Re: [RBW] how wide of wheels and tires will a specialized seqoia handle

[Mark R.]

[image: IMG_0295.jpeg]Plenty of room. That’s an 84, with Specialized tires 
marked 28 but measured 23. I ran true 32s


Mark R
Sdca
On Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 7:55:27 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hey Bo,
>
> I had a later Sequoia (most likely an '85) that could also comfortably fit 
> the Soma Supple Vitesse 700c X 33's,  and looks like you could probably 
> squeeze in a 35. Probably 28's are the widest you could run and still fit 
> fenders. I also converted it to 650b for a while, and I was able to fit 
> Schwalbe G-Ones which measured just over 40mm wide. 
>
> ~Mark
> Kailua, HI
>
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> On Apr 3, 2024, at 08:09, bo richardson  wrote:
>
> there is a steel sequoia I am looking at remotely.
>
> the tires on it say 23mm and look narrow as knife blades
> there doesn't seem to be a lot of room beyond that 
> for wider wheels and tires.
>
> I bet there are 20 people on the list with experience 
> with this situation
>
> is the sequoia a good solution for someone hoping for
> 32s or at least 28s?
>
> fenders would be too much to hope for?
>
> thanks for the expertise
>
> Bo 
> Bellingham
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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano Rapid Rise XT RD-m780, Velo Orange crankset 46/30, CX70 brakes, Brooks B72 + saddle sandwich, B+M Secula Plus, SunTour BL FD, more

['mark e' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Do you have prices?

On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultegra 9spd long cage range

[Mark West]

I use it with an 11-32 cassette (friction shifting) and it works fine. I
originally used it with a wolf tooth road link but realised it didn’t need
it so now run it without. No problems.

Cheers,

Mark
Glasgow, Scotland

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 at 12:50, Peter White  wrote:

> You can get it to work with the larger cogs, up to 32 teeth, but when you
> do that the shifting on the smaller cogs will suffer, depending on their
> size, as the upper pulley will be too far from the cogs. I get excellent
> shifting across the entire range with a 30 tooth large cog and 14 tooth
> small, but that's the limit, unless you're OK with sluggish shifting at the
> small end. The problem is you have to tighten the "B" screw too much in
> order to clear the largest cogs, resulting in the upper pulley being too
> far from the 11 or 12. I suspect that if I had a 12 tooth small cog it
> wouldn't shift well, but I haven't tested that as a 12 tooth small cog
> would never get used, at least not by me. ;-)
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 8:36 PM Greg J  wrote:
>
>> I too have used it with a 11-32 and it worked fine.
>>
>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 4:16:04 PM UTC-8 Andy Beichler wrote:
>>
>>> I am running an 11-32 cassette with a long cage and it indexes fine.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:47:48 PM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have one with an 11-30 cassette and it works well.
>>>>
>>>> Cody, Chicago
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 5:42 PM dylan green 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Jeremy - I was definitely hoping an 11-32 would be OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 3:35 PM Jeremy Till 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Generally, with Shimano road derailleurs the short and long cage
>>>>>> versions usually had about the same max cog specification, around 27 or
>>>>>> 28t. The difference was that the longer cage one had enough capacity that
>>>>>> it could handle a triple in front.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The general consensus around here is that Shimano derailleur
>>>>>> capacity/max cog specifications are usually a little bit on the
>>>>>> conservative side, and many have successfully used them with larger rear
>>>>>> cogs than those for which they were specified. If it were mine, I'd be
>>>>>> tempted to see if it could shift something like an 11-32 cassette.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jeremy Till
>>>>>> Sacramento, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:14:12 PM UTC-8
>>>>>> dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a 6500 series Ultegra RD with a long cage. Anyone know the
>>>>>>> range of cassette I should be able to work with? I believe the short 
>>>>>>> cage
>>>>>>> can take 28, but I can't find the long cage max anywhere...any help is
>>>>>>> appreciated!
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Re: [RBW] FS: Rivendell Platypus Frameset, 55cm, “Lime Olive”

[Mark C]

Still available when I checked a couple days ago. I wish I could make it 
work for me. 

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:26:13 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

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> On Oct 16, 2023, at 5:47 PM, Nathan F  wrote:
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> I’ve decided to sell my 55cm Platypus from the original run in the “Lime 
> Olive” color.
>
> There are maybe 600 miles or so on the frame. I’m only selling it because 
> I don’t have anywhere to store it after a recent move. Bummer! Here's how 
> I built it if you're looking for some inspiration 
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> It’s in overall great shape, with some very minor cable run on the NDS 
> headtube, and some minor marks from a bike rack on the DS seat-stay and 
> mid-stay. No dents or anything major. As I exclusively ran it singlespeed, 
> the chain stay and hanger are in perfect shape, though the inside of the 
> dropouts are a little marked up from fiddling with the ENO hub.
>
> BB/seatpost/headset are included, as are “The Platypus Care Guide” and the 
> accompanying documentary DVD Riv gave away. I think I even have the 
> original paint covers for the canti-studs, but will need to look around for 
> them.
>
> Pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/9AD7Twu 
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> I am asking $1250 net to me shipped from Austin, TX (or free local 
> delivery!). 
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Re: [RBW] Carrying groceries on your bike

[Mark Schneider]

I use my old Litespeed MTN Bike. A demi-porteur rack supports a large 
Fabio's Chest, I load it up, often fully extended. A small Sackville saddle 
sack in the rear holding my lock and maybe some light items. Works okay, 
the bike handles the weight fine. I've also used my Suzie, the rear rack 
supports a large Wald Rack, and some cheap panniers, I'm going to mount the 
chest on the front and see how it works. I was kicking myself for selling 
my old medium Saddlesack, but the chest is a good replacement.
I've seen people do the bags tied to the handlebars, seemed sketchy, but 
I'm old and have enough trouble staying upright. 

On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:45:57 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've strapped saddlebags directly to the frame rails of my Flites. Here, 
> with Barley, but I've also used the gofast with a medium Sackville to carry 
> 30lb+ grocery loads. With the Saddlesack I use a Nitto wire guard to keep 
> the bag off the stays.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 10:37 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I've used baskets front and rear, saddlebags of various sizes and makes, 
>> and panniers on racks, and I always end up back with good panniers on a 
>> stout racks, either Tubus or custom. IME, stiff racks allow you to carry 
>> heavyish loads even on bikes with flexible frames -- I like my errand bikes 
>> to ride nicely unloaded; although I've used beaters my last few have been 
>> customs or nice Rivendell stock road models. My current Chauncey Matthews 
>> errand road bike is made of light, standard gauge tubing with custom front 
>> and rear racks and I've carried up to 50 lbs for short (<20 miles) 
>> distances without undue wobble. Sure, an Atlantis would be better for heavy 
>> loads but I would not find it as pleasant to ride unladen. (Funny, my best 
>> *rear* load carrier of all time was a very lightweight 531 1973 
>> Motobecane with 11 oz Tubus Fly rack.
>>
>> I've used various panniers but now favor Ortlieb backrollers, though I 
>> have to admit that the best grocery panniers of all time were made from 10 
>> gallon kitchen trash cans bought on sale at Target for $5 and strapped to a 
>> Tubus Fly using dowels.
>>
>> I'd be very wary of riding too far with loads slung from your handlebar 
>> as (1) the inertia makes steering far more ponderous and (2) the swinging 
>> actively throws steering off. I do confess to using this method myself 
>> occasionally after impromptu stops at the store while riding my gofast bike 
>> and the items won't fit in the musette I keep folded up in my seat pack, 
>> but then it's only 1/4 mile home.
>>
>> 46 lb load pictured, but I've carried 50 lb on this bike.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 7:28 PM st nick  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this probably has been discussed before.
>>>
>>> If you use your bike for such errands what is your method of 
>>> transporting groceries or other items?
>>>
>>> I have one bike with a rack and a large Wald basket that can handle a 
>>> couple bags of groceries but sometimes as I rotate through my bikes I use 
>>> the method pictured below of tying cloth sacks around the handlebar 
>>> balancing the load.
>>>
>>> I think this can be a risky method.
>>>
>>> I need to find some decent grocery panniers.
>>>
>>> Today I weighed these 2 sacks in bathroom scales.
>>>
>>> Dang...36.2 pounds. Glad it was only 2 miles return trip .
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What shoes does your Riv wear?

[Mark Schneider]

Looking at the bikes I have at my home, including the Rivs I'm almost 
entirely on Rene Herse tires. This includes an Umtanum Ridge the first 
knobby tire from them, I've tried, I'm impressed with the low noise and 
rolling resistance for such an aggressive tread. I feel that once you use 
them for a while, it's hard to ride anything else. I don't get flats too 
often, not in Half Moon Bay or in the Pescadero area. When I tried them a 
few years ago, I did really like the Supple Vitesse  in 700x42 on my 
Atlantis for a while. I do have a couple of Thuderburts in the mix and I 
have no complaints, but once they wear out...
I haven't tried the tires from Ultradynamico, or Sim Works yet, but I might 
dip my toe in at some point. 

On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 1:22:07 PM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:

> On my Rivendells I've noticed that, irrespective of the surface I'm riding 
> on, I actually prefer the handling with larger knobby tires than with 
> larger slick tires. This is true on both my Clem H (2016, first-gen) with 
> 45-55mm tires and my Rambouillet (green, ~2006 as far as I can tell) with 
> 36-38mm tires. My explanation for this is that Grant tends to design bikes 
> with larger geometric trail. When you add in the pneumatic trail of larger 
> slick tires, the whole thing can feel harder to turn. Knobby tires give you 
> the same shock absorption while putting less rubber on the pavement, thus 
> reducing the pneumatic trail. Jan Heine has noted this effect himself when 
> comparing knobby and slick versions of his tires. 
>
> My Rambouillet current wears RH (actually Compass, they're a few years 
> old) Steilacoom 700x38 knobbies. My Clem H has 29x2.2 Specialized Fast 
> Traks with the "Control" casing, which is an XC-oriented MTB tire with 
> relatively minimal knobs that rolls well on pavement. In my experience 
> there is no free lunch when it comes to supple casings and flats. Certainly 
> the ride is better with things like the RH standard casing but my rate of 
> flatting from glass and thorns goes up. Sealant and tubeless haven't been 
> the solution, in my experience, and I run both of my Rivendells with 
> tubes.  
>
> Since Patrick was also mentioning them I will say that I've used both the 
> 700x42 and 700x38 versions of the Soma Supple Vitesse EX on my Long Haul 
> Trucker, which seems to handle better with large slicks than my Rivendells. 
> Those are good tires with an acceptable flat rate for me. I also tried the 
> 700x38 SL version on my Rambouillet and found that not only did I not like 
> the handling, but the flat rate was excessive for me. Note that the only 
> difference between the EX and SL Supple Vitesses is the thickness of the 
> tread, with the EX having thicker treads. Unlike RH and other brands there 
> is no difference in the casing between the lightweight and longer wearing 
> versions. I believe that the Shikiro is the same tread as the Supple 
> Vitesse EX with a heavier duty casing.  
>
> Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2023 at 8:26:17 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve had tires on the brain this last week. I was thinking I might want 
>> to try something a little narrower on my Appaloosa so I’ve been a bit 
>> absorbed with that thought.
>>
>> At the moment I run the SimWorks Super Yummy tire with the black sidewall 
>> in 29x2.25”. I previously had their 26x2.25” tan wall tires on a 26” build 
>> and absolutely loved them on that bike. Unfortunately, in the larger size, 
>> with the sort of riding I do (spirited, urban, all-road) I find the tires 
>> sluggish and a bit unpredictable at times. Combined with the 25mm wide rim 
>> I use, the tires measure to close to 60mm wide.
>>
>> I was thinking about trying to find a tire with a more rounded profile 
>> and something that would be a bit narrower, somewhere in the 44-48mm range 
>> to start.
>>
>> I’ve been looking primarily at the Rene Herse tires. I have a friend who 
>> runs the Pumpkin Ridge (650x42) tire on his bike of a similar purpose and 
>> absolutely loves them. I’ve used the Naches Pass (26x1.8) on another build 
>> and also liked them a lot, but found that despite being the “endurance” 
>> casing, they were very prone to small punctures and didn’t handle the 
>> typical road debris around where I ride very well; this is one of the 
>> reasons I’ve typically stuck with knobbier tires.
>>
>> The ones on my short list are currently the  Manatash Ridge (700x42) and 
>> Oracle Ridge (700x48) tires from RH.
>>
>> I’m curious to know and see what others on the list use and have liked. 
>> If you have pictures, I’d also love to see what they look like 
>> (particularly 42mm on frames like the Appaloosa).
>>
>> — Ted
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brake Measurement Request

[Mark Schneider]

I should have mentioned this is on an Atlantis II.

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 4:47:04 PM UTC-7 Mark Schneider wrote:

> I have the same rack, and Deore XT V-brake, works fine. Just re-did the 
> cable today, cable is running on top. I don't bother with noodles.
>
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Just as I suspected, the Shimanos won’t work. BTW, forgot to mention that 
>> my bike uses 700c wheels. 
>>
>> Definitely too stubborn to remove my beloved Nitto rack, but curious 
>> enough to try the Tektros. Will post results when I get them in and attempt 
>> and install. 
>>
>> Many thanks for the responses and pics. Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:22:50 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did VO and bent under with my canti setup and power hanger. Not V 
>>> brakes but work well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 10:52 AM aeroperf  wrote:
>>>
>>>> We're running Tektro 837 brakes under a Mark’s Rack on my wife's 
>>>> Platypus.
>>>> This is the 50Cm Platy with 650b wheels, so your geometry may vary.
>>>>
>>>> 4.25 inches from the center of the brake post to the wire, 4.35 inches 
>>>> to the top of the brake arm, and 5 inches to the bottom of the rack.
>>>>
>>>> [image: Front BrakeS.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: V-Brake Measurement Request

[Mark Schneider]

I have the same rack, and Deore XT V-brake, works fine. Just re-did the 
cable today, cable is running on top. I don't bother with noodles.

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 1:46:01 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Thanks all!
>
> Just as I suspected, the Shimanos won’t work. BTW, forgot to mention that 
> my bike uses 700c wheels. 
>
> Definitely too stubborn to remove my beloved Nitto rack, but curious 
> enough to try the Tektros. Will post results when I get them in and attempt 
> and install. 
>
> Many thanks for the responses and pics. Cheers,
> Tony
>
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:22:50 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I did VO and bent under with my canti setup and power hanger. Not V 
>> brakes but work well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 10:52 AM aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>>> We're running Tektro 837 brakes under a Mark’s Rack on my wife's 
>>> Platypus.
>>> This is the 50Cm Platy with 650b wheels, so your geometry may vary.
>>>
>>> 4.25 inches from the center of the brake post to the wire, 4.35 inches 
>>> to the top of the brake arm, and 5 inches to the bottom of the rack.
>>>
>>> [image: Front BrakeS.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: PDW Safety Tabs

[Mark Schneider]

Thanks for the heads-up, I helped a guy on a Surly that took a very bad 
fall do to a stick in his front fender. He ended up in an air ambulance as 
I recall. Of course, he was running knobies with his fenders, which is 
always a bad Idea.

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 6:28:06 PM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> As a semi-fanatical fender freak (aluminum please!) who advocates their 
> use for nearly any and all bikes, I feel obliged to share that after 
> rolling over several thousand miles of gravel forest service roads my tire 
> kicked an unidentified object up into the front fender while at speed. It 
> was probably a short but stout stick. 
>
> When I installed a set of PDW Safety Tabs on my Ritchey a few months ago I 
> figured they worked as a sacrificial break away item in the event that an 
> object wedges between the tire and the fender.  What I discovered is that 
> they employ a barbed plastic head that pops free of the metal tab they are 
> inserted into. Indeed, I heard a loud POP when this occurred - followed by 
> the sound of the fender rubbing as it dangled from the opposite, still 
> intact stay. After straightening the slightly bent stay I was able to pop 
> the tab back together and continue my ride. 
>
> Would I have been launched over the bars by a seized front wheel had I not 
> installed the safety tabs? I don't know...and it's not a thing I care to 
> experiment with. 
>
> Of course, SKS fenders come standard with safety mounting tabs - but for 
> anyone running metal fenders that lack a safety tab, I can attest they are 
> well worth the few dollars they cost.  
>
> I'm curious if anyone else has had this sort of experience.[image: 
> IMG_1591.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Homers Going Live in a Few Minutes

[Mark Schneider]

I still have my 2011, and it's in fine shape considering it was one of 19 
and now one of 12. It was a standard build and all I've done is add Mafac 
Raid brakes I found on eBay a couple of years ago that were almost NOS. I'm 
curious if anyone has owned the both the old Waterford Homer's and the new 
LWB model?

On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:08:17 PM UTC-7 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Saw two people on Homer’s on my ride this morning, but I didn’t even 
> realize there was a release today. I too love the mustard color that’s been 
> making its rounds through the Riv lineup. 
> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 12:59:26 PM UTC-6 Chester wrote:
>
>> Anyone getting in on the latest batch of Homers?
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/homer
>>
>> I fought off the urge to get one by realizing that I'm still needing to 
>> push myself to find time to ride my Roadini more, that it probably suits me 
>> better, and the main reason why I have a strong urge to get the Homer is 
>> the cosmetics of the fully lugged frame.
>>
>> Scarce garage space helps dull the G.A.S. too.
>>
>> Chester
>> SF Bay Area
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Velocity Synergy Rim

[Saturday Mark]

In case your interested, I have a new Synergy (symmetric)650b laced to a 
Phil Wood FW style hub (130mm). Riv Rich Built wheel. Will sell for price 
of hub and rim only ($400)

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:09:19 AM UTC-6 tob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just picked up a set of these and only need one. I sent you a message.
>
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 5:29:24 AM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have damaged my rear 650b /32H OC rim and need to replace it.  I am 
>> hoping to find the exact replacement, to reuse the spokes, but they seem to 
>> be out of production.  If anyone has one sitting around unused I would like 
>> to have it.
>>
>> Michael
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roaduno catnip

['mark etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am excited to see the Uno in purple. 

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> From Will's email update today:
> September: Roaduno complete and frames (lime-olive, purple and dark gold).
>
> That's good news!
>
> Roaduno dreaming,
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Mark C]

Oddly enough, I had the same experience with my Rosco Platypus. The 
seatpost bolt was very tight to turn, but worked sort of okay for almost a 
week through a few adjustments due to trying different saddles. Then as I 
was turning onto my street after a ride, the seatpost slammed down. The 
bolt still seemed to be tight, but I finally marked it and could see that 
it wasn't turning in the nut even though the bolt turned with difficulty. 
Then, as I was suspecting and sort of hoping, the bolt broke. I never found 
the nut so don't know what was up there, but it sure seemed like the 
threads slipped enough to jam. I don't know how else the post would 
suddenly slip and the bolt still feel very tight. It was such a freak thing 
I didn't mention it, but now I hear of another case.
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:31:11 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> An update on my build experience so far - the derailleur hanger on my 
> frame was fine, no adjustment to alignment needed. No chasing needed on the 
> hanger threads either. The bottom bracket threads were also fine and the 
> cups threaded in smoothly. The most time consuming part so far has been 
> chasing the threads on the fork crown braze-ons - it took a while to get 
> them cleaned out and accept a screw smoothly. I've never acquired chasing 
> taps so I've always just used a steel screw, working it in and out until 
> the threads are clear. I've seen thread clearing tools made using a 
> sacrificial screw with a slot cut along the length of the threads to allow 
> material to clear while threading it, which probably would've made it go 
> faster.
>
> Out of the box, I noticed the seat collar binder bolt was oddly resistant 
> to turn in either direction; it took an unusual amount of force to get it 
> to tighten and the post still had play. Then while trying to loosen the 
> bolt it snapped in the middle of the shaft. After taking the two halves of 
> the bolt out, I found the nylock nut was bound to the end of the bolt and I 
> was unable to turn it loose using vice grips and a socket wrench. I 
> replaced the bolt with a new stainless M6 x 20mm and a standard, 
> non-locking, M6 nut (with some blue loctite on the bolt). Now everything 
> tightens up (and loosens again) as expected.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:20:47 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I got some Shimano levers for my internal gear bikes from Peter White 
>> that have two position cable attachments for normal or linear brakes. The 
>> right side lever has an integrated thumb shifter for the 8 speed Shimano 
>> hub. I don't know if a non-integrated right lever exists.
>>
>> The Paul Cross-Lever can also be used with either style of brake by 
>> repositioning the pivot pin.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:45:05 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Scott.  That helps a lot.
>>> I’m going for Tektro linear pull V-brakes, but no decision on levers yet.
>>> I like the adjustable pull on those levers, though.  I hadn’t run into 
>>> that before.
>>>
>>> I’m not trying to hijack this thread, but “Who is getting a Platypus”? 
>>> implies “and how are you going to build it up?”
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

[Mark C]

I think I said it backwards, and Joe got it right about stem extension. The 
Albatross needs less extension than bars like the Bosco, but  more than the 
Noodle. 

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had one with an Albatross, it worked ok but felt a smidge short in the 
> cockpit for me. These frames were designed and sized as traditional road 
> bikes with drop bars, so you'll want to do some math and decide if a long 
> stem - 12 or 13cm - will give you enough room without feeling cramped. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:52:55 AM UTC-8 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

[Mark C]

I think I said it backwards, and Joe got it right about stem extension. The 
Albatross needs less extension than bars like the Bosco, but maybe more 
than the Noodle. 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I had one with an Albatross, it worked ok but felt a smidge short in the 
> cockpit for me. These frames were designed and sized as traditional road 
> bikes with drop bars, so you'll want to do some math and decide if a long 
> stem - 12 or 13cm - will give you enough room without feeling cramped. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:52:55 AM UTC-8 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bambo conversion

[Mark C]

Albatross is great for what you are talking about; that was pretty much 
what it was designed for. I bought the original CroMo version when if first 
came out and liked it but did go back to the Noodle bar for general use 
then. Now I like more upright and the Albatross was designed to get you 
there. You'll want a shorter stem, and I would want a taller one too. I'd 
want something like a Dirtdrop, but there are other choices now too.

Here's a quote from Rivendell about upright bars: "*Rule out an Albatross 
before considering any other bar."*
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/bars-and-tape
The longer top tube bikes now open a lot of possibilities, but the 
Albatross is hard to beat for what you are wanting on a Rambouillet. You 
will need brakes and shifters (unless you have barends), but I personally 
like that combination better that road levers on an upright bar. I always 
ran downtube shifters on my Rambouillet which made the bar swap easier, but 
I do really like the inside out thumbshifter setups they use a lot now. 
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Not a Ram owner...but to get a bit more upright , have you considered 
> something like Albastache/moustache bars to split the difference  and keep 
> existing shifters and brakes?
>
> My PX-10 is a road bike but switching to moustache (which I've always 
> liked anyway) worked for me (as someone turning 70 this December)
>
> That being said, I don't see why going to Albatross on a Ram couldn't work
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 10:52:55 AM UTC-6 dfa...@charter.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 2007 Rambouillet, which I purchased new from RBW.  Now that I've 
>> gotten into "senior" range I find that I'd like to pedal more upright, so 
>> I'm considering putting Albatross bars on it.  I don't see many Rams with 
>> anything but Noodle bars, so I'm wondering if it's just a bad idea.  
>> Anybody with a Ram done this?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Mark Schneider]

Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie 
really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on 
the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and 
I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd 
gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small 
drop-off I occasionally find myself going over. 

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a 
> separate one.
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for 
>> something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my 
>> Albatross out a little and call it good. 
>>
>> The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy duty 
>> for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the road and 
>> tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease. 
>>
>> One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for heavier 
>> front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other than that, 
>> it’s a great bike. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a 
>>> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was the 
>>> Romanceur..so curious about your set up. 
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates them 
 the same, as far as durability. 

 There’s been some good suggestions already. 

 I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame. 853 
 steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride that you 
 describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version). 

 On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7 jacob...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or 
> other always came up. 
>
> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on 
> paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the 
> unpaved 
> stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but 
> any 
> bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile 
> ride. 
>
> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town 
> rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding 
> usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 
>
> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know 
> the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm 
> not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a 
> fall 
> last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). 
>
> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the 
> road as the Platypus?  
>
> Thanks for the help! 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>


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Re: [RBW] Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

[Mark C]

The Platypus sounds perfect for you. I got the Rosco Platypus with the same 
geometry and am amazed at how versatile it is. It is turning into my 
favorite mountain bike, and for everything else too. Yes, the "top tube" is 
shorter than the Gus, but far longer than most bikes. I was surprised that 
I needed about a 110 stem extension, but that is with Bosco bars; you 
should be able to use about anything on a Platypus with the right stem, at 
least if you don't buy too small a size. 

The other big thing is bottom bracket height (drop). You don't need the 
higher bottom bracket, and I certainly prefer the lower one. If you do 
still want the longer reach and longer wheelbase, it would be worth 
conidering the Clem too.
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 10:00:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> This will be interesting to watch. I’ve not ridden either but; Platy is 
> prettier (lugs), a true step through (bonus!), maybe a bit lighter, in 
> stock, less $$ & on paper more “roadish”. But, extra long wheelbase of 
> Gus/Suzie might give an even smoother ride, along with bigger rubber. I 
> assume the bottom bracket is lower on the Platy - again more roadish. Can’t 
> go wrong…
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Jacob Byard  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a 
> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or 
> other always came up. 
>
> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on paved 
> country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the unpaved stuff 
> is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but any bike 
> with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile ride. 
>
> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town 
> rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding 
> usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. 
>
> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know the 
> Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm not a 
> fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a fall last 
> year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). 
>
> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the road as 
> the Platypus?  
>
> Thanks for the help! 
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Mark C]

It is interesting to read how much our individual situations vary. I'm 
lucky to live where bike theft isn't a big deal. I know one friend who had 
a bike stolen in the past many years. He left it unlocked on the his back 
porch. Then another friend spotted someone riding it on the rail trail and 
got it returned. I'm not meaning to minimize others situations; it sounds 
awful having to worry about theft all the time and having to carry bulky 
locks.

I pick up strays (bikes) way too often and have been trying to get rid of 
extras lately, but I've kept a few beater bikes around. It is fun to ride 
the old Raleigh 3 speed once in a while. Until I got my Rosco Platypus I 
also put a lot  of time on my old mountain bikes on my daily neighborhood 
rides. Now the Rosco gets almost all the riding. When I finally get some 
wider rims (so that I can get wider tires), the Rosco can pretty much 
replace my mountain bikes. 

