[RBW] Re: Finding out how a Bike's Performance Changes with Changes to Components

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When I bought my first bike in 1995, I had the dealer swap out the saddle, 
stem and handlebars for a more upright and comfortable position and then I 
rode that bike with no changes until 2007 when I bought a different bike 
that I rode completely stock until 2011.  Then I discovered Rivendell.  
Since 2011, I haven't had a single stock bike and I probably haven't had a 
bike go a month without something being changed. 



On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 6:22:42 AM UTC-5, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> John Hawrylak posted recently about converting a Riv Bike to low trail. 
>  Joe Bernard replied that he had done this only to find out he did not like 
> low trail and that it was a little costly to find this out.  Boy, did this 
> resonate with me.
>
> I have found it nearly impossible to understand the effect of a component 
> change on my bike's performance without some, at least, modest investment, 
> even when I do the work switching out parts myself.  While my most 
> extensive experience relates to handlebars, I've also explored different 
> wheel sizes, saddles, derailleurs, and assorted other components.  I'll 
> share my handlebar experience because it seems instructive.
>
> From the time I was 16, I rode racing bikes.  It had always been clear to 
> me, at least intellectually, that racing bike's drop handlebars, in 
> addition to reducing wind resistance and increasing speed, offered great 
> variation in hand position increasing the odds of finding comfort.  After 
> 45 years or so riding drops, the time came for me consider alternatives. 
>  Much more of my future riding would be in the city and I believed and 
> still believe upright positions offer better visibility and thus are safer. 
>  I am also no longer as limber as I once was.  Over time, I found that, 
> except on steep climbs, I almost never used the drops. I had been riding 
> almost exclusively on the hoods or the crossbar.  My first "city bike" was 
> a Scott Sub 20.  What a revelation.  The bars, Syncros, were almost flat 
> and 640mm wide with a 10 degree sweep. They offered comfort like I had not 
> felt before. Very importantly, they also seemed to offer better control.  I 
> noticed that these flat and almost straight handlebars were more akin to 
> most motorcycle handlebars than bicycle racing handlebars.  
>
> After riding the Scott for a few years, I learned of Rivendell (and as 
> importantly, Bicycle Quarterly and Compass Cycles).  I was an easy convert. 
>  The only question I had was which Rivendell would be right for me. 
>  Ultimately, I chose a Homer.  I bought a used Toyo Homer - 59cm, 700mm 
> tires --  from someone on the list.  It came with racing bars, which I 
> replaced, this time with Nitto Albatross bars, seemingly the preferred 
> upright bar of the Riv community and often recommended by Riv as a great 
> bar.  I rode my Homer with the Albatrosses for 5 years, a few thousand 
> miles a year. Albatross bars have, according to www.whatbars.com, a 78 
> degree sweep.  All the time I rode my Homer, which I love, I wondered 
> whether I would have the comfort and control I had enjoyed on my Scott if I 
> found a handlebar with much less sweep.
>
> But which bar?  I spoke with friends and read the many entries on the 
> topic in the RBW Owners Bunch listserve.  I read more of what I could find 
> on the internet.  I considered the Jones, MAP Ahearne, several different 
> Nitto bars and settled on the Nitto Bullmoose.  Unfortunately, I couldn't 
> find anywhere I could try it out.  Most bike shops, in my experience, are 
> not eager to trade out components to allow customers to experience the 
> effect of the changes.  At best, they'll offer different bikes with 
> different components to try.  Still, I had decided I wanted to try the 
> Bullmooses.  To do this, I also had to use different shifters; the bar end 
> shifters I used on with the Albatross bars wouldn't work with Bullmosse 
> bars.  I searched for used Bullmooses without success so I ordered a new 
> one from Rivendell.  I did find used Shimano XT 3x9 trigger shifters. 
>  Together, with new grips, cables and cable housing, my investment to "try" 
> this setup (I had a bike shop do the switch) exceeded $400.  This seemed 
> like a hefty investment and there was the chance that, like Joe Bernard, I 
> would find out it was a failed experiment, an expensive one at that.
>
> One thing I love about the industry is the amazing array of choices in 
> bikes and components.  I also love the the fact the barriers to entry into 
> the industry are low -- innovation is everywhere and there are loads of 
> tinkerers in their "garages" working on that next best idea, one that will 
> improve everyone's cycling experience only if cyclists can learn about it 
> firsthand. It just frustrates me no end, however, how hard and costly it 
> can be to explore the choices available.  For most cyclists, you get what 
> the industry's major players think you want or should want.  

[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't own a Riv but my wife and I had ventured over to a local Cajun 
restaurant for lunch and seeing there was a bike shop next door, I had to 
stroll over after eating.  It was a slow day so the owner and I started 
chatting and somehow Rivendell came up and he said "One of my customers has 
a Rivendell and when he brings it in..I just can't stop looking at 
it..".  






On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, LeRoy wrote:
>
> I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
> about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
> Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
> brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's 
> something that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented 
> bikes they own. So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. 
> Thus it was with a bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call 
> out, *"Hey, nice Riv!"* as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty 
> chuffed, in a private sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and 
> called it out. Did I need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must 
> say that it was nice to hear. When was your first such experience?
>

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[RBW] Anyone catch the hint on Instagram of a 26" Compass knobby?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Compass posted an image of one of their knobby tires and someone asked 
about a 26" version for when RTP won't cut it and Compass' reply was "we 
remain committed to 26"."

There are a lot of nice vintage MTB's out there along with a few really 
nice modern 26" bikes and I bet we see some killer builds based around 
these tires.assuming I'm taking the hint correctly. 

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[RBW] Re: Frankendini

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

As a big fan of 90's hybrids I like it!I have those same 
handlebars, which were on a 90's hybrid I bought about eight years ago.  




On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 4:30:27 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's an update/finished build on my Sparkly Orange Roadini, which 
> answers the question, "What if you intentionally oversized a dropbar bike 
> for flatbars?" I think Will @ Riv will like it, he's into putting the 
> "wrong" parts on a bike. 
>
> I had picked up an old Bianchi Project 5 with a Softride suspension stem, 
> but the bars were too low on that bike. Then it dawned me that the stem 
> would work just dandy on my Leo, so here ya go!
>
> Riser bar, XTR 9-speed shifter someone here sold me, Suntour dt for the 
> front, NOS Dia-Compe levers, Ergon grips, old Sakae cranks and BB from an 
> RB-T, NOS Shimano RX100 fd (from France!), NOS Deore LX rd (Japan!), 
> Mavic/105 wheels, 11-34 XT cassette, Jack Browns, MKS Touring pedals, 
> Woody's Chop Chort fenders with huge gaps that are different front and 
> back..Grant won't even be able to look at those fender lines!
>
> It's a fun bike with almost no standover, but here's an amusing thing I 
> discovered: When I first come to a stop and throw a leg over to hop off, 
> the suspension is slightly compressed..instant standover clearance! Check 
> it out. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bba3J2TpJE8sEaBh9
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for posting this amazing story.

When I first became interested in Rivendell bicycles, I was given a very 
generous offer that I'm certain would have been felt by the benefactor.  
The offer was made in a way that would have brought me far more benefit 
than just the money that was involved.  For several reasons, I did not take 
advantage of the offer and I'm very thankful it worked out that way.  The 
incredible generosity of the benefactor left an impression on me and I've 
since looked for opportunities to be a benefactor to others in need.  



On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 9:59:54 AM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now 

[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I didn't learn about Rivendell until 2011 and the bikes that appeal the 
most to me were already around:  Bombadil, Hunqapillar and 26" wheel 
Atlantis.  I don't care for the double top-tubes and my sizes in those 
bikes (at least the prototype Bombadil) are all single top-tubers.   



On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks great!!   I always enjoy seeing people mixing it up with black 
components and non-Riv handlebars on a Rivendell.  



On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 11:30:43 PM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>
> Thought this color would go well with black componentry.  I think it does 
> like fine!
> Headset is still the shiny one.  Haven't had a chance to make a trip to my 
> LBS to swap it.
>
>
> More photos here, including side-by-side with my first Rivendell, the 
> Appaloosa.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmszGzbs
>
> sizes:
> Atlantis - 50cm
> Appaloosa - 51cm
>
>
> ps: still a rookie at attaching parts to a bike frame :)  comments are 
> quite welcome!  Do let me know if I've goofed up anything. 
>

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[RBW] 47-50 mm 650B street tires. Which have you tried and liked? Tried and Disliked?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been looking to move from 700c to a smaller wheel size for several 
years, with my initial plan to go down to 26".  I've been watching the new 
tire market and have decided 650B is where I'm going to have the best 
options so that is now my plan.  My riding is pretty much 100% pavement, 
hard packed dirt/grass and maybe some maintained gravel roads.  

I did some research today and came up with a list of slick to semi-slick 
tires in the 47-50mm range.  I'm interested in people's experiences with 
these tires, both good and bad.  I know Compass are highly regarded but 
some of these I've heard very little about and a couple I've never heard 
of.  

WTB Horizon  

Teravail Rampart

Compass  Switchback Hill

Panaracer Gravel King

Schwalbe G-One Speed (50mm)

Maxxis Re-Fuse

Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 


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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

i just saw Riv's instagram post of Will and Grant at the bike show and the 
new bike is in the background and from that angle, it looks bada$$.  


On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 4:15:02 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I'm almost certain that a few months before he announced the MTB, he 
> mentioned a new rim in development.  
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:57:35 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if Riv intends to support running something like a Cliffhanger 
>> rim tubeless or if they plan on working with a manufacturer to make a 650b 
>> non-disc rim appropriately wide for a plus sized mountain bike tire (or 
>> both??). Running a 2.8" tire at low pressure on a 25mm internal width rim 
>> with tube...more like Just Flats
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:55:06 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> masmojo responded to me (I'm almost certain). Masmojo asked two 
>>> questions:
>>>
>>> 1.  "I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then?"  20 years until 
>>> you give up cycling?  After that, enjoy walking, or reading.  20years of 
>>> life?  After that, peacefully enjoy the afterlife
>>> 2.  "what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their 
>>> sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people?"  If those 
>>> theoretical people buy a 584mm rim Rivendell, and 10 years down the road 
>>> need a new rim, and at that time 584mm rim brake rims are not readily 
>>> available, then I imagine those people would reach out to Rivendell for 
>>> help in sourcing a rim.  Rivendell has convinced rim manufacturers to 
>>> manufacture rims on numerous occasions, and I imagine they will continue to 
>>> do so.  If your actual worry is that rim manufacturers will discard the 
>>> capability to extrude rim brake rims entirely, then that's going to be a 
>>> problem for all rim-brake bikes, not just 584s. If your actual worry is 
>>> that Rivendell Bicycle Works will be out of business in 10 years, and that 
>>> will leave the hypothetical non-bike people helpless, then I don't really 
>>> have a way to calm your worries.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The "worry" isn't for me so much; I am a "Bikie" & I would anticipate 
>>>> such an issue, but I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then? OR, 
>>>> what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of 
>>>> lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people? They won't even 
>>>> think 
>>>> to buy "extra" rims, most people won't realize what an oddity a super wide 
>>>> rim brake rim is until it comes time to replace it.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm almost certain that a few months before he announced the MTB, he 
mentioned a new rim in development.  


On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:57:35 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>
> I wonder if Riv intends to support running something like a Cliffhanger 
> rim tubeless or if they plan on working with a manufacturer to make a 650b 
> non-disc rim appropriately wide for a plus sized mountain bike tire (or 
> both??). Running a 2.8" tire at low pressure on a 25mm internal width rim 
> with tube...more like Just Flats
>
> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:55:06 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> masmojo responded to me (I'm almost certain). Masmojo asked two questions:
>>
>> 1.  "I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then?"  20 years until 
>> you give up cycling?  After that, enjoy walking, or reading.  20years of 
>> life?  After that, peacefully enjoy the afterlife
>> 2.  "what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their 
>> sort of lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people?"  If those 
>> theoretical people buy a 584mm rim Rivendell, and 10 years down the road 
>> need a new rim, and at that time 584mm rim brake rims are not readily 
>> available, then I imagine those people would reach out to Rivendell for 
>> help in sourcing a rim.  Rivendell has convinced rim manufacturers to 
>> manufacture rims on numerous occasions, and I imagine they will continue to 
>> do so.  If your actual worry is that rim manufacturers will discard the 
>> capability to extrude rim brake rims entirely, then that's going to be a 
>> problem for all rim-brake bikes, not just 584s. If your actual worry is 
>> that Rivendell Bicycle Works will be out of business in 10 years, and that 
>> will leave the hypothetical non-bike people helpless, then I don't really 
>> have a way to calm your worries.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>>>
>>> The "worry" isn't for me so much; I am a "Bikie" & I would anticipate 
>>> such an issue, but I maybe have 20 more years in me (max), what then? OR, 
>>> what about the scores of people who buy Rivendells based on their sort of 
>>> lifestyle status & at their core are not bike people? They won't even think 
>>> to buy "extra" rims, most people won't realize what an oddity a super wide 
>>> rim brake rim is until it comes time to replace it.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have wondered how much influence Corey's jones plus has had on the GBH, if 
any.

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

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They were way, way down on the photo page of the post dougP referenced.  
Initially, I thought Manny had linked to the wrong page but that red bike 
his friend was riding interested me enough that I stayed on the page anyway 
only to realize the Gus photos were there after all. 




On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 12:19:48 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Where is this "Manny's photo" ? I don't see any Gus pics on that thread. 

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Given that the bike was built up with Will in mind, I was thinking those 
were 29" tires but I think you are right that they are 27.5.  The photo is 
not quite high enough in resolution but it appears more like "27" than 
"29".   

