One thing, I think, that separates Riv road bikes from other brands is the
maintaining of good fit AND handling geometry at the smaller frame sizes
this thread is dealing with. The 700c wheel size has to be dealt with
because they physically "get in the way" of good geometry more as the
frames
I don't have a cream-accented Rivendell to compare directly to my Roadeo,
but on its own, one would call it white (with red accents), not cream. In
reality, it is an off white that was selected specifically to soften the
overall look of the bike just a tad. I confirmed this with Mark Abele at
In sizes larger than 57cm, the tubing for Roadeo isn't much different than
their other previous road-going designs and is similar to the Ram and AHH.
It's the size 57 and below that gets the light 7/4/7 tubing...at least for
the original Waterford-built renditions. Based on that, my guess is
I'm primarily a road rider on a Roadeo. I started with a Dream Bar,
switched to a Mark's Bar, then a Noodle. Then I tried a Compass Maes
Parallel. Now I'm back to the Noodle and have determined it's the best for
me for now. #teamnoodle
On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 5:56:18 PM UTC-7
Interesting how low the seat tube bottle cage mount is.
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
> Here's one more then. Nice freezing cold evening ride.[image: roadini.jpg]
>
> Bones
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:06:43 PM UTC-5 zem...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>>
And wheel/tire weight can make a difference on steering feel too. When I
ride my Roadeo unloaded on spirited road rides, I like the more lively
turn-in of lightweight 32mm Soma Supple Vitesse tires (250 grams). They
allow precise steering adjustment mid-corner due to less gyroscopic force
in
dimensions may have been updated since)
>
> Nonetheless I have been wanting to buy a pair of JBs for fenderless days
> and am now inclined to try the combination. Thanks for posting that!
>
>
> On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 11:54:50 AM UTC+8, Paul G wrote:
>>
>> The b
I forgot to mention that there are 20mm of spacers total.
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Austin,
I forgot to mention that there are 20mm of headset spacers total.
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Austin, when my frameset arrived from Waterford to Rivendell, the fork steerer
was cut to length after Mark at Rivendell called me and asked how tall the
stack of spacers ought to be. I sensed there was latitude depending on my
desired bar height and future height potential. I decided to use
The bar is a 44cm Nitto 177 Noodle on an 8cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe.
Crank set is a 46x30 Velo Orange Grand Cru 175mm.
Pedals are Shimano 105 5700 era.
I originally had SKS Longboards on but the front one broke so I replaced the
front with a Chromoplastics version of the P45 with a PB mudflap
I, too, am having this issue. For me, it happened after going from an
Ultegra 10-speed chain and cassette to a KMC chain and MicroShift cassette,
both in 9-speed. However, the "grinding" sensation didn't happen
immediately, but after about 150-200 miles (after the first chain re-lubing
with
Beautiful, Brian. Love the green and cream accents.
Regarding the L vs R question above re: pavement use, the Roadeo has a slightly
lower bottom bracket than the Legolas. I think that might be beneficial for
handling feel while descending on the road when compared to the Legolas' better
Nice job! What's the size?
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Rod, how do the Portland / Oregon Cyclewear jerseys compare to the
MUSA/Kucharik ones as far as weight and quality is concerned?
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Funny thing is that I've had down tube shifters on my Roadeo for a total of
maybe one month over the nearly six years I've had it. I'm not really getting
my money's worth on those DT shifter bosses! But at least I have the option if
inspiration strikes again.
I'm glad the Roadeo is still
Roadeos don't have DT shifter bosses for two reasons. Firstly, the Roadeo
was designed to be as light as possible and still meet Grant's requirements
for strength and durability (I guess cable stop braze ons are lighter than
DT shifter bosses) and, secondly, since the bike is an alternative to
Fascinating. A picture of this setup would be great if you have one, Laing.
