[RBW] Re: FS; SP Dyno wheel bundle

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Both items sold. Thank you to everyone on this group.
Joe

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 3:19:15 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Sold almost everything from the quickbeam even kept a few things to put on 
> my old Bridgestone. What is left is the Sp dyno wheel and the Jack brown 
> green tires.
> So I’m gonna try selling them as a bundle. Wheel is a SP dyno hub laced to 
> a Velocity Twin Hollow rim. I bought the parts from Rivendell and had the 
> wheel built here in Columbus at Baer Wheels. I’m pretty sure the spokes are 
> double butted but I can’t remember so assume they aren’t and be pleasantly 
> if they are. It was the last thing I added to the quickbeam before cycling 
> faded out for me so very probably less than 500 miles. The tires are in 
> good shape, the one from the front has more tread than the other but both 
> still have the checkerboard intact with lots of life left.
> Asking $250 for the bundle. Asking buyer to pay half the shipping as a 
> separate payment once it is determined.
> Thank you 
> Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; SP Dyno wheel bundle

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bumping this FS post. 
Lower prices!
Dyno wheel $160! Excellent condition!
Pair of Jack Brown green $40! Good used condition!
Exclamation point!
I ask for half the actual shipping as a separate payment once I ship them 
to you and cost has been determined.
Thank you
Joe

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 3:19:15 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Sold almost everything from the quickbeam even kept a few things to put on 
> my old Bridgestone. What is left is the Sp dyno wheel and the Jack brown 
> green tires.
> So I’m gonna try selling them as a bundle. Wheel is a SP dyno hub laced to 
> a Velocity Twin Hollow rim. I bought the parts from Rivendell and had the 
> wheel built here in Columbus at Baer Wheels. I’m pretty sure the spokes are 
> double butted but I can’t remember so assume they aren’t and be pleasantly 
> if they are. It was the last thing I added to the quickbeam before cycling 
> faded out for me so very probably less than 500 miles. The tires are in 
> good shape, the one from the front has more tread than the other but both 
> still have the checkerboard intact with lots of life left.
> Asking $250 for the bundle. Asking buyer to pay half the shipping as a 
> separate payment once it is determined.
> Thank you 
> Joe
>

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[RBW] FS; SP Dyno wheel bundle

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Sold almost everything from the quickbeam even kept a few things to put on 
my old Bridgestone. What is left is the Sp dyno wheel and the Jack brown 
green tires.
So I’m gonna try selling them as a bundle. Wheel is a SP dyno hub laced to 
a Velocity Twin Hollow rim. I bought the parts from Rivendell and had the 
wheel built here in Columbus at Baer Wheels. I’m pretty sure the spokes are 
double butted but I can’t remember so assume they aren’t and be pleasantly 
if they are. It was the last thing I added to the quickbeam before cycling 
faded out for me so very probably less than 500 miles. The tires are in 
good shape, the one from the front has more tread than the other but both 
still have the checkerboard intact with lots of life left.
Asking $250 for the bundle. Asking buyer to pay half the shipping as a 
separate payment once it is determined.
Thank you 
Joe

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

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Shifters sold.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

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Dyno lights sold, patch gone. 
On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

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Update: saddle and pedals sold, sticker is gone, shifters still pending.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Shifters pending

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:18:11 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> [image: image.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Update
>> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original 
>> wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
>> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
>> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
>> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
>> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
>> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
>> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
>> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
>> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
>> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
>> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
>> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Campee rack sold.

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 11:20:23 AM UTC-5 Howard Hatten wrote:

>
> PM sent
> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Update. Bars and stem sold! Fast!
>> Dyno wheel is a SP SV-8 that I bought from Rivendell when they sold them. 
>> Laced to a velocity twin hollow. Hand built here in Columbus at Baer 
>> wheels. I am almost certain the spokes are double butted, I can’t imagine I 
>> wouldn’t have sprung for that but it has been a decade. Assume they aren’t 
>> and be pleasantly surprised if they are I guess. Wheel was the last 
>> addition to the quickbeam so very low miles before cycling faded out for 
>> me. Less than 500 miles?
>> Thanks 
>> Joe
>>
>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>>
>>> Update
>>> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original 
>>> wheels, post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
>>> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
>>> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
>>> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
>>> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
>>> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
>>> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
>>> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
>>> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
>>> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
>>> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
>>> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
>>> Thanks
>>> Joe
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Update. Bars and stem sold! Fast!
Dyno wheel is a SP SV-8 that I bought from Rivendell when they sold them. 
Laced to a velocity twin hollow. Hand built here in Columbus at Baer 
wheels. I am almost certain the spokes are double butted, I can’t imagine I 
wouldn’t have sprung for that but it has been a decade. Assume they aren’t 
and be pleasantly surprised if they are I guess. Wheel was the last 
addition to the quickbeam so very low miles before cycling faded out for 
me. Less than 500 miles?
Thanks 
Joe

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry for that clunkiness of this for sale post. The Google group machine 
seems especially cranky this morning and would not let me make one post 
with everything in it. 
Finally,  extra special bonus for buyers of multiple items. First you will 
save a little on shipping, who doesn’t love that, but also you wil get to 
pick from one of the following bonus items; 1.hunquapillar post card, 
unsent, 2. Old man Peterson’s ferrous velocipede sticker, 3.entmoot 14 
patch.
Thanks 
Joe

On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 10:12:39 AM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Update
> The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
> post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
> I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
> technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
> light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
> brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
> For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
> Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
> guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
> For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
> ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
> shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
> I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] FS; Pile o’ parts! Dyno wheel, lights, brooks, nitto etc

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Update
The Quickbeam ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, 
post and the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
Thanks
Joe

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

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Update
The ff/hs/bb has sold along with the crank, the original wheels, post and 
the 5sp rear wheel. This leaves me with a pile o’ parts! 
I have sks fenders, downtube shifters on bar end pods, albatross bars, 
technomic stem, campee front rack, two wald baskets lg and sm, eyc front 
light, Bm rear light, brooks b.17, randi jo cover, Mks sneaker pedals, Jack 
brown green tires and the front dyno wheel.
For pricing I’m asking half of what Rivendell sells the item for new. 
Everything is in good used condition. On the dyno wheel I used my best 
guess got what a hand built wheel is worth.
For shipping I would ask that buyer and I split the actual cost. I would 
ask for payment of items then a second payment that would be half of 
shipping. Clunky perhaps but I think it’s at least a fair way to do it. 
I’ll attach a pic of the price list.
Thanks
Joe

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Hello
> I have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and customized 
> it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made that is a 5sp 
> 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with velocity twin 
> hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville small, fenders, 
> campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem with albatross bars, 
> nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino crank with mkx 
> pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters and cheapy 
> derailers.
> $1750 obo
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

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Bumping this. Maybe my asking price is too high? I’m not sure what a used 
quickbeam is worth. I’m open to offers. Perhaps some one would want some of 
the parts? I could ship a rack or a saddle but possibly not a wheelset. 
Open to possibilities.
Thank you
Joe

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:22:59 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

>
> The original wheelset is high flange suzue front and rear. The rear has 
> threads on both sides so mine has a 16t freewheel and a 14t fixed cog. The 
> long dropouts allow this to work. I remember Paul or white industries made 
> a 2 cog freewheel and I always thought it would be funny to put one on each 
> side, like a 15-17 and a 16-18 or whatever but honestly the novelty does 
> wear off of manually shifting even 2 gears plus those freewheels were mega 
> expensive.
> Anyway the 5sp is a sunshine brand from Japan ( probably) I got off a list 
> member here and the dyno hub is sp brand I think. Whatever affordable hub 
> they were selling to years ago just can’t remember. I bought velocity twin 
> hollow rims with non machined sidewalls (crazy to think I can’t remember 
> Wednesdays lunch but that detail is firmly lodged in my brain) and had them 
> built at Baer wheels here in Columbus. I don’t remember if the spokes were 
> butted, who knows 路‍♂️.
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:41:58 PM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Ha! It's kind of disconcerting to see a Quickbeam with front and rear 
>> derailers. 
>> Front/Rear were the Suzue hubs?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:40:18 AM UTC-8 joe kelly wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:35:18 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stuff I forgot to mention; it’s orange, I don’t want to ship it but 
>>>> would be willing to drive to meet up, I’m in Columbus Ohio, it has set for 
>>>> a few years now since cycling faded away and golf took over as favorite 
>>>> hobby. Has jack brown green tires, front one is flat needs a new tube 
>>>> probably, it won’t pump up. Has a brass bell. 
>>>> I loved assembling and riding this bike but I just haven’t touched it 
>>>> in a few years. Just writing this for sale post brought back so many nice 
>>>> memories. Maybe it can make nice memories for the next owner too. Hope so 
>>>> anyway.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Joe
>>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> I have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and 
>>>>> customized it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> is a 5sp 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with 
>>>>> velocity twin hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville 
>>>>> small, fenders, campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem 
>>>>> with 
>>>>> albatross bars, nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino 
>>>>> crank with mkx pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> cheapy derailers.
>>>>> $1750 obo
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

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The original wheelset is high flange suzue front and rear. The rear has 
threads on both sides so mine has a 16t freewheel and a 14t fixed cog. The 
long dropouts allow this to work. I remember Paul or white industries made 
a 2 cog freewheel and I always thought it would be funny to put one on each 
side, like a 15-17 and a 16-18 or whatever but honestly the novelty does 
wear off of manually shifting even 2 gears plus those freewheels were mega 
expensive.
Anyway the 5sp is a sunshine brand from Japan ( probably) I got off a list 
member here and the dyno hub is sp brand I think. Whatever affordable hub 
they were selling to years ago just can’t remember. I bought velocity twin 
hollow rims with non machined sidewalls (crazy to think I can’t remember 
Wednesdays lunch but that detail is firmly lodged in my brain) and had them 
built at Baer wheels here in Columbus. I don’t remember if the spokes were 
butted, who knows 路‍♂️.
On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:41:58 PM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Ha! It's kind of disconcerting to see a Quickbeam with front and rear 
> derailers. 
> Front/Rear were the Suzue hubs?
>
> Jim
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:40:18 AM UTC-8 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:35:18 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Stuff I forgot to mention; it’s orange, I don’t want to ship it but 
>>> would be willing to drive to meet up, I’m in Columbus Ohio, it has set for 
>>> a few years now since cycling faded away and golf took over as favorite 
>>> hobby. Has jack brown green tires, front one is flat needs a new tube 
>>> probably, it won’t pump up. Has a brass bell. 
>>> I loved assembling and riding this bike but I just haven’t touched it in 
>>> a few years. Just writing this for sale post brought back so many nice 
>>> memories. Maybe it can make nice memories for the next owner too. Hope so 
>>> anyway.
>>> Thanks
>>> Joe
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>> I have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and 
>>>> customized it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made 
>>>> that 
>>>> is a 5sp 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with 
>>>> velocity twin hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville 
>>>> small, fenders, campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem 
>>>> with 
>>>> albatross bars, nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino 
>>>> crank with mkx pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters 
>>>> and 
>>>> cheapy derailers.
>>>> $1750 obo
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Stuff I forgot to mention; it’s orange, I don’t want to ship it but would 
be willing to drive to meet up, I’m in Columbus Ohio, it has set for a few 
years now since cycling faded away and golf took over as favorite hobby. 
Has jack brown green tires, front one is flat needs a new tube probably, it 
won’t pump up. Has a brass bell. 
I loved assembling and riding this bike but I just haven’t touched it in a 
few years. Just writing this for sale post brought back so many nice 
memories. Maybe it can make nice memories for the next owner too. Hope so 
anyway.
Thanks
Joe
On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

> Hello
> I have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and customized 
> it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made that is a 5sp 
> 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with velocity twin 
> hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville small, fenders, 
> campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem with albatross bars, 
> nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino crank with mkx 
> pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters and cheapy 
> derailers.
> $1750 obo
> Thanks
> Joe
>

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[RBW] FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hello
I have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and customized 
it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made that is a 5sp 
120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with velocity twin 
hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville small, fenders, 
campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem with albatross bars, 
nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino crank with mkx 
pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters and cheapy 
derailers.
$1750 obo
Thanks
Joe

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Re: [RBW] 67 A Homer Hilsen For sale

[Kelly]

Joe

Yes they wanted them.  Sorry

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 4:18:06 PM UTC-6 johanne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sent an email off-list about the stem and seat post. If the buyer of the 
> frame does not want them, I do! 
>
> Best,
> Joe
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 1:53:17 PM UTC-8 Danny wrote:
>
>> Sent an email off-list, but posting here in case it went to your spam 
>> folder.
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 3:11 PM Kelly  wrote:
>>
>>> Frame Only 800 - I’m original owner.
>>> Lugged seat post - add 50
>>> Lugged Stem - add 50
>>> Noodles Drop Bars - add 25
>>> Mustache Bars taped with stem and brake levers add 25
>>>
>>> Down sizing and moving into motorhome for a bit.   
>>>
>>> Reach out for photos 
>>>
>>> Kelly Sleeper
>>> tksl...@gmail.com 
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[RBW] Re: 67 A Homer Hilsen For sale

[Kelly]

Sold - later and thanks

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 3:10:58 PM UTC-6 Kelly wrote:

> Frame Only 800 - I’m original owner.
> Lugged seat post - add 50
> Lugged Stem - add 50
> Noodles Drop Bars - add 25
> Mustache Bars taped with stem and brake levers add 25
>
> Down sizing and moving into motorhome for a bit.   
>
> Reach out for photos 
>
> Kelly Sleeper
> tksl...@gmail.com 
>
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[RBW] 67 A Homer Hilsen For sale

[Kelly]

Frame Only 800 - I’m original owner.
Lugged seat post - add 50
Lugged Stem - add 50
Noodles Drop Bars - add 25
Mustache Bars taped with stem and brake levers add 25

Down sizing and moving into motorhome for a bit.   