Manny's photo shows him holding up a bare frame that is closer to the 
Appaloosa blue color, which is one of my favorite Riv colors.  Manny's 
photo is so distorted that the seat tube looks higher than the headtube and 
I can't tell if that frame is larger or smaller than the one on the Blahg.  




On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 11:27:51 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Plus tires and cantilever brakes! Called it!  
>
> It looks great to me, and is very much what I was expecting, although the 
> top tube configuration was a surprise.  My wife hates it, I think it's 
> awesome.  
>
> Wondering about the sizing and geometry.  The sample that is set up for 
> Will looks like it is running 650B+ wheels, so the 29" XL must be really 
> big.  I think the sample looks like it would fit me well.  I'll probably 
> get one, especially if that color is an option.  I'll have to build a new 
> set of wheels, but other than that a lot of the parts from my Clem could 
> swap over.  
>
> On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 8:43:49 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>>
>> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see 
>> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes
>>
>> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
>> Collin
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When Grant stated that it would have a lot of stand-over but wouldn't be a 
Mixte, I assumed the bike would have a sharply sloping top-tube like most 
modern MTB's.  A downward curved top-tube never occurred to me and I was 
very surprised when the bike was unveiled.  

I can imagine that the GUS BOOTS-WILLSEN is amazing for the type of riding 
it's designed for.  I look forward to seeing these with the Wavie Bar, 
which i assume was designed specifically for this bike, given Grant's hint 
about a 31.8 version.  



On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 10:43:49 PM UTC-5, Collin A wrote:
>
> Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see 
> how it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes
>
> Happy Saturday riding everyone,
> Collin
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Off or on-topic? Cannabis oil

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The one person I know who uses CBD swears by it.  She has severe PTSD with 
some depression and she says she has gotten tremendous relief, especially 
in helping her sleep but also in reducing her anxiety.



On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 5:56:24 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Unless it's been Grant-fathered in, it's OT, as would be any other 
> medication or herbal supplement. 
>
>
> On 09/10/2018 11:05 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> > I have some questions. If anyone has used it therapeutically, I'd be 
> > grateful to hear from him or her. 
> > 
> > For some reason, I "feel" that cannabis oil, or perhaps cannabis 
> > generally, is not too unrivendellian ...? 
> > 
> > Patrick Moore, who hasn't had a toke since 1983, and that one and all 
> > earlier ones were outside the jurisdiction. 
>
> -- 
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> USA 
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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

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Have you considered a Jones H-Bar or the upcoming RBW Wavie bar?  I 
recently bought the Jones 2.5 (inches of rise) loop bar and I'm very 
impressed with it.  It offers many hand positions and it makes the steering 
much more confidence inspiring.  Judging from the recent RBW catalog, the 
Wavie bar looks to have a similar sweep angle and it's pretty wide at 
66cm.  

  



On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> The good news about my Clem is that I've been riding it a lot more since I 
> moved.  I now live on a busy 4 lane highway with no shoulders, so I was 
> having to either brave the traffic to get to a side street or trail, or put 
> the bike on the car, which I hate to do if I'm just going out for a fun 
> ride.  I found a gravel path behind my condo complex that goes about a 
> quarter mile to the next cross street to the highway.  From there I can 
> cross the highway and access the regional mixed terrain trail system.  
>
> The shortcut I found has got pretty rough big-ish rocks so I am loath to 
> ride my more roadish Rivendells with their relatively fragile Compass 
> tires.  The Clem though tackles this section with aplumb so I find myself 
> wheeling it out for rides more than my other bikes.  I also find the 
> traction just a little bit better on the pea gravel sections of the 
> regional trails, where the slick Compass tires might kick out a bit going 
> around a corner, the Clem and it's big Kendas track straight and true where 
> I point my wheels.  It just feels a little less squirrely, so to say.
>
> Which is a good segue into what I don't like.  I bought my 65 ClemH 
> complete and one of the things that it came with that I am not super 
> enamored of is the Bosco bars.  This may sound odd since they are 58cm wide 
> (I think) but they feel too narrow and too far back for me.  I feel like I 
> might hit them with my knees when I'm out riding.  I feel I would prefer a 
> bar with less intrusion into my midsection.  I'd also prefer something a 
> little less upright, which I think having a bar that's not so far into my 
> midsection will take care of itself.  It just doesn't feel dialed in the 
> way it is now.
>
> Looking around on Rivendell's website, I like the look of the Billie 
> bars.  I'm just not sure if 58 will be wide enough for my preference.  I'm 
> thinking maybe because they flare out a lot more and much less back than 
> the Boscos, that the 58 might be fine in this form factor.  Truth is my 
> drop bar bikes are only 48cm so having a bar not so far back like the 
> Billie would work I think
>
> Or there is the Aherne+MAP handlebar which is 61.5 cm wide in the wider 
> version.
> https://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar if you're not 
> familar.  I still have some store credit at Rivendell though so this route 
> would cost me more out of pocket.
>
> Anyone tried either of these bars on their Clem?
>
> The other thing I don't like is friction shifting.  Does Microshift or 
> SunRace make an indexed 8 speed thumbie?  I was hoping to re-use the thumb 
> pod and just get the shifter part of it, but I can only find 8 speed in 
> friction.  I could switch to Shimano 8 which would require a different 
> thumb pod or go 9 speed indexed T09 Microshift thumbies which would require 
> a 9 speed cassette and potentially a different derailer.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -Jim
>
>
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[RBW] Re: 2000 All Rounder

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice looking frameset!   

The All-Rounders were before my time so I don't know their geometry and it 
will be interesting to hear your thoughts on how it differs from the 
Atlantis.  



On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 12:17:35 PM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> New to me via a FFHS swap with another member here: my 64cm Toyo-built 
> Atlantis for his 63cm Curt Goodrich-built All Rounder.  The wheels shown 
> are running Big Bens - 2.1". Still a little room up front and out back, but 
> not for fenders which is fine with me. I could run 40 somethings with 
> fenders easily. This will be fun to build, and everything I had on the 
> Atlantis will drop right in. 
>
> [image: IMG_5249.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_5253.JPG]
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Need 'dark' theme parts recommendations for MIT Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would second this suggestion, since you are going with a black part's 
scheme.  A 31.8 opens up a world of black bars, including the Jones Loop 
Bar, Jones Bend Bar, Surly Moloko, Surly Sunrise, etc.


On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 3:31:32 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> You could get that VO removable faceplate qill stem in black and open up 
> your bar choice to 31.8

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Nice!!

Thanks for the info!!




On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 12:40:57 PM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> OK...I know there's no killing a thread, at least not without 
> repercussions, but I'm not going to fee it anymore. At its best, developing 
> a bike is fun, and this bike is pure that for me and the others here. It 
> will NOT meet expectations, it'll barely miss the mark for most people 
> reading this, there WILL be groans of "if only they'd one ONE thing 
> differently...!"  Nobody is as independent as they'd like to be, or as 
> people think they are, and I'm on top of that list. My influences are 
> different, and although I don't FEEL old (at 64), having been doing bikes 
> for so long, and at Rivendell so long, has made me more stubborn than wise. 
> I don't want to build up great anticipation and enthusiam for a "secret" 
> bike, and yet I am so jazzed about it that I can't keep my trap fully shut. 
> That feels shitty and I wish I could undo, but there's no undoing. 
> I appreciate, and I can see straight that I and we-all-at RIV are lucky to 
> have such a great online group of supporters and cheer-squads. It's a big 
> positive in my life aside from any commercial value that may come from it. 
> The only thing is, right now I'm thinking I've screwed up and created a 
> weird hubub about a super simple bike. Here's how it'll be, and these are 
> the only details I'm going to reveal, but as you'll see, they're not barely 
> anything:
>
> fits to 2.8. NOT three. That's not an oversight, it's be design
> canti-posts for, presumably, V-brakes. no disc mount. I briefly considered 
> it, I was willing to bend there, but the internal opinion was NO, and I'm 
> so glad.
> great standover, but not a mixte. there's only one way to get that, so any 
> speculation as to how will be correct.
> 135 spacing
> Seat lug, but fillet and/or tig elsewhere.
> HHH-type fork
> Long chainstays
> Long wheelbase
> The Best Model Name of All Time for Any Commercial Product
> Two to four colors, three of which will be almost identical.
> Not a copy of anybody else's bike (to my knowledge)
> The coolest name
> Fun decaliteureaux! And expensive ones. About three dollars more per bike 
> per set, after the exhorbitant set-up fee. 
> No, they're not holograms. Really? U-thot-dat?
> You already know 73BB and OS threadless, and the reasons
> The name will scare people off. No, it's not a political or religious 
> name, although I have to admit I'd be strongly inclined to vote for any 
> candidate with this name, just hoping he or she was left-leaning.
>
> It will be all the mountain bike a non-racer needs for any terrain in the 
> world. You might have to walk a few things, but it'll glide over most...at 
> least, that's what I suspect, based on my experience with other bikes that 
> kind of do, too. But we all have different interpretations of "glide." 
> It'll be a nicely designed set of stairs, with steps just so, as opposed to 
> an elevator or even an escalator.
>
> It will be, overall, like a single version of the HHH, but with some 
> costlier details that don't make it better.
>
> G
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> If this is a mountain bike then what are all the other mountain bi...
>>
>> OK I give up. Rivendell will Rivendell. Lets make more bikes that are 
>> already bikes we have. Like Crust right?
>>
>> ugh.
>>
>> At least someone is doing it
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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I got into Surly after the Pugsley switched to disc brakes and didn't know 
it had cantilevers at one time.  Thanks for answering that question for me!


On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 10:58:13 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Remember when the Pugsley had v-brakes?
>
> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/96/70/239670ed17601a10f0697b8cd5cfdd6b.jpg
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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It's going to be fun seeing what Rivendell comes up with for a mountain 
bike but I think they will be really missing the boat if they don't enter 
world of Plus tires.  I don't remember if that has been ruled out or maybe 
the no disk brakes decision rules them out?  I don't know if cantilevers or 
V-brakes will work with 3" tires.  

As things currently stand, the original advocate for fatter tires is 
getting left behind by the mainstream, where modern MTB tire widths start 
where RBW's end.
  


On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 2:24:19 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> This might be a stretch, but hey, what's the fun in following a guru if 
> you can't spend hours parsing his words and interpreting them?  I think 
> there might be a hint towards an upcoming trail-oriented Riv (or update to 
> an existing Riv) hidden in this passage from Grant's post yesterday 
> 
> : 
>
> In mountain bike racing and just riding, it's gone the other way. The 
>> early guys were riding unsuitably low-tech bikes, then bikes reached a 
>> basic good level of appropriate technology in the late '80s, and now 
>> they've borrowed as much as possible—for now—from cars and motorcycles. 
>> There are reactions to it the other way, with one-speed mountain bikes, but 
>> those are fading fast because...one gear is too limiting for varied 
>> terrain. *There's no restraint at that end, and we're going to show 'em 
>> all what-for sometime late this year, if we can pull it off.*
>
>
> I wonder what it could be...the before-hinted plus-tire Hunqapillar?  
> Bringing back the Bombadil (probably can't be done under the LOTR gag 
> order)?  Some other new trail-oriented rig?
>
> Honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with my Jones-barred Clem as my MTB 
> (well...a threadless fork would be nice), so I'm not anxiously awaiting 
> anything, but it would be interesting to see what they come up with.  
>
> Let the speculation begin! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa, MIT Atlantis versus Jones SWB

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I believe the  complete Jones bikes have chainstays that are 44.5 cm long.  
Hopefully Jeff will offer the LWB model as a complete.  



On Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 10:42:03 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Thank you for the feedback.  I wish the Jones was easier to test ride, but 
> not many shops carry it.  However, my in-laws do live near Talent so I 
> might have to swing by.  The more I ride the Joe, and now that I have 
> Boscos on it, the more I like the fat tire, long chainstay design.  Of 
> course the Joe has 52, with the Jones a "short" 48. $1800 seems really 
> reasonable, though shipping is quite a bit extra. The Jones seems like a 
> good Rivish mountain bike with discs.
>
> On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 4:24:14 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Jones was awesome on trails, I had the LWB one. It wasn't as whippy as my 
>> now Santa Cruz. I bet a SWB would be fun.
>>
>> I had a Clem. Stable. Boring. Got me to work just fine.
>>
>> Atlantis was decent, stiff and overbuilt for my use and weight. I do miss 
>> it. It fit well.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa, MIT Atlantis versus Jones SWB

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think RBW's introduction of the Wavie bar brings the Jones/Petersen 
convergence even closer.  I just got a Jones H Bar and really like it and 
the Wavie looks to have a similar grip angle.  I was amazed at the 
difference the Jones bar made in slow speed maneuvering and I think the 
very similar Wavie will be a big hit with Riv owners.   


On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 8:26:57 AM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Thank you Tony. And please excuse the typo. I meant LWB and
> SWB and auto correct must have changed it. Jones discussion of the 
> benefits of long chain stays seem to mirror Grant. 
>
> I like the observation of approach. Jones comes from design from 
> suspension mountain biking and Grant from road racing with a retro grouch 
> aesthetics. They seem to converge in the same space for design with a few 
> variations, disks being one. 
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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I e-mailed Jeff a year or two ago and asked if he had a unicrown fork 
planned for what was then his "Plus" bike and I think the answer was a 
negative.  Now that he has introduced a unicrown fork for the short and 
long models, I really want the LWB version.   Also, now that he has a riser 
version of his H Loop Bar, I ordered the 710mm version with clear grips 
this weekend.  They will go on my Karate Monkey and I'm really hopeful that 
I will like them.  I've been curious for years and a brief test ride on a 
new Ogre with the Moloko bar, which is similar to the Jones H-Bar, 
convinced me that there's a good chance I'll like the H-Bar.  