But someone else mentioned the big, big deal for me that doesn't seem to 
impact most people - road salt. It is hilly here and they really cover the 
roads with salt. I keep at least one sacrificial bike for those days, and 
even then try to stay out of the resulting salt river on the roads. If it 
weren't for that, I'd intended my Rosco to effectively be my beater bike, 
plus my do-everything bike. Still, it is just fun to have some variety, 
though the bar for fun bikes has been raised since the Rosco arrived.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 9:25:22 AM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:

> I've often wondered how frustrating it is for Grant.  So many of his bikes 
> end up as garage ornaments.   I've tried to explain to interested people 
> that the fancy lugs and paint get our attention, but the geometry, ride and 
> handling are what keep us on the bikes.   My '87 Trek has nice lugs and 
> looks cool,  but it hands in the garage while the Rivs get the play.   I've 
> used my Hunq for everything six is why I'm on my 4th set of fenders and 3rd 
> paint job. The Sam gets better treatment but several recreational rides a 
> week.   I don't mind locking either at a store, restaurant or bar with a 
> really, really good lock,  but do have a Soma Buena Vista I use for daily 
> commuting and a cheap aluminum mtb to use here in Michigan during the 
> winter.   Despite the practical choices I've given myself,  the Rivs get 
> the play time. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 7:57:50 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> When I was living in Alberta, I had an art studio near a bottle depot. We 
>> had a lot of houseless folks in the area for that reason. We were pretty 
>> good pals with some of the regulars and we had some very interesting 
>> conversations about bike thief's. The main points i remember that i use as 
>> general rules: 
>>
>> 1. bikes and parts that can be bartered - 26" wheels are hot. old 
>> mountain bikes. anything with QR. Any seat is in danger. 
>> 2. Convenience - anything that can be swiped or taken off easy. (QR) 
>> Leaving a bike "for a moment" etc. Leaving a bike in a dark corner street 
>> late at night. Leaving it alone draws attention. Riding your carbon roadie 
>> and leaving it outside the shop to grab an espresso - its gone. Parking 
>> your bike in the same spot every single day makes it easy for more 
>> organized thief's. 
>> 3. Making it inconvenient means locking well lit high foot traffic zones, 
>> near spaces where other cyclists lock up (we kinda watch out for suspect 
>> behavior) coffee shops. bike shops. bars can be OK as there are often 
>> smokers outside etc. other social sort of spaces. 
>> 4. if somebody really wants it, they'll find a way. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-8 Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>> I ride my Rivendells for almost everything, but I'm not going to lock 
>>> them up outside a grocery store or a bar.  Or an outdoor music 
>>> festival, like Austin City Limits with 75,000 people.  I have my beater for 
>>> those things.
>>>
>>> The Rivs get 99% of all the riding I do.  They get rode hard and put 
>>> away wet.  Grant needent fret.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> Austin suburbs, TX
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:15 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
 to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
 sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
 instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
 tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
 not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
 who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
 the bike for?

 I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 
 favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I 
 bought it to ride it, but I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

[Mark C]

I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the plate. 
The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how people use 
theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the stand (like 
on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and close the 
stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that could 
easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy for 
keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike 
while on the stand! - not a good idea.



On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a pretty 
> good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered to put 
> the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly ridden and 
> has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
>
> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of 
> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical 
> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads 
> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight 
> it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m 
> so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
>
> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount 
> being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I 
> feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!  
>
> [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
>> kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that bike 
>> just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in the 
>> process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands are 
>> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped 
>> selling them. 
>>
>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
>>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I just 
>>> repeated what he said. Lame! 浪
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 

 On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand 
 screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if 
 you ever screwed it down that hard. 


 A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it 
 tight. 

 On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
> that 
> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie 
> Bars! 
> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if 
> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s 
> worth.)
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>
> Save the plate! Add some weight!
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>
>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with 
>> both is this: 
>>
>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, 
>> I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on 
>> the 
>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem 
>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the 
>> bike 
>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand 
>> wants 
>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will 
>> let 
>> you 

Re: [RBW] Who is getting a Platypus?

[Mark C]

My Rosco Platypus came with the fork off, but lots of extra packing added 
to the box by Rivendell. I ordered the Park derailleur alignment tool since 
that is the bike shop standard and not that much money. I was surprised how 
far the tab was out of alignment, but it was no big deal to put it right. 
It is probably a good idea to watch a couple videos if you haven't seen one 
used before. It took me a little longer than expected to finish putting 
mine together since I had a lot of parts decisions to sort out, but got to 
ride it the day after the frame arrived. These are amazing bikes.

BTW, I really like how Will routed the rear brake cable on his Platypus 
more or less straight to the V brake noodle instead of going up then down, 
so I did something similar. I'm surprised this isn't the standard build 
now. You can just barely see it with the staff bike pictures on their site.
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/wills-60cm-platypus
I ran just a bit longer housing at the rear and decided that needed a wire 
tie or twine to bring it closer to the frame. Will's looks shorter/tighter 
and probably didn't need that.

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:52:14 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> There is one on Amazon for 37.50 that is a clone of the Park:
>
> [image: tool.JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:47:19 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Thank you  Laing for the derailleur hanger alignment tool tip. I think 
>> I'll order this one from Nashbar, only $54.95.
>>
>>
>> https://www.nashbar.com/super-b-derailleur-hanger-alignment-gauge-silver-tb-1946/p1398199?gclid=Cj0KCQjwqoibBhDUARIsAH2OpWgTQxYdht-0vbnpE-So3anrX8FnoYvXu0tfPrjzHaAV72CFexJOtlkaAtXGEALw_wcB
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 9:49:28 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> An Instagram update from yesterday shows Platypus frames are being 
>>> packed and shipped!
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Ckbmiz_S5GB/
>>>
>>> Anyone get a shipping notification for theirs yet?
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Scott

 AFAIK RBW had stated in the newsletter that they do not want to open 
 the box just to check it sicne they need to ship it in another box.  One 
 can see their logic, especially since they are handling many more frames 
 than 5 years ago, and can't/don't have the time to check them or feel the 
 level of service they provided in the past is just unattainable now,

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:14:06 AM UTC-4 Scott wrote:

> Joe:
>
> I talked to Riv earlier this week about purchasing an Atlantis and 
> posed a few questions about F/F prep. I'm not here to make a blanket 
> statement about how all F/F are handled before they depart Riv, but I was 
> told they receive the Atlantis F/F with headset already installed and 
> that 
> a F/F I purchase would not have the hanger checked/aligned before sent to 
> me. My "guess" is they may not even unpack the F/F when they receive it. 
> There wouldn't be any reason for them to open it up, if nothing is to be 
> done on F/F. Maybe they are so busy it's easier to just place a new 
> shipping label on the box and out it goes. I live in rural Montana and am 
> a 
> little bummed I have to travel a good distance just to ensure hanger is 
> properly aligned after spending $1750 on a new baby. And I would doubt 
> the 
> threads are chased.
>
> Nothing whatsoever against Riv, just an observation. Seems it should 
> be part of the frame making process to quickly verify proper hanger 
> position somewhere between frame build completion and paint. I'm going to 
> travel and pay to have it done, anyways.
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 08:21:39 PM MDT, Joe Bernard <
> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Are these frames being sold as unprepped? I'm not clear on where they 
> are with that now but it would certainly slow down my "buy" finger if I 
> knew I still had to install the fork, adjust the headset, chase the 
> threads 
> and check the derailer hanger adjustment. 
>
> Joe "I don't know how to do the last two parts" Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:52:23 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
> I imagine quite a few have sold but Riv not being able to offer many 
> complete builds may be reducing sales. Hopefully they can get caught up 
> on 
> the backlog of builds in the queue. And, the Rosco version of the 
> Platypus 
> was just released recently so that fulfilled some people's wish for a 
> mixte 
> type road bike.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:13:17 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> It would seem that demand is mirroring that of the housing market.  
> Decidedly cooler than 12 months ago when Platys and 

[RBW] Re: The World's Ride

['mark etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I want to be the guy in Cuba. 

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:34:36 AM UTC-4 mcgr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Interesting, thanks.  Cool to see several double-top-tube bicycles in 
> there!
>
> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:34:49 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Some lovely photos by Steve McCurry of very utilitarian bicycles around 
>> the world. Of course, these really make our 'fancy' bikes look even that 
>> more fancy...in a good way!
>>
>> Steve McCurry 'The World's Ride' 
>> 
>> [image: india-11443.jpeg]
>> Cheers, John
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atypical Ride on a Riv

[Mark Schneider]

What a fun adventure, I've done a lot of paddling and biking, but never 
together.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:18:02 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> This seems cool and all, but every time I see photos of folks packrafting 
> with their bikes and wheels all precariously strapped to the top of the 
> raft, I just can't help from thinking how much it would suck to capsize 
> with all your bike gear. Maybe I'm just too used to the waterways I've 
> paddled in my part of the country where you can easily find yourself taking 
> a swim if you're not careful or skilled at paddling!
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:59:27 PM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Forgot a link to the map: 
>> https://shop.adventurewithkeen.com/product/nealy-map-lower-youghiogheny-river/
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 12:57:48 PM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> William Nealy drew a map of the Lower Youghigheny (95 miles of the GAP) 
>>> that would come in handy.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:42:20 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well this would be an interesting way to do the GAP!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2022, at 6:43 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

 That is so cool Collin! 


 I've used my bike to shuttle from the take out of our favorite white 
 water river (Mulberry River, AR). The take out was on our way upriver so 
 it 
 was convenient to do this. One or two of us would ride back to the 
 vehicle(s) and drive back for the boats. Second time we did that we 
 dropped 
 other gear and supplies with the bikes so those staying with the boats 
 could cook up a fitting lunch/dinner while we rode to and fetched the 
 trucks.  Love the multi-mode days!

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:01:12 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:

> Sort-of Ride Report
>
> Most of my rides during the pandemic were the same couple of loops 
> around the American river in Sacramento, which does have some great 
> trails 
> and some not-so-legal singletrack, but gets old if that's all you are 
> doing. I wasn't often able to (or unwilling) to make the 90 min drive to 
> the Bay Area to get a greater variety of riding in - think Mt Tam area, 
> Mt 
> Diablo, Golden Gate Rec area, etc but I did head up to Auburn and truckee 
> when I got the chance and it was on fire or snowed in.
>
> Fast forward a year and I recently picked up a neat little tool to 
> help increase the variety of riding that I can do in a city with a river 
> that runs through it - a packraft! Its a pretty cool thing to be able to 
> bike up to 30 miles and paddle almost back home, or bike 35 miles and 
> paddle into a boat-in campsite (sadly, the mosquito Fire in Foresthill 
> area 
> has closed most of those off for the forseeable future). I've gotten the 
> setup pretty well dialed, so I can load up an S24Os worth of gear plus a 
> raft, paddle, and PFD (I mostly go solo) without the Riv weighing like an 
> absolute tank (its still close to 70 lbs though!). 
>
> The typical route I try to do on the weekends now is to ride from my 
> apartment in Midtown and up to Nimbus dam (or just a little downstream), 
> blow up the raft, strap the bike to it, then paddle about 7-15 miles 
> depending on how I feel and how strong the wind is (wind is much worse on 
> a 
> raft than on a bike). Its a great way to spend the afternoon, and the 
> river 
> almost always changes from day-to-day thanks to drought related water 
> releases and power-requirements (the river is dammed pretty much the 
> whole 
> way, but the last stretch is the USACE Folsom dam and Nimbus diversion).
>
> Anywho, just wanted to share what is fast becoming a more typical ride 
> for me, but definitely a fun and different experience to my typical local 
> ride. With the colder weather setting in, I'll also have to wear 
> something 
> more than swimtrunks and sandals though :(
>
> Some sunny day photos:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8SjaVxY2ZNV3wJ9v6
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in Stormramento
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 68cm Atlantis

['mark etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a great looking Atlantis. I am always sorta looking for 68cm Riv's 
and when I saw your WTB I just figured there was no chance you would get 
one because they are so rare. Congratulations on finding 2.

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 2:13:23 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:

> Following up here just to say that, against the odds, this worked 
> amazingly well. Took 9 days from the WTB being posted for me to take 
> delivery of a 68cm Atlantis frame, which I built up right away, fine tuned 
> for a week or so, and is now up and running. The build was mainly dictated 
> by parts availability in my garage (didn't buy anything), but I also took 
> inspiration from the colour scheme of 1980s era Burger Kings after a photo 
> of one preserved behind a wall at a mall in Delaware made its rounds on the 
> internet a couple of weeks ago! I've attached a photo—hope I've done so 
> properly. 
>
> This success, I presume, would be unlikely enough. But, my WTB also led 
> straight to finding the other 68 I had been wanting, a Quickbeam, which 
> arrived today! Seems miraculous. Thanks to the tall guys on here who helped 
> me out! 
>
> Mack in Alberta (and in the middle of a pbh range) 
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 11:00:11 AM UTC-6 Mack Penner wrote:
>
>> In the last couple of years, at least, the bunch seems to have been 
>> amazingly effective at moving some 68cm Atlantises (Atlantii?) around to 
>> new owners. So, one more time? F/F/HS would be ideal, but if you only want 
>> to sell complete my arm could be twisted, probably. 
>>
>> I've been a reader for a little while, but never a poster, so this post 
>> might have an uphill battle ahead of it. Maybe a brief explanation will 
>> help: I managed to buy a 67cm Homer this winter, and it went straight to 
>> the top of my favourites list, ahead of a 62cm 2TT Appaloosa (thx Jim W!), 
>> a 61cm Roadini that I'm always on the verge of selling, and just barely 
>> ahead of a 60cm Platypus. Being totally hooked on the fit of the Homer, I 
>> want another big one but with room for fatter tires.
>>
>> Could this work in time for my end of summer tour in the Rockies to be an 
>> Atlantis tour? Here's hoping!
>>
>> Mack in Alberta 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: wheels (135mm spaced rear with freehub) for a Sam Hillborne

[Mark Allen]

I had Martin at Hoopdriver <http://www.hoopdriver.ca> build up a dynamo 
wheelset for my Sam in late 2019, and he did a fantastic job. Son Delux 
front / White Industries rear hub and H+Son Archetype rims. I'm also 
confident that the fine folks at Urbane Cyclist <https://www.ucycle.com> 
can set you up with something great as well.

Mark Allen
Toronto
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 4:49:56 PM UTC-4 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have an SH frame I built up but the wheels are crap. the only 135mm 
> spaced 700c rear I could find with fairly wide rim.
> and then a mismatched front.
> this bike deserves a decent wheelset.
> where do I go looking? what online stores/shops?
> there are very few 700c 135mm spaced wheelsets up here in Canada.
>
> Or if anyone has a decent set they would sell me (that would take an 8S 
> Shimano cassette) let me know.
> I'll be driving to Buffalo in the next few weeks to pick up some other 
> bike gear and so shipping to there would likely make the shipping cost 
> reasonable 
>
> Peter Stock
> Toronto Canada

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[RBW] Re: FS cheviot 60cm light blue

[Saturday Mark]

Saturday Cycles has a new sage colored 60cm Cheviot frameset available for 
sale if anyone is interested. $1500

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:37:58 PM UTC-6 Carla Waugh wrote:

> Sold
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:28:19 PM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:
>
>> BTW the bike is in Norman Ok. and is a 60cm
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:44:07 PM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:
>>
>>> This is my brother in laws Cheviot he ordered two years ago before knee 
>>> replacement and it has less than 50 miles. He decided that he wants to move 
>>> to an Ebike. This bike is in pristine condition. During shipping it came 
>>> with a small blemish and Riv suggested the local shop do the touchup which 
>>> is in the first photo. 2500 plus shipping. if you have any questions here 
>>> is his email hsda...@gmail.com
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of getting A Homer- does it feel quick?

[Mark Schneider]

I don't know about the new design, but I've had a Waterford Homer since 
2011 or there about. I love the smooth, comfy ride, and it's plenty quick 
enough. Not fast like my old Masi or my custom Terraferma, but plenty fast 
enough, especially with Rene Herse Tires. The Homer is more comfortable and 
rides similar width tires as the Terraferma, but I have ridden some pretty 
gnarly single track on that Homer I would not try on my other "fast" 
framsets. If I had to have only one bike, I always thought I'd pick the 
Homer. I do wish it had canti-brake mounts I'd run my favorite brake ever,  
the Paul Mini-Moto's! 
I also have an Atlantis, and it's more of a mountain bike, setup with 
upright bars, the Homer is faster than the Atlantis, but I love riding them 
both.
I've seen plenty of Brevet riders on Homers, great long distance bikes are 
both fast and comfortable, I'm sure the new ones ride beautifully, are even 
more comfortable and probably faster downhill.

Mark

On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 6:54:22 PM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Graham,
>
> I believe you said elsewhere that you're looking for one of the older 
> Homers.  I got a 2011 Homer about 6 months ago.  My first Riv.  It's 
> fantastic.  I put 38 mm Soma Shikoro tires on it -- may try 44s when they 
> wear out -- and use it for my commute (with a rear rack and panniers) in 
> Los Angeles.  Take it longer (30-40 mile) rides several times a week.  Have 
> done spend a few full days in the saddle with long climbs and descents.  I 
> literally couldn't be happier or imagine anything I'd want to do that I 
> can't.  
>
> I've had a few short spins on a friend's Hunq, double TT Sam, older 
> Atlantis, and a zippy custom.  All really wonderful.  Find myself 
> fantasizing about getting another Riv (Joe App or Atlantis) to complement 
> the homer, maybe with fatter tires, front basket, swept back bars, etc., 
> but every time I do so, I ask myself why, as it would mean that I would 
> have less time on my Homer that is so comfortable and smooth.  It's such a 
> joy to ride and a true all-rounder, just as a quick as my old Raleigh 
> Reynolds 753 road bike, when I want it to be, but far more versatile and 
> handles better, for sure.  
>
> Good luck with our search, but if you can find one at a reasonable price, 
> I can't imagine you'd be disappointed.  Mine is all that I'd hoped it would 
> be and more.
>
> jason
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 4:28:47 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I know you're also considering other Rivs.  
>>
>> I LOVE my Homer.  I live in the city, where there are poorly paved 
>> streets--trolley tracks and potholes.  For 3 or 4 years, I rode my Joe A. 
>> and was wonderfully happy.  Got a Homer to ride at a second location.  Talk 
>> about sprightly, lively, wonderful  When they both lived at my house 
>> because of Covid, I switched between bikes every ride and when I decided to 
>> get a Platy one of the originals had to leave.  It took a long time to 
>> decide, but I let Joe A go because I'm almost strictly a pavement rider of 
>> about 20 miles +/- each ride.  No single tracks or dirt tracks at all, no 
>> long touring trips, or I would have kept the Joe A.  They are both 
>> wonderful bikes and shine in their respective sweet spot.
>>
>> I really like my Platy, but for light and sprightly riding, the Homer is 
>> it for me!  Platy has a smooth and wonderful ride and it's a step thru!  
>> It's my daily commuting bike through the city and trades off weekend rides 
>> with Homer.
>>
>> The good news is they are all wonderful riding bikes (testing an Atlantis 
>> is what got me hooked, BTW).
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Monday, March 28, 2022 at 11:20:08 AM UTC-4 Graham McCall wrote:
>>
>>> I'm coming from a really short and qucik handling bike- Surly Pack Rat. 
>>> I'm curious in starting over and getting a Home for longer rides that would 
>>> benefit from some less-nervous handling. 
>>>
>>> 58cm is what I'm after, any ride review or insights would be great!
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee Grinder Question

[Mark Schneider]

For me, it was because I lived in an area where I lost power so often 
during the winter. After I bought the little burr grinder I realized it 
made better coffee. But the blade grinders aren't terrible, kind of like 
riding an aluminum Trek from the 90's with 20mm tires pumped to 160psi on a 
washboard road, with drain rock...

On Friday, May 31, 2019 at 8:05:20 AM UTC-7 Mark in Beacon wrote:

> Can someone explain the awesome advantage hand grinders have over my 
> little electric Krupps? I assume it has to do with heat affecting final 
> taste. But has BQ done any testing in this area? Kidding aside, does it 
> matter that much? Or is it mostly just the artisanal aspect? Which is fine, 
> too. 

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[RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Saturday Mark]

Adrianna,
I would submit that this bike is kinda small for you. Most gals 5'5" are 
more of a traditional size 51/52, and would have a longer top tube. The 
closest recent Riv would be the Rambouillet . Check out sizing specs etc on 
it, the 50 and 52 were the 26" wheel also. Grant would have told you to be 
on a 54. 

Possibly you could make it fit, but .something that fits most gals like 
this would end up with saddle pretty high relative to bars. Maybe good for 
road, but not so mush on gravel/dirt.

I think this is a gorgeous frameset and "worth" the money. To get something 
of this caliber made today would be pushing 3K. 

I would bet on the 125mm spacing being a typo, as 125mm was out of style 
for a long time before that. 

my .02 $




On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-7 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want the 
> Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>
> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard to 
> tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>
> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>
> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>
> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>
> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears the 
> frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires would be 
> 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>
> My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, now I 
> am not so sure.
>
> Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
> want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
> about it ;/
>

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Re: [RBW] SON Rear Light Brightness?

[Mark Allen]

Sean, I've got that exact combination. I used the Edelux II headlight with 
a battery powered tail light for a few years after getting the SONdelux 
dynamo because I was a little lazy and didn't want to deal with the wiring. 
Last year I found a good deal on the fender-mounted Son tail light and 
spent about an hour installing it. If you wired and installed the 
headlight, you'll probably find the tail light easier from a 
soldering/electronics perspective. I've been incredibly happy with the 
result, especially the fact that I never have to think about charging 
lights on that bike anymore. I can't tell you exactly how many lumens the 
tail light puts out, but it's definitely "bright enough" to me for normal 
use, although it's not quite as bright as some of the daylight-specific 
flashing lights on the market.

Mark

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 1:16:39 PM UTC-4 Sean B. wrote:

> Hello Mathieu, what seems to be the trouble with them? 
>
> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 12:11:13 PM UTC-5 mathie...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good day Sean,
>>
>> I know that this isn’t the answer to your question but both my local bike 
>> shop and Rivendell stated, this fall (as I built up my own dyno Riv) that 
>> for a lot of people, dyno rear lights might be more trouble than they’re 
>> worth. 
>>
>> I ended up with a Cygolight HotRod, based on recommendation.
>>
>> Nice and bright.
>>
>> Team, please feel free to tell us we’re soft here by only going dyno in 
>> the front…
>>
>> Mathieu Brown
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone.
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Sean B.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I currently have a SONdelux Wide-Body hub with a SON Edelux II headlight 
>> and was wanting to get a taillight as well. Does anyone have experience 
>> with the SON Rear Light? If so, how bright is it and what system are you 
>> using it on? I cant find many reviews online, so thought I'd ask y'all. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
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[RBW] Re: 26.8mm seat post diameter??

[Saturday Mark]

26.8 was just as common as 27.2 back in the 70's and 80's, prior to the now 
more . Riv has done 26.8 on a bunch of the step throughs since way back 
when. 

With that said, 26.8 is probably in short supply right now due to pandemic, 
but...

Nitto makes in crystal fellow and s83
Thomson makes 26.8
Kalloy Uno as well as their Crystal Fellow copy
+ a bunch of private label (Dimension, Sunlite, Origin8... etc) 

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:01:38 PM UTC-6 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Maybe someone can answer this, why in the heck did Rivendell start making 
> the seat tube inside diameter 26.8mm on the new bikes? I believe hearing 
> something about seat tube wall thickness. Don't get me wrong, I think the 
> new Geos make for a better ride, but it's way easier to find posts in 
> 27.2mm all day long. 
>
> Rivendell has the Nitto S83 in that diameter but it's a whopping 300 mm 
> length 50 mm more than I need and also a whopping $128 before tax and 
> shipping.
>
> Rant over n out.
>
> Hugh n LA
>
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[RBW] Re: School me on RH tires for my Sam

[Mark Allen]

Adam, I've had Snoqualmies (in Extra Light, Standard and Endurance casings, 
even!) under VO zeppelin 52 fenders on my Sam Hillborne for a few years 
now. I think the only thing preventing me from completing my bingo card is 
that my Sam is the canti version, not the sidepull. On H+Son Archetype rims 
(17.5 mm inner width), the Snoqualmies measure at 41mm for me and I've got 
10 mm of clearance between the tire and the fender. I've been incredibly 
satisfied with this setup.

Mark
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 10:08:08 PM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very interested in the conversation as I've been tempted by RH tires 
> lately. I'm one year into my Shikoros that came with my Atlantis and I love 
> them...but I'm tempted to try something else when it's time to replace 
> them. The Barlow Pass Endurance casing seems like the play (wish they had 
> an all-road in 42mm as my Shikoros are 42mm).
>
> On the other hand...Soma makes a Supple Vitesse EX in 700x42 for $20 less 
> a tireon the other-other hand, maybe I can't beat Shikoro for urban 
> commuting/crushed limestone trails.
>
> Ben
>
> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 8:36:46 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>
>> It seems like most folks are happy with Barlow Pass & fenders, which is 
>> what I have (with 559s), and that's a great combo. Without fenders I'd go 
>> larger, probably the Snoqualmie Pass unless the Oracle Ridge fits w/o 
>> fenders?
>>
>> I've considered trying to squeeze the Snoqualmies - which are around 40mm 
>> for me too - under VO zepplin 52 fenders. Has anyone tried this? I think 
>> the challenge would be the 559 front brake's squeeze when open, which would 
>> be a non issue on the OP's Racers, I guess? If anyone's successfully done 
>> this, or some other combo of Snoqualmie pass and fenders, I'd like to hear 
>> about it.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 5:14:18 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> My Barlow Pass measure 40mm after several months use, mounted on 22mm 
>>> internal width rims (Light Bicycle AR28 disc rims).
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 14 September 2021 at 6:50:05 am UTC+10 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow Collin, you're getting 41mm on the Barlows?  I get 40mm on the 
>>>> Snoqualmie Pass when mounted on Velocity Dyads and 42mm when mounted on 
>>>> Quills.  The Barlows mounted on Dyads measured 35mm, if I remember 
>>>> correctly.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Need 700x45C recommendations, please

[Mark Allen]

I hate to be that person who recommends the thing you *just* said you don't 
want, but as a not-small person I've had impressively good luck on Rene 
Herse's 700x44 Snoqualmie Pass with the Endurance casing. The combo of the 
tougher casing and wider width (which allowed lower tire pressures) let me 
get nearly 7k miles with only one flat before the rear needed to be 
replaced, where earlier attempts with RH/Compass tires were not nearly as 
successful.

Mark
Toronto
On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 8:04:19 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:

> My early Hillborne fits and rides Schwalbe G-one Allround tires very well, 
> strongly recommended 56cm frame for reference. Also did well with 44mm 
> Snoqualmie Pass tires.
> [image: IMG_5445a.jpg][image: IMG_4510.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Psychic Derailleur

[Mark Allen]

Trade my Sam? Never! I'm pretty sure my next bike will be orange, but the 
tuxedo Sam has turned out to be perfect for me. Then again, those sage Sams 
still look great, and the RBW blue one does too, so really I think the 
lesson here is that there's no "bad" color for a Sam Hillborne.

