Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Patrick Moore]

I went as far as needed.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:54 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Thanks, Patrick.  But you went a wee bit further than I had intended for
> the definition.  All's OK though!
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:49:45 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting
>> style of Grant Wood.
>>
>> Chicago
>> BY CARL SANDBURG
>> Hog Butcher for the World,
>>Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
>>Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
>>Stormy, husky, brawling,
>>City of the Big Shoulders:
>>
>> They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your
>> painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
>> And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have
>> seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
>> And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women
>> and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
>> And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my
>> city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
>> Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be
>> alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
>> Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a
>> tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
>> Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage
>> pitted against the wilderness,
>>Bareheaded,
>>Shoveling,
>>Wrecking,
>>Planning,
>>Building, breaking, rebuilding,
>> Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
>> Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
>> Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
>> Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his
>> ribs the heart of the people,
>>Laughing!
>> Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked,
>> sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player
>> with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on
>>> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>>>
>>> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>>>
>>> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read
>>> Carl Sandburg.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?


 On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick 
> wrote:
>
>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression,
>> "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the
>> Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not
>> sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't
>> know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>
>
> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
> not.
>
 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
 Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
 an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
 To view this discussion on the web visit
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3edb9078-4b73-41ee-af98-e17f64bb581an%40googlegroups.com
 
 .

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
>>> services
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>>
>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>>
>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[George Schick]

Thanks, Patrick.  But you went a wee bit further than I had intended for 
the definition.  All's OK though!


On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 1:49:45 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting 
> style of Grant Wood. 
>
> Chicago
> BY CARL SANDBURG
> Hog Butcher for the World,
>Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
>Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
>Stormy, husky, brawling,
>City of the Big Shoulders:
>
> They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your 
> painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
> And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen 
> the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
> And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and 
> children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
> And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my 
> city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
> Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be 
> alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
> Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a 
> tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
> Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted 
> against the wilderness,
>Bareheaded,
>Shoveling,
>Wrecking,
>Planning,
>Building, breaking, rebuilding,
> Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
> Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
> Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
> Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his 
> ribs the heart of the people,
>Laughing!
> Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, 
> sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player 
> with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on 
>> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>>
>> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>>
>> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read 
>> Carl Sandburg.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, 
> "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the 
> Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not 
> sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't 
> know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>

 I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an 
 expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly 
 the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike 
 parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. 
 Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do 
 not.

>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3edb9078-4b73-41ee-af98-e17f64bb581an%40googlegroups.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Patrick Moore]

Can't resist. Sandburg's literary style is an analogue of the painting
style of Grant Wood.

Chicago
BY CARL SANDBURG
Hog Butcher for the World,
   Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
   Player with Railroads and the Nation's Freight Handler;
   Stormy, husky, brawling,
   City of the Big Shoulders:

They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your
painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen
the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and
children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city,
and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive
and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall
bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted
against the wilderness,
   Bareheaded,
   Shoveling,
   Wrecking,
   Planning,
   Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his ribs
the heart of the people,
   Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked,
sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player
with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.



On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 12:46 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on
> the hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."
>
> "Hog butcher for the world ..."
>
> Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read
> Carl Sandburg.
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>>
 Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression,
 "...squeal like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the
 Midwest where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not
 sure).  Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't
 know what you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.

>>>
>>> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
>>> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
>>> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
>>> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>>> not.
>>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3edb9078-4b73-41ee-af98-e17f64bb581an%40googlegroups.com
>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>


-- 

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---

Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
services

---

*When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*

*But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*

*I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Patrick Moore]

Answer that and you'll understand "bleed like a stuck pig" and "high on the
hog." Also apparently "kick the bucket."

"Hog butcher for the world ..."

Patrick "Yes I looked it up but I had a suspicion" Moore, who has read Carl
Sandburg.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?
>
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>>
>>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal
>>> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
>>> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
>>> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what
>>> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>>
>>
>> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an
>> expression I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly
>> the sounds of disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike
>> parks. I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>> not.
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3edb9078-4b73-41ee-af98-e17f64bb581an%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>


-- 

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---

Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
services

---

*When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*

*But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*

*I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgumJiB_6XbebWOPEfFRVfdwjW6LALf%3DxPUzVGGfQAw7sg%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Patrick Moore]

Calipers can squeal too. I had a pair of to quality -- forged -- single
pivots of which the front squealed only in cold weather -- this with good
condition salmon pads. The same brake and pads had not squealed on an
earlier bike.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 11:01 AM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> ... I will say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing.
>> Cantilvers and V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do
>> not.
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgvWoz7Sjk%2BOCtMoQ7yzirZ689FzN5ZQU08RzVHgqXMRaQ%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[George Schick]

Ah, well do you know what that expression actually means?


On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 12:01:03 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal 
>> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest 
>> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).  
>> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what 
>> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>>
>
> I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an expression 
> I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly the sounds of 
> disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike parks. I will 
> say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. Cantilvers and 
> V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do not.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3edb9078-4b73-41ee-af98-e17f64bb581an%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[藍俊彪]

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:39 AM George Schick  wrote:

> Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal
> like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest
> where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).
> Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what
> you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.
>

I grew up in Singapore, nowhere near the USA. I think it was an expression
I either picked up from reading or from co-workers. Certainly the sounds of
disc brakes squealing are common here in the mountain bike parks. I will
say that not just disc brakes are guilty of said squealing. Cantilvers and
V-brakes are also known to squeal. Sidepulls by contrast do not.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAPh0EZ7u0mWEzQK0jg2hQh%3DCPKkyA%2BHnhR-TCZdEQp2mG5vjaw%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[George Schick]

Piaw, what part of the country are you from?  The expression, "...squeal 
like a stuck pig..." is something I rarely hear outside of the Midwest 
where I live (well, maybe the South or even the Plain states, not sure).  
Seems to me like most folk out there on the West Coast wouldn't know what 
you meant by that and would just give you a funny look.

On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 11:20:26 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can 
> understand his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far 
> as I can tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness 
> (strength, modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity 
> and ease of setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front 
> disc/rear rim brake system.
>
>
> Grant's approval shouldn't matter. What I'm curious about is how the bike 
> performs under hard braking. My understanding is that disc brakes demand 
> much beefier dropouts and forks, and whether the disc brake won't cause 
> problems with super skinny fork blades that Rivendell uses because the 
> assumption is that you'll be using rim brakes. Any approval or "street 
> creds" should always be secondary to safety concerns.
>
> I use rim brakes because I never found disc brakes that didn't squeal like 
> a stuck pig under hard braking conditions. Despite all my attempts I've 
> only managed to wear out rims from braking in muddy conditions exactly 
> once, and that was on a 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 that was treated like a 
> submersible (the bike shop used that as an excuse not to warranty the BB 
> after just 3 months of use) and ridden through knee deep rivers --- even 
> then it took me a good 10 years to do so! Granted I live in California, but 
> I also deliberately make it a point to ride my Roadini off road whenever I 
> can in the winter season --- when it's cold and rainy the slowness of a 
> gravel bike no longer bothers me. 
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6802ee4d-7a3a-408b-a354-acf07fffd8cen%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Piaw Na]

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can understand 
his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far as I can 
tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness (strength, 
modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity and ease of 
setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front disc/rear rim 
brake system.


Grant's approval shouldn't matter. What I'm curious about is how the bike 
performs under hard braking. My understanding is that disc brakes demand 
much beefier dropouts and forks, and whether the disc brake won't cause 
problems with super skinny fork blades that Rivendell uses because the 
assumption is that you'll be using rim brakes. Any approval or "street 
creds" should always be secondary to safety concerns.

I use rim brakes because I never found disc brakes that didn't squeal like 
a stuck pig under hard braking conditions. Despite all my attempts I've 
only managed to wear out rims from braking in muddy conditions exactly 
once, and that was on a 1993 Bridgestone MB-3 that was treated like a 
submersible (the bike shop used that as an excuse not to warranty the BB 
after just 3 months of use) and ridden through knee deep rivers --- even 
then it took me a good 10 years to do so! Granted I live in California, but 
I also deliberately make it a point to ride my Roadini off road whenever I 
can in the winter season --- when it's cold and rainy the slowness of a 
gravel bike no longer bothers me. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fd3bc97a-f9eb-4d1b-b595-cfc2efcf43ffn%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Todd G]

Disc brakes on this era of Atlantis make me very happy! So good!



On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:19:56 PM UTC-8 frank_a wrote:

>
> I used to own this bike. It was a demo that I bought complete from 
> Rivendell. I sold it to a  forum member and he’s the one who added   the 
> disc mounts. He listed it for sale not long after that as I remember. I 
> still have the original unadulterated fork.
>   - Frank 
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 4:50:28 PM UTC-5 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel 
>> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of 
>> conditions and terrains, dry and wet. 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Or, "baulk."
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. 

>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/eRDHLe2BSC4/unsubscribe
>>> .
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtGNv_Q9%2BJt_5hGaL82qzKqww%2B5sE2_CYycs4Qikey4wA%40mail.gmail.com
>>>  
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b9c83577-c554-4a56-a52a-93d233ee3247n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I used to own this bike. It was a demo that I bought complete from 
Rivendell. I sold it to a  forum member and he’s the one who added   the 
disc mounts. He listed it for sale not long after that as I remember. I 
still have the original unadulterated fork.
  - Frank 
On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 4:50:28 PM UTC-5 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel 
> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of 
> conditions and terrains, dry and wet. 
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Or, "baulk."
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. 
>>>
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the 
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/eRDHLe2BSC4/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtGNv_Q9%2BJt_5hGaL82qzKqww%2B5sE2_CYycs4Qikey4wA%40mail.gmail.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0bb7d382-6e28-41dd-9a62-7585a09efac1n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks; yes, I've heard of these; my brother who has ridden them
extensively thinks very highly of them.

I will add them to my short list of tires for a 2nd dirt-surface wheelset
to complement the Soma Supple Vitesse SLs that ride and handle so nicely on
pavement.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:50 PM Miles Payton  wrote:

> Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel
> tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of
> conditions and terrains, dry and wet.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Or, "baulk."
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion.
>>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/eRDHLe2BSC4/unsubscribe
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtGNv_Q9%2BJt_5hGaL82qzKqww%2B5sE2_CYycs4Qikey4wA%40mail.gmail.com
>> 
>> .
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAHRpJ3_XCxS69BgWRhafX9THqucfZ%2BLq6udYtymh7cFTs4oW%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com
> 
> .
>


-- 

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---

Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
services

---

*When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*

*But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*

*I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgvABrEcub_W%2BTT1s4-v_%2BJX%3DB42kk_b0KyLcQxGYK%3Dbyg%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Miles Payton]

Patrick, tires are Soma Cazadero 700x50mm. They’re an underrated gravel
tire I think. Fast, very light, supple, perform pretty well in a variety of
conditions and terrains, dry and wet.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 3:15 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Or, "baulk."
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion.
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/eRDHLe2BSC4/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtGNv_Q9%2BJt_5hGaL82qzKqww%2B5sE2_CYycs4Qikey4wA%40mail.gmail.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAHRpJ3_XCxS69BgWRhafX9THqucfZ%2BLq6udYtymh7cFTs4oW%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Patrick Moore]

Or, "baulk."

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:13 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgtGNv_Q9%2BJt_5hGaL82qzKqww%2B5sE2_CYycs4Qikey4wA%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Patrick Moore]

George: I daresay Grant would balk at this conversion. And I can understand
his allegiance to rim brakes; of all the kinds of brakes, as far as I can
tell, rim brakes give the biggest return in effectiveness (strength,
modulation, time between fettling) with the greatest simplicity and ease of
setup. And I can understand someone choosing a hybrid front disc/rear rim
brake system.

But I have to say, that disc's Atlantis is really nice!

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:05 PM George Schick  wrote:

> Patrick - I don't think Grant would approve.  But everyone has their own
> preference.  I have a Surly 1x1 with a disc on the front fork and a linear
> pull on the rear.  The reason for that is because when I first bought it
> and had it set up like that it had a fixed/SS flip-flop hub on the rear
> which would have made a disc option impossible.  My experience with fixed
> was short lived, however, and now I just run a single speed sprocket.  I'm
> not sorry that it worked out that way, though, and I like it the way it is.
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an
>> Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they
>> eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv
>> Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles
>> was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper
>> brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very
>> light rims to be used if that's of interest.)
>>
>> But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done
>> symmetrically and right.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Brenton Eastman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount
>>> option and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
>>>
>>> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most
>>> logical route, it results in a very unique ride!
>>>
>>> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry
>>> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
>>>
>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>>
>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/410ffe38-c00a-4282-a0ec-133366ec3b60n%40googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/190ffd70-7c0c-4ea8-9237-d72b69bac98en%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>


-- 

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---

Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
services

---

*When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*

*But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*

*I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfguNhoh5fec%2BwiR7%3DZOvWVEN7fkSf99FOfEmT%3DrvDscXuQ%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Miles Payton]

You’d have to ask the previous owner who commissioned this custom fork. But
I would have done it the same way. I appreciate the versatility in having
the option to go full canti or v brake somewhere down the line. And this
way it’s symmetrical.


