Re: [RBW] Has anyone tried out their Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Bars?

[ctifusion]

Anyone have one that's not crazy off center and want to sell them (or 
trade) let me know.

Thanks,
Brynnar

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 6:39:49 PM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> He, he that was me, the clamp size made me pause on snapping up a set. I 
> regret not buying them, they were in my cart. I could have just purchased a 
> 26.0 stem from Simworks and be on the other side of this have vs have not :)
>
> Hugh
> LA.
>
>
> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 9:24:23 AM UTC-8 Dee Dee wrote:
>
>> Someone asked the same thing on one of his instagram posts. His response:
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-10 at 11.17.24 AM.png]
>> Maybe he has some 26mm clamp stems in production to accompany the next 
>> batch of bars?
>>
>> -Danny
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:53 AM Den John  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know why they went for a 26mm clamp rather than 25.4mm? It 
>>> seems like there's much more choice
>>> in 25.4mm stems (either ahead or quill). 25.4mm would go nicely with a 
>>> Nitto V-4 or V-5, then there's much less worry about slipping.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Johnny
>>> On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 01:22:13 UTC+1 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @frahm30: I'm working on three builds plus a repair plus a drivetrain 
 upgrade! Five bikes in varying stages of... disaster. Sorry to tempt you 
 with my Ortho Fresh Bars (Still In Box for maximum health benefits). 

 John, Ben's Cycle has the 26.0 clamp diameter, 190mm quill Technomic 
 deluxe in size up to 120mm. If you can abide that lost centimeter check 
 'em here 
 
 . 

 On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:

> I've been trying to find a 130mm Technomic deluxe with a 190mm quill, 
> but it looks like I'll have to use a 120mm Nitto Pearl until I do. I 
> don't 
> need them too high, so fingers crossed.
>
> John
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>
>> Sadly mine are in the shed too, and have not yet seen any use. I 
>> attached them to my Clem H on a 12cm Tallux but I haven't finished 
>> putting 
>> it together. A 26.0 faceplater quill would probably be ideal but I don't 
>> know where to find one of those. I've got an extra dirt drop but I 
>> assumed 
>> that would bring them too close to me. One of those threadless stem 
>> adapters would probably work great but I'm not too keen on the 
>> aesthetics. 
>> I'm not a huge dude and I don't anticipate I'll have any issues with the 
>> Tallux. I'll be sure to report back once I get it rolling though.
>>
>> Bones
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 8:18:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Still in the shed? Oh man. Sure you don’t want to just pass them 
>>> along? Because I’m in! Haha
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:16:57 PM UTC-8 John Phillips wrote:
>>>
 "Orthopedic back Bars...for performance applications" 

 That gave me a chuckle.

 John

 On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> John – I haven't tried the bars but have a set in the shed. I seem 
> to recall somewhere Ron recommended adding some friction compound to 
> the 
> stem. Oh, I found it. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 5.14.07 PM.png]
>
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> I found that a single bolt dirt drip stem holds okay, I mounted 
>> it on a 4 bolt stem it felt more secure, yet to be field tested. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 12:32 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> And did you need any friction paste or Loctite in the bar clamp?
>>
>> John
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[RBW] Re: WTB 62cm Atlantis

[ctifusion]

I'm about to put my 60cm frame set with rainbow tube up for sale, just 
haven't gotten around to taking some pics and posting. Just in case you can 
go down a size as it does ride a bit on the big size. I usually ride either 
a 60-62cm road frame and this definitely rides line a 62cm or 25 inch.

Best,
Brynnar

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 1:22:15 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all! Keeping my eyes peeled for one of these :) Would love some help 
> finding one
>
> Coco
>

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[RBW] FS: 26" Wheelset - Lesnik built $275 plus lot so new tires.

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Hey, 

Tempted by the wheels but what tires do you have? I just built up an old 
B-Stone XO-3 and need tires for sure.

Thanks,
Brynnar

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[RBW] Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

[ctifusion]

Have you ridden a nice recumbent trike? 

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: Thin Gripster alternatives?

[ctifusion]

I'm glad you mentioned this. The VPs are bad pedals, mine started making 
noise almost immediately. Can't have 500 miles on them and they're shot. 
Especially given that I have 1000s of miles on multiple sets of Wellgo B132 
pedals.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wellgo-B132-Downhill-DH-Mountain-Bike-Platform-MTB-Pedals-w-Replaceable-Pins/291309868321?epid=1224634799=item43d36bd521:g:iJMAAMXQ9u1RExHO

I've been using those RaceFace Chester pedals lately. They are so sturdy, 
great platform, and I dig the composite look and all the colors.

Brynnar

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 12:55:47 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I have multiple sets of the VP Thin Gripster/VP-001. Great pedals but they 
> have all developed clicking noises in the bearings. Some of mine have 
> relatively low miles so I'm wondering about their longevity. I note that 
> RBW sells a bearing service kit but IMO it's too expensive.
>
> Have others experienced this? Did you service the pedals or replace them 
> with something else? If so, what?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kieran
>
>

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Re: [RBW] All Rounder on ebay

[ctifusion]

That Mavic crankset, and the rest of the build is great too. Too small for 
me.

Brynnar

On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 1:16:03 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's interesting to see it out there. It appeared here a couple years ago, 
> then was abruptly pulled. 

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Re: [RBW] Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[ctifusion]

Weight may not be a primary consideration for Riv riders but there's no reason 
to ride a heavier bike if there is an option for a lighter one, especially as 
the OP has clearly described his plan to ride this for sport without bags and 
racks. How about we keep the tone friendly?

I'd say go for the lighter one unless you think you'll like the stiffer ride 
that I assume comes with the heavier tubing and threadless. For me, threadless 
frames are stiffer on the rough stuff.

Brynnar

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Re: [RBW] briar tires

[ctifusion]

I am currently riding Big Apples on my 60cm MIT Atlantis and I can fully 
recommend them. I have used lighter tires like Compass, which I love on 
other bikes, but the Big Apples seem like a natural fit to me. They're 
hefty, but seem to match the feel of the big Atlantis. I assume they are 
about as puncture resistant as you can get, and yet they have a distinct 
feel that I really like.

Brynnar
indy

On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 12:02:16 AM UTC-5, Tom Horton wrote:
>
> big apples might be worth a try. haven’t dealt with 
> goatheads/puncturevine, but they seem even worse than our greenbriar.  I 
> can change a tire fine, just don’t want to be doing it every week, 
> especially on winter rides through the forests when it’s cold enough your 
> hands don’t work so well. 
>
> thanks for all the advice.

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[RBW] Re: Reduced market for used older bikes?

[ctifusion]

Mark, 

I totally agree, and I'm also tempted by the tall 80s MTBs all the time. All 
three you got recently would be hard for me to pass up, but a tall '84 830? 
Pretty cool. 

More garage ceiling hooks. Problem solved!

Brynnar
Indy

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[RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[ctifusion]

++ on the All Rounder with space for RTPs. I will say that Surly still 
makes the LHT for 26-inch wheels in all sizes with canti posts. The frame 
clearly lacks the magic of a Riv but mimics the All Rounder.

Also, any flat-top-tubed, 650b road bike.

Brynna


On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 1:29:21 AM UTC-4, Michael Mazzie wrote:
>
> All rounder 650B for RTP...light tubing, low trail...
> Mike Mazzie
> A2
>
> On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 10:20:51 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
>>
>> Legolas or All Rounder, I think a lighter canti frame would be a good 
>> addition. Nothing in that spot right now. Atlantis, Gus, etc, are fairly 
>> heavy duty and AHH has limited tire clearance. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 40-tooth bashguard

[ctifusion]

I think I have an extra one, I'll look in the bins today. I let a friend 
ride my Quickbeam once and he wiped out so hard that he bent the pedal, and 
when I replaced the pedals I felt a wobble on that side. So I bought a new 
set of cranks with the bashguard. 

I'll let you know in a bit.