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 8:18:56 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> I’m liking the orange more and more.  Mine’s a 51 I bet Mark’s is larger.  
>
> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:15 AM, Doug H.  wrote:
>
> Mark and Joel, just trade bikes and you're both happy!
> Doug
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:09:13 PM UTC-4 Mark Allen wrote:
>
>>
>> Ha! I bought my Sam there in the fall of 2019, last one he had, black 
>> although at the time I would have preferred orange. Chris was super helpful 
>> in shipping the frame to Canada.
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:26:06 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> I bought my Sam there last summer, last one he had, orange although at 
>>> the time I would have preferred black.  I did not want to wait for Rivs 
>>> next delivery and no guaranty I would get one.  Great bike, fast shipping 
>>> and good deal.  
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:13:44 AM UTC-4 tsot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you to everyone for all of the kind words, and thank you for 
>>>> watching!!!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:20:02 PM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's where I bought my Rivendell too! Truly the best bike shop in 
>>>>> Indianapolis. He's incredibly knowledgeable, and I too watch his YouTube 
>>>>> channel. 
>>>>> Christine
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:40:55 PM UTC-6 antc...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is very timely for me since I just bought a 57 Appaloosa from 
>>>>>> Chris a few days ago (possibly the last one available anywhere.) I'm a 
>>>>>> long 
>>>>>> time Riv customer but this is my first Riv bike. Maybe we are seeing a 
>>>>>> cultural change in how people use bikes in this country? We can only 
>>>>>> hope I 
>>>>>> guess. I had no idea that Chris has a YouTube channel, I'm looking 
>>>>>> forward 
>>>>>> to seeing what other ideas he has to share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I too subscribe to the Psychic Derailleur channel & find it fun & 
>>>>>>> informative.  In a recent video he thanked his subscribers & said he 
>>>>>>> thinks 
>>>>>>> he has the nicest comments section on youtube.  He's big on practical 
>>>>>>> cycling & reviews bags, bikes, etc.  Puts out a couple of videos a 
>>>>>>> week, 
>>>>>>> usually less than 10 minutes & he stays focused on the topic of the 
>>>>>>> day.  
>>>>>>> Great guy.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dougP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:22:07 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Wiggins has a bike shop in Indianapolis, website and a 
>>>>>>>> YouTube channel, all with the name The Psychic Derailleur.  I'm a big 
>>>>>>>> fan 
>>>>>>>> of his content and his message.  He is a Rivendell dealer and he puts 
>>>>>>>> out 
>>>>>>>> some great content on his YouTube channel.  His latest video is titled 
>>>>>>>> "The 
>>>>>>>> Rise of Rivendell?".  It is worth a look, as are the rest of the 
>>>>>>>> videos on 
>>>>>>>> his channel, IMHO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCwkCgKGnw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
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[RBW] Re: The Psychic Derailleur

[Mark Allen]

Ha! I bought my Sam there in the fall of 2019, last one he had, black 
although at the time I would have preferred orange. Chris was super helpful 
in shipping the frame to Canada.
On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 11:26:06 AM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> I bought my Sam there last summer, last one he had, orange although at the 
> time I would have preferred black.  I did not want to wait for Rivs next 
> delivery and no guaranty I would get one.  Great bike, fast shipping and 
> good deal.  
>
> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:13:44 AM UTC-4 tsot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you to everyone for all of the kind words, and thank you for 
>> watching!!!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 4:20:02 PM UTC-4 ezre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That's where I bought my Rivendell too! Truly the best bike shop in 
>>> Indianapolis. He's incredibly knowledgeable, and I too watch his YouTube 
>>> channel. 
>>> Christine
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:40:55 PM UTC-6 antc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 This is very timely for me since I just bought a 57 Appaloosa from 
 Chris a few days ago (possibly the last one available anywhere.) I'm a 
 long 
 time Riv customer but this is my first Riv bike. Maybe we are seeing a 
 cultural change in how people use bikes in this country? We can only hope 
 I 
 guess. I had no idea that Chris has a YouTube channel, I'm looking forward 
 to seeing what other ideas he has to share.


 On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> I too subscribe to the Psychic Derailleur channel & find it fun & 
> informative.  In a recent video he thanked his subscribers & said he 
> thinks 
> he has the nicest comments section on youtube.  He's big on practical 
> cycling & reviews bags, bikes, etc.  Puts out a couple of videos a week, 
> usually less than 10 minutes & he stays focused on the topic of the day.  
> Great guy.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:22:07 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Chris Wiggins has a bike shop in Indianapolis, website and a YouTube 
>> channel, all with the name The Psychic Derailleur.  I'm a big fan of his 
>> content and his message.  He is a Rivendell dealer and he puts out some 
>> great content on his YouTube channel.  His latest video is titled "The 
>> Rise 
>> of Rivendell?".  It is worth a look, as are the rest of the videos on 
>> his 
>> channel, IMHO.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCwkCgKGnw
>>
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Saturday Mark]

Thats a pretty fat tire for a Dyad. I would submit that your usage case is 
probably different than a lot here, so this is a bunch of speculating. 

I assume you aren't running tubeless?
That narrow of a rim usually calls for higher tire pressure to prevent tire 
from rolling off.
The answer: (RH tires + your load * rim width subtracted from tubeless 
equation/riding surface+ knobs per sq inch = your ideal pressure)  
I have never heard anything but good reports on the RH knobbies, so I would 
think there is a sweet spot somewhere, where is Jan?


On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:

> I have Antelope Hills with the light casing on my Appaloosa, and haven't 
> noticed any steering oddities/problems. I run them at 25psi front 35psi 
> rear, but I only weigh ~145lbs. If you weigh 380, I'd suggest try raising 
> the pressure a bit - say 55psi.
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Converting 650b Hilsen to Rene Herse 42/26 cranks

[Mark Allen]

I made a very similar switch from a 46-36-26 Sugino to a 42-26 White 
Industries VBC, both with an 11-34 9 speed cassette. It's been a great move 
– I don't miss the few high gears I lost, I still have plenty of really low 
gears for loaded climbing, and shifting is a bit simpler. The bottom 
bracket spindle length with the Sugino triple was 118mm long, and the White 
Industries support docs suggested a 113mm length was ideal for that 
crankset so I swapped those out, although the dark art of chainlines is a 
bit of a mystery to me so I don't know if keeping the 118mm would have had 
any adverse effects. I kept the front triple derailleur which worked fine 
with friction shifting after adjusting the limit screws. I've since moved 
to a 10 speed 11-34 cassette just because it was what I could find when I 
needed to replace it late last year, but everything still works flawlessly.

Mark
On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 5:50:56 PM UTC-4 Doug Williams wrote:

> Thanks very much, Patrick! As usual, very helpful.
>
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 4:30:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Doug: There are all sorts of reasons to buy the RH crank, foremost among 
>> which is its beauty. But if you want a cheaper, more utilitarian way to get 
>> the same result, consider converting the homely Sugino by removing the 46 
>> and replacing it with a guard (https://bbgbashguard.com), swapping the 
>> 36 for a 42, and considering whether you need to swap the 24 for a 26; but 
>> if you decide that you do, this is easy. 
>>
>> Then you can hold an interior debate about the cogs you need to change in 
>> the rear.
>>
>> The *upshot* is that you can leave the bb spindle and even the front 
>> derailleur strictly alone. 
>>
>> Some years ago I changed the 46-36-24 on my Fargo, long since sold, to a 
>> BBBashGuard/38/24 on the same Sugino XD2. I swapped the 7 cogs on the 
>> Shimano LX freehub for 9 different ones; IIRC, I simply bought 9-sp spacers 
>> and built a cassette from the cogs in my Big Box.
>>
>> Note this carefully: I *did not* change the bb assembly, I kept the same 
>> LX triple front derailleur, *and I didn't even** lower the front 
>> derailleur.* I simply adjusted the fd outer throw adjustment screw. 
>>
>> It all worked fine. Again, I did not lower the fd; just left it hanging 
>> with a huge gap over the outer, formerly middle, ring.
>>
>> But once again, the RH crank is indeed very pretty, and I am tempted to 
>> buy one myself simply for prettiness.
>>
>> Oh,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 1:53 PM Doug Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 58cm 650b A. Homer Hilsen that I purchased from Riv in 2014. I 
>>> have been loving it ever since! It has the Sugino Triple Crank 46-36-24 and 
>>> I run it all friction shifting with bar end silvers, 8 speed with a 11-32 
>>> cassette. The front derailer is Shimano Claris Triple. The bottom bracket 
>>> is  bbc110.
>>>
>>> So...I'm getting older and I notice I don't use the 46 ring much, at 
>>> least not with the higher gears in the back. I am definitely an "UnRacer" 
>>> anyway. I am thinking of getting the Rene Herse double cranks with 42-26 
>>> rings. If I go with the 8 speed megarange 11-34 cassette in the back, I 
>>> would give up almost nothing in the lower gears and lose just some high 
>>> gears that I rarely use anyway. So two questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Is my bottom bracket compatible with the Rene Herse cranks? I think 
>>> so, but I'm not sure. Would now be a good time to replace it anyway?
>>>
>>> 2. Should I just keep my Claris triple FD and crank in the limit screw 
>>> or go with something like the Shimano CX70 or some other double FD that 
>>> works well with compact 42-26 rings?
>>>
>>> Any other comments or suggestions would be welcome.
>>>
>>> Doug
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[RBW] Re: Salt Lake City Cycling Question

[Mark Anderson]

Brady,

First off, welcome to the neighborhood. I hope you and yours will like 
living here.

I suppose my experience since moving here a couple years ago is similar to 
that of Jay, Glen and Robert in that I rarely have trouble with goatheads 
in the Wasatch bench/front/up-on-the-hill areas and mostly encounter them 
down in the valley especially through the corridor along Jordan River Trail 
and connecting trails like the Denver & Rio Grande Western Trail going 
north towards Ogden.  However, I would note that most of Salt Lake City, 
its metro area and associated business/government/cultural services (e.g., 
breweries, bowling alleys, the Bicycle Collective, most but not all of the 
better Asian takeout food) are in the very same valley where all the 
goatheads lie.  That is also where I live and do much of my riding and I 
get lots of goat head punctures.

Regarding armored tires, my partner's 'round-town bike has Schwalbe 
Marathon green guard (MGG) tires and hasn't had any flats, but it also 
hasn't been ridden a heck of a lot. The MGGs are heavy, stiff and basically 
just so damn thick along the tread that thorns can't reach all the way 
through to the tube. My trike came with Schwalbe Marathon Racers which have 
a nylon fabric belt under the tread.  Thorns go through the belt pretty 
regularly, and the local thorns are long enough to get picked up in the 
sidewalls above the narrow belt.  A Shikoro might fare better, but I recall 
various kevlar tires getting punctured by thorns in my distant youth in 
northern California as well.  

My solution on the trike has been to use lightweight tires (Tioga 
Powerblock/Powerband S-Spec and Compass in ca. 40mm widths)  with inner 
tubes containing Orange Seal---a solution cribbed from Patrick Moore's 
posts on this list and on iBOB (thank you Patrick!).  With this setup I 
occasionally have a puncture which noticeably leaks sealant for several 
minutes and requires a few stops to add air as it leaks slowly before 
finally sealing.  In the past year (9 mo. riding, about 4500 mi. on the 
odometer) there have been two or three times when I had a puncture that 
wouldn't seal enough while riding and I had to change tubes.  Inspecting 
the tires and tubes at those times shows that dozens of punctures went 
unnoticed in that same period.  Unfortunately that meant having to put a 
new tube into a tire the still had a score or so of thorns still sticking 
through it, which is about as much fun as it sounds.  A few times I have 
gone out to the shed and found that a tire has gone flat overnight with all 
the sealant having leaked out between tube and tire through some hole 
making a big old mess.

I have not tried a tubeless setup yet.  Maybe after my current tires wear 
out, though I don't know that any of my current rims are 
tubeless-compatible.  My suspicion is that at least some of the poor 
sealing with tubes is due to the hole is the tube becoming misaligned with 
the hole in the tire, preventing the sealant from spitting out nicely and 
drying to form a plug.  Also, I find that some of the seals or plugs in the 
tube can be pulled open upon removing the tube from the tire or even just 
on fully deflating a tire so that the tube pulls away from the casing.  I 
imagine a tubeless setup could fix both of those problems. 

I have observed that most of the thorns I pull out of my tires, at least 
away from the very center, are stuck in grooves/holes/corners of the tread 
pattern as though the thorn tip was sliding away until grabbed by the shape 
of the tread.  Thus I suspect that slick tires may fare better w.r.t. 
thorns.

In short, goatheads can be a real scourge around here if you like to 
explore the low-lying (4500--5000 ft.) areas, but sealant in tubes can 
largely solve the problem. In addition, I think that using full-sized tubes 
(i.e., ones that need not stretch much to fill the tire) improves things 
further by helping to keep the tube and tire holes aligned, and that slick 
tread (e.g., as on your current tires) will help even more by avoiding some 
punctures in the first place.

Mark in Salt Lake City, Utah

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:03:52 AM UTC-7 Robert Hakim wrote:

> I'll echo the others- I only find goatheads a real issue in the central 
> and western parts of the valley, particularly along the Jordan River Trail 
> corridor. Most of the cycling on Wasatch Blvd and up into the canyons you 
> won't have much of an issue with them, thought they do appear occasionally. 
> I never found any near Park City. Good luck with the move! 
>
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 9:11:24 AM UTC-5 Glen wrote:
>
>> The only area I am aware of that goat heads are an issue is one section 
>> of the main north/south multi purpose trail (Jordan River Trail) and SLCo 
>> has an active eradication program. The trail is usually very clear of them 
>> but the shoulders can trap them in the cinders/gravel. Your curre

[RBW] Re: Birthday Bike Build and Campout

['mark etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Too bad your Birthday is in February, that looks pretty cold.

I owe on my taxes this year, I hope that doesn't mean I have to give up a 
bike.

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 10:31:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> This story was a lot of fun to read. I can’t believe you were out there in 
> the snow in your Crocs with plastic bags around your feet. Also, your 
> friends are a blend of crazy and awesome. I’ve never bike camped (I’ve 
> never been the camping sort) but I almost want to after reading about how 
> magical it was to drink coffee in the morning mist.
>
> Happy birthday! (Mine was the 26th - cheers!)
> Leah 
>
> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 4:22:46 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:21:35 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 6:18:45 PM UTC-6 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> And now for some pictures...
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: question re frame-paint damage

[Mark Roland]

Just rub it a bit with some 00 steel wool and dab it with what you said, or 
some primer or what have you. It will be fine, don't sweat it. I usually 
wrap a slice of old inner tube where the clamp goes. And make sure no edge 
is biting down, that the pressure is evenly distributed. 
On Sunday, February 28, 2021 at 7:40:35 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> So I did a dumb thing. I added a kick stand to a bike without a kickstand 
> plate. And it messed up the paint real bad. It also slightly dented the 
> frame. Really dumb.
>
> My question, and thanks in advance for any information. What should I do 
> to prevent this from rusting? Blue nail polish? Clear enamel? I can't undo 
> what I did, but I'd like to keep it from getting worse.
>
> [image: frame picture.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Building a Sam Hillborne

[Mark Allen]

I built up my Sam with Noodle drop bar, fairly wide 2x10 gearing with 
friction bar end shifting, and big 44mm tires. It's handled any conditions 
I've come across in the Toronto / southern Ontario area so well that I 
barely touched my other bikes last year. City riding, country roads, dirt 
roads, gravel, even some mild single track underbiking - it's just been a 
delight.

But I really wish I hadn't seen your parts list, because the only thing 
stopping me from starting half a dozen projects floating around my head is 
the covid bike part shortage. To know that such a stockpile exists locally 
is dangerous!

Mark
Toronto

On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> You ask how to build up a bike, and as others have mentioned there are 
> many "good" ways to build up a bike and I'd argue there are almost no "bad" 
> ways to build a bike, as long as it works (exaggerating a bit, but you get 
> my point)! You have loads of parts, so really it seems like you could build 
> up just about anything.
>
> A few questions to get your mental gears turning:
> 1. Do you want it to be like your other bikes or something different (to 
> take advantage of building from the ground up)?
> 2. Whats the typical ride going to be for the bike? Fully loaded on rough 
> trails, smooth pavement and a days worth of food, or somewhere in between?
> 3. Are there any items you MUST include? I ask because sometimes you have 
> a really nice pair of _ that you want to use (and you seem to have TONS 
> of parts...).
>
> Personally, I recently converted my Joe to a dirt-drop bar slick 650x50 
> bike and LOVE it. 2x9 with friction bar ends are quite fun, but can't say 
> they are any better than my 2x11 STI on my 700x38 gravel bike, or the 1x11 
> flat bar setup that was on it before. They are all fun and all worth trying 
> in my opinion. 
>
> Good luck!
> Collin in Sacramento
>
> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 11:25:22 AM UTC-8 lug...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have acquired a Sam Hillborne frame. 
>> Maybe it's been the long winter. I don't know what. 
>> But I am stumped as to how to build it up. (I am ashamed now to realize 
>> that while I have owned dozens of bikes, almost all have been completes. I 
>> have rarely built one up from a bare frame.)
>> Worse (or maybe Better) I have a big collection of spare parts to choose 
>> from everything from 6S downtube to 9S speed click shifting, Campagnolo and 
>> Shimano. I have about 35-50 of each bit - BB, FD, RD, shifters, cranks
>>
>> Some advice could be helpful.
>> I'll post my spreadsheet here in case anyone wants to look (BTW 
>> everything is for sale too. but that's not the point of this post, really. 
>> It's more that people can only guide me if they know what my choices are)
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/2vhm38sn
>>
>> Barend shifters or handlebar mounter STI/Ergo "Click" shifters?
>> Compact double or a Triple crankset.? (my riding will be mostly paved 
>> country roads, maybe some packed gravel, not overly hilly.)
>> Drop bars (I have TONS of drop bars) or moustache bars (I don't have any 
>> really)? I generally prefer drop bars for all riding situations.
>>
>> Anyway, rather than wandering aimlessly around in the garage randomly 
>> plucking parts from my bins, I'm all ears for a more coherent approach.
>>
>> Peter Stock
>> Toronto Canada 
>>
>> [image: 59X59 Rivendell Sam Hillborne FULL.JPG]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Mark Roland]

Rivendell used to do presales, not so much with bicycles any more. I would 
imagine there may have been some issues for the company to do 
presales--maybe too many people backing out? Who knows, but  a lot of small 
batch companies are doing it this way, from bag makers to niche 
manufacturers like Crust and Black Mountain Cycles. So it's probably the 
fairest way and maybe the only way they can do it and still remain viable. 
And if they are not viable, nobody gets one. Frustrating, but they do give 
a decent heads-up, better than scheduling an appointment with the cable guy.

On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 7:17:11 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> I would have plunked down a deposit last fall for one of these, but if I’m 
> not in front of my computer for the right hour next month I may miss 
> grabbing the inventory they ordered.  That also seems wrong. There are 
> technology mechanisms like Kickstarter and pre-Sales that are designed for 
> this purpose.
>
> On Tuesday, February 23, 2021 at 1:08:37 AM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> As a product person - it's wild that Blue Lug is getting these frames and 
>> releasing them into the wild before Riv has a chance to. I know how laissez 
>> faire Grant is and all, but still wild. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Susie/Wolbis, medium, blue

[Mark Roland]

Hi Doug, I think you will see from my latest response I have disengaged. I 
stand by my initial response pointing out the inappropriateness here. 
On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 9:03:06 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Mark,
> He wanted an argument so best not to engage.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 7:51:43 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I didn't realize it was just a tool for screening potential buyers 
>> so your bike can find a good home among the righteous. My bad! Good luck 
>> with the sale, Sal! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 12:20:37 AM UTC-5 Sal wrote:
>>
>>> I'd just like to sell my bike to someone who's not a racist asshole, 
>>> Mark. If that goes against the rules of this white men's club I'm sure the 
>>> moderators will delete my thread. I don't care what people who enforce the 
>>> law ride or read, and I'm not concerned with being perceived as friendly. 
>>> I'm sure your existence is generally apolitical because the world already 
>>> suits you just fine, but I don't see how that's relevant to the sale of 
>>> this bicycle. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 8:31:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> Disappointed to see what strikes me as inserting a political statement, 
>>>> under whatever guise. And now further banter and a link for where to buy? 
>>>> That seems not a great idea for this forum. Just for starters, do you 
>>>> think 
>>>> people in law enforcement ride Rivendells or read this forum? If so, which 
>>>> would your advocacy for hate fall under: respectful, supportive, or 
>>>> friendly? I'm sure you are committed to your cause, but I don't see why 
>>>> it's necessary to express it here.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 5:17:19 PM UTC-5 Sal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Very lightly used medium Wolbis in RBW blue. As shown minus wheel set 
>>>>> and crankset/pedals for $2600 plus shipping. It would be nice to sell it 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> described as a near-complete bicycle, but I'll go to the trouble of 
>>>>> parting 
>>>>> it out if you want to pay $1800 for frame/fork/headset, or $2175 for 
>>>>> frame/fork/headset/brakes. Not currently interested in selling individual 
>>>>> components and not open to trades. I'm not in the habit of accepting 
>>>>> goods 
>>>>> as payment but I made an exception for this bike. I love it, obviously, 
>>>>> but 
>>>>> I want it to turn into money now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Components include XTR M960 rd, suntour power ratchet shifter, custom 
>>>>> Paul Motolites (gold drive side, blue non drive side, alternating green 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> pink adjusters), tosco bull moose bars (on an adapter). The saddle in the 
>>>>> photo is a titanium-railed B-17 that's been sewn together for tightness 
>>>>> though the leather is still nice and firm. It's included in the whole 
>>>>> package if you want it. This is a very lightly used bicycle that will 
>>>>> feel 
>>>>> almost new to you. It has one small paint chip (email for pics) and one 
>>>>> sticker that says "all my friends hate cops" over the NDS chainstay 
>>>>> graphics. If that offends you you'll have to remove it yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Located in Portland, OR... once the ice melts I can deliver locally. 
>>>>> Open to shipping (through bike shop or in original frame box depending on 
>>>>> the configuration purchased)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please email directly if seriously interested for more info/pictures.
>>>>> [image: wolbis-9407.jpg]
>>>>> [image: wolbis-9389.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Susie/Wolbis, medium, blue

[Mark Roland]

Sorry, I didn't realize it was just a tool for screening potential buyers 
so your bike can find a good home among the righteous. My bad! Good luck 
with the sale, Sal! 

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 12:20:37 AM UTC-5 Sal wrote:

> I'd just like to sell my bike to someone who's not a racist asshole, Mark. 
> If that goes against the rules of this white men's club I'm sure the 
> moderators will delete my thread. I don't care what people who enforce the 
> law ride or read, and I'm not concerned with being perceived as friendly. 
> I'm sure your existence is generally apolitical because the world already 
> suits you just fine, but I don't see how that's relevant to the sale of 
> this bicycle. 
>
> On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 8:31:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Disappointed to see what strikes me as inserting a political statement, 
>> under whatever guise. And now further banter and a link for where to buy? 
>> That seems not a great idea for this forum. Just for starters, do you think 
>> people in law enforcement ride Rivendells or read this forum? If so, which 
>> would your advocacy for hate fall under: respectful, supportive, or 
>> friendly? I'm sure you are committed to your cause, but I don't see why 
>> it's necessary to express it here.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 5:17:19 PM UTC-5 Sal wrote:
>>
>>> Very lightly used medium Wolbis in RBW blue. As shown minus wheel set 
>>> and crankset/pedals for $2600 plus shipping. It would be nice to sell it as 
>>> described as a near-complete bicycle, but I'll go to the trouble of parting 
>>> it out if you want to pay $1800 for frame/fork/headset, or $2175 for 
>>> frame/fork/headset/brakes. Not currently interested in selling individual 
>>> components and not open to trades. I'm not in the habit of accepting goods 
>>> as payment but I made an exception for this bike. I love it, obviously, but 
>>> I want it to turn into money now.
>>>
>>> Components include XTR M960 rd, suntour power ratchet shifter, custom 
>>> Paul Motolites (gold drive side, blue non drive side, alternating green and 
>>> pink adjusters), tosco bull moose bars (on an adapter). The saddle in the 
>>> photo is a titanium-railed B-17 that's been sewn together for tightness 
>>> though the leather is still nice and firm. It's included in the whole 
>>> package if you want it. This is a very lightly used bicycle that will feel 
>>> almost new to you. It has one small paint chip (email for pics) and one 
>>> sticker that says "all my friends hate cops" over the NDS chainstay 
>>> graphics. If that offends you you'll have to remove it yourself.
>>>
>>> Located in Portland, OR... once the ice melts I can deliver locally. 
>>> Open to shipping (through bike shop or in original frame box depending on 
>>> the configuration purchased)
>>>
>>> Please email directly if seriously interested for more info/pictures.
>>> [image: wolbis-9407.jpg]
>>> [image: wolbis-9389.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Susie/Wolbis, medium, blue

[Mark Roland]

Disappointed to see what strikes me as inserting a political statement, 
under whatever guise. And now further banter and a link for where to buy? 
That seems not a great idea for this forum. Just for starters, do you think 
people in law enforcement ride Rivendells or read this forum? If so, which 
would your advocacy for hate fall under: respectful, supportive, or 
friendly? I'm sure you are committed to your cause, but I don't see why 
it's necessary to express it here.