On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 2:10 PM George Schick  wrote:

> I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option
> and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I picked up this frameset and extras from Bingo a couple months here and
>> wanted to share with y'all the final (ha!) build. Some parts I had laying
>> around or poached from other bikes (the Hunt wheelset, the Woodchipper bars
>> and Gevenalle shifters), though the drivetrain was a pretty specific vision
>> of a '90's friction-friendly wide-range 3x10. And it's a disc-modified
>> frame and aftermarket fork so I had to make it a disc brake build with the
>> TRP Spyres.
>>
>> Yeah it's an odd one. The owner of my LBS said I had one foot in hell
>> building it up. It's smooth as hell at least. I told myself I wouldn't
>> hesitate if the right Atlantis popped up on this group, and lo and behold
>> one did.
>>
>> The dog isn't mine, it and its friend live near Mission San Juan in south
>> San Antonio and they were happy to follow me and my wife for a bit on the
>> mission trail.
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the
> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/eRDHLe2BSC4/unsubscribe
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7a3b5cdf-8750-4c98-bcc6-f7cb86ed772en%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAHRpJ3-9GeQ8Mpe1wFs21Xsuxz1Y76sv7WCvy0Dhys13xOWemA%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[George Schick]

Patrick - I don't think Grant would approve.  But everyone has their own 
preference.  I have a Surly 1x1 with a disc on the front fork and a linear 
pull on the rear.  The reason for that is because when I first bought it 
and had it set up like that it had a fixed/SS flip-flop hub on the rear 
which would have made a disc option impossible.  My experience with fixed 
was short lived, however, and now I just run a single speed sprocket.  I'm 
not sorry that it worked out that way, though, and I like it the way it is.


On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an 
> Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they 
> eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv 
> Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles 
> was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper 
> brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very 
> light rims to be used if that's of interest.)
>
> But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done 
> symmetrically and right.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Brenton Eastman  
> wrote:
>
>> [I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount 
>> option and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
>>
>> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most 
>> logical route, it results in a very unique ride! 
>>
>> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry 
>> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
>>
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>
> To view this discussion on the web visit 
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/410ffe38-c00a-4282-a0ec-133366ec3b60n%40googlegroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> .
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
> ---
>
> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
> services
>
>
> ---
>
> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>
> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>
> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/190ffd70-7c0c-4ea8-9237-d72b69bac98en%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Patrick Moore]

I think that the custom adaptation is just right; after all, it is an
Atlantis. Also, practically, one reason for disc brakes is that they
eliminate rim scouring -- recall a 20 mile ride on my Joe Starck custom Riv
Road gofast where I got caught in the rain on the return; even ~10 miles
was enough for at least light scouring on the front (single front caliper
brake) rim as grit in water splashed onto the rims. (Discs also allow very
light rims to be used if that's of interest.)

But if I were to customize an Atlantis with discs, I'd want it done
symmetrically and right.



On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 1:46 PM Brenton Eastman 
wrote:

> [I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option
> and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]
>
> While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most
> logical route, it results in a very unique ride!
>
> There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry
> available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/410ffe38-c00a-4282-a0ec-133366ec3b60n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>


-- 

Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
---

Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing
services

---

*When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*

*But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*

*I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgsf5Eum2UBQdZn_H08L_yr6%3DSqfZv4GE8VCTKbCkfWUvw%40mail.gmail.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[Brenton Eastman]

[I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option 
and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?]

While an exploratory project like this might not be the quickest or most 
logical route, it results in a very unique ride! 

There are probably lugged frame+forks out there with Atlantis geometry 
available to buy+build, but where's the fun in that?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/410ffe38-c00a-4282-a0ec-133366ec3b60n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis special disc edition

[George Schick]

I'm curious why you didn't just replace the fork with a disc mount option 
and leave the rear a canti/linear pull brake?


On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:33:50 PM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:

> I picked up this frameset and extras from Bingo a couple months here and 
> wanted to share with y'all the final (ha!) build. Some parts I had laying 
> around or poached from other bikes (the Hunt wheelset, the Woodchipper bars 
> and Gevenalle shifters), though the drivetrain was a pretty specific vision 
> of a '90's friction-friendly wide-range 3x10. And it's a disc-modified 
> frame and aftermarket fork so I had to make it a disc brake build with the 
> TRP Spyres.
>
> Yeah it's an odd one. The owner of my LBS said I had one foot in hell 
> building it up. It's smooth as hell at least. I told myself I wouldn't 
> hesitate if the right Atlantis popped up on this group, and lo and behold 
> one did.
>
> The dog isn't mine, it and its friend live near Mission San Juan in south 
> San Antonio and they were happy to follow me and my wife for a bit on the 
> mission trail.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7a3b5cdf-8750-4c98-bcc6-f7cb86ed772en%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Matt B.]

That's definitely a 58, going by the size of the wheels (700c).  They do 
say they measured 56cm center to center, whereas Rivendell uses center to 
top.

On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 2:44:24 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> It’s this one. If it wasn’t an hour each way I’d go check it out myself. 
>
>  
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bid/d/tacoma-rivendell-atlantis-complete-bike/7617558417.html
>
> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 8:35:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This one? Looks like a 58 to me. 
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-touring/7618050500.html
>>
>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:46:01 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> What do you think the numbers should be?  For sure you can't fake or 
>>> mistake 700c.  If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old.  The newer ones have the 
>>> newer decals and no '2'.  If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could 
>>> possibly be is a 58.  If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn 
>>> close to 56cm center to center.  The standover seems spot on for a 58.  A 
>>> 58 should have more like a 58.5cm effective top tube, center to center, so 
>>> that's the one discrepancy.  I'd bet a dollar that it's an unreliable 
>>> measurer, and that it's a 58.  
>>>
>>> How much do they want for it?  Do you have a link?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm 
 ST/57cm TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 

 This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is 
 this a custom?

 Eliot

>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/b18fac09-7843-4f63-82fc-7d61ee1d2453n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Eliot Balogh]

It was originally advertised as a 59cm with a link to the most recent mile
long chainstay geometry.

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:57 AM Josiah Anderson 
wrote:

> That Atlantis is being sold by Second Cycle, a shop that I used to work at
> and have a long connection with. I would be surprised if they're measuring
> incorrectly. I do see that they're listing the seat tube length center to
> center, whereas Rivendell lists their seat tube lengths center to top.
> Echoing others' questions, what seems wrong about it to you? Those
> measurements seem plausible to me.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le sam. 6 mai 2023 à 12:44 PM, Eliot B  a écrit :
>
>> It’s this one. If it wasn’t an hour each way I’d go check it out myself.
>>
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bid/d/tacoma-rivendell-atlantis-complete-bike/7617558417.html
>>
>> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 8:35:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This one? Looks like a 58 to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-touring/7618050500.html
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:46:01 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 What do you think the numbers should be?  For sure you can't fake or
 mistake 700c.  If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old.  The newer ones have the
 newer decals and no '2'.  If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could
 possibly be is a 58.  If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn
 close to 56cm center to center.  The standover seems spot on for a 58.  A
 58 should have more like a 58.5cm effective top tube, center to center, so
 that's the one discrepancy.  I'd bet a dollar that it's an unreliable
 measurer, and that it's a 58.

 How much do they want for it?  Do you have a link?

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm
> ST/57cm TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover.
>
> This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is
> this a custom?
>
> Eliot
>
 --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a7a00f03-f9a6-433b-b78f-2e12fb83d1b5n%40googlegroups.com
>> 
>> .
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CADqZWjNEkRkbOYf47VZyKO8t_ZKQVwOvgXRxeaRKutMModW1pQ%40mail.gmail.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAALGE1XbptUVO6TPfZnsfA1U%2BF8p0HLLjn%2BxgP%2BChNmT4OJckw%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Josiah Anderson]

That Atlantis is being sold by Second Cycle, a shop that I used to work at
and have a long connection with. I would be surprised if they're measuring
incorrectly. I do see that they're listing the seat tube length center to
center, whereas Rivendell lists their seat tube lengths center to top.
Echoing others' questions, what seems wrong about it to you? Those
measurements seem plausible to me.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula, MT

Le sam. 6 mai 2023 à 12:44 PM, Eliot B  a écrit :

> It’s this one. If it wasn’t an hour each way I’d go check it out myself.
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bid/d/tacoma-rivendell-atlantis-complete-bike/7617558417.html
>
> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 8:35:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This one? Looks like a 58 to me.
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-touring/7618050500.html
>>
>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:46:01 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> What do you think the numbers should be?  For sure you can't fake or
>>> mistake 700c.  If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old.  The newer ones have the
>>> newer decals and no '2'.  If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could
>>> possibly be is a 58.  If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn
>>> close to 56cm center to center.  The standover seems spot on for a 58.  A
>>> 58 should have more like a 58.5cm effective top tube, center to center, so
>>> that's the one discrepancy.  I'd bet a dollar that it's an unreliable
>>> measurer, and that it's a 58.
>>>
>>> How much do they want for it?  Do you have a link?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm
 ST/57cm TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover.

 This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is
 this a custom?

 Eliot

>>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a7a00f03-f9a6-433b-b78f-2e12fb83d1b5n%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CADqZWjNEkRkbOYf47VZyKO8t_ZKQVwOvgXRxeaRKutMModW1pQ%40mail.gmail.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Eliot B]

It’s this one. If it wasn’t an hour each way I’d go check it out myself. 

 
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/bid/d/tacoma-rivendell-atlantis-complete-bike/7617558417.html

On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 8:35:34 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This one? Looks like a 58 to me. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-touring/7618050500.html
>
> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:46:01 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> What do you think the numbers should be?  For sure you can't fake or 
>> mistake 700c.  If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old.  The newer ones have the 
>> newer decals and no '2'.  If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could 
>> possibly be is a 58.  If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn 
>> close to 56cm center to center.  The standover seems spot on for a 58.  A 
>> 58 should have more like a 58.5cm effective top tube, center to center, so 
>> that's the one discrepancy.  I'd bet a dollar that it's an unreliable 
>> measurer, and that it's a 58.  
>>
>> How much do they want for it?  Do you have a link?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm 
>>> ST/57cm TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 
>>>
>>> This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is 
>>> this a custom?
>>>
>>> Eliot
>>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a7a00f03-f9a6-433b-b78f-2e12fb83d1b5n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Joe Bernard]

This one? Looks like a 58 to me. 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bik/d/santa-cruz-rivendell-atlantis-touring/7618050500.html

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:46:01 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What do you think the numbers should be?  For sure you can't fake or 
> mistake 700c.  If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old.  The newer ones have the 
> newer decals and no '2'.  If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could 
> possibly be is a 58.  If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn 
> close to 56cm center to center.  The standover seems spot on for a 58.  A 
> 58 should have more like a 58.5cm effective top tube, center to center, so 
> that's the one discrepancy.  I'd bet a dollar that it's an unreliable 
> measurer, and that it's a 58.  
>
> How much do they want for it?  Do you have a link?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm ST/57cm 
>> TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 
>>
>> This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is this 
>> a custom?
>>
>> Eliot
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0400ea22-025e-4405-ba0f-dea4db6b3690n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Bill Lindsay]

What do you think the numbers should be?  For sure you can't fake or 
mistake 700c.  If it's an Atlantis 2, it's old.  The newer ones have the 
newer decals and no '2'.  If it's 700c and old, the smallest it could 
possibly be is a 58.  If it's a 58 it would be 58cm center to top and darn 
close to 56cm center to center.  The standover seems spot on for a 58.  A 
58 should have more like a 58.5cm effective top tube, center to center, so 
that's the one discrepancy.  I'd bet a dollar that it's an unreliable 
measurer, and that it's a 58.  

How much do they want for it?  Do you have a link?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 10:07:29 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm ST/57cm 
> TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 
>
> This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is this 
> a custom?
>
> Eliot
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6eb86ce4-f963-4a6c-a60a-f87754dd6dcen%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 2 sizing ? Inquiring about a local sale

[Julian Westerhout]

Eliot, 

If it is local to you and that's near your preferred size go take a look -- 
 many people do not accurately measure bike frames when selling them. The 
joy of a local sale is that you can go look at it ride, it, examine it, 
and, if you want, measure it yourself -- all of which will tell you much 
more than we folks on the internet without photos or knowledge of the bike 
could ever do!:) 

Julian "Happy Toyo Atlantis owner" Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 



On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 12:07:29 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is an Atlantis 2 for sale nearby. They are reporting a 56cm ST/57cm 
> TT with 700c wheels and 84cm standover. 
>
> This sizing seems off to me for a 700c. Anyone have any insight ? Is this 
> a custom?
>
> Eliot
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/5027db71-6f2c-479f-9bad-33e23d725316n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 59CM

[max.c....@gmail.com]

I am so sad I missed this! Happy riding to the new owner.