Paul
On Friday, May 17, 2019 at 9:08:17 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
>
> I was talking about the stays. The L bracket attaches to the fender with
> the thick hardware facing out, thin button head or rivet head inside the
>
Lots of good ideas here and from others. Yes, I was assuming stock supplied
hardware but obviously one does not have to use it. When using the stock
mounting hardware on some of the traditionally styled metal fenders, the
hardware itself is what can limit vertical clearance. Some modern metal
Rivendell used to market their Roadeos with Jack Browns and SKS P45s
(Chromoplastics or Longboards) all the time. Perhaps they are no longer
comfortable with that combination and limit the use of fenders with 28mm wide
tires to protect themselves if a customer had a crash because something got
I used to have all sorts of auto shifting and slipping Silver levers on the
downtube of my Roadeo when putting down power, especially when standing. Those
problems don't exist as bar ends on the same bike. Not sure why that is. I even
bees waxed the screws in both locations. I really like them
Nice bit of information.
Regarding the Noodles though, at least on my 44cm version, instead of a
slight "rise" from the stem clamp area to the ramps, there is a slight
"drop" in that the tops slope downwards slightly (as well as a bit rearward
as we know) before curving to the front and
Thanks for the responses. And forgive me for the spelling errors in my
original post. Good grief! I should proofread more thoroughly before
posting!
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For those of you whole run centerpulls or cantilevers, do you have problems
with the rear brake cable and/or straddle cable wearing into saddle bags
that rest agains them?
It seems to me that a loaded Saddle Sack without a rear rack would
naturally press against the rear brake cable at or
Interesting discussion as usual. I eeigh163 lbs and I sometimes wonder if my
61cm Roadeo is more stout than ideal. That sounds silly given that it's Riv's
lightest bike, but it has to be able to withstand 250 lbs of rider weight.
In the custom frame section of the Riv website, there's an
58 cm happens to be between the two Roadeo sizes where the tubing gauge
changes. The 57 and below use the lighter gauge and 59+ are stouter, more like
a Ram and Hilsen.
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I have a set of Dura Ace 10 speed bar end shifters I've been using a for a
few years. I bought them used and they are the variant with a friction mode.
I used to switch to friction mode often on a whim during relaxed rides just
to enjoy what used to be a normal thing in my childhood: Smooth,
Yes, I had noticed those differences too. Interesting indeed.
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John, comparisons are difficult because my previous other bikes were standard
non OS frames that were a bit smaller. But the 61cm Roadeo doesn't feel noodly
at all to me. It's pretty solid on bumpy descents and I'm thankful for that. I
wouldn't want it less "solid" feeling when I'm bombing down
To add to my previous post, I didn't ride these in the wet enough to have
an opinion. But dry grip and handling was excellent with great comfort
given its 28mm size.
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 10:00:22 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I like their 700c Cypress tires.
> How are the
I had these as the first tires for my Roadeo. Standard casing. They felt
fast and the bike actually handled best when I had these on. Flats were
similar to the Cypres Extra Legers I've used. Maybe even a bit more
frequent.
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 10:00:22 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong
>From Mark Abele regarding a 61 cm Roadeo:
True Temp OX Plat tubing in the main triangle
Top Tube: .8 x .5 x .8mm
Down Tube: .8 x .6 x .8mm
Seat Tube: .6 x .8mm
Chainstay: Reynolds Track Fork Blade 1.2mm
Seat Stay: Double taper 12 x 16 x 11mm (OD; not sure of wall thickness)
This was in an
This is an interesting discussion. Based on what I can tell, RBW has not
(ever?) attributed the stoutness of their frames as a contributing factor
to how "fast" they are. They mention things like fitness, strength, rider
position and comfort as the contributing factors. They have always
I've used JB Greens and GB Cypres Extra Leger on my Roadeo. The GB's are
noticeably lighter and more flexible with a smoother, more shock-absorbing and
vibration-damping ride. They also allow shaper handling due to less gyroscopic
resistance in the steering. They feel faster overall and measure
Indeed, all Roadeo sizes below 59cm are 7/4/7. Anything 59cm and up is
8/5/8. There are also other details to shave grams like the tiny chain stay
bridge and modified Hilsen lugs. Cool details and a great design for riding
in a pack. Very maneuverable without being overly twitchy, particularly
Touch up paint should be available directly from Waterford Precision Cycles.