On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 5:17:19 PM UTC-5 Sal wrote:

> Very lightly used medium Wolbis in RBW blue. As shown minus wheel set and 
> crankset/pedals for $2600 plus shipping. It would be nice to sell it as 
> described as a near-complete bicycle, but I'll go to the trouble of parting 
> it out if you want to pay $1800 for frame/fork/headset, or $2175 for 
> frame/fork/headset/brakes. Not currently interested in selling individual 
> components and not open to trades. I'm not in the habit of accepting goods 
> as payment but I made an exception for this bike. I love it, obviously, but 
> I want it to turn into money now.
>
> Components include XTR M960 rd, suntour power ratchet shifter, custom Paul 
> Motolites (gold drive side, blue non drive side, alternating green and pink 
> adjusters), tosco bull moose bars (on an adapter). The saddle in the photo 
> is a titanium-railed B-17 that's been sewn together for tightness though 
> the leather is still nice and firm. It's included in the whole package if 
> you want it. This is a very lightly used bicycle that will feel almost new 
> to you. It has one small paint chip (email for pics) and one sticker that 
> says "all my friends hate cops" over the NDS chainstay graphics. If that 
> offends you you'll have to remove it yourself.
>
> Located in Portland, OR... once the ice melts I can deliver locally. Open 
> to shipping (through bike shop or in original frame box depending on the 
> configuration purchased)
>
> Please email directly if seriously interested for more info/pictures.
> [image: wolbis-9407.jpg]
> [image: wolbis-9389.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Here is a frame I purchased from Brodie Bicycles and the color was stated as "sea foam green". The color would be light blue to the eye but it would take on a greenish tint in the bright

[Mark Roland]

It's somewhere in here:

[image: sea foam green.JPG]

On Sunday, February 14, 2021 at 5:47:25 AM UTC-5 Addison wrote:

> I always think of sea foam green as coming from the guitar world.  Is it 
> green or blue?  :) 
>
>
> https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/StratV50SFG--fender-vintera-50s-stratocaster-sea-foam-green
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Portfolio and Blog 
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:10 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> And it's even worse for me because I'm a little colorblind with the 
>> blue-ish greens and green-ish blues. If I owned that bike and someone asked 
>> me if it was blue or green the answer would be SURE! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 5:44:23 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Agree with others that the "blue silver" is as green as it is blue. It 
>>> lands squarely between the two, to my eyes - and I LOVE it. I'm actually 
>>> kind of interested in it as an option if I ever paint the Bombadil (due to 
>>> corrosion concerns) 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Mark Roland]

I believe "mermaid" and my aforementioned "sea foam green" are in fact the 
*exact 
same identical color*!
Whatever that may be.
On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 4:21:10 PM UTC-5 antc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Will called attention to the fact that the new "bilver" looked green to 
> his eye. He said one of the other staffers (I forget who) called it 
> mermaid, which seems more appropriate to me. I am basing my judgment on the 
> color samples from the email and Platypus page. The lighting is definitely 
> not great in those Bluelug pics.
>
> Anthony
> St Louis
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 10:25 PM Mark Roland  wrote:
>
>> It can be hard to judge from a non-product photo on the internet, but it 
>> does have a green cast to my eye. Almost looks like my circa 1969 Rollfast 
>> stingray, which I've always thought of as sea foam green 
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=sea+foam+green=firefox-b-1-d=ALeKk0163a1ivhakHA3KcoBApbCoa1khsw:1613190148721=lnms=isch=X=2ahUKEwjS05POgebuAhVwM1kFHW-NApgQ_AUoAXoECAkQAw=1034=485>.
>>  
>> Which apparently covers a broad palette. It's in there somewhere
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:17:54 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> No, I see silvery blue in that second pic. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green and 
>>> GREEN. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
>>>>> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
>>>>> qualify as stealing )."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
>>>>>> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t 
>>>>>> make 
>>>>>> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
>>>>>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
>>>>>> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell 
>>>>>> in love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
>>>>>> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
>>>>>> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode 
>>>>>> coast 
>>>>>> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s 
>>>>>> size, 
>>>>>> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks 
>>>>>> this 
>>>>>> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
>>>>>> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says 
>>>>>> it’s 
>>>>>> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s 
>>>>>> getting 
>>>>>> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with 
>>>>>> her 
>>>>>> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
>>>>>> Rivs, so what a gift.
>>>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today ther

[RBW] Re: My Rambouillet Build

[Mark Roland]

I will add my kudos--beautiful bicycle, great job with the build. Any other 
bike would have been upstaged by that lovely antique workbench. I've bought 
and sold a few in my day. There is something about how they show the 
history of use through every cut, gouge & stain.  May your Rambouillet 
develop the same fantastic beausage and patina over the years!
On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 7:21:02 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> Fantastic build Ben, can't go wrong with a Rambouillet. I've got mine 
> since a new complete bike build and it has morphed to Pauls racers, French 
> derailleurs and 700c x 32 Stampede Pass under some nice wide hammered 
> Honjos.  A subtle twenty year evolution.
>
> I use SunTour AccuShift bar end shifters, Mavic rear derailleur with a 
> WolfTooth RoadLink to extend the max tooth count with a wide (46-34t) 
> double on a shorter SKF BB shifted by a Mavic FD.  Remaining OEM parts: 
> Nitto bar and stem, Ultegra cartridge HS, Nitto seatpost, Brooks 
> professional (with care, it is still in shape) TA Zephyr triple crank with 
> inner using bolts & removable spacers to become a double. It's just a 
> natural and takes on riding well beyond the its current specs would lead 
> you believe. It's been ridden across the country, on singletrack, grassy 
> fields, trails, broken roadways of the local post industrial urban 
> environment. Those can be anything from asphalt and concrete to brick, 
> stone block and one short wooden paver street. Been down the GAP and back 
> several times. I just held off transitioning to 650B and generator hub 
> lights because while an unusual under square (top tube shorter than seat 
> tube) production frame, I really need even a bit shorter optimally, so I 
> held my big $ for a bespoke frame. 
>
> You're on the way to perfection with your build. You will get called out 
> in public by random folks who appreciate that bike to the quiet consternation 
> of 
> the proximate cyclists on newer, more exotic, pricier bikes. During Bike 
> New York's Five Boro Ride My wife wondered if I knew the all people calling 
> out my bike and its fit for me and could I make them stop doing it since it 
> was upsetting riders around us. 
>
> Enjoy the return to better health, riding and that beauty![image: 
> 20160619_150538.jpg] 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:31:58 PM UTC-5 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Hello Fellow RBW Owners,
>>
>> Wanted to do a little update on my Rambouillet build in progress, now 
>> that it is actually taking form.
>>
>> First, a little bit of background. I've been lucky enough to have built 
>> up four (4!) Riv bikes already, but this is really shaping up to be a truly 
>> unique one for me. This Ram’s story started (for me) way back in late 2017 
>> with me purchasing it off fellow list member Keith as a F/F/HS. 
>> Unfortunately a number of not so great life events happened shortly after 
>> that, including fracturing my leg, taking me off the bike for nearly 6 
>> months. The frame moved with me down a new path in life, but mostly 
>> collected dust in my garage. Not forgotten or abandoned, but definitely a 
>> bit lonely while I worked on 2 more bikes that were more recently acquired. 
>> During this time I quietly acquired used parts and ideas that eventually 
>> coalesced into a build for the Rambouillet.
>>
>> The Ram frame itself is 64 cm painted with a beautiful sage green with a 
>> bit of pearl iridescent to it. It has a couple of small paint chips on the 
>> non-drive side seatstay, but otherwise in pristine condition. It was 
>> included with a Tange headset.
>>
>> Previous Rivendell builds had mostly involved me purchasing brand new 
>> components (not having a large parts bin to work off of), I think these 
>> builds were still fun and interesting, but really been driven by new or 
>> recent bike component technology. My vision for the Ram build is really to 
>> focus on used/vintage/NOS stock parts as much as possible, but also fun and 
>> practical to me. I know, not a revolutionary design principle, but this is 
>> my first time executing it.
>>
>> The heart of this began around the idea of setting it up as a DT friction 
>> shifting using a vintage Huret Duopar Eco I got off eBay. The Duopar was 
>> originally introduced in 1975 with the Eco being released in 1981. These 40 
>> year old derailleurs were originally intended for 6 speed freewheel, but 
>> through the magic of friction shifting and a little finessing, seem to work 
>> just fine with a 9 speed cassette. The big thing about the Duopar is it was 
>> one of first (perhaps the first?) derailluer to handle up to a 36t cog and 
>> 40 teeth of chainwrap. My understanding is that these RD’s are slightly 
>> controversial in terms of either loving or hating them (lots is said about 
>> their maintenance issues), but part of this was trying to find out for 
>> myself. As I am just starting to learn about these derailleurs, it’d be 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Mark Roland]

I see "Only available in stores" on that screen shot. So all the dealers 
now have the Platypus? Do we yet know when Rivendell will release their 
cache other than "late February?" (I am guessing they will be gone within 
the hour).

On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 7:39:44 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I wrote “getting the mermaid blue but love the green”
>
> Joe, 
>
> I should have written “love and getting the mermaid blue. Love the green, 
> too.”  
>
> I already ordered my bike from Analog Cycles, but even I didn’t and had to 
> choose today, I’d still choose the Mermaid blue. It’s lovely!!! Rivendell 
> chooses colors well. 
>
> Roberta 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 13, 2021 at 1:00:29 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Roberta, 
>>
>> That mermaid blue is so pretty! As I alluded to in my "chameleon" comment 
>> the first couple pics I saw seemed green, then the last ones Leah posted 
>> definitely show the blue. I'll bet it's going to keep color-shifting in the 
>> sun like her Raspberry Metallic Platy does and will be *spectacular. *I 
>> can't wait to see it!
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 9:27:25 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Both colors are nice, but that green is special! Mark, that green would 
>>> look right at home with your other colorful bikes.
>>> Roberta (getting the mermaid blue but love the green )
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:25:20 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> It can be hard to judge from a non-product photo on the internet, but 
>>>> it does have a green cast to my eye. Almost looks like my circa 1969 
>>>> Rollfast stingray, which I've always thought of as sea foam green 
>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=sea+foam+green=firefox-b-1-d=ALeKk0163a1ivhakHA3KcoBApbCoa1khsw:1613190148721=lnms=isch=X=2ahUKEwjS05POgebuAhVwM1kFHW-NApgQ_AUoAXoECAkQAw=1034=485>.
>>>>  
>>>> Which apparently covers a broad palette. It's in there somewhere
>>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:17:54 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, I see silvery blue in that second pic. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green 
>>>>> and GREEN. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she 
>>>>>>> had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow 
>>>>>>> does 
>>>>>>> not qualify as stealing )."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle 
>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for 
>>>>>>>> their Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that 
>>>>>>>> doesn’t 
>>>>>>>> make you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
>>>>>>>> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom 
>>>>>>>> fell in love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s 
>>>>>>>> next-door neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Mark Roland]

It can be hard to judge from a non-product photo on the internet, but it 
does have a green cast to my eye. Almost looks like my circa 1969 Rollfast 
stingray, which I've always thought of as sea foam green 
.
 
Which apparently covers a broad palette. It's in there somewhere
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 11:17:54 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> No, I see silvery blue in that second pic. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 12, 2021, at 8:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> So this is the silvery blue? They both look green to me. Like green and 
> GREEN. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:57:58 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
>>> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
>>> qualify as stealing )."
>>>
>>>
>>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
 Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
 you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
 grammar in that sentence, woah...) 

 Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
 really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
 love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
 neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
 bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
 to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s 
 size, 
 and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
 fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
 (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
 that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
 the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
 the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with 
 her 
 for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
 Rivs, so what a gift.
 https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021

 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from 
> Will. No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when 
> they go live! I think they’ll be gone.
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
>> obsolete
>>
>> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
>>> running a bit slow.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>>
 I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine 
 Mermaid Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as 
 BBDD, 
 it will be my retirement bike.

 I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
 they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
 blue 
 wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
 spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 
 drive 
 train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
 pair 
 of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then 
 I 
 have Albatross.

 If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
 time in Vermont.  

 I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
 built up bikes!

 Roberta

 On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle 
 Ding Ding! wrote:

> I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, 
> do you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?

Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Mark Roland]

Legnano green. Yeah, amazing is right. I. Do. Not. Need. This. Bike. But 
maybe I should get it for when my son gets older...

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 10:57:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> WOW. That looks amazing!!! 㮝
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 7:30:20 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m thinking this is the lime-olive...
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> "When Mom left for a couple weeks this fall, Linda confessed she had 
>> taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it (in ND this somehow does not 
>> qualify as stealing )."
>>
>>
>> I love this part of the story. The North is a different world!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that Rivendell wrote up a new product description for their 
>>> Platypus. “...the most beautiful bike in our line” - if that doesn’t make 
>>> you want to buy one, I just don’t know what will. (Also, I winged the 
>>> grammar in that sentence, woah...) 
>>>
>>> Small town North Dakota doesn’t know about Rivendell. Or any bikes, 
>>> really. When my parents visited Rivendell with me in 2018, Mom fell in 
>>> love with a light sage Cheviot, so she bought it. Mom’s next-door 
>>> neighbors just happen to be bike people, but they don’t presently own 
>>> bikes. They are about my parents’ age, early 60s and they once rode coast 
>>> to coast, a trip they remember fondly. Mom’s Chev was exactly Linda’s size, 
>>> and Linda tried it out and loved it. When Mom left for a couple weeks this 
>>> fall, Linda confessed she had taken the Cheviot and had been out riding it 
>>> (in ND this somehow does not qualify as stealing ). She fell hard for 
>>> that little Chev, and as a result, she’s getting a Platypus. She says it’s 
>>> the first time she’s been excited about a bike in 30 years! She’s getting 
>>> the blue. What a thrill it will be to show up this summer and pose with her 
>>> for pics of our Platys. I know so few people in my “real life” who have 
>>> Rivs, so what a gift.
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-platypus-2021
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:00:33 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Today there was mention of the Platys in the email newsletter from 
 Will. No pre-order for the Platys, just for the Sams. Hurry, hurry when 
 they go live! I think they’ll be gone.
 Leah

 On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 1:21:24 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> Apologies, my membership took a while to clear so my previous post is 
> obsolete
>
> Jared, patiently waiting for late February, in Santa Cruz
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:53:56 AM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> I heard rumors of early February, holidays got the supply chain 
>> running a bit slow.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 4:28:15 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I"m disappointed, but not surprised.  I'm hoping to get mine Mermaid 
>>> Blue by springtime in the east, and if I love it as much as BBDD, it 
>>> will 
>>> be my retirement bike.
>>>
>>> I'm working out the last details with Analog Cycles this week, so 
>>> they can start ordering parts.  The plan is already-anodized pops of 
>>> blue 
>>> wherever we can (dyno light, nipples, caps, perhaps ring bolts, head 
>>> spacers, whatever I can get).  Parts will be mostly silver.  1x11 drive 
>>> train.  Tubeless with Gravel King tires (I forget model).  I bought a 
>>> pair 
>>> of Losco bars from Joe and if they don't rise high enough for me, then 
>>> I 
>>> have Albatross.
>>>
>>> If we work it right, parts and frame will get there around the same 
>>> time in Vermont.  
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to hearing what you're planning and to see the 
>>> built up bikes!
>>>
>>> Roberta
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 20, 2021 at 6:35:52 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle 
>>> Ding Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I saw the February Platypus ETA and I was so disappointed. Gosh, do 
 you think will get them before Valentine’s Day?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 20, 2021, at 1:44 PM, Chris in NZ  wrote:

 From Will’s email on the 19 December:


 “We'll get the container of Sams and Platypus in late January, but 
 they'll be up on the site early February.”

 I think the website has just been updated to show when they’ll be 
 available to order.

 On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:18:26 AM UTC+13 Tom Wyland wrote:

> So the website has been updated for Feb '21 now. Anyone heard 
> about timing? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Mark Roland]

 Jason wrote: *Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there 
but quite pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the 
"click bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed 
the actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
apparently gets asked a lot.  *

I don't think anybody here missed the intention of the title, especially 
since the OP says right up front that the video is "less provocative." And 
that is not the quote. The quote is "What I get asked is, is this bike 
better than this one." He decides to use as an example two bikes he owns, a 
Rivendell Sam Hillborne and a Crust Bombora. The title is Rivendell vs 
Crust! Which Is Better? The intention of the title is to get people to 
watch the video. Which is what a good title is supposed to do. What puts it 
kind of in the clickbait realm is, the video is not about one bike company 
vs another bike company. Also, he does not answer even the specific 
question of which of these two models is "better." So it's mildly deceptive 
and it doesn't deliver the answer to the question it poses, the definition 
of clickbait.

Certainly, most people who subscribe to the channel or know these bike 
companies know that any title with versus in it is not going to deliver, 
especially when the question is which is better. It's all kind of silly, 
right? But we still like the idea that somebody is going to come down on 
one side or the other, just so we can totally agree. Or totally disagree.  
It fulfills the same role as gossip. And It doesn't matter. Just like this 
thread doesn't matter. It's cheap, harmless fun during a cold & snowy 
mid-winter  snap (at least here in the Northeast). Although he did not make 
any declarations, it does seem as though he goes for the Hillborne more 
these days. So I'm going with Rivendell FTW by decision. And after watching 
the thing, I confirmed my initial opinion that I wasn't interested. But 
since I didn't fall for the initial clickbait, I'm really not the target 
audience anyway. I admire him for eking out a place in the online bicycle 
space, it's crowded out there. It's 19 degrees F in Beacon right now, 
supposed to get down to 12 by morning.  
*Path Less Pedaled* = The Traveling Wilburys 



On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite 
> pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click 
> bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the 
> actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
> apparently gets asked a lot. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Mark Roland]

 Jason wrote: Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there 
but quite pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the 
"click bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed 
the actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
apparently gets asked a lot.  

I don't think anybody here missed the intention of the title, especially 
since the OP says right up front that the video is "less provocative." And 
that is not the quote. The quote is "What I get asked is, is this bike 
better than this one." He decides to use as an example two bikes he owns, a 
Rivendell Sam Hillborne and a Crust Bombora. The title is Rivendell vs 
Crust! Which Is Better? The intention of the title is to get people to 
watch the video. Which is what a good title is supposed to do. What puts it 
kind of in the clickbait realm is, the video is not about one bike company 
vs another bike company. Also, he does not answer even the specific 
question of which of these two models is "better." So it's mildly deceptive 
and it doesn't deliver the answer to the question it poses, the definition 
of clickbait.

Certainly, most people who subscribe to the channel or know these bike 
companies know that any title with versus in it is not going to deliver, 
especially when the question is which is better. It's all kind of silly, 
right? But we still like the idea that somebody is going to come down on 
one side or the other, just so we can totally agree. Or totally disagree.  
It fulfills the same role as gossip. And It doesn't matter. Just like this 
thread doesn't matter. It's cheap, harmless fun during a cold & snowy 
mid-winter  snap (at least here in the Northeast). Although he did not make 
any declarations, it does seem as though he goes for the Hillborne more 
these days. So I'm going with Rivendell FTW by decision. And after watching 
the thing, I confirmed my initial opinion that I wasn't interested. But 
since I didn't fall for the initial clickbait, I'm really not the target 
audience anyway. I admire him for eking out a place in the online bicycle 
space, it's crowded out there. It's 19 degrees F in Beacon right now, 
supposed to get down to 12 by morning.  
*Path Less Pedaled* = The Traveling Wilburys 
On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite 
> pragmatic.  I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click 
> bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the 
> actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he 
> apparently gets asked a lot. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Mark Roland]

I don't think anyone is disputing the notion that Rivendell and Crust are 
niche brands that have created a feeling, or lifestyle or culture around 
their brand. Those words sound not quite right and maybe a bit too 
premeditated. In the case of these two companies, the marketing angle is 
really an outgrowth of who they are and what they believe in and share with 
their customers. Anyway not breaking news. I'm going Mark Knopfler/Grant 
Petersen. True, Knopfler races cars. But he also started the Notting 
Hillbillies, which is kinda like Hillibikes, going back to roots. And he's 
good, and went against the heavy rock/punk scene in the late 70s, forging 
his own way.

On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:30:51 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> I absolutely agree with Ben's point about how both Rivendell and Crust 
> have tried to build up a subculture around their brands that is about more 
> than just the bikes. 
> At the same time, doing this helps people get an idea of what you can do 
> with the bikes they make, e.g. the way the Scapegoat is a model designed by 
> someone who does
> a very specific sort of riding.
>
> Couple more guitarist-frame builder connections:
>
> Tom Ritchey > Tony Iommi: Played pivotal role in creation of entire genre. 
> Had to compete with a flamboyant frontman to get credit (Ozzy/Gary Fisher)
> JP Weigle > Robert Fripp: Perfectionist with distinctive style. Not well 
> known outside the circle of cognoscenti
>
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 19:43, Ben Miller  wrote:
>
>> Okay, okay, I have to admit Johnny's comparisons of "Riv is to the Dead 
>> as Crust is to Bowie" got a laugh out of me. That and some of the other 
>> comments got me thinking a bit, Riv and Crust are more than just the bikes. 
>> Sure other bike companies were influenced by Grant: Surly, Velo Orange, 
>> Rawland, etc, but I'd make a case that they lack the personality that Riv 
>> and Crust have. 
>>
>> Crust literally started because Matt made the bikes that he and his 
>> friends wanted to ride: Evasion/Matt, Scapegoat/The Goat, Cheeco/Angelica, 
>> and Romanceur/Ronnie. That's pretty bold and subversive in a Riv way. And 
>> these are bikes that definitely didn't exist in any other form at the time. 
>> In many ways, the Bombora which Russ used in the comparisons is the most 
>> "normal" bike in the Crust lineup (Dan from Bike Insights made a flowchart 
>> and to get to the Bombora the answer is "Man, I just want a bike. I'm not a 
>> weirdo")
>>
>> But even more than that, the team a Crust is then filled out with these 
>> personalities. Much like Riv highlighting their team through "Staff Bikes" 
>> and their Instagram account, Crust does that too with their Elevator to 
>> Hell videos. And both companies use their platform to raise awareness to 
>> causes they care about. Crust's sponsoring of the Slim One because they can 
>> and think it is the right thing to do is along the same lines as Riv's BRF 
>> experiment, though perhaps less controversial. And Grant being open about 
>> cash flow problems isn't that different from Crust taking a break over 
>> holidays and being open about feeling overwhelmed at the time. 
>>
>> All this adds up to two companies that are almost as much about the 
>> people as the bikes. I find myself routing for Grant and Matt, hoping their 
>> projects work out even if I don't want that particular one for myself. I 
>> definitely can't say that about Surly or New Albion. In a way, both 
>> companies are a bit like custom builders because of that, you feel a 
>> personal connection. I think that is what the makes the Rivendell vs Crust 
>> comparison so unique. 
>>
>> As far as guitarists: James Iha, Dave Navarro, John Frusciante. Yes, I am 
>> Gen X.
>>
>> (Disclaimer: I will tip my hat to Velo Orange, especially when Chris at 
>> the helm, feels like a company that had a real personal touch and a sense 
>> of humor) 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:44:58 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Just to clarify, I'm certainly not getting bent because I'm not a fan of 
>>> the video editing (or the content, for that matter.) And whether or not he 
>>> is making money, or is trying to make money, or is performing a public 
>>> service because he enjoys the luxury of enough free time to do so, is not 
>>> really relevant. He is obviously sincere in what he does and seems to have 
>>> a decent following. And good for him. After watching the video above, I 
>>> would not be able to use it to make a decision as to which bike might be 
>>> better for me. On the

[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Mark Roland]

Looking good.  Regarding the sub categories, which indeed can be helpful, 
if you open the "3-bar" menu, you get the drop down major 
categories--Parts, Gear, Garage Sale, etc. By clicking the "+" sign next to 
a main category, you get subcategories--eg, under Parts, you get Bottom 
Brackets, Brakes, Cassettes, Etc. If you click on brakes, you get the whole 
shebang, blended together--calipers, levers, pads, cables--all intermingled 
with willy and nilly.  BUT, if you click directly on the word "Parts" 
instead of the "+", you get taken to the Catalog, which breaks down brakes 
into: Brake types, brake hardware, etc. (The catalog also appears to the 
right of the drop down main, but is cut off, at least on my laptop.) Would 
there be a way for that click on Parts to bring you to exclusively that 
"catalog style" menu JUST for parts? 

Two sections that could use a further "+" or submenu IMO would be brakes 
and handlebars. 

It's not an easy task to develop a logical taxonomy for web site 
navigation. Multiple pathways and redundancies are good, but can sometimes 
be confusing when different pathways use different nomenclature, or when 
it's not clear where exactly you are.  The ultimate is to have a visitor 
who finds what they are seeking in two or three easy no-brainer clicks.

I imagine some further refinement and tweaking could be a benefit. 
Meanwhile, totally useable as is.
On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:56:21 PM UTC-5 Dave wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
>
> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>
> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
> to the homepage.
>
> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>
> Dave Schonenberg
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Mark Roland]

Just to clarify, I'm certainly not getting bent because I'm not a fan of 
the video editing (or the content, for that matter.) And whether or not he 
is making money, or is trying to make money, or is performing a public 
service because he enjoys the luxury of enough free time to do so, is not 
really relevant. He is obviously sincere in what he does and seems to have 
a decent following. And good for him. After watching the video above, I 
would not be able to use it to make a decision as to which bike might be 
better for me. On the one hand, he refers to the Bombora as spicey and 
sporty. On the other, he says the Riv's steering is quicker, but keeps 
calling it relaxed and chill. Hard to tell, but it looks like maybe the 
Bombora has more drop from saddle to bars. Who knows. 

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 12:15:36 PM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com wrote:

> I love bike comparison videos of every kind. I want to see Rivs vs Rivs 
> with some tiny difference, Riv vs Crusts, Surlys, carbon TT bikes, 
> everything. I want to see "I took my Electra Townie to a pump track", 
> "super-low-trail bike vs penny farthing for grocery getter", "55 Atlantis 
> 29er vs 56 Atlantis 650b", "Same bike with 12 different handlebar setups", 
> etc.  
>
> I like what Russ at Path Less Pedaled is doing; he's all about the 
> "non-competitive side of cycling" which aligns with RBW perfectly. 
>
> Mike 
> Austin TX
>
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 10:49:04 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> If I had a YouTube channel and wanted people to watch, click the like 
>> button, subscribe, etc... I'd probably write titles that makes people want 
>> to click them. When I go shopping for a car, I don't get bent about car 
>> sales tactics that are there for a reason, even if they kind of annoy me. I 
>> know I'm trying to be manipulated online with YouTube titles, I recognize 
>> it, and I accept that it's something they have to do. 
>>
>> As for the aesthetic of the edits being rough, I don't know if this is 
>> the case or not, but I think it's intentional. Russ has a background in 
>> film and photography, so I have to think that producing videos with that 
>> jumpiness is intended. 
>>
>> I'm not saying it's good or bad, but the jumpy edits could be argued to 
>> be good because they do create a feeling of energy/excitement by 
>> eliminating long pauses. 
>>
>> I could be (and usually am) totally wrong and Russ just throws these 
>> together without thinking about it. But I think knowing his tendencies and 
>> background, I'd say he means to do it.
>>
>> If it turns you off, that's totally fair and I'm not saying it shouldn't. 
>> He reminds me of John Green's YouTube videos...same kind of editing, no 
>> dead space, frenetic and fast paced energy, etc... 
>>
>> Ben "not an expert on video editing theory" in Omaha 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:59:14 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Laing wrote:* I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on 
>>> a video that they did not watch. *
>>> The PLP post is titled Rivendell vs. Crust. Which is Better?  There are 
>>> no models in the title, and that is what brings it to the realm of 
>>> clickbait. The OP also states right up front that the video is less 
>>> provocative.  Generally, Rivendell vs. Crust, some of the qualities that 
>>> separate them are disc brakes, more conventional chainstay lengths, and 
>>> yes, low trail. Based on the thrust of the thread starter, I would say 
>>> perfectly legitimate to comment without bothering to watch the actual video 
>>> referenced. Obviously a Sam Hillborne does not qualify as low trail. It may 
>>> be lower trail than bike x, but not low trail. I did find it mildly amusing 
>>> that he was noting the differences between 42.5 and 45.5 chainstays. He 
>>> should try a Susie!
>>>
>>> From an aesthetic point of view, I find his videos hard to watch due to 
>>> the editing/splicing. I wish he would let the camera roll through a bit 
>>> more--maybe he could have a cheat board of notes if he can't talk 
>>> extemporaneously. As it is, the video is noticeably spliced after every 
>>> sentence or two.  Maybe this is normal these days with vlogs, and it's just 
>>> me being old. Oh well.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:26:38 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a video that 
>>>> they did not watch. As Tom pointed out, the Sam Hillborne

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Mark Roland]

 Laing wrote:* I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a 
video that they did not watch. *
The PLP post is titled Rivendell vs. Crust. Which is Better?  There are no 
models in the title, and that is what brings it to the realm of clickbait. 
The OP also states right up front that the video is less provocative.  
Generally, Rivendell vs. Crust, some of the qualities that separate them 
are disc brakes, more conventional chainstay lengths, and yes, low trail. 
Based on the thrust of the thread starter, I would say perfectly legitimate 
to comment without bothering to watch the actual video referenced. 
Obviously a Sam Hillborne does not qualify as low trail. It may be lower 
trail than bike x, but not low trail. I did find it mildly amusing that he 
was noting the differences between 42.5 and 45.5 chainstays. He should try 
a Susie!

>From an aesthetic point of view, I find his videos hard to watch due to the 
editing/splicing. I wish he would let the camera roll through a bit 
more--maybe he could have a cheat board of notes if he can't talk 
extemporaneously. As it is, the video is noticeably spliced after every 
sentence or two.  Maybe this is normal these days with vlogs, and it's just 
me being old. Oh well.