On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 11:34:09 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I like the discussion here and a bit off topic but not terribly so
> http://www.jonesbikes.com/jones-steel-plus-lwb-with-unicrown-fork/
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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree.  The only thing I really don't like about my Karate Monkey is the 
fact that it's suspension corrected.  The new Ogre fixes that but when I 
decide to get a new frame, it's going to be something much nicer than a 
Surly.  



On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:25:11 AM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>
>
> I think a bike is either designed for suspension or it isn’t. Trying to do 
> both is a bad idea. 
>
> There’s also the admittedly subjective matter of aesthetics (I think they 
> are as ugly as including disc and canti mounts - i.e. super ugly). 
>
> Eamon 
> Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Grant also stated that he is working on a new book!  



On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 4:09:16 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Grant's BLAHG for today (11 June 2018) links to a (very good) radio 
> interview he did.  During that interview, he confirmed a non-disc, 
> non-squish MTB is in the works.  As for other attributes the bike may or 
> may not have, I don't remember any that were mentioned ... though it 
> *might* have longish chainstays ... I'm not sure I heard that part 
> correctly, though.  To be available sometime around Jan or Feb 2019.  
> Prototypes might be available in a couple of months.
>
> Tom
>
> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 3:24:19 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> This might be a stretch, but hey, what's the fun in following a guru if 
>> you can't spend hours parsing his words and interpreting them?  I think 
>> there might be a hint towards an upcoming trail-oriented Riv (or update to 
>> an existing Riv) hidden in this passage from Grant's post yesterday 
>> 
>> : 
>>
>> In mountain bike racing and just riding, it's gone the other way. The 
>>> early guys were riding unsuitably low-tech bikes, then bikes reached a 
>>> basic good level of appropriate technology in the late '80s, and now 
>>> they've borrowed as much as possible—for now—from cars and motorcycles. 
>>> There are reactions to it the other way, with one-speed mountain bikes, but 
>>> those are fading fast because...one gear is too limiting for varied 
>>> terrain. *There's no restraint at that end, and we're going to show 'em 
>>> all what-for sometime late this year, if we can pull it off.*
>>
>>
>> I wonder what it could be...the before-hinted plus-tire Hunqapillar?  
>> Bringing back the Bombadil (probably can't be done under the LOTR gag 
>> order)?  Some other new trail-oriented rig?
>>
>> Honestly, I'm pretty satisfied with my Jones-barred Clem as my MTB 
>> (well...a threadless fork would be nice), so I'm not anxiously awaiting 
>> anything, but it would be interesting to see what they come up with.  
>>
>> Let the speculation begin! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 56cm MIT Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice bike!! I can't wait to hear a ride report. 




On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 4:33:38 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I have not had a chance to ride it yet, so I might adjust the handlebar or 
> saddle height, but I look forward to putting this into commuter duty 
> starting on Friday.  Most of the parts were pulled from my parts bin. 
>  Fenders should arrive on a Tuesday and I plan to add a rear dynamo fender 
> light. 
>
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The 54cm Hunqapillar is gone.   Hopefully someone here got it!

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:32:08 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Rivendell has four Hunqapillar demo's on the specials page, including the 
> 53cm 650B demo and that sweet, 54cm 1x11 Hunqapillar.  If I had the funds, 
> that 54 would be sold.   
>

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[RBW] Re: 26er vs 29er

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't have a lot of experience with offroad riding but based on the 
little I have, I wouldn't go with anything other than a 29'er for that type 
of riding.  The stability of bigger wheels and the ease with with they roll 
over things make a huge difference (for me) over smaller wheels.  I say 
this as a person who prefers 26 x 55 wheels/tires for pavement riding.  



On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Alright y'all, help me work out this inner quandary I've had over getting 
> a new bike or not (to replace one in my stable). The demo Hunqs shown on 
> the blug are really making my insides jump at the thought of a 29er Hunq 
> for offroad riding/bikepacking.
>
> I have 4 bikes, and I've tried specializing each (to an extent) because in 
> essence 3 of them are all-rounder type frames. I've turned one of them, a 
> 26er XO-1 clone, into my off-road tourer. 2.1" knobbies for trails, RTP for 
> roads/gravel, frame bag, front panniers, Swift saddle bag, On-One Mary bars 
> + Ergon grips, the whole getup. Recently I've been dabbling into resources 
> around 27.5 and 29er bikes for bikepacking (i.e. Surly Bridge Club and 
> Hunq), feeling that my 26er might not be the best choice nowadays in 
> today's landscape of bike options, falling short in the jack-of-all-trades 
> master-of-none kind of way.
>
> What I keep telling myself is the old adage that really, any bike will do 
> the trick (for the most part), and that my 26er XO-1 clone is a fine bike 
> for off-road touring. Plus, people rode (and ride) 26" MTBs for a lng 
> time and all was good. I don't ride offroad *that* much, but nowadways 
> when I plan multi-day trips they're geared toward mixed terrain**. I don't 
> doubt that a jump from my XO-1 clone to a Hunq would in itself make a huge 
> difference in ride quality, but in terms of wheel size, would swapping to a 
> 29er really make that big a difference?
>
> Thank you for your insight!
>
> Erik in Philly
>
> **Right now I'm in the midst of planning to ride a portion of the Idaho 
> Hot Springs MTB route in September.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was wondering if Bill's response in this thread was specualtion or a 
subtle hint at some insider information.  The possible MTB was my first 
thought. 






On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 2:10:53 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Grant had mentioned something in the Blahg about a potential mountain bike 
> that peaked my interest.  I wonder if that’s on the way. 
>
> John

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I didn't even notice that one of them had the Wavie bar.  Since the 
Bullmoose seems to have disappeared, the Wavie is the only Riv handlebar 
that might interest me.   



On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 8:17:34 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I’m liking that wavy bar!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't recall any mention of MIT Hunqapillars.  Did I miss that?



On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 8:07:04 PM UTC-5, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> In one of the actual bike descriptions they alluded to it being a chance 
> to grab one of the last from the MUSA lot.  I assume they will be better 
> served with demo MIT Hunqs moving forward.  Their brainpower and bike/frame 
> knowledge will determine whether someone will be better off(doubtful based 
> on Grant’s designs and current beliefs) with an old geometries of a MUSA 
> upcharged wait for a semi-custom build. 
>
> If I was in a standard frame size I would definitely convert to the MIT 
> bikes but at 99.5 PBH eternally grateful for my XXL Hunq(better known as a 
> 64cm Bombadil), my Toyo built 68cm Atlantis, a 68cm Custom, and a Jumbo Mt 
> Mixte.  The Atlantis and Custom were bought used (frames only). The 
> Bombadil and Mixte frames new from Riv.  Also bought full bike Clemtentine 
> for my 6’0” daughter, 58cm Betty frame for wife from Riv also. 
>
> Sincerely, 
> Ryan Hankinson 
> West Michigan

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[RBW] PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Rivendell has four Hunqapillar demo's on the specials page, including the 
53cm 650B demo and that sweet, 54cm 1x11 Hunqapillar.  If I had the funds, 
that 54 would be sold.   

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Has anyone else still not received their catalog? 



On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Just got the mail and there it was - the promised Riv catalog!  I'm going 
> to wait until after work to savor it with a beer in hand on the back 
> patio.  Just from the cover, it looks to be of high quality.  Much as you 
> would expect.
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That makes sense.   Thanks!



On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 9:15:27 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> There are no Waterford bikes listed, custom or semi-production. As I've 
> been alluding to for a while, I think RBW is focusing on the Taiwan frames 
> they can actually keep in stock and sell at a price people will pay. 

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[RBW] Re: RIV Catalog Arrived

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Fingers crossed that I get mine today!

Interesting that the Hunqapillar is missing, especially given that the 650B 
versions were recently introduced.  



On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Just got the mail and there it was - the promised Riv catalog!  I'm going 
> to wait until after work to savor it with a beer in hand on the back 
> patio.  Just from the cover, it looks to be of high quality.  Much as you 
> would expect.
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This is a great resource!  Thanks to Reed for hosting these, thanks to 
anyone who provided files and especially thanks to Grant for giving 
permission for this.  




On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 6:27:23 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> There was a query yonder on the FB about specific editions of the 
> Rivendell Readers. (They were requesting RR#10, RR#41 and RR#42).  
>
> Turns out that the latter two had been uploaded to a Cyclofiend.com 
> archive folder.  Toward the end of the Reader run, they would make a PDF 
> version of the readers available in addition to the print version. And I 
> stashed these two here - 
>
> RR#42 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
>
> RR#41 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR41_web.pdf
>
> As i was searching to see if there were more of these around, I came 
> across the references and a thread to the sethdot.org project to set up a 
> Reader archive. I have to say that saddened me a bit, as I realized how 
> long it had been since Seth Vidal left us way too soon. Sigh. He was 
> quality guy who I am sad to say I never got to meet in person. 
>
> Since my own collection of early Readers had been a bit sporadic (I had 
> enjoyed the first ones via copies borrowed from someone else, since 
> returned), I had bought the first CD of Readers way back when.  This 
> included RR#'s 1 through 11.  (Yes, it went up to 11...) Since surprisingly 
> fewer computers these days even can swallow CD's, I thought it prudent to 
> copy these to a dropbox folder, which should be accessible via this link 
> for now - 
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5f0hbf4i5e5n2dq/II0rxQi1lpzCCiU5JbeAa?dl=0
>
> I'll add to this thread as more items are unearthed.
>
> - Jim
>
> cyclo...@gmail.com  / cyclofiend.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Canti Sam Hillborne: No Cable Hangers

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If the Mini-moto had enough clearance for the tires I like, I would run 
those exclusively.  Unfortunately, PAUL's long-pull moto-lite is ugly as 
sin. 



On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 7:29:23 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I think the Paul mini motos would be super attractive on a Sam. 

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[RBW] Re: Is the Surly Bridge Club a Disc-braked Hunqapillar?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Radavist just unveiled a new Crust bike, the Bombora (yeah, the name 
really caught my eye) .  It's a 27.5 x 2.4" tig welded frame with a 
bi-plane fork.  There is no real information other than a few photos but 
this bike might factor into a Hunqapillar/Bridge Club discussion.   It 
looks like it's specifically designed for drop bars.  



On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> Surly released a new bike recently called the Bridge Club. It's a 650b 
> rough-stuff touring bike. I haven't seen much interest on the various bike 
> forums I regularly read, so I thought I'd bring it up here.
>
> To answer the question from my subject line, of course not. However, the 
> Long Haul Trucker is often compared to the Altantis even though it's 
> lacking the subtle Riv details that add up to a not-subtle difference. So, 
> comparing the Bridge Club to the Hunq, it's similar in mission, and takes 
> big 650b tires like the newer Hunq. It has a slightly steeper seat tube, 
> shorter chainstays, higher BB, etc. Those are the (not)subtle differences. 
> The less subtle are disc brakes, threadless headset, TIG welding, tubing 
> choice, etc. I would argue those differences make less practical difference.
>
> For me, I'm interested in the Bridge Club. I couldn't quite get myself to 
> pull the trigger on the Hunq. Rim brakes sealed its fate for me. The war on 
> that topic has been fought. An uneasy truce declared, but I know what side 
> I'm on.
>
> These days I'd rather have a threadless steerer, and Surly bikes come with 
> very long steerers, so if you get to it before the bike shop slams the stem 
> and cuts the steerer tube, it's easy to get the bars at a comfortable 
> height. Otherwise, Crust or VO can supply tall threadless stems.
>
> Last of all, I like blue, when I was considering the Hunq, I figured I'd 
> have it painted Homer blue. The Bridge Club comes that way stock.
>
> I'm curious what other RBW owners think about this.
>
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Is the Surly Bridge Club a Disc-braked Hunqapillar?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I should have noted that I prefer a long reach to the handlebar and the 
Hunq would have a cramped cockpit for me.  I could make it work but it 
wouldn't be optimal for my preferences.   I like a longer top tube with a 
shorter stem, rather than a shorter top tube with a longer stem.  The 
former just seems to handle better to me.   





On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> Yes, it's not going to ride like a Riv. That's the (not)subtle geometry 
> differences in effect. Does a LHT ride like an Atlantis? I doubt it.
>
> Functionally though, they're in the same ballpark.
>
> Chris, I'm curious how you can't get the same reach. Couple an uncut 
> steerer with the currently fashionable 35-50mm MTB stems and a 31.8 to 25.4 
> adapter, and you should be able to achieve high bars and a reasonable reach.
>
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Is the Surly Bridge Club a Disc-braked Hunqapillar?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't own a Riv but I have been researching and drooling over the 
Hunqapillar for about 8 years now and I'm also a Surly fanboy.

I would say that functionally, the Bridge Club and 650B Hunqapillar are far 
more alike than they are different.  

The largest functional difference I see is effective top-tube length.  In 
an apples-to-apples comparison (taking seat angle into account), the Surly 
has an ETT that is about 35mm longer than the Hunq's.   That's a big 
difference that for me, can't be overcome with different handlebar/stem 
combos.  

There is also a very large difference in chainstay lengths but I find I'm 
not that sensitive to chainstay length and that wouldn't really be an issue 
for me.  I can ride short or long, quite happily.  