Just tell them what you have. That's what I did.
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I have some 2008 Sora 2x9 STI levers that I'd be happy to part with. Better on
a bike than in a drawer. They are in excellent condition.
What kind of bar end shifters do you have?
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For those of you with a fistful of seat post exposed on your large level top
tube bikes, what do you clamp your workstand to?
I've been raising my seat post (marked with tape beforehand) to make room for
the clamp but that is a pain in the neck. Is it safe to clamp onto the seat
tube instead?
Folks,
I have a 46cm Compass Maes Parallel drop handlebar that didn't work out for
me. 25.4 center bulge for stem clamp.
I mounted the bar in a Nitto quill stem with some non-aero brake levers to
test it out for a handful of rides under 10 miles, all on the road. The bar
has not had any bar
The Silver shifters are clones of Suntour Cyclone downtube shifters. So one can
argue that that's where they function best. Indeed, they are a bit long as
barend shifters in comparison to typical proper barend shifters, but that extra
length gives them a little more shifting precision so I like
The larger sized Roadeos (59 and above I think) have similar gauge tubing to
the AHH. The sizes smaller than that use lighter-than-AHH tubing.
I have a 61 cm Roadeo and like it a lot, but realize that I could have had a
more versatile bike in an AHH without having sacrificed much.
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Don, what is the width of your new Stampede Passes at your inflation pressures
on those 23mm rims?
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Looks great! How does the AHH compare to the Roadeo you sold (taking setup and
use into consideration of course)?
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Global Cycling Network is a British racing-oriented YouTube channel. Much
of their advice has been typical of most sources cycling information that
has a racer sort of bias and is not of much interest to this group.
They did a video on wide tires and gave credit to Bicycling Quarterly and,
by
Boy, if her brifter was able to hit your rear fender, she must have had her
bars slammed lower than low!
On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:17:49 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Patrick, She veered to the left when realizing I was stopping, her right
> brifter lever glancing the fender left of center,
This is true. From the stem clamp to the beginning of the curve to the
ramps, the Noodle bars actually slope downward slightly (like a Moustach
bar, but not nearly as much) which results in the ramps being slightly
lower for any given stem height. The amount is slight, but noticeable and I
g and matching parts from other groups (let alone other
> manufacturers).
> Aka, it's too bad that they've bought into narrow-minded, race-oriented
> design and marketing in component groups.
> Bicycling magazine has reinforced this narrow-minded perspective, and I
> believe
Most, if not all, of us who visit this group know that one of Grant
Petersen's primary bicycle frame design goals is maximizing tire clearance
to allow a rider the option for wider tires than typical production
bicycles can fit. He has clearly explained this in multiple Reader issues
as well
I've been using the VO 46/30 MkII crank for a couple hundred miles now and have
had no problems. It basically goes unnoticed when riding and looks really nice
when I'm not. I used the recommended 118mm BB width on my 61cm Roadeo, but
would have preferred a 115 for a slightly better chainline.
I've used GB Cerf, GB Cypres EL, and Jack Brown Greens on my Roadeo, all on H
Plus Son TB14 rims. I like them all for different reasons.
The 28mm Cerfs have the best handling feel on twisty descents and feel fast.
The 30mm Cypres EL are more squirrelly feeling to me on the same descents. They
Nice bikes, guys. I noticed that Phillip's fork has a more French-style
bend to it.
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Velominati, a website and rule book, isn't the sort of reading that many
Rivendell riders peruse. If you don't know what it is, it's basically a
satirical list of cycling Rules, DO's and DON'Ts with the ideal being road
racing from the distant and recent past. In almost all ways, it's
I, too, have noticed that Longboard fenders wider than 45mm are not long
enough. I don't know why that is.