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:26:38 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a video that 
> they did not watch. As Tom pointed out, the Sam Hillborne is the "low 
> trail" bike in this comparison - you need to watch the video to know what 
> is in it. Note that I have one Crust (Scapegoat) and 12 Rivendells.
>
> One word on guitarists: Hendrix.
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:09:04 AM UTC-5 Tom M wrote:
>
>> FWIW, the particular Crust Russ is reviewing isn't low trail — he said 
>> it's 76 or 75 mm. I don't have a particular dog in the fight, and I enjoyed 
>> the video and don't consider it click-bait. As Russ said, he gets asked 
>> this type of question all the time, so why not do a video?
>>
>> And re: guitarists—thanks to Philip for the Rory Gallagher link. I'd 
>> never heard of him but will now check him out.
>>
>> Tom Milani
>> Alexandria, VA USA
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 2:18:44 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Which - to be clear - is my response to the premise of the thread which 
>>> is the premise of the Path Less Pedaled thing. I'm not objecting to the 
>>> thread being a thread. 
>>>
>>> Joe "let me say this about that" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I don't think a Riv vs. anything low trail really counts as a 
 comparison, it's two very different approaches to what is considered the 
 "right" way for a bicycle to handle. But my bias is extreme, I bought a 
 Crust Lightning Bolt (disc) and hoo boy did I learn the expensive way that 
 I do *not *like low trail. Rivs ride the way I need my bikes to ride. 

 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:

> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
> " 
>
> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing 
> his Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than 
> it 
> could be? 
>
> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I 
> do 
> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing 
> the 
> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust 
> bikes 
> had. 
>
> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared 
> to Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most 
> thing's not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot 
> take 
> on the two?
>
> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and 
> important stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really 
> interesting collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along 
> the 
> lines of the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really 
> cool!
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Clem Smith Jr. L 59cm Mustard

[Mark Roland]

At that price, shipped overseas (again) you could start to consider a 
Susie. Truly beautiful bikes in person, and can do everything a Clem can, 
plus a bit more tire room.  Considering how long you will have the bike, 
worth it no question. Also splits the difference top tube-wise between a 
Clem L and a Clem H!

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:22:30 PM UTC-5 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:

> Whoa, nice. Quite the premium for mustard, but may go this route if 
> nothing better pops up. Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:07:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>>
>> https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frame-set-h-style-mustard.html
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, BRETT ROBINSON  wrote:
>>
>> In that case, anyone have a 59cm Clementine/Clem L (any color), OR, a 
>> 59cm Clem H in mustard? Wanting a step through but I'd consider a 59 H in 
>> mustard.
>>
>>
>> Also interested in a Rosco Bubbe mixte if anyone is selling.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:12:25 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Brett,
>>>
>>> No mustard L's that I'm aware of. My recollection is there was a mustard 
>>> H and orange L in that batch. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 1:05:06 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>>>
 Leah

 It's well loved, does duty most days as a school bus or errand runner.

 By the way, anyone know if 59cm Clem L in mustard was a combo Riv 
 produced? Realizing I've never seen a pic of one. Did they only make this 
 in the H version, or are there L's floating around out there?

 On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:52:47 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

>
> Things That Warm the Heart of Leah Peterson: that’s where to file 
> this. ♥️ I’m so glad the Betty is loved. That was at the top of my list. 
> L
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 7:19:15 PM UTC-8 BRETT ROBINSON wrote:
>
>> Looking for a 59 cm Clem L, in mustard (butterscotch? butternut? 
>> whatever it's called, you know the one!). My wife is tired of me 
>> stealing 
>> her Betty Foy that I bought for her from bicyclebelle last year.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Racers on a Cheviot?

[Mark Roland]

Laing wrote: *There can be some very good reasons for using a centerpull on 
the front and a sidepull on the rear: 1., 2., 3, *

4. They are expensive as heck, so running one saves you lots of money. 


On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 4:17:24 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> There can be some very good reasons for using a centerpull on the front 
> and a sidepull on the rear: 
> 1. Centerpulls generally give more clearance which is almost always a 
> bigger issue on the front than the rear. Especially true with fenders.
> 2. Sidepulls sometimes fit better on the rear, especially on mixte type 
> frames with offset cable stops - I try not to clamp things to by frame 
> unless there is no other way. On my Rosco Bubbe V1, there is insufficient 
> distance from a cable hanger to the straddle cable to use a center pull.
> 3. You don't really need the additional baking power of a centerpull on 
> the rear, locking up the rear wheel is not the fastest way to stop.
>
> I run the Dia-Compe DC610-N centerpull front, Tektro R559 sidepull rear 
> combo on both my Rosco Bubbe and Betty Foy.
>
> Laing
>
> [image: Resized_20200330_120439.jpeg]
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 3:22:34 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Ha! It's pretty awesome/astounding how jalopy-ish some of the Riv staff 
>> bikes look. Will might take the cake in that department with this orange 
>> Chev  which 
>> coicidentally has the same Racer-in-the-front, R559-in-the-rear set up. 
>> That hacked off front fender is   
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 2:58 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Justin,
>>>
>>> For informational purposes only because everyone has already answered 
>>> that Racers work front and rear: I asked Will about his front Racer once 
>>> and he said it's there because he had a front one and felt like using it. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:34:03 AM UTC-8 Justin Kennedy 
>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>
 I've used Tektro R559's on my Cheviot from the start but was recently 
 considering upgrading to something different due to a slight but annoying 
 mechanical issue on the front caliper. (The release lock is stuck so in 
 order to remove the front tire, I have to fully deflate and squeeze it 
 between the pads.)

 I noticed on Will's Staff Bikes page that he has a Paul Racer on this 
 Chev 
 
  
 but only up front. Guessing it's because the rear geometry wouldn't allow 
 a 
 hanger placement for a center pull?  

 Has anyone else used this set up? Do Paul Racers have clearance for 
 700c x 50mm tires? The tires in Will's pic look pretty wide and he's 
 running a fender too so it seems like there would be plenty of room. 
 Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Mark Schneider]

I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate 
title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, 
but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, or my 
Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my camera 
in my bag in front of me I take the low trail custom. I use the old Masi if 
I just want to ride hard and fast. But most the time I just chill on one of 
the Rivendell's that are still fast, fun, and plush.
I found the idea as ridiculous as people arguing who's better, Clapton, 
Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol.
I'm sure I'll watch the video eventually, Russ does a great job and he's 
level headed and fair. 

Mark 
Half Moon Bay area


On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:

> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hM8ZSBRl0>" 
>
> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
> could be? 
>
> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
> had. 
>
> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
> two?
>
> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

Great looking build, Ash. What black seat post are you planning to use? All 
black components but keeping the brown saddle would look pretty awesome.

The swoop top tube is actually a big plus for me. In addition to being 
functional, that graceful line complements the fillet-brazed construction. 
It give the bicycles a distinctive character.

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:16:19 PM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:

> Hey Jared,
>
> Which is that black stem on your Susie?
>
> I wanted to completely 'black out' my Susie build.  I'm almost there.  I 
> do have a vintage dirt drop like black stem that I'm not too happy with.  
>
> Benjamin,
>
> I can write a page about my thoughts on Susie, compare and contrast its 
> ride with the other Riv's I've owned (which include 2 Appaloosas, 1 MIT 
> Atlantis and 1 Sam), but various posts in this thread cover Susie pretty 
> well.  In short, it's the most comfortable and versatile of any bike I've 
> owned.  It definitely does not fall into 'fast' category.  When I'm on this 
> bike, I'm so relaxed and enjoying, I basically do not want the ride to end! 
>  Hence the speed does not feel important.  Something about its geometry it 
> feels super stable.  Feels like it has some sort of 'self-driving' tech.  I 
> also get the feeling that the bike is very forgiving of rider distractions. 
>  There are instances where I'd be looking at either my phone or something 
> interesting along the path, I go over a rock or pot hole and go 'oops!', 
>  but bike is still moving along.  On other bikes I feel like I'd have 
> either crashed or would have had to scramble to regain balance.  I admit, 
> to me this bike is not my favorite in the looks department.  I'm not a fan 
> of the swoopy top tube from aesthetics standpoint. I do understand that 
> functionally this shape is better than the straight TT.  On occasions I do 
> need to make a fashion statement at the place I arrive, I take my shiny 
> Roadini.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ash in Sunnyvale, CA 
> On Friday, 29 January 2021 at 15:55:40 UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here ya go Paul
>>
>> Still needs some tweaks and waiting on my saddle so I'm breaking in the 
>> Brooks for my fiancee
>>
>> Jared in Santa Cruz
>>
>> [image: IMG_2971.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_2970.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_2972.JPG]
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 7:29:36 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> Good point. Which brings up the whole notion of weight limits. My guess 
>>> is, the Susie is stouter than a vast majority of production bicycles out 
>>> there. How many of them come with weight limits?
>>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:47:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>> "Susie still available"
>>>>
>>>> Right now the problem is Will's update on the max weight was only in a 
>>>> weekly email, it's not on the product page at rivbike.com. If I hadn't 
>>>> seen that email I wouldn't have picked up a used one here a month ago. 
>>>> They 
>>>> need to fix the page. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 3:22:52 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>>
>>> I don't quite get it either, why they still have Susies. Especially 
>>>>> singe they upped the recommended weight another 50lbs, to 210. I've said 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> before, but I think the latest generation of Rivendells, led by the 
>>>>> Hillibike models, represent some seriously high level, A-game bicycle 
>>>>> design, arrived at through a lifetime of working with, thinking about, 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> riding bicycles. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Mark, that is one sweet Susie. Great colors and looks like a fun ride. 
>>>>>> I wish Riv would sell out of the small Susies so I can stop being 
>>>>>> tempted. 
>>>>>> I've gotten down to just two bikes, an Atlantis and a Troll. I've barely 
>>>>>> ridden the Troll since getting the Atlantis. Most of my riding is 
>>>>>> pavement 
>>>>>> (including plenty of rough roads) but I look for dirt whenever I can. I 
>>>>>> could sell the Troll and replace with a Susie but I don't have much 
>>>>>> hilly 
>>>>>> bike territory here. And the wheels wouldn't transfer so that would be a 
>>>>>> pricey swap. I am surprised all the frames haven't been snatched up. My 
>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

Sharp looking build! What black seat post will you be using? I think the 
all black but keeping the saddle brown would  look fantastic.

In terms of the swoop, that is a big positive for me in the looks 
department, in addition to making a lot of sense from a functional 
standpoint. It gives the bike elegance and a flow, and it goes so well with 
the construction method. Much more character than your basic diamond frame. 
Z. Truly a beautiful bicycle, so much presence.

In 

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 2:16:19 PM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:

> Hey Jared,
>
> Which is that black stem on your Susie?
>
> I wanted to completely 'black out' my Susie build.  I'm almost there.  I 
> do have a vintage dirt drop like black stem that I'm not too happy with.  
>
> Benjamin,
>
> I can write a page about my thoughts on Susie, compare and contrast its 
> ride with the other Riv's I've owned (which include 2 Appaloosas, 1 MIT 
> Atlantis and 1 Sam), but various posts in this thread cover Susie pretty 
> well.  In short, it's the most comfortable and versatile of any bike I've 
> owned.  It definitely does not fall into 'fast' category.  When I'm on this 
> bike, I'm so relaxed and enjoying, I basically do not want the ride to end! 
>  Hence the speed does not feel important.  Something about its geometry it 
> feels super stable.  Feels like it has some sort of 'self-driving' tech.  I 
> also get the feeling that the bike is very forgiving of rider distractions. 
>  There are instances where I'd be looking at either my phone or something 
> interesting along the path, I go over a rock or pot hole and go 'oops!', 
>  but bike is still moving along.  On other bikes I feel like I'd have 
> either crashed or would have had to scramble to regain balance.  I admit, 
> to me this bike is not my favorite in the looks department.  I'm not a fan 
> of the swoopy top tube from aesthetics standpoint. I do understand that 
> functionally this shape is better than the straight TT.  On occasions I do 
> need to make a fashion statement at the place I arrive, I take my shiny 
> Roadini.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ash in Sunnyvale, CA 
> On Friday, 29 January 2021 at 15:55:40 UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here ya go Paul
>>
>> Still needs some tweaks and waiting on my saddle so I'm breaking in the 
>> Brooks for my fiancee
>>
>> Jared in Santa Cruz
>>
>> [image: IMG_2971.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_2970.JPG]
>> [image: IMG_2972.JPG]
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 7:29:36 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>
>>>
>>> Good point. Which brings up the whole notion of weight limits. My guess 
>>> is, the Susie is stouter than a vast majority of production bicycles out 
>>> there. How many of them come with weight limits?
>>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:47:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>> "Susie still available"
>>>>
>>>> Right now the problem is Will's update on the max weight was only in a 
>>>> weekly email, it's not on the product page at rivbike.com. If I hadn't 
>>>> seen that email I wouldn't have picked up a used one here a month ago. 
>>>> They 
>>>> need to fix the page. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 3:22:52 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>>
>>> I don't quite get it either, why they still have Susies. Especially 
>>>>> singe they upped the recommended weight another 50lbs, to 210. I've said 
>>>>> it 
>>>>> before, but I think the latest generation of Rivendells, led by the 
>>>>> Hillibike models, represent some seriously high level, A-game bicycle 
>>>>> design, arrived at through a lifetime of working with, thinking about, 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> riding bicycles. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Mark, that is one sweet Susie. Great colors and looks like a fun ride. 
>>>>>> I wish Riv would sell out of the small Susies so I can stop being 
>>>>>> tempted. 
>>>>>> I've gotten down to just two bikes, an Atlantis and a Troll. I've barely 
>>>>>> ridden the Troll since getting the Atlantis. Most of my riding is 
>>>>>> pavement 
>>>>>> (including plenty of rough roads) but I look for dirt whenever I can. I 
>>>>>> could sell the Troll and replace with a Susie but I don't have much 
>>>>>> hilly 
>>>>>> bike territory here. And the wheels wouldn't transfer 

Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

And as you know, photos rarely capture the significance of the grade. Those 
late 80s geos are basically like small, flat bar road bikes with a bit 
fatter tires. A geo responsible for popularizing if not coining the term 
"endo", so not terribly confidence-inspiring. 

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 7:58:26 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Mark. That middle photo looks just like a descent I rode a lot in 
> the summer here in Belgium. Wasn't from 500m elevation though :-)
> I rode it on a late 80s vintage MTB with no QR, so that was interesting. 
>
> Cheers,
> Johnny
>
> On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 at 13:49, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
>> Johnny wrote: 
>> *do the long stays give more traction and stability and a more laid back 
>> position so it's not necessary to hang off the back of the saddle so much? *
>>
>> Short answer: In my experience and opinion, the longer stays contribute 
>> to a more stable descent.
>>
>> I am not an expert gonzo descender, but I ride most of my bicycles up the 
>> Mount Beacon service road. It is steep in places and very steep in other 
>> places, with rutty, rocky, loose dirt conditions most of the year. You will 
>> quickly build up a serious amount of speed without judicious scrubbing with 
>> the brakes.
>>
>> While I don't have a dropper post on any of my bikes, or suspension for 
>> that matter, a number of bikes I've gone down on have the seat post quick 
>> release capability, and when I remember, I put the seatpost down, which 
>> puts you in a better control position and makes a different.
>>
>> With my Clem Ls and my Susie,  I don't have the quick release. Yet the 
>> downhills feel more manageable and my body does not feel super pitched 
>> forward as on a NORBA geo or even a traditional 80s mtb, with lower bars. 
>> As you surmise, the more laid back position on the bike helps. You also 
>> feel the bumps and moguls a bit less with the longer end--you're not 
>> sitting right at the back of the bus. This is on a road with only a couple 
>> of sharp turns and lots of straightaway. And it may be that adding a 
>> dropper would make a Hillibike even more pleasant on a descent. But unless 
>> you are doing lots of steep, long, or tricky downhills on sketchy stuff, 
>> I'm not sure it would be needed.
>>
>> My first Clementine/Clem L at the top.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0285(2).JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0280.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_20201023_080135686(2).jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

[Mark Roland]

I believe it is the OP's wish to remove this thread. Meanwhile, while 
waiting for moderator, might be helpful if posters remove any comments that 
quote OP.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> FWIW, and I mean that sincerely; my own approach, and certainly my own 
> predilections, are not those of anyone else.
>
> But I very deliberately take an agressive approach while riding a bicycle. 
> In particular, I ride toward the center of the lane when necessary, sit 
> tall, and look oncomers in the eye. I am quick to admonish, and quick to 
> yell loudly and gesture vehemently if I think it appropriate.
>
> This seems to have served me well, since I've not been attacked in all my 
> years of riding, though I've had some exciting verbal altercations.
>
> Once again, my point: I very deliberately ride proud.
>
> Now, I'm not a big man -- 5'10", 170, and I'm Asian to most white folk 
> (WASP father, Filipina mother), and I really thing many people look on 
> Asians as "easy." (They don't know the Malay "amok".) But I am really 
> convinced that riding "big" and not "small" makes one safer.
>
> I recall one instance very long ago, mid late '80s, on the Mount Vernon 
> trail, riding alone on a quiet Saturday afternoon, and stopping to watch 
> scullers on the Potomac. A group of teenagers, 14-16, came riding up on 
> bikes, eyeing me and muttering things like "get that bike" and generally 
> making predator signs. I looked them in the eyes, sat still, and they rode 
> on.
>
> Much later, say some 12 or 15 years ago, climbing slowly up the steep, 
> 1-mile Atrisco hill on the way back from work, a teenager with friends 
> riding along said, "I want that bike." I gave him the fish eye and kept 
> riding; he stayed put.
>
> Perhaps it was as Otto Von Bismarck said, "There is a special Providence 
> that watches over fools and drunks and Americans," or perhaps an angel was 
> doing over time (I do say a prayer before I ride, more worried about idiots 
> in cars texting on their phones that agressive punks), but alhamdulillah, 
> I've not been accosted in all the what, now 55 years of riding in urban 
> traffic (started age 11 in pre-digital, ex-Brit cantonment Bangalore, 
> riding from nascent Palace Orchards to St. Joseph's Jesuit preparatory 
> school on my 3/4 size Hero).
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 10:27 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> I've avoided opening this post all week since the title involved having a 
>> crash, but when I did finally open it and saw that it was caused by an 
>> attack I had to cringe.  I ride MUPs most of the time and have never had a 
>> close call or threatening encounter - though I have experienced rude 
>> behavior from some who ride as though there is no one else around.  But 
>> some of the paths do go through forest preserves and other remote areas 
>> where anything could happen.  One of the things I try to do is take a 
>> "minimalist" approach - that is, doing as much as (or as little as, 
>> depending on how you look at it) possible *not* to attract undue 
>> attention.  This includes wearing plain, unmarked T-shirts, etc.  There are 
>> extremes in the country's climate these days from both sides and if you're 
>> wearing certain colors, slogans, political or religious jargon, etc. it's 
>> possible to invoke the ire of someone who resents them.  From what I've 
>> read, people who bike in densely populated urban areas often get yelled at, 
>> cursed at, have objects thrown at them regardless of what their wearing 
>> simply because certain motorists (and even pedestrians) just don't like 
>> bikes in "their" traffic stream.  But that's an entirely different matter.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 10:42:03 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> While it doesn't hurt to be attentive to what is happening around you 
>>> (ear buds, anyone?) there is not much most of us would be willing or able 
>>> to do other than what we end up doing in the case that something were to 
>>> happen. In other words, unless you go to extremes--take a kung fu class, 
>>> apply for a weapon permit--you'll have to trust your instincts, and perhaps 
>>> the kindness of passersby.  In any case, constant conjecture of this 
>>> magnitude will not be rewarded.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 10:07:35 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have thought about this thread all week on every ride. 
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, Litho, how did your surgery go? You’ll be typing 

Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

Johnny wrote: 
*do the long stays give more traction and stability and a more laid back 
position so it's not necessary to hang off the back of the saddle so much? *

Short answer: In my experience and opinion, the longer stays contribute to 
a more stable descent.

I am not an expert gonzo descender, but I ride most of my bicycles up the 
Mount Beacon service road. It is steep in places and very steep in other 
places, with rutty, rocky, loose dirt conditions most of the year. You will 
quickly build up a serious amount of speed without judicious scrubbing with 
the brakes.

While I don't have a dropper post on any of my bikes, or suspension for 
that matter, a number of bikes I've gone down on have the seat post quick 
release capability, and when I remember, I put the seatpost down, which 
puts you in a better control position and makes a different.

With my Clem Ls and my Susie,  I don't have the quick release. Yet the 
downhills feel more manageable and my body does not feel super pitched 
forward as on a NORBA geo or even a traditional 80s mtb, with lower bars. 
As you surmise, the more laid back position on the bike helps. You also 
feel the bumps and moguls a bit less with the longer end--you're not 
sitting right at the back of the bus. This is on a road with only a couple 
of sharp turns and lots of straightaway. And it may be that adding a 
dropper would make a Hillibike even more pleasant on a descent. But unless 
you are doing lots of steep, long, or tricky downhills on sketchy stuff, 
I'm not sure it would be needed.


On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 4:39:34 AM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hey all,
>
> Not sure if this is on topic, but I wonder if the long chainstays on the 
> hillibikes makes dropper posts a bit redundant for this kind of bike?
> I.e. do the long stays give more traction and stability and a more laid 
> back position so it's not necessary to hang off the back of the saddle so 
> much?
> Or are the long stays more an advantage for climbing (as mentioned in some 
> posts above).
> I have a dropper post on one of my bikes and I do like it, but having one 
> less mechanical thing to service/go wrong would be nice. 
>
> Cheers,
> Johnny
> On Thursday, 4 February 2021 at 07:05:12 UTC+1 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> You mentioned you ditched the pec deck. Care to give your opinion on it? 
>> I'm planning on making & using one or two.
>> Thanks.
>> -Matthew
>> on the fence about starting a (new) pec deck post/thread
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 12:07:53 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Grant is a notably competitive steep-climber.  His "philosophy" of short 
>>> periods of extreme exertion coupled with his tendency towards slow riding 
>>> makes ultra-steep-climbs his perfect activity.  Many of us RBWHQ visitors 
>>> know that if Grant doesn't have his hands full, he may just decide "Bill, 
>>> grab a bike, let's go" and take you on a climb that will make your lungs 
>>> jump out of your chest.  Hillibikes climb exceptionally well.  IF you put 
>>> bosco bars on a mainstream mountain bike with really short chainstays, THEN 
>>> you would have too-little weight on the front wheel and 'wheelie' on steep 
>>> climbs.  Lng chainstays keep your front wheel planted.  Also, climbing 
>>> a Grant-selected steep pitch will encourage you to grab your Boscos down as 
>>> low as you can to get more leverage over the pedals.  
>>>
>>> Hillibikes aren't for life risking decents and getting sick air, but 
>>> they are really good for aggressively conquering steep climbs.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 11:11:02 AM UTC-8 Christopher Cote 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think part of it is your physical proportions and fit. I tend toward 
>>>> a shorter torso and longer legs, so I'm naturally going to have less 
>>>> weight 
>>>> on the front wheel, especially with a long front-center.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't mean to go so far as to say that the Susie (sorry for the 
>>>> misspelling earlier) was designed to make you get off and walk, but with 
>>>> Grant's philosophy, I just think it's unlikely he's designed the bike to 
>>>> "conquer the terrain". 
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 6:06:18 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I guess I am either blessed or cursed with less sensitivity in these 
>>>>> matters.  I tend to ride the same roads and trails 80 percent (or more

[RBW] Re: Frame schedule 2021

[Mark Roland]

Now back to V-brake canti?

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 11:55:39 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> Chris: Re: Lovely Bicycle, occasional, but not a regular. She was a very 
> good writer and photographer, and had some interesting takes on the world 
> of bicycles. Now she's in Ireland with a family and a yarn knitting 
> business. 
>
> I was not suggesting that you were hiding anything, but speaking of 
> friendly manners, if your name does not appear at the top of your post, it 
> is good manners to sign at the bottom. As I explained,  I found out who you 
> were by...putting your email remnant into the "search" box. Going through, 
> I found some of your posts signed "Chris" and mistakenly assumed male. 
> (Though my odds were high for being correct based on overall members; at 
> least those who participate.) I don't know what else I got wrong. I made no 
> attempt to guess your dog's name!;^)
>
> Not to belabor the point, but I wrote: *May I suggest you try putting the 
> word Charlie in ye olde search box at the top of the page.  Good stuff.*"  
> Again, I don't find  "May I suggest" to be rude or unfriendly.  To answer 
> your question with any accuracy, I suspect most who wanted to respond would 
> have to do that or something similar.  For those of you who may not read 
> the Blahg, GP has been on a self-recognized "ye olde" kick for some time, 
> so it was a mild attempt to insert some inside humor. As was the reference 
> to the old Nobody knows you are a dog on the internet.
>
> Rivendell has a habit of not using permalinks for their web pages. So 
> every time they revamp or rearrange, pages get lost. It's a Riv style road 
> bike that can take drop bars well, wider tires than Roadini, has the swoop 
> tube found on the Susie/Gus bikes. Started out canti, now sidepull (to the 
> dismay of some, but plenty of canti.v-brake Rivs to choose from.
>
> [image: charlie drawing.JPG][image: charlie.jpg]
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:09:52 PM UTC-5 cbirk...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, thank you for coming to my defense in asking about the Charlie 
>> model!  Much appreciated!
>> Mark- not sure why you needed to respond in an acerbic way to my question 
>> but you got several things wrong.  Although I’m a longtime member I am a 
>> “Christine “ therefore not a “he”.  The cute dog is my Golden Retriever, 
>> who by total coincidence is named Charlie.  I go by Chris so that is my 
>> true name and I’m not hiding behind an avatar.
>> We like to have discussions on this forum in a friendly manner.  Were you 
>> a frequent poster on Lovely Bicycle per chance?
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 4:28:04 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure how you turn "May I suggest" into demanding someone do 
>>> anything. Not sure what the amount of traffic has to do with it. In any 
>>> case, he is a regular member. Why not teach him to fish instead of 
>>> expecting others to rehash for him?. All the info currently out there is 
>>> available by typing one word.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 2:22:29 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> My recollection is the Charlie Gallop is a new road bike along the 
>>>> lines of the Roadini but with a swoopy toptube like Gus/Susie. I don't 
>>>> think this list gets enough traffic to be demanding that people use the 
>>>> search function for a question like this, it takes just as long to say 
>>>> that 
>>>> as to answer the question. 
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Frame schedule 2021

[Mark Roland]

Not sure how you turn "May I suggest" into demanding someone do anything. 
Not sure what the amount of traffic has to do with it. In any case, he is a 
regular member. Why not teach him to fish instead of expecting others to 
rehash for him?. All the info currently out there is available by typing 
one word.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 2:22:29 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My recollection is the Charlie Gallop is a new road bike along the lines 
> of the Roadini but with a swoopy toptube like Gus/Susie. I don't think this 
> list gets enough traffic to be demanding that people use the search 
> function for a question like this, it takes just as long to say that as to 
> answer the question. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

[Mark Roland]

While it doesn't hurt to be attentive to what is happening around you (ear 
buds, anyone?) there is not much most of us would be willing or able to do 
other than what we end up doing in the case that something were to happen. 
In other words, unless you go to extremes--take a kung fu class, apply for 
a weapon permit--you'll have to trust your instincts, and perhaps the 
kindness of passersby.  In any case, constant conjecture of this magnitude 
will not be rewarded.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 10:07:35 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I have thought about this thread all week on every ride. 
>
> Firstly, Litho, how did your surgery go? You’ll be typing to us with one 
> hand or dictating, I imagine. I hope we hear from you! 
>
> Secondly, this thread has haunted me. All week it’s led me to think What 
> Would I Do I’ve never thought about being assaulted on a bike. What 
> would I do if I was Litho and found myself being pursued by a gang of 
> teenagers who were coming closer and closer to my rear wheel? What about 
> what Andy said - he perceived an attack and was able to mitigate it before 
> the worst happened. I don’t think my brain could have processed what was 
> happening and formulated a plan for self-preservation. My frame of mind is 
> just not there - I’m mostly riding a sweet, glittery raspberry mixte with a 
> matching polka dot helmet, sitting upright and carefree and often listening 
> to an engaging podcast or Apple Music. If I were riding a black and lime 
> green bike with Lycra and aero helmet I might be looking around like, “come 
> at me bro” - but as I am, I do not have an awareness of others’ mal-intent. 
> I pay attention to things that can cause accidents, but never think about 
> being intentionally attacked. But now I think maybe I should. I did get 
> chased by a dog for a mile and a half one time...that was terrifying, and I 
> did that all wrong, in retrospect...
>
> Andy, what was the outcome of the collision you had with that idiot? 
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 3, 2021, at 6:47 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>
> Glad you are significantly OK, that your bike is in experienced hands and 
> the responsible have been identified and addressed. Nothing good ever comes 
> from conflicts like that. 
>
>
> Remedy is mostly repair and only rarely involves taking you fully back to 
> where you started on a bike. Before reaching that degree you find yourself 
> accosted for not having covered your bike as a high value item on your own 
> insurance since it is worth more than the $150 bike-shaped objects at the 
> big box stores considered normal despite the intentional acts of the 
> others. 
>
> I haven't been deliberately targeted for purposeful injury or damage until 
> last summer when I was by an individual who put his bag down, stepped off 
> the curb into the trafficked avenue lane with his hands and arms up to grab 
> me verbalizing his intent audibly to his friends. I was in traffic, moving 
> around 15 mph with nowhere to move for safety. When he moved aggressively 
> toward me I leaned toward him and let my helmet and his chin be the first 
> contact. Do not attempt. In this case it was me leaning to prevent being 
> knocked into the traffic next to and behind me. He put me into a situation 
> fearing not being able to walk home if my bike was damaged by his actions 
> and not more than a second to deliberate options. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:50:20 AM UTC-5 Litho wrote:
>
>> **Cross-posted from FB Riv Page**
>>
>> Hello All. Looking for a little expertise / advice on my Riv. I was in a 
>> collision on my Appaloosa last week. A group of kids on bikes deliberately 
>> rammed into me on a multi-use trail here in Napa. My handlebars took the 
>> brunt of the initial impact, but me and the bike went tumbling across the 
>> pavement and into the road that parallels the trail. Unfortunately my hand 
>> was on the brake lever at the time and was crushed in between. I have 
>> surgery this week to repair the fractures and rebuild the joint on my 
>> knuckle. 
>>
>> I'm trying to assess all of the damage for the police report. The front 
>> and rear derailers were bent and scraped, the rear derailer hanger is 
>> slightly bent, but should be easy to straighten. There are numerous 
>> scratches, chips, and a couple of small dents on the frame, but I don't see 
>> any visible cracks or deformations anywhere. The brake lever was rotated on 
>> the bars but doesn't seem to be broken. The stem and bars were knocked 90 
>> degrees in the initial impact but don't have any visible damage.  
>>
>> Anything you would recommend checking or inspecting? The damage may just 
>> be cosmetic, but I don't want to overlook anything. Hopefully, I'll just 
>> end up with some glorious beausage and a good story.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone have toe overlap issues?