On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 6:53:55 AM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> Surly released a new bike recently called the Bridge Club. It's a 650b 
> rough-stuff touring bike. I haven't seen much interest on the various bike 
> forums I regularly read, so I thought I'd bring it up here.
>
> To answer the question from my subject line, of course not. However, the 
> Long Haul Trucker is often compared to the Altantis even though it's 
> lacking the subtle Riv details that add up to a not-subtle difference. So, 
> comparing the Bridge Club to the Hunq, it's similar in mission, and takes 
> big 650b tires like the newer Hunq. It has a slightly steeper seat tube, 
> shorter chainstays, higher BB, etc. Those are the (not)subtle differences. 
> The less subtle are disc brakes, threadless headset, TIG welding, tubing 
> choice, etc. I would argue those differences make less practical difference.
>
> For me, I'm interested in the Bridge Club. I couldn't quite get myself to 
> pull the trigger on the Hunq. Rim brakes sealed its fate for me. The war on 
> that topic has been fought. An uneasy truce declared, but I know what side 
> I'm on.
>
> These days I'd rather have a threadless steerer, and Surly bikes come with 
> very long steerers, so if you get to it before the bike shop slams the stem 
> and cuts the steerer tube, it's easy to get the bars at a comfortable 
> height. Otherwise, Crust or VO can supply tall threadless stems.
>
> Last of all, I like blue, when I was considering the Hunq, I figured I'd 
> have it painted Homer blue. The Bridge Club comes that way stock.
>
> I'm curious what other RBW owners think about this.
>
> Chris
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Reader PDF Archives

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If they started selling the flash drives again, I would probably buy one.  



On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 6:47:37 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Probably a more well thought-out consideration... 
>
> I'd ask him again. Though if he catches this thread and wants to comment 
> here, that would be good.  
>
> There were those cork (?) flash drives which had the pdf's.  Though since 
> I had a stack of the print versions, I never thought to buy one.  
>
> If you get the OK, let me know - be happy to land those in the same folder 
> for now and host the archive. 
>
> On Saturday, May 5, 2018 at 4:42:22 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jim,
>>
>> I have numbers 12 through 35 as PDFs. I’ve been hoping to share them, but 
>> didn’t feel great about doing so without Grant’s permission. I emailed him 
>> to ask a while ago, but never heard back. (No surprise, he’s busy!)
>>
>> I’m torn. I’d love to help out and make all these great stories and 
>> useful information available, but I’m not really sure they’re mine to 
>> give... Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:27 PM Cyclofiend Jim > > wrote:
>>
>>> There was a query yonder on the FB about specific editions of the 
>>> Rivendell Readers. (They were requesting RR#10, RR#41 and RR#42).  
>>>
>>> Turns out that the latter two had been uploaded to a Cyclofiend.com 
>>> archive folder.  Toward the end of the Reader run, they would make a PDF 
>>> version of the readers available in addition to the print version. And I 
>>> stashed these two here - 
>>>
>>> RR#42 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
>>>
>>> RR#41 - http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR41_web.pdf
>>>
>>> As i was searching to see if there were more of these around, I came 
>>> across the references and a thread to the sethdot.org project to set up 
>>> a Reader archive. I have to say that saddened me a bit, as I realized how 
>>> long it had been since Seth Vidal left us way too soon. Sigh. He was 
>>> quality guy who I am sad to say I never got to meet in person. 
>>>
>>> Since my own collection of early Readers had been a bit sporadic (I had 
>>> enjoyed the first ones via copies borrowed from someone else, since 
>>> returned), I had bought the first CD of Readers way back when.  This 
>>> included RR#'s 1 through 11.  (Yes, it went up to 11...) Since surprisingly 
>>> fewer computers these days even can swallow CD's, I thought it prudent to 
>>> copy these to a dropbox folder, which should be accessible via this link 
>>> for now - 
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5f0hbf4i5e5n2dq/II0rxQi1lpzCCiU5JbeAa?dl=0
>>>
>>> I'll add to this thread as more items are unearthed.
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>> cyclo...@gmail.com  / cyclofiend.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: May Snow

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That looks like a blast!!!  



On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 5:19:12 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which there’s no chance it won’t. Grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/may-snow
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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This bike has me more excited and curious than any new Riv since I started 
following in 2011.  

No offense to Grant & Co., but I really hope they can come up with a better 
name.   

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

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I have to admit, I was having some reservations on the catalog after seeing 
the illustrations posted on the Blog/Bluhg but this looks really good.   I 
think I was afraid the bikes would be illustrations and I'm glad to see 
they used real photos. 




On Saturday, April 28, 2018 at 5:26:28 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> Looking through the new brochure it looks like the AHH is going to be also 
> be made in Taiwan. I love the idea and it looks in between sizes with Sam 
> and the AHH will be the 650B Sam and the Atlantis the 650B Joe Appaloosa. 

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[RBW] Re: Betty's an eBike Now

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I consider myself to be fairly traditional in my bike tastes and part of 
the appeal of bicycling is the physical exertion involved in spirited 
riding.  Having said that, I stepped into a bike shop last year and the 
owner offered me a test ride on an electric assist bike and I can honestly 
say that it was the most fun I've had on a bike since childhood.  I have 
every intention of someday adding an e-bike to my stable.  



On Monday, April 23, 2018 at 8:44:53 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Some of y'all might remember me. *waves hello*
>
> Unfortunately, as my rheumatoid arthritis and vascular conditions 
> progressed, I had to stop riding my bike. I've missed my Rizzo so much, and 
> was thinking about selling her. I did add a Vespa to my stable, but it just 
> never gave me the same feeling I got from riding my bike. 
>
> A while back (a couple of years?) I asked whether anyone in this group had 
> any experience with converting a Betty Foy or any other Rivendell bike to 
> an eBike. There weren't many responses, and for a long time, I gave up hope 
> that I'd be able to ride ever again... until about two weeks ago. 
>
> I went into my local eBike shop, and asked whether it was possible to 
> convert my beloved Rizzo to an eBike, and they said that while it would be 
> a challenge, it was doable. I had to get a new wheel built, and I had to 
> sign a waiver about braking because the Betty Foy doesn't come with disc 
> brakes.
>
> Today I am happy to report that a reputable eBike dealer can in fact 
> convert a Riv bike to an eBike, and I'm back riding again. Hooray!
>
> I just needed to share my joy with people who would get it. Cheers, 
> everyone!
>

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[RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It looks similar to another bar I ruled out for various reasons but if this 
is not a bar that is already out there under another name, it may be 
different enough to consider.  



On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 9:29:34 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I’m pretty sure all new Riv bars are Riv exclusive, but I’m not positive. 
> Why would it matter?   
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito, Ca

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[RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Does anyone know if this is a Riv exclusive?




On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>
> After hearing about the upcoming Wavie handlebars from Bill Lindsay in this 
> post 
> , I 
> took his suggestion to ask Riv if they would send some photos ahead of the 
> catalog arrival. Vince came through, and also mentioned that the bars are 
> 66 cm wide with a 25.4 mm diameter at the clamp, and they should arrive at 
> Rivendell next month in their Nitto shipment. So (with Vince's permission), 
> here they are. They look great!
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Bob E
>
> Cranford, New Jersey
>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

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Whoa!   I expected a subtle difference.  That looks like two different 
frames!!  





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[RBW] Re: Hunqabeam Quickapillar Frame Finished!

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Very nice!!   

You may have covered it in another thread but do you plan to decal it or 
leave it as-is?  


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Re: [RBW] Seen on My instagram: 700x55 Compass slicks

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I avoided social media for years and then realized I could set it up to 
reflect my hobbies.  My Instagram account is 100% bike stuff, my Twitter 
account is 100% news, etc...   It's a great way to receive instant 
newssuch as these tires!



On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 9:25:38 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting that. Funny, I write resumes for a lot of marketing 
> execs, and I've had to learn about social media, all the while disdaining 
> to use the things. 
>
> I'll be interested to learn how wide these are in real life.
>
> Patrick Moore, whose bike has room for 60s and fenders, in ABQ, NM
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio <
> web...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Some folks will be measuring chainstay and fork crown clearances.
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BhVo5GrBsNj/
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[RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

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Are those one of the WTB 47mm tires and if so, did you measure the 
stand-over?  I think I'm just on the cusp of fitting a 56 (versus a 53) 
Hunqapillar.  



On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 10:28:47 AM UTC-5, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> It's a gently used 56 cm 650b I picked up in  December from a list member. 
>  I sold my Sam H. and a '93 XO-2 to fund the frameset.  I'm down to this, a 
> Quickbeam and an'94 XO-3 and my Gary Fisher tandem.  My wife has the Rosco 
> Bubbaloosa mixte.  Feel to ask build questions.
>
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e5x4XoXgIKDqnGqL2
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis-to-Poster (need not be long thread, just saying this)

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I look forward to seeing a new RBW poster! 



On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 10:49:40 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Some of these questions or just unclear-confusing-redundancy things, like 
> why both the JoeAppa and Atla will be made clearer in the catalog. 
>
> On another note, this time about the Rivendell - David Lance Goines 
> poster: DLG used the same printing device (press?) for almost 50 years, and 
> it was about 50 years old when he got it...as I remember from his telling. 
> Two years ago it crapped out and he had to get another one, 50 years 
> younger but still 50 years old or older, made by another maker and I think 
> in another country. For most of his posters, the newer machine works, he 
> has been able to get good results, but wouldn't you know it--ours, which 
> appears to have at most 9 colors in it, actually has 14, according to the 
> one guy who ought to know, and he's tried and failed three or so times to 
> get the same results.
> I've suggested he dumb it down some to make it easier, it would still look 
> good, but he doesn't do that, so we've been out of posters for about 3 
> years. After I read the thing about the extra poster and the number game, I 
> contacted him again and said, "...still here, still want...wuzzup?"  He 
> assured me he'd try again, and I have no doubt.As I've said before 
> somewhere: (1) He really likes that poster, he has used it as an example in 
> articles and stuff where he could have used any poster in his portfolio; 
> and (2) He likes me and my enthusiasm for the poster---and is about as 
> Unracery as one can get, with all black clothes, black hat, cane, and 
> handlebar moustache. He rode a lot in the '70s, and still feels the kinship.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:14 AM, phil k  
> wrote:
>
>> I view this board as largely people giving their impressions based on 
>> their own experience. It's what I like about it this board. 
>>
>> It's an amalgamation of everyone's experience that may be helpful to 
>> some, not relevant to others. I'm not sure I detect any mansplaining on 
>> this thread (there aren't any women being patronized, or at least I hope 
>> not), merely people giving their first impressions and speculations based 
>> on little information given and trying to parlay their own experience to 
>> how it would translate to the new Atlantis.
>>
>> I'm enjoying the various thoughts on this thread. I'm not sure where else 
>> I would be able to find a 9 page thread about the Atlantis.
>>
>> I really want to buy this Atlantis, but saving up for a wedding at the 
>> moment.
>>
>> As for being redundant with the Appaloosa, I think the Atlantis will work 
>> better with drop bars. I couldn't use drops comfortably on the Appaloosa, 
>> even with a dirt drop bar. Hopefully, the new Atlantis is still made for 
>> touring loads as well.
>>
>> If the Appaloosa ends up being redundant, I would DEFINITELY be stoked 
>> for a Made in Taiwan lugged mountain mixte with the Appaloosa fork crown 
>> and head badge...
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ified Trek 850 Commuter.

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Nice bike!   I have an '84 830 and it's a very nice riding bike.   Totally 
different than most of the MTB's of that era and very much like a 26" 
Atlantis in geometry.  



On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 4:22:56 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> Got a box from Riv and finished up a build of a bike that jumped around on 
> the iBOB list. I bought it, sold it, it spent some time in Portland, then 
> headed back my way. 
> 1x7 drivetrain, new wheels, Rat Trap Pass tires with room for fenders, 
> Wald basket. 
> This was the first year Trek offered a mountain bike and they basically 
> made a touring bike with 26” wheels and gobs of clearance. 
> This one’s a 62cm. If Rivendell ever offered a tall Atlantis with 26” 
> wheels, it be pretty darn close to this. 
>
> Photos here: https://instagram.com/p/BgwsM7Mhbgw/ 
>
> David 
> River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ified Trek 850 Commuter.

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Nice bike!   I have an '84 830 and it's a very nice riding bike.   Totally 
different than most of the MTB's of that era and very much like a 26" 
Atlantis.  



On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 4:22:56 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> Got a box from Riv and finished up a build of a bike that jumped around on 
> the iBOB list. I bought it, sold it, it spent some time in Portland, then 
> headed back my way. 
> 1x7 drivetrain, new wheels, Rat Trap Pass tires with room for fenders, 
> Wald basket. 
> This was the first year Trek offered a mountain bike and they basically 
> made a touring bike with 26” wheels and gobs of clearance. 
> This one’s a 62cm. If Rivendell ever offered a tall Atlantis with 26” 
> wheels, it be pretty darn close to this. 
>
> Photos here: https://instagram.com/p/BgwsM7Mhbgw/ 
>
> David 
> River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: David Lance Goines Riv Bike Poster

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68


>

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[RBW] Re: David Lance Goines Riv Bike Poster

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68

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 5:46:46 PM UTC-5, John wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> Hi
>
>
> I seem to have Two of the Riv Goines posters. I’ll never frame and hang 
> both, SO
>
>
> I’m giving one away...I have a number between 1 & 100 written down.
>
>
> Post a comment with a 2 digit number between 1 and 100. I’ll check back in 
> a day or so, see if anyone has guessed correctly.   Example -  “65” - 
> nothing else. Having only the two digit number makes it easy to scan the 
> list
>
>
> First person who posts the corect 2 digit number gets the Poster. I’ll pay 
> shipping. One Guess per person!  
>
>
> Yes there is a catch!  I ask whoever gets the poster makes a donation of 
> any size to 826 Valencia 
>
>
>  (http://826valencia.org)
>
>
> And, if you are reading this you can donate, even without a poster. 
>
>
> Thanks for reading
>
>
> John O
>
>
>

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[RBW] Paul Mini moto real world clearances

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I've seen quite a few Rivs with various Paul brakes and I'm really curious 
how big a slick anyone has used with the Mini Moto.  I know Paul states a 
45mm maximum tire width but I don't know if that includes knobbies or if 
the knobbies add to that.  He has a video showing the brake works with a 
50mm fender but I have no idea how fender width and tire width compare.   