If anyone else out there is looking to make a similar sale...holler

On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 7:40:25 PM UTC-5 brenpe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello Everyone, 
>
> Thank you all for your interest in my Atlantis the bike has *SOLD*. 
>
> Cheers,
> Bren 
>
> On Aug 16, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Brenden Perella  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
>
>
> I just received my 61 Toyo Atlantis and have been currently owning/riding 
> a 59cm Atlantis for around 7 months. It’s a beautiful bike and a great ride 
> it has always been a place holder for the Toyo…so I am interested in 
> selling the 59cm. I would like to sell it to another Riv enthusiast like 
> myself so I decided to try listing it here first. 
>
> I’m selling it as is in the photos not a complete build but some great 
> bones for one… 
>
> This includes - 
> Frame & Fork - Rivendell Atlantis 59CM 
> Headset - FSA
> Crankset & BB - IRD Cranks are 172.5mm 
> Wheels are mismatched built by a good friend…
> Front Wheel -Velocity Dyad with Shimano Tiagra front hub 
> Rear wheel - Velocity Atlas with Shimano Deore LX hub 
> 700c x 38 Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires 
> **REAR CASSETTE NOT INCLUDED** 
>
> PRICE - $1,400.00 including all listed above! 
> Shipping Price - will have to be discussed after the bike is purchased. 
>
> I am including some photos below -The bike is in incredible shape and has 
> only ever lived indoors. I included the minimal paint chips and or 
> scratches but please ask if you want to see more photos. (Including a photo 
> of it fully built to give you an idea of how it looks all built up) 
>
> All additional photos can be viewed via this link - 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/193708122@N07/albums/72157719742627665
>
> 
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/e5cb2583-e854-4983-aef0-22d8aff2f261n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 59CM

[Brenden Perella]

Hello Everyone, 

Thank you all for your interest in my Atlantis the bike has SOLD. 

Cheers,
Bren 

> On Aug 16, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Brenden Perella  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just received my 61 Toyo Atlantis and have been currently owning/riding a 
> 59cm Atlantis for around 7 months. It’s a beautiful bike and a great ride it 
> has always been a place holder for the Toyo…so I am interested in selling the 
> 59cm. I would like to sell it to another Riv enthusiast like myself so I 
> decided to try listing it here first. 
> 
> I’m selling it as is in the photos not a complete build but some great bones 
> for one… 
> 
> This includes - 
> Frame & Fork - Rivendell Atlantis 59CM 
> Headset - FSA
> Crankset & BB - IRD Cranks are 172.5mm 
> Wheels are mismatched built by a good friend…
> Front Wheel -Velocity Dyad with Shimano Tiagra front hub 
> Rear wheel - Velocity Atlas with Shimano Deore LX hub 
> 700c x 38 Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires 
> **REAR CASSETTE NOT INCLUDED** 
> 
> PRICE - $1,400.00 including all listed above! 
> Shipping Price - will have to be discussed after the bike is purchased. 
> 
> I am including some photos below -The bike is in incredible shape and has 
> only ever lived indoors. I included the minimal paint chips and or scratches 
> but please ask if you want to see more photos. (Including a photo of it fully 
> built to give you an idea of how it looks all built up) 
> 
> All additional photos can be viewed via this link - 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/193708122@N07/albums/72157719742627665
> 
> 
> 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CD9225DA-3264-46EB-929A-37E08800B03A%40gmail.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

[Addison Quarles]

To be clear-- this bike has sold, right? 

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 10:07:32 AM UTC-7 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Gabriel -- looks like it's a bit too small for me. I 
> think I'm just a victim of wishful thinking; I'd love to find a used 
> Atlantis but I don't want to sacrifice fit just to finally have one!
>
> On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Hargrove wrote:
>
>> Max,
>>
>> Here's a chart from Rivendell's site circa 2007 to align your PBH with 
>> the appropriate frame size. FWIW, I have an 82 PBH, and this same frame 
>> (56, 2007)- it fits me better than an other off the shelf bike I've owned. 
>> I'll include the 56cm geo in case you're curious. I'd also go so far as to 
>> say that with a pair of Paul Motolites, this could probably function well 
>> as a 650b frame, as well.
>>
>> Gabriel
>> Huntington Beach, CA
>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 9:30:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I think you're right, that looks like an early Toyo Atlantis "2" with 
>>> the pointed head lug and I think those tires say Rat Trap Pass on them. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:37:43 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is 
 my size.

 Ian A Alberta Canada

 On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:

> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  
> efforts to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B 
> wheelset.  I will add more information this evening... 
> 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.
>
> Please let me know if interested... am in MA.
>
> Thanks,
> -John
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/924c0c66-12ed-408b-a9f2-24d0d8e64facn%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

[max.c....@gmail.com]

Thanks for the reply Gabriel -- looks like it's a bit too small for me. I 
think I'm just a victim of wishful thinking; I'd love to find a used 
Atlantis but I don't want to sacrifice fit just to finally have one!

On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:11:33 AM UTC-5 Gabriel Hargrove wrote:

> Max,
>
> Here's a chart from Rivendell's site circa 2007 to align your PBH with the 
> appropriate frame size. FWIW, I have an 82 PBH, and this same frame (56, 
> 2007)- it fits me better than an other off the shelf bike I've owned. I'll 
> include the 56cm geo in case you're curious. I'd also go so far as to say 
> that with a pair of Paul Motolites, this could probably function well as a 
> 650b frame, as well.
>
> Gabriel
> Huntington Beach, CA
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 9:30:31 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I think you're right, that looks like an early Toyo Atlantis "2" with the 
>> pointed head lug and I think those tires say Rat Trap Pass on them. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:37:43 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is my 
>>> size.
>>>
>>> Ian A Alberta Canada
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:
>>>
 With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  
 efforts to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B 
 wheelset.  I will add more information this evening... 
 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.

 Please let me know if interested... am in MA.

 Thanks,
 -John



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a498c0b1-215d-43a8-919a-61fba6502809n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

[Joe Bernard]

I think you're right, that looks like an early Toyo Atlantis "2" with the 
pointed head lug and I think those tires say Rat Trap Pass on them. 


On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 8:37:43 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

> Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is my 
> size.
>
> Ian A Alberta Canada
>
> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:
>
>> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  efforts 
>> to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B wheelset.  I will 
>> add more information this evening... 
>> 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.
>>
>> Please let me know if interested... am in MA.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -John
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c579e166-364a-4fc7-ad8c-2e019fd347c8n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

[Ian A]

Wouldn't it be 26" wheels if Toyo built? Just curious, although it is my 
size.

Ian A Alberta Canada

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:42:09 AM UTC-6 John Carey wrote:

> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  efforts 
> to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B wheelset.  I will 
> add more information this evening... 
> 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.
>
> Please let me know if interested... am in MA.
>
> Thanks,
> -John
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4407e5c6-f110-4eab-b23f-78350c238e44n%40googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis FS

[max.c....@gmail.com]

Hey John, I am interested. Do you know what range of PBH this frame would 
be appropriate for?

Thanks,
Max

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 12:42:09 PM UTC-5 John Carey wrote:

> With heavy heart, have decided to part ways with my Atlantis, in  efforts 
> to downsize.  This is a Toyo built frame, 56 cm with 650B wheelset.  I will 
> add more information this evening... 
> 1850.00 with two cockpits (dropped bars and upright bar set-up.
>
> Please let me know if interested... am in MA.
>
> Thanks,
> -John
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/75e37288-d461-4cd7-9133-4f33fd907e80n%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

I asked John about what you are talking about.  Not necessarily that the
colors of Toyo were not as impressive than the Waterford but I did notice in
looking at the site that when you look at the last photos on Atlantis, the
colors appear more vibrant versus the older photos.  Even when when you look
at the A Homer Hilson, the second and third photos, the color looks more
vibrant than the others.  John told me it was because they took the original
pictures using a 200 dollar camera and the newer ones were done
professionally using a 48000 dollar camera.   If you check it out, blue does
not look as dark and on the Atlantis, it looks lighter and not as dull than
the first couple of ones.  It could be just the camera.


On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 Khalid,

 I remember how much I struggled to choose the color of my Atlantis, but
 here is my story... :-)

 When I went to Walnut Creek the very first time to see for myself what the
 Rivendell concept was all about, they had me test ride a Homer, an Atlantis
 and a Sam. I hated the Atlantis color on the spot and wasn't too hot about
 the Homer color but loved the Sam green. Still, I chose to get the Homer and
 had the choice between the Waterford or Toyo frames. I liked the Waterford
 blue a lot more than the Toyo blue which is darker and not as lively, and
 brought the frame home. During those first two weeks, I realized that I was
 loving that Waterford blue more and more every day, that there was something
 incredibly special about it that I couldn't quite figure out.

 A few months later I decided I also wanted the new Bombadil, and having the
 choice of color, after a lot of struggling I ordered it in the darkest green
 I could find on the catalog. My idea was to have a bike that almost looked
 black, but when the light shone on it would let you catch the glimpse of the
 green. I didn't want a black bike. I selected my color from the chart and
 after I received the frame realized that while dark green, it wasn't the
 exact match from the catalog and that the painter finds a match from
 whatever is available at the time and/or the perception from the catalog is
 just never going to match the perception of the actual frame color. I still
 loved it and rode it for about 6 months when it became patently obvious that
 it was too large (read long top tube and minimal vertical clearance) for me
 and not wanting to go to the next smaller size which would have required
 650B wheels (I had already purchased two sets of Dyad wheels from Rick) I
 decided that the Homer fit was what I wanted and since the Atlantis had the
 exact same geometry as the Homer, I decided to order one.

 Now, in the meantime, I had come to realize that in contrast to the effect
 the blue Homer color had on me, over time I was growing less satisfied with
 the dark green Bombadil color. What to do? I really didn't like that
 Atlantis color... but then I realized, after looking at some and going to
 RBW a couple of times, that I would have never chosen the blue Homer color
 upfront, but that Grant's knoweldge on bike colors (or whoever chose those
 colors) had matured over time to a point where those colors were having that
 effect on me in a subtle yet very powerful way. I hadn't had a choice on the
 Homer, and decided to just go with the default Atlantis color as well.

 I can tell you that it has had the same effect on me as the original blue
 Homer had. The more I see it, the more I love it! And again, the Waterford
 hue has that special vibrance that the Toyo paint seems to lack IMHO. Very
 subjective but very clear to me.

 I've seen other frames with colors that I love when I see the photo, but
 none that I can say I feel would have the same effect of slowly gaining it
 and increasing it over time. Then again, I have to say that I still hate
 the gray color that was chosen for the Hunqa but really like both Sam
 colors, green and orange.

 My advice to be discarded is to choose the original color as it is as
 unique as the bike itself! And I want someone that knows what an Atlantis or
 a Homer is to be able to recognize it by its color as well.

 No go crazy trying to choose a color!!!

 René

 PS.- The new owner of my Bombadil absolutely loves its color and I actually
 sold him the matching green B-17 saddle as well. I was approached by another
 guy who also fell in love with that color from looking at my photos and
 wanted to get my permission to request it from RBW (very nice of him!). I
 contacted Keven to get the actual code for the color I had selected and gave
 it to him and as far as I know, he did order it in that exact same color. It
 just goes to show that only you have to love the color you choose and
 everyone else's preferences are theirs...

   On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM, James Warren 
 jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:


 Guilty as charged.


 -Original Message-
 From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net

 We've got a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

I do not hate the color at all. The greenish blue is nice but I guess I do
not want to be the norm and get a bicycle that has the same color as every
other Atlantis.
K.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.netwrote:

 Your favorite color!!  I never liked that green either.

 On Mar 21, 2:22 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
  I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that I
  have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
 figure
  out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly
 Sleeper
  fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
  what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.
 
  K.On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on
 buying
   a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was
 19
   years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride
 it
   today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a
 strong
   bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.
 
   Thanks
 
   K.
 
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net
 wrote:
 
   Khalid:
 
   Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
   Rivendell, and follow their advice.
 
   I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
   Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
   obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
   or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
   Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
   NEVER steered me wrong.
 
   Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
   well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
   so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...
 
   RL
 
   --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
 Groups
   RBW Owners Bunch group.
   To post to this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
   rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
   For more options, visit this group at
  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

 --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Steve D.]