Brynnar

On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 8:56:37 AM UTC-4, C.J. Filip wrote:
>
> Another second for the cheap and good looking BBG Bash Guards.  Picked up 
> one for an old XTR crankset obtained from a member of this group.
>
> On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 1:37:51 PM UTC-7, Rob H. wrote:
>>
>> I wish Sugino still made those too but I couldn't seem to find one. You 
>> could order one (14 bucks) from this guy, which is what i did:
>>
>> https://bbgbashguard.com/shop?olsPage=products 
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: MIT Atlantis and chain length

[ctifusion]

I had the same thing happen when I was building mine last summer. Last 
thing on the build was the chain and it didn't fit! But I had splurged for 
a 1x10 set up so I didn't have any extra links in the parts bin (first 
10-speed bike for me). I had to add several links from another chain, which 
made it a $100 chain total (which hurt at the end of an expensive build!). 
But now I have extra 10 speed links for life. I also now thing my chain is 
a bit too long so prob should have just asked the LBS if they had a couple 
extra lying around. I think it's pretty easy to add links with a quality 
(Park) chain tool, just be slow and careful and be sure to bend the chain 
laterally both ways with some strength to loosen up the pins.

Post a pic! I also run drops on mine.

Brynnar
Indy

On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 7:28:52 PM UTC-4, LBleriot wrote:
>
> So, I bought an MIT Atlantis from a fellow member of the bunch, and am 
> learning the pros and cons of those eeeaaalllyyy long chainstays.  They 
> provide a nice comfy ride, but caused me some head scratching when it came 
> to fitting a chain. I set up the Atlantis as traditional rambler/tourer 
> with drop bars, bar end shifters, triple crankset, an 8 speed cassette and 
> Altus front and rear derailleurs.   After reading that Riv uses KMC 116 
> link chains, I put one on my new ride.  No go; in the big ring, the 
> derailleur stretches too much.  So, back to the shop I went for another 
> chain to add 6 links to the original chain.  Time to bust out the old 
> school skill of breaking and re-pinning the chain.  Am I the only one to 
> experience this?

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[ctifusion]

I've got a set of these with 400 miles on them (standard, tan) that I'll 
sell for $80 shipped (conus) if you're interested. That's the cost of one 
new one plus shipping.

Good shape, no flats, may need some soap and water on the tan sidewalls.

Brynnar
Indy


On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 11:48:35 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: 
> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 
> 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.
>
> I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I 
> wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only 
> cost me a small fortune to find out.
>

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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

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>From my experience with those bars, a technomic will flex too much and maybe 
>even be dangerous. I'd stick with the dirt drop.

Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ethics Question

[ctifusion]

That crank is superior and I've also recently developed a new (renewed?) desire 
for the suntour, but you gotta leave some special parts on the wife's bikes. 
And anyway, you have it all wrong, this is clearly about you ALSO having some 
slightly more beautiful vintage cranks. 

B in indy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar fender options

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Thanks for all the info in this thread. Can I mostly assume that this info 
translates to the MIT Atlantis? I've run the new Compass and now the 
classic Big Apple (2.35), I'll eventually try the G-One too. All on 
Velocity Atlas rims. After a year of riding the Atlantis for fun rides I'm 
getting ready to set it up as my everyday commuter and daily driver. This 
involves fenders. I prefer metal so I was thinking that the best bet is the 
flat Sim Works fenders.

Maybe I should start another thread, but I think the Hunq and Atlantis 
should compare?

Brynnar
Indy






On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 3:22:28 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> David: I'll be interested to hear how the Cascadias fit over the G Ones. 
> My Cascadias at the tightest points cleared the 60.5 mm Big Ones literally 
> by just 1 mm or so.
>
> The Cascadias *are* longer than the foolishly short SKS's.
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 6:58 AM Dave Grossman  > wrote:
>
>>
>> I currently have the SKS 65s with 50mm Big Bens and it works ok.  The 
>>> front fender is a bit short and I feel like I adjust it often.
>>>
>>
>> I recently picked up some amazing pink Planet Bike fenders at a swap meet 
>> (Cascadia 60mm) and I am going to mount some 2.35 G Ones soon.  I had the 
>> same fenders on my Ogre and loved them.  They aren't as nice looking as the 
>> SKS or surely as some hammered Honjos but they are mega easy to install and 
>> relatively inexpensive.   
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[RBW] Re: Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

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Thanks!

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[RBW] Commuter oriented bike shop in LA?

[ctifusion]

I'm remotely helping a friend get back into commuting, he lives on the 
near-east side of LA. He picked up a nice converted vintage MTB but needs 
racks, bags and eventually some Riv-ish stuff.

I'm looking for a shop that understands the vintage Riv-inspired commuter 
and who may eventually be able to set him up with a basket and some 
Albatross bars.

Any recommendations?

Thanks,
Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen (MUSA Type) Report

[ctifusion]

Beautiful bike! One question. Are you getting flex with the Towel rack and 
delux stem combo? I had to pull my set up off of an Atlantis recently 
because I was feeling nervous about how much flex I was getting from a 
technomic. I bought a cro-mo Nitto short stem (UI-71?) from Japan but it 
was worse. I'm back to Albatross bars now. I'm happier all around even 
though I love the towel rack, after three bar set-ups I'm convinced that 
that frame is made for albatross bars. 

My plan now is to use the towel rack and a dirt drop on my '93 XO-3 (the 
good year with the same-ish geometry as the orange XO-1) as an excuse to 
finally build that into a fancy retro gravel bike. It spent the last few 
years with a parts bin build, set up to pull kids trailers. The XO (59cm) 
is a bit small for me so the dirt drop will work better on it than on my 
59cm MIT Atlantis which is a much bigger and longer frame.

Love the bike and especially the look of the wide bars on there so I hope 
it's working for you.

Brynnar 
indy



On Tuesday, December 25, 2018 at 9:43:00 PM UTC-5, MCT wrote:
>
> I have been a member of the bunch since about 2009-2010.   Few months ago, 
> I accidentally hit the leave group button and have been in moderation 
> purgatory since then.  
>
>
> Going back in time to the year 2011 when I lived in California, I should 
> have purchased an A. Homer Hilsen. I headed up to Rivendell and had to 
> decide between the Sam Hillborne and the A. Homer Hilsen.  I ended 
> purchasing the Sam Hillborne because the frame was less expensive.  If my 
> memory serves me correct, my size in the Homer needed to be ordered and I 
> did not want to wait.  The Sam served me well, but I always had a Homer in 
> the back on my mind.  
>
>
> Over the years, I owned a 60cm Sam, 62cm and 64cm Quickbeam, and a 64cm 
> Sam.  The 64cm Sam was a little too big.  I had a little hiatus from 
> Rivendell bikes for about two years.  I was feeling like I need to get back 
> on a Rivendell.  I was checking things out and there it was in the 
> Rivendell Garage Sale page.  There it sat was a 65cm Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
> (MUSA Type) in color English Blue, 49cm chainstay, and 130mm dropouts.  
> This frame had dream bike written all over it.  I just fit into a 65cm, 
> which is perfect because I like a bigger bike.  I got spouse approval and 
> made the purchase (As I am writing this, she wanted you all to know she is 
> awesome).  I did have to make an agreement to not sell it for at least 5 
> years.  I have a habit of buying and selling bikes.  I am sure some of you 
> also have this habit.  I told her not to worry.  I will not be selling the 
> bike.
>
>
> Next, came building it up.
>
>
> *11 speed* - I wanted to go 11 speed, but was a little torn on shifting.  
> With the frame having downtube shifter bosses, I wanted use downtube 
> shifters.  I like the look and it keeps me from shifting all the time.  If 
> I have brifters, I shift too much.  The issue I had was I only found 10 
> speed downtube shifters, which are the dura ace type.  However, I was 
> perusing Velo Orange and there they were Dia Compe 11 speed down tube 
> shifters.  I was in business with 11 speed.  I ended up with a Shimano 8000 
> Rear Derailler and Cassette (11-28).  I went with the 6800 front derailler 
> because I liked the look better than the 8000.  The crank is the Sugino 
> Mighty Tour 901D double at 48/33.  Riding in the Oklahoma City area is flat 
> and flat, so I pretty much use it as a 1x11.  I am sure I will use the 33 
> when riding in different areas.
>
>
> *Wheels *– These wheels were a take off from another bike.  Dt Swiss R450 
> with White Industries T11 front hub and MI5 rear hub.  The rear hub was 
> spaced to 135mm.  The beautiful engineering on the hub is I called White 
> Industries and purchased a non-drive side end cap for $10 and shazam, now 
> spaced at 130mm.  Do a little re-dishing and ready to go.  In my opinion 
> the rims don’t really fit the bike, but the are almost new and will use 
> them up.  I have Compass Barlow Pass (700x38) and work like a charm.  I 
> found 55 psi rides well and probably where I will stay at.  I was at 60 psi 
> and felt a little stiff if that is a good word for it.  
>
>
> *Handlebars/Saddle* – I was bouncing around on what drop handlebar to use 
> and I ended up getting the Crust towel rack.  It is wide and awesome.  I 
> feel like I am cheating on Nitto, but I love the feel of the Crust and 
> found a winner.  I got a Nitto deluxe stem for a deluxe bike. I wanted to 
> give a Gilles Berthoud saddle a try.  I use open in the middle saddles and 
> found I like it better than the Brooks imperial.  The Gilles is a little 
> stiffer at the get go, but I know will loosen up a little.  Seatpost is the 
> Nitto S83. 
>
>
> *Brakes* – I had two choices between the Paul Components Racer and Tektro 
> R559 due to reach.  The Tektros are simpler and less “messy” and have a 
> more classic look.  I have 