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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

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Great news!!!   





On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:38:03 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

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My wife took me to a Cajun restaurant for lunch today and there was small 
LBS next door so I ventured in and found a real rarityan LBS guy 
who is a big Rivendell fan!   He mentioned that one of his customers brings 
in a "copper" colored Rivendell with  double-top tubes and that when the 
bike is there, he can't stop looking at it!  He also loves the double top 
tubes.  I ran down the list of models I've seen with two top tubes and he 
thought it was a Bombadil.  We had a nice bike discussion and he's as big a 
bike nerd as any one of us and goes to HAHBS and has met many of the big 
names and even knew GP worked at Bridgestone!

Anyway, the point of all this is that I mentioned Rivendell's situation and 
asked him to spread the word to anyone he knows or thinks may be a fan.   





On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 6:23:51 PM UTC-6, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> I've see a few posts on Instagram also spreading the news about Rivendell; 
> the word is getting out:
>
> https://instagram.com/p/BfjltyYgIir/
> https://instagram.com/p/BfjjkX6Ac1S/
>
> As for my part, I got a few gift certificates. In doing so, I left the 
> browser open and my wife read about it and saw a web special Roadini in her 
> size. A quick zip over to Walnut Creek and she has her first ever Rivendell 
> steed!
>
> Ben
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day!

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Beautiful bike!!   Congrats!!



On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 5:57:27 PM UTC-6, Birdman wrote:
>
> I finally finished the Atlantis build today, just in time to break her in 
> before a birthday ride along the Deschutes in Central Oregon next weekend. 
>
> A lot of inspiration and knowledge from this group went into this build. 
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Isaac
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

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Speaking to my own particulars, I haven't found what anonymous is 
describing.  I want a bike with a traditional diamond frame, a low bottom 
bracket, long'ish chainstays, clearance for 2.25" tires, 700c/29'er wheels, 
canti-posts, stout tubing and the real kicker for me, an ETT that is long 
enough for me to have a comfortable reach (ie, 60cm +).  The Hunqapillar is 
the only Riv model that might have a long enough ETT.  I don't really know 
because there seems to be so much confusion on whether the geometry specs 
that Riv puts out are accurate.  The Clem is close but in my size (52) it 
would require a new set of wheels, rather than letting me use the really 
nice Rich Lesnik wheels I already have.  

I'm also open to the same bike with 26" wheels and the LHT comes close but 
it's 57cm ETT rules it out for me.  

Really, the only bike I've found on the market that meets all of my 
criteria is the Hunqapillar but a new one is just too expensive. Hopefully 
I'll be able to someday pick one up on the used market.  




On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 10:47:10 AM UTC-6, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I see where anonomous is coming from and think (he) has a point.  There 
> is/would be/should be a market for the type of bike he describes:  Riv 
> geometry, ride and utility without the lugs, paint, etc.  But doesn't this 
> already exist?  Check out Soma, frames for under $800.  I'm assuming the 
> $800 reference in the post was for frame only.  If for a whole bike, that's 
> a bit more of a challenge.  And what of the Bleriot?  It went for $750 not 
> so long ago, fully lugged, beautiful paint and extensive graphics.  I'm 
> just putting out some of my observations, not saying what Riv should do.  
> Just saying that it's a direction they could go, with a lower entry level 
> and perhaps a different series name.  And after all, Grant did design the 
> Soma San Marcos.  
>
> On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 11:02:07 AM UTC-5, anonomous wrote:
>>
>>
>> My dream Rivendell would be any of their lineup that stripped off all the 
>> expensive aesthetic luxuries, while preserving all the function. Same 
>> tubes, same geometry, same magical ride. NO lugs, fancy paint, or complex 
>> decals. Just Tig welded and powdercoated a single color. 
>>
>> Imagine all the camping function of an Atlantis, for like $800, of which 
>> Riv got to keep 20% instead of 5% or whatever their margins are now. In 
>> terms of geo and function Rivendell are literally decades ahead of their 
>> time. The bikes are incredibly desirable to young riders. But, 
>> frustratingly, their prices are jacked up sky high via a frankly bizarre 
>> fixation on superficial luxury, and we just can't afford them! Like, OK, 
>> custom made investment-cast lugs are nice looking, but they add zero 
>> function to the bike while costing a fortune. Meanwhile the company is 
>> constantly on the brink of bankruptcy, presumably due to low volume and low 
>> margins. 
>>
>> Maybe you think that all the superficial luxuries are part of Rivendell's 
>> core brand. Maybe! But for me the real interest is the incredibly refined 
>> and optimized geometry and construction. Lugs aren't worth anything to me, 
>> personally. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't really have an interest in disc brakes but a tig welded Hunqapillar 
clone in the clem frameset price range would make me a happy man.  



On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:30:33 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Now that I've conjured up my future-Riv on the "what type of bike" thread 
> (full disclosure: I also sent an email to Roman @ Riv), I guess I'll 
> campaign for it on its own thread. 
>
> I know Grant/Riv isn't big on disc brakes, but a lot of people prefer them 
> in the dirt. I'm not sure there's much of a market for a pricier 
> fully-lugged disc Riv, but a Hunqapillar-ish semi-TIGed 650B model in the 
> Clem/Roadini price range would be the bee's pajamas. Would you buy a Riv 
> dirt bike (I'm campaigning for a small "dirt bike" decal, too) with 
> mechanical discs?
>
> Joe "weak hands" Bernard
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My trials and tribulations with upright bars

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I've put a set of albatross bars on almost every bike I've had in the past 
few years, including one with the same geometry as some current Rivs, and 
no amount of tweaking could make them feel good or even bearable.  I think 
upright, pullback bars just aren't for everyone.  I say this as someone who 
really, really wanted to like them.  



On Sunday, January 21, 2018 at 2:16:13 PM UTC-6, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I read more and more testimonials from people about how awesome their 
> switch was to upright handlebars, I wanted to try 'em.  I like drop bars as 
> long as they're saddle-height or higher, but there's a semi-conscious part 
> of me that feels the teensiest-bit compelled to push drop-bar bikes just a 
> little, and sometimes I want to just putz along and enjoy the scenery, and 
> not even consider my speed or trip time.  Plus, as I get older I thought 
> that uprights may be in my future anyway, so why not give 'em a shot now?
>
> So, I took a Velo-Orange Polyvalent and replaced the drop bars with 
> porteur bars.  It's okay, but I feel like I'm kinda caught between a 
> forward lean and sitting upright, in a no-man's land of Tweenerville.  So 
> maybe this isn't the right bike on which to test upright bars, I thought, 
> so I converted a V-O Campeur from drop bars to V-O Left Bank bars.  Nope, I 
> thought, not fond of this.  But those Albatross bars that everyone thinks 
> is the bees knees?---let's try *those* on the Campeur!  It was better, 
> and I thought it might actually be fine, but the more I rode it the less I 
> liked it, so I swapped the bars back to drop and was reminded of what a 
> great bike the Campeur is---with drops.  
>
> Maybe those are the wrong bikes for uprights, I though, so I bought a 
> Cheviot and set it up with Albatross bars, 'cause the Cheviot was 
> *designed* for Albatross bars and Albas are *the best*, right?  Right? 
>  Everyone says so, so it must be true.  As I was engaging in this 
> experiment I thought to myself that would be the Gold Standard of 
> Upright-Bar Setups, and if I don't like this then I must not like upright 
> bars---but meanwhile I was sure it'd be *good* because everyone says it 
> is.  
>
> I don't like it.  A couple of days ago I took it out for what I'd intended 
> to be a 13-mile trial ride to see how things went at that relatively short 
> distance, and ended up going 24 miles.  That's a typical ride for me on a 
> drop-bar bike, and know how I feel when I get home.  On the Cheviot I felt 
> slow and never quite comfortable in a upright position, with the most 
> natural feeling coming when I was stretched out (relatively speaking) and 
> holding onto the bends that are furtherest toward the front.  But that's 
> close to where the bends would be on a drop-bar bike, so in essence I was 
> mimicking the position I'd be in on such a bike, and wasn't comfortable in 
> the position in which the Albas were designed to put me.  Also, my hands 
> got kinda numb and didn't work well; toward the end of the ride I tried to 
> wave a car through an intersection ahead of me by waving my fingers, and 
> they wouldn't bend.  I went a longer distance than I'd initially planned to 
> on that ride because I thought maybe I needed more time or distance to 
> acclimate to the Albas, but instead of things feeling better they felt 
> worse as the ride progressed.  
>
> With that background, I have 2 questions for the group:
>
> 1.  Has anyone else experienced something similar and then fixed it, for 
> example by raising or lowering the bars or the angle of the bars or 
> changing the stem extension?  There was a recent thread that indicated not 
> everyone likes upright bars (which I read only after I'd built up the 
> Cheviot), but it didn't get to my specific question about whether someone 
> could convert from nonliker to liker of uprights by adjusting 'em.  
>
> 2.  Has anyone used drop bars on a Cheviot?  I know they're not designed 
> for drops, but given that I liked the extended position the best, I'm 
> thinking that drops might be more suitable for me than uprights.  And 
> follow-up question:  Would drops on a Cheviot make it essentially a mixte 
> Sam Hillborne but with longer chain stays?  I'm thinking yes, and I don't 
> need to duplicate the 2 Sams I already have.  
>
> Thanks in advance for any input on this.  I know I could continue to play 
> with set-ups and hope to stumble across a solution, but I'm tired of that 
> and about ready to give up on the Cheviot and am hoping to find a solution 
> more efficiently than trial and error, if one exists.  If I can't get to 
> liking the Cheviot then I'm gonna consider that I'm in the 
> don't-care-for-uprights camp, but first wanted to eliminate the possibility 
> that there's a simple solution I'm just not seeing.  
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Are you having repainted in the same color scheme? 


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 4:45:04 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Let us know how you like them, John! Me Hunq is just fine. It’s in to swap 
> the dropouts to long horizontal dropouts for fixed riding. So, Mark 
> Nobilette has it now, is designing the dropouts, *then likely to the 
> painters for a fresh coat.* Hoping for spring. I didn’t think I’d miss it 
> much with the Quickbeam outfitted for winter riding, but ‘ve been tempted 
> with all this dry weather to do a few bikepacking trips ... until I 
> remember I don’t have the Hunq. Sardonic grin. The way I figure it, the 
> surest way to get snow is to go bikepacking. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Gravel and Grind in Frederick MD is closing

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I've made a few internet purchases from them and their website is as 
entertaining as RBW's.   I hope they are successful in whatever direction 
they've decided to go.  We need more unique, fiercely independent shops 
like G   




On Friday, January 5, 2018 at 11:41:41 AM UTC-6, johnb wrote:
>
> https://gravelandgrind.com/gravel-grind-movin/
>
> Good coffee and a great bike shop. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

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I'm not sure that my riding position qualifies as "upright" as being 
discussed in this thread but all of my bikes end up with the handlebars 
7-8cm higher than my saddle and I consider my position to be upright.  
 After years of discomfort, no matter what I tried, I accidently discovered 
that my reach to the bar has to be much longer than I thought.   I'm 5'11" 
and I'm riding a bike with a 61cm ETT, a 17 degree 110mm stem and that is 
the only combo that has given me any kind of comfort.  All of my rides are 
short but I experienced pain almost immediately with a shorter reach. 






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[RBW] Re: New to me Bomba

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What size Bombadil is this?   



On Friday, November 3, 2017 at 9:28:34 AM UTC-5, ericf3 wrote:
>
> greetings
>
> after a huge gestation period, I picked up Bomba this week, and love it.  
> Alas, the rains have started and I want to retain the newness, so am only 
> riding it around the apartment for now...
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba-LIRDh7qt/
>
> I think it looks great, and so far it rides wonderfully.  A tip of the hat 
> to Sky for his patience in the process.
>
> I am trying to have at least one bit from each of the "significant " LBSs 
> in my life*.  (Difficulty: Park'n'Pedal in Banff seems to have vanished.)
>
> EricF
> Vancouver BC
>
> *4 in Vancouver, 1 Banff, 1 Calgary, 1 Hull-Ottawa
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

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I've seen many opinions on what constitutes a "Rivish" bike and my own 
thoughts have varied over the years.  At this point, I would say that a 
durable, practical, versatile and comfortable bike ridden with a "Just 
Ride" attitude, is "Rivish".  

I can't quite convince myself that a carbon bike is Rivish and I struggle a 
bit with even aluminum.  I tend to agree with Grant that a bike should have 
a lifespan measured in decades, rather than years.   I would never consider 
a non-steel bike that I personally own to be "Rivish" but I wouldn't argue 
that someone else's non-steel bike isn't "Rivish".  