Yeah, agreed. I'm in Seattle, and have only seen one, maybe two other
Atlantis', in my area. The second of the two might have been the same
bike :)   It's a taller, 700c version of my '03 51 cm Atlantis. I've
seen this bike (or these bikes) parked outside an office off the B-G
on Gasworks, and at the View Ridge PCC on 40th and 65th. My mechanic
at Counterbalance mentioned that he has worked on one other Atlantis a
few months back.

As for color, I've been perusing cyclofiend's pages looking at
different color schemes. I saw a beautiful yellow Riv custom, and have
been considering something like that if I ever get the money and the
sign-off from my CFO to do a repaint. We'll see. I just had all my
chainrings (the middle one was pretty worn out), chain, and cassette
replaced last week. The bike rides really, really nice. So nice, in
fact, that I overshot my turnoff to the office in Belltown the day
after I got it out of the shop; I guess I was enjoying the ride too
much! It's really nice when everything's dialed in. But kind of sad
when you can't think of anything else you need to add to the bike
for your immediate pleasure. But I guess that makes my wife happy!

-Steve D

On Mar 22, 12:57 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Khalid:

 It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises.  I'm coming up on
 8 years with mine  I can recall only once crossing paths with another
 one accidently.  We had one other guy in our SoCal Riv group with one
 but he moved.  We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
 them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.  It's a fairly
 small pack, all things considered.

 OTH, the blue you reference would look great on an Atlantis.  By its
 nature, a touring bike should be bit understated, IMHO.  For instance,
 I love the Hillborne orange as a color but I would be a bit nervous
 leaving it locked up outside the market if I was touring far from
 home.

 Consider the extra time  expense for custom paint as well.  Plus if
 you go with the standard color you don't have to agonize over paint
 chips (Kelly:  how much effort did your wife expend finding the right
 red?)

 dougP

 On Mar 22, 7:48 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

  She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
  about getting another color besides the blues green.  I like the blue green
  color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
  something a little different from the pack.  I am leaning toward the blue on
  the  A Homer Hilson.

  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
    Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife
   Dawn.

   Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can
   spew my male chauvinist pigdom freely.

   Kelly

   Sent from my iPhone

   On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

      I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that
   I have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
   figure out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is 
   Kelly
   Sleeper fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
   what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

   K.
   On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

   I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on 
   buying
   a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 
   19
   years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
   today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
   bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

   Thanks

   K.

     On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs 
   be...@perrylaw.netwrote:

   Khalid:

   Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
   Rivendell, and follow their advice.

   I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
   Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
   obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
   or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
   Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
   NEVER steered me wrong.

   Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
   well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
   so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

   RL

   --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
   Groups
   RBW Owners Bunch group.
   To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
   rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
   For more options, visit this group at
  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

   --
   You received this message because you 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

I saw a black Atlantis frame at Rivendell a few years ago, and
pictures of it built up after. Super-sharp!

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Mar 22, 11:53 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I do not hate the color at all. The greenish blue is nice but I guess I do
 not want to be the norm and get a bicycle that has the same color as every
 other Atlantis.
 K.
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.netwrote:







  Your favorite color!!  I never liked that green either.

  On Mar 21, 2:22 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
   I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that I
   have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
  figure
   out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly
  Sleeper
   fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
   what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

   K.On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com
  wrote:
I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on
  buying
a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was
  19
years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride
  it
today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a
  strong
bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

Thanks

K.

  On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net
  wrote:

Khalid:

Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
Rivendell, and follow their advice.

I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
NEVER steered me wrong.

Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

RL

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
  Groups
RBW Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
   http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[nathan spindel]

Agreed. Here's a nice black one I spotted in SF: http://flic.kr/p/77MSSb

-nathan

On Wednesday, March 23, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Philip Williamson wrote:

I saw a black Atlantis frame at Rivendell a few years ago, and
pictures of it built up after. Super-sharp!

Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Mar 22, 11:53 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

I do not hate the color at all. The greenish blue is nice but I guess I do
not want to be the norm and get a bicycle that has the same color as every
other Atlantis.
K.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.netwrote:







Your favorite color!!  I never liked that green either.

On Mar 21, 2:22 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that I
have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to

figure

out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly

Sleeper

fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

K.On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com

wrote:

I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on

buying

a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was

19

years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride

it

today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a

strong

bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

Thanks

K.

  On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net

wrote:

Khalid:

Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
Rivendell, and follow their advice.

I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
NEVER steered me wrong.

Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

RL

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Groups

RBW Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to

rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.

To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

--
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RBW Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Kelly Sleeper]

She didn't spend anytime at all.. Red is her favorite color and Keven
or Grant one at Rivendell said the legolas red would be perfect for
her.. we said OK.. and it was perfect. :)

Kelly



doug peterson wrote:
 Khalid:

 It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises.  I'm coming up on
 8 years with mine  I can recall only once crossing paths with another
 one accidently.  We had one other guy in our SoCal Riv group with one
 but he moved.  We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
 them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.  It's a fairly
 small pack, all things considered.

 OTH, the blue you reference would look great on an Atlantis.  By its
 nature, a touring bike should be bit understated, IMHO.  For instance,
 I love the Hillborne orange as a color but I would be a bit nervous
 leaving it locked up outside the market if I was touring far from
 home.

 Consider the extra time  expense for custom paint as well.  Plus if
 you go with the standard color you don't have to agonize over paint
 chips (Kelly:  how much effort did your wife expend finding the right
 red?)

 dougP

 On Mar 22, 7:48 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
  She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
  about getting another color besides the blues green.  I like the blue green
  color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
  something a little different from the pack.  I am leaning toward the blue on
  the  A Homer Hilson.
 
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
    Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife
   Dawn.
 
   Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can
   spew my male chauvinist pigdom freely.
 
   Kelly
 
   Sent from my iPhone
 
   On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
      I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that
   I have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
   figure out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is 
   Kelly
   Sleeper fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
   what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.
 
   K.
   On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on 
   buying
   a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 
   19
   years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
   today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
   bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.
 
   Thanks
 
   K.
 
     On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs 
   be...@perrylaw.netwrote:
 
   Khalid:
 
   Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
   Rivendell, and follow their advice.
 
   I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
   Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
   obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
   or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
   Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
   NEVER steered me wrong.
 
   Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
   well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
   so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...
 
   RL
 
   --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
   Groups
   RBW Owners Bunch group.
   To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
   rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
   For more options, visit this group at
  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
 
   --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
   RBW Owners Bunch group.
   To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
   rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
   For more options, visit this group at
  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
 
   --
    You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
   RBW Owners Bunch group.
   To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
   rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
   For more options, visit this group at
  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -
 
  - Show quoted text -

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Kelly Sleeper]

Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife Dawn.  

Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can spew 
my male chauvinist pigdom freely. 

Kelly 



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that I 
 have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to figure 
 out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly Sleeper 
 fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure what color 
 would be nice on a touring bicycle.
  
 K. 
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying a 
 bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19 
 years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it 
 today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong 
 bicycle for the weight I am going to carry. 
  
 Thanks
  
 K.
 
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:
 
 Khalid:
 
 Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
 Rivendell, and follow their advice.
 
 I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
 Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
 obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
 or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
 Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
 NEVER steered me wrong.
 
 Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
 well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
 so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...
 
 RL
 
 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at 
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
 
 
 
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at 
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Lee Chae]

I know that every person must make up their own minds about such things, but
I have to throw in here that I've seen several standard-colored
Atlantises/Atlanti(?) in the wild in full touring mode, and they are
spectacular looking. I have a great stable of bikes right now, which fit my
current needs. However, there are two bikes that keep calling my name. One
of them is a 26-inch wheeled Atlantis in the sea-foamy blueish green,
outfitted as a camper. I love the notion of riding up the West Coast on such
a set-up, or, crawling up some pass into the Sierras.

Sizing is easy compared to color selection--good luck with it! :)

Best,
Lee
SF, CA


On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that I
 have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to figure
 out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly Sleeper
 fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
 what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

 K.
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying
 a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
 years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
 today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
 bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

 Thanks

 K.

   On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.netwrote:


 Khalid:

 Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
 Rivendell, and follow their advice.

 I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
 Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
 obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
 or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
 Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
 NEVER steered me wrong.

 Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
 well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
 so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

 RL

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



  --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
about getting another color besides the blues green.  I like the blue green
color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
something a little different from the pack.  I am leaning toward the blue on
the  A Homer Hilson.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife
 Dawn.

 Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can
 spew my male chauvinist pigdom freely.

 Kelly



 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that
 I have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
 figure out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly
 Sleeper fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
 what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

 K.
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying
 a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
 years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
 today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
 bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

 Thanks

 K.

   On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.netwrote:


 Khalid:

 Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
 Rivendell, and follow their advice.

 I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
 Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
 obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
 or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
 Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
 NEVER steered me wrong.

 Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
 well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
 so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

 RL

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

 --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Benedikt]

Your favorite color!!  I never liked that green either.

On Mar 21, 2:22 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that I
 have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to figure
 out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly Sleeper
 fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
 what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

 K.On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying
  a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
  years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
  today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
  bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

  Thanks

  K.

    On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.netwrote:

  Khalid:

  Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
  Rivendell, and follow their advice.

  I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
  Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
  obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
  or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
  Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
  NEVER steered me wrong.

  Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
  well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
  so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

  RL

  --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Minh]

Just to point out, while the standard atlantis color, you are not
likely to run into very many atlantis while out and about.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[doug peterson]

Khalid:

It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises.  I'm coming up on
8 years with mine  I can recall only once crossing paths with another
one accidently.  We had one other guy in our SoCal Riv group with one
but he moved.  We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.  It's a fairly
small pack, all things considered.

OTH, the blue you reference would look great on an Atlantis.  By its
nature, a touring bike should be bit understated, IMHO.  For instance,
I love the Hillborne orange as a color but I would be a bit nervous
leaving it locked up outside the market if I was touring far from
home.

Consider the extra time  expense for custom paint as well.  Plus if
you go with the standard color you don't have to agonize over paint
chips (Kelly:  how much effort did your wife expend finding the right
red?)

dougP

On Mar 22, 7:48 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
 about getting another color besides the blues green.  I like the blue green
 color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
 something a little different from the pack.  I am leaning toward the blue on
 the  A Homer Hilson.



 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife
  Dawn.

  Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can
  spew my male chauvinist pigdom freely.

  Kelly

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

     I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that
  I have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
  figure out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly
  Sleeper fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
  what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

  K.
  On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

  I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying
  a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
  years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
  today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
  bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

  Thanks

  K.

    On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.netwrote:

  Khalid:

  Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
  Rivendell, and follow their advice.

  I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
  Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
  obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
  or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
  Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
  NEVER steered me wrong.

  Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
  well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
  so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

  RL

  --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

  --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Ray Shine]

Doug is right, Khalid. I came upon just one other Atlantis while riding the 
Western Express in '09.  That said, few people knew of it or of Rivendell. Lots 
of Surly LHTs out there. With front and rear panniers, front rack bag, and rear 
rack holding gear, the glam bits of the Atlantis didn't readily catch one's 
eye, either.  




From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:57 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

Khalid:

It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises.  I'm coming up on
8 years with mine  I can recall only once crossing paths with another
one accidently.  We had one other guy in our SoCal Riv group with one
but he moved.  We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.  It's a fairly
small pack, all things considered.

OTH, the blue you reference would look great on an Atlantis.  By its
nature, a touring bike should be bit understated, IMHO.  For instance,
I love the Hillborne orange as a color but I would be a bit nervous
leaving it locked up outside the market if I was touring far from
home.

Consider the extra time  expense for custom paint as well.  Plus if
you go with the standard color you don't have to agonize over paint
chips (Kelly:  how much effort did your wife expend finding the right
red?)

dougP

On Mar 22, 7:48 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
 about getting another color besides the blues green.  I like the blue green
 color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
 something a little different from the pack.  I am leaning toward the blue on
 the  A Homer Hilson.



 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife
  Dawn.

  Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can
  spew my male chauvinist pigdom freely.

  Kelly

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

     I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that
  I have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
  figure out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly
  Sleeper fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
  what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

  K.
  On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

  I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying
  a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
  years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
  today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
  bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

  Thanks

  K.

    On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.netwrote:

  Khalid:

  Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
  Rivendell, and follow their advice.

  I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
  Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
  obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
  or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
  Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
  NEVER steered me wrong.

  Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
  well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
  so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

  RL

  --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

  --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

-- 
You received this message because you

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[William]

If Khalid is considering the frameset that I'm thinking about, then
there is ZERO extra expense and little extra time.  Riv has an
unpainted 58 in stock right now.  The price includes whatever color
you want and it takes about a month to get it done.  If they need to
order your frame from Waterford, it's still the same price and it's
still any color you want (within Riv parameters of course).  That
takes about 3 months.  It's only an upcharge if they only had a
painted one and you wanted that bike to be a different color and
wanted it comparatively fast, then they'd charge you cost for the
repaint.