Reach out for photos 

Kelly Sleeper
tkslee...@gmail.com 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Kelly Mulholland]

That 64 cm Quickbeam in the DC area is mine! I am the second owner and got it 
from another list member. I’d love to keep it in the group, let me know if you 
have any questions

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lighten Up: Clem Edition

[Kelly]

We have a Dyno hub on our Betty foy 

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 10:02:22 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Now I don't want get in to the middle of a fray but why would a dyno hub 
> not work on a Betty Foy?
>
> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 10:51:02 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> Oh Ryan, so salty. I didn’t know you had 650B - I did know you had 700 c. 
>> I am thinking of getting dyno though...would need to have dyno 
>> compatibility...do you have those in your basement somewhere too? 
>>
>> I’m not good at pulling parts off one bike and installing on another! It 
>> was better to just sell the whole Betz. Don’t you think I deserve some new 
>> wheels? Betz is 8 year old now. And not compatible with dyno.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 7:13 PM, 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Leah,
>> I have a wonderful 650B velocity wheel set you may try.  Also have g-ones 
>> tires and Hetras you could try.  A different size rim will require an 
>> adjustment to brake pads.
>>
>> It does frustrate me slightly that you ignore my advice about wheel and 
>> tire improvement on ride and weight until 4-5 others state the same claim. 
>>  Oh well what do I know.
>>
>> For the record the least expensive option would have been to simply swap 
>> parts wheels etc from the Betz build over to the Clem to see which 
>> modifications were worth the build.
>>
>> However since you boxed up the bike before trying the other wheels and 
>> had no mechanic to help you with the swap and now the Benz has a new owner; 
>> therefore shopping for and buying new parts (wheels and tires 1st) buying 
>> used parts or borrowing some from me is really your only options.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ryan Hankinson
>> West Michigan
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:02:00 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m not fully committing to this yet. Roberta and I get into trouble 
>>> because we talk on Marco Polo and then we get ideas and then we like each 
>>> other’s ideas and the next thing we know our wallets are on fire. 
>>>
>>> So, I am ordering a Cheviot, and I am spending extra $ to build it with 
>>> light parts. But that bike is a long way off, months, in fact. Meanwhile, 
>>> Roberta is giving her beloved Appaloosa a makeover and it is getting lots 
>>> of new parts and she’s having all the fun. And since we’re #Rivsisters and 
>>> I’m like that little sister who wants what her sister has, I want to 
>>> explore what it would take to lighten up my Clem L, which is my only bike 
>>> at present, and which is quite heavy. You’ll have heard me mention this in 
>>> Joe’s What Is A Cheviot thread. If my Clem could lose a little weight it 
>>> would be the most perfect bike anyone could dream up. A Susie version of 
>>> Clems would be just so ideal - someone should tell Riv. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, if I got aluminum Bosco bars, and new wheels (don’t ask me what 
>>> kind, how would I know?) would this make my bike feel considerably lighter? 
>>> I don’t think I can give up my front derailleur because I use it for Killer 
>>> Hill. And what if I wanted to add dyno while I was at it? Would that negate 
>>> my weight savings? Also, I’m keeping my racks; I can’t part with those. 
>>> Maybe I’m not the best candidate for this... 
>>>
>>> Has anyone built a Clem up with lighter parts? Does it make a big 
>>> difference? As in, is it worth the money? 
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: FS Tweed Saddlesack Medium

[Kelly]

Bump

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 4:10:38 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
>
> 250 shipping included lower 48
> PayPal, MasterCard Visa accepted
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> https://share.icloud.com/photos/0DWXir8ccDJFwffe-zXSVENMQ#Home
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[RBW] Re: FS Nigel Smyth Tweed. Bag

[Kelly]

Bump - 

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 4:00:53 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
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> Close to new condion - some tarnish on buckles .. 225.00 shipping included 
> lower 48.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS Tweed Banana Seat Bag

[Kelly]

On Saturday, March 16, 2019 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
> 125.00 shipping included lower 48
> 
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> PayPal MasterCard visa accepted
> 
> Kelly

Sold

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[RBW] FS Tweed Banana Seat Bag

[Kelly]

125.00 shipping included lower 48

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PayPal MasterCard visa accepted

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[RBW] FS Tweed Saddlesack Medium

[Kelly]

250 shipping included lower 48
PayPal, MasterCard Visa accepted

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[RBW] FS large Nigel Smyth Tan Bag

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175.00 shipping included.
Accept PayPal and visa MasterCard

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[RBW] FS Nigel Smyth Tweed. Bag

[Kelly]

Close to new condion - some tarnish on buckles .. 225.00 shipping included 
lower 48.

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PayPal and credit cards accepted .  Visa MasterCard

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Kelly]

I love the more classic looking - Rambouillet, AHH (mine is 67cm single top 
tube), Quickbeam type looks.   Over the years the bigger bikes that fit me 
have gone by the wayside and I didn't buy the 69 AHH in time..  I do love 
my Bombadil for touring.  I sold the Ram, and Quickbeam and am down to my 
two bike AHH 67 and 64 Bomba. 
I may repaint the AHH some day but these two cover my riding needs here. 
 My wife has her Atlantis and Betty Foy - just sold her Roedeo -   I think 
my Bombadil has to much seat post - yet when loaded for touring it is nice 
for the large saddlesac over the rear panniers... but straps aren't long 
enough for just the rack.. 

Hard to explain but here are some of our bikes and places over the years.. 

https://www.kickstandphoto.com/Other/Bicycle/Our-Bikes-Over-Time/

Have a great day... 

Kelly




On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
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[RBW] FS 61cm Roadeo

[Kelly]

Selling this as my wife doesn't ride it anymore.   No kickstand, Dyno, 
racks etc.She rides her Betty Foy and Tours on her Atlantis. 


Firm price is 2500 for entire bike less saddle and pedals. 
2000 frame only with bottom bracket and headset.   


You can see it here.   

https://www.kickstandphoto.com/Other/Rodeo/

Thanks 

Kelly
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[RBW] Re: Question off topic mostly

[Kelly]

Thanks for all the comments!  Buying new they have stated that if I get it 
and don't like it I am able to send it back for the cost of freight.  Which 
is why I'm going to go ahead with the tandem.

I'm not ready to dump my fleet of Rivendel's but am / have changed my goals 
-  in retirement I've been driving over the road tour buses, an bike friday 
might be a good fit since it doesn't need to be boxed just folded for the 
trip - the tandem the same thing..  for flights they say to plan an hour to 
box etc. 

The ride will be the telling story... I' not about speed anymore nor super 
long distance.. if it's comfortable for 50 ish miles then I'm golden for 
the tandem.  

In the early phases...  my wife doesn't ride the roadeo anymore - her go to 
bike is the Betty Foy -  I am still in love with both my Bombadil and AHH. 
 So even though I might part with the Bombadil nobody would pay the price 
it would take for me to let it go (I don't think)

I am making sure there are no one way trips down a rat hole with no way 
out.. :)

Kelly

On Thursday, May 17, 2018 at 4:45:40 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote:
>
> I’m looking at a bike Friday tandem and a bike Friday world tour for me.   
> Anyone have any experience with either 
>
> I don’t have the post ready yet but am considering selling 
>
> 61cm roadeo in new condition 
> 64 cm bombadil.   
>
> Mind isn’t made up yet just thinking about it.   
>
> Kelly 
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[RBW] Question off topic mostly

[Kelly]

I’m looking at a bike Friday tandem and a bike Friday world tour for me.   
Anyone have any experience with either 

I don’t have the post ready yet but am considering selling 

61cm roadeo in new condition 
64 cm bombadil.  

Mind isn’t made up yet just thinking about it.   

Kelly
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[RBW] Re: WTB Feeler: 62-64cm Quickbeam or Simpleone

[Kelly Mulholland]

Hi John, are you still looking for a bike? I have started thinking about 
selling my 64 cm orange quickbeam. 

I've finally come to the conclusion it is just too big for me  

Thanks,
Kelly

On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:52:41 AM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> Putting the feelers out. I'd take a complete or a f/f/hs.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1st Bombadil on Treasure Island

[Patrick Kelly]

If you get off bart at the west oakland station, you can then ride the "bay
trail" around over to the bridge. That portion of the "bay trail" is
interesting, some might say sketchy. But Middle Harbor Shoreline Park is
kinda interesting to check out as well. Take a look at the bottom portion
of http://baytrail.org/get-on-the-trail/map-by-number/oakland-to-albany/

For a few years I would stay in that area every time I went to the bay
area. I like biking over to jack london square to catch the ferry over to
SF.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Daniel D.  wrote:

>   I've been tempted to ride the path.  Then i think,  Take bart to
> Oakland  then bike to Emeryville to ride a short mup.  Nahh
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Re: [RBW] Locks

[Patrick Kelly]

The one, the best, the u-lock that I most highly recommend is the Abus
Granit Futura 64, aka U-Lock 64/120HB150

It’s small, it’s light, it’s extra hardened. It’s rated by the manufacturer
as more secure that some of their other (heavier) u-locks.

Advantages/features of this lock:

   - small & light
   - locks both sides of the U rather than just one end
   - keyhole covered, keeps out crud
   - stronger/harder steel than other, heavier locks

Disadvantages/drawbacks:

   - no good bicycle mounting option
   - sometimes too small
   - not as secure as top-end u-locks
   - more expensive than less-good locks

http://blog.phlatphrog.com/the-one-true-bike-lock

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> Since Leah brought up the issue of security here's a question that has
> been nagging at me.  Is there a decent lock that's smaller and lighter than
> a standard Ulock and would fit easily into a Keven's bag?  For weekday
> commuting the Hillborne is loaded down with heavy 36hole A719 wheels, a
> Wald basket, Shopsack, med saddlesack, sturdy Ulock, computer bag, etc.  On
> the weekends and summers, I like to lighten things up.  I switch out the
> wheels for 32 hole Synergys with Barlow Pass ELs, lose the Wald and
> Shopsack, swap the med saddlesack for a Keven's bag and head out for fun,
> light rides without the baggage of my daily commute.  However, in case I
> need to stop anywhere, I still strap the heavy Ulock on the rear rack.
> Does anyone have a suggestion for smaller, lightweight lock solutions for
> quick stops?  Riv is carrying a lock I may purchase that is about 1/2 the
> weight of my Ulock but they say it is a tight fit in a Keven's bag (
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/lk10.htm).  Another alternative is this
> Abus folding lock but, for the price, it doesn't seem to buy me much weight
> loss from my Kryptonite Evolution (https://www.abus.com/eng/
> Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/Folding-
> locks/Bordo-GRANIT-X-Plus-6500).
>
> Any suggestions?
> John "who's still nervous when he only straps his helmet to the front
> wheel and downtube while getting a coffee"
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[RBW] Re: my sp dynamo hub is unreliable

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

ok. i checked the wires and it looks like i was crimping the wire to the 
tail light somehow. when i unbundled the excess wire to the taillight, the 
system fires up immediately. i made a bigger loop and that has solved my 
problem.!! 
thanks guys!
joe kelly

On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 8:58:34 PM UTC-4, joe kelly wrote:
>
> when i use the quickbeam with the sp dynamo hub, the hub malfunctions and 
> produces power for the lights. about two thirds of the time this happens. i 
> only ride about once a month. have any of you had similar disappointment 
> with this hub? i am using all riv bought parts. eyc headlight and toplight 
> taillight.
> thanks
> joe kelly
> columbus ohio
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[RBW] Re: my sp dynamo hub is unreliable

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

i should mention, when it does work, the lights are bright and are 
functioning as they should; they work great! 
thanks again
joe


On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 8:58:34 PM UTC-4, joe kelly wrote:
>
> when i use the quickbeam with the sp dynamo hub, the hub malfunctions and 
> produces power for the lights. about two thirds of the time this happens. i 
> only ride about once a month. have any of you had similar disappointment 
> with this hub? i am using all riv bought parts. eyc headlight and toplight 
> taillight.
> thanks
> joe kelly
> columbus ohio
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[RBW] my sp dynamo hub is unreliable

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

when i use the quickbeam with the sp dynamo hub, the hub malfunctions and 
produces power for the lights. about two thirds of the time this happens. i 
only ride about once a month. have any of you had similar disappointment 
with this hub? i am using all riv bought parts. eyc headlight and toplight 
taillight.
thanks
joe kelly
columbus ohio

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's in Your Cockpit?