On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I was at Riv HQ yesterday and had a longish chat with several of the 
> staff.  Will, Corey, Roman, Mark, and I waved hi to Vince.  They had been 
> paying attention to my 10x200 thing, and we talked a little bit about that, 
> and we also talked about the Marin Mountains 200k that had been a big part 
> of the focus of my training.  That ride was scheduled for Oct 14, but got 
> moved to the 28th because of the fires, so it's just a few days away.  
> I was telling Will about the bike I'm going to be using, with it's carbon 
> fiber shock fork and disc brakes.  Here's a link to the photo for those who 
> didn't see it before:
>
> NINER 
> 
>
> I made the comment to Will that it's probably my least Rivvish bike, 
> meaning that it's aluminum, with a carbon shock fork, with disc brakes, 
> etc.  It's 'modern'.  It's 'contemporary', etc.  Will disagreed.  Will said 
> he thinks it is totally Rivvish, because I've considered every part on the 
> bike, and decided on what will work for me, with zero consideration about 
> what others expect me to run.  This fork works for me, so I'm running it.  
> I want shifters on the steertube, so I made a shifter mount.  I think 
> hydraulic discs are the best, so I'm running them.  I think brifters are 
> lame, so I'm not running them.  I want 650B wheels on a Niner, so there.  I 
> want a dynamo hub, even though I'm running 15mm through axle.  I 
> commissioned a custom lamp mount.  Etc etc. The upshot is that "being 
> Rivvish" does not mean blindly following Riv's style. It means freeing 
> yourself from style-following.  
>
> Since Will is young, pale and bald, I thought we should paraphrase 
> spoon-boy
>
>
> 
>
> Do not try and bend the *style*, that's impossible. Instead, only try to 
> realize the truth...*there is no style*. Then you'll see that it is not 
> the *style* that bends, it is only yourself.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've seen many opinions on what constitutes a "Rivish" bike and my own 
thoughts have varied over the years.  At this point, I would say that a 
durable, practical, versatile and comfortable bike ridden with a "Just 
Ride" attitude, is "Rivish".  

I can't quite convince myself that a carbon bike is Rivish and I struggle a 
bit with even aluminum.  I tend to agree with Grant that a bike should have 
a lifespan measured in decades, rather than years.   I would never consider 
a non-steel bike that I personally own to be "Rivish" but I wouldn't argue 
that someone else's non-steel bike isn't "Rivish".  



On Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I was at Riv HQ yesterday and had a longish chat with several of the 
> staff.  Will, Corey, Roman, Mark, and I waved hi to Vince.  They had been 
> paying attention to my 10x200 thing, and we talked a little bit about that, 
> and we also talked about the Marin Mountains 200k that had been a big part 
> of the focus of my training.  That ride was scheduled for Oct 14, but got 
> moved to the 28th because of the fires, so it's just a few days away.  
> I was telling Will about the bike I'm going to be using, with it's carbon 
> fiber shock fork and disc brakes.  Here's a link to the photo for those who 
> didn't see it before:
>
> NINER 
> 
>
> I made the comment to Will that it's probably my least Rivvish bike, 
> meaning that it's aluminum, with a carbon shock fork, with disc brakes, 
> etc.  It's 'modern'.  It's 'contemporary', etc.  Will disagreed.  Will said 
> he thinks it is totally Rivvish, because I've considered every part on the 
> bike, and decided on what will work for me, with zero consideration about 
> what others expect me to run.  This fork works for me, so I'm running it.  
> I want shifters on the steertube, so I made a shifter mount.  I think 
> hydraulic discs are the best, so I'm running them.  I think brifters are 
> lame, so I'm not running them.  I want 650B wheels on a Niner, so there.  I 
> want a dynamo hub, even though I'm running 15mm through axle.  I 
> commissioned a custom lamp mount.  Etc etc. The upshot is that "being 
> Rivvish" does not mean blindly following Riv's style. It means freeing 
> yourself from style-following.  
>
> Since Will is young, pale and bald, I thought we should paraphrase 
> spoon-boy
>
>
> 
>
> Do not try and bend the *style*, that's impossible. Instead, only try to 
> realize the truth...*there is no style*. Then you'll see that it is not 
> the *style* that bends, it is only yourself.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for posting the clearance pics!   I've been following some of the 
online chatter on dedicated MTB's and many people think the industry is 
going to settle on 27.5 x 2.6 tires rather than full 3" tires.  It looks 
like those would be a possibility on this bike.   


On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 8:51:57 PM UTC-5, MountNormal wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
> So the 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived! I've attached a couple of pics (I 
> think). Impression? It's more nimble and light than I expected but I'm used 
> to riding a Surly Ice Cream Truck so I suppose I should have know it would 
> be snappier than a fat bike. Anywho, just thought I'd share. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Stephen
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Is the tire clearance maxed out with those 2.4's?I recently rode some 
27.5+ and they were amazing.   



On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 8:51:57 PM UTC-5, MountNormal wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
> So the 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived! I've attached a couple of pics (I 
> think). Impression? It's more nimble and light than I expected but I'm used 
> to riding a Surly Ice Cream Truck so I suppose I should have know it would 
> be snappier than a fat bike. Anywho, just thought I'd share. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Stephen
>
>

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I had some time to kill yesterday so I stopped into a big LBS that I have 
only been to once, several years ago.  My primary purpose was to see 
in-person and possibly ride a "+" bike.  I ended up killing many birds with 
one stone, when the owner came out and chatted me up and asked if I had 
time to ride an e-bike.  He had a whole row of demo bikes and he asked me 
what type bike I like and I emphasized that I like "FAT" tires.  So, he put 
me on a full-suspension, 27.5+ e-bike.  This let me experience:  an e-bike, 
27.5,  plus size tires, current progressive trail geometry (slack head 
angle, really short stem, wide handlebar) and front AND rear suspension. 
 All of these are things I've been curious about.  

I would encourage everyone to go out and try an e-bike.  

This video I found last night sums up my experience perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fAtNi2Nozc=131sThe bike I rode was 
the FS version of the bike in the video.

Things I learned:

1)  I definately liked the plus tires and want them (probably 27.5) on my 
next bike.
2)  I loved the short stem-wide handlebar combination.
3)  I definately want a front suspension (I have arthritis in my shoulders 
and am getting more and more into off-road riding and my 2.10" tires don't 
provide enough cushion)
4)  Rear suspension wasn't a bad thing and I might consider it for my next 
bike.
5)  Schwalbe Rocket Ron tires handle and turn better than my Maxxis Torch 
29's, which are basically slicks.  
6)  Riding an e-bike is the most fun I've ever had on a bicycle.

I'm not sure I would want an e-bike for trail riding but a nice, cushy 
e-Rivendell is something that should exist and something I would love to 
own.  




On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 1:19:23 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I did the deed and you can see it here. I bought this kit used and 
> attached to a hybrid, then decided I liked it so much that I wanted it on a 
> nicer bike. It still needs wood fenders installed, and the wires need a 
> better cover than that blue plastic I jury-rigged to avoid today's 
> after-rain spray. Check it out, people who check out things!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/18972972@N08/shares/GR3Qjv
>
> Joe "Electric Avenue" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wanted: 650b Rear Wheel, or Advice on Which to Buy

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

With wheels, my philosophy is buy once, cry once.   When I was in your 
situation I contacted Rich Lesnik and five years later, I know that was the 
right choice for me.  



On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 2:17:02 AM UTC-5, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Do you have a silver, 32-spoke, 130-spaced 650b rear wheel sitting around 
> forlorn? If so, I'd
> like to buy it or at least take a look (in person or in pictures) for my 
> new-to-me Rambouillet. If not, I have a dilemma I'm sure you-all can help 
> me with:
>
> 1. Invest in a proper rear wheel, built by Rich Lesnick.
> ~ or ~
> 2. Check my LBS to see what they have.
> ~ or ~
> 3. Buy these BIKE 650B WHEELSET RIM BRAKE 27.5 SLVR 130 MM HUB 8/10 SPD 
> WEI ZAC19 36 H wheels from UglyRM on eBay.
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BIKE-650B-WHEELSET-RIM-BRAKE-27-5-SLVR-130-MM-HUB-8-10-SPD-WEI-ZAC19-36-H-/252604585112?hash=item3ad0681498:g:9f8AAOSw8RJXCUGl
>
> Yes, door #3 is the cheap path. The spokes are 36, and straight gauge (I 
> think?), and may not be tensioned properly. The Zac19 rims may be a pain to 
> mount tires on. The hubs might be mediocre. But that price though.
>
> Please talk some sense into me. Budget wheels aren't, right?
>
> Thanks, 
> Evan E.
> San Francisco, CA
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] All Downhill From Here: Early Aspen Photos of Descent

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I've lived my entire life in the flat parts of Oklahoma.  Back in the 
mid-90's, when I first got into riding, I considered myself to be in pretty 
decent riding shape.  I hauled my bike out to Colorado and rode the paved 
roads into and thru the Garden of the Gods.  That's when I learned my 
riding fitness wasn't so good after all.  I was huffing and puffing, barely 
moving uphill when two girls on big mountain bikes with big knobbies just 
cruised by me, chit chatting away, not at all out of breath.  

On the downhill, I got going so fast that I broke a brake cable and almost 
wore holes in the soles of my shoes!  I did get stopped though!!



On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 9:03:14 AM UTC-5, truegolden wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Patrick. 
>   I enjoyed seeing your great pics. 
>
> About 6 weeks ago I was able to experience some of that Rocky Mountain 
> remarkable beauty up in the Crested Butte area. 
>
> At every turn I was awed by the beauty. 
>
> This flatlander was also challenged by riding my bike a bit up there in 
> 8700 to 9300 elevations. 
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver Tubing Info

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Interesting discussion on a topic I know nothing about.  My 84 Trek with 
Reynolds 501 ATB tubes has a sticker that says   "120,000 PSI Strength" 
 How is that interpreted?   Is that enough information to even know 
anything about it's strength?




On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 5:29:08 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Lee
>
> I agree, the yield stress reflects the max for design, you want to keep 
> the stress in the elastic region.   Typically Yield increases 
> proportionally as UTS increases, e.g., a Columbus Niobium tube has a UTS = 
> 152 to 167 ksi with a Yield = 107 ksi.  The Columbus has a 55% higher yield 
> and 53% higher UTS than the RBW Silver tube.  Also the Niobium is slightly 
> more ductile, >14% elongation vs >10%.
>
> So RBW tubing is not the highest strength, but seems adequate for a lugged 
> frame.  It is difficult to see the RBW claim of being less brittle than 
> heat treated steels
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 6:50:37 PM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I assume the UTS is ultimate tension strength or stress. I would think 
>> the bicycle builder or framer would want it to be less than 70ksi (yield 
>> strength limit).  Once stress exceed the yield strength, it will basically 
>> begin to fail due to buckling or plastic hinge effects happen on the 
>> frame.  Deformation in the steel is plastic instead of elastic once it 
>> exceeds yield.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 6:23 PM, John Hawrylak  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, RBW claims it is heat treated, but the UTS is very close to True 
>>> Temper Versus (110,000 psi) so the heat treatment is probably for stress 
>>> relief instead of increasing the UTS
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 10:36:16 PM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 1:01:21 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a link to the RBW Silver Tubing sticker which gives 
> the mechanical properties of the tubing.  I seem to recall 110 ksi UTS.  
> I 
> looked on the RBW site and searched but came up empty.
>

 It's here 
 ,
  
 in the announcement 
 
  
 for Le S!lver crank.

 Basically, it says:

- S!lver butted Cr-Mo steel tubes, forks, stays
- Fe 97.3%
- Cr 1%
- Mo 0.2%
- C+Mn+Si+S 1.5%
- UTS ~103,000 psi
- Elongation ~10%
- Yield ~70,000 psi

 Kind of in the same ballpark as the evergreen Reynolds 531.

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[RBW] Re: PSA -Atlantis

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Oh my.  If I had the funds available, it would be very difficult to not 
inquire if he will ship the frameset.  



On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 10:20:27 AM UTC-5, SPC wrote:
>
> No affiliation. 
> Rivendell 58 cm frameset 
>  https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/bik/6272298314.html

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 55cm Rivendell All-Rounder - $1200

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I think it's the skinny tires creating the illusion that those are 700c 
wheels, which makes the frameset look huge.  Or maybe the skinny tires 
create the illusion because we are used to seeing the 56 Atlantis with 
fatter tires.  The overall proportions are very similar to a 56cm Atlantis, 
a bike I've spent hours drooling over.   

Here is a photo of a 56cm Atlantis with Compass 44mm tires and it also 
looks larger than it's size.  







On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 7:32:50 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Judging from the space between the top tube and the down tube at the head 
> tube, I would have guessed this to be a bigger frame. It could be that the 
> combination of extended head tube and 26" wheels contributes to the 
> illusion. I guess really hard to tell from photos, but here is an Atlantis 
> that was linked in another post and is listed at 61cm:
>
>
>
>
> And here is the 55.5 (so precise!) All Rounder:
>
> [image: 1]
>
> Even if the tubing on the Atlantis is a bit more OS, that's a lot of 
> optical illusion going on. At the least, I would guess one is being 
> measured c-c, the other c-t?
>
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 7:03:15 PM UTC-4, Bob K. wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful. I'd think of selling my beloved canti Sam to buy it, but alas, 
>> too small for me as well.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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[RBW] Re: 2.35 inch tires on Atlas rims

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I've put 2.35 Big Apples on Dyads, which I believe is a slightly narrower 
rim than the Atlas.  It wasn't optimal in that I had to run a higher 
pressure than I would have liked to keep them from squirming in corners, 
but it worked.  
 


On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 7:16:29 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> I've inherited a pair of lightly used 2.35 inch Schwalbe G-One tires, and 
> I'm thinking about trying them out on my Atlantis. Are my Atlas rims too 
> small? According to Velocity's site, max optimal width for Atlas is 45mm. 
> Anyone have firsthand experience?

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[RBW] Re: Soma Shikoro 700 x 48

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Another good option is the Maxxis Torch 29.   It's basically a sized-up BMX 
tire and I'm very pleased with them so far.  And they have black sidewalls. 
 