[Mark Roland]

I meant to add, toe overlap does not bother me. It might with a fixed gear 
in urban riding, but not so much elsewhere. I know lots of folks get 
unsettled by it, though.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 11:18:40 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> Did you mean to say 2cm more toe overlap than your current bike (which is?)
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

Oops, I just noticed the ebay links to Rhyno Lites, not Rhyno Lite XL, 
which is slightly wider. Apologies! I still think they would be fine. You 
can probably hunt down the specs at the manufacturer's site or on a good 
vendor site.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:36:59 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> If the unicycle angle doesn't work out, there is also bmx. I built my 
> Susie wheels using 700c  Rhyno Lite XL rims in white. Not sure of the width 
> but plenty wide for 2.6" knobbies.  Albes is sold out of all except the 
> colors red, blue, or gold. Or chrome for $$$. Black ones available for $35 
> on ebay, good deal for a good rim. I've purchased from this seller:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sun-Ringle-Rhyno-Lite-29-700c-rim-32-Hole-black-/402633453883?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
> Mine:
> [image: IMG_20201023_082341940(2).jpg]
> [image: IMG_20201023_082257418.jpg]
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 8:19:07 PM UTC-5 Weston Hein wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info- I never knew those existed. The lack of wider rim 
>> brake rims is really what kept me from jumping on a Gus/Susie. But these 
>> look like a good option, nice work finding them!
>>
>> So many great little details on this build!
>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:20:40 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC-7 Weston Hein wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What rims are you running on the Susie? 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Weston,  good question.
>>>
>>> I used Nimbus Dominator II rims.  They're unicycle rims.  On paper they 
>>> sound heavy at 900g but, in hand, they feel remarkably light for something 
>>> so stout.  42mm wide, eyeletted,  beefy thick brake track but not the 
>>> machined version.  I decided to try Tubolito tubes which are really light 
>>> and thus offset any extra rim weight anyway.  In theory, you're not 
>>> supposed to use these tubes on rim-brake wheels because they could melt 
>>> during something like a prolonged brake-riding descent.  I was willing to 
>>> take a chance because I can't see myself using the bike in such a manner, 
>>> regularly if ever, and because I figured the larger tire volume and 
>>> aluminum rim mass would dissipate heat better than a typical too-narrow 
>>> rim.  And becasue I clearly don't like to do things the way they're meant 
>>> to be done.  I haven't put them to the test yet, but will open it up and 
>>> see if the tube is sticking to the rim after some riding next summer.  In 
>>> the meantime, I'll say that they are holding air way better than any 
>>> light-weight butyl tube or, especially, tubless setup ever has for me.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

[Mark Roland]

Benz wrote: *Those rascals (or their parents) basically owe you a bike in 
the exact same state as before the incident, without any hidden damage, 
scratches, chips or dent. *

Rascals is too cute/soft of a descriptor for this bunch. I honestly can't 
imagine how they even did this, but at least one of them must have put 
themselves in harm's way by ramming you. I'm also somewhat amazed that they 
were apprehended, that is great news. I wonder if they were trying to steal 
the bike? I think it's fair to say it would not be frivolous to seek  
additional compensation  in such an egregious case of intent to harm, even 
if directly through the insurance. I hope your injury heals quickly. I 
admire your equanimity.
On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:29:46 AM UTC-5 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> I'm glad you came out more or less OK. It sucks that you need surgery to 
> repair your body, and I hope that the injury is at least on a less 
> important finger on your non-dominant hand.
>
> As for the bike, I'll just ask for a new bike if yours was in good shape 
> before the crash. The frame is probably OK, structurally, but new paint is 
> expensive. Also, I would change anything that appears damaged or affected 
> by the crash. Yes, even the rotated brake lever, and especially the 
> handlebar and maybe even stem. You can't be sure that a whack large enough 
> to rotate a brake lever and stem wouldn't cause invisible damage that may 
> come back to haunt you later. If the stem was tightened quite a bit, I'll 
> even inspect the fork, especially the steerer for any damage. Those rascals 
> (or their parents) basically owe you a bike in the exact same state as 
> before the incident, without any hidden damage, scratches, chips or dent.
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:50:20 PM UTC-8 Litho wrote:
>
>> **Cross-posted from FB Riv Page**
>>
>> Hello All. Looking for a little expertise / advice on my Riv. I was in a 
>> collision on my Appaloosa last week. A group of kids on bikes deliberately 
>> rammed into me on a multi-use trail here in Napa. My handlebars took the 
>> brunt of the initial impact, but me and the bike went tumbling across the 
>> pavement and into the road that parallels the trail. Unfortunately my hand 
>> was on the brake lever at the time and was crushed in between. I have 
>> surgery this week to repair the fractures and rebuild the joint on my 
>> knuckle. 
>>
>> I'm trying to assess all of the damage for the police report. The front 
>> and rear derailers were bent and scraped, the rear derailer hanger is 
>> slightly bent, but should be easy to straighten. There are numerous 
>> scratches, chips, and a couple of small dents on the frame, but I don't see 
>> any visible cracks or deformations anywhere. The brake lever was rotated on 
>> the bars but doesn't seem to be broken. The stem and bars were knocked 90 
>> degrees in the initial impact but don't have any visible damage.  
>>
>> Anything you would recommend checking or inspecting? The damage may just 
>> be cosmetic, but I don't want to overlook anything. Hopefully, I'll just 
>> end up with some glorious beausage and a good story.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Frame schedule 2021

[Mark Roland]

Somebody without a name but with a dog face wrote: *What is the Charlie 
model?* 

May I suggest you try putting the word Charlie in ye olde search box at the 
top of the page.  Good stuff. (Has that old meme actually come true after 
all these years? Alas, no. I did a search box search and it's Chris.)

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 10:24:43 PM UTC-5 cbirk...@gmail.com wrote:

> What is the Charlie model?
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 5:52:14 AM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brother! Have since picked up a lightly used 2018 Atlantis.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-8 Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>>> Hugh - i don’t onow how reliable it is, but will had a pic in one of the 
>>> updates last year w the frame schedule. 
>>>
>>> Sky in new west 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Mark Roland]

Nice build on one of the (rightly) most sought after models in all of 
Rivendell. This bike with lights and fenders and comfy seat can do double 
duty as bike that can take you just about anywhere and as your second car 
(but way less expensive and waaay more fun.) I don't think the Clem Ls are 
due again for some time?

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi. 
>
> 52 frame size
>
> Brian O
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 05:58 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
> thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Frame size?
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>> for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and enjoyed 
>>> it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as follows"
>>>
>>> generator hub and light
>>>
>>> better Shimano pedals
>>>
>>> better seat  Brooks B67S
>>>
>>> rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips
>>>
>>> The bicycle is in very good shape 
>>>
>>> I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.
>>>
>>> Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.
>>>
>>> Brian Oldham
>>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>>
>>> San Carlos, Ca. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: For those who like double top tubes AND mixtes...

[Mark Roland]

Looks a lot like an old tradesman's work bicycle, more commonly seen with 
the small front wheel (and level racks--something seems amiss there.) Some 
would have had advertising signage attached to those tubes. I'm guessing 
that's a good fifty pounds of bicycle right there. Not including the extra 
top tube.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:22:45 AM UTC-5 LeRoy wrote:

> I was in a lighting store last weekend looking for the perfect pair of 
> sconce lights. I came out with the lights and a new piece of wall art. For 
> whatever reason(s), I just had to have it. The picture now graces my living 
> room, above the couch.
>
> Is this some sort of ancestral, pre-Rivendellian concept? A precursor to 
> many current trends? A possible indicator of the next great idea for a 
> custom? Who knows? All 
> I can say for sure is that those front and rear racks bother me just a bit 
> because they depart so far from the dead level look we strive for today.
>
> LeRoy [Bob Sharp]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

I guess I am either blessed or cursed with less sensitivity in these 
matters.  I tend to ride the same roads and trails 80 percent (or more) of 
the time, and over the years I've ridden them with lots of different bikes 
with lots of different geometries and setups.  I'm not sure exactly  what 
handling characteristic is under discussion, but on my normal single track 
trails, I don't notice a lack of bite from the front tire of the Susie. The 
Klunker bar does not overly entice one into aggressive riding, but I'll 
dive into a dirt turn at speed now and then, no problem. When going up a 
challenging hill, yup, the bike will wander a bit. In my experience, 
whatever the bike, unless you are practically hammering out of the saddle, 
you are going to experience some of that at 3-4mph on a sick dirt and rock 
grade.

The Susie per se is not designed to make you walk. If I were going to be 
going out into  the landscape aggressively, I could easily choose bars that 
would get me level with the saddle on my Large. If I wanted more 
aggression, I could put them on my Medium Clem L. I'm not sure it is 
terribly helpful to compare the Hillibike geometries to current offerings 
from the big boys.They share much more of a bloodline with my 1984 Trek 
830, able to traverse hill and dale, rock and road, with equal aplomb, but 
with the ability to also get more comfortable via high head tube and longer 
chainstays and small refinements in the geometry. And bigger wheels.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 2:35:50 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 12:28:41 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote wrote:
>
>> I haven't ridden a Gus or Suzie, but I have had a similar experience on 
>> more conventional MTBs. If I set the bars up high and back for ultimate 
>> comfort, there's not enough weight on the front tire to "bite" into the 
>> terrain, and handling suffers, IMO. If you're just tootling along, the sit 
>> up and beg position is fine, but if you're interested in riding technical 
>> trails or in an aggressive manner, you need a more aggressive position. 
>> Given Grant's philosophy that riders should get off and walk more, I think 
>> that is reflected in the Gus/Suzie design.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> ^^ Right!  However, on a normal mountain bike that's set up this way, you 
> end up doing wheelies while climbing, because the rear wheel is tucked 
> under your butt.   On Grant's long-chainstay bikes, you still have a chance 
> of riding it out.   
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

Speaking of instagram, my favorite bike related poster right now is 
niigata0252 <https://www.instagram.com/niigata0252/?hl=en>. Lots of pics 
from vintage Japanese mags. Recent post shows a guy riding a drop bar 
Cunningham, apparently #7.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:47:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Speaking of orange/black, this showed up on Blue Lug's instagram today!
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CKquVcajH9G/?igshid=r3iwfj240rur
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 7:29:20 PM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Ed--I don't think you overlooked them. I think Riv got in a bunch, 
>> advertised it in the newsletter, and sold out. I got a pair to eventually 
>> put on my Hubbuhubbuh, because the fenders on that one should come up 
>> closer to the frame, but can't clear the v-brake cable. However, while I do 
>> not hate black parts per se, I definitely do not like them on a bright 
>> orange frame.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have 
>>> overlooked this brake set from Riv.
>>> Will try to check other suppliers.
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
>>>> cable should not degrade the brake performance.
>>>>
>>>> Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
>>>> 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
>>>> get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
>>>> clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
>>>> from other vendors.
>>>>
>>>> For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
>>>> extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
>>>> fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some 
>>>> additional 
>>>> clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
>>>> this, fairly straightforward.
>>>>
>>>> My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of 
>>>> room in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still 
>>>> doable, but if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of 
>>>> Rene Herse Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul 
>>>> of 
>>>> the current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
>>>> weather.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
>>>>> trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s 
>>>>> in case this experience helps:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  
>>>>> As seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom 
>>>>> bracket 
>>>>> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the 
>>>>> cantilever 
>>>>> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>>>>>
>>>>> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
>>>>> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them 
>>>>> adjusted 
>>>>> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
>>>>> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti 
>>>>> arm 
>>>>> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to 
>>>>> try 
>>>>> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
>>>>> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good o

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

Yeah I saw that. It is an attractive build, but, you know, Blue Lug. They 
can do the black bling. But also,  the Susie orange is deeper and richer 
than the Hubbuh orange, and that makes a big difference. I can certainly 
admire bikes built with orange and black, just not my thing!

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:47:17 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Speaking of orange/black, this showed up on Blue Lug's instagram today!
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CKquVcajH9G/?igshid=r3iwfj240rur
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 7:29:20 PM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Ed--I don't think you overlooked them. I think Riv got in a bunch, 
>> advertised it in the newsletter, and sold out. I got a pair to eventually 
>> put on my Hubbuhubbuh, because the fenders on that one should come up 
>> closer to the frame, but can't clear the v-brake cable. However, while I do 
>> not hate black parts per se, I definitely do not like them on a bright 
>> orange frame.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have 
>>> overlooked this brake set from Riv.
>>> Will try to check other suppliers.
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
>>>> cable should not degrade the brake performance.
>>>>
>>>> Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
>>>> 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
>>>> get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
>>>> clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
>>>> from other vendors.
>>>>
>>>> For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
>>>> extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
>>>> fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some 
>>>> additional 
>>>> clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
>>>> this, fairly straightforward.
>>>>
>>>> My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of 
>>>> room in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still 
>>>> doable, but if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of 
>>>> Rene Herse Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul 
>>>> of 
>>>> the current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
>>>> weather.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
>>>>> trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s 
>>>>> in case this experience helps:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  
>>>>> As seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, 
>>>>> as 
>>>>> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom 
>>>>> bracket 
>>>>> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the 
>>>>> cantilever 
>>>>> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>>>>>
>>>>> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
>>>>> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them 
>>>>> adjusted 
>>>>> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
>>>>> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti 
>>>>> arm 
>>>>> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to 
>>>>> try 
>>>>> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
>>>>> kind of decided that the black

[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

Ed--I don't think you overlooked them. I think Riv got in a bunch, 
advertised it in the newsletter, and sold out. I got a pair to eventually 
put on my Hubbuhubbuh, because the fenders on that one should come up 
closer to the frame, but can't clear the v-brake cable. However, while I do 
not hate black parts per se, I definitely do not like them on a bright 
orange frame.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 3:45:34 AM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> Thanks for recommending the Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes.  I have overlooked 
> this brake set from Riv.
> Will try to check other suppliers.
> Ed
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:37:43 PM UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
>> cable should not degrade the brake performance.
>>
>> Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
>> 110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
>> get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
>> clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
>> from other vendors.
>>
>> For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
>> extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
>> fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some additional 
>> clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
>> this, fairly straightforward.
>>
>> My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of room 
>> in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still doable, but 
>> if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of Rene Herse 
>> Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul of the 
>> current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
>> weather.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am 
>>> trying to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s 
>>> in case this experience helps:
>>>
>>> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  
>>> As seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at the 
>>> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, as 
>>> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed to 
>>> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom bracket 
>>> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the cantilever 
>>> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because I 
>>> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>>>
>>> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
>>> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them adjusted 
>>> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
>>> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti arm 
>>> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to try 
>>> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
>>> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   If 
>>> you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, this 
>>> may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
>>> fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.
>>>
>>> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, 
>>> but they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as 
>>> possible first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can deform 
>>> them to fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical 
>>> clearance point would otherwise be as noted above.
>>>
>>> Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
>>> those wouldn't provide full coverage.
>>>
>>> Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at least 
>>> confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going to put 
>>> the Bluemel 75 fenders on another bike soon but haven't yet, in case you'd 
>>> like me to take some photos of it mocked up.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Joe,

[RBW] Re: $500 commuter bike as a low-budget AHH?

[Mark Roland]

Nice Paul! And you speak French! Can't wait to see your line of handbags 
and accessories.

















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On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 3:46:02 PM UTC-5 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Clare V. stole it from moi!
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> [image: 50789433293_09ef384eaf_c.jpg]a
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Joe wrote: 
>> *I don't know much about Linus but I've never seen an ugly one. *
>>
>> This one might not be flat out ugly, but I would classify it as a bicycle 
>> fashion faux pas. It's one of those bikes done as a "collab" with a famous 
>> (or in this case, maybe not so famous?) designer. Apparently Clare V. is 
>> French but her company is in LA and makes handbags and accessories. 
>>
>> The problem I have with her colorway is that, for most people familiar 
>> with bicycles, when you see one with a completely different color fork 
>> (other than chrome, perhaps black) you think oh, the bike was wrecked and 
>> that is a replacement fork. The true cognescenti will then wonder if there 
>> is a ripple in the down tube. Not only did this bike suffer a front end 
>> collision, but it was rear-ended! It would be like designing a Tesla with a 
>> different colored hood and rear panel. Also the colors would remind me of 
>> Christmas every day. I think for this to work you would need to go further: 
>> yellow front fender, pale blue chaincase, white with polka dots saddle, 
>> purple grips. Now you wouldn't think replacement parts 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCJ6qB26YA>.
>>
>> Here's  a winter time passer for those of us in single digit temps this 
>> morning: If Rivendell were to do a "collab", who would you like to see 
>> sitting next to GP at the drawing board?
>>
>> [image: clare v bicycle.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:51:59 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know much about Linus but I've never seen an ugly one. Whomever 
>>> is behind that brand is *into *it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:08:49 PM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I actually looked at Brooklyn bicycles back in November of 2019 when I 
>>>> was looking to buy my first bike since middle school...I was 38 at the 
>>>> time. I REALLY wanted a Rivendell because of a buddy in college who sold 
>>>> me 
>>>> on the company, but wasn't going to spend that kind of money until I knew 
>>>> I 
>>>> loved riding. I really liked the look of the Bedfords. I e-mailed with 
>>>> Brooklyn and they recommended the Roebling for my height, and I didn't 
>>>> like 
>>>> it as much aesthetically. I had no idea Grant had anything to do with this 
>>>> company until last month! I ended up with a Linus Altore 7, which I 
>>>> honesty 
>>>> really liked and borderline loved it after swapping out a few things and 
>>>> making it a budget-build Riv-a-like. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:33:49 PM UTC-6 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A Handsome Devil is basically a  tig-welded SAM.   It looks similar to 
>>>>> the bike you linked, but it's double-butted 4130 and has canti brakes.  
>>>>> Room for 45s without fenders, 38 with fenders.  I have one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Awhile back, I worked for a bike shop that had these as rentals. They 
>>>>>> were a nice ride but equipped with pretty low-end components and made 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> a hi-tensile steel frame. At the time, I wasn't aware of Rivendell or 
>>>>>> Grant 
>>>>>> Petersen's design philosophy. I didn't pay much attention to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, looking at Homers but lacking the budget to build one, my 
>>>>>> mind went back to these:
>>>>>> https://www.brooklynbicycleco.com/collections/bedford-collection
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also appears that Grant designed their bikes in some capacity: 
>>>>>> https://www.brooklynbicycleco.com/blogs/journal/five-things-that-matter-on-bike-frame-geometry-with-grant-petersen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I cuckoo for thinking that this would be a good option for someone 
>>>>>> on a really tight budget or someone who has a partner or spouse who 
>>>>>> rides 
>>>>>> occasionally? I just emailed them about tire clearance and am waiting to 
>>>>>> hear back. From what I remember, they came stock with a 32 and had room 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> spare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

Nice setup. Those Tumbleweeds look sweet on there. Too many dang bars to 
choose from is the problem these days. Back in the day it was Cinelli or 
3TTT, 40 or 42.

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 6:55:40 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here ya go Paul
>
> Still needs some tweaks and waiting on my saddle so I'm breaking in the 
> Brooks for my fiancee
>
> Jared in Santa Cruz
>
> [image: IMG_2971.JPG]
> [image: IMG_2970.JPG]
> [image: IMG_2972.JPG]
>
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 7:29:36 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Good point. Which brings up the whole notion of weight limits. My guess 
>> is, the Susie is stouter than a vast majority of production bicycles out 
>> there. How many of them come with weight limits?
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:47:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Susie still available"
>>>
>>> Right now the problem is Will's update on the max weight was only in a 
>>> weekly email, it's not on the product page at rivbike.com. If I hadn't 
>>> seen that email I wouldn't have picked up a used one here a month ago. They 
>>> need to fix the page. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 3:22:52 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't quite get it either, why they still have Susies. Especially 
>>>> singe they upped the recommended weight another 50lbs, to 210. I've said 
>>>> it 
>>>> before, but I think the latest generation of Rivendells, led by the 
>>>> Hillibike models, represent some seriously high level, A-game bicycle 
>>>> design, arrived at through a lifetime of working with, thinking about, and 
>>>> riding bicycles. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark, that is one sweet Susie. Great colors and looks like a fun ride. 
>>>>> I wish Riv would sell out of the small Susies so I can stop being 
>>>>> tempted. 
>>>>> I've gotten down to just two bikes, an Atlantis and a Troll. I've barely 
>>>>> ridden the Troll since getting the Atlantis. Most of my riding is 
>>>>> pavement 
>>>>> (including plenty of rough roads) but I look for dirt whenever I can. I 
>>>>> could sell the Troll and replace with a Susie but I don't have much hilly 
>>>>> bike territory here. And the wheels wouldn't transfer so that would be a 
>>>>> pricey swap. I am surprised all the frames haven't been snatched up. My 
>>>>> birthday is in a month, if they still have frames I may have a nice 
>>>>> expensive present for myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim B in Chicago
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:53:30 PM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_20201101_075437064(1).jpg]
>>>>>> Oops, accidentally posted and then deleted the post, which was a 
>>>>>> little on the bizarre side anyway and I don't have time to recreate it, 
>>>>>> time to make dinner. The crank is a vintage Kooka: 
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow! Bitchin’ bike.
>>>>>>> Love the BMX stem. What crank is this? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 14:48, Mark Roland  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Went for  a lunchtime WFH ride to the hardware store today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Clearly I'm biased, but I can't imagine any bike riding better on 
>>>>>>>>> 50% gravel/singletrack.  Suzie is amazing.
>>>>>>>>> I'm new to "mountain" biking but she inspires a lot of confidence, 
>>>>>>>>> even in quick descents on rough terrain.  Totally smooth, responsive, 
>>>>>>>>> buttery.
>>>>>>>>> Before I got knobbies, I ran 55mm slicks and rode mostly roads and 
>>>>>>>>> it was awesome in that application as well.
>>>>>>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>>>>>>> paul
>>>>>>>>> takoma park, md.
>>>>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: $500 commuter bike as a low-budget AHH?

[Mark Roland]

Exactly. The Golf looks purposeful. Whereas if it were just a single door 
panel, it would look like a repair. That is my issue with the contrasting 
fork.

