I second the oil filled heater recommendation, good & fairly safe because
there is no exposed heating element.
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The "Butterscotch" sample in the Blug picture looks to be a dead ringer for the
"orange" that my Clementine showed up wearing.
just a guess, but maybe they worked the J App. Demo's into the paint line
while they were painting Clems?
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because I am still kinda new around here or because I am not familiar with the
sort of counterintuitive way that Google works!?
I am using the 8 speed rear, but not really sure how much difference it makes!?
Basically,
I've had the original mustache bars on my XO-1 since new, I don't ride that
bike much anymore, because the hand position I like most is just in front of
the back flatd with my forefinger or two fingers on yhe brake lever & it's a
bit more aggressive position then I can manage for long periods
The Sun Race shifters are not really index (at least not when used on a Riv.)
They are ratcheting. I have them on 3 bikes, got'em off ebay.
I like'em OK, the Silver Shifters work a little better IMHO, but it's
questionable if they are enough better to justify double the cost!?
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90% of the time if your brakes are "squishy" or lack feel, you are using the
wrong lever, incorrect housing, or the are not adjusted properly.
Most road bike levers for caliper or cantilevers won't work on V brakes or disc
brakes.
I have Paul levers on 4 bikes and I have the Touring cantis on
I agree that someone over 6'7" & with long legs, probably would be at the
extreme limit of what A Clem is designed for, but I have a friend who is 6'4
with long legs, he rode my medium with the seat & bars raised as much as I
could and really had a blast! He did not complain about the size at
Not meant to stop someone from toting the bike off, only the opportunistic
thief whose tired of walking & thinks hoping on your conveniently placed bike
looks appealing!
One of the good things about the Clementine being rather large & unwieldy is it
discourages the casual bike thief! ;-)
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If falls somewhere in between friction & index; if you are used to friction,
these will be easy to like! If you are used to the no nonsense, right every
time kind of thing you get with index shifting, it's going to be more of a
harsh adjustment.
I took my Clementine to a bike shop for them to
Any idea how wide those Choco bars are? I wonder if the larger sizes will have
wider bars!?
I have the wide Bosco's on my Clementine, but I had chance to see one of the
ready to rides @ a local bike shop last week, it was the same size as my
medium, but the bars were noticeably narrower. In
Sorry, I have had similar experience, mostly sorted out now, but a few
questions.
What gear set up?
What size bike?
The downside of really long chain stays and long bikes in general is a lack of
rigidity, I have little problem with my medium Clementine, it's pretty stout (
considering), but
Hope you Don't mind if I crib off you a little, my kids Clementine is that
same color, I have bookmarked that web site & I intend to get one of those
lovely baskets!
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This sort of thing tears at me; on the one hand it sounds fun, but on the other
hand, do I really need another reason/excuse to ride!? Or more significantly
maintain another bike!? Might be fun for people who have some old metal hanging
are & need an excuse to air it out & reminisce with other
It occurs to me that having a slack STA is probably necessary in situations
where you have fewer frame sizes (like the Clem/Clementine) because as the seat
post is raised it opens up the effective top tube distance allowing the frame
to accommodate a broader range of riders.
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WOW! That's the best looking Clementine build I've seen so far & I've built
two! LOL
I went with the Big Ben tire due to the frame having mountain bikeish tire
clearance; I was afraid narrower tires would look lost in the frame, but I
guess with the fenders it helps fill out the extra space!?
I've been using Photobucket for many years, no issues.
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I like the description "Stately"; I think that sums it up nicely. I would not
describe it as lively, but it does not feel dead either. To me Its just the
sort of bike that does not wow you, it impesses in small subtle ways and it
endears itself to you slowly over time.
I have the Clementine
I like it, but no more or less than the other color. So, I would have a hard
time deciding, good thing there's no possibility of me getting one right now!
:-(
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The beauty of using the spring is that it allows some "give" which is helpful
when mounting or removing the wheel or if debris becomes lodged in between the
wheel & fender! I've used something similar on my Rowland Drakkar.