On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 9:14:40 AM UTC-5, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I had Compass Snoqualmie Pass ELs on my Joe, but I wanted something with a 
> little more width and some more puncture protection. I tried the Schwalbe 
> Almotion 700 x 50, but both tires wobbled (one badly) and the road feel was 
> a little dead. I also briefly fitted some Continental Race Kings (29 x 
> 2.2), and while they fit just fine, an MTB tire wasn't really what I was 
> after. 
>
> I didn't find a lot of reviews of the Shikoro, but someone on this board 
> referenced their durability, so I decided to take a chance. I mounted the 
> tires last night and thought I'd register my first impression and the 
> measured width for anyone who may be considering them.
>
> The tires roll well. I was surprised not to notice a huge difference 
> between the Compass treads and the Shikoros. They are a stiffer tire and 
> twice the weight, but a short ride on familiar terrain tells me I'm going 
> to like them a lot. No noticeable extra resistance climbing, and swift, 
> smooth roll down the hills. On gravel, a nice cushion and good grip (for a 
> "treadles" tire). 
>
> The rear tire measurres 47.32mm on a Mavic A719 at 50lbs. The front 
> measures 46mm on the same rim at 40lbs. For reference, the Compass 700 x 
> 44s--after a couple of months--measure about 41mm on DT Swiss TK540s, front 
> and rear. Lighter riders will run these at lower pressures, so 45-46mm 
> inflated width is about what you should expect.
>
> I've always favoured all-black tires, but I really like the look of these. 
>
> Jay
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Medium Mountain Mixtes -- coming any day now

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I haven't followed these that closely, although I really like the one that 
often appears on the blogs, but what color(s) are these going to be? 



On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Mine in due in Wednesday but had it mailed to my LBS.  Thinking of getting 
> it painted but will look at it in person first, of course, before the final 
> decision on that.
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 7:47:37 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of a Medium Mountain Mixte.  I need 
>> it for my 10x200mile challenge.  The BLUG revealed that it will have an 
>> all-time Rivendell first:  for the first time ever, there will be a stock 
>> Rivendell with an ARCHED seatstay bridge.  That'll clearly make us much 
>> faster.  Haha.  OK, it's not a performance thing, but it should make fender 
>> setup look really nice.  We'll see how that turns out.  I've got a 3x8 
>> drivetrain ready to go for mine, but in my morning ride meditations, I 
>> started musing about using a 2x10 drivetrain instead.  I'm still leaning 
>> towards the 3x8, but it will be a build-day decision.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

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I saw your comment on your Youtube video, so here's my 830.  









On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Chris:
>
> Thanks for watching my YouTube video. Get the Appaloosa. The Hunq and the 
> Appaloosa are very similar.
>
> My Appaloosa and Trek 830 are pretty similar too. The biggest difference 
> is fork. My Trek has an ordinary fork - the OG fork was bent. The 
> Appaloosa's slender fork makes for a better ride. Also the bottom bracket 
> drop (78mm on Appaloosa) makes for a better handling ride. The Riv is way 
> lighter than the Trek. 
>
> The best analogy I can think of is that the old Trek 830 is like finding a 
> stylish suit at the thrift store, one that looks really cool and feels 
> good, but the Appaloosa is like getting a new suit tailored to fit you, and 
> it looks cool, feels good, and fits amazing. 
>
> I just changed the bars on the Appaloosa to the Riv Bullmoose. Third set 
> of bars and still tinkering. 
>
> M
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Drivetrains for Riv Mountain Mixtes

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My riding is similar to what you describe and I'm running a modified triple 
as a 1x9.  If I were starting from scratch, I would go with a dedicated 
1x10 or 1x11 groupset.  

 



On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I'm chewing on what to put on my forthcoming Mountain Mixte.  I have a 
> number of different set ups now - mostly, but not all - Alfine 8 or 11 
> IGH's.  Have a 1X10 on my Soma San Marcos.  Over the years I have moved 
> away from front and back derailleurs but not ruling them out on this one. 
>
> Was wondering what you folks are planning on for yours or hearing from 
> those that have the previous large Mixtes?  Frankly, this group is so 
> knowledgeable that I'd be happy to hear anyone's thoughts.  My purpose is 
> mostly recreational riding on paved or gravel paths on mostly flat to 
> rolling terrain.  Basically pretty mild stuff.  I'm no Deacon Patrick :) 
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

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Thanks for the information!  

Would you mind posting a pic of your Appaloosa with the bullmoose bar, if 
you get a chance?  I bought my 830 as a frameset so it doesn't have it's 
original bar and Riv's version wouldn't give me enough rise.  The Bullmoose 
would be my first choice for the Appaloosa.   


 

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Chris:
>
> Thanks for watching my YouTube video. Get the Appaloosa. The Hunq and the 
> Appaloosa are very similar.
>
> My Appaloosa and Trek 830 are pretty similar too. The biggest difference 
> is fork. My Trek has an ordinary fork - the OG fork was bent. The 
> Appaloosa's slender fork makes for a better ride. Also the bottom bracket 
> drop (78mm on Appaloosa) makes for a better handling ride. The Riv is way 
> lighter than the Trek. 
>
> The best analogy I can think of is that the old Trek 830 is like finding a 
> stylish suit at the thrift store, one that looks really cool and feels 
> good, but the Appaloosa is like getting a new suit tailored to fit you, and 
> it looks cool, feels good, and fits amazing. 
>
> I just changed the bars on the Appaloosa to the Riv Bullmoose. Third set 
> of bars and still tinkering. 
>
> M
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tires, revisited.

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I've found the Maxxis Torch 29 to be a really nice tire.  It's close to the 
Big Apple in it's tread so I'm sure it has limitations in the dirt.  







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[RBW] Re: Drivetrains for Riv Mountain Mixtes

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My riding is similar and I'm running a 1x9 drivetrain on my Karate Monkey 
and although I have a triple on my vintage Trek MTB, I've never shifted out 
of the middle ring.  I mostly ride both bikes as single-speeds and only 
shift if I'm really tired and/or I have a really strong headwind.  

 





On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I'm chewing on what to put on my forthcoming Mountain Mixte.  I have a 
> number of different set ups now - mostly, but not all - Alfine 8 or 11 
> IGH's.  Have a 1X10 on my Soma San Marcos.  Over the years I have moved 
> away from front and back derailleurs but not ruling them out on this one. 
>
> Was wondering what you folks are planning on for yours or hearing from 
> those that have the previous large Mixtes?  Frankly, this group is so 
> knowledgeable that I'd be happy to hear anyone's thoughts.  My purpose is 
> mostly recreational riding on paved or gravel paths on mostly flat to 
> rolling terrain.  Basically pretty mild stuff.  I'm no Deacon Patrick :) 
> Chris
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

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Between the 54 Hunqapillar and the 55 Appaloosa, which ride did you like 
better?  I have a 22" 1984 Trek 830 like yours and I'm debating between 
these two Rivs for a future purchase.  I expected the Appaloosa to be more 
like the 830 but you reference the Hunqapillar being more similar. 



On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:04:27 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> Hey! Thanks for reading it!
>
> The Appaloosa and the Clem were pretty similar, but there were two big 
> differences: the handlebars and the sizing.  
>
> The Appaloosa comes in more sizes.  The Clem is basically the first 
> Rivendell to be built to a price point.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I 
> think they said they wanted to stop recommending people buy Surlys if they 
> wanted a cheaper bike than a Rivendell.  They succeeded by doing this 
> incredibly scrappy move: manufacturing only three sizes.  I'm 6 feet tall 
> with a PBH of 86cm (if I remember correctly) and I felt like the Appaloosa 
> fit me better.  The 59 Clem was wayyy t big, and I liked the 52 Clem, 
> but it had 650B wheels and I sort of had my mind set on 700 x 2.0 tires for 
> my bike.
>
> My first impression of the Bosco bars on the Clem was that they were too 
> much of a beach cruiser bar.  I commute year round in NYC in heavy traffic, 
> so beach cruiser isn't exactly ideal for me.  I liked the Choco-moose ones 
> because they had the classic "sit up and beg" position, but also the reach 
> forward was like riding the tops of drop bars.  I suppose you can lean 
> forward and grab the middles of the Bosco bars, but again this was just a 
> brief ride.  I actually still want to try the Bosco bars on my vintage 
> mountain bike and see how they would change that bike.  
>
> Also, I bought the Appaloosa because they were sold out of Clems and I got 
> excited and really wanted a bike!  If they had a Clem in the 55cm size, I 
> would have bought that.
>
> I test rode the Cheviot primarily to try the Albatross bars.  The Cheviot 
> has centerpulls, and I knew I wanted fatter tires, so I think that's a big 
> difference between bikes.  I didn't want a step-through bike.  The Cheviot 
> had the best paint though - the swampy green looks AMAZING in person.  It 
> is so much nicer in person than in photos.  The Cheviot doesn't have the 
> long chainstays like the Clem and Appaloosa.  The Cheviot was nice, but it 
> felt like a normal bike; whereas the Appaloosa is definitely funky, is 
> definitely something different, and has a very unusual alchemy of 
> measurements that combines to a really special bike.
>
> m
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 9:25:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Michael -- thanks for this writeup. I was particularly struck by this:
>>
>> * I rode around their parking lot, doing laps around their building. I 
>> really liked the bike. It felt nimble, like my LeMond cyclocross bike, but 
>> more stable. I expected to dislike the handlebars, but in a snap judgment 
>> decided I liked them.*
>>
>> All the positive reviews about the Appaloosa are making my defenses start 
>> to crumble. I would very much like to try one out. I am more skeptical of 
>> sweep back bars, but those too get much praise.
>>
>> Question: can you elaborate about the difference in handling and feel 
>> between the Appaloosa and the Clem and the Chevs? I realize that this is 
>> first impressions, but those sometimes reveal real qualities.
>>
>> (Aside: I wonder, if I went all weight weenie, if I could get an 
>> Appaloosa down to UCI minimum ...)
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Michael Morrissey > > wrote:
>>
>>> I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
>>>
>>> http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html
>>>
>>> It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut 
>>> Creek!
>>>
>>> Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!
>>>
>>> - michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:


 


 
 I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  
 The main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's 
 so 
 stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
 from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
 LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
 to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
 to have one!

 Parts list:
 Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
 Sugino x White Industries cranks
 VP Vice 

[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Appaloosa was definately described as being in between the Hunqapillar 
and the Hillborne and the Appaloosa brochure states it's almost a clone of 
the Atlantis, with a few geometry differences.  I do remember reading that 
the 2017 Appaloosas have a heavier fork than the 2016 models.  I think it's 
equal to an Atlantis.

Having said all that, I'm working on the same Hunq vs Appaloosa decision so 
I e-mailed Riv and the tubes on the Appaloosa were much stouter than I 
expected, based on the descriptions I had seen.  I don't remember the 
numbers but the tubes were thicker than .9/.6/.9.   I assume the tubes are 
Oversize.

I think it's fair to say the Appaloosa is quite stout and I doubt it gives 
up much to the Hunqapillar in durability or stiffness. 


On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 3:44:44 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> I believe that the Appaloosa started as a middle ground between hunq and 
> hillborne, but by the time it was made it had been made burlier and lies 
> between a hunq and an Atlantis. 
>
>

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[RBW] Did the Hunqapillar effective top tube length change over the years?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Does anyone who owns an early generation 54cm Hunqapillar mind measuring 
the effective top-tube length?  The current Hunq's are listed as 584mm ETT 
but I have a geometry diagram of a 54 with a 599 ETT.  

I find that I'm very sensitive to top tube length and prefer a longer ETT 
over a shorter one.  I hope to someday pick up a used Hunqapillar and would 
like to verify if there actually are 54cm Hunqapillars with an almost 60cm 
ETT out there.  

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[RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John,

Did you and Keven have trouble roasting beans to the quality level of a 
good micro-roaster?  I've only done about 5 small batches, all with the 
same Brazilian beans from Sweet Maria's, but all have turned out "flat" and 
"lifeless" tasting.  They are drinkable and taste like coffee but have no 
body or depth.   



On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 8:17:00 AM UTC-5, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> When I worked at *RBW*, Keven and I got into coffee roasting with old 
> popcorn poppers from Goodwill. Once we got the hang of it, we upgraded to a 
> *Behmor 
> 1600*. It took a few months for the machine to "pay for itself," but we 
> roasted a lot of coffee. 
>
> When I moved to Portland, I bought one. It is still going ---and 
> roasting-- almost 5 years later. 
>
> http://behmor.com/behmor-1600-plus/
>
> Twenty minutes for a pound. Set it, and forget it. Much less time 
> consuming than the old popcorn poppers. And the savings are significant. I 
> buy a 10 pound bag every few weeks from *Mr. Green Beans*. Usually 
> something from Brazil. In bulk, it runs less than $5 a pound. Half to a 
> third of the 'already roasted' single origin stuff. 
>
> http://mrgreenbeanspdx.com/
>
> Keven's interest in coffee continued to grow, and ---as you probably 
> know--he's now working for *Four Barrel Coffee* in San Francisco. I'm 
> just drinking a few cups of home roasted coffee every morning. In fact, I'm 
> drinking one right now. 
>
> https://www.fourbarrelcoffee.com/
>
> JAB/PDX
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 4:28:13 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I’ve toyed with the idea of roasting my own coffee. Then Kellie goes and 
>> mentions Sweet Maria’s and I find this:
>>
>> https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/heavy-gauge-stovetop-popper-with-ss-base
>>
>> Experiences and recommendations? Is it practical to roast your own 
>> coffee? Benefits?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.CredoFamily.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've tried several times to roast coffee in a cast iron skillet, using a 
whisk to stir the beans.  I think I did this about three times and got 
drinkable but not really good coffee.  

Friday, I picked up an air popcorn popper and after about three tries, I 
found that roasting green coffee beans is quite easy.  I haven't tried the 
beans I roasted because they are generally best after sitting for a few 
days but I expect it to take some practice, which is half the fun.  The 
biggest issue with an air popper is that the beans blow out the top so you 
have to figure out a way to keep them in the popper.  A wire mesh seems to 
be a popular choice.  

Overall, green coffee beans are cheap and you can get into roasting with 
just a pan and a whisk.  An air popper costs about $20 and people report 
roasting excellent coffee with them. 