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 9:12:24 AM UTC-5 Jingy wrote:

>
> Mark- Are you looking for the bike equivalent of one of these?
> Jim in Mpls
> [image: Harlequin-Shot-1996.jpg]
> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 7:00:45 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Joe wrote: 
>> *I don't know much about Linus but I've never seen an ugly one. *
>>
>> This one might not be flat out ugly, but I would classify it as a bicycle 
>> fashion faux pas. It's one of those bikes done as a "collab" with a famous 
>> (or in this case, maybe not so famous?) designer. Apparently Clare V. is 
>> French but her company is in LA and makes handbags and accessories. 
>>
>> The problem I have with her colorway is that, for most people familiar 
>> with bicycles, when you see one with a completely different color fork 
>> (other than chrome, perhaps black) you think oh, the bike was wrecked and 
>> that is a replacement fork. The true cognescenti will then wonder if there 
>> is a ripple in the down tube. Not only did this bike suffer a front end 
>> collision, but it was rear-ended! It would be like designing a Tesla with a 
>> different colored hood and rear panel. Also the colors would remind me of 
>> Christmas every day. I think for this to work you would need to go further: 
>> yellow front fender, pale blue chaincase, white with polka dots saddle, 
>> purple grips. Now you wouldn't think replacement parts 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCJ6qB26YA>.
>>
>> Here's  a winter time passer for those of us in single digit temps this 
>> morning: If Rivendell were to do a "collab", who would you like to see 
>> sitting next to GP at the drawing board?
>>
>> [image: clare v bicycle.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:51:59 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know much about Linus but I've never seen an ugly one. Whomever 
>>> is behind that brand is *into *it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:08:49 PM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I actually looked at Brooklyn bicycles back in November of 2019 when I 
>>>> was looking to buy my first bike since middle school...I was 38 at the 
>>>> time. I REALLY wanted a Rivendell because of a buddy in college who sold 
>>>> me 
>>>> on the company, but wasn't going to spend that kind of money until I knew 
>>>> I 
>>>> loved riding. I really liked the look of the Bedfords. I e-mailed with 
>>>> Brooklyn and they recommended the Roebling for my height, and I didn't 
>>>> like 
>>>> it as much aesthetically. I had no idea Grant had anything to do with this 
>>>> company until last month! I ended up with a Linus Altore 7, which I 
>>>> honesty 
>>>> really liked and borderline loved it after swapping out a few things and 
>>>> making it a budget-build Riv-a-like. 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:33:49 PM UTC-6 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A Handsome Devil is basically a  tig-welded SAM.   It looks similar to 
>>>>> the bike you linked, but it's double-butted 4130 and has canti brakes.  
>>>>> Room for 45s without fenders, 38 with fenders.  I have one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Awhile back, I worked for a bike shop that had these as rentals. They 
>>>>>> were a nice ride but equipped with pretty low-end components and made 
>>>>>> with 
>>>>>> a hi-tensile steel frame. At the time, I wasn't aware of Rivendell or 
>>>>>> Grant 
>>>>>> Petersen's design philosophy. I didn't pay much attention to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, looking at Homers but lacking the budget to build one, my 
>>>>>> mind went back to these:
>>>>>> https://www.brooklynbicycleco.com/collections/bedford-collection
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also appears that Grant designed their bikes in some capacity: 
>>>>>> https://www.brooklynbicycleco.com/blogs/journal/five-things-that-matter-on-bike-frame-geometry-with-grant-petersen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I cuckoo for thinking that this would be a good option for someone 
>>>>>> on a really tight budget or someone who has a partner or spouse who 
>>>>>> rides 
>>>>>> occasionally? I just emailed them about tire clearance and am waiting to 
>>>>>> hear back. From what I remember, they came stock with a 32 and had room 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> spare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem L Complete (64cm)

[Mark Roland]

It is indeed amazing. And I believe the Clem L is no longer offered in this 
mega size. You could cut it up and reassemble as two smaller bikes.  I'm 
always a bit envious that the larger Clems retain the swooped seat stays. I 
think this deserves its own genre. Not a Monster Cross; how about a Monster 
Step Through, or Monster Dutch? Dutch Monster. *Monsterfiets*.

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:22:46 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> That's a heckuva deal. Worth that for the wheels and tires alone!(nearly) 
> Is that the standard boscomoose angle or the ultra rare nonstandard 
> version? Great bicycle.
> -Kai
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:02:24 AM UTC-5 Reid Echols wrote:
>
>> Hello Bunch, 
>>
>> Thanks to the purchase of a new Gus and the recent Albatrizing of my 
>> Atlantis, I am thinking it may be time to let the Clem go to someone who 
>> will ride it more often. It is listed as a complete, built as a 1x10 
>> cruiser with some nice upgrades (fillet-brazed Bosco Bullmoose bars, 
>> Velocity Cliffhanger wheels, tubeless Compass tires, Brooks saddle, NOS 
>> Gipiemme seat post, etc.). It’s a big bike: under 6’ 2” or so probably need 
>> not apply. This bike is a true magic carpet; rides smoothly and 
>> surprisingly spry-ly, built to last a lifetime.
>>
>> I'm asking essentially the retail price for a new Clem complete locally 
>> ($1650), which seems fair given the upgrades. However, for the RBW folks 
>> I'm willing to go a bit lower or entertain offers. Shipping will, as you 
>> might expect, be expensive, but I'd split professional pack and ship for 
>> the right buyer (and to support my LBS). 
>>
>> Photos here 
>> , 
>> but please let me know if this wonky new interface doesn't work. If you are 
>> unable to DM, my email is just my first and last name, all lower case, at 
>> gmail. 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Reid Echols 
>> in Austin, TX 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: $500 commuter bike as a low-budget AHH?

[Mark Roland]

Joe wrote: 
*I don't know much about Linus but I've never seen an ugly one. *

This one might not be flat out ugly, but I would classify it as a bicycle 
fashion faux pas. It's one of those bikes done as a "collab" with a famous 
(or in this case, maybe not so famous?) designer. Apparently Clare V. is 
French but her company is in LA and makes handbags and accessories. 

The problem I have with her colorway is that, for most people familiar with 
bicycles, when you see one with a completely different color fork (other 
than chrome, perhaps black) you think oh, the bike was wrecked and that is 
a replacement fork. The true cognescenti will then wonder if there is a 
ripple in the down tube. Not only did this bike suffer a front end 
collision, but it was rear-ended! It would be like designing a Tesla with a 
different colored hood and rear panel. Also the colors would remind me of 
Christmas every day. I think for this to work you would need to go further: 
yellow front fender, pale blue chaincase, white with polka dots saddle, 
purple grips. Now you wouldn't think replacement parts 
.

Here's  a winter time passer for those of us in single digit temps this 
morning: If Rivendell were to do a "collab", who would you like to see 
sitting next to GP at the drawing board?

[image: clare v bicycle.JPG]

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 12:51:59 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't know much about Linus but I've never seen an ugly one. Whomever is 
> behind that brand is *into *it.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 5:08:49 PM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I actually looked at Brooklyn bicycles back in November of 2019 when I 
>> was looking to buy my first bike since middle school...I was 38 at the 
>> time. I REALLY wanted a Rivendell because of a buddy in college who sold me 
>> on the company, but wasn't going to spend that kind of money until I knew I 
>> loved riding. I really liked the look of the Bedfords. I e-mailed with 
>> Brooklyn and they recommended the Roebling for my height, and I didn't like 
>> it as much aesthetically. I had no idea Grant had anything to do with this 
>> company until last month! I ended up with a Linus Altore 7, which I honesty 
>> really liked and borderline loved it after swapping out a few things and 
>> making it a budget-build Riv-a-like. 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:33:49 PM UTC-6 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> A Handsome Devil is basically a  tig-welded SAM.   It looks similar to 
>>> the bike you linked, but it's double-butted 4130 and has canti brakes.  
>>> Room for 45s without fenders, 38 with fenders.  I have one.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:23:42 PM UTC-5 Nick in Sac wrote:
>>>
 Awhile back, I worked for a bike shop that had these as rentals. They 
 were a nice ride but equipped with pretty low-end components and made with 
 a hi-tensile steel frame. At the time, I wasn't aware of Rivendell or 
 Grant 
 Petersen's design philosophy. I didn't pay much attention to them.

 However, looking at Homers but lacking the budget to build one, my mind 
 went back to these:
 https://www.brooklynbicycleco.com/collections/bedford-collection

 It also appears that Grant designed their bikes in some capacity: 
 https://www.brooklynbicycleco.com/blogs/journal/five-things-that-matter-on-bike-frame-geometry-with-grant-petersen

 Am I cuckoo for thinking that this would be a good option for someone 
 on a really tight budget or someone who has a partner or spouse who rides 
 occasionally? I just emailed them about tire clearance and am waiting to 
 hear back. From what I remember, they came stock with a 32 and had room to 
 spare.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

Good point. Which brings up the whole notion of weight limits. My guess is, 
the Susie is stouter than a vast majority of production bicycles out there. 
How many of them come with weight limits?
On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:47:05 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> "Susie still available"
>
> Right now the problem is Will's update on the max weight was only in a 
> weekly email, it's not on the product page at rivbike.com. If I hadn't 
> seen that email I wouldn't have picked up a used one here a month ago. They 
> need to fix the page. 
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 3:22:52 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> I don't quite get it either, why they still have Susies. Especially singe 
>> they upped the recommended weight another 50lbs, to 210. I've said it 
>> before, but I think the latest generation of Rivendells, led by the 
>> Hillibike models, represent some seriously high level, A-game bicycle 
>> design, arrived at through a lifetime of working with, thinking about, and 
>> riding bicycles. 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, that is one sweet Susie. Great colors and looks like a fun ride. I 
>>> wish Riv would sell out of the small Susies so I can stop being tempted. 
>>> I've gotten down to just two bikes, an Atlantis and a Troll. I've barely 
>>> ridden the Troll since getting the Atlantis. Most of my riding is pavement 
>>> (including plenty of rough roads) but I look for dirt whenever I can. I 
>>> could sell the Troll and replace with a Susie but I don't have much hilly 
>>> bike territory here. And the wheels wouldn't transfer so that would be a 
>>> pricey swap. I am surprised all the frames haven't been snatched up. My 
>>> birthday is in a month, if they still have frames I may have a nice 
>>> expensive present for myself.
>>>
>>> Tim B in Chicago
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:53:30 PM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_20201101_075437064(1).jpg]
>>>> Oops, accidentally posted and then deleted the post, which was a little 
>>>> on the bizarre side anyway and I don't have time to recreate it, time to 
>>>> make dinner. The crank is a vintage Kooka: 
>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow! Bitchin’ bike.
>>>>> Love the BMX stem. What crank is this? 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 14:48, Mark Roland  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Went for  a lunchtime WFH ride to the hardware store today.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clearly I'm biased, but I can't imagine any bike riding better on 
>>>>>>> 50% gravel/singletrack.  Suzie is amazing.
>>>>>>> I'm new to "mountain" biking but she inspires a lot of confidence, 
>>>>>>> even in quick descents on rough terrain.  Totally smooth, responsive, 
>>>>>>> buttery.
>>>>>>> Before I got knobbies, I ran 55mm slicks and rode mostly roads and 
>>>>>>> it was awesome in that application as well.
>>>>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>>>>> paul
>>>>>>> takoma park, md.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thanks and shout out to LBS

[Mark Roland]

Great looking bike. Enjoy!

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Adam,
>
> It looks lovely.  Happy riding for many thousands of miles!!!  I think 
> Keystone even featured your Hillborne on their IG stories and posts and I 
> wrote a note (I'm BicycleBertie).  Perhaps we'll meet up on my Joe 
> Appaloosa, AHHilsen, or my Platy!  I'm on the Schuylkill River Trail quite 
> a lot.   
>
> I've been following Zack for a couple of years as the only person in town 
> I'd let work on my Riv bikes.  When he and four friends opened Keystone 
> Bike, I followed him there.  And, now, I let any one of them work on my 
> bikes.  I trust them.  A month ago they did a fabulous job replacing the 
> Dyno light on my AHH and I'm beyond thrilled.  They have great attention to 
> detail and they appreciate all kinds of bikes, including Riv's (two of them 
> own Rivs).
>
> I"m so glad that you got both a fabulous ride and a new LBS!
>
> See you on SRT!
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:22:53 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi, new member here, been gathering a lot of info and thought I'd say 
>> thanks.
>>
>> Just wanted to thank the list--particularly the member who sold me the 
>> Hillborne frame a month or so ago. (won't call you out by name in case 
>> that's not what you want)
>>
>> I had it built up by a great "newish" LBS, Keystone Bicycle Co 
>>  here in Philly. If anyone in the area 
>> doesn't know about them (I didn't) it's a great shop. They did a wonderful, 
>> very simple build and were amazing to work with (so much great attention to 
>> detail, and super patient with my questions, decisions, etc)
>>
>> The bike's amazing, took it for a little ride in the cold rain yesterday, 
>> I'm blown away by the handling and responsiveness. I somehow didn't expect 
>> it to be so fast.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210126_192214101~2.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

I don't quite get it either, why they still have Susies. Especially singe 
they upped the recommended weight another 50lbs, to 210. I've said it 
before, but I think the latest generation of Rivendells, led by the 
Hillibike models, represent some seriously high level, A-game bicycle 
design, arrived at through a lifetime of working with, thinking about, and 
riding bicycles. 

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 12:22:59 PM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> Mark, that is one sweet Susie. Great colors and looks like a fun ride. I 
> wish Riv would sell out of the small Susies so I can stop being tempted. 
> I've gotten down to just two bikes, an Atlantis and a Troll. I've barely 
> ridden the Troll since getting the Atlantis. Most of my riding is pavement 
> (including plenty of rough roads) but I look for dirt whenever I can. I 
> could sell the Troll and replace with a Susie but I don't have much hilly 
> bike territory here. And the wheels wouldn't transfer so that would be a 
> pricey swap. I am surprised all the frames haven't been snatched up. My 
> birthday is in a month, if they still have frames I may have a nice 
> expensive present for myself.
>
> Tim B in Chicago
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:53:30 PM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_20201101_075437064(1).jpg]
>> Oops, accidentally posted and then deleted the post, which was a little 
>> on the bizarre side anyway and I don't have time to recreate it, time to 
>> make dinner. The crank is a vintage Kooka: 
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! Bitchin’ bike.
>>> Love the BMX stem. What crank is this? 
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 14:48, Mark Roland  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Went for  a lunchtime WFH ride to the hardware store today.
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Clearly I'm biased, but I can't imagine any bike riding better on 50% 
>>>>> gravel/singletrack.  Suzie is amazing.
>>>>> I'm new to "mountain" biking but she inspires a lot of confidence, 
>>>>> even in quick descents on rough terrain.  Totally smooth, responsive, 
>>>>> buttery.
>>>>> Before I got knobbies, I ran 55mm slicks and rode mostly roads and it 
>>>>> was awesome in that application as well.
>>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>>> paul
>>>>> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

Don't do it, Ray! I have many years of practice leaning bicycles. Plus, my 
Clem has a double kickstand, which makes up for NKS on the Susie.

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 12:43:54 PM UTC-5 Ray Evans wrote:

> It's almost worth ditching my kickstand to get that little gold monkey 
> mounted
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 9:23 AM Tim Baldwin  wrote:
>
>> Mark, that is one sweet Susie. Great colors and looks like a fun ride. I 
>> wish Riv would sell out of the small Susies so I can stop being tempted. 
>> I've gotten down to just two bikes, an Atlantis and a Troll. I've barely 
>> ridden the Troll since getting the Atlantis. Most of my riding is pavement 
>> (including plenty of rough roads) but I look for dirt whenever I can. I 
>> could sell the Troll and replace with a Susie but I don't have much hilly 
>> bike territory here. And the wheels wouldn't transfer so that would be a 
>> pricey swap. I am surprised all the frames haven't been snatched up. My 
>> birthday is in a month, if they still have frames I may have a nice 
>> expensive present for myself.
>>
>> Tim B in Chicago
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:53:30 PM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_20201101_075437064(1).jpg]
>>> Oops, accidentally posted and then deleted the post, which was a little 
>>> on the bizarre side anyway and I don't have time to recreate it, time to 
>>> make dinner. The crank is a vintage Kooka: 
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow! Bitchin’ bike.
>>>> Love the BMX stem. What crank is this? 
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 14:48, Mark Roland  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Went for  a lunchtime WFH ride to the hardware store today.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clearly I'm biased, but I can't imagine any bike riding better on 50% 
>>>>>> gravel/singletrack.  Suzie is amazing.
>>>>>> I'm new to "mountain" biking but she inspires a lot of confidence, 
>>>>>> even in quick descents on rough terrain.  Totally smooth, responsive, 
>>>>>> buttery.
>>>>>> Before I got knobbies, I ran 55mm slicks and rode mostly roads and it 
>>>>>> was awesome in that application as well.
>>>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>>>> paul
>>>>>> takoma park, md.
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Re: [RBW] Mixte vs Diamond Frame

[Mark Roland]

 Melanie wrote: T*hanks for everyone's thoughts on mixtes. So there is no 
difference in the ride per se, just some perceived advantages (aesthetics, 
ability to hop on/off without fear of hitting the top tube, ability to wear 
a sundress, LOL!). *

True to an extent. But not all mixtes are created equal.  You will not find 
a road+ (aka country bike) mixte that uses cantilever or v-brakes, that 
takes such wide tires, that has a luxuriously long wheelbase, that has 
attachments for racks & fenders, that comes in sizes to fit many riders, 
that has lugs and beautiful paint (I want that Legnano Green!) outside of a 
Rivendell Platypus.  Bonus for outrageous head badge. If I had not acquired 
the full Hillibike lineup (including tandem) in the last year, I would be 
putting my money on a Platypus.  Mixte zenith. Zenithauras. Zenithaur.

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-5 Melanie wrote:

> Thanks for everyone's thoughts on mixtes. So there is no difference in the 
> ride per se, just some perceived advantages (aesthetics, ability to hop 
> on/off without fear of hitting the top tube, ability to wear a sundress, 
> LOL!).  There are definitely times I wished that my Appaloosa had a lower 
> top tube. So now I'm trying to fight off a case of BBDD-induced Platypus 
> fever. Is there a vaccine?
>
> Melanie
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 8:47 AM Melanie  wrote:
>
>> All this discussion of mixtes on the list has made me curious. I’ve never 
>> ridden a mixte. Other than mounting/dismounting, do owners of both types of 
>> bikes experience any real differences between riding a mixte and riding a 
>> diamond frame?
>>
>> Mixte-curious Melanie 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: pretty step-through or mixte frameset for 5'4.25" rider

[Mark Roland]

Roberta wrote: *Mark's recommendations are for 26" wheels; I'm not sure 
what mine are for.* 

Actually the OP said ideally looking for a bike that takes 26" wheels, 
which makes sense for a rider who is 5'4.25"
Rivendell Clems use 26" wheels for the smalls.  I still like riding 26" 
bikes, even though I am 5' 10.3" (or I was a few years ago.)

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:58:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Mark's recommendations are for 26" wheels; I'm not sure what mine are for.
>
> Mark, funny, as I was telling BBDD just tonight that the bike I rode for 
> 30 years was a Hard Rock and I liked it a lot, except for the reach to the 
> handlebars.  I never knew I could get different handle bars to help my 
> aching neck and then be delighted.  Good for me, as it caused me to search 
> for a replacement and I found Rivendell.
>
> Andrew, I really did like the HR except for the (now understood) fixable 
> reach problem.   
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 9:16:44 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> [image: hardrock.jpg]
>>
>> This is pick up only and you don't say where you are located, but keep 
>> your eye out for 26" hybrids. They make excellent town & country bikes, 
>> especially for more petite  riders. This one has a neat paint job--just put 
>> on some silver v-brakes and a silver stem and bars, add a basket and rack 
>> if she is so inclined. I fixed up a 26" for a friend last summer:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 7:20:39 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Soma Buena Vista mixte.
>>>
>>> Handsome Cycles She-Devil.  You can choose from a large selections of 
>>> colors.  Sometimes, they have  a "color of the month" or free color of your 
>>> choice month.  I love mine for in city riding.  I can fit 38 marathons with 
>>> fenders.  I have the 16 speed version.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 6:38:51 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey group! 
>>>> 2 years ago, I proposed to my wife with a bike I built her but sadly, 
>>>> the frame is simply too big so I'm on the hunt. A step-through or mixte 
>>>> frameset would be ideal to hopefully add some wiggle room for frame size, 
>>>> but that's pretty much the only requirement other than a pretty paint job. 
>>>> In an ideal world it would fit 26" wheels, since that's what she's already 
>>>> rocking but again, not a deal breaker...not too many 26" mixte's out in 
>>>> the 
>>>> world!  
>>>>
>>>> This isn't her hobby, so we're not looking for rivendell-level quality 
>>>> here, just something a bit more confidence-inspiring. 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, 
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

Oops, accidentally posted and then deleted the post, which was a little on 
the bizarre side anyway and I don't have time to recreate it, time to make 
dinner. The crank is a vintage Kooka:



On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> Wow! Bitchin’ bike.
> Love the BMX stem. What crank is this? 
>
> On Jan 27, 2021, at 14:48, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Went for  a lunchtime WFH ride to the hardware store today.
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> Clearly I'm biased, but I can't imagine any bike riding better on 50% 
>>> gravel/singletrack.  Suzie is amazing.
>>> I'm new to "mountain" biking but she inspires a lot of confidence, even 
>>> in quick descents on rough terrain.  Totally smooth, responsive, buttery.
>>> Before I got knobbies, I ran 55mm slicks and rode mostly roads and it 
>>> was awesome in that application as well.
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

The crank is a vintage Kooka. It's a triple so I call it the Kooka Fran and 
Ollie. (I know, it's Kukla. I said Kooka when I was a kid.) The big ring is 
Fran, the middle is Ollie, and then you have granny Kooka.But I'm kidding. 
I don't have nicknames for my bike  parts, or even my bikes. Not that there 
is anything wrong with that practice, because there isn't.




On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> Wow! Bitchin’ bike.
> Love the BMX stem. What crank is this? 
>
> On Jan 27, 2021, at 14:48, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Went for  a lunchtime WFH ride to the hardware store today.
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:29 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> Clearly I'm biased, but I can't imagine any bike riding better on 50% 
>>> gravel/singletrack.  Suzie is amazing.
>>> I'm new to "mountain" biking but she inspires a lot of confidence, even 
>>> in quick descents on rough terrain.  Totally smooth, responsive, buttery.
>>> Before I got knobbies, I ran 55mm slicks and rode mostly roads and it 
>>> was awesome in that application as well.
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>> paul
>>> takoma park, md.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Mark Roland]

The Dia Compe 980 is a wide profile cantilever, so raising the straddle 
cable should not degrade the brake performance.

Last week Rivendell had Origin8 X-tra Pro V-brakes for sale. These have 
110mm arms, like the Tektro 849a, which are no longer available (you can 
get them in a couple of places overseas). This should give you enough 
clearance for fenders. Unfortunately, Riv is sold out. You can get them 
from other vendors.

For my Clem L, I originally was running Thunder Burts in 2.2 and wanted 
extra clearance, so I got the biggest 700c fenders from Velo Orange (63mm 
fluted) and re-radiused them for 650B. This should give you some additional 
clearance for your 27.5 Gus. VO has instructions on its blog on how to do 
this, fairly straightforward.

My Susie with Teravail Honcho 2.6" tires, like your Gus, has tons of room 
in the rear but it is getting close under the fork crown. Still doable, but 
if I were running fenders I would switch to the file tread of Rene Herse 
Antelope Hill ( 700 x 55/2.2"). Also, fenders would run afoul of the 
current v-brakes. Luckily, I have my Clem L if I need to ride in bad 
weather.



On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 1:55:44 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Ed,  I have 2.8 tires on wide (34i) rims on my 56/700c Susie and am trying 
> to figure out fenders too.   I just tried a set of SKS Bluemel 75s in case 
> this experience helps:
>
> There is plenty of frame clearance, even with a good gap to the tire.  As 
> seems to be the case with many Rivendells, the tightest spot was at the 
> bottom of the fork crown - not at the seat tube or chainstays or braces, as 
> you'd expect with other bikes.   I don't think I would have even needed to 
> notch the rear for chain clearance, but that's a function of bottom bracket 
> spindle length so YMMV.  However, I did have interference at the cantilever 
> straddle wire.   (I used cantis instead of v brakes specifically because I 
> wanted to run big tires and fenders, which wouldn't fit under V-brakes.)  
>
> I could solve this and make these fenders work by raising the straddle 
> wire a tiny bit, but I'm reluctant to becasue I think I have them adjusted 
> pretty well for power.  Or I could notch the edge of the fender to allow 
> the cable to cut through, but that seems dangerous.   A different canti arm 
> profile might help too.  (I'm using the Dia Compe 980.) I was going to try 
> an extra-wide straddle-wire hanger - which would proably solve it - but I 
> kind of decided that the black fenders don't look so good on the bike.   If 
> you have a different color scheme than me though and don't mind black, this 
> may be a pretty good solution.  They're nice looking and nicely-made 
> fenders - just not like the silver SKS that I'm accustomed to.
>
> My next step is going to be to try the Simworks/Honjo Flat 80 fender, but 
> they're super expensive so I need to make as many measurements as possible 
> first.  The advantage of using aluminum will be that I can deform them to 
> fit the fork crown better than plastic ones, where the critical clearance 
> point would otherwise be as noted above.
>
> Last option will be to use some Planet Bike 60mm fenders, even though 
> those wouldn't provide full coverage.
>
> Boils down to a lot of trial and error unfortunately, but I can at least 
> confirm that it will be possible in one way or another.   I'm going to put 
> the Bluemel 75 fenders on another bike soon but haven't yet, in case you'd 
> like me to take some photos of it mocked up.
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:45:11 AM UTC-7 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe,
>> Looks like its a choice between a 27.5 plus tire versus fender with 
>> smaller tires.
>> I will first try the half-fender you suggested.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Susie/Wolbis with 27.5 x 2.25 Thunder Burts. I have SKS P65 
>>> fenders which I have test-fitted but not mounted and it looks like it'll 
>>> work but it's close. The max tire for these frames is 2.8 and unfortunately 
>>> I think you're going to have to drop down closer to what I'm using to get 
>>> full fenders in that space, too. Another option is to get those half-fender 
>>> things that mountain bikers use, PDW has some options there. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 12:14:58 AM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>
 After a long wait, I finally received my GBW with 27.5 x 2.6" Bontrager 
 XR2 tires.
 Ever since I became a fan of Rivendell, I have been a fender convert 
 mostly using SKS fenders.

 Looking at the tire clearances of my GBW, it seems I do not have enough 
 space to install fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Mark Roland]

Elliptical tubing has been around for some time. It is not going to change 
the fact that a step through has limited triangulation. The Susie is a much 
different design than the Clem L. It does not hint that a lightweight Clem 
L should be coming soon. (In fact, the tubing specs on first Clems were 
even beefier than the current iteration. I will be surprised if it goes any 
lighter.

In fun, would you seriously upgrade to a new Clem L if it were ten ounces 
lighter than your current bike (can't be twelve, 'cause you got the two 
extra tubes joining the putative top tube to the down tube). You know what 
weighs ten ounces? My phone, and my watch. Your new wheels took off a lot 
more than that, apparently that still hasn't changed anything drastically. 
I really thought you were going to set the Platypus up differently, no  
fenders, no racks. This would do two things. It would make your "light" 
bike even lighter, and it would give you a built in reasons never to ignore 
your Clem L, when you need to go grocery shopping in the pouring rain. If 
it were me, I would strip down the Platypus and get some Rene Herse Barlow 
Pass Extra Lite tires and sign up for a local race or two. Just for fun.
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 7:50:05 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Mark said, “Second, I recall reading that the impetus to make a lighter 
> bicycle came from some of the employees, and they made their case to Grant. 
> Why offer it if weight doesn't matter? That is a good question, and in this 
> case, the Gus has been sold out since very quickly, whereas there are still 
> some Susies available. In reality, it is offered for the same reason you 
> can get a green Riv or a blue one or an orange one. Or if you are really 
> special, a raspberry. Rivendell has a rep for very sturdy bikes. I will 
> quote the quote from Rivendell's description of the Susie one more time:* The 
> frames are only about 12oz less, and there is NO ride difference.  
> (Emphasis Rivendell's).”*
>
> I think those Susies sat because:
> 1. Riv underestimated the weight limit, and there aren’t a lot of men 
> under 165 pounds. 
> 2. Most men would rather ride the masculine-monikered Gus than the 
> feminine-monikered Susie. I would also guess most of the Gus/Susie buyers 
> are men.
>
> Things change, even at Rivendell. Remember when it was all lugs, only 
> lugs, never not lugs? I’m encouraged that the staff sees the value in 
> cutting some frame weight where it can be done. Paul mused that the 
> ovalization at the seat tube might expand possibilities for future step 
> through frames. Does that hint that a Susie version of a Clem L could be 
> done?
>
> I can hope.
>
> In fun,
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 26, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> Second, I recall reading that the impetus to make a lighter bicycle came 
> from some of the employees, and they made their case to Grant. Why offer it 
> if weight doesn't matter? That is a good question, and in this case, the 
> Gus has been sold out since very quickly, whereas there are still some 
> Susies available. In reality, it is offered for the same reason you can get 
> a green Riv or a blue one or an orange one. Or if you are really special, a 
> raspberry. Rivendell has a rep for very sturdy bikes. I will quote the 
> quote from Rivendell's description of the Susie one more time:* The 
> frames are only about 12oz less, and there is NO ride difference.  
> (Emphasis Rivendell's).*
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Mark Roland]

 BBDD wrote:...*what of the Susie? That’s not a diamond frame. It’s got 
that swoopy top tube that must make it less strong than the diamond frame 
and Rivendell says to get it if you are of a certain weight. If weight 
doesn’t matter, then why offer the Susie? *

The top tube of the Susie meets the seat tube at a much higher point than 
the top tube of the Clem L.  It's much more equivalent to a  compact frame  
(sloped tt), not nearly a step through. Two things. First, they were 
apparently conservative regarding the recommended weight. That leads people 
to believe its some kind of super light tubing--165lbs?! Then they revised 
it up. Not sure what it is now--180?