[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr 52cm H - First preorder batch

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Sold?

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[RBW] FYI: 59 MIT Atlantis in Indy

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No relation to seller

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/bik/d/2018-rivendell-atlantis/6767662317.html

Brynnar

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Re: [RBW] Winter wool baselayer rec needed

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Is the the Costco brand? I bought a couple tops and bottoms at Costco last 
year, part wool part poly, and they are great and cheap! Like 20% the cost 
of smartwool. And work just as well IMO. I haven't checked what they are 
carrying this year but I'll be on the lookout.

brynnar
indy

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>
> Since the demise of Ibex and especially their fall sale, I have been 
> enjoying   -33   as long as you like the color black, their long underwear 
> bottoms are excellent, cycled in them yesterday.   Steve
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:38 AM EasyRider  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks all. It sounds like the 150 weight might be what I want.
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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

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Such a beautiful bike. I wanted on so bad in the early 2000s. Still do!!

Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

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Cool idea!

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Re: [RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

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Thanks! I knew I'd seen something like this before.

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[RBW] Clean way to mount USB light to front rack?

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Hopefully an obvious solution here. Without a generator hub I'm stuck using a 
USB light on the new Atlantis and I can't figure an easy way to mount it to the 
front rack as the mount is for handlebars. Not a huge deal but I like the lower 
light position and not looking at the ugly light when I ride. Looked up those 
accessory bars but they all seem to have the same handlebar mount.

What am I missing?

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: Taking Clem to a different level

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Saw this last week and it's even better looking in person. The reach doesn't 
feel as long as it looks in the pics. Definitely seems reasonable even for 
people with average torso length. I love the build and I wish all my bikes were 
that mustard color.

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

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That's a great retro build. I have an old mtb waiting for when my 8 year old 
grows a bit more. Couldn't pass up a super high end 1994 diamondback when I saw 
it on craigslist for $60 (even has some XTR bits!).

I will recommend looking at the Salsa kids mtbs. Rigid, 1x8, 20 and 24 inch 
wheels sizes that both take 3 inch tires. I think Giant also makes a plus-tire 
kids bike. The Salsa is a really incredible bike with extremely stable 
geometry. He loves how it floats on grass like a fat bike would but is still 
very fast on the street. 

I'll post a link from my computer in a bit.

Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: Here's my new Atlantis

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I have to admit that I have been struggling with my Atlantis seeming too bright 
and cheerful with silver parts and tan sidewall Compass tires. I've never built 
a bike with black components (I've owned a couple that came that way) but I've 
been thinking that the Atlantis would look great that way, and your bike proves 
it! Very cool.

I also love the Surly open bars and if it wasn't for my history of avoiding 
black parts I would have used them for this build too. What stem is that? Looks 
like an old Salsa. 

Now I'm conflicted...

Brynnar 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

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"We have a good reputation and haven't screwed anyone over."

I don't think we talk enough about how rare it is for a company to be 
ethical today. 

Thanks Riv.

Brynnar
Indy


On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 10:26:06 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Chuck Davis found and posted this on the iBOB list:
>
>
> https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2018/09/19/first-time-exhibitor-rivendell-showing-new-model-designed-dirt?utm_source=Bicycle+Retailer+Newletters_campaign=df09eb9f68-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_18_06_20_COPY_01_medium=email_term=0_bbd0ac46d2-df09eb9f68-29057867#.W6RWOHRMHqB
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 58cm Riv Custom Complete on LA Craigslist

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Orange EBISU is one of my all time dream bikes. As is a 60x60 All Rounder. I'm 
much more offended by the black cranks than I am about the paint. In LA with 
those parts I don't think the price is crazy.

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

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I agree that the bike looks much cooler from that angle.

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 6:03:45 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> The rear quarter Instagram pic of Gus at interbike, with his big ol’ fat 
> tars, presents him so much better than the blahg pics. I think.  Something 
> about seeing him from that angle helps me imagine the his true structure. 
> Gus is definitely growing on me! 
>
> Tom

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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

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My turn to chime in. I just couldn't go out in the mid-September humidity 
and ride this afternoon so I'll write here instead. I will first say that 
yesterday when my 8 year old saw it he said "WOW, cool!!!" 

I also think it's very cool, and if I hadn't just got a new Atlantis this 
year it would be something to consider for a burly commuter and occasional 
off-roader. I'm in Indianapolis and there are very few hills here, but 
nevertheless I've built and ridden many similar-style vintage MTBs from the 
80s as light trail bikes, touring bikes, commuters, etc. And I've built 
three for friends just in the last two years and got them riding bikes 
again. So I totally agree that there is a reason to build a sturdy MTB-like 
bike for the 90% of us who ride mellow off road (or in areas of the country 
without major trails) and might also just like the sturdy cruiser style. 
This could be a killer commuter.

I'm not in the market for this bike right now mostly for budget reasons (I 
have six working bikes, none of which I want to part with) but also because 
I recently built something sorta similar to use when I do make it to 
trails. I have a 2016/17? Raleigh Pardner that I got off the ibob list last 
year. It's a simple, steel framed, 4-inch fat bike with low-level Shimano. 
I solved the low head tube problem with a surly fork (uncut) and some riser 
bars. It doesn't have the long chain stays, but it does have a slack 
geometry and a long wheelbase relative to its size. Not the same bike at 
all, but another simple bike with big tires that can handle everything my 
47 year old body can do. The only problem I have with this bike is keeping 
the disc brakes working and not constantly dragging the pads! The Boots 
would be a much smoother and cooler version I'm sure. I just saying that I 
totally understand the concept and I think that, in a very Grant/Riv way, 
lots of other riders will dig this concept too if they gave it a shot.

I understand the worry about parts (and I've had to work a bit to build the 
rim brake bikes I own lately), but other than rims, I can't imagine 
anything is a real worry. And there are plenty of 650b touring bikes out 
there that will need sturdy rims in the future, rims that will work well 
with this bike. I put 5, 10, and 30 year old parts on my new Atlantis this 
summer along with a new 1x10 setup. So much fun to mix and match.

Lastly, I'd also like to point out that Grant's post and pics are crazy in 
today's modern marketing and Insta environment. That particular bike is 
huge and the set up is just plain ugly, especially the black bits and bars 
(obviously needs a Bull Moose or the new wavie?). No other company would 
ever allow a new bike to be released this way, especially one this 
innovative and experimental. I personally love Riv for this, but if it was 
carefully built with all the coolest stuff and posed and shot by a pro (no 
offense to the photographers at Riv!) I think there would be less 
hand-ringing over it's aesthetics. Just saying.