[Patrick Kelly]

Finally got around to getting a photo of my cockpit. And a few other new
photos, too.

I swapped in a jones h-bar, and sold my choco-moose. I hope it's happy in
its new home. The choco just wasn't quite wide enough for me when
off-pavement. My current bar is too wide, if anything. I find myself riding
stretched out, holding the front part pretty often. I just taped it up the
other day. The brake levers were part of my quest to make the braking
better, but they don't really make any difference. (The crucial change was
the cable housing.) But they look pretty, so I leave them on.

I often put my wallet, keys, whatever in one of those bags on the bar. The
speaker is for listening to either music (20%) or an audible book (70%). It
took me a little while to figure out the perfect mounting system for the
speaker, but this works really well. I can also charge my photo off it. I
track (most of) my rides with the ridewithgps app, so I guess that's kinda
part of my cockpit. And it provides the audio content for the speaker. :) I
do have a gopro, but I don't actually use it much. (My single worthwhile
video is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BICjOTVmnkM, but don't watch
it, cuz it was made with a surly trucker. :))

cockpit:

https://flic.kr/p/MwTtAm
https://flic.kr/p/MGUp9X

new of bike:

https://flic.kr/p/MzzeN8
https://flic.kr/p/MwTnPG
https://flic.kr/p/MwTqWy

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Re: [RBW] FS: riv choco-moose bar

[Patrick Kelly]

Sold!

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Conway Bennett
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> Or as soon as I have your PayPal address.
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[RBW] FS: riv choco-moose bar

[Patrick Kelly]

Bars used briefly on my stock appaloosa. $120 including USPS shipping to U.S.

cheerios

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Re: [RBW] Re: Massively upgraded Appaloosa

[Patrick Kelly]

For myself, I believe replacing the brake cable housing was necessary.
The brakes worked before. The bike stopped when needed. I never felt
they were failing. But I wasn't happy with the feel of the brakes.
Let's just say they did not feel satisfactory to me.

My fix can't be classified as scientific, because I swapped out levers
and pads as well, but I believe the biggest improvement in my braking
was when I changed the cable housing.

Let me also point out that I live on top of a 700 ft hill that
descends in 2 miles. Whenever I go anywhere I my bike, I start with a
downhill ride where I easily hit 35 MPH, and I'm among cars going that
fast or faster. Tip top brake performance is very important to me. If
I lived and rode in Davis (eg) it would not be quite as critical. :)


On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 6:58 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> Zach
>
> I don't know that it would be fair for me to call you "wrong".  If that's
> how you wanted to understand what I did, then I wouldn't try to talk you out
> of it.
>
> From my perspective, it was the equivalent of seeing a hat that I liked, and
> buying it on impulse, because I liked it.  Did I need a hat?  Probably not.
> Did I need  to run Shimano XTR brakes on my Appaloosa?  No.  Did I need to
> change brake cable housing on my Appaloosa?  No.
>
> I did, however, decide to upgrade the brakes on my Appaloosa, and that
> decision has led to several improvements to my bicycle.  Two of those
> several improvements were:
>
> 1.  New cable housing made the brakes less squishy
> 2.  New cable housing is reflective, further increasing my conspicuity
>
> There are other improvements, but I wouldn't encourage people to desperately
> start searching for NOS XTR brakes.  I bought them used and on impulse for a
> price that I felt was too low to pass up.  I shared the story for the
> entertainment of the group.  If a fellow Appaloosa owner goes and swaps
> brake cable housing and finds a big improvement, while leaving the stock
> brakes in place, I will be similarly entertained to hear about it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 6:51:16 PM UTC-7, Zach Kahl wrote:
>>
>> Am I wrong to understand that you bought new brakes when all you needed to
>> do in the first place was replace your housing?
>>
>> Thanks for the updates with your journey of the Appaloosa, it's been a fun
>> one to watch.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Massively upgraded Appaloosa

[Patrick Kelly]

I'll second that. I swapped out my brake housing as well. Don't remember
exactly which housing it is, but it's what my local bike shop has a spool
of. Much improved performance. No squish. I also swapped in some koolstop
pads. Same stock v-brakes. They work fine for me.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 8:00 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The new brakes feel much better in my hand, but the stock ones stopped the
> bike just fine.  The biggest single improvement was the brake housing.  I
> tried re-using the stock housing, and the rear brake was still "pretty darn
> squishy", more squishy than I was willing to tolerate from XTR.  That's
> when I swapped the housing, and the improvement was significant.  It was a
> little surprising, given that the "new" housing was still plain old
> Jagwire, nothing terribly special, and the "old" housing was prepped by me
> using the same method (cut to length, file the ends, new ferrules).  Even
> when the bike weighed 70lbs with gear, I was able to lock up the rear
> wheel, but it would take pulling the lever all the way to the grips.  With
> the XTRs that lock up level can be reached much more easily, with a nice
> linear modulation in-between.  I think one and two finger braking will be a
> lot easier with these.  I probably won't have this bike loaded with
> overnight loads for another month, though, to really test it out.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 10:52:06 AM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>  I would love to hear how the new brakes compare (stop, modulate) to the
>> generics. Thanks for the post. I love the simplicity and function of the
>> V-brakes I
>> have used.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 10:42:30 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> On one of the lists...maybe this one, maybe iBob, somebody listed a set
>>> of XTR V-brakes and levers for a price too-good-to-pass up.  My Appaloosa
>>> complete came with generic V-Brakes, and worked perfectly fine, as generic
>>> V-Brakes always do.  Nevertheless, the too-good-to-pass-up price led me to
>>> upgrade.  Now my Appaloosa is rocking XTR brakes.  They came to me with
>>> worn out stock brake pads, but I had some new salmon koolstops on hand,
>>> natch.
>>> The XTR levers have their clamp bolt tucked out of the way, playing nice
>>> with the inside mount thumbies.  While I was doing the swap, I was able to
>>> deploy my new favorite find:  I bought a shop-roll of Jagwire brake housing
>>> from Jenson USA that is reflective!  It's black housing with a silvery
>>> stripe.  The silvery stripe is bright white reflective when car headlights
>>> shine on it.  An entrepreneurial type should buy a shop-roll and then
>>> re-sell it in single bike quantities to conspicuity zealots.
>>>
>>> Anyway, pictures prove that Appaloosa is upgradeable.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: appaloosa pedal dust cover

[Patrick Kelly]

Yes, I like them very much as well. So far I have not torn up my shins
on the pins, so all good. :)

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Jeremy Tavan <jta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for posting this! I have a pair of these pedals (taken off an
> Appaloosa build by my LBS), and will definitely check the dust covers for
> tightness and apply fixative if necessary. I really like these pedals, btw.
> They're really smooth and comfortable, and the pins are grippy without being
> painful through the ultra-thin shoe soles I generally wear.
>
> I believe a titanium axle upgrade is available for them. Just what we need
> for a better life here on the Reservation.
>
> /Jeremy
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 2:39:34 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Previously I discovered that I was missing a small part.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/G5obap
>>
>> It turns out that this is a "dust cover". I emailed dave@riv about it
>> and he immediately sent me a replacement part (and a gratuitous sam
>> hillborne brochure). So, awesome service on riv's part there.
>>
>> I just put in the new one, and checked the other dust cover (on the
>> other pedal, obviously). The remaining one was loose! So I used
>> beeswax on both of them. I suspect that is sufficient. I have
>> locktite, but that seems a bit much in this case.
>>
>> I just wanted to let other appaloosa folks (or anybody who has these
>> pedals, if there is anybody else) that they might wanna check their
>> dust covers, and put something in there to keep them from wandering
>> off.
>>
>> cheerios
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[RBW] appaloosa pedal dust cover

[Patrick Kelly]

Previously I discovered that I was missing a small part.

https://flic.kr/p/G5obap

It turns out that this is a "dust cover". I emailed dave@riv about it
and he immediately sent me a replacement part (and a gratuitous sam
hillborne brochure). So, awesome service on riv's part there.

I just put in the new one, and checked the other dust cover (on the
other pedal, obviously). The remaining one was loose! So I used
beeswax on both of them. I suspect that is sufficient. I have
locktite, but that seems a bit much in this case.

I just wanted to let other appaloosa folks (or anybody who has these
pedals, if there is anybody else) that they might wanna check their
dust covers, and put something in there to keep them from wandering
off.

cheerios

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[RBW] Re: What do you crump those Schmidt spade connectors with?

[Kelly]

I bought crimpers from Peter White and glad I did.   

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 3:57:34 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Specific tool is near impossible to find in stores or online, unless 60$+ 
> bucks.
> What do you all use as alternatives?
> Or must one order the tool online?

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Re: [RBW] Re: my joe appaloosa setup

[Patrick Kelly]

It's the wider one, 710. It's wide. Really wide.

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Chris Birkenmaier
<cbirken...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is your Jones bar the 660 or the 710?
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 4:35:31 AM UTC-4, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I've put together an album with a lot of tedious details about how I've
>> configured my joe appaloosa, including:
>>
>> * surly front rack
>> * jones loop h-bar
>> * interesting rear light mounting
>>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskyUyBr3
>>
>> enjoy :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: my joe appaloosa setup

[Patrick Kelly]

I had been trying to think of some way to add some space there for a
while when I remembered those little extender things in my parts bin.
I was pretty surprised that they actually worked, but the work really
well. It really is a lot more solid than it looks in the photo. I was
pretty pleased with myself. :)

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 5:34 AM, Edwin W <dweenda...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A  I clicked on the picture and saw the explanation:
> "This is the "standard" rear battery light from rivbike. I have a longboy
> rear rack, mounted as low as possible. When the light is mounted flush on
> the rack, there is very little space between the tire and the light. I used
> a couple of disc brake adapters from jandd.com. These are meant to be used
> to spread out the bottom of a rear rack in order to clear disc brakes. They
> work very well to extend the brake light out a little towards the rear of
> the bike to give more clearance between my tire and the light."
>
> Interesting, and clever.
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:33:09 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Tell us more about the rear light mounting!
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:35:31 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> I've put together an album with a lot of tedious details about how I've
>>> configured my joe appaloosa, including:
>>>
>>> * surly front rack
>>> * jones loop h-bar
>>> * interesting rear light mounting
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskyUyBr3
>>>
>>> enjoy :)
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Re: [RBW] my joe appaloosa setup

[Patrick Kelly]

I really like the mondials. These are the 700c x 47, but to my eye
(haven't measured) they seem narrower than the 700c x 45 bitumens that
came with the bike. I've been riding these mondials for a couple
years, I think. I don't put in that many miles, but they have barely
worn. I get flats with these, but not as many as with other tires
(smart sams, others).
 I tend to ride in areas with thorns.

One time I had switched to another pair of tires (not schwalbe) and
was going down my home hill. The light turned red, and I discovered
that I was not going to be able to stop before the light. The tires I
was riding were just not as sticky as my mondials. I had to make an
emergency right at the light to avoid going into the intersection. I
got rid of those tires and went back to the mondials. It was a very
good reminder that not all tires perform the same and that it's best
to go slow on unfamiliar tires.

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 4:42 AM, Clayton.sf  wrote:
> How are you liking the mondials?
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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Re: [RBW] my joe appaloosa setup

[Patrick Kelly]

It's probably because I came off jones bar to the chocomoose, but the
chocomoose seemed too narrow to me. This jones bar is the extrawide
version, and I've thought about cutting it down. So far the extra
inches haven't been a bother, but really I don't use the ends of the
bar hardly ever.