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I am generally in tune with the changes & long chain stays, but too long is too
long.
We have two Clementines, a small & a medium & in my opinion the chain stays on
both are too long. The small one is only a little too long (1/4" ?) The medium
on the other hand is probably almost an inch too
Amtrak!
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My stuff arrived today (a few days early!) & I have to say I have ordered
things from VO in the past and maybe I've forgotten, but I was really
impressed with how well everything was put together! The leather on the saddles
is THICK and I don't think I will have to worry about them wearing out
I dig it the most!
I just got no money! :-(
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I think the difference between Walds normal baskets & Rivendells is the Riv
baskets look like they dont have the hangers or struts.
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OK, well aside from your bucolic area of Albuquerque (which sounds awful sweet
compared to the one I've visited on many occasions on my nomadic travels back &
forth from Texas to Cali.) In most areas of the country including where my mom
used to live in Napa Valley low income people do the
In a few months I would be very interested, but right now . . things is a
little tight.
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LOL, thanks for having my back there Steve! It really matters little what the
zip ties actually cost, if they were gold plated they would still look bogged
together. And my comments are not focused on any particular individual, just
everyone out there on the interwebs. JMHO, but if I am riding
Two things
First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket on for
several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully endorse and
condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there for 5 years! NO!
And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish
Additionally, if others hadn't noticed and I don't think they really highlight
it, but I think the difference between the baskets that Rivendell has & the
normal Wald baskets is the Rivendell ones are just the basket, no handlebar
loops or struts.
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Anti zip tie, but oddly the idea of gluing wires is somehow appealing!?
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I should point out that when I am talking about the middle class I mean middle
class cyclists, because I know someone is gonna comment on that even though
it's implied.
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I am not partial to carbon fiber forks or bikes, not because of it failing (at
least not right away), but because I tend to keep my bikes for long periods of
time and carbon had a definite shelf life. There a re exceptions, but overall
I would not feel safe riding the average 15 year old
Out of the two you've presented the HH is the most versatile and would be my
recommendation (especially considering you weight, in fact I think maybe even
an Atlantis might be worth considering). A couple other things to consider,
first no matter which you choose the ability to turn around and
I got a Bosco not being used, but both sets of Albas are mounted on bikes. You
know honestly the aluminum ones are fractionally lighter, but I like my steel
ones better.
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Steve, it's easy to see the added strength needed if you look around at many
disk brake frames they frequently have either very substantial rear drop outs
or a small tube or loop on the brake side that goes from the chain stay to the
seat stay.
As for the spelling I try to stay on top of it,
I have the C17 carved on my Rawland and I have had no issues with it so far, I
only have about 300 miles on it though. But riding it is very much a non
event, which for me is good. If I am just thinking about my ride and where I am
going and not about my ass; that's sort of the test really.
I agree, stays need to be made stronger as well, which kind of flys in the
face of arguments against disk brakes. Makes frame more flexy.
Only two real advantages and they are minor, first increased heal clearance
for rear panniers/ cargo and a minor increase in stability.
That said there
I've always put it on top, putting it on the bottom really would not work too
well, the bottoms are typically rough and very porous and they recommend only
using a small amount. It would take a whole tin if you put it on the bottom,
and the leather would soak up too much.
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Well, maybe in New Mexico the commuters are white, middle class or whatever. I
don't live there so I won't second guess you, but I seriously doubt it's any
different than here.
I will say that white middle class commuters are probably more visible. You
don't see the others, because by the
Yeah, people use zip ties for all kinds of things and I continue to condone
that practice ( oh crap I did it again!). Actually, Bill I used that language
intentionally, because I thought it humorous. As if my condoning anything
meant squat to anybody which I am sure it doesn't! My sense of
Yes, a good observation Joe, I was just noticing the other day how many Ebikes
had fatter tires. Heck, a fair number are fatbikes!