Second, I recall reading that the impetus to make a lighter bicycle came 
from some of the employees, and they made their case to Grant. Why offer it 
if weight doesn't matter? That is a good question, and in this case, the 
Gus has been sold out since very quickly, whereas there are still some 
Susies available. In reality, it is offered for the same reason you can get 
a green Riv or a blue one or an orange one. Or if you are really special, a 
raspberry. Rivendell has a rep for very sturdy bikes. I will quote the 
quote from Rivendell's description of the Susie one more time:
* The frames are only about 12oz less, and there is NO ride difference.  
(Emphasis Rivendell's).* 

I suspect the "lightweight" Susie is still safely within Riv parameters, 
but there will be folks that like the idea of a trimmed down frameset just 
because (me included, since I already own a Clem L. Also they had no more 
Gus in the Large, and I wanted it to be as different as possible from my 
Medium El Clem. Because other than that and a few details and the fact that 
the Gus/Susie has the beautiful fillet brazed joint, I am pretty sure if 
the bikes were set up as identical as possible, and there was some way I 
could ride without opening my eyes, I would have a hard time telling 
whether I was on my Susie or El Clem. Certainly doubt I could distinguish 
between a Gus and a Susie any more than random chance.

Carrying weight on handlebars or in saddlebags, yes you notice the 
weight--as a balance/handling shift (unless you are talking about a full 
touring load). You can distribute the bags to achieve more balance, but 
with a full 30-pound touring load, yeah, you'll notice that going up a hill 
for sure.



On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:19:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yes, we might be missing that part. I don’t know about step-throughs in 
> history - I’ve only had the Clementine, so I didn’t know they tend to be 
> beefy. 
>
> But then, what of the Susie? That’s not a diamond frame. It’s got that 
> swoopy top tube that must make it less strong than the diamond frame and 
> Rivendell says to get it if you are of a certain weight. If weight doesn’t 
> matter, then why offer the Susie?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 26, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> 
>
> You are missing the other half of the argument.  There is a reason 
> virtually every step through out there runs the gamut from beefy to tank 
> like: the design of a step through frame does not lend itself to being 
> created from a lightweight tube set. I don't think many frame builders 
> would be eager to take it on, even for a relatively lighter rider, though 
> one who most definitely puts out power above her weight class, another 
> consideration. I don't think Rivendell would do it as a custom. I could of 
> course be wrong. One last time, there is a reason the basic safety bicycle 
> ended up as a diamond frame, ie, two triangles. Go away from that and you 
> need to start beefing up your tubing. This is why you see the designs of 
> the true step throughs above with one or two tubes connecting the two tubes 
> running from head tube to seat tube.  A mixte is essentially the same 
> physical structure as a diamond with a very sloped top tube. Which is why 
> you can't step through it. Make it low enough to step through, and you lose 
> the remaining strength of the triangle and need to compensate somewhere 
> else.
>
> Sure, Rivendells get criticized by lots of people for being "overbuilt." 
> Many (even/especially overweight men) would say that even of Leah's 
> Platypus. But of all the bikes in the Riv lineup to attempt to put on a 
> diet, the Clem L is not the one to pick. *Vive la difference.*
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:36:08 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> *Disclaimer: I promised myself I wouldn't come back to this thread and 
>> get into a debate about lightness but I'm Joe Bernard, world reknown for 
>> not knowing when to shut up! So here goes..
>>
>> In this very specific case of a very light and strong rider who's already 
>> got that motor in tip-top shape, the weig

Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Mark Roland]

You are missing the other half of the argument.  There is a reason 
virtually every step through out there runs the gamut from beefy to tank 
like: the design of a step through frame does not lend itself to being 
created from a lightweight tube set. I don't think many frame builders 
would be eager to take it on, even for a relatively lighter rider, though 
one who most definitely puts out power above her weight class, another 
consideration. I don't think Rivendell would do it as a custom. I could of 
course be wrong. One last time, there is a reason the basic safety bicycle 
ended up as a diamond frame, ie, two triangles. Go away from that and you 
need to start beefing up your tubing. This is why you see the designs of 
the true step throughs above with one or two tubes connecting the two tubes 
running from head tube to seat tube.  A mixte is essentially the same 
physical structure as a diamond with a very sloped top tube. Which is why 
you can't step through it. Make it low enough to step through, and you lose 
the remaining strength of the triangle and need to compensate somewhere 
else.

Sure, Rivendells get criticized by lots of people for being "overbuilt." 
Many (even/especially overweight men) would say that even of Leah's 
Platypus. But of all the bikes in the Riv lineup to attempt to put on a 
diet, the Clem L is not the one to pick. *Vive la difference.*

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 2:36:08 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> *Disclaimer: I promised myself I wouldn't come back to this thread and get 
> into a debate about lightness but I'm Joe Bernard, world reknown for not 
> knowing when to shut up! So here goes..
>
> In this very specific case of a very light and strong rider who's already 
> got that motor in tip-top shape, the weight of the frame is going to 
> matter. Swapping out to custom wheels and better (and tubeless) tires isn't 
> in the offing because that's already been done to these bikes. Does this 
> mean Riv production frames are too heavy? Of course not, it just means 
> they're built to a standard the average buyer can ride without snapping in 
> half. Which brings us to the Custom Clem idea, which - this is the part 
> where I start repeating myself and drive y'all crazy - I wouldn't approach 
> as "Hey can you make me a superlight frame?" It's simply a matter of having 
> a frame designed around the rider's height and weight, plus expected level 
> of poundage to be carried in bags. This is how my bike was built and while 
> it's certainly not a superlight as I'm not a superlight rider, it's lighter 
> than any production Riv I've ever owned (and I've owned a bunch). Noticably 
> out of the box and noticably built up and ridden. 
>
> As the old adage goes, less weight costs more money. A custom frame is 
> more expensive than a production frame and one of the luxuries you pay for 
> is it can be built to a max weight limit I and most of the dudes in this 
> thread probably couldn't ride. Because it's custom and not for us! I think 
> this bike would be spectacular. 
>
> Joe "for the love of Pete is he still talking?" Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 8:36:22 AM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
> CA wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> …
>>>
>> So, what about bike weight? I spent 2020 trying to log 3,000 miles, and 
>>> nearly all of those miles were on my big, blue Clementine. I bought new 
>>> wheels and a tubeless tire set up and it noticeably lightened the bike, and 
>>> it helped with the hills. But even so, I was never fast; I gave up trying 
>>> to chase roadies up Killer Hill because I never caught them. When my 
>>> boys were little and we began to bike to their new school (Killer Hill 
>>> stood between it and us) I got my littler son, a 1st grader, a new bike 
>>> with gears. A Giant in neon yellow. He was demoralized by that hill every 
>>> day, while my 4th grade son had no trouble. One day I realized that the 24 
>>> inch Specialized was lighter than the 20 inch Giant. Ugh. I had put no 
>>> thought into the weight of the bike - possibly because I was influenced 
>>> here. That day, I bought an Islabike and my little boy danced up the hill 
>>> and beat us all from that day forward. 
>>>
>>> When the Platy came, magically, I was quick. I catch and pass men on 
>>> road bikes all the time now, Bosco bars and all. My bike feels too easy to 
>>> pedal even in its hardest gear. It’s not a workout for me, even up Killer 
>>> Hill. It’s easy and it’s fun. …
>>>
>>
>> You can't argue against physics. A couple of pound here or there won't 
>> really make a big difference on most rides, especially if you're just on a 
>> bike ride. A full water bottle is about 1.5 pounds, for example, and I 
>> can't usually tell if my two water bottles are full or empty on rides (I 
>> have to shake them). Thus, your comment about suddenly being able to catch 
>> and pass men on road bikes because you're 

Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Mark Roland]

Agree and agree. A number of folks, including me, have mentioned tires as a 
much bigger factor than weight in these threads. I went so far as to put RH 
Switchback Hill (the Extra Lite version!) on my Clem L.  I assume the frame 
and fork may be heavier than my Susie, and the overall bike certainly is, 
what with Dyno lighting, racks, panniers, and fenders. But as I reported, 
the Susie currently has Teravail Honchos vs. the Switchbacks, and obviously 
no contest. (My wallet, unlike yours, is not what I would call amused. But 
it does not begrudge the expense.)

However, I think the difference in ride that BBDD is perceiving is more 
than placebo. I think, along with tires, the design of the frame and the 
rider setup and the larger wheels will all contribute to a different feel. 
Any *significant* increase in speed for a given wattage output might be 
debatable, but in terms of perception, a real thing. It's partly why it can 
be hard to convince ex-racers that a 38mm tire pumped to 60 psi rolls as 
fast as a 25mm pumped to 90 psi -- the body is conditioned to perceive the 
harsher ride as faster.

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 11:36:22 AM UTC-5 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
CA wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 7:50:25 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> …
>>
> So, what about bike weight? I spent 2020 trying to log 3,000 miles, and 
>> nearly all of those miles were on my big, blue Clementine. I bought new 
>> wheels and a tubeless tire set up and it noticeably lightened the bike, and 
>> it helped with the hills. But even so, I was never fast; I gave up trying 
>> to chase roadies up Killer Hill because I never caught them. When my 
>> boys were little and we began to bike to their new school (Killer Hill 
>> stood between it and us) I got my littler son, a 1st grader, a new bike 
>> with gears. A Giant in neon yellow. He was demoralized by that hill every 
>> day, while my 4th grade son had no trouble. One day I realized that the 24 
>> inch Specialized was lighter than the 20 inch Giant. Ugh. I had put no 
>> thought into the weight of the bike - possibly because I was influenced 
>> here. That day, I bought an Islabike and my little boy danced up the hill 
>> and beat us all from that day forward. 
>>
>> When the Platy came, magically, I was quick. I catch and pass men on road 
>> bikes all the time now, Bosco bars and all. My bike feels too easy to pedal 
>> even in its hardest gear. It’s not a workout for me, even up Killer Hill. 
>> It’s easy and it’s fun. …
>>
>
> You can't argue against physics. A couple of pound here or there won't 
> really make a big difference on most rides, especially if you're just on a 
> bike ride. A full water bottle is about 1.5 pounds, for example, and I 
> can't usually tell if my two water bottles are full or empty on rides (I 
> have to shake them). Thus, your comment about suddenly being able to catch 
> and pass men on road bikes because you're on a Platypus can't really be 
> supported by physics, if indeed weight is the only differentiator. I also 
> suspect you may be severely underestimating the concept of placebos and 
> that extra 100 watts a new bike can bring. :)
>
> I'm fortunate enough to have too many bikes, from lightweight, mostly 
> carbon+titanium wonders that'll probably float away with a strong breeze, 
> to my stout Atlantis that weighs more than my Wilbury (here's the mixte 
> reference for relevance!) because it has front-rear racks, full stainless 
> fenders, basket, dynamo lights, and a heavy Abus lock on it full-time. 
> Anyway, on longish climbs (e.g., Kings Mountain or Old La Honda, which 
> averages almost 8% for 3-4 miles), when I'm just tooling along with friends 
> and not trying to make PR, I can't tell the difference between my 
> lightweight wonder and my moderately heavy 24lb randonneur (Riv custom, 
> also with fenders, dynamo light, front rack, etc), based on a clock; that's 
> almost a 10 lb "penalty" I can't feel if I'm not actively looking for it. 
> Come to think of it, on leisure rides, I've intentionally taken my 
> super-duty Atlantis because it can carry all sorts of goodies for the 
> post-ride snacking, and I wasn't penalized or regretful of the decision.
>
> What I have found to really impact the "feel" of the bike, in terms of 
> responsiveness and subjective "lightness", is the tire. On the same exact 
> bikes, having supple, better rolling tires such as the Rene Herse tires can 
> make a night-day difference, compared to lesser tires such as the Schwalbe 
> Kojak or even the evergreen Pasela. I haven't really measured the objective 
> differences with a stopwatch, but I wouldn't ride those tires on fun rides, 
> just from the feel alone. In fact, I've gone so far as to switch over all 
> my bikes to nice rolling tires, predominantly RH tires, Pari-Motos, Hetre 
> Extra Leger, Challenge Paris-Roubaix, and ThunderBurts, much to my wallet's 
> "amusement". I've also managed to convince skeptical 

[RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Mark Roland]

I also have a Berceau mixte. Awaiting a complete redo this spring, 
including paint. Using Philip's rating system, definitely this one would be 
Hot.

On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 11:00:30 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> You're on the wrong list advocating for French spelling, since RBW does 
> not even spell derailleur correctly (that's mostly in tribute to SB).
> I'm not going to argue what is a mixte vs. what is a step through. If you 
> want to call your mixte a step through (do people who claim this even have 
> a mixte?) by all means, knock yourself out. Over the history of the many 
> variations of bicycle frames, certain ones have stuck and been referred to 
> in certain ways. If you want to cancel that, oh well.
>
> To the matter of construction, if you go to the Rivendell page for brakes, 
> you will read this:
> *Don't go to the Hof Brau if you're a vegan, and don't shop for disc 
> brakes here. *
>
> And you might want to add, don't shop there for the lightest bicycles, 
> custom or not. It's just not their thing, it doesn't jive with how they see 
> the best use of bicycles. Striving for light weight as even a secondary 
> goal is against the all purpose utility of a Rivendell. (I also suspect 
> Grant was put off a bit by the tendency of some MB-0 bikes to not hold up 
> well under hard use. But that is total conjecture and speculation.)
>
> Here is another Rivendell quote, from the Susie/Wolbis description:
> *The frames are only about 12oz less, and there is NO ride difference.*
>
> So now put on racks, fenders, lights, bags, snacks, water bottle. Are you 
> going to be able to toss around one more easily than the other.? Will you 
> notice the difference taking it off a car rack? Let me tell you that the 
> Susie is no gossamer lightweight. These are Rivendells. They are Rivendell 
> Hillibikes. It's all relative. This is OS tubing and it is not thinwall. 
>
> Yeah, there are custom builders who will build you a beautiful lightweight 
> mixte. Bryan of Royal H. Cycles in Boston built one to Lovely 
> Bicycle/Veloria/Constance's specs a decade ago.  (It was for sale for a 
> long time on ebay, but whatever her motivation for selling, she certainly 
> loved it initially. From her blog: *It is freakishly light, and 
> luxuriously, almost abnormally comfortable while at the same time being 
> faster and more responsive than any upright bicycle I have ridden before. 
> It is more responsive than the vintage mixte, "Marianne," I used to own, 
> which I had complained was "twitchy". * )But that is a mixte, not a step 
> through. I'm not sure how many builders would be willing or able to tackle 
> a step-through. I don't know if they could bend lightweight tubing into the 
> necessary shapes. Even if they could, I suspect they would decline due to 
> potential for not such a great ride as discussed above.
>
> Mark in Beacon currently with four mixtes, the best step through in the 
> world (*El Clem* of course), and a SusieSwoop.
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:20:59 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Well that's quite the fascinating list. So the Platypus (and Cheviot and 
>> Betty Foy) are Mixte Sports! But now we need a name for my custom which is 
>> sorta like the Rosco "Mountain Mixte", and I would include the Gus/Susie in 
>> there, too. They have dropped toptubes compared to a traditional diamond 
>> frame, but it's more in the range of modern mountain bikes if you imagined 
>> that those frames had taller seattubes holding shorter posts. I had a 
>> German ebike with a "mid-dropped" tube they called Low-Step, and Velo 
>> Orange has a Low Kicker now. But we need something cooler, and the more 
>> French and harder to spell the better. Your move, Philip!
>>
>> Joe "yes, it's a trip-thru when I do it" Bernard
>>
>> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 11:40:12 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> I have only ever heard mixtes referred to as a kind of step-through 
>>> bicycle, not as separate concepts. “All mixtes are step-through frames, but 
>>> not all frames are mixtes 
>>> <https://www.biketinker.com/2014/bike-art/types-of-step-through-frames/>
>>> .”
>>>
>>> To my eye, the Clem L design starts out as an “Anglais,” and kicks in a 
>>> little “col de cigne” at the seat tube, for style.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 8:07:56 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is not correct. A mixte is not a step through. Because, at least 
>>>> without serious contortions for a normal person, you can't step through 
>>

[RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Mark Roland]

You're on the wrong list advocating for French spelling, since RBW does not 
even spell derailleur correctly (that's mostly in tribute to SB).
I'm not going to argue what is a mixte vs. what is a step through. If you 
want to call your mixte a step through (do people who claim this even have 
a mixte?) by all means, knock yourself out. Over the history of the many 
variations of bicycle frames, certain ones have stuck and been referred to 
in certain ways. If you want to cancel that, oh well.

To the matter of construction, if you go to the Rivendell page for brakes, 
you will read this:
*Don't go to the Hof Brau if you're a vegan, and don't shop for disc brakes 
here. *

And you might want to add, don't shop there for the lightest bicycles, 
custom or not. It's just not their thing, it doesn't jive with how they see 
the best use of bicycles. Striving for light weight as even a secondary 
goal is against the all purpose utility of a Rivendell. (I also suspect 
Grant was put off a bit by the tendency of some MB-0 bikes to not hold up 
well under hard use. But that is total conjecture and speculation.)

Here is another Rivendell quote, from the Susie/Wolbis description:
*The frames are only about 12oz less, and there is NO ride difference.*

So now put on racks, fenders, lights, bags, snacks, water bottle. Are you 
going to be able to toss around one more easily than the other.? Will you 
notice the difference taking it off a car rack? Let me tell you that the 
Susie is no gossamer lightweight. These are Rivendells. They are Rivendell 
Hillibikes. It's all relative. This is OS tubing and it is not thinwall. 

Yeah, there are custom builders who will build you a beautiful lightweight 
mixte. Bryan of Royal H. Cycles in Boston built one to Lovely 
Bicycle/Veloria/Constance's specs a decade ago.  (It was for sale for a 
long time on ebay, but whatever her motivation for selling, she certainly 
loved it initially. From her blog: *It is freakishly light, and 
luxuriously, almost abnormally comfortable while at the same time being 
faster and more responsive than any upright bicycle I have ridden before. 
It is more responsive than the vintage mixte, "Marianne," I used to own, 
which I had complained was "twitchy". * )But that is a mixte, not a step 
through. I'm not sure how many builders would be willing or able to tackle 
a step-through. I don't know if they could bend lightweight tubing into the 
necessary shapes. Even if they could, I suspect they would decline due to 
potential for not such a great ride as discussed above.

Mark in Beacon currently with four mixtes, the best step through in the 
world (*El Clem* of course), and a SusieSwoop.
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:20:59 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well that's quite the fascinating list. So the Platypus (and Cheviot and 
> Betty Foy) are Mixte Sports! But now we need a name for my custom which is 
> sorta like the Rosco "Mountain Mixte", and I would include the Gus/Susie in 
> there, too. They have dropped toptubes compared to a traditional diamond 
> frame, but it's more in the range of modern mountain bikes if you imagined 
> that those frames had taller seattubes holding shorter posts. I had a 
> German ebike with a "mid-dropped" tube they called Low-Step, and Velo 
> Orange has a Low Kicker now. But we need something cooler, and the more 
> French and harder to spell the better. Your move, Philip!
>
> Joe "yes, it's a trip-thru when I do it" Bernard
>
> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 11:40:12 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> I have only ever heard mixtes referred to as a kind of step-through 
>> bicycle, not as separate concepts. “All mixtes are step-through frames, but 
>> not all frames are mixtes 
>> <https://www.biketinker.com/2014/bike-art/types-of-step-through-frames/>
>> .”
>>
>> To my eye, the Clem L design starts out as an “Anglais,” and kicks in a 
>> little “col de cigne” at the seat tube, for style.
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>
>> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 8:07:56 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> This is not correct. A mixte is not a step through. Because, at least 
>>> without serious contortions for a normal person, you can't step through it. 
>>> They are two separate designs. A mixte can more easily accomodate certain 
>>> clothing choices, and with more clearance allow for sliding off the saddle 
>>> for frequent stopping in city traffic. Can also be mounted similar to a 
>>> step through if you lean it enough or step like a Rockette.
>>>
>>> Step throughs do not have the same triangulation found in a diamond 
>>> frame, or even a mixte. (This is also why mixtes with twin, side by side 
>>> skinny top tubes are often rather nood

[RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Mark Roland]

This is not correct. A mixte is not a step through. Because, at least 
without serious contortions for a normal person, you can't step through it. 
They are two separate designs. A mixte can more easily accomodate certain 
clothing choices, and with more clearance allow for sliding off the saddle 
for frequent stopping in city traffic. Can also be mounted similar to a 
step through if you lean it enough or step like a Rockette.

Step throughs do not have the same triangulation found in a diamond frame, 
or even a mixte. (This is also why mixtes with twin, side by side skinny 
top tubes are often rather noodley in larger sizes and/or carrying loads.) 
Start using very light tubing on a step through, and you will start to 
introduce a bad kind of flex--especially if you want to carry a thing or 
two, which is part of the point of a Clem L, no? A loaded 59cm Clem L 
apparently verges on this unwanted flexing, according to reports out of 
Rivendell during the early days of the Clems.

Even if you designed it using the same tubing as a Susie, by the time you 
add everything back on, you will hardly have made a difference in terms of 
ride response, other than to possibly introduce  unwanted flexing under 
load. Unlike peanut butter and chocolate, some combinations are just not 
meant to be; they are contradictory by their very nature. Learn to mount 
the Platypus like a regular diamond frame until you hit your 70s or 80s, or 
practice leaning it away from you before performing the step through. In 
any case, I suspect it's those big ole cowgirl boots causing the problem;^)

On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 11:56:42 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Kai, 
>
> I think the whole mixte/step-through thing can get convoluted and 
> confusing because a lot of frames we nominally call mixtes apparently 
> aren't. I believe - I could be wrong - the only true mixte is the Platypus 
> frame style (also Purple Riv Ana's) where the dropped toptube meets a third 
> set of stays that travel all the way to the rear of the frame. Therefore 
> your Rosco Mixte and my Riv Custom Mixte are really step-throughs. But mine 
> is higher than the Platypus mixte and Clem L step-through so what the heck 
> do you call *that?*
>
> What I *think* Leah is asking is if there's ever been a Riv Custom 
> step-through with a really low toptube, and I can't remember one. But it 
> sure would be sweet, it could be done with a combination of lugs and fillet 
> joints just like mine got. Check out the pic and imagine my toptube was 
> dropped way lower, then did that nice Clemmy curve at the bottom to meet 
> the seattube with a fillet weld. Someone should order this! I'll bet it 
> would look great in Raspberry Metallic 
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 8:24:05 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Where does step through start? I consider my Rosco mountain a step 
>> through, but I do need to lift my leg a bit. I think Clem L is lower, but 
>> I've never swung a leg through one.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 11:21:14 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's a famous one in Seattle, it's purple. Maybe not step through 
>>> enough? Pretty step through though..
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 You know I’m a Clem-lover, and mine took me through the worst days of 
 my life this last year. It’s nearly perfect and has only one tiny flaw - 
 it’s a bit heavy/overbuilt for a woman my size. I’m also a Platypus lover, 
 and it’s only drawback is that I miss my step-through top tube. Otherwise 
 both bikes are perfect.

 I was on a night ride tonight, and when I nearly kicked my top tube I 
 wondered...has anyone made a custom step-through? And why ever not?

 If Rivendell ever saw fit to make a Susie Clem, I’d jump. But I don’t 
 think there are plans for that, so I’m left to wonder...what a custom step 
 through could be like... This is speculation only. But isn’t it kind of 
 fun?
 Leah

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Mb-1 closest modern riv relative

[Mark Roland]

Nice rig, Daniel. I would not consider going to v-brakes a de facto 
"upgrade" but to each there own. Not only do I like the classic look and 
feel of cantilever brakes, but you will need to address the lever situation 
if you keep the drop bars. Then again, I also like triples, especially 
where I live and as I get wiser...

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 3:31:48 PM UTC-5 Daniel M wrote:

> [image: 511274B5-03E0-4ADD-8A84-14EF17677E1C.jpeg]
> Not my primary ride but every time I take it out I marvel at what a good 
> road AND trail bike it is. It's gonna get upgraded to V-brakes and 
> wide-range 2x, plus fenders and dyno, before too long.
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 10:34:32 AM UTC-8 tommc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> MB1
>> [image: IMG_20200905_143247899_HDR.jpg][image: 
>> IMG_20200905_143302905_HDR.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 8:22:13 AM UTC-7 Pete B wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious how a Hunqapillar compares to the MB-1 and its 
>>> contemporaries.
>>>
>>> I've had a Trek 950 with Albatross bars since 2011, after following 
>>> advice in the RR to Riv-ify a old MTB frame. I toyed with the idea of 
>>> replacing the 950 with a Hunq several years ago, but it rides nicely. I 
>>> purchased a Rosco Bubbe road instead. I'm glad I did. With horizontal 
>>> dropouts and clearance for 700x50, the Bubbe is even more versatile, I 
>>> think, than the Trek. Still, I've always enjoyed putting Riv parts on the 
>>> 950 and I recently re-built it with Silver 2 thumbshifters, a Riv chainring 
>>> guard and a Nitto HiRiser stem. I would've preferred the Wavie bar but it 
>>> was sold out, so I found a similar Nitto riser bar. A little more backsweep 
>>> would be nice, but I'm still getting used to it. I'm not a mountain biker, 
>>> but my intention is to take it out on nearby beginner trails, and finally 
>>> learn how to lift the front wheel over obstacles, lol.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>> Arlington, VA
>>>
>>> [image: Trek_950_2021.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 2:43:00 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Old = Sold :)

 On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 1:36:44 PM UTC-6 Philip Barrett wrote:

> Thanks...that one is old but I'm working on a couple more, here's a 
> sneak "before" preview of something I found this weekend for $160;
>
> [image: PXL_20210110_235059925.jpg]
>
> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 11:28:07 AM UTC-6 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> Beautiful build 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 5:58 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Until 2 weeks ago I was still riding mine. Finally let it go via 
>>> ebay.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20201220_204049405.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 10, 2021 at 5:17:14 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 A lightweight, low stack mountain bike? Nothing at Riv is like this 
 anymore.

 On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:18 AM Sam Perez  
 wrote:

> Hi all,
> What is the closest modern riv relative to the bridgestone MB-1?  
> And is anyone still riding them? Feel free to share pics! 
>
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