The bell is a spur cycle bell, and the grips are spur cycle grip
rings. (google either of those to find) The bell really is on the
verge, if not past, of being too annoying. I don't ring it much, but
it's pretty.

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 2:13 AM, William R.  wrote:
> Very nice Patrick. I like the way your Joe is evolving. I'm seeing a lot of 
> smart and fun touches. Zip tie-ing the saddle security to the seat post. Fun 
> pink tape-ing the basket to the rack. The Chocomoose bar design always struck 
> me as somewhat "Jonesy". Not surprised to see one show up on an Appaloosa. 
> Seeing it on yours, and comparing it to the Chocomoose on mine, the 
> differences stand out. Clearly it's wider and the grips don't "come back" as 
> much as the Choco's. The Jones must be very stable. I love the Choco for many 
> reasons, but most of all I appreciate how it is not quite so wide yet it 
> performs like a wide bar. I store my bikes in my basement. To go out I need 
> to pass them through a narrow door. The one bike that I have full size 
> Boscoe's on is a pita to get out! The Choco's not so much. Still, at some 
> point it would be fun to try the Jones bar. Lastly, that bell is pretty cool. 
> What is it and how do you like it?
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
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[RBW] my joe appaloosa setup

[Patrick D Kelly]

I've put together an album with a lot of tedious details about how I've 
configured my joe appaloosa, including:

* surly front rack
* jones loop h-bar
* interesting rear light mounting

https://flic.kr/s/aHskyUyBr3

enjoy :)

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[RBW] Re: Mixte Frames & Drop Bars Question

[Kelly]

My wife tried albatross on her Betty and didn't like her hands being that 
far from the brakes when she was riding.After putting on drops it's her 
go to bike.When she walks into the garage the Atlantis and the Rodeo 
sit and she takes of on the Betty. 

Kelly


On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 6:35:16 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> After listening to my daughter's many admiring comments about her Mother's 
> Betty, I engaged her in a bike conversation.  Of course the Betty is 
> amongst the most beautiful production bikes ever made, but it turns out 
> that the real attraction was the step through feature.  For the last two 
> years most of her riding has included our grandson on the rear seat.  This 
> year he has graduated to a tag-a-long and she has sold her car, so lots of 
> riding around town, to & from work, etc. A step throug makes a lotta sense 
> for her. So in a fit of generosity I offered to buy her a new frame.  Then 
> it turns out that she is not ready to let go of her drop bars.  She thinks 
> they give her more power but I suspect that her entire (25 year) biking 
> experience has been on either a classic Bianchi/Campy racing bike and  a 
> SOMA Dbl Cross leads her to like what she knows.
>
> It turns out she is right between Riv's small & medium size and so we have 
> wondered if the smaller size could be matched to drop bars for her.  Have 
> any of you tried to use a Betty, Cheviot, or Clementine with drop bars?
>
> michael
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Re: [RBW] Re: An Amusing Bike Service Anecdote

[Patrick Kelly]

Valve stems. OMG. :)

Anyway, I'd say keep going back to the "new woman-owned, and
women-centred bike shop". And keep taking the bike with you.
Eventually, somebody will get curious, and you'll be compelled to
share the message with them.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Cecily Walker  wrote:
> Ehh, it was OK service. I found things that they didn't do that my regular
> shop would do. Plus, my regular shop is closer, and I wouldn't have to use
> the car/bike rack to transport it there. If I hadn't heard middling reports
> from other people who had taken their bikes to the shop, I think they
> might've warranted a second chance.
>
> That said, the shop where I regularly go knew it was a Riv at first sight
> and were super excited to get the chance to work on it. Compliment my bike
> and I'm a fan for life. :)
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 7:55:35 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> If the work was done properly at a fair price, I'd give them a pass on the
>> lack of comment and mis-spelling.  We're obviously a focused bunch here, but
>> it's a big world, full of cool bikes.  A second chance may be in order.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> I decided to try out a new woman-owned, and women-centred bike shop a
>>> couple of weeks ago to have my bike serviced. I like supporting women who
>>> love bikes, and after I had a pinch blow-out on my rear tire*, I had a
>>> perfect opportunity.
>>>
>>> My ex-husband got the car and the bike rack when we split, so he helps me
>>> when I need to transport my Betty Foy anywhere. As we were taking the bike
>>> off the rear rack, he said "If they don't recognize how awesome your bike
>>> is, or at least comment on the frame maker, you know you can't come back
>>> here, right?"  I laughed it off, because of course being a store that was
>>> set up by/for people who love bikes, they'd surely know Rivendell.
>>>
>>> Not only did they *not* comment on seeing a Rivendell in the wild, they
>>> misspelled it on the receipt when I went to pick up the bike.
>>>
>>> And thus endeth my experiment with feminist solidarity.
>>>
>>> * The pinch flat was caused by a jerk of a neighbour who has it in for my
>>> bike. I think they meddled with my rear tire.
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[RBW] choco bars with bar-end shifters?

[Patrick D Kelly]

Howdy all,

Has anybody actually tried/tested using bar-end shifters on any of the new 
choco bars? I have a Joe App with the choco bullmoose bar and keep 
wondering about trying out bar-end shifters. (It seems that the only right 
one available from riv right now is Shimano 9 Dura Ace Bar End Shifter 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh2-9.htm)

I've not no real beef with the standard inverted thumb shifters themselves, 
but I'm interested in having more available/holdable real estate on the bar.

So, pros/cons?

If I do use bar-end shifters, how far should/could I run the cable under 
bar tape on this bar?

I suppose experience with other similar style bars (in the albastache 
family) would be relevant...

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will Rosco see the light of day?

[Patrick Kelly]

Yes, the thing that held me back was the limit on tire size, and also
the brake spec. I live v-brakes. Otherwise, I really like it, and
would love to have something funky looking like that.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:30 AM, ian m  wrote:
> I was really into the klunker style of the bubbe, such a shame it maxed out 
> at 45mm tires because it would look great with bullmoose bars and fat knobbies
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Re: [RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos, registration

[Patrick Kelly]

Will,

That's a good point I hadn't thought of. It just so happens I used
photos of my bike in front of the wall outside my house, so that
works. But, I'm thinking even better would be to include a photo of
yourself with the bike. Put that on bikeindex, and it's gonna be
pretty hard to refute.

There have been multiple cases of bike shops checking bikeindex and
recovering bikes when somebody sketchy brings in a bike.

The real challenge is to get anybody who is purchasing a used bike to
check bikeindex before they buy. In my dream world, where everybody
does this, bike theft is drastically reduced because it's nearly
impossible to sell a stolen bike.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 6:11 AM, Will <waller.will...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for this nudge.
>
> I registered my Atlantis and attached two pictures. Took maybe 3-4 minutes.
> If the LBS folks and others keep a weather eye on the stolen list this
> should be an effective way to get the word out if you ever need too. What's
> nice is you can list your parts, if you want. I listed my pitlocks, since
> they are obvious non-removeable parts.
>
> It's definitely good to have a purchase receipt, but I'd also recommend you
> take pictures that include something readily identifiable as yours: bike in
> front of house, bike in front of car, basically anything that semi-removes
> the probabilty of someone else claiming registration.
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:40:11 PM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> A bit of slightly off-topic advocacy here. I'd like to encourage
>> everybody who hasn't to register their bikes at bikeindex.org. If you don't
>> like public registration, that's cool, just make sure you record your serial
>> numbers and keep them safe somewhere. Having your serial numbers is the most
>> important thing if your bicycle is ever stolen.
>>
>> I registered my Joe Appaoloosa, and here's the rec:
>> https://bikeindex.org/bikes/74159
>>
>> Here are the photos:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/FwvCWP "century mode"
>> https://flic.kr/p/GiURFx "a bit much"
>> https://flic.kr/p/G62LNv "heading out"
>>
>> I'm participating in the Haleiwa Metric Century ride this coming weekend,
>> so I took off all the "extra" bits to streamline a bit. This is not a race,
>> but why carry the weight when I don't need to, eh?
>>
>> The second photo was just a bit of play (there's nothing in the bags).
>> If/when I need to carry a TON of stuff, I anticipate putting the backabike
>> bags on the surly front rack, and putting ortlieb rolltops on the back rack.
>> It's worth noting that it is possible to mount a surly front rack on a joe
>> app, but it's kinda funky. The mid-fork eyelets are too high for the surly
>> rack, so I had to be a bit creative connecting that bit. (I think I figured
>> out the best solution on the 3rd configuration, which is not shown in the
>> photo.)
>>
>> The third photo is when I did actually travel with a load. This worked,
>> but is not the optimum loading pattern, IMHO. I just did what had to be done
>> with what I had at the time. I rode like this from Sonoma to China Camp
>> (about 50 miles) and camped there one night. It rained. In the morning I
>> rode the 30ish miles to Embarcadero bart in the rain. It wasn't raining
>> hard, just the whole time. I was pretty wet, but I survived.
>>
>> cheerios
>>
>> Yet Another Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos, registration

[Patrick Kelly]

It's a 55 with 700c wheels. Yeah, fenders would be nice, but I hardly
ever ride in the rain, here.

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Dave Johnston <jdi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  Looks great! Needs some fenders though. Is that the 51cm 650b size?
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 3:40:11 PM UTC-4, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> A bit of slightly off-topic advocacy here. I'd like to encourage
>> everybody who hasn't to register their bikes at bikeindex.org. If you don't
>> like public registration, that's cool, just make sure you record your serial
>> numbers and keep them safe somewhere. Having your serial numbers is the most
>> important thing if your bicycle is ever stolen.
>>
>> I registered my Joe Appaoloosa, and here's the rec:
>> https://bikeindex.org/bikes/74159
>>
>> Here are the photos:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/FwvCWP "century mode"
>> https://flic.kr/p/GiURFx "a bit much"
>> https://flic.kr/p/G62LNv "heading out"
>>
>> I'm participating in the Haleiwa Metric Century ride this coming weekend,
>> so I took off all the "extra" bits to streamline a bit. This is not a race,
>> but why carry the weight when I don't need to, eh?
>>
>> The second photo was just a bit of play (there's nothing in the bags).
>> If/when I need to carry a TON of stuff, I anticipate putting the backabike
>> bags on the surly front rack, and putting ortlieb rolltops on the back rack.
>> It's worth noting that it is possible to mount a surly front rack on a joe
>> app, but it's kinda funky. The mid-fork eyelets are too high for the surly
>> rack, so I had to be a bit creative connecting that bit. (I think I figured
>> out the best solution on the 3rd configuration, which is not shown in the
>> photo.)
>>
>> The third photo is when I did actually travel with a load. This worked,
>> but is not the optimum loading pattern, IMHO. I just did what had to be done
>> with what I had at the time. I rode like this from Sonoma to China Camp
>> (about 50 miles) and camped there one night. It rained. In the morning I
>> rode the 30ish miles to Embarcadero bart in the rain. It wasn't raining
>> hard, just the whole time. I was pretty wet, but I survived.
>>
>> cheerios
>>
>> Yet Another Patrick
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[RBW] joe appaloosa photos, registration

[Patrick D Kelly]

A bit of slightly off-topic advocacy here. I'd like to encourage 
everybody who hasn't to register their bikes at bikeindex.org. If you don't 
like public registration, that's cool, just make sure you record your 
serial numbers and keep them safe somewhere. Having your serial numbers is 
the most important thing if your bicycle is ever stolen.

I registered my Joe Appaoloosa, and here's the rec: 
https://bikeindex.org/bikes/74159

Here are the photos:

https://flic.kr/p/FwvCWP "century mode"
https://flic.kr/p/GiURFx "a bit much"
https://flic.kr/p/G62LNv "heading out"

I'm participating in the Haleiwa Metric Century ride this coming weekend, 
so I took off all the "extra" bits to streamline a bit. This is not a race, 
but why carry the weight when I don't need to, eh?

The second photo was just a bit of play (there's nothing in the bags). 
If/when I need to carry a TON of stuff, I anticipate putting the backabike 
bags on the surly front rack, and putting ortlieb rolltops on the back 
rack. It's worth noting that it is possible to mount a surly front rack on 
a joe app, but it's kinda funky. The mid-fork eyelets are too high for the 
surly rack, so I had to be a bit creative connecting that bit. (I think I 
figured out the best solution on the 3rd configuration, which is not shown 
in the photo.)