I put fatter (2.2") tires on my Clementine the other day and just the
additional weight of the tires themselves over my previous ones, gave me pause
to think about
Anton, lets not go off on a tangent here, there's a huge difference between
one or a few stickers tastefully applied and a whole bunch of them randomly
covering almost every available space. I recall somewhere a picture of
someone's orange Cheviot (Keven ?) Literally, plastered with stickers,
You know honestly I am just as dumbfounded as Skenry!
I think the original feelings expressed were ones of betrayal; they bought a
bike that suited their needs, but the company introduces a bike that suits the
needs of someone else, a bike that they take some objection too because of what
it's
I have the C-17 carved on my Rawland and I have been happy with it so far. I
don't have the regular to compare to, but I have half a dozen bikes with B-17 &
I think I prefer having the cut out to not having it.
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Dead split between people who've had an issue & those who haven't!? Still,
worrisome I have about a dozen bikes with Brooks saddles, including a C-17
(good so far, but it's only got a few hundred miles on it) I am worried though,
because I just got a C-19 yesterday!
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Well, I am not from there, but I've visited on several occasions. My first
question would be weekday or weekend!? It makes a big difference! The tours and
Fishermans warf are a mad house on the weekend and going to Alcatraz could burn
up half your day.
That said San Francisco is a foodie town,
Some good deals in the Specials area of VO right now! Ordered some stuff myself
this morning.
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I would duggest looking up the BART map on the Internet. A ferry from Oakland
to SF sounds fun, but also time consuming. The BART goes there and yoi can jump
off anywhere along market. The ferries are cool my kids wanted to ride one the
last time we were there, but we kept "just missing" them
I got 2 saddles, the rear hub & a chain guard. It's hard to find a good
non-disk hub these days & I have a build I can use it on. Did not get a front,
because I am strictly dynamo for fronts these days. I am kinda OK with the
saddles being a little hard to break in, I was more worried they
What a great buy for the right person!
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Evan , I especially like what you are saying and you are SO right! It's guys
like me that are the loudest voices on the Internet. Guys who can afford to
ride Rivendells, have multiple bikes and live in nice houses/communities. The
difference between me and a lot of people is I worry/think
I got the SOMA Lucas small front rack, it's REALLY good, very reasonably
priced and fits most bikes; then I removed the stock Wald struts & fashioned
some removable brackets to affix it to the rack. (or you can use zip ties!)
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I routinely carry 15 lbs of gear in there with no issues. You can't see them
in the picture, but there are wing nuts on the bottom that can be removed to
release the basket in a minute or so. I honestly don't think there's much of
anything that makes a bike look more dorky then a big bssket,
You know one thing that's been perplexing me on my Clementine is the amount of
pedal strike I've been getting. Odd because, the BB drop, crank length, etc.
isn't really measurably different from several other bikes I own that I have no
such issue with!?
Then this morning I was reading Zed's
That is one righteous ride! I am totally I n board with what you've done. I
think my onky concern would be the Swift saddle, seems a bit narrow for a semi
upright build?
I was loving the Joe Appaloosa, but seeing as I am a largish guy I have been
thinking that a Hunqapillar is probably the
Actually, the problem I am having is more of an issue with uneven surfaces,
although the turning plays into it as well. The further the wheels are apart
the more likely that a bump or object can stick up between them and you pedal
can hit it while it rotates around. Generally, you you
I don't have the VO fenders, but by my experience everything I've gotten from
VO has been over the top great & probably better, then it needs to be. I plan
on getting Zepplins fir at least 1 26" wheeled bike in the near future.
I have wooden fenders on 2 bikes & Honjos on my Rawland; I picked
I have a couple low trail bikes & a couple that I presume are not and honestly
my overall impression is I like the steering on my low trail bikes better, but
they have other issues that are mildly annoying, (toe overlap, etc.) I got
into trying to digest it at one point, but honestly what I
I will say that my medium Clementine is a gangly beast, I sized up in the Riv.
Tradition, but it's size is one of the things I dig about it!