On Mar 22, 1:12 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Doug is right, Khalid. I came upon just one other Atlantis while riding the 
 Western Express in '09.  That said, few people knew of it or of Rivendell. 
 Lots of Surly LHTs out there. With front and rear panniers, front rack bag, 
 and rear rack holding gear, the glam bits of the Atlantis didn't readily 
 catch one's eye, either. 

 
 From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 12:57 PM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

 Khalid:

 It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises.  I'm coming up on
 8 years with mine  I can recall only once crossing paths with another
 one accidently.  We had one other guy in our SoCal Riv group with one
 but he moved.  We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
 them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.  It's a fairly
 small pack, all things considered.

 OTH, the blue you reference would look great on an Atlantis.  By its
 nature, a touring bike should be bit understated, IMHO.  For instance,
 I love the Hillborne orange as a color but I would be a bit nervous
 leaving it locked up outside the market if I was touring far from
 home.

 Consider the extra time  expense for custom paint as well.  Plus if
 you go with the standard color you don't have to agonize over paint
 chips (Kelly:  how much effort did your wife expend finding the right
 red?)

 dougP

 On Mar 22, 7:48 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:



  She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
  about getting another color besides the blues green.  I like the blue green
  color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
  something a little different from the pack.  I am leaning toward the blue on
  the  A Homer Hilson.

  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
    Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife
   Dawn.

   Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can
   spew my male chauvinist pigdom freely.

   Kelly

   Sent from my iPhone

   On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

      I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that
   I have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
   figure out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is 
   Kelly
   Sleeper fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
   what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

   K.
   On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

   I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on 
   buying
   a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 
   19
   years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
   today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
   bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

   Thanks

   K.

     On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs 
   be...@perrylaw.netwrote:

   Khalid:

   Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
   Rivendell, and follow their advice.

   I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
   Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
   obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
   or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
   Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
   NEVER steered me wrong.

   Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
   well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
   so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

   RL

   --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
   Groups
   RBW Owners Bunch group.
   To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
   rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
   For more options, visit this group at
  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

   --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Thomas Nezovich]

Doug, you have the wrong friends.   
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32919632@N04/4269441605/#/photos/32919632@N04/4269441605/lightbox/
That's mine in the middle.   Right to left are a 53cm, my 56 cm, list member 
John Philip's (his picture too)  which is a bit larger.
On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:57 PM, doug peterson wrote:

 Khalid:
 
 It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises.  I'm coming up on
 8 years with mine  I can recall only once crossing paths with another
 one accidently.  We had one other guy in our SoCal Riv group with one
 but he moved.  We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
 them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.  It's a fairly
 small pack, all things considered.
 
 OTH, the blue you reference would look great on an Atlantis.  By its
 nature, a touring bike should be bit understated, IMHO.  For instance,
 I love the Hillborne orange as a color but I would be a bit nervous
 leaving it locked up outside the market if I was touring far from
 home.
 
 Consider the extra time  expense for custom paint as well.  Plus if
 you go with the standard color you don't have to agonize over paint
 chips (Kelly:  how much effort did your wife expend finding the right
 red?)
 
 dougP
 
 On Mar 22, 7:48 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
 about getting another color besides the blues green.  I like the blue green
 color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
 something a little different from the pack.  I am leaning toward the blue on
 the  A Homer Hilson.
 
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife
 Dawn.
 
 Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can
 spew my male chauvinist pigdom freely.
 
 Kelly
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that
 I have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
 figure out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly
 Sleeper fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
 what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.
 
 K.
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying
 a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
 years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
 today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
 bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.
 
 Thanks
 
 K.
 
   On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.netwrote:
 
 Khalid:
 
 Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
 Rivendell, and follow their advice.
 
 I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
 Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
 obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
 or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
 Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
 NEVER steered me wrong.
 
 Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
 well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
 so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...
 
 RL
 
 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
 
 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
 
 --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -
 
 - Show quoted text -
 
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[doug peterson]

Thomas:

And nicely loaded up, too.  The caption could be Atlantises at
work.  Maybe I'm hanging with the wrong crowd?  They do tend to
agonize about tires...

dougP

On Mar 22, 2:25 pm, Thomas Nezovich t...@cox.net wrote:
 Doug, you have the wrong friends.  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/32919632@N04/4269441605/#/photos/3291963...
 That's mine in the middle.   Right to left are a 53cm, my 56 cm, list member 
 John Philip's (his picture too)  which is a bit larger.
 On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:57 PM, doug peterson wrote:



  Khalid:

  It's unlikely you'll run into many other Atlantises.  I'm coming up on
  8 years with mine  I can recall only once crossing paths with another
  one accidently.  We had one other guy in our SoCal Riv group with one
  but he moved.  We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
  them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.  It's a fairly
  small pack, all things considered.

  OTH, the blue you reference would look great on an Atlantis.  By its
  nature, a touring bike should be bit understated, IMHO.  For instance,
  I love the Hillborne orange as a color but I would be a bit nervous
  leaving it locked up outside the market if I was touring far from
  home.

  Consider the extra time  expense for custom paint as well.  Plus if
  you go with the standard color you don't have to agonize over paint
  chips (Kelly:  how much effort did your wife expend finding the right
  red?)

  dougP

  On Mar 22, 7:48 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
  She has a nice Atlantis bicycle. Looking at the red bicycle made me rethink
  about getting another color besides the blues green.  I like the blue green
  color but I figure every atlantis as that color out and I wanted to get
  something a little different from the pack.  I am leaning toward the blue 
  on
  the  A Homer Hilson.

  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hey number one rule .. Always blame the woman.. In this case my wife
  Dawn.

  Note: she reads this forum but hasn't registered and can't post.. So I can
  spew my male chauvinist pigdom freely.

  Kelly

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

     I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that
  I have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to
  figure out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is 
  Kelly
  Sleeper fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
  what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

  K.
  On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

  I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on 
  buying
  a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 
  19
  years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
  today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
  bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

  Thanks

  K.

    On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs 
  be...@perrylaw.netwrote:

  Khalid:

  Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
  Rivendell, and follow their advice.

  I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
  Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
  obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
  or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
  Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
  NEVER steered me wrong.

  Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
  well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
  so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

  RL

  --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
  Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

  --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text -

  - Show quoted text -

  --
  

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[James Warren]

Guilty as charged.


-Original Message-
From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net

We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Rene Sterental]

Khalid,

I remember how much I struggled to choose the color of my Atlantis, but here
is my story... :-)

When I went to Walnut Creek the very first time to see for myself what the
Rivendell concept was all about, they had me test ride a Homer, an Atlantis
and a Sam. I hated the Atlantis color on the spot and wasn't too hot about
the Homer color but loved the Sam green. Still, I chose to get the Homer and
had the choice between the Waterford or Toyo frames. I liked the Waterford
blue a lot more than the Toyo blue which is darker and not as lively, and
brought the frame home. During those first two weeks, I realized that I was
loving that Waterford blue more and more every day, that there was something
incredibly special about it that I couldn't quite figure out.

A few months later I decided I also wanted the new Bombadil, and having the
choice of color, after a lot of struggling I ordered it in the darkest green
I could find on the catalog. My idea was to have a bike that almost looked
black, but when the light shone on it would let you catch the glimpse of the
green. I didn't want a black bike. I selected my color from the chart and
after I received the frame realized that while dark green, it wasn't the
exact match from the catalog and that the painter finds a match from
whatever is available at the time and/or the perception from the catalog is
just never going to match the perception of the actual frame color. I still
loved it and rode it for about 6 months when it became patently obvious that
it was too large (read long top tube and minimal vertical clearance) for me
and not wanting to go to the next smaller size which would have required
650B wheels (I had already purchased two sets of Dyad wheels from Rick) I
decided that the Homer fit was what I wanted and since the Atlantis had the
exact same geometry as the Homer, I decided to order one.

Now, in the meantime, I had come to realize that in contrast to the effect
the blue Homer color had on me, over time I was growing less satisfied with
the dark green Bombadil color. What to do? I really didn't like that
Atlantis color... but then I realized, after looking at some and going to
RBW a couple of times, that I would have never chosen the blue Homer color
upfront, but that Grant's knoweldge on bike colors (or whoever chose those
colors) had matured over time to a point where those colors were having that
effect on me in a subtle yet very powerful way. I hadn't had a choice on the
Homer, and decided to just go with the default Atlantis color as well.

I can tell you that it has had the same effect on me as the original blue
Homer had. The more I see it, the more I love it! And again, the Waterford
hue has that special vibrance that the Toyo paint seems to lack IMHO. Very
subjective but very clear to me.

I've seen other frames with colors that I love when I see the photo, but
none that I can say I feel would have the same effect of slowly gaining it
and increasing it over time. Then again, I have to say that I still hate
the gray color that was chosen for the Hunqa but really like both Sam
colors, green and orange.

My advice to be discarded is to choose the original color as it is as unique
as the bike itself! And I want someone that knows what an Atlantis or a
Homer is to be able to recognize it by its color as well.

No go crazy trying to choose a color!!!

René

PS.- The new owner of my Bombadil absolutely loves its color and I actually
sold him the matching green B-17 saddle as well. I was approached by another
guy who also fell in love with that color from looking at my photos and
wanted to get my permission to request it from RBW (very nice of him!). I
contacted Keven to get the actual code for the color I had selected and gave
it to him and as far as I know, he did order it in that exact same color. It
just goes to show that only you have to love the color you choose and
everyone else's preferences are theirs...

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:50 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:


 Guilty as charged.


 -Original Message-
 From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net

 We've got a couple of other guys who say they have
 them :) but they keep bringing other Rivs to our rides.

  --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Leslie]

Ok, I think Khalid is steered on the right track, and I don't want to
distract from that, but, whilst I've been reading through several of
the comments in this thread, I kept remembering 'em, too, and wanted
to go re-read 'em.  So...

Back in August of '09, was this: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148
earliest I found regarding the end of Toyo Atlanti... (and I like the
mention where, because of limited At-sizes at the time, G said, if you
needed bigger, order a Bombadil and they'd paint it in At colors and
sticker it, 'because that is what it is'.(Which, is part of my
justification of ordering a Bombadil when I feel like I should own an
Atlantis, just-because, but don't...)

December of '09, this http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/172
mentioned calling if you wanted a Toyo Atlantis.

But the one I really wanted to find was from January of '10,
http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/181  which talks about the
'Samurai-like details.  Now, I feel I should mention, it does say
that future ones are Wford...   but, it was just after this timeframe
that there started to be a bit of confusion, wondering if the Atlantis
was going away, not just being 'source-relocated'.   Right after that,
methinks, is when G posted up to clarify that the Atlantis wasn't
going away, it *is* permanent, but, was just coming from Wford
instead.

FWIW

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

I just spoke to John about the size for the Atlantis.   I told him that I
have a PBH of 86.5cm and said a 58 would fit me.  Now I am trying to figure
out does if I want it another color beside bluesh green. It is Kelly Sleeper
fault for showing me that red Atlantis.  Now I am trying to figure
what color would be nice on a touring bicycle.

K.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying
 a bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
 years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
 today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
 bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

 Thanks

 K.

   On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.netwrote:


 Khalid:

 Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
 Rivendell, and follow their advice.

 I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
 Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
 obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
 or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
 Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
 NEVER steered me wrong.

 Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
 well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
 so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

 RL

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.




-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Rene Sterental]

Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames will 
really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars for your 
own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which means id be at 
the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the 61. Riv put me on a 
61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I need the brake hoods to be 
so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck pain, I've ended up with a 7cm 
stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my saddle.

If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect on 
the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem and 
would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height and bars 
relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd probably be 
riding an 8-9 cm stem. 

This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop bars 
or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would have to 
be adjusted accordingly. 

So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size should 
be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards you want to 
be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the bars in relation 
to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH (I couldn't do it 
right until they did it), measure the distance between the top of the saddle 
and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on your current bike where 
i assume you are properly fit and use that as a guide. 

Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your 
current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional 
recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over 
height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise. 

I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they recommended 
turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And I'm running 50mm 
Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller than thinner tires. 
Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm stem I have the best fit 
I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life. More importantly, I'm starting 
to ride completely pain free on most of my rides now.  And of course, working 
on the causes of the pain with a good chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced 
we get physically over the years as we get older and hit the 5th floor!

Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/

René 

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Khalid
 
 I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you.
 Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance.
 It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance
 liberates you to go bigger.  It also depends somewhat on who you talk
 to.  I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a
 58 or a 61 (PBH 87).  When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it
 was right there.  I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but
 barely.  Harry looked and said That looks like your size.  They
 didn't have a 58 on hand at the time.  On a different day, I was
 talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any
 fitting with me.  I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and
 he said Are you sure you are tall enough for a 58?  So it's not
 completely rigid, their approach.
 