On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 6:28:13 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’ve toyed with the idea of roasting my own coffee. Then Kellie goes and 
> mentions Sweet Maria’s and I find this:
>
> https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/heavy-gauge-stovetop-popper-with-ss-base
>
> Experiences and recommendations? Is it practical to roast your own coffee? 
> Benefits?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That top one is a very similar concept but even more compact.  Pretty cool 
if it makes good coffee.



On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 5:01:04 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> Here's a much more packable drip coffee maker. This photo from Ocean Air 
> Cycles, where you can purchase it from. The cone totally collapses; becomes 
> flat, and it weighs next to nothing. I also use a Clever Coffee maker (2nd 
> photo), looks much like yours but it's more like a french press where you 
> let the water steep and when you* put it on top of your cup* it pours 
> out. Order from Sweet Maria's in Oakland. Both use filters, easier to clean 
> than an Aeropress.
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9gSO8H_Le4c/WX5VZJfz25I/Axo/YYTQXyFewkEuWlL52Am2un_tZr62llASQCLcBGAs/s1600/11.5_sotohelix_Beach_L-1_large.jpg>
>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KK6biPh_MBs/WX5Wm_hAOvI/Axs/DNI__OGCgQMO6wEqWKQoK9dscnK1fHSQwCLcBGAs/s1600/cleverSmall15_5792a7214e9be_365x365-jpg-keep-ratio.jpeg>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 8:14:37 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> I know a lot of people here have a lightweight coffee brewing system they 
>> carry on their bikes and I just discovered a product that is extremely 
>> light, relatively cheap and makes a good cup of coffee with no skill 
>> needed.  
>>
>> The product is the brew basket from the Technivorm Moccamaster Cup One 
>> brewer.  This brewer is designed to run 10oz of water thru 18-20 grams of 
>> coffee at an optimum extraction time.  The brew basket is durable plastic, 
>> weighs less than 1/3 of what an Aeropress weighs and has a built in rim 
>> that will sit on the top of a wide coffee cup.  It's designed for #1 
>> filters but I found that #4 filters work fine.  The brew basket is 
>> available from Technivorm for $15.  
>>
>> The brew method is simple:
>>
>> 1)  Put filter in brew basket, grind coffee, add coffee to brew basket, 
>> set brew basket on top of cup.
>> 2)  Heat water and pour 330ml or 10 oz of water (If you measure it once 
>> while at home, it's easy to approximate without measuring) into brew 
>> basket.  Stir
>> 3)  Wait for coffee to drain into cup.  Takes about 4 minutes.  
>>
>> It's essentially a cheap, lightweight, low-attention pour over.   
>>
>> The brew basket:
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-egqO3x8xLto/WX33UPr6YPI/R_k/JbeiytbIIeYtOCwUX6znucvCXGZXff-YACLcBGAs/s1600/13265_1_m.JPG>
>>
>>
>>
>> In action:
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u8V_rZLpNZM/WX33cX9z18I/R_o/lpk1FxOWnss8Xwx5HYaXriLPxFpFPs0MQCLcBGAs/s1600/cup%2Bone.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm kind of with you on that and French Press is my favorite method.  This 
is a nice compromise except I'm actually using this basket on my full size 
technivorm as a fully automatic drip, rather than as a manual pour over. 
 Couldn't be simpler.  The portable idea just occurred to me the first time 
I used this basket.  


On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 12:21:38 PM UTC-5, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I really like bold coffee, and I find that coffee made with this sort of 
> system comes out a bit "thin." Best thing I've found is the aeropress, 
> which allows you to control the brew time and make anything from "espresso" 
> to a full cup of coffee. If you're getting the taste you want, though, then 
> there's probably nothing simpler, easier, and more cost effective than what 
> you're doing.
>
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I know a lot of people here have a lightweight coffee brewing system they 
carry on their bikes and I just discovered a product that is extremely 
light, relatively cheap and makes a good cup of coffee with no skill 
needed.  

The product is the brew basket from the Technivorm Moccamaster Cup One 
brewer.  This brewer is designed to run 10oz of water thru 18-20 grams of 
coffee at an optimum extraction time.  The brew basket is durable plastic, 
weighs less than 1/3 of what an Aeropress weighs and has a built in rim 
that will sit on the top of a wide coffee cup.  It's designed for #1 
filters but I found that #4 filters work fine.  The brew basket is 
available from Technivorm for $15.  

The brew method is simple:

1)  Put filter in brew basket, grind coffee, add coffee to brew basket, set 
brew basket on top of cup.
2)  Heat water and pour 330ml or 10 oz of water (If you measure it once 
while at home, it's easy to approximate without measuring) into brew 
basket.  Stir
3)  Wait for coffee to drain into cup.  Takes about 4 minutes.  

It's essentially a cheap, lightweight, low-attention pour over.   

The brew basket:





In action:






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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I think it works well for me and I actually worked backwards and got my PBH 
from my saddle height.  I have a hard time measuring PBH due to obesity and 
my wife and I measured it at 83cm (5'11").  I can straddle an 84cm S.O. 
bike and still bend my knees a bit so I know 83cm isn't accurate.  From my 
SH of 75cm, I assume my PBH is 86'ish cm.  With slightly thicker soled 
shoes, I would go with a S.H. of 76 cm.  Luckily, the 86'ish estimate gives 
me clear size recommendations on the Rivs I would want to own.  54 Hunq (53 
is probably an option now),  55 Appaloosa and 52 Bombadil.   



On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 6:20:50 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height 
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for 
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks. 
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather 
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so 
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee 
> pain and came across these articles: 
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
>  and 
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
>  
> I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain, 
> tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and 
> stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before), 
> and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still 
> pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at 
> the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle 
> height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the 
> Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless 
> pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them 
> effectively even thinner? 
>
> Chris
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

At one time I was also guilty of putting my seat way forward but I tried it 
Grant's way and now I always push it all the way back.   I haven't yet been 
able to make closer handlebars work.  I always ran them that way and I 
always had issues with hand numbness and pain.  It was only thru an 
impulsive trial-and-error adjustment that I discovered further away 
handlebars were far, far more comfortable.  Someone here mentioned back 
angle and I think that's what it boils down to for me to be comfortable.  I 
have to have my body at a certain angle that allows my core muscles to best 
support my weight, instead of my hands.  I found that a 60cm ETT with a 
long'ish (110mm) stem gets me in a good position.  Like you, I've found 
that very small adjustments make a large difference in both comfort and 
handling.



On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 5:23:38 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chris and Mitch: Thanks; at least plausible explanations. As I said 
> elsewhere, in experimenting with setting up the bar for the Matthews over 
> the last year, I've gradually lowered the bar by a total of about 2 inches, 
> and extended the stem by 1 cm. (The last 9 mm reduction in height was by 
> swapping out the 9 cm 90* stem for a 9 cm 6* stem flipped negative; this 
> because I'd earlier removed the last spacer from above the headset. And 
> flipping the 6* stem downward extends the bar forward by 2 more mm, in 
> addition to reducing its height.)
>
> Long windup as usual. Let us proceed: Compared to my Benchmark Riv Roads, 
> the Matthews feels vague in that crucial transition from straight to turn, 
> at lower speeds on pavement. It still felt this way even as I lowered the 
> bar. But this last reduction seems to have pushed a handling button; the 
> last 9 mm seems to have made more difference in this turn-in than the 
> previous 3 cm. At any rate, this lowering made the hoods feel more natural, 
> keeps the hooks very usable, and (hoods position) seems at least to make 
> turn-in feel a bit more planted.
>
> Of course, with such variables as tires -- width, pressure, tread -- who 
> can possibly parse all the element affecting all the other variables in my 
> peculiar body relationship with this particular bike; but --- again, very 
> longwinded windup: I can well believe that more weight over bar leads to a 
> better "planted" feel in "turn-in."
>
> 'Nother anecdote, not wholly unrelated to all this: my first highish end 
> road bike, 1990, was a '89 Falcon, 531 C, all Sante, which had a design 
> that I read was a trend in the '70s or so: very short front-center (very 
> little daylight between 19 mm Turbo and bottom of down tube), and long 
> stays. I messed up the handling by setting up the saddle and bar all wrong: 
> saddle so high I needed mtb seatpost; saddle all, and I mean all, the way 
> forward on the rails, so much so that I needed blue Loctite to keep it from 
> tilting *forward* under my then svelte weight; 135 or 140 mm stem full 6 
> inches below saddle -- you had to experience fast, swoopy downhills with 
> gusty sidewinds! 
>
> But I expect that this design would have handled delightfully with a 
> Grantian setup: he told me, get your bar up and back, and your saddle back 
> and down, and it worked for other bikes. But I'd sold the Falcon.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a nice explanation that is more specific than my general thoughts 
along those lines.  

I have a 1984 Trek 830 ATB that handles like a dream and it has long 
chainstays, a low bb and what I consider a short F-C (580mm ett).  I found 
that  to get comfortable on the bike, I needed a low angle (7 degree, I 
think) 120mm stem but that threw the handling all off and I didn't even 
like riding the bike.  I switched to a higher angle, 110mm stem and it 
handles like a dream but I'm not comfortable due to the shortened distance 
to the handlebars.  

OTOH, my Karate Monkey has a 600mm ETT and with a 17 degree, 100mm stem, 
it's quite comfortable but the steering isn't very intuitive.  I switched 
to a very high angle, 110mm stem (equivalent to a 7 degree, 85mm stem) and 
it now handles like a dream but is slightly less comfortable than it was, 
again, due to a shortened distance to the handlebars.  

Overall, both bikes are dialed in on the handling and both are less 
comfortable than they could be, but the KM is the better compromise between 
the two so I ride it more often.  Both bikes are set up so that the 
handlebar obscures the front hub.  I don't know if that's just a 
coincidence, or if there really is something to that almost universal 
recommendation. 
On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:36:49 PM UTC-5, Mitch Harris wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:51:12 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I'd be *very* interested to learn more about this, and how it relates to 
>> f-c, trail, hta, tires, and so forth. Anyone?
>>
>
>
> Keeping the right balance of weight on the front wheel helps with that 
> nice turn-in you describe. It can be a challenge with any bike intended for 
> fendered use by people who don't like toe overlap, where designers are 
> trying to maximize front-center to keep toes out of fenders. That can be 
> mitigated a little in a low trail bike because an extra 20mm fork offset 
> puts the wheel further away. But in general low trail designs have longer 
> front-center than some, if only because of more fork offset. Mtbs 
> got elongated front-centers for endo-prevention from the late 90s 
> on--Fischer called it Genesis Geometry. Plus there's been a decades long 
> trend of preference for short chainstays. All this tends to take weight off 
> the front wheel (in the last instance of mtbs that was intended). Add to 
> that the front-end-lightening general trend for high handlebars in the RBW, 
> 600B, iBob world, and you can lose that nice front-weighted turn-in feel. 
> Long chainstays move weight back forward to the front end, all else equal, 
> and you see that in Riv models. Perhaps Grant has found a way to make a 
> bike intended for high bars, fenders, and no toe-overlap that nevertheless 
> keeps weight on the front wheel (by balancing a short as possible 
> front-center with long chainstays and low bb) for that planted feel 
> with responsive turn initiation. 
>
> --Mitch 
>
>
> (non-Riv) low trail designs because extra fork offset can put the wheel 
> 20mm further out there (a lot). 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The only thing I can think of is weight distribution.  To me, lower 
handlbars (ie, more weight on the front wheel) feels better than higher 
handlebars (less weight on front wheel).  It's always a balancing act 
between handling and comfort.  I hope there is some secret that will give 
me both! 



On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 11:51:12 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'd be *very* interested to learn more about this, and how it relates to 
> f-c, trail, hta, tires, and so forth. Anyone?
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:04 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> [Snippo ...]
>> 3)  Grant has made a similar comment on handlebar height affecting 
>> handling but he would not elaborate on the specifics. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Interview up on the Gravel & Grind website

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Caught my attention as well and I hope it becomes a topic for discussion. 
 Some of my thoughts on what it might be:

1)  Riv geo charts always list a front-center measurement.  I think most 
bike companies don't list this measurement.
2)  I remember Grant referencing a shorter front-end and a longer rear-end 
as being preferable.  
3)  Grant has made a similar comment on handlebar height affecting handling 
but he would not elaborate on the specifics. 



On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 2:15:21 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> That part really caught my attention.  It lends credence to the notion 
> that trail can't be talked about in isolation, but is just one element of 
> the complete design.  Given Grant's refusal to get into the scrum of trail 
> discussions, we'll all just have to keep guessing what the magic parameter 
> is.  Ah, I can hear another thread opening even now.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 9:02:19 AM UTC-7, Peter Turskovitch wrote:
>>
>> Grant, from the interview:
>>
>> "Also, there’s another steering/bike handling parameter that probably 
>> matters more, although it’s far less well-known than trail is. Everybody at 
>> Rivendell knows what it is, we have a name for it, and all of our bikes are 
>> designed with it in mind. That’s true whether it’s me designing a new 
>> model, or Will or Roman or Mark working on a limited-run Rosco Bubbe. 
>> Everybody here knows, but I’m not going to say what it is, because it’s 
>> another can of worms, and it’ll attract the meanest mathematicians and 
>> physicists on the internet. Why do that?"
>>
>> What does everybody think he^s talking about here? I think he's referring 
>> to where the rider's center of gravity sits between the hubs, ie "chainstay 
>> length". 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa question

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In this part of the country, he would probably be correct.  :( One can 
always dream. 



On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 9:12:11 PM UTC-5, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Chris that's a great idea I'm not sure he thinks enough people would buy 
> Rivendells. It would be nice to see one in person before ordering. Although 
> my Sam is exactly what I thought it would be.

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