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In Jan Heine's blog, he states that the front mud flap should be within 2"
to the ground for maximum protection of spray to the drivetrain and feet. I
don't know how safe it would be or otherwise but it apparently works well
for him.
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Don, are you riding Extra Leger or standard casing Grand Bois Cerfs?
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I'll kindly let Don speak for himself.
The following opinions are based on a 160lb body weight and a 61cm Roadeo,
currently with non-racy components and no fenders, that weighs about 24lbs.
I've tried GB 28mm and GB 32mm Extra Leger (closer to 30 in reality) on
23mm rims on my Roadeo and
No, Jim. Sorry.
On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 2:21:04 PM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
are you looking to sell the D/A shifters sans pods?
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Good stuff, Dave. Thank you for your input.
Paul
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I have Dura Ace 7800 10-speed bar end shifters on my handlebar. I've been
using them in friction mode lately and have decided I'd like to give the
Silver Shifters a try since the Shimano's friction mode leaves something to
be desired in terms of smoothness compared to Power Ratchets. I wonder
I realized how impatient I sounded after re-reading my post. I didn't ride
my bike to work today so I can't take a peek until I get home.
In any case, going on memory, I think you are right about these older pods
not have the bump...and, of course, I'll know for sure when I get home.
Thanks,
Thank you for that comprehensive answer, Bill. I have not taken the
Shimanos apart yet and wasn't observant to the internal washer details when
I installed them so I cannot verify anything at this time. However, since
these are from the 7800 era, the design dates back to 2003 or so.
Do you
That shade of green is as gorgeous as it gets.
On Monday, August 10, 2015 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
Super great color...anyone know what it's called?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bethness/20446965925/in/pool-rivendell/
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I'm sure all would agree that pictures are mandatory! ;-)
28mm Grand Bois tires on the Roadeo are my favorites for sporty handling
during fast, twisty descents. 23mm rims.
I've also tried Jack Brown Greens. They give a more sure-footed stable feel
for city commuting with a saddle bag but are
A head turner for sure!
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What a refreshing story. Who bets that the author rides Grand Bois or
Compass tires??? :-)
On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 2:01:51 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote:
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article20563743.html
This Saturday's Sac Bee had a front-page article about road racers going
from 19 mm to
Just a plain ol' Shimano 105 5701 short cage on the Roadeo. It shifts into
a 30t large cog on the cassette.
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used in PR are tubulars, so they would be even more comfortable! Good Luck!
On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 1:22:31 AM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:
Race mechanic, Rob Geysen, wishes his team's race bikes had clearance
for tires wider than 28mm at today's Tour Of Flanders. Will race bikes
Race mechanic, Rob Geysen, wishes his team's race bikes had clearance for tires
wider than 28mm at today's Tour Of Flanders. Will race bikes be designed for
fat tires (again) in the future?
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/wider-is-better-at-flanders-43995/
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There are occasionally guys who race cross bikes too. A 30mm slick seems
like it would be a perfect tire for that race. It's absolute madness to me
that some guys run 23/25s!
On Monday, April 6, 2015 at 1:22:31 AM UTC-5, Paul G wrote:
Race mechanic, Rob Geysen, wishes his team's race bikes had clearance
The differences in material also make a difference in how the saddles feel.
I think the Cambium is more prone to chafing due to more friction in the
saddle. I tends to grab clothing more which can rub it against skin while
pedaling. Leather allows clothing to slide across its surface more
I weigh about 160 and use about 60 front and 70 rear on 23mm rims. I subtract
about 15 psi each for the Jack Brown greens, but go longer between pumpings so
they end up lower eventually.
The GB 28's are fantastic and I'd like to try the 32mm versions or Compass
equivalents eventually.
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Nice! How do those Compass tires compare to the JB greens?
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Jon, how upright do you sit on your bike most of the time? I'm trying to
get a feel for how crouched of a riding position a B17 can handle. I
sometimes ride really crouched with a horizontal back or sit up with my
back at 55-50 degrees if I'm putting along slowly with the family and I'd
like a
I do ride with Noodle bars at saddle height on my bicycle in question.