Ride on!
Brynnar

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[RBW] Building out New Old Stock 2009 Sam Hillborne

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Love that color and the Exage stuff looks cool too.

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?

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This is clearly an excuse to buy a winter bike. I have a Surly LHT that I 
love anyway, but I also don't mind riding it all winter. Having ridden 
bikes year round in Minnesota for 15 years I'd say that riding in dry, cold 
conditions with salt residue is not a big deal (Now in Indy the weather is 
easier but the lack of road maintenance ad plowing actually makes it harder 
to ride in the winter here).  It's the salty and wet conditions that really 
do a number on components. I also think that if you hose your bike down a 
couple times during the winter and lube everything every couple of rides, 
the chances of having any real rust issues on the frame are pretty small. 
The biggest problem I have is with rusty bolts and rust on the steel parts 
of moving components. It hurts my heart when I think of all the beautiful 
vintage components I destroyed back in the 90s...

Look for a late-80s/early-90s rigid MTB and convert it to a commuter. The 
classic Deore stuff is pretty indestructible. They are fun to build and fun 
to ride.

Brynnar
Indy


On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 3:40:41 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Probably better to just put them on for the salty season.
> I definitely don't want to ride another kind of bike since my commutes are 
> 22 miles round trip and I love my Rambouillet for that.
> I am careful about mounting fenders and my Sheldon Fender Nuts are still 
> on the bike so easy on/easy off. Nothing to complain about.
> Glad I kept my fenders/rack/decaleur/Berthoud bag!!!
> Lately been riding fenderless/rackless with banana sax.
> Just bought a Roadeo so will switch banana sax to that and fender up the 
> Rambouillet for the winter.
>
>  
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Front Rack and hardware (also short Technomic)

[ctifusion]

I was looking for an trade on this but I'll just put this up to see if 
anyone is interested. Out of stock on the Riv site. This is as new, maybe a 
couple very small scratches but nothing noticeable. Installed and ridden 
with bags 4 times. Too much rack for the build I'm looking for. This one 
will hold a basket! (I guess I don't know that for sure but give me a 
break, it's a super strong and beautiful rack).

Included are the long screws and spacers to fit at the bottom, and P-clams 
and screws for the fork blades. I also purchased the extra hardware ($38) 
to direct mount it but I couldn't figure out how to get that to work on the 
MITlantis, I thought I had it figured and I cut the struts, so you'll get 
the short struts and the other hardware. 

$185 shipped in the lower 48. I will ship it in the original box with 
shipping material from Riv.

I should also mention that I have a short Technomic (5cm/25.4) As new, 
installed once. $30 shipped in lower 48.

PM me or respond to this with questions. Paypal F

Best,
Brynnar
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[RBW] WWT: Nitto Big Frot Rack for Mark's Hub with Hoop (or other cool lowrider front)

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I should say front or rear rack.

Brynnar

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[RBW] WWT: Nitto Big Frot Rack for Mark's Hub with Hoop (or other cool lowrider front)

[ctifusion]

I'm not in love with the Big Front Rack on my MITlantis. I only need a 
front rack to occasionally take a laptop and a couple books to work in 
small panniers and the Bid Rack feels like overkill. I'm not planning to 
put a basket on the Atlantis either. I know the Hub/Hoop is pretty new so 
not sure if there are any around, but thought I'd check. I'd also consider 
a nice, classic low rider rack too (Tubis, Bruce Gordon?).

Brynnar 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 2 vintage Trek mountain framesets

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I'd buy that 850 if it was the biggest size. Both would be cool to build.

Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: new bike day!!

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I love the black rims and the tires. I have about 200 miles on a set and they 
are proving to be a great 700c version of the RTPs. I also was worried about 
the RTPs and flats but i have at least 2000 miles on a set with only one flat. 
The 700c x 55s seem to me to have even more rubber.

Enjoy the great build!

Brynnar 
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[RBW] Bicycling article about Bridgestone MB-1

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On family vacation far away from my bikes. Picked up the new Bicycling and 
noticed a reflection piece about a writer's 1991 MB-1. Nice article, but though 
he lovingly mentions the old catalogues and adds an insert about what a modern 
version of the MB-1 would be, he neglects to mention Grant or RBW. I guess it 
should be expected. He does mention how the design has allowed him to use the 
bike for 27 years in different ways, and that he still rides it. Tempted to 
send him a link to the recent catalogue.

Doesn't look like the article is on the web yet.

Brynnar
Indy-Delaware 

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[RBW] Re: 53cm MIT Atlantis built...almost

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Looks great. I like the long stem.

On Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 1:02:04 PM UTC-4, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> The image has a bit of perspective distortion and the bars look a bit 
> weird. The fit is excellent. Billie bars with a 13cm Tallus gives me 3 
> usable hand positions. The Billie's have a lot of sweep and an appropriate 
> TT length and longish stem, IMHO, is needed to not feel cramped. With a 
> 82.5 PBH I was at the top of the 50cm and bottom of the 53. The 53 is a 
> perfect fit and I have enough space between the TT and my 'junk'.I don't 
> plan to use this as a MTB. As others have said, the long chainstays are 
> most excellent.
>
> VO Diagonale wheels, Nitto seat post, Berthoud Aspin saddle w/cutout, (got 
> it when Wall Bike was closing shop) Stem mounted shifters work well with 
> the Billie bars. Paul cantilevers and brake levers. Shimano 
> derailleurs.40/32 crank set...may go to a 43 outer, Soma Demi Porteur 
>  front rack and Ergon grips coming, undecided on rear rack. 
>
> I like the Billie bars a lot and if I would have gone with a 50cm frame I 
> don't think they would have worked as well for me. Big smile overall. 
>
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[RBW] FS Rivendell Ram - Posting for a friend

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Beautiful bike and a good deal.

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[RBW] Re: Pics of your Nitto Big Front Rack install?

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Awesome. That makes sense now. It was hard to figure because I didn't have time 
to put it in a stand and take off the wheel to line it up. I agree that it's 
worth the trouble to not use P-clamps (I knew U clamp sounded weird). But the 
extra hardware is expensive so I understand if Riv doesn't want that rack to 
hit $250, and that we're all on a budget of some kind with limits.

I'll post a pick after I get home and install the rack.

Brynnar

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[RBW] Pics of your Nitto Big Front Rack install?

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Thanks, I'm looking for pics of an installation using struts. Will said they 
use struts if you have them install racks at riv. The rack comes with U-clamps 
but the struts cost $36.

I can ask riv  but I thought someone might have a pic of a riv install i can 
copy.

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis ~ 1999

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Love it. Great build.

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[RBW] Pics of your Nitto Big Front Rack install?

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I'm out of town for the 4th but right before we left I got a new Nitto big 
front rack. When I ordered it the site referenced using U-clamps, but I figured 
with all the extra stuff on the fork of the new Atlantis I could mount it 
without the U-clamps. Riv was super helpful, and Will added the extra struts 
and hardware (for a cost). He said it's what they use if you order one built by 
Riv. Thing is, I don't have a good idea of how this should look. 

Anyone have a recent Riv with the big front rack installed by riv (or 
themselves) and want to share a pic? I'm excited to get this rack on when I get 
back and I'd appreciate your help.

Thanks friends,
Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

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Thanks Ash, I digging in more and more every ride.

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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

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Hey Tyler,

Some of the Indy Riv-ers are trying to plan a ride i  a couple weeks. Ill let 
you know!

Brynnar

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

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Thanks to Joe for doing the heavy lifting on this thread. And thanks, again, to 
Grant for being smart, ethical, and reasonable. It's not political to 
understand, point out, and act on the real effects of inequality in our country.

Also, happy to order a bunch of stuff today in support of Grant and Rivendell 
and this community.

Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

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I'm in and out of town for the next couple weeks too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

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Super cool!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

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Alex,

That's it. I'd break the bank for that bar.

Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

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Everyone stop posting to this stupid thread and we all win. 