 My point is that both the 58 and the 61 can work for a person your
 size.  It will come down to your decision, which will be based
 somewhat on your riding style and attitude.  If your riding style and
 attitude towards cycling changes a lot over the next year or two, then
 it is possible that you might grow to love a bike that seemed too big
 at the beginning, or might grow to regret that you got something that
 is one size off.  That's probably the biggest piece, the guesswork on
 where your opinions will lie a few thousand miles down the road.  I
 guarantee you could find several Atlantis owners that are exactly your
 size who love their 58, and others exactly your size who love their
 61.  There's probably a few who ride a 56, and are similarly convinced
 they got their size.  I'm leaning towards the 58 because I intend to
 have the bars close to level with the saddle.  If I wanted the bars
 3-4 cm higher than the saddle, I'd go with the 61.
 
 On Mar 18, 10:41 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I check it.  I am either getting a 58cm frame or a 61 cm frame.  I wont know
 until I talk to them.
 
 K.
 
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:
 
 on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have
 the
 sizing on the frame 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

I want to thank everyone for their help on this.  I am going nuts now about
finding my PBH.  I got my step father to read another one again and got 86.5
cm. Ugh.  I have to ask my brother if he will do it for me again which he
got 85cm.  I just want a little consistency. LOL.  I got my tax refunds now
so I am ready now to start talking to them about what I plan to do with the
bicycle, what size I need and what components I want.

THanks again for everyone help

K.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames
 will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars
 for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which
 means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the
 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I
 need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck
 pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my
 saddle.

 If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect
 on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem
 and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height
 and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd
 probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem.

 This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop
 bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would
 have to be adjusted accordingly.

 So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size
 should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards
 you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the
 bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH
 (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between the
 top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on
 your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a
 guide.

 Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your
 current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional
 recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over
 height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise.

 I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they
 recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And
 I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller
 than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm
 stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life.
 More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my
 rides now.  And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good
 chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years
 as we get older and hit the 5th floor!

 Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/

 René

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Khalid
 
  I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you.
  Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance.
  It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance
  liberates you to go bigger.  It also depends somewhat on who you talk
  to.  I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a
  58 or a 61 (PBH 87).  When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it
  was right there.  I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but
  barely.  Harry looked and said That looks like your size.  They
  didn't have a 58 on hand at the time.  On a different day, I was
  talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any
  fitting with me.  I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and
  he said Are you sure you are tall enough for a 58?  So it's not
  completely rigid, their approach.
 
  My point is that both the 58 and the 61 can work for a person your
  size.  It will come down to your decision, which will be based
  somewhat on your riding style and attitude.  If your riding style and
  attitude towards cycling changes a lot over the next year or two, then
  it is possible that you might grow to love a bike that seemed too big
  at the beginning, or might grow to regret that you got something that
  is one size off.  That's probably the biggest piece, the guesswork on
  where your opinions will lie a few thousand miles down the road.  I
  guarantee you could find several Atlantis owners that are exactly your
  size who love their 58, and others exactly your size who love their
  61.  There's probably a few who ride a 56, and are similarly convinced
  they got their size.  I'm 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

Just want to reply that I like how your bicycle is set up Rene even the
saddle.  I have read that the new Berthoud Gilles Saddles are comfortable
although some people think it is kind of cheap that they have that plastic
under there.  Even though that is the case, there hasnt been any reports
that the plastic has cracked during the riding and in fact, people have said
that this plastic material is strong.  It also looks like they put alot of
thought in designing that saddle to compete with the Brooks since it has
thicker leather and parts can be easily replace versus hammered copper nails
of the Brooks.  ALso, it is alot more expensive than the Brooks ($225 at
PeterWhite Cycles).  It may be worth it if you get alot of wear and tear out
of the saddle and parts can be easily replaced.

Thanks

Khalid Mateen

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames
 will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars
 for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which
 means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the
 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I
 need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck
 pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my
 saddle.

 If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect
 on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem
 and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height
 and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd
 probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem.

 This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop
 bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would
 have to be adjusted accordingly.

 So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size
 should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards
 you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the
 bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH
 (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between the
 top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on
 your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a
 guide.

 Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your
 current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional
 recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over
 height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise.

 I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they
 recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And
 I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller
 than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm
 stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life.
 More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my
 rides now.  And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good
 chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years
 as we get older and hit the 5th floor!

 Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/

 René

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Khalid
 
  I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you.
  Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance.
  It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance
  liberates you to go bigger.  It also depends somewhat on who you talk
  to.  I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a
  58 or a 61 (PBH 87).  When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it
  was right there.  I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but
  barely.  Harry looked and said That looks like your size.  They
  didn't have a 58 on hand at the time.  On a different day, I was
  talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any
  fitting with me.  I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and
  he said Are you sure you are tall enough for a 58?  So it's not
  completely rigid, their approach.
 
  My point is that both the 58 and the 61 can work for a person your
  size.  It will come down to your decision, which will be based
  somewhat on your riding style and attitude.  If your riding style and
  attitude towards cycling changes a lot over the next year or two, then
  it is possible that you might grow to love a bike that seemed too big
  at the beginning, or might grow to regret that you got something that
  is one size off.  That's probably 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Rene Sterental]

Hi Khalid,

I think the Berthoud saddle is worth it's cost. It's certainly more
comfortable and there are absolutely no issues with the plastic bottom. In
fact, it's almost invisible with a saddlebag. I've also heard a lot of
complaints regarding durability with the newer Brooks saddles. Anyway, for
me the saddle width is perfect and I love its flatter top. My Brooks had to
have the nose so high so I wouldn't slide forward so much.

Enjoy your Atlantis!

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

Just want to reply that I like how your bicycle is set up Rene even the
saddle.  I have read that the new Berthoud Gilles Saddles are comfortable
although some people think it is kind of cheap that they have that plastic
under there.  Even though that is the case, there hasnt been any reports
that the plastic has cracked during the riding and in fact, people have said
that this plastic material is strong.  It also looks like they put alot of
thought in designing that saddle to compete with the Brooks since it has
thicker leather and parts can be easily replace versus hammered copper nails
of the Brooks.  ALso, it is alot more expensive than the Brooks ($225 at
PeterWhite Cycles).  It may be worth it if you get alot of wear and tear out
of the saddle and parts can be easily replaced.

Thanks

Khalid Mateen

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames
 will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars
 for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which
 means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the
 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I
 need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck
 pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my
 saddle.

 If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect
 on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller stem
 and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height
 and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd
 probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem.

 This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop
 bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length would
 have to be adjusted accordingly.

 So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size
 should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards
 you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the
 bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your PBH
 (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between the
 top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on
 your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a
 guide.

 Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your
 current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional
 recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over
 height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise.

 I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they
 recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And
 I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller
 than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm
 stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life.
 More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my
 rides now.  And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good
 chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years
 as we get older and hit the 5th floor!

 Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/

 René

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Khalid
 
  I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you.
  Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance.
  It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance
  liberates you to go bigger.  It also depends somewhat on who you talk
  to.  I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a
  58 or a 61 (PBH 87).  When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it
  was right there.  I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but
  barely.  Harry looked and said That looks like your size.  They
  didn't have a 58 on hand at the time.  On a different day, I was
  talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any
  fitting with me.  I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and
  he 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[cyclotourist]

FWIW, Wallingford has a FANTASTIC return/exchange policy on saddles,
might want to look them up if you're not sure on the saddle:
http://wallbike.com/catalog/saddles/berthoud-leatherline-saddles


On 3/20/11, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Khalid,

 I think the Berthoud saddle is worth it's cost. It's certainly more
 comfortable and there are absolutely no issues with the plastic bottom. In
 fact, it's almost invisible with a saddlebag. I've also heard a lot of
 complaints regarding durability with the newer Brooks saddles. Anyway, for
 me the saddle width is perfect and I love its flatter top. My Brooks had to
 have the nose so high so I wouldn't slide forward so much.

 Enjoy your Atlantis!

 René

 Sent from my iPhone 4

 On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just want to reply that I like how your bicycle is set up Rene even the
 saddle.  I have read that the new Berthoud Gilles Saddles are comfortable
 although some people think it is kind of cheap that they have that plastic
 under there.  Even though that is the case, there hasnt been any reports
 that the plastic has cracked during the riding and in fact, people have said
 that this plastic material is strong.  It also looks like they put alot of
 thought in designing that saddle to compete with the Brooks since it has
 thicker leather and parts can be easily replace versus hammered copper nails
 of the Brooks.  ALso, it is alot more expensive than the Brooks ($225 at
 PeterWhite Cycles).  It may be worth it if you get alot of wear and tear out
 of the saddle and parts can be easily replaced.

 Thanks

 Khalid Mateen

 On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 Based on my personal experience, the choice between the 58 and 61 frames
 will really come down to the desired effective distance to your handlebars
 for your own personal fit. I'm 5'11 and my saddle height is 79cm, which
 means id be at the top recommend range for the 58 or in the middle for the
 61. Riv put me on a 61 which is perfect vertically, but based on where I
 need the brake hoods to be so in order to minimize/avoid shoulder and neck
 pain, I've ended up with a 7cm stem and my bars exactly 1 higher than my
 saddle.

 If I wanted to ride with a longer stem which could have a different effect
 on the handling of the bike, the I would need the 58 but also a taller
 stem
 and would show more seat post and stem post to preserve the saddle height
 and bars relationship. If I didn't have the left shoulder pain, then I'd
 probably be riding an 8-9 cm stem.

 This is applicable to Noodle bars which have a long reach. With other drop
 bars or bar types such as Albatross or Moustache bars, the stem length
 would
 have to be adjusted accordingly.

 So, the fine points to consider when talking with Riv to choose a size
 should be your preferred position in terms of how upright or bent forwards
 you want to be, the type of bars you'll want to use and the height of the
 bars in relation to your saddle. Even if you have trouble measuring your
 PBH
 (I couldn't do it right until they did it), measure the distance between
 the
 top of the saddle and the center of the crank arms along the seat post on
 your current bike where i assume you are properly fit and use that as a
 guide.

 Last, trust their advice and if needed, send them a photo of you on your
 current bike so they can asses your riding position and make additional
 recommendations. Forget about your current preconceptions about stand-over
 height and trust them. They'll stand by you and giver you good advise.

 I have both a 61cm Atlantis and a Homer, but the 60cm Bombadil they
 recommended turned out to be too long for me with its longer top tube. And
 I'm running 50mm Marathon Supremes on the Atlantis, which make it taller
 than thinner tires. Vertically, however, it fits perfectly. With the 7 cm
 stem I have the best fit I've ever had on a road bike in my entire life.
 More importantly, I'm starting to ride completely pain free on most of my
 rides now.  And of course, working on the causes of the pain with a good
 chiropractor. It's amazing how unbalanced we get physically over the years
 as we get older and hit the 5th floor!

 Congratulations on choosing to get an Atlantis. You can check mine here:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/sets/72157625129486363/

 René

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:44 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Khalid
 
  I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you.
  Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance.
  It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance
  liberates you to go bigger.  It also depends somewhat on who you talk
  to.  I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a
  58 or a 61 (PBH 87).  When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it
  was right there.  I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but
  

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[hugfly247]

I
On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Philip Williamson wrote:


+1 on call them. I bought my Quickbeam over the phone, and I love
it. John asked me how big a tire I planned to use, and how I intended
to ride it (biggest tires, + trail-riding), and suggested the 60cm,
even though my 85cm saddle height indicated I would want a road-only
Riv in a 62 or 64.

So - they have experience and opinions on bike fit (more of one and
less of the other, compared to the list*), and they take your
experience and opinions into account.


I remember, back when Riv sold the Heron Road, going against the RIv  
sizing recommendation and buying a 56cm frame instead of the 58 that  
was recommended to me over the phone.


I also remember buying a 58cm Heron road from them a year later when I  
realized the 56cm frame was too small.


Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

Thanks for the chart.  It seems that if I subtract 2 inch from my PBH, a 58
cenimeter bicycle is about right in terms of standover since it gives me
close to 2 inches of clearance from the neather region but subtracting 10 to
11 cm from the PBH is about 4 inches.  So maybe I need a 56 inch frame with
the 26 inch wheels.  I wont know until I call them.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Norman norr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm in New Jersey as well but I'm shorter (pbh of 80) and have a Sam
 H. (52) so that won't help you.  Here is a pdf of specs. for Atlantis
 and other bikes.

 http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf
 Norman



 On Mar 18, 1:01 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
  I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have
 the
  sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.  I am about the same height
 as
  you.  I am 5'-10/2 with an inseam of 32 inches (at least that is what I
 buy
  in pant sizes).  Maybe I need a 58.  My PBH is around 88cm.
 