That said, the chain stays are unnecessarily long. I can't even imagine if I'd
have bought a large! :-0
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You know it's a bit subjective, the bike is BIG and even with shorter stays it
would still be big, but longs stays . . . How long is too long!? The bike was
made as a homage to or at least evolved from the idea of early 80's mountain
bikes, which had longer stays, steel forks, etc. The
The thing is on your large, the chain stays could probably be 1 to 1.5 inches
shorter and you still wouldn't have to worry about clipping the pannier and you
would get the benefit of a better handling bike. Too long better than too short
for sure, but how much too long? Maybe for me, it's
While it's true the majority of braking force is managed by the front brake, if
you use only the front brake the pads will wear much faster. I prefer a
balance of both brakes, problem is if you are used to using just the front it
might be hard to relearn how to use both effectively. Where the
I think in this situation maybe Grant is OK, he's not handing out boatloads of
stuff.
Also, whoever said that our empathy ir lack thereof is colored by or
experiences is dead on! Its important to know the difference between
panhandlers and people who are just having a rough patch in life. It
Riding a garbage pail bike is one of those things that only makes sense to
those who do it!
Try it you'll like it! :-)
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Well I looked at his website and it becomes a little clearer! He's a designer,
his interest is in making new stuff that he feels is better, so naturally the
tried & true is going to be boring to him. Also it looks like he may have done
some work for Giant, so that explains that!
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That Clem looks the business! Awesome!
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Yes, I like your Clementine, the dark colors really make'em look a bit more
masculine.
Regarding the wheel base/chain stays/ bottom braket drop & pedal strike. I am
not the only one whose noticed it so I do hope they address it at some point.
Things are rarely perfect right out of the
The thing with the pedal strike, if you are aware of it, it's probably no big
deal. I was surprised the first couple times it happened merely, because I have
had so few bikes that had any issues with it at all. Since then I've only had
it happen in odd circumstances, where other things were
I have Big Bens on my Clementine, I've used Grand Bois Hetres and Panaracers
Col de Vie, but the Clems are made for big tires so sticking something under
40mm would look lonely unless you also have fenders.
These are big, heavy bikes so I really like the added volume when bumping over
curbs,
For what it's worth, I have assembled almost every bike I own (which is a fair
number) & in my late teens I worked in a bike shop, so I probably built a
hundred or so bike during my stint there, but my Clementine was by far the most
difficult I ever had to deal with. A myriad of small little
Got mine! Thanx!
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Just to add to this somewhat, the paint on these frames is liberally applied,
and it seems to pool in the threaded eyelets for the racks & whatnot. I ended
up getting taps and chasing the theads on the detailer hanger, and all the
other threaded bits!
Prior to doing this the screws would not
I have been interested in the Choco, but I am currently riding the wide Bosco's
on my Clementine, I tried another Clementine RTR, it had the narrower Bosco's
and I did not like it nearly as much!
While I like'em 58 maybe is a little wide, but 54 is too narrow. 55 is better,
but 56 might be
I originally built my 2 Clementines with V brakes because I thought cable
routing would be a issue for Cantilevers, but the long chain stays translate to
reasonably uncluttered seat stays as well & because I don't like V brakes I
quickly reverted to my trusty Canti's!
I was able to snag a like
One downside I noticed was the lack of barrel adjusters, this would make fine
tuning a little easier.
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Not to play devils advocate, but simply to say that simply calling the peiple
rude or stupid or assholes or whatever may be accurate, but it our opinions are
xolored by our experiences, those drivers that are nit bike riders truely don't
understand qhat we are doing there, they think we are
Icertianly hope somebody can give these a good home I've had me eye on them but
there's no romm in the stable.
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Here's the other one.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view=172103200217=web
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The head scratcher for me was the Giant that he showed as being superior,
really wasn't, it might have been good for a quick club ride. But, it would be
of little use for anyone who you might classify as the classic Garbage pail
bike, there's no racks or rack mounts, there not enough room for
Does Etsy require you to create an account, because I am interested, but I
don't want to "join" anymore sites. Especially one I might have no further use
for?
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No luck, I keep getting thrown into etsy registration. Can you just send my a
PayPal invoice or your address and I will mail $'s for 3 patches.