The third photo is when I did actually travel with a load. This worked, but 
is not the optimum loading pattern, IMHO. I just did what had to be done 
with what I had at the time. I rode like this from Sonoma to China Camp 
(about 50 miles) and camped there one night. It rained. In the morning I 
rode the 30ish miles to Embarcadero bart in the rain. It wasn't raining 
hard, just the whole time. I was pretty wet, but I survived.

cheerios

Yet Another Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

[Patrick Kelly]

Jumping in here pretty late...

'If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as
a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather
than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a
period of time cease to react at all.' - Yogi Bhajan

But if you do actually want to react, :), here are some responses I'd
have at hand:

* Where do you put your tent and sleeping bag?
* How do you carry groceries on that?
* What do you do with that bike when you run out of pavement?
* Do you like looking like a skunk? (if your own bike has fenders)
* How long do you think that bike will last?
* How can you ride that thing without any suspension? (non-riv-like,
but apropos)
* What's the widest tire you can fit in there?

Riv bikes address a different set of "problems" than racy bikes. For
any kind of bike, you can easily "insult" other kinds of bikes as
failing to address the concerns your bike does address.

Photography provides an excellent metaphor for trade-offs. It's
impossible to create The Perfect Camera for All Situations, because
physics. You cannot have an all-range zoom camera with wide aperture
at all focal lengths that you can carry in your pocket. It's just not
possible. Everything in life involves trade-offs, and it's impossible
to create a thing that addresses all needs, all the time.

I just recently became a riv owner, but I've been lusting after them
for quite a while. My first bike (when I took up cycling again in
2010) was a hybrid bike. People may think that Hawaii is perfect for
cycling, but the infrastructure really is not up to grade (so to
speak). Consequently, I ride routes which are away from the cars as
much as possible. I very quickly learned that my aluminum, skinny
tired (fatter than "race" but still skinny) bike was NOT good for the
riding I was doing. I jumped in the other direction for my next bike
and got a trek 29er hardtail. This was great for riding
anywhere/everywhere but was really more than I needed, too heavy and
not suited to carrying anything, and I wasn't really doing "mountain
biking". There were a few more bikes in the stream before my current
Appaloosa, but the point is that every bike addresses some needs and
not others, and it's too easy to find fault with any bike based on the
needs addressed by another kind of bike. Riv hits the points I need
for my bike, and the riding I do, but it would be pointless for me to
tell somebody else to get one, until I really knew what kind of riding
they're going to do (which very likely is different than what kind of
riding they think they want to do).

cheerios



On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Isn't it spring? I thought topics like this were the Winter variety. "Just
> Ride"
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>>
>> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect
>> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying
>> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really
>> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!)  rode
>> up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," "that
>> thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few other
>> choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two.
>>
>> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs
>> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the right
>> bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got fed up
>> and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how best to
>> deal with people like that.
>>
>> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal
>> compared to this joker. How do you respond?
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Flikr Group

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I'd been thinking of starting one, but figured somebody would do it
eventually. :)

Thanks!

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
> I figured since the Sam crowd had their own Flikr page, the Appaloosa crowd,
> could to. Put your good (or in my case, bad) pictures here.
>
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Re: [RBW] Fully Clothed Joe

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Sweet!

I kinda like the green brooks. Funky.  Those brakes!

Yeah, forget the atlantis. Get a mustard joe to make a pair. :)

p.s. "fully clothed" ?? those are some naked looking bars, if ever I saw

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:12 PM, scott  wrote:
> Finished the bike, for the most part. Wife rode it. She approves. May be the
> first drop bar Joe in the wild at this point.
> After riding it around a bit, adjusting things and whatnot, I am pretty
> jealous...may rethink my strong desire for an Atlantis...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Those Long Chainstays and chains

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I wonder if "normal" local bike shops would have bulk chain rolls like
riv? Buying chain by the foot might be the way to go.

The idea of having a chain composed of different colors sounds kind of
interesting. I'd like to see that in action. :)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> I was contemplating that on my morning ride.  I normally stock up on SRAM
> chains, and I'm due to order more 8sp and 9sp chains for my internal
> inventory.  I will plan on getting like 4 Appaloosa chains out of every 5
> chains purchased, something like that, and splice them together with a
> second power link.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:44:30 PM UTC-7, scott wrote:
>>
>> Hey Gang,
>>  Putting together my wife's Joe and came across a little snag. The
>> chainstays are super long, cool, but a standard 114 link chain is too short
>> for a triple. Called Rivendell and they said they have a bulk roll of chain
>> that they use to put the bikes together. So, keep that in mind when you have
>> to replace your chains in the future. Does anyone know of a super long 8
>> speed chain out there? For now I am cobbling together one chain from two
>> different chains (hope the wife doesn't mind that they are two different
>> colors!) I guess buying two of the same chain and taking links from one
>> every time I change it would work for quite a while.
>>
>> Scott
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Re: [RBW] More Appaloosa Scavenging: WTB Appaloosa Saddle and Pedals

[Patrick Kelly]

Sorry, I love the stock plastic pedals, and the stock plastic saddle
is going on my daughters bike. :)

Have you checked if riv will sell these items separately soon?

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> You bought a complete Appaloosa and don't like the stock plastic pedals and
> the stock plastic saddle.  You installed that leather saddle you had been
> saving and some Grip Kings (or whatever your favorite pedal is), and have
> the stock saddle and pedals sitting there unwanted.
>
> I offer you $60 shipped for the saddle and pedals from your new complete Joe
> Appaloosa.
>
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[RBW] Re: Talk to me about Dyno power/lighting

[Kelly]

Though the Luxus U is highly loved here I was very unhappy with the Luxus U 
and was unable to maintain a charge on an iPhone 6 Plus while using 
mapmyride and the screen off.   The small cache on the light was not 
enough.  A larger cache battery such as I have with the E-Werk is much 
better for me at a price of course. 4 other people I know with the 
Luxus U experience the same issues, as well as with the E-Werk USB.   

Just my experience. 

Kelly

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>
> i bought/am buying the SP/atlas wheel that justin was selling today. never 
> used a dyno system before. battery lights always did their job. on tour, it 
> could get tricky, but i never really considered ponying up. but sometimes 
> the stars align and a good deal meets up with me having a little extra 
> cash So what do i need, what are some good resources, what should i 
> avoid, tips, tricks, thoughts, etc. i'm a blank slate.
>
> specifics are:
> -hunqapillar + big front rack
> -SP PV-8
> -would like to have lighting and usb charging. need not be simultaneous. 
>
> thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bombadil Frame, Wheelset, Dynamo Front Wheel, Gugino Double Crankset

[Patrick Kelly]

Here's a working link: https://flic.kr/s/aHsku4dPA9

What size is the frame?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Sky Coulter  wrote:
> Justin,
>
> Maybe it's me, but the flickr link doesn't seem to be working.
>
> Sky in New West
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 3:11:06 PM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>>
>> A little spring cleaning to make room for a new project.
>>
>> -Bombadil Frameset w/ bottom bracket. I believe I am the third owner of
>> this frame. Bought on the list about a year ago. No rust or dents but scuffs
>> and scrapes for sure. And some chain suck. Still a great frame with plenty
>> of life. $600
>> -Velocity Dyad 700c Wheelset with Shimano XT hubs 36h. About a year old,
>> totally true. Great wheelset. $200
>> -Rich built 700c Velocity Atlas with  Shutter Precision PV-8 Dynamo (SP
>> dyno) Hub 36h. Less than two months old. $200
>> - Sugino XD2 wide/low double Crank 40t x 26t. Less than a year old.
>>
>> Here is a link to the photos...
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/128930488@N06/albums/72157666041251670
>>
>> If there are any questions I would be happy to answer them. Payment will
>> be through paypal friends/family and I will ship USPS Priority as soon as
>> payment is received. Please contact me through PM.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Naked Appaloosa

[Patrick Kelly]

And there we have it folks: Joes look good naked, too.

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Re: [RBW] Naked Appaloosa

[Patrick Kelly]

When I saw the subject "naked appaloosa" I really was expecting some photos. :)

It'll be interesting to see a "non-standard" appaloosa. Most important
option: what handle bar will you be putting on?

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:17 AM, scott  wrote:
> My wife's 51 cm Joe frame and fork just arrived. I called Riv a couple of
> weeks ago to buy a complete bike when Will asked, "Do you want a complete or
> a frame and fork?" All I needed were 650B wheels (working on finishing them
> right now) so I figured why not. It will be a crazy mess of parts that I
> have collected at various swap meets and flea markets. All good stuff. Frame
> came with a bottom bracket and seatpost, much like my Hillborne did. I am
> impressed that every bolt (waterbottle, fork mounts) has been taken out and
> greased before shipping. Hope to have the bike riding tomorrow by the time
> mi vieja gets home from work. I am a teacher on spring break (whoo!) so
> working on bikes is a great way to spend my vacation (and riding of course).
>Scott
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Re: [RBW] Stolen rivs in seattle

[Patrick Kelly]

Drop them a postcard. :)

Aaron's Bicycle Repair, Inc.
9988 15th Ave SW
Seattle, WA 98146

https://goo.gl/maps/e9cMDtVXAdA2

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> Nice work to that shop. I'm across the country, but wish I could pop by and 
> say "thanks!"
> Support your local bike shop!!
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Re: [RBW] Stolen in East Bay: Grey Saddlesack (large) + brooks B17 saddle (honey)

[Patrick Kelly]

I'm sorta guessing that the reason they took the bag was because it
was attached to the saddle. It's known that you can resell brooks
saddles for actual money, whereas I doubt your off-the-shelf bike
thief would be able to sell a canvas saddle bag. So, I'm guessing that
it was easier to take the bag, than to leave it. I.e., easier to
detach from the bike once the saddle was free, than to detach from the
saddle. Amiright?

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Sean Kline  wrote:
> Thanks all. And, FYI, I had not yet done what I had planned to
> do...wax/ball-bearing the allen nut connecting my seat to the pit-locked
> seat post. That would have at least the thief down.
>
> Dave: there's nothing obviously special about the bag--the leather was
> waxed, but it was still in new-ish condition. I received the bag from Riv
> without slits cut in the leather bottom to connect it to a rack. So, I cut
> rough slits for this purpose myself. It's wasn't the most elegant looking
> but functional.
>
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 10:34:56 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
>>
>> That sucks Sean and here's hoping you get it back. Will keep my eyes open
>> in N. Berkeley. Any particular characteristics about the saddlesack aside
>> from the grey color? Patches, buttons, stains, etc?
>>
>> On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 6:56:19 AM UTC-10, danmc wrote:
>>>
>>> Ouch! I'll keep an eye peeled around work in Emeryville / West Berkeley.
>>>
>>> That really sucks.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> > On Mar 28, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Sean Kline 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi all:
>>> >
>>> > Stolen Sunday March 27 ~8 pm in front of Cerrito Theatre/Elevation 66
>>> > Brewery in El Cerrito:
>>> >
>>> > - Large grey Saddleback (with some tools)
>>> > - Brooks B17 honey brown saddle
>>> >
>>> > If you see either of these surface in the Bay Area, particularly the
>>> > less common SaddleSack bag, please contact me: 510.717.2736.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Sean
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen rivs in seattle

[Patrick Kelly]

You should post the bikes info on bikeindex.org asap. I believe if you
do, then it'll go out on https://twitter.com/stolenbikessea, too.



On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Rivcyclist  wrote:
> I'm in Arbor Heights, I'll keep my eyes peeled.
>
>
> On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 4:09:23 PM UTC-7, Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>> I had my two rivs stolen out of my house last night, a 56cm orange canti
>> sam and a 59cm san marcos. I think it was a targeted break in,  we're slowly
>> moving into a new place and had left bikes in the house overnight.  They
>> kicked in the back door and took the bikes, my brown Sackville shopsack and
>> a few other items.  It was in the Highland park neighborhood. Forgive my not
>> posting more details right now,  we don't have internet,  I'm writing this
>> on my phone and we're still trying to move in.  Anyways,  for any listers in
>> the seattle area,  keep your eyes peeled.  I'm heading to the pawn shops.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Patrick Kelly]

"Loud pawls save pals" ?

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:16 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Loud pawls save lives or something like that.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Kainalu  wrote:
>> Check out the solid sounding frequencies coming from a White Industries 
>> freewheel some time, it's an amazing clear the wayer/faux motor rumbler
>> -Kai
>> Brooklyn NY
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day

[Patrick Kelly]

nice!