 
 
   On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
 wrote:
   Khalid:
 
   What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
   PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
   anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
   been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
   unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
   bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
   size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
   ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
   comforting.
 
   I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11, 32
   inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
   wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
   suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
   gotten.
 
   Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
   measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
   etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
   what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.
 
   dougP
 
   On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone:
 
I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
   Rivendell
Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when
 ordering
   over
the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel
 to
   big
or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who
 work
   for
Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually
 purchase
   their
bicycles.
 
THanks
 
Khalid
 
   --
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
 Groups
   RBW Owners Bunch group.
   To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 .
   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
   rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
   For more options, visit this group at
  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted
 text -
 
  - Show quoted text -

 --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

I check it.  I am either getting a 58cm frame or a 61 cm frame.  I wont know
until I talk to them.

K.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:

 on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
  I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have
 the
  sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.

 Yonder:
 http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size

 http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it


 --
 Jim Edgar
 cyclofi...@earthlink.net

 Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com
 Current Classics - Cross Bikes
 Singlespeed - Working Bikes

 Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com


 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary
 handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet.  Double disbeleif:
 not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles.
 -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac

 --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[William]

Khalid

I'm certain that both of those sizes (58 and 61) will work for you.
Riv in general will not tell you that you need 2 inches of clearance.
It's more likely that they'll tell you that 2 inches of clearance
liberates you to go bigger.  It also depends somewhat on who you talk
to.  I'm considering an Atlantis this year or next, and I could ride a
58 or a 61 (PBH 87).  When I visited Riv HQ and stood over the 61, it
was right there.  I could lift the front wheel off the ground, but
barely.  Harry looked and said That looks like your size.  They
didn't have a 58 on hand at the time.  On a different day, I was
talking with Mark, who knows my bikes, although he's never done any
fitting with me.  I told him I was thinking about a 58 Atlantis, and
he said Are you sure you are tall enough for a 58?  So it's not
completely rigid, their approach.

My point is that both the 58 and the 61 can work for a person your
size.  It will come down to your decision, which will be based
somewhat on your riding style and attitude.  If your riding style and
attitude towards cycling changes a lot over the next year or two, then
it is possible that you might grow to love a bike that seemed too big
at the beginning, or might grow to regret that you got something that
is one size off.  That's probably the biggest piece, the guesswork on
where your opinions will lie a few thousand miles down the road.  I
guarantee you could find several Atlantis owners that are exactly your
size who love their 58, and others exactly your size who love their
61.  There's probably a few who ride a 56, and are similarly convinced
they got their size.  I'm leaning towards the 58 because I intend to
have the bars close to level with the saddle.  If I wanted the bars
3-4 cm higher than the saddle, I'd go with the 61.

On Mar 18, 10:41 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I check it.  I am either getting a 58cm frame or a 61 cm frame.  I wont know
 until I talk to them.

 K.

 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:

  on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
   I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have
  the
   sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.

  Yonder:
 http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size

 http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it

  --
  Jim Edgar
  cyclofi...@earthlink.net

  Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
  Current Classics - Cross Bikes
  Singlespeed - Working Bikes

  Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com

  'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary
  handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet.  Double disbeleif:
  not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles.
  -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[doug peterson]

Also think about what tires you plan to use.  The Atlantis is intended
for 35 mm to 52 mm widths.  With most tires, the diameter increases
along with the width.  Actual width can vary from nominal.  I have
always used 35 mm width and Pasela, T-serv and Schwalbe have all
measured different, even though labeled 35 mm.

dougP

On Mar 18, 10:41 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I check it.  I am either getting a 58cm frame or a 61 cm frame.  I wont know
 until I talk to them.

 K.

 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote:



  on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
   I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have
  the
   sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.

  Yonder:
 http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size

 http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it

  --
  Jim Edgar
  cyclofi...@earthlink.net

  Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
  Current Classics - Cross Bikes
  Singlespeed - Working Bikes

  Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com

  'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary
  handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet.  Double disbeleif:
  not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles.
  -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[nawrock]

Doug makes an excellent point.  When I rode my 61 Atlantis (pbh87) with ruffy 
tuffy's it felt like a good size, but when I put on the pasela 37's for dirt it 
made the bike feel to big, and wishing I had a 58. 


Dave Nawrocki 
Fort Collins, CO 

- Original Message - 
From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net 
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 2:04:15 PM 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis 

Also think about what tires you plan to use.  The Atlantis is intended 
for 35 mm to 52 mm widths.  With most tires, the diameter increases 
along with the width.  Actual width can vary from nominal.  I have 
always used 35 mm width and Pasela, T-serv and Schwalbe have all 
measured different, even though labeled 35 mm. 

dougP 

On Mar 18, 10:41 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I check it.  I am either getting a 58cm frame or a 61 cm frame.  I wont know 
 until I talk to them. 
 
 K. 
 
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: 
 
 
 
  on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote: 
   I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have 
  the 
   sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore. 
 
  Yonder: 
 http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size 
 
 http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it 
 
  -- 
  Jim Edgar 
  cyclofi...@earthlink.net 
 
  Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com 
  Current Classics - Cross Bikes 
  Singlespeed - Working Bikes 
 
  Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com 
 
  'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary 
  handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet.  Double disbeleif: 
  not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. 
  -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac 
 
  -- 
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
  RBW Owners Bunch group. 
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. 
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 
  For more options, visit this group at 
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - 
 
 - Show quoted text - 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group. 
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. 
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[cyclotourist]

On 3/17/11, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
 If you are looking at an Atlantis, then you are likely in tune with
 the Riv philosophy. That may not be necessarily true if you were
 looking at a Roadeo for instance. The folks have many decades
 experience fitting thousands of mostly happy folks to fine bikes. I
 suggest you can trust their judgment. Call and tell them your
 experience, your concerns, and what you want to do with your new bike.
 I am quite certain you will be pleased.

 For me in the late 90s, I was shocked when they wanted to sell me a
 61-62cm frame after I had been riding 58s for over a decade.  They
 were so right.

 On Mar 17, 7:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone:

 I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
 Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
 California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
 Rivendell
 Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
 over
 the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
 big
 or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work
 for
 Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
 their
 bicycles.

 THanks

 Khalid

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.




-- 
Cheers,
David
Redlands, CA

*...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
probably benefit more from
improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[cyclotourist]

Hello Khalid, as others noted, definitely call and talk it over with
the staff at Rivendell.  They know their bikes better than anyone
else!  They will most likely recommend a size larger than what you
would consider, but 90% of the time they are spot on.  You may wonder
about that other 10%.  I know there are some folks that have said they
wish they purchased the smaller size, rather than what they ended up
with.  They have a valid point, but I (and hopefully they) would say
they are in the small minority there.  Doug's touring on his Atlantis
right now, or else I'm sure he would be the first to reply in
encouraging you to get one.  Great bike that most people can do
everything they would ever want to on.

So give 'em a call  talk it over.  Measure and re-measure your PBH.
Really consider what kind of tires you will be using and where you
will be riding.  Think about it all, but do trust the merry elves of
Rivendell.

On 3/17/11, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 3/17/11, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote:
 If you are looking at an Atlantis, then you are likely in tune with
 the Riv philosophy. That may not be necessarily true if you were
 looking at a Roadeo for instance. The folks have many decades
 experience fitting thousands of mostly happy folks to fine bikes. I
 suggest you can trust their judgment. Call and tell them your
 experience, your concerns, and what you want to do with your new bike.
 I am quite certain you will be pleased.

 For me in the late 90s, I was shocked when they wanted to sell me a
 61-62cm frame after I had been riding 58s for over a decade.  They
 were so right.

 On Mar 17, 7:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone:

 I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
 Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
 California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
 Rivendell
 Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
 over
 the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
 big
 or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work
 for
 Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
 their
 bicycles.

 THanks

 Khalid

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.




 --
 Cheers,
 David
 Redlands, CA

 *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
 probably benefit more from
 improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS



-- 
Cheers,
David
Redlands, CA

*...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
probably benefit more from
improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Rick]

Call them.  And do the re-measure at least twice.  I measured
incorrectly at least that many times, shorting myself a couple of
centimeters, but was instructed by Riv staff to try again, due to the
apparent discrepancy between my height and alleged pbh.

In the end, I wound up with an Atlantis a size up from what I
expected.  And I love it.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Minh]

We can try to help you as we have a decent cross-section of heights
+pbh on this list but it's always helpful to get a ride.  if you're in
a decent east coast city you should be able to find an owner to let
you test ride.  there are also some bikes that are similiar in
philosophy that can help.

the biggest mental hurdle is that you will be on a bigger size bike
(unless you get one of the vanity sized bikes like the bombadil or
hillborne :) ) there are some anecdotal stories of people buying one
size too big and then going back to a smaller size, but i think thats
due to the variation from person to person.  i have a 56 hillborne, i
think i could've done a 60 as i have my bars pretty high.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[GeorgeS]

I don't know where on the east coast you are but Harris Cyclery in
West Newton, Mass has, or had the last time I was there, several
Atlantis' in stock.
GeorgeS

On Mar 17, 8:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone:

 I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
 Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
 California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a Rivendell
 Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering over
 the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to big
 or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work for
 Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase their
 bicycles.

 THanks

 Khalid

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

+1 on call them. I bought my Quickbeam over the phone, and I love
it. John asked me how big a tire I planned to use, and how I intended
to ride it (biggest tires, + trail-riding), and suggested the 60cm,
even though my 85cm saddle height indicated I would want a road-only
Riv in a 62 or 64.

So - they have experience and opinions on bike fit (more of one and
less of the other, compared to the list*), and they take your
experience and opinions into account.

*I would bet.
 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Mar 18, 7:24 am, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Call them.  And do the re-measure at least twice.  I measured
 incorrectly at least that many times, shorting myself a couple of
 centimeters, but was instructed by Riv staff to try again, due to the
 apparent discrepancy between my height and alleged pbh.

 In the end, I wound up with an Atlantis a size up from what I
 expected.  And I love it.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[reynoldslugs]

Khalid:

Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
Rivendell, and follow their advice.

I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
NEVER steered me wrong.

Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

RL

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[doug peterson]

Khalid:

What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
comforting.

I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11, 32
inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
gotten.

Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.

dougP

On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone:

 I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
 Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
 California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a Rivendell
 Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering over
 the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to big
 or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work for
 Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase their
 bicycles.

 THanks

 Khalid

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Seth Vidal]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Khalid:

 What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
 PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
 anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
 been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
 unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
 bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
 size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
 ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
 comforting.

I'm the other way. They recommended a 61, I went with a 58, probably
shoulda gone with the 61. But I've made it work and I still think I'll
rip the fenders I have on it off sometime soon and put fat franks on
there and see how much clearance I end up with, then :)

I have a 61 rom and it feels like it fits better to me.

Khalid,
 I'm in durham, NC and if you want to try out something around a 58cm
atlantis you're welcome to come borrow mine.

-sv

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Bob Baxter]

Khalid,

I don't know where on the east coast you are but Harris Cyclery, in
the Boston area, is a Rivendell dealer.
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/rivendell/rivendellpageNEW.html

On Mar 17, 8:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone:

 I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
 Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
 California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a Rivendell
 Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering over
 the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to big
 or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work for
 Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase their
 bicycles.

 THanks

 Khalid

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

I am going to call them.  I just needed to feel assured somewhat on buying a
bicycle that I have not tested.  The last time I bought a bicycle was 19
years ago.  I save up 400 dollars to purchase my own bike.  Still ride it
today but I want to get into bicycle touring/camping and I need a strong
bicycle for the weight I am going to carry.

Thanks

K.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:


 Khalid:

 Welcome to the group.  Bottom line: set your mind at ease, call the
 Rivendell, and follow their advice.

 I have a lot of bikes, maybe six customs and maybe six or seven
 Rivendell models.  Like a lot of riders, sometimes I become silly-
 obsessed with a centimeter or two, here and there, on the frame size
 or top tube.  Before buying a frame, I always talk to the fellows at
 Rivendell HQ and follow their advice about frame size.  They have
 NEVER steered me wrong.

 Each Rivendell model I have - - including an Atlantis - - fits really
 well, and rides like a pleasant dream.  Yesterday was St Paddy's day,
 so I rode an Emerald Green Road Custom - - so fun...

 RL

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Khalid Mateen]

I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have the
sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.  I am about the same height as
you.  I am 5'-10/2 with an inseam of 32 inches (at least that is what I buy
in pant sizes).  Maybe I need a 58.  My PBH is around 88cm.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 Khalid:

 What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
 PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
 anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
 been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
 unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
 bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
 size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
 ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
 comforting.