Brynnar
Radical f**king lefty
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[RBW] Chain length for long board frames

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I just did my usual eyeball method. Put the chain in a couple different gears 
and see what it looks like. Had a funny moment when I first put the chain on. I 
hadn't worked with 10 speed before and when the chain was 8 inches too short I 
looked at the package and it said 10s and I thought it was a short chain. So I 
called my shop and they noted the link number and said it was the longest chain 
available. 

Trip back to LBS for another chain.

Brynnar 

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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

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Tully,

Thanks! And yes, mine were the first run. If you think you'll like them get on 
their list. I love the ultra wide bars

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[RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

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That's a really good looking Chev. 

Brynnar
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[RBW] I got a new Clem!

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Love that color.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

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Matt and Bob, let's make a plan! Any other Indy rivs out there? Virgil?

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[RBW] Re: Videos by Blue Lug

[ctifusion]

Very cool. I follow these guys on Instagram and love looking at their shop. 
My buddy is gong to Japan this fall and she is going to go and get us some 
t-shirts and stickers.

Brynnar
Indy

On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 8:38:36 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:
>
> A Blue Lug staff made a couple of nice videos featuring Riv bikes.
> You can watch them here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m42xOhm33vo
> and here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHviL6Jf1Y
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

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Thanks John and Michael,
I don't have a direct comparison to the recent riv models. My last Riv was 
a Quickbeam that I bought in 2006 and just sold this year. I loved the ride 
of the QB but I wanted to have a geared Riv and I also realized that as I 
got older (and fatter!) I really like big, stable bikes. I am happy to say 
that compared to my Surly LHT the Atlantis is a complex and interesting 
ride that gives tons of feedback without ever feeling noodle-y. I've heard 
people hypothesize that the extra tube doesn't do anything or that it makes 
the frame over stiff. All I can say it that it's much more solid than the 
QB but still feels like a fancy, well-designed steel bicycle. I can notice 
the length of the wheelbase and that is my favorite part. It feels like you 
ride "in" the bike and that the bike carries you more. Hard to explain.

I noticed that the water bottle cages are a bit lower than normal but I 
can't tell a difference when using my bottle.

I definitely recommend the big Crust bars if you are attracted to the idea. 
They have an email sign-up that I think will get you on a list for when 
they come out with another run. Otherwise, I'm sure that most people would 
love this bike with the wide noodles too.

Hey Virgil, didn't I sell you a LD stem once? Maybe we should go for a ride.

Best,
Brynnar



On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 2:46:12 AM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Hot! Love the drops!
> Will be very interested in hearing about ride quality, comparrisons vs. 
> shorter wheelbase bike.I'd also be on a 59. Love my Sam, but I've always 
> lusted after an Atlantis, and this one, with dropsoh my.
>
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:35:23 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just finished my Atlantis build and I couldn't be happier. I've been 
>> coveting (and riding) Bridgestones and Rivendells since the 90s and, though 
>> I had a Quickbeam and still have vintage B-stones and a bunch of vintage 
>> bikes, my last major/modern build was based around a 60cm LHT with 26-inch 
>> wheels and Compass RTP tires. Just couldn't justify/afford a Rivendell 
>> build five years ago. And that's ok, the LHT has served me well and will 
>> continue to be my rough weather/winter bike. But I've been wanting a new, 
>> geared Rivendell for a long time.
>>
>> The sizing on the Sams was just off enough for me (I'm right between the 
>> 58 and 62) to pass on it the couple times I got serious and I never took a 
>> serious look at the Appaloosa. I have a collection of vintage 80s mountain 
>> bikes that are just too close to justify getting a Clem. So when I saw the 
>> new Atlantis I was hooked. I have always loved the color and I've been 
>> dying to try the modern long wheelbase Rivs. 
>>
>> I've built a lot of bikes with different versions of the classic riv 
>> build so I was looking to do something different and (in my mind) modern. I 
>> decided on a 1x11 (ended up with a 1x10), fat tires, and the super wide 
>> Crust bars (swapped from my LHT which will go back to an upright bar). I 
>> was worried about having to use a couple black parts to make the 1x10 set 
>> up work but I think it looks pretty cool. I can do a full parts list if 
>> anyone is interested.
>>
>> I will still use my LHT for the majority of my committing and winter/rain 
>> riding. The Atlantis will be used for longer rides and hopefully adding 
>> some more serious mileage to my routine. I've seen my pleasure riding 
>> diminish recently, so it's time for a new bike and some new roads.
>>
>> I finished it last night and was able to get a few miles on it before 
>> dark (and of course it's been raining all day today!). I immediately found 
>> it a really engaging ride, especially compared to the LHT which is stable 
>> but a bit "dead." I'm a big guy and the combination of the stout frame, 
>> long wheelbase, and fat Compass 55cm tires makes for a stable and lively 
>> ride. I LOVE the extended read end, especially when cornering and 
>> accelerating from a seated position. I'll post a more detailed ride update 
>> with the rain clears.
>>
>> I should note that it took 2 chains because of the wheelbase, other than 
>> that everything went smoothly on the build.
>>
>> Best,
>> Brynnar
>> Indy
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 53 cm LWB Atlantis test ride

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This lines up very well with my experience on the 59 LWB Atlantis. I have 
85 miles of mostly paved trails and bike lanes (Indiana is not California) 
but I really like how stable and responsive the LWB is, especially 
accelerating from a seated position and downhill. Very confidence inspiring 
and stable but it still has the alive feel of a Rivendell. Makes me want to 
keep riding!

I also really like the LWB designation over the MIT. LWB-A?

Brynna

On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 11:53:32 AM UTC-4, Hugh Flynn wrote:
>
> Semi-related. I've been riding a 58cm Appaloosa for a couple of weeks now 
> (and a 55 for a few weeks before that). 
>
> All I can add is that from your ride report, the catalog is correct. 
> You're description of handling and "cush" with the LWB Atalantis is 
> remarkably similar to my experience riding the Appaloosas over mixed 
> terrain since early May. The one thing I will add is that I find myself 
> sitting and spinning up hills more with my Appaloosa more than I do on 
> shorter wheel base bikes - but that's a non-scientific observation. Perhaps 
> it's a result of the overall balance of the longer bike, maybe it's 
> something else, but it's simply something I've noticed. 
>
> For those with concerns about LWB bikes...I'm not finding anything to be 
> concerned about. The plush ride is delightful, and I have yet to find any 
> drawback when compared to my SWB bikes (or even my MWB bikes).
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:28 AM Lester Lammers  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the report. I'll have my 53cm built up soon but not soon 
>> enough.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The executive summary is the bike rides fantastically.  It really is 
>>> noticeably more supple and cushy than its predecessor.  If you're on the 
>>> fence about whether the "new & improved" version is worth getting excited 
>>> about, proceed to get excited.  At the price point, it's the deal of the 
>>> year.  If all you were looking for was thumbs-up-or-thumbs-down, read no 
>>> further.  It's truly everything the Atlantis has always been with subtle 
>>> improvements and nothing has been compromised or limited.
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

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If they were they are gone now. Both black and silver come up as out of 
stock when you put them in the shopping cart. Otherwise I'd buy another 
set. 

On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 2:15:50 PM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Limited run of the Crust Leather Bar Towel Rack 666mm Satan thingamajig 
> now for sale up on the Crust Bikes site. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

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I love Nitto stuff so much that I'd never want to ask them to do anything 
that puts them at risk, and I agree that even though the Noodle-moose would 
be the greatest stem/bar ever there would be no way to get the measurements 
correct for even a few, I bet. 

On to dreaming of other things. Did I mention that I'm crazy in love with 
my new Atlantis?