(but i'm biased)

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> Received the amazing Appaloosa today!  My wife loved it on first ride, and
> the packing and condition was flawless as usual.  Some pics after I
> re-assembled.  More to come as we get it be-fendered and be-lighted.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskwbFNCA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

[Patrick Kelly]

This may sound trite, but I'm gonna jump to amplify one word Bill
used: easy. Riding my Appaloosa also struck me also as being "easy".
It's a word that came to me when riding mine, but it sounds too
trivial, almost, to speak of. I suspect that riding in a more upright
position affects my riding attitude. I feel less aggressive, and more
relaxed. But, I did find it was easy to go quick, too. I expect to
find that my Joe will be at least as fast as my old bike (which is
fairly tank-like).

Relative to handling, I found that it was not a big deal. I'm not a
super-cyclist by any means, but when people see the super long
chainstay, they assume it's got to ride differently. My friend and I
compared wheelbases between his bombadil and my joe app. His wheelbase
is actually a fraction of an inch longer. This is because he's taller
and has a much bigger bike. The chainstay is shorter on his, but
overall, they are nearly the same length. Point being that even with a
"radical" long chainstay, the bike is not really radically long. Are
there a lot of 6'2" people complaining about how their bicycle is too
long to navigate? I don't think so.

A curious thing, to me, was that I found myself pulling up on the
handlebars on acceleration. I assume it's the difference in riding
position. I guess that since I'm not leaning so heavily forward,
there's not as much weight on my feet/legs. It's not anything
stressful, it was just something I discovered I was doing.

It's also been mentioned (in some thread about Joes) that the rear hub
is loud. It's not the loudest I've heard, but it is louder than
average. Personally I find this to be a feature, since you can stop
pedaling a bit when coming up behind people and they may hear you
coming. It's less alarming than a bell.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> Meditate on Rule #10:
>
> Rule #10
>
> The harder I pedal the faster it goes. I have not done a Strava comparison
> to quantify my speed output relative to my perceived level of exertion
> input.  I can ride it as hard as I like, and if I work harder it goes
> faster.  If I ease up it goes slower, just like my other Rivendells, and
> just like all my other bikes.
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 5:38:07 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> How dors it feel going uphill, compared to your other rivs? Easier/harder
>> to get up them hills?
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Re: [RBW] WTB: backabike bags

[Patrick Kelly]

That was the shortest 6-8 weeks ever. They are back in stock.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Patrick Kelly <patr...@phlatphrog.com> wrote:
> Awesome
>
> Thanks Bill!
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock?"
>>
>> I emailed Spencer who is the ordering and receiving guy from the RBW email
>> directory.  I asked him when backabike bags will be back in stock, and he
>> replied that they will be back in stock in 6-8 weeks
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 12:06:16 AM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> Well I guess that means these bags are so awesome that nobody wants to let
>>> go of theirs. That's good in general, bad for me at the moment.
>>>
>>> Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock? I've already set
>>> up the auto stock notification email for all colors in the online store.
>>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2016 8:43 AM, "Patrick D Kelly" <phlat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have a pair of backabike bags might be better appreciated
>>>> elsewhere? Any color, (almost) any condition.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: backabike bags

[Patrick Kelly]

Well I guess that means these bags are so awesome that nobody wants to let
go of theirs. That's good in general, bad for me at the moment.

Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock? I've already set
up the auto stock notification email for all colors in the online store.
On Mar 15, 2016 8:43 AM, "Patrick D Kelly" <phlatph...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anybody have a pair of backabike bags might be better appreciated
> elsewhere? Any color, (almost) any condition.
>
> thanks
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Re: [RBW] WTB: backabike bags

[Patrick Kelly]

Awesome

Thanks Bill!

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock?"
>
> I emailed Spencer who is the ordering and receiving guy from the RBW email
> directory.  I asked him when backabike bags will be back in stock, and he
> replied that they will be back in stock in 6-8 weeks
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 12:06:16 AM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Well I guess that means these bags are so awesome that nobody wants to let
>> go of theirs. That's good in general, bad for me at the moment.
>>
>> Anybody have any clues when riv might have more in stock? I've already set
>> up the auto stock notification email for all colors in the online store.
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2016 8:43 AM, "Patrick D Kelly" <phlat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody have a pair of backabike bags might be better appreciated
>>> elsewhere? Any color, (almost) any condition.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: what bolts?

[Patrick Kelly]

Well, I haven't actually ordered the security bolts like I said I was
planning to. But I did jump in on an interesting kickstarter:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hexlox/hexlox-anti-theft-for-saddles-wheels-and-more-made

Probably should have just ordered the security bolts, but I'm a sucker
for a new gadget.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Tony <tony.m...@astound.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the tip about the upgrade available for the Allen wrenches. I
> bought the Security Bolts a couple of years ago, but gave up due to the poor
> quality tool that came with the bolts. My Riv has been fine here in the
> suburbs so far with a tether cable through the saddle, but I recently had my
> Specialized saddle/seat post stolen inside a BART station overnight - they
> cut the cable. I use a new cable with a ball bearing now in the bolt head,
> kept there with bee's wax, but I'm gonna try the Security Bolt again with
> the Bondhus tool. I'm actually gonna but five of the 5mm wrenches, since
> that's the only size I need - "Bondhus 48364 5mm Tamper Resistant Tip Hex
> L-Wrench with ProGuard Finish and Long Arm, 119mm, 5-Piece" $18 on Amazon.
>
> Tony
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 7:42:51 AM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> Nothing against the Pit Lock using contingent here (he says in advance to
>> avoid further ruffling anyone's feathers) but the security bolt idea is a
>> great and inexpensive solution -- you just need to remember to pack along
>> the appropriate tamper resistant hex L- wrench if you're the type that likes
>> to make adjustments on the fly. It's a nearly fool-proof solution since the
>> Riv binder design embeds the nylock nut flush on the other side .. all
>> you're left to worry about is the parts pinching thief who carries around a
>> set of security wrenches with him while out hunting. And btw: you can
>> replace the saddle clamp bolt the same way, as well.
>>
>> Shioji's spec is spot-on for the Riv standard seatpost binder. Lastly, the
>> wrenches that Security Bolts supplies with your purchase are pretty nice but
>> if you're looking to upgrade then Bondhus sells a decent set work looking
>> into:
>>
>> http://www.bondhustools.com/ccp0-prodshow/bondhus_48386.html
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:49:34 AM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat
>>> post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody know
>>> what size/which bolts I should get?
>>>
>>> I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any
>>> (anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?
>>>
>>> Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there
>>> any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's
>>> nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.
>>>
>>> mahalo
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[RBW] WTB: backabike bags

[Patrick D Kelly]

Anybody have a pair of backabike bags might be better appreciated 
elsewhere? Any color, (almost) any condition.

thanks

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[RBW] abe, joe, tom and I ride around sf

[Patrick D Kelly]

My buddy Dave Abercrombie (commonly known as Abe) and I went for a little 
ride around SF today. He on his Bombadil (Tom) and I on my Joe Appaloosa.

photos: https://flic.kr/s/aHskvHWLea
gps: https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8063583

(I neglected to turn on my gps until we reached the bay, but we actually 
started where the ride ended, so it was a complete loop.)

We rode from central SF, north to the beach, then west to the GG bridge. We 
rode over, and I wanted to get a photo of the Robin Williams tunnel. 
Unfortunately you cannot go there on a bicycle. But at least I got a lousy 
photo.  Then back across the bridge and continuing west and then south 
until we reached GG park. Then thru the park, back to "home".

This was my first real ride on a joe. It's an easy bike to ride. :) Riding 
in SF gives plenty of up and down hill action.

I moved my saddle back a bit at one point, which is surprising to me, since 
it's already got a setback seatpost, and the seat tube angle is supposed to 
be super mellow. I suspect it has to do with the bars coming back so far. 
Gonna have to pay attention to my knees to find out where's the right 
position for the saddle.

Sitting so upright is a little disconcerting. I feel like I should be 
wearing more tweed. Still unknown if I'm gonna stick with this bar, or 
change it up.

cheerios

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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Patrick Kelly]

I did in fact pick up my new joe yesterday. It was raining all day
yesterday, so didn't get a chance to get any photos. But today is
basically gorgeous in SF, so I got to take some photos.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157665354969562/

I managed to snag one of the very last longboy racks before they were
sold out. Riv stashed it somewhere for me, and Mark installed it
before pickup. I requested that it be mounted on the lower mount
point, rather than on the mount point on the seat stay. I was confused
by looking at this photo: https://www.instagram.com/p/9ejXZlLxFD/ It
looked to me like the top of the rack is way too high over the tire.
What I didn't realize is that that is a 650b wheel. That is a size 51
joe app, while mine is a size 55, with 700c wheels. When I was at riv
HQ Mark happened to walk through, and he explained to me that the
lower mount point is actually even lower than most bikes because the 2
mount points near the rear axle are rotated back a bit, compared to
other bikes. In order to actually mount the longboy there, he had to
trip a bit of metal off the mounting tab on the rack. (You can see
that here: https://flic.kr/p/DZbVDj) So at this point, the rack fit is
quite tight, and I may actually need to raise it if I put fatter tires
on.

The other tweaks, so far, are that I swapped the saddle, the brake
levers, and put on some grip rings.

I have a brooks b17 that I might swap to, or I might stick with this
one. Was not too excited about the standard saddle.

The standard brake levers can be mounted, as I received the bike, with
the bolts sticking up, and into your hands if you try to grip in that
area, or if you reverse the levers, with the bolts almost blocking the
gear shift levers. I did try it reversed, and it did work, and they
were not stabbing my hands, but I opted to get some brake levers that
give a little bit more wiggle room.

I'm sort of planning to wrap the bars. The grip rings are not
permanent, but they're easy (well, relatively easy) to put on/remove,
and I can try different positions for the levers for a while before I
do anything "permanent" with bar tape.

The bag tied to the rack is for a ride this afternoon. I don't have
any real bike bags with me. I was planning to maybe purchase a
backabike bag when I picked up the bike, but it turns out riv is sold
out of them, in all colors.

I've never had a bike with a kickstand before. Still having to
remember that I don't have to lean it against things when I want to
leave it for a second.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now that you mention it, I didn't see the blue in person either.  All the
> demos were mustard, and my 'Loosa is mustard.
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:49:58 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Yup, I received email notice yesterday that my bike is ready. Roughly 24
>> hours til pickup!
>>
>> I'm also eager to see the array of joes at riv HQ. And I still haven't
>> ever seen the blue in person.
>>
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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Patrick Kelly]

Yup, I received email notice yesterday that my bike is ready. Roughly 24
hours til pickup!

I'm also eager to see the array of joes at riv HQ. And I still haven't ever
seen the blue in person.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well if yours is "in the stand" it definitely will be ready.  They have to
> fire through at least a few per day, and Mark has one workstation.  Unless
> he's waiting for parts or something he's not going to set yours aside to
> work on somebody else's.  Enjoy it.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:28:00 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mine is not ready, yet, but I do have evidence that it exists. Dave
>> kindly sent me a photo of my rack installation. Mark had to do a bit of
>> modification, apparently, to get the rack mounted on the lower mount point,
>> but I'm very happy.
>>
>> I'm flying to the bay area tomorrow (for work), and Dave says it "should
>> be ready" for pickup on Saturday. I expect I'll find out when I show up at
>> rivHQ :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-10, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I have not received my "pick yours up" message either.  I have exchanged
>>> a couple emails with Riv, on other topics, and managed to resist asking
>>> "when can I come get my 'loosa?"  Though I admit I did drive to the office
>>> today instead of bike+BART just in case they tell me to pick it up tonight
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How about an unboxing video? :)
>>>>
>>>> I've been holding off starting a "anybody got a joe yet?" thread.
>>>> Maybe there will be several deliveries today, eh?
>>>>
>>>> I'm planning/hoping to pick mine up Saturday...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Christopher Murray
>>>> <chrispm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > FedEx dropped off a big box this morning. Very excited to get it
>>>> unboxed. Can't wait to see them in the wild.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > Chris
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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Patrick D Kelly]

Mine is not ready, yet, but I do have evidence that it exists. Dave kindly 
sent me a photo of my rack installation. Mark had to do a bit of 
modification, apparently, to get the rack mounted on the lower mount point, 
but I'm very happy.

I'm flying to the bay area tomorrow (for work), and Dave says it "should be 
ready" for pickup on Saturday. I expect I'll find out when I show up at 
rivHQ :)





On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-10, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have not received my "pick yours up" message either.  I have exchanged a 
> couple emails with Riv, on other topics, and managed to resist asking "when 
> can I come get my 'loosa?"  Though I admit I did drive to the office today 
> instead of bike+BART just in case they tell me to pick it up tonight
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> How about an unboxing video? :) 
>>
>> I've been holding off starting a "anybody got a joe yet?" thread. 
>> Maybe there will be several deliveries today, eh? 
>>
>> I'm planning/hoping to pick mine up Saturday... 
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Christopher Murray 
>> <chrispm...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > FedEx dropped off a big box this morning. Very excited to get it 
>> unboxed. Can't wait to see them in the wild. 
>> > 
>> > Cheers, 
>> > Chris 
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[RBW] on bike bag theft

[Patrick D Kelly]

I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.