Thx
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As a former XO-1 owner I can tell you the smaller wheels accelerate faster and
are probably a little easier on a slow grinding climb while loaded, but in the
other end of the spectrum the larger wheels seem to maintain momentum better. I
might go 26" if traveling to somewhere outof tge way,
I signed up (what the heck!) Even though some of the bogeys here seem open
ended & possibly dubious? I mean what could we be talking about here? Cargo
Bikes, Beach Cruisers? And Economical!? Well, I am all about economy!!! But,
anywayz sort of excited to see what happens & what direction this
Mailing list is up to 240 people and apparently this is alarming Grant a little
bit! :-)
Like a lot of people (I'm sure), I have my hat in the ring, but the chances of
all bike elements aligning with what I would like or need and me having the
money handy are very small so I don't think I would
Not sure how it relates to what you are doing, but it occurs to me that the
more the industry moves towards carbon fiber & bikes as a disposable, a
consumable; the more Rivendell (& other small specialty brands) will grow.
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What width are those Boscos?
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I bought a small Clementine that I expect will ultimately be my daughters,
she's a few years off from being able to ride it but it's ideal for my son now
& if my wife decides she would like to ride, she would fit it perfectly. I
haven't worried too much about a bike for my son(he has his
I think the only real advantage to the clear would be it being cheap & at least
if it's rusting you can see it. Painted, but especially powder coated frames
can be rusting underneath, with a painted frame it will show quickly. I've had
powder coated frames that look good, but the coating was
I haven't tried tubeless yet, because of that my test fir tire pressure is if
when I pop the front wheel over a curb when the rear make contact with said
curb does the tire compress to the point that I need to worry about snake bite
flats!? If not I let a little air out, if it looks like SB
Interesting, but in lengthening the bike he only focuses on the top tube length
and headtube/seat tube angles nothing on chain stay length. Not necessarily
wrong, but . . .
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My favorite Cantis. Are first gen. XTR, I like the Pauls (got'em on my
Clementine), but honestly if you watch the auction site you can find front &
rear sets for less than a 100 bucks. They will be used so price according to
condition, but they are hard to beat. I have them on 3 bikes!
Note: I
While riding today I discovered a new hand position using the Bosco bars! I
have been using the normal handgrip position for just cruising, I usually grab
the bends in front of the grips for out of the saddle sprinting, etc. and hands
on the forward flats for seated climbing.
But today while
Just my opinion, but I would not put the Riv. In a detached garage in Oakland!
I would put it in the house proper. Other bikes in the garage? Beaters? OK. Of
course it sort of depends on the garage, not only how secure, but also how
isolated it is from the weather. My last garage was
I don't think it's so much that you can't, maybe just that you might not want
to. I love my Boscos, but a bar that allows a more aero position might be
easier/faster over that distance. It might not seem like a lot, but if you've
been riding for 5 hours the prospect of shaving 10 or 15 minutes
Every new update increases my level of interest as well as the possibility that
I'll buy one! I really like the direction he's going.
The proto picture looks like the typical bike in my fleet thrown in a blender
with the typical Rivendell. That just really drills it down to something that
I did not really notice the helmets so much as him blowing through a Stop sign!
LOL
Still the most significant thing to me was . . . Levis making commuter
clothing! To me that is pretty big, how much mass does cycling have to have for
something like that to happen and does this bode well for
I am using the B listed @ 50Lux it plenty bright around town, I would like
something brighter, but I already have cars flashing their headlights at me as
if my light is in their eyes. (Beam is pointed slightly down). It is not
uncommon to be on a bike route/lane that runs adjacent to the
Those are pretty nice! Especially for a plastic pedal! I happened upon a pedal
I really like at REI. Slim nice looking and only $20 a pair! I have plenty of
other platform pedals that cost twice as much that I did not like half as well!
Bought a pair for the Clementine and liked'em so much I
I recently got a new Swift saddlebag and I have been having similar concerns,
I've only used cheap bags in the past so it's uncomfortable new territory. My
first thought is that any thief is probably going to want to take the whole
bike! The bag and/or it's contents are going to be a
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