Brynnar
Indy


On Monday, June 25, 2018 at 2:58:21 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 5:20 AM, ctifusion  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info Grant. I can understand Nitto's position. I have a 
>> lot of miles on those bars in road and "gravel" conditions and I don't get 
>> any sense that they are weak or dangerous.
>>
>> Also, not sure what the deleted message said but I surely didn't intend 
>> this to be a controversial post. I'm not a "gravel grinder" guy trying to 
>> change Riv, just the opposite, 
>>
>> THe message I deleted, that was up for a minute or two, had a sentence 
> with a few missing words--typo. I just filled in the fix and deleted then 
> funky one, is all.
>
> Nitto's paranoia is well-earned. Nitto has developed a small following 
> here and in Europe in the past eight to ten years or so, and some 
> importers/distributors have made available to the Western market handlebars 
> that were originally developed for city use in Japan. They're made with 
> perfectly good aluminum (they are NITTO, after all), but aren't made to the 
> same strength standards as the hard-core/universal market bars are. But 
> people see them as cool, super inexpensive, under-the-radar Nitto bars, and 
> they use them for gnarly stuff. A few years ago some burly Germans and one 
> or two Americans broke five of those bars, and the ensuing recall (and the 
> management of it, by a US distributor who is not us or Merry Sales) cost 
> NITTO about a m...and lawsuits were filed even tho nobody was 
> permanently super seriously hurt.
> NITTO is a small company, 40 employees, average age pushing 60, and they 
> aren't raking it in, so this kind of stuff messes them up, and that's why 
> they test in-house more rigorously than industry standard tests, and that's 
> why they don't make wide drops. We could ask them to design a bar-stem 
> combo around a widey, but probably we'd be a centimeter and a degree or two 
> or three off for some, and perfect for nobody, and it might be 
> unsatisfying. Drops are mainly for road use, because for trail use you 
> don't want a forward braking position--on a steep descent it makes no 
> sense, don't even argue for it. A short stem can mitigate the weight-shift 
> a little, but also on a drop, your lower hand position makes it harder to 
> weight the rear wheel. Over the years there have been remedial stems--the 
> LD, the DirtDrop to name two, but they evolved with a focus on using drop 
> bars because the straight bars more popular had their own problems.
> For me and I think most people, the Goldilox bar for trail riding is a 
> swept-back, come-up bar, which offers the grip positions of a drop without 
> the forward lunge braking position that fights you on a downhill. Visuals 
> and histories come in play in a big way when picking handlebars, though, 
> and there's no use fighting them. Plus, there's always always the pull of 
> the unavailable bar, or the bar that just so combines elements of two or 
> three existing bars but itself doesn't exist.
> I rode Ultra Romance's 66wide drop bar Crust and loved it. I don't think 
> I'd put a bar like that on my bike, but if it were on my bike already, I 
> wouldn't be in a hurry to take it off, either. There's a lot of conflicting 
> good ways out there!
>  
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nitto tests bars and stems together and wants the bars to break before 
>>>> the stem. The bars are already strong, and they've found that even 51s (we 
>>>> had samples made) impose too much leverage on the stem. The workaround 
>>>> might be to make stronger stems, but then you get into a whole escalating 
>>>> mish-mash where one chases the other, and stems, which have forced 
>>>> dimensions inherited down the line, and then all you can do is make it 
>>>> steel. 
>>>> One of the drawbacks of working with NITTO is accepting their 
>>>> super-prudence in times like this.  It's like, also, when our 66cm Wavie 
>>>> bars come in---we'll recommend them only with CrMo or other Nitto

[RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[ctifusion]

Thanks for the info Grant. I can understand Nitto's position. I have a lot 
of miles on those bars in road and "gravel" conditions and I don't get any 
sense that they are weak or dangerous.

Also, not sure what the deleted message said but I surely didn't intend 
this to be a controversial post. I'm not a "gravel grinder" guy trying to 
change Riv, just the opposite, I think if people had a chance to try extra 
wide drop bars they would see how Riv-like the riding position is. I simply 
fell out of love with my 48 noodles after riding for a year or so on a bike 
with albatross bars (and another with the underrated surly open bar"). My 
point is that Rivendell has been instrumental in advancing smart, safe, and 
more comfortable ways to ride bikes. I rode tons of road bikes in the 90s 
and 00s with standard 42-44cm bars. In general the idea was to stretch out 
forward over the bike (long stem helped with the narrow bars). This put 
your arms into a more narrow position (and I was also taught to bring my 
elbows in). I know a lot of people that still ride this way and I'm not 
asking anyone to change, but I just like the more upright riding position 
that Rivendell has often supported.

Like I said, I'm not a huge Crust guy. I just happened to see a picture of 
that magic beard guy with a prototype of the 666mm bars and reached out to 
them at the right time and got a set of the bars. It took a while to get 
used to them (and the super short stem set up), and I still think they are 
a bit too wide, but I have to say I have been really transformed by the 
ability to ride drop bars while staying more in the position one is usually 
in with a set of upright bars, and go just a little faster. This has been a 
big deal for me. This was the reason I sold my Quickbeam and bought a new 
Atlantis. I thought the Atlantis was stout enough to handle the wide bars, 
and I love the way the Atlantis rides with the wide bars and huge 55m 
Compass tires. 

I'll keep an eye on my stem/bar combo, but I can't imagine the 5cm 
technomic is a risk in road and gravel trail riding. So maybe we need a 
55-58 Noodle AND a pretty 5cm cromo stem? :)

Thanks!
Brynnar
Indy





On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:23:38 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 12:22:45 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>
>> Nitto tests bars and stems together and wants the bars to break before 
>> the stem. The bars are already strong, and they've found that even 51s (we 
>> had samples made) impose too much leverage on the stem. The workaround 
>> might be to make stronger stems, but then you get into a whole escalating 
>> mish-mash where one chases the other, and stems, which have forced 
>> dimensions inherited down the line, and then all you can do is make it 
>> steel. 
>> One of the drawbacks of working with NITTO is accepting their 
>> super-prudence in times like this.  It's like, also, when our 66cm Wavie 
>> bars come in---we'll recommend them only with CrMo or other Nitto stems 
>> intended for mtn bikes. Some will mount them on Tallux (road) stems, but we 
>> will recommend something stronger. When NITTO hears "mountain bike riding" 
>> they imagine the worst and stupidest. Personally, I don't think at all that 
>> Crust is being IMprudent with the widies. It's a good company and they do 
>> neat, good things!
>>
>> On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 1:55:10 PM UTC-7, ctifusion wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure the 666mm Crust bars are way too wide for most, but I love 
>>> them. And they don't really make them anyway, I was just in the right place 
>>> when they brought out the one run. I keep waiting for someone to put a wide 
>>> drop bar into production.
>>>
>>> I think a 58 Noodle would be a huge hit for a lot of riders. 
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Brynnar
>>> Indy
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[ctifusion]

I'm sure the 666mm Crust bars are way too wide for most, but I love them. And 
they don't really make them anyway, I was just in the right place when they 
brought out the one run. I keep waiting for someone to put a wide drop bar into 
production.

I think a 58 Noodle would be a huge hit for a lot of riders. 

Thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[ctifusion]

Thanks everyone. My 8 year old son picked the dark teal tape from the riv site 
and it's a great match. An excellent local wheel builder (Scott at ICS) who 
I've known for many years built the wheels. Velocity Atlas with XT/T hubs 
(Shimano has added the T for XT touring hub I guess).

Such a fun ride. I'll add some comments after I get a real ride in. Looking 
forward to seeing pics of all the new rides!

Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

[ctifusion]

Thanks for speaking out Grant. It means a lot.

Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[ctifusion]

Ha! Too late, almost built up! I'll swing by later this week to show it off.

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[RBW] Re: Marty's Step-through Single

[ctifusion]

What guard is that? Bike looks great.

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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[ctifusion]

I need to check how to post pictures but these fit easily on the new Atlantis. 
Plenty of clearance on each side of the chainstays. And that's the tightest 
spot. 

On Velocity Atlas rims. I'd bet it will also be fine on wider rims.

Got the wrong stem and decided I needed a zero setback seatpost to get the 
reach I want, so the build is on hold. 

Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] New Atlantis! - First Riv

[ctifusion]

Great build! What's the strap for? I haven't seen that before.

Brynnar 
Indy

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Re: [RBW] Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

[ctifusion]

Exact same thing with a quickbeam, but I did change the cranks. Rear rack. Take 
off all racks.

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[RBW] Re: Wider Bars, Shorter Stem? Switched to 48cm Noodles.