I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them 
attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or 
similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile 
for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.

As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were stolen 
out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the thief 
had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That bag was 
seriously attached, and was not stolen.

In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody 
unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make 
me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any 
thoughts/experience on this?

thanks

p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your 
bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about 
where/when I leave my bike locked up.

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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Patrick Kelly]

How about an unboxing video? :)

I've been holding off starting a "anybody got a joe yet?" thread.
Maybe there will be several deliveries today, eh?

I'm planning/hoping to pick mine up Saturday...

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Christopher Murray
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> Can't wait to see them in the wild.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joes are in, photos on da BLUG

[Patrick Kelly]

I think those blug photos make the dirty banana color (my name for
their "mustard") look much darker than it actually is. If you check my
photos from when I took a test ride
(https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/albums/72157663735364022)
you can see a range of light/dark. I think the photos where the bike
is in direct sunlight actually give a better impression of the actual
color.

I haven't seen the "blue" in person, so I'm wondering if it's actually
even brighter than it seems in these blug photos...


On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
> @ Kieran:
> Those are jokingly called "dork discs". But I think they are great for
> protecting spokes. Very functional. But I would only want a clear one on my
> bike.
>
> As for the colors, I like both. Though I will say that I think an earthy
> color matches the name "Appaloosa" better than the light blue. When I think
> Appaloosa I think horse and grass and dirt and earthy colors.
>
> Congrats to all who got one! I am sure they are among the best bikes in the
> world.
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Re: [RBW] Re: "Store Credit" on BLUG

[Patrick Kelly]

If you combine this with some of the complete bike pre-orders, you're
getting some massive discounts. I hope riv has got their numbers
cranked right...

I've been wondering for a while if riv could do some kind of
"membership" (ala REI) but actually leverage this to create a cash
reserve. The problem is that most large companies "go public" to raise
cash, but obviously that's not an option for riv. Even though, I'm
sure there are plenty of customers who would willingly become
"investors" if there was actually a channel to do so. What they're
doing here is pretty darn close, except there is no time delay between
"buying in" and getting your "return", if you turn right around and
spend your credit immediately.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 5:39 PM, dougP  wrote:
> That's a way-better-than-decent return on investment if you're possibly
> going to spend a lot with Rivendell over even a few years.  Heck, maybe you
> get your friends & family together to scrape up the ante & make it work.  I
> assume the entire amount must come from a single source and all purchases
> would go thru that person.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 6:38:45 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:
>>
>> Wow! A super sized Kick Starter campaign. Too bad my wife and I just
>> bought a Clementine and an AHH. Now we won't be needing new bikes for at
>> least the next 10 years. My usual great timing!
>>
>> Reid
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Re: [RBW] No bike parking lockable signs? What's going on these days???

[Patrick Kelly]

In some cases it's easier to lock up to the facilities than to a "bike
rack". Compare these:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/18711501104/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/24111773134/


But, yes, in general I appreciate it when there is a real, designated
place to lock up. As long as it works.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:27 PM, WETH  wrote:
> I make a point of complaining to a manager/owner if store I patronize doesn't 
> have a good place to lock my bike.  It has only resulted once in a rack being 
> made available, but I took that as encouragement to continue asking and 
> asking at other stores! :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stealing bikes

[Patrick Kelly]

Both my sons have basically reached my height. One has moved away, but
the other has recently taken over one of my bikes that I re-built in
order to sell. I'm much happier with him riding it than needing to
sell it. :)

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Ryan Fleming
 wrote:
> double the reason to justify a large stable of bikes :)
>
>
> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 12:37:35 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> My son is approaching my height (he'll turn 15 in May).  This is a
>> pleasant surprise because his mom is not-tall.  If he gets close enough to
>> my height, all of a sudden my stable can do double-duty.  It might be a
>> while before he buys a bike that I can borrow, but for the short term, when
>> my wife complains that I have 10 bikes, I can handwave and say that only 7
>> are mine and 3 are my son's.  :-)
>>
>> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 10:15:09 AM UTC-8, Justin August wrote:
>>>
>>> ...from your own family!
>>>
>>> Last night I decided that I was going to abscond with my wife's Betty for
>>> commuting duties. I strapped my Carradice to it, swapped the bars from
>>> generic MAP clones to MAP/Ahearnes, Dia Compe levers to Pauls and the seat
>>> to a Brooks.
>>>
>>> This morning I rode in on plush Hetres leaving my Saluki with Fairweather
>>> X Nitto drops and Cazaderos at home. I got to school and bolted up my Bagman
>>> and it looks even better!
>>>
>>> We're the same height so we can share easily and she was excited to see
>>> all these changes.
>>>
>>> I think I'm going to have to find my own...
>>>
>>> -Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride--Sat 2/27 5:30pm

[Patrick Kelly]

Erik Nohlin (doesn't ride riv, but hangs with people that do, I think)
posted about doing an SF to SAC journey.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCCIrSQS_Ss/

"We're riding from SF to SAC for NAHBS. 08.15 ferry from Ferry
Building. Stop for liquid lunch at Heretic and hydration at Bikedog.
Chill - No drop. Arrive at NAHBS 4pm ish. Who else is on?"

Not included in the text, but in the photo is "this friday".


On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 6:28 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I’m planning to be at the show Saturday. Let me know where and when the Riv
> event will be.
>
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> On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> Bump.  Who's coming to NAHBS?  I'm organizing a little git together for
> Riv/iBOB folks on Saturday evening.
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 9:18:11 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks-
>>
>> Just bought my tickets for NAHBS, definitely getting excited about this
>> event!  As a resident of Sacramento, I thought I'd organize a meetup for my
>> friends on the Rivendell Owner's Bunch and Internet-BOB group, and share
>> some of the fun stuff about living and riding in Sac.  Towards that end, how
>> does this sound?
>>
>> Rivendell Owner's Bunch/iBOB Social Ride
>> A short ride at a social pace, at most 1 hour long
>> Meet: 5-5:30pm at Capitol Garage Restaurant & Bar, corner of 15th & K St,
>> just next to the Convention Center.
>> End: New Helvetia Brewing Company, 18th & Broadway (south end of Midtown,
>> north end of Upper Land Park, easy biking distance back to Midtown,
>> Downtown, Amtrak, etc.)
>>
>> I'll try to get to Capitol Garage around 5, so people who need respite
>> from the show floor can join me there for a pre-ride pint, and we'll get
>> rolling around 5:30.  We'll take an easy ride along the river, around to New
>> Helvetia, my local watering hole, where they brew many fine ales and lagers.
>> Social pace, no drop, everyone welcome, etc. etc.
>>
>> I know there's numerous other social events planned for that evening and
>> the whole weekend, so my intention is to make a relatively casual event so
>> people can come and go as they please.  Say hi at the meetup, come for all
>> or none of the ride, meet us at New Helvetia, whatever.  If there's still a
>> good group sticking around at New Helvetia, we can retire to my place which
>> is very close to there, and my wife has offered to grill us up some grub.
>>
>> If this sounds like fun, please RSVP so I have a rough idea of count. If
>> we're a significant crowd, I'll warn the businesses of incoming bike nerds.
>> If you need to borrow a bike, PM me with your size and I'll see what I can
>> do.
>>
>> See you soon,
>>
>> Jeremy
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[RBW] Re: FS 56cm Sam Hillborne Complete Build

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

pm sent
joe kelly
columbus ohio

On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 3:55:44 PM UTC-5, Stephen D wrote:
>
> Selling a complete Sam build - $1,500. 
>
> Pictures are here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendm/albums/72157664785138301
>
> I'm located in Baltimore. I can really only do local pickup, as I a) don't 
> have a car and b) am hesitant to ship a used bike that is this expensive -- 
> I'd rather the buyer have a chance to look over it and make sure they are 
> happy with it before they buy it.
>
> My wife and I recently moved from Savannah to Baltimore and are just not 
> riding our bikes the way we used to. We are selling her 56 cm Sam, which we 
> rebuilt about 2 months before moving and which has just not been used since 
> we moved.
>
> The Sam was bought in ~2013 (I believe -- it was when Rivendell was 
> selling the discounted Sam frames because the headtube was erroneously 
> painted blue instead of cream). We ordered it with the basic drop bar Sam 
> build, which is what the drive train still is. Here are a few of the 
> upgrades / details.
>
> The condition of the bike is very good. I can't find any paint chips or 
> anything on it. Let me know if you want any close up pictures of anything 
> and I'll add more pics to the flickr album.
>
> *Lighting*
> Son28 Dyno Hub
> Edelux II Dyno Headlight
> Velo Lumino Dyno Taillight 
>
> *Brakes*
> Paul Racer brakes, front and rear
>
> *Tires*
> Compass Barlow Pass 750cx38 extra legere - barely used
>
> *Rims*
> Velocity Synergy
>
> *Racks*
> Nitto Campee Front and Rear. Pictures show pannier racks attached and 
> removed.
>
> *Fenders*
> Honjo Snakeskin
>
> *Saddle*
> Selle Anatomica - 2014 T Series WaterShed Mahogany - Gunmetal -- We have 
> a spare B17 in like new shape you can swap this out for if you want.
>
> *Cockpit*
> IRD Stem Shifter Mount for Silver bar-end shifters
> Albastache bars
> Nitto Dirt Drop stem
> (also included is a Nitto Noodle with Tallux stem)
>
> *Pedals*
> Thin Gripster
>
> *Drivetrain*
> Standard Riv built front Crankset 
> Shimano Deore XT front derailleur
> Rear Cassette is 9sp 12-36
> Rear Derailleur is Shimano Altus
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
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[RBW] what bolts?

[Patrick D Kelly]

I've got a joe appaloosa on order. I'd like to try out securing my seat 
post and saddle with bolts from http://www.bicyclebolts.com/. Anybody know 
what size/which bolts I should get?

I've used pinhead locking skewers on my bikes up to now. Any 
(anti-)recommendations for skewers and the joe?

Assuming I used a good u-lock and sheldon brown locking method, are there 
any other bits that I can/should worry about locking? I'm guessing there's 
nothing to be done (nothing available) for the quill stem/handle bar.

mahalo

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam

[Patrick Kelly]

If one is trying to decide between an Atlantis and a Sam Hillborne,
isn't the answer a Joe Appaloosa? :)

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> Bruce: knowing the Fargo (at least, the 17" first edition, pre suspension
> model) and not knowing the Atlantis, I'd be very interested to hear your
> description of how the Atlantis rides compared to the Fargo.
>
> The Atlantis (and the Roadeo) is one Riv model I'd buy had I the cash.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
>>
>> I've owned both and you can easily add fenders to either depending on
>> which tires you are running. There are other posts on this group that
>> document this. The biggest tires I can fit on my Sam Hillborne are BG Rock &
>> Roads. The Hillborne is a nice all around bike. With Albatross bars, Shimano
>> 9 speed XT FD & RD + Dura Ace bar-end shifters in friction mode- it's as
>> smooth as butter. I don't own an Atlantis anymore. I've owned 2 previously.
>> One was too small and the other too big. With that said, there is a
>> difference in ride quality with the Atlantis. I can't really explain but it
>> just kick's ass in all types of terrain.
>>
>> I ride my Salsa Fargo with Jones bars and my Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross
>> much more these days. Rodeo and Hillborne hang on the garage walls for
>> now.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bruce in San Diego
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 11:01:49 PM UTC-8, Lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> For those of you who own or have owned both:
>>>
>>> 1. Do they ride differently with the same type of setup, or do they feel
>>> the same?
>>> 2. Both just as easily fender able?
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Re: [RBW] FS: Garage sale! Wheels, Tires, Fork, Pedals, Derailleurs, Bike Bag, Complete MTB...

[Patrick Kelly]

Jeremy,

Will that look bag hold a size 55 joe appaloosa, do you think?