 I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11, 32
 inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
 wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
 suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
 gotten.

 Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
 measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
 etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
 what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.

 dougP

 On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hello everyone:
 
  I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
  Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
  California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
 Rivendell
  Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
 over
  the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
 big
  or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work
 for
  Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
 their
  bicycles.
 
  THanks
 
  Khalid

 --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.



-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[CycloFiend]

on 3/18/11 9:01 AM, Khalid Mateen at krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have the
 sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore. 

Yonder:
http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/choosing_a_frame_size

http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/pbh_and_how_to_measure_it


-- 
Jim Edgar
cyclofi...@earthlink.net

Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com
Current Classics - Cross Bikes
Singlespeed - Working Bikes

Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com


'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary
handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet.  Double disbeleif:
not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles.
-- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Norman]

I'm in New Jersey as well but I'm shorter (pbh of 80) and have a Sam
H. (52) so that won't help you.  Here is a pdf of specs. for Atlantis
and other bikes.

http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf
Norman



On Mar 18, 1:01 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have the
 sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.  I am about the same height as
 you.  I am 5'-10/2 with an inseam of 32 inches (at least that is what I buy
 in pant sizes).  Maybe I need a 58.  My PBH is around 88cm.



 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Khalid:

  What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
  PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
  anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
  been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
  unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
  bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
  size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
  ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
  comforting.

  I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11, 32
  inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
  wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
  suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
  gotten.

  Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
  measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
  etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
  what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.

  dougP

  On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
    Hello everyone:

   I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
   Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
   California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
  Rivendell
   Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
  over
   the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
  big
   or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work
  for
   Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
  their
   bicycles.

   THanks

   Khalid

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

So you are here!  There goes all my credibility...

On Mar 18, 9:42 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Khalid:

 What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
 PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
 anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
 been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
 unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
 bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
 size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
 ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
 comforting.

 I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11, 32
 inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
 wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
 suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
 gotten.

 Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
 measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
 etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
 what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.

 dougP

 On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hello everyone:

  I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
  Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
  California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a Rivendell
  Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering over
  the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to big
  or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work for
  Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase their
  bicycles.

  THanks

  Khalid

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[newenglandbike]

On Mar 18, 1:01 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am 5'-10/2   Maybe I need a 58.  My PBH is around 88cm.



I would bet Rivendell recommends a 61.But do call them and let us
know what you ended up with.

And anyway, I think people fret a little too much about 1-2 cm
difference in ST measurement--  just my opinion, but once you're in
the ball park of 3-4cm, you're good.Also, 'standover' clearance is
overrated... Again, just MHO.


Matt

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[MichaelH]

You have gotten lots of good advice.  I would add one thought; Riv
measures their bikes CTC, which actually makes them about 1 CM smaller
than most other bike companies, which measure CTT.  It also depends on
where you want the handlebars in relation to the saddle.  I think
Grant assumes even to 2 cm above.  If you ride 2 or more cm below (as
I do), then one size smaller will be fine.

When I bought my Rambouillet, Grant recommended a 64, but I went with
62, because it was in stock, and 64 sounded large.  I thought the 62
was CTT, Although I'm perfectly happy with 62, I now realize that 63
CTC or 64 CTT would actually be a perfect fit.

You wont go wrong trusting the Riv recommendation.

michael

On Mar 17, 9:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone:

 I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
 Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
 California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a Rivendell
 Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering over
 the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to big
 or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work for
 Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase their
 bicycles.

 THanks

 Khalid

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

On Mar 18, 3:35 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 You have gotten lots of good advice.  I would add one thought; Riv
 measures their bikes CTC, which actually makes them about 1 CM smaller
 than most other bike companies, which measure CTT.

No they don't. I don't mean to be abrupt (I just am), but I'm afraid
you are in error.

Rivendell measures seat tubes Center-To-Top like most people, and top
tubes Center-To-Center like everyone.

From their site (http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_fit/
choosing_a_frame_size):
Our bikes, and most non-Italian bikes, are measured from the center of
the crank (or bottom bracket) to the top of the seat tube. In the old
days this was called the English Method, to distinguish it from the
Italian Method, which measures to the center line intersection of the
seat and top tube (think, center of the seat lug.

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[doug peterson]

Khalid:

Have a look at this link to an old Atlantis sizing chart:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/atlflyer/04.html

I have two Atlantis catalogues with sizing charts.  They are not dated
so don't know which is more current but neither is less than 8-9 years
old.  One lists the 58 for PBH from 84 cm to 89, and seat height from
74 cm to 79.  The 61 is for 87 cm to 93 PBH and 77 to 82 seat height.
The other catalogue has tightened up the range on measurements so
there is only 1-2 mm overlap between sizes.

Others have mentioned that once you're in the ballpark, a cm here 
there is within the range of adjustment.  According to Riv's charts,
at 88 cm PBH you could ride either a 58 or a 61.  IIRC they are quite
close in the top tube dimension.

dougP

On Mar 18, 10:01 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have the
 sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.  I am about the same height as
 you.  I am 5'-10/2 with an inseam of 32 inches (at least that is what I buy
 in pant sizes).  Maybe I need a 58.  My PBH is around 88cm.



 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Khalid:

  What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
  PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
  anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
  been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
  unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
  bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
  size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
  ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
  comforting.

  I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11, 32
  inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
  wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
  suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
  gotten.

  Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
  measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
  etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
  what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.

  dougP

  On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
    Hello everyone:

   I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
   Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
   California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
  Rivendell
   Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
  over
   the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
  big
   or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work
  for
   Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
  their
   bicycles.

   THanks

   Khalid

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[doug peterson]

Khalid:

Just in case you need any more encouragement, here's the link to
cyclofiend's site on all things Atlantis:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/

Take a look at some of the set-ups shown.  It's an incredibly
versatile bike.

dougP

On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello everyone:

 I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
 Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
 California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a Rivendell
 Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering over
 the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to big
 or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work for
 Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase their
 bicycles.

 THanks

 Khalid

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[James Warren]

My 64 cm frame from 2001 has a 62 cm toptube, not 60!

I've often wondered when and why the switch occured on later models.


-Original Message-
From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
Sent: Mar 18, 2011 3:28 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

Khalid:

Have a look at this link to an old Atlantis sizing chart:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/atlflyer/04.html

I have two Atlantis catalogues with sizing charts.  They are not dated
so don't know which is more current but neither is less than 8-9 years
old.  One lists the 58 for PBH from 84 cm to 89, and seat height from
74 cm to 79.  The 61 is for 87 cm to 93 PBH and 77 to 82 seat height.
The other catalogue has tightened up the range on measurements so
there is only 1-2 mm overlap between sizes.

Others have mentioned that once you're in the ballpark, a cm here 
there is within the range of adjustment.  According to Riv's charts,
at 88 cm PBH you could ride either a 58 or a 61.  IIRC they are quite
close in the top tube dimension.

dougP

On Mar 18, 10:01 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have the
 sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.  I am about the same height as
 you.  I am 5'-10/2 with an inseam of 32 inches (at least that is what I buy
 in pant sizes).  Maybe I need a 58.  My PBH is around 88cm.



 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Khalid:

  What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
  PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
  anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
  been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
  unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
  bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
  size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
  ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
  comforting.

  I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11, 32
  inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
  wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
  suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
  gotten.

  Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
  measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
  etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
  what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.

  dougP

  On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
    Hello everyone:

   I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
   Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
   California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
  Rivendell
   Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
  over
   the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
  big
   or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work
  for
   Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
  their
   bicycles.

   THanks

   Khalid

  --
   You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.


-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[doug peterson]

Talk to Mathew in VA - see his posting here about his 61 cm for sale
(hisnhers...).

dougP

On Mar 18, 5:11 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am actually in NJ.



 On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hello everyone:

   I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
   Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
   California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
  Rivendell
   Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
  over
   the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
  big
   or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who work
  for
   Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
  their
   bicycles.

  Where on the east coast are you?

  maybe ask if there are atlantis owners nearby you.

  we're all over the place.
  -sv

  --
  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
  RBW Owners Bunch group.
  To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
  To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
  rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
  For more options, visit this group at
 http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Roger]

I seem to remember in the early 00's that Sheldon Brown was lobbying
hard for Rivendell to shorten top tubes, and that people on forums
would chorus in on that. That may or may not be germane, though.

On Mar 18, 3:33 pm, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
 My 64 cm frame from 2001 has a 62 cm toptube, not 60!

 I've often wondered when and why the switch occured on later models.

 -Original Message-
 From: doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
 Sent: Mar 18, 2011 3:28 PM
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

 Khalid:

 Have a look at this link to an old Atlantis sizing chart:

 http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/atlflyer/04.html

 I have two Atlantis catalogues with sizing charts.  They are not dated
 so don't know which is more current but neither is less than 8-9 years
 old.  One lists the 58 for PBH from 84 cm to 89, and seat height from
 74 cm to 79.  The 61 is for 87 cm to 93 PBH and 77 to 82 seat height.
 The other catalogue has tightened up the range on measurements so
 there is only 1-2 mm overlap between sizes.

 Others have mentioned that once you're in the ballpark, a cm here 
 there is within the range of adjustment.  According to Riv's charts,
 at 88 cm PBH you could ride either a 58 or a 61.  IIRC they are quite
 close in the top tube dimension.

 dougP

 On Mar 18, 10:01 am, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
  I do not know what sizes will fit me on a Rivendell.  They do not have the
  sizing on the frame based on a PBH anymore.  I am about the same height as
  you.  I am 5'-10/2 with an inseam of 32 inches (at least that is what I 
  buy
  in pant sizes).  Maybe I need a 58.  My PBH is around 88cm.

  On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
   Khalid:

   What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in
   PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden
   anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's
   been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I
   unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old
   bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right
   size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the
   ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is
   comforting.

   I don't recall my PBH but it must be in the high 80s.  I'm 5'11, 32
   inseam.  Initially I was talking to Riv about a custom (I thought I
   wanted couplings) but after all the measurin'n'figurin', they
   suggested just buying a stock Atlantis.  Best bicycle advice I've ever
   gotten.

   Have you taken all your bike's measurements?  In addition to you,
   measure your current bike's relation of seat to h'bars, seat height,
   etc.  As others have suggested, talk to Riv live about this.  Knowing
   what you're comfortable with now helps clarify the size question.

   dougP

   On Mar 17, 6:55 pm, Khalid Mateen krm2...@gmail.com wrote:
     Hello everyone:

I am new to this forum and I have a question to ask about ordering an
Atlantis.  I have taken my PBH but I am no where near Walnut Creek
California.  I am on the east coast of the US and no where near a
   Rivendell
Dealer.  Can you tell me, your experience of bicycle fit when ordering
   over
the phone a bicycle that you have never tried?  Did the bicycle feel to
   big
or too small?  I have always heard good things about the people who 
work
   for
Rivendell Bicycle works but wanted to ask people who actually purchase
   their
bicycles.

THanks

Khalid

   --
    You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
   Groups
   RBW Owners Bunch group.
   To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
   To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
   rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
   For more options, visit this group at
  http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text -

  - Show quoted text -

 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 RBW Owners Bunch group.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
 To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
 rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
 For more options, visit this group 
 athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

RE: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

This thread has probably run its course, but Khaleed, if you'd like to ride a 
61cm Atlantis, I've got one in Wilmington, DE.  I'll be out of the country till 
later this month, but you're welcome to ride it (or my 60cm Quickbeam, or 61cm 
Homer) whenever you like once I get back. 

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:46 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Atlantis

On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Khalid:

 What size(s) are you considering?  The 58  61 have some overlap in 
 PBH  seat height.  Riv suggested a 61 for me but I'd never ridden 
 anything larger than a 58.  I went with 58 with a 10 cm stem  it's 
 been perfect.  FWIW, I'd never even seen a Rivendell live before I 
 unpacked mine.  I just put the h'bars  seat at the height of my old 
 bike, hopped on  took off.  Within a mile I knew I'd gotten the right 
 size.  I've only got an inch or so of clearance with both feet on the 
 ground, with 35 mm tires.  A bit of clearance when you hop off is 
 comforting.

I'm the other way. They recommended a 61, I went with a 58, probably shoulda 
gone with the 61. But I've made it work and I still think I'll rip the fenders 
I have on it off sometime soon and put fat franks on there and see how much 
clearance I end up with, then :)

I have a 61 rom and it feels like it fits better to me.

Khalid,
 I'm in durham, NC and if you want to try out something around a 58cm atlantis 
you're welcome to come borrow mine.

-sv

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.




--


To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, 
unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this 
message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the 
purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code 
or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or 
recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein.



This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the 
addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or 
confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, 
you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this 
email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this 
email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently 
delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof.

Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their 
professional qualifications will be provided upon request.

==

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW 
Owners Bunch group.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.