[ctifusion]

I had to get a shorter stem when I first started riding the 48cm noodles 
too (9cm). I've been riding the Crust 66cm drops lately and I'm using a 
stem that is basically 3-4cm. I love the noodles but I wish Riv/Nitto would 
spec a wider version, like a 58cm. 

Brynnar
Indy

On Monday, May 21, 2018 at 1:56:04 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
> I've switched to 48cm Noodles on my Black Mountain Monstercross. I've 
> previously used Albastaches and before that had Nitto B132s, 44cm, which 
> are roughly 40cm at the hoods, so I'm going 8cm wider with Noodles.
> With the B132s, I was using an 11cm stem. With a 10cm stem and the 
> Noodles, I'm feeling like the bars are too far forward.
> I like the wider position, but didn't realize it would make such a big 
> difference in reach, though in hindsight that makes sense.
> Not really a question in here, but wondering if others had similar 
> experiences and how much shorter of a stem they ended up going with.
> David
> River Grove, IL
>

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[RBW] How are you going to build your new Atlantis?

[ctifusion]

I know for sure that I'm going to build new wheels and I will use the 666mm 
wide Crust drop bars, everything else is still to be decided. I'm wondering 
about tires as I want the fattest, fastest tires I can find and I'm not 
sure what all the options are nowadays. Will the new Compass 700x55s fit? 
I'm tempted to do a fancy/hip 1x10 build, but it's more likely that I'll do 
a partial vintage build to save money (this would mean taking apart one or 
two other bikes that mostly just get ridden around the neighborhood). 

I plan to use it as a fair weather commuter, long day with packed lunch 
rider, and adventure/expedition/S24 if I can figure out where to go. I have 
the time to do a couple 2-3 night tours a summer if I have all my stuff 
together. Where to go on a trip like that while leaving from Indianapolis 
is another problem/post.

Racks and Bags?

What are you thinking?

Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: Canti Sam Hillborne: No Cable Hangers

[ctifusion]

I do want to clarify that I was happy to hear that there are no cable 
hangers on the Canti Sam/ Atlantis so I could buy them before the day I 
decide to build the bike (that's happened before!). And I have ridden 
V-brakes and I totally agree that they stop way better than cantis. But I'm 
a big guy and most of my bikes are big and heavy with bags that I leave 
books in, etc., and I've never had a problem stopping. My commuter (60cm 
LHT with Surly racks) has a mis-matched set of old Tektros and I can easily 
lock up the rear and can endo with a strong pull of the front lever. If I 
was going to do a loaded tour over the Rockies I'd probably put on a set of 
V-brakes.

But I just love canti brakes, the look, setting them up, the feel. I have a 
whole box of old cantis and I can admit that I occasionally buy vintage 
sets on ebay for no good reason. So thanks for building the beautiful 
frames with cantilever posts. I'm happy to source the cable hangers myself.

Brynnar
Indy

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 11:36:05 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> We have cable hangers, diff kinds front and rear..it's just (now) one of 
> the things you pick. When we included short adjustables, people wanted long 
> ones, and vice versa. So now you just get the one you want, you plunk out 
> $10 or whatever it is, and everybody happy, unless you think it should be 
> included. (We'll trade one for your bottom bracket, ha. And seat post ha 
> and headset, and all those rack boss and bottle boss bolts, which so many 
> frames don't come with, ha. Ha.)
> V vs Canti
> They both WORK. V-brakes have a rep for being harder to modulate, but 
> modulation is in the hand muscles and brain waves, not the lever. It's like 
> saying "power brakes make me skid." You get used to them quick. I used to 
> dis V-brakes, but then...man, it's really hard to once you've used them in 
> stressy downhills. I like the looks of cantilevers, and I'd go with cantis 
> on Sams or 42mm tires or smaller (or thereabouts, it's not a hard line). 
> But for fatties, V's. Not hands down, but yes, they'd be my first. And 
> they're so easy to ... deal with, in the way that you deal with brakes. 
> The new Dia-Compe cantis and the Shimano CX-50, and Paul's are all good, 
> too. 
>
> The rear cable hanger absence: It makes sense to HAVE it if you use 
> cantilevers, but if you have V-brakes it goes unused, and since Nitto makes 
> such great little cable hangers. I think the tiny rear NITTO hangers are 
> some of the neatest things NITTO makes. They put so much work into such 
> small parts and make them look so good. I'm not winning any of these 
> arguments, but they aren't winnable on either side. It's just a style 
> thing, and all options are good!
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 7:41:11 AM UTC-7, d2mini wrote:
>>
>> Just received my SH Canti frame and realized there was no cable hangers 
>> included, permanent or otherwise.
>> Had to order some for front and back.
>> They went through the trouble to weld on the brake mounts... why not a 
>> rear cable hanger? Or tossing in some add-ons with included headset and 
>> seat post?
>> Not a big deal, just kinda curious on that decision.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Canti Sam Hillborne: No Cable Hangers

[ctifusion]

Thanks for mentioning this. I'm waiting for a new Atlantis and I just 
realized there are no cable hangers. I have noticed how Riv has been 
pushing V-brakes but I just can't go there. Even if they stop better, they 
are just too ugly for me. I've always loved the look of cantis and you get 
the satisfaction when you set them up and they actually stop the bike!

Brynnar
Indy







On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 4:46:06 PM UTC-4, Brett Callahan wrote:
>
> Joe, thanks, makes sense. As a newish Riv owner and board browser, I 
> hadn't put that together. 
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 9:34:45 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Brett: Canti-Sam is a generic term for 'not road brakes' because we're a 
>> bunch of retrogrouches used to the name Canti-Rom :-)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Journal Entry up at Analog Cycles: Disconnecting to get connected: A Journey in Satchidananda

[ctifusion]

Spiritual jazz and country bikes...

Awesome. Good luck.

Brynnar
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[RBW] Re: Truss-frame Atlantis!

[ctifusion]

Great to see one built up! I love it and can't wait until June.

brynnar
Indy

On Thursday, April 26, 2018 at 2:24:20 PM UTC-4, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Just sayin'… whooo-! ;-) 
>
>
> https://78.media.tumblr.com/62ae23b7bb4fbd8f15ada87868fc155b/tumblr_p7rjqyuo0M1qe3ngpo1_1280.jpg
>  
>
> =- Joe Bunik 
> Walnut Creek, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[ctifusion]

59cm new Atlantis.


 

> We want the pic, we want the pic!

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[RBW] Re: Sam 1x9 or 10

[ctifusion]

Thinking of a 1X set up for a new Atlantis. What shifters do you use for 
the 10/11 speed versions? I'm partial to bar-end friction.

Brynnar
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On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 4:27:39 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Adam, I just got a Crust Lightning Bolt with your shifting setup. It's 
> fantastic!

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[ctifusion]

Vince sent me a picture of the 59 with the second top tube. It arcs 
(curved) from the seat tube to the down tube with each joining about three 
inches from either the top tube or head tube. Vince didn't seem to think it 
was super secret, but it is not a staged pic and there are no decals so 
maybe it's not one that Riv wanted circulated (I thought the Blug mentioned 
more pics to come soon). I'm happy to post it if people think that's okay. 

I think it looks cool, especially the fillet brazed joints, and it's 
definitely a new style from earlier double top tubes. I ordered mine prior 
to seeing it as that seemed to add to the fun of being involved in the 
pre-sale.

So, to post or not to post? 

Brynnar
Indianapolis



On Thursday, April 19, 2018 at 4:42:20 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:
>
> We have not yet seen what the two larger sizes will look like, but wasn't 
> there a seat tube to downtube double top tube in there?
> Inspiration could have come from this:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-French-bicycle-frame-La-Triomphante-path-racer-randonneur-fixie/183159497124?hash=item2aa52821a4:g:cYEAAOSwRHVamvxg
>
> Got my double top tubes on my Appa 58,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 2:24:37 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Now you can put your money down on a new Atlantis:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-new-atlantis
>>
>> Happy shopping! 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seen on My instagram: 700x55 Compass slicks

[ctifusion]

I've had Compass on three bikes and I can't imagine buying any other tire 
(except maybe for a total city workhorse/grocery getter). This will fit on 
the new Atlantis and other RIv bikes with the 2.2 / 55cm clearance?