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:55 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> Hey Folks-
>
> Pressure from the wife and the need to offset costs of some recent
> purchases/ upcoming projects means I'm doing a bit of spring cleaning out in
> the garage.  Here's a list of stuff for sale.  I'm in Sacramento, CA and
> often in the SF Bay Area, so local pickup is my preferred method of
> delivery, but I'll ship a lot of the items, especially if you buy multiple
> things.  Everything is OBO.
>
> Here's the pictures:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsktdoi5T
>
> Here the list:
> -27" (630mm) fixed gear rear wheel, $60. Sun CR-18 rim, Origin-8 branded
> Formula sealed bearing, double sided fixed gear hub, Wheelsmith 14g spokes.
> Currently spaced at 126mm but can be spaced up or down by adding or removing
> spacers on both sides; plenty of axle length to even go up to 130mm.
> Handbuilt by me, not a whole lot of miles ridden before it was put in
> storage, I recently trued it and checked the tension.  Bearings spin
> smoothly.
> -26" (559mm) rim brake front wheel, $60. Mavic XM 317 rim laced to Shimano
> LX hub with DT 14g spokes. Handbuilt by QBP's wheel shop, formerly
> "Handspun" now "Quality Wheels"  Used by my wife on the front wheel of her
> commuter for 2.5 years until I built her a dyno wheel this past fall. Runs
> true and spins well.
> -Front and rear first gen Shimano Deore "Deerhead" derailleurs (FD- and
> RD-M700), $50 Perfect functionally, OK cosmetically.  Came on an old Takara
> touring bike I converted to fixed gear.  Cool old derailleurs, I always
> thought I'd find a use for them but honestly all of my derailleur bikes are
> indexed these days.
> -4 pairs of Time ATAC pedals, $75 for all of them.  All of my old clipless
> pedals, I now ride flats exclusively. One pair of the old (original?) grey
> plastic ATAC's with the large inboard bearing, two pairs of the "Alium"
> model including one silver "HP" pair, and one pair of circa 2006 ATAC XE's.
> All are functional, and the three older pairs still spin beautifully, with
> no play in the springs, although the RH black Alium is missing the dust cap.
> Ironically, the newer XE's have a little bit of bearing play and play in the
> springs.
> -Look Bike Bag $50.  Large main pocket for frame/fork and side wheel pockets
> with enough room for two wheelsets.  I bought this in Luxembourg during a
> trip to Europe so I could take my bike on the French TGV trains.  I used it
> hard for a month and then for a couple of subsequent trips involving flying
> with my bike, but since then It's mainly been used for storing various
> frames, wheels and tires.  It does have some tears and holes in fabric and
> cardboard stiffener on the bottom, but with some judicious patching it would
> be a great and cool way to transport your bike.  (Sorry folks, I can't ship
> this one).
> -1" threadless Surly Cross-Check fork $50.  Black powder coat, no logos,
> sloping fork crown, ~26cm of steerer, star nut installed.  This was the fork
> on my Trek touring bike for many thousands of miles before I retired that
> frame, so it's well used but in good shape.  There's some areas on the upper
> half of the steerer that seem to have been worn a little bit smoother,
> possibly by headset spacers and a slightly loose headset, but there are no
> scratches or gouges.
> -1 pair WTB "Allterrainasaurus" 700x40mm tires, $40.  Little or no use,
> always stored inside, good shape, wire bead. These have a knobby tread
> intended for mixed surfaces, a precursor to the current "gravel" tires
> currently in vogue.  These used to be my go-to summer tire on my touring
> bike; they have good volume and roll well on pavement while providing
> confidence off-road.  Back then we called it "mixed-terrain" riding.
> -1 Kenda "Slant Six" 29x2" wire bead tire, $20. XC tread with somewhat
> minimal knobs; this is a 30TPI OEM spec tire so it's on the heavy side.
> Used for less than a year on the front of my MTB before I swapped to
> something lighter and with more aggressive tread.  Plenty of life left.
>
> Those are the parts.  The bike pictured is a practically NOS 2008 Jamis
> Dakota Sport aluminum hardtail MTB, 17", which we bought for my wife last
> summer.  She only rode it a couple of times on short MTB rides, and recently
> she bought a Clem Smith Jr. from Rivendell that she can ride off-road with,
> so this one is going.  9spd Deore/XT drivetrain, Shimano hydro disc brakes,
> RS Tora fork.  It's going on craigslist for $600, but I'll do $500 for a Riv
> Lister.
>
> Cash or Paypal accepted.  Let me know if you're interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeremy
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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest Blug, MUSA clothing, and Crapmanship

[Patrick Kelly]

While I wasn't totally satisfied with the musa knickers I had briefly,
they did convince me that nylon is good for riding pants. For me, I
like REI's "adventure pants"
(http://www.rei.com/product/877606/rei-adventures-pants-mens-32-inseam).
I have 2 pairs which I alternate almost continuously.

They're a good weight of nylon, maybe not as thick as musa, and well
designed. Actually, REI changes specs sometimes (from year to year, I
think), so some years the weight is not right. When I found that this
years batch was good, I bought my current 2 pairs. (I've "outgrown" my
other pair.) Pretty easy to roll up the cuffs to create that knicker
effect.  Grin.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
>For anyone fretting over the clothing not being made anymore, there are
> many people , family, friends, professionals, who can replicate your
> favorite pants, shorts etc.  Good fabric can be bought online, as well as
> all the fittings etc.
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[RBW] Re: FS: merino wool items

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

one more bump before i send these off to ebay. i can make a package deal on 
shipping multiple items. i bought all the items from rivendell, planned to 
use them, but just havent much and i want other rivendell stuff instead. 
upon inspection it looks like i had the prices for the long sleve and the 
short sleeve backwards, so that is fixed now as well.

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, joe kelly wrote:
>
> hi 
> i am selling the following items:
> -MUSA long sleeve merino wool t shirt in slate blue size large. i wore 
> this a few times but i dont like the color. size large but fits tight. has 
> a small hole near belly button area. 20
> -Merino Skins mens XL short sleeve 100% merino t-shirt. black. worn a 
> couple times. 30
> -Merino Skins mens XL long sleeve 100% merino wool t-shirt. black. also 
> worn only a couple of times. 35
> -Merino Skins mens L long johns. only worn a couple of times. black. 30
> -MUSA railroad shirt L. this is from the original run, it looks like a 
> chambray shirt. new never worn. i bought one and liked it so much i bought 
> two more but i only alternated between two and never wore this one. i cant 
> currently fit in this size so off if goes. these are really nice shirts.  90
>
> all items have been through washer and dryer cycle (except railroad shirt, 
> its brand new), so expect them to have already shrunk as much as they 
> normally would. the merino skins shirts and the musa shirt are cut tight 
> fit like a jersey and not cut for overweight figures. long johns fit 
> normal, maybe even a touch baggy.  Railroad shirt fits normal.
> all prices include shipping
> feel free to ask questions and for pics
> thanks
> joe kelly
> columbus ohio
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: merino wool items

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

meant to put railroad shirt at 60 bucks. forgot to, sorry
thanks
joe

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 3:19:27 PM UTC-5, joe kelly wrote:
>
> one more bump before i send these off to ebay. i can make a package deal 
> on shipping multiple items. i bought all the items from rivendell, planned 
> to use them, but just havent much and i want other rivendell stuff instead. 
> upon inspection it looks like i had the prices for the long sleve and the 
> short sleeve backwards, so that is fixed now as well.
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, joe kelly wrote:
>>
>> hi 
>> i am selling the following items:
>> -MUSA long sleeve merino wool t shirt in slate blue size large. i wore 
>> this a few times but i dont like the color. size large but fits tight. has 
>> a small hole near belly button area. 20
>> -Merino Skins mens XL short sleeve 100% merino t-shirt. black. worn a 
>> couple times. 30
>> -Merino Skins mens XL long sleeve 100% merino wool t-shirt. black. also 
>> worn only a couple of times. 35
>> -Merino Skins mens L long johns. only worn a couple of times. black. 30
>> -MUSA railroad shirt L. this is from the original run, it looks like a 
>> chambray shirt. new never worn. i bought one and liked it so much i bought 
>> two more but i only alternated between two and never wore this one. i cant 
>> currently fit in this size so off if goes. these are really nice shirts.  90
>>
>> all items have been through washer and dryer cycle (except railroad 
>> shirt, its brand new), so expect them to have already shrunk as much as 
>> they normally would. the merino skins shirts and the musa shirt are cut 
>> tight fit like a jersey and not cut for overweight figures. long johns fit 
>> normal, maybe even a touch baggy.  Railroad shirt fits normal.
>> all prices include shipping
>> feel free to ask questions and for pics
>> thanks
>> joe kelly
>> columbus ohio
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: merino wool items

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

bump again with hew prices. feel free to make an offer.

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, joe kelly wrote:
>
> hi 
> i am selling the following items:
> -MUSA long sleeve merino wool t shirt in slate blue size large. i wore 
> this a few times but i dont like the color. size large but fits tight. 25
> -Merino Skins mens XL short sleeve 100% merino t-shirt. worn a couple 
> times. 35
> -Merino Skins mens XL long sleeve t-shirt.also worn only a couple of 
> times. 25
> -Merino Skins mens L long johns. only worn a couple of times. 35
> -MUSA railroad shirt L. this is from the original run, it looks like a 
> chambray shirt. new never worn. i bought one and liked it so much i bought 
> two more but i only alternated between two and never wore this one. i cant 
> currently fit in this size so off if goes. these are really nice shirts.  70
>
> all items have been through washer and dryer cycle( except railroad shirt 
> its brand new), so expect them to have already shrunk as much as they 
> normally would. the merino skins shirts and the musa shirt are cut tight 
> fit like a jersey and not cut for overweight figures. long johns fit 
> normal.  Railroad shirt fits normal.
> all prices include shipping
> feel free to ask questions and for pics
> thanks
> joe kelly
> columbus ohio
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: merino wool items

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

bump with new pricing


hi 
> i am selling the following items:
> -MUSA long sleeve merino wool t shirt in slate blue size large. i wore 
> this a few times but i dont like the color. size large but fits tight. 35
> -Merino Skins mens XL short sleeve 100% merino t-shirt. worn a couple 
> times. 45
> -Merino Skins mens XL long sleeve t-shirt.also worn only a couple of 
> times. 35
> -Merino Skins mens L long johns. only worn a couple of times. 45
> -MUSA railroad shirt L. this is from the original run, it looks like a 
> chambray shirt. new never worn. i bought one and liked it so much i bought 
> two more but i only alternated between two and never wore this one. i cant 
> currently fit in this size so off if goes. these are really nice shirts.  80
>
> all items have been through washer and dryer cycle( except railroad shirt 
> its brand new), so expect them to have already shrunk as much as they 
> normally would. the merino skins shirts and the musa shirt are cut tight 
> fit like a jersey and not cut for overweight figures. long johns fit 
> normal.  Railroad shirt fits normal.
> all prices include shipping
> feel free to ask questions and for pics
> thanks
> joe kelly
> columbus ohio
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ready to Ride

[Patrick Kelly]

That black 55cm sam hillborne would be super tempting if I didn't
already have a joe a. on the way. sweet.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> I'll never warm up to the name, but those red and white Roadeos are the bee's 
> pajamas. I'm not saying you should buy it, but I'm not saying you shouldn't 
> ;-)
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Re: [RBW] Re: joe appaloosa photos

[Patrick Kelly]

Hugh,

Well, it is almost "mine" since that's the same size and color that I
ordered. A big reason I wanted to go check it out in person.

When I decided to order one, I knew that the bars would be a question.
But I figured that if it turns out I don't like them, I'll just
replace them. Given the bargain price it seemed like a pretty low risk
thing to me. One thing I definitely do like is that it's possible to
use the forward position on them. I never felt that was really
possible with the bosco bars. The choco bars are more like the
moustache that way, but they use mountain levers which i prefer.

I can't really say much about the "feel" of the bike, and certainly
don't notice anything special with the long chainstays. The thing I
noticed about the "feel" of the bike was how cushy the ride is. But
that's basically all because of the fat, low pressure tires. Maybe
it's partially cuz of the longer wheelbase, but that's impossible to
say without riding side-by-side on a shorter bike with the same tires
at the same pressure.

I did try to do some tight turns and loops to see if I noticed a
smaller turning radius, but wasn't really hampered by the long
wheelbase. Keeping knees out of the way of the bars is more of an
issue than the length. Again, if I had another shorter bike to compare
side by side, perhaps I'd be more sensitive, but it seemed pretty
normal to me.

I'm hoping that the longer chain stays will help with my climbing. On
my current bike (not a riv) when I'm climbing, the front wheel comes
up too much, so I lose my ability to steer from time to time. My
theory/bet is that this will not happen on a joe appaloosa. :)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:20 AM, hsmitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, should have read the OP better. Test ride Duh.
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 12:30:50 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Went for a(nother) test ride on the Joe yesterday. It rained a bit, but
>> then the sun came out. Too bad I had to return it.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157663735364022
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