However, the amount of torso angle I ride with can vary significantly
depending on the type of riding I'm doing. I get as low as horizontal when
riding hard and fast with my arms bent in the hooks even though the bars
are
Thanks for your input, Mojo. Much appreciated.
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Mine is a 61cm and weighs about 23-23.5 lbs.
It is equipped with:
- Nitto Mark's Bar 42mm
- Nitto Technomic Deluxe 110mm
- Campagnolo Veloce Brake/Shifters
- IRD threaded headset
- Nitto Jaguar Seatpost 250mm
- Regal saddle
- Tektro R539 brakes
- King cages
- Sugino Mighty Tour 48/34 crankset
I've never used a Columbine Quikchainger before, but an seat stay chain
hanger peg requires the chain to be manually put on the peg. That means
using a tool or stick or your fingers to do it. Assuming the peg is well
positioned and your rear derailleur can take up all the slack when the
wheel
I'm guessing the fork braze-ons are custom because there's also a Columbine
Quikchainger on the right chainstay which is also not standard fare. I
almost ordered a Quikchainger for my Roadeo but decided on a chain hanger
peg on the seatstay instead in the end along with downtube shifter bosses.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing this!
Paul
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Here's are a few more pictures of the Roadeo from last weekend while out on
the open road https://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y. Sorry for the
slightly soft images. My camera lens was covered in pocket lint; I should
have wiped it off...but I didn't.
Paul
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014
Ron, that Moser is gorgeous! Very nice.
Paul
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0fVUs_He3w4/Uumds2_4ROI/ACw/KAjbo73YTK0/s1600/DSC_2269.jpg
It's taken a long time for me to do a proper ride after building up this
fine frameset due to poor air quality in my area. I was finally able to
ride it about 35 miles on flat and rolling
are just so laden). The only black mark is that it doesn't have dt
shifters.
Patrick left 43 behind long ago Moore, who doesn't mind that at all, at
all!
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Deacon,
I've thought about that too and experienced that very thing on my first
ride. There is freedom indeed!
Paul
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:40:16 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Fantastic, Paul!
You mention not wanting to install the computer for aesthetic reasons.
I've
I cannot verify this, but I read (on the internet) that the Regal saddle was
modeled after the Brooks Team Professional (which I have never tried).
Anyhow, the Regal is nicely made and thinly padded with a vintage shape that's
not unlike a narrow Brooks. I'd say that padded cycling shorts are
Patrick, exactly what you said. It needed to be opened up a bit as the seat
post would not insert. Just the tiniest of amounts and, yes, this is quite
normal as you allude to.
Paul
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Okay, I've posted a few more images for you all to check out if you'd
likehttps://app.box.com/files/0/f/1430336408
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I cannot comment about ride so much because I haven't been able to give it
a proper ride due to poor air quality in my area. So frustrating. However,
I do believe my stem
I goofed on the photos link. Try this
onehttps://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y
.
Paul
On Sunday, January 5, 2014 4:11:12 PM UTC-8, Paul G wrote:
Okay, I've posted a few more images for you all to check out if you'd
likehttps://app.box.com/files/0/f/1430336408
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I cannot comment
The build is done except bar tape. The seat tube and head tube had to be
reamed but all the threads were perfect. The RD hanger was perfectly aligned
as were the rear dropouts, but the front dropouts needed a very slight
tweaking. I'm really tired and will post photos as soon as I get them
Okay folks, you asked for photos when it arrived so your wish is my
commandhttps://app.box.com/s/85g0h65aqow3rusz1f2y
.
I had a couple add-ons brazed on in the form of downtube shifter bosses and
a seat stay-mounted chain hanger to keep the chain secure when the rear
wheel is removed like 80's
The Public bar tape is padded with a foam-like material. A bit like cork
actually. The Fizik Microtex Tape I've used is very thin and not padded.
They do look similar though.
Paul
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