Brynnar
Indy

On Wednesday, April 11, 2018 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-4, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> I am a big believer in Compass tires now that I have spent some time with 
> the Barlow Pass on my Sam. I was initially really excited to see the 700x55 
> version coming out but I now wonder if they will even fit my Appaloosa. I 
> think the Atlantis and Hunqapillar clearances are a little more generous. I 
> will definitely buy them if I discover that they will fit my bike 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[ctifusion]

Thanks to Dave I was able to order a 59 today (have fun with the QB!). 
Maybe a bit on the big side but after a conversation with one of the nice 
young fellows at the global headquarters we decided that it was the right 
one for me. I'm going to run those super wide Crust (666mm) drops on it at 
first. I think with a 5cm technomic or a short dirt drop I'll be able to 
get it pretty close to where they are on my 60cm Surly LHT (60.5 TT). With 
the Rat Trap Pass tires that bike has 1 cm shorter stand over height but I 
should get the bars much higher on the Riv.  If not I'm happy to ride 
albatross on anything. Going to build some wheels and do a parts 
bin/vintage build first and then decide on how to set it up. Anyone 
thinking 1X11 or is that too cool already?

They said they would send me a pic of the extra top tube, which he 
described as arching from the seat tube to the down tube (??). I figured it 
would be fun to wing it and put the money down sight unseen. I don't think 
there has been an extra tube on any Riv that I didn't like, so...

It's been 12 years since I bought a Riv and 5 since I put together anything 
serious. My wife noted that I have built three vintage bikes in the last 
year or two but those don't count!

brynnar
Indy


On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 10:36:08 AM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:
>
> Is there info on exact tire sizes for the different sizes? I'm between the 
> 59 and 62. I like fat tires so I think I'm comfortable with the 59 which is 
> exciting as the recent sizing has not made me feel like there was a bike 
> out there that'd really fit. I'd prefer that they did fat 650b all the way 
> up the sizes but if I'm in the market for anything it's a fast-ish all-road 
> drop bar bike. Double top tube in the original Altantis color? COOL!
>
> This is the most excited I've been about a new Riv in a while. Anyone 
> interested in a 59cm 2004 Quickbeam??  
>
> Brynnar
> Indy
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>
>> As Keith points out standover heights are listed so you can also do 
>> PBH - 2.54 = standover as a starting point. That is to say the 
>> Standover should be 1in less than PBH (1 in crotch clearance in bare 
>> feet). 
>>
>> You can fudge 1 cm larger since you are wearing shoes which lifts you 
>> up, and 3cm maybe 4cm smaller on the 6deg frames. For skinny tires and 
>> road use go for the bigger end and for the fattest tires and off road 
>> use lean smaller. Bigger bikes ride more stable / smoother, may have 
>> less toe overlap (depends on tire size), and it's easier to get the 
>> bars higher so can be more comfortable as well. 
>>
>> Ignore the actual frame size in cm, since it doesn't correlate to 
>> non-Riv sizing, classic Riv bikes, or anything you rode in the 70's. 
>> Unless of course you rode a bike way to small in the 70's & 80's like 
>> many people did in which case it might be the same. 
>>
>> If I'm between sizes I also take top tube length into account when 
>> using drops, but it doesn't matter much at all for sweep back bars. 
>>
>> -Dave 
>>
>>
>> On 4/8/18, Dave Small <smallvint...@mac.com> wrote: 
>> > Thanks, Dave and iamkeith.  I'll do some cipherin' and figure out what 
>> I 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

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Is there info on exact tire sizes for the different sizes? I'm between the 
59 and 62. I like fat tires so I think I'm comfortable with the 59 which is 
exciting as the recent sizing has not made me feel like there was a bike 
out there that'd really fit. I'd prefer that they did fat 650b all the way 
up the sizes but if I'm in the market for anything it's a fast-ish all-road 
drop bar bike. Double top tube in the original Altantis color? COOL!

This is the most excited I've been about a new Riv in a while. Anyone 
interested in a 59cm 2004 Quickbeam??  

Brynnar
Indy



On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> As Keith points out standover heights are listed so you can also do 
> PBH - 2.54 = standover as a starting point. That is to say the 
> Standover should be 1in less than PBH (1 in crotch clearance in bare 
> feet). 
>
> You can fudge 1 cm larger since you are wearing shoes which lifts you 
> up, and 3cm maybe 4cm smaller on the 6deg frames. For skinny tires and 
> road use go for the bigger end and for the fattest tires and off road 
> use lean smaller. Bigger bikes ride more stable / smoother, may have 
> less toe overlap (depends on tire size), and it's easier to get the 
> bars higher so can be more comfortable as well. 
>
> Ignore the actual frame size in cm, since it doesn't correlate to 
> non-Riv sizing, classic Riv bikes, or anything you rode in the 70's. 
> Unless of course you rode a bike way to small in the 70's & 80's like 
> many people did in which case it might be the same. 
>
> If I'm between sizes I also take top tube length into account when 
> using drops, but it doesn't matter much at all for sweep back bars. 
>
> -Dave 
>
>
> On 4/8/18, Dave Small  wrote: 
> > Thanks, Dave and iamkeith.  I'll do some cipherin' and figure out what I 
> > would need. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Quickbeam Coleman Green 56cm

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Congrats. I would't even consider selling mine for double that.


On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 4:00:54 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Congrats for being fast on the trigger! You got an amazing deal on an 
> amazing bike. Enjoy!

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam: A Three Year Retrospective

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Deacon,

Thanks for both posts. Sitting at home on a cold day reading about riding when 
I should have just suited up and went out!

This post inspires me to write up a similar retrospective on my Quickbeam. I've 
had mine for 10 years and it is the most beautiful, fun, and inspiring bike 
I've ever owned. Always makes me happy. This year I put those Barlow Pass tires 
on  it and was transformed again by the ride. 

I hate to admit after all the interesting gear discussion that, being in 
Indianapolis, I just run mine single speed. Can't tell you the ratio, just a 
little harder than it should be so I can cruise the flats here.

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: I need help. I have become a Riv enabler.

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A1 Cyclery in Indianapolis had a tall Black one this fall, not sure if it's 
still there. Beautiful and so classy. I tried to get my buddy to buy the big 
Clem they had in stock after his first bike got stolen after his first year 
riding. He wasn't ready to spend the $ and we got lucky and found a tall 
late-80s GT mountain bike on Craigslist. With some help from A1 we built it up 
in budget Riv style. He'll be back for a Riv in a couple years. I could see it 
in his eyes!

Brynnar

 

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[RBW] Re: Winter Ramble

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Thanks for the tire comment. I got caught in Indy this year with early winter 
weather and no winter tires. I ride my 26inch Surly LHT in the winter here and 
the Compass Rat Trap Pass do not handle icy roads well. I'm going to get a set 
of the RRs.

Under 20 I go with a quality snowboarding helmet. Don't even need a hat under 
until close to 0. Dorky, but also adds some safety when riding in the early 
dark evenings. 

Bob! Let's have a coffee sometime.

Brynnar

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[RBW] Re: Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44

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Will these fit on a Quickbeam? I'm still using the stock rims (green, 2004). I 
put a set of the 38 Compass tires on this summer and love them but would like a 
bit more width if possible. I didn't see these when I got mine.

B
Indy

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[RBW] Re: ISO 16 9 or 10 speed Shimano cassette cog spacers

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This ebay seller machines small parts (good quality, inexpensive, fast 
shipping). I bet he could make what you needed.

Brynnar
Indy

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:50:01 PM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:

 I probably asked onlist before, but I've not found any, so here goes 
 again. This to roll my own 9 speed cassettes for both Fargo wheelsets, 
 the Big Apple one and the Kojak one. 

 Also, I could use 2 Shimano lockrings with the deeper threading. 

 Trades preferred tho' I have a small bit of cash. 

 Please reply offlist. 

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