that I 
recently purchased here from another group member.  My plan is to take my 
time building it up over the course of winter, with a May 1st goal of 
getting it out on the road.  As I am also the proud owner of a few other 
bikes(some Rivendells) I have a pretty specific, narrowly focused idea in 
mind regarding the Roadeo.  Essentially, I’d like it to be pared down 
accessory-wise, light and fast, with an 11 speed Shimano drivetrain and STI 
shifters.  Unlike my other bikes, I’d like this one to be a sort of one 
trick pony — light, fast and agile.  I’ll never mount racks or bags or even 
fenders on this bike(I have this covered with my other bikes.) For the most 
part, it’ll be a fair weather bike.  I may occasionally commute on it, but 
I won’t ever have the need for it to carry anything or to protect me or 
itself from foul weather.  


My I I ask for your help?  I’ve spent quite a bit of time researching 
component choices, but could use some real world, Riv based advice.  For 
the sake of ease, I thought it best that I divide this into a few different 
threads.  Today’s is wheels.  I’ll follow it up with brakes and bars and 
cranks, etc.


Here's what I've been thinking so far


I’ll be running 700c x 28 clinchers and will not ever have the need or 
desire to run anything larger than, say, 700c x 32. I’d like polished 
silver rims with polished silver hubs both with an aesthetic appropriate 
for this vintage/modern looking frame. I’ve narrowed my rim and hub choices 
down to 2, but am open to other suggestions should they meet my criteria. 



Rims:


Velocity Quill. I really like Velocity rims, but have no experience with 
the Quills. They come in polished silver and seem to be Velocity’s best 
choice for a fast, light wheel build. I know a lot of people ride the A23s, 
but for some reason I’m just not interested in them. 


H Son Plus TB14. I’ve only just learned about these, but people on the 
internet seem to be very happy with them. They have the look I’m after and 
also seem to be a good choice for a light-ish fast wheelset.  I think 
I'm leaning toward these just to try out a different maker's rims, but am 
really torn and am hoping for a nudge in one direction of the other. 




Hubs:


White Industries T11, front and back. I have a rear MI5 on my AHH and 
really like it. They’re made here in the US which I like and they aren’t 
too noisy. I was pretty much settled on the T11s for this build, but then 
learned about


Phil’s road hubs. I also have a Phil rear touring hub which I also really 
like. In fact, it’s my favorite hub as it spins silently. But the Phil road 
hubs are significantly heavier than the T11s. They are also more costly and 
being different than their touring hub may sound differently. I’m not super 
concerned with weight, but if all else is equal(including durability,) 
weight could be a deciding factor. 


What do you all think? Does anyone have experience with these rims/hubs? Is 
there something else you'd suggest.  I've heard HED makes good rims that 
would be Roadeo appropriate, but they seem to only come in black with 
pretty pronounced graphics.  I like the bling of polished silver, but not 
bling-y logos.  What would you choose in my place?  I should mention I’m a 
165lb rider, and I’d likely choose 32 spokes, front and back. Unless, of 
course, someone feels like I could get away with 28 up front. 


I’d love to hear any advice you’re willing to offer. Thank you for your 
help. 


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