Drinking cold water maybe does not induce as abrupt a "Cold shock" as
bodily immersion in cold water. I'll vouch for what Jay said from rafting
(and unplanned exits of said craft) on the dam-controlled Youghigheny
River. Your personal inventory of stuff that puckers and stops normal
The cold shock response from sudden immersion is a recognized phenomenon that
is emphasized a lot in boating safety courses, hence the mantra “dress for the
water, not the weather.” I’m not aware of a similar danger from drinking cold
water, although so-called ice cream headache is possibility…
And I specifically avoid insulated water bottles because someone convinced
me once that cold water, particularly on a hot day, is a shock to the
system. Can anyone confirm or deny?
-Kai
On Sunday, June 6, 2021 at 8:03:39 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
> Because running low on water
Because running low on water stinks, I use a 48oz nalgene bottle in my
Mojave cage with a 32oz backup in the summer or on a longer ride. Works
well in my large triangles, maybe less so on smaller frames. The larger
bottle also provides a little more space to blame for the weight of my
bikes.
you might check on http://tourdelospadres.weebly.com/ the organizer is very
familiar with water sources in the lower half of the area you mention.
Curious as to your planned route,I'd like to something like that some time.
~mike
Carlsbad Ca
On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 9:09:59 AM UTC-7,
I have a years old Sigg that fits perfect in the King standard or Iris.
On Monday, November 3, 2014 9:23:08 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
As I replace my two bottles that died on today’s ride I’m going with
stainless steel. I’d love to hear your experience with the following:
— preferred
Thanks, David and George. George, your suggestion reminded me I'd wondered
if stretching a rubber tube over a bottle might grip the Iris cage,
eliminate any rattle,a nd keep everything in there. H.
I'm planning on the 27oz Kleen Kanteen widemouth.
With abandon,
Patrick
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Deacon, I have used the Kleen K. bottles for years and only remembering one
or two incidents of them bouncing out. Probably because I hadn't pushed the
bottle all the way in. I prefer to use the small bottle on the down tube
and a large bottle on the seat tube. They work fine with either the
Great to hear, Michael. Thank you. From what I've read, the
plastic/nylon/polyglobutinidesomesuch all break in the cold. That won't
work. So, as you may have seen from my wtb/wtt post, I'm switching to the
Iris.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 6:01:20 AM UTC-7, Michael
Patrick,
I have used the 27oz Kleen Kanteen bottles for several years and like them.
I have Iris cages on my Atlantis and the Kleen Kanteen plastic cages on my
Surly
LHT:
http://www.kleankanteen.com/products/accessories/klean-kanteen-bike-cage.php
I have never had a bottle fall out using
I use all different bottles but esp in the winter I use stainless steel
with cap covers - I ride lots of country roads where they manure the fields
so the dust is a bit funky. I like to have a clean spout to drink from. The
rattle of the bottles in the cages and the scraping sound when putting
On Monday, November 3, 2014 9:23:08 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
As I replace my two bottles that died on today’s ride I’m going with
stainless steel. I’d love to hear your experience with the following:
— preferred brand stainless bottle and why?
Klean Kanteen insulated 20oz bottles.
The iris is just so damned beautiful too.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:23 AM, john muhl johnm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, November 3, 2014 9:23:08 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
As I replace my two bottles that died on today’s ride I’m going with
stainless steel. I’d love to hear your
The iris holds steel kleen kanteens like a champ. i have never had a Kleen
Kanteen bounce out.
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And I've seen how Zack rides his bike. He's mean.
looking, anyway.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:
The iris holds steel kleen kanteens like a champ. i have never had a
Kleen Kanteen bounce out.
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I have a bunch of the 27oz Klean Kanteen bottles and I mostly like them a
lot. As far as
I have 2 - 27oz KK Reflect ( brushed finish) and two knock off iris cages.
Here are some of the my observations...
Even though I washed them thoroughly I still get that funky SS smell/ taste.
They rattle like crazy. The loop and bottle in the cage. I'm going to have
to try some of the the ideas
with chris and andy as ride leaders there are lots of sharp unexpected
turns, stairs to ride down, curbs to jump, suburban cut-throughs to
navigate, things to push your bike up, and gravelly descents. nary a kleen
kanteen has fallen out.
they have also seen many a shawn ride, but those are
I like the Iris on my bike that never goes off-road. I never have to worry
about the bottle being askew and bumping my leg.
On Nov 4, 2014 1:23 PM, john muhl johnm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, November 3, 2014 9:23:08 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
As I replace my two bottles that died on
Why not try some of the better designed and constructed nylon or whatever
cages? I've got four on my Fargo made of heavy, tough, thick black plastic
and designed with an interrupted ring to grab the bottle. They don't drop
bottles even at 30 mph on terrible washboard, and no straps needed.
FWIW:
This'll work just fine on an 18 oz. Klean Kanteen bottle:
http://www.amazon.com/Bottle-Koozie-Insulator-Neoprene-Purple/dp/B009ITPB7Q
Bust off the belt hook; you won't need it. Then, remove the cinch button
and tie the strings together tightly around the neck of the bottle. Though
intended
Perfectly good feeder bottles by the side of the road? That says something
about the neighborhood! Oh, the tales we could tell of what we've found by the
side of the road!
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On Aug 16, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:
Good idea. I have seen some
I like the CamelBak Podium bottles, too, but when riding off road here in
dry-n-dusty SoCal there is nothing to prevent powdered horse and catamount
dung from collecting at the orifice of the valve. Anybody try a Podium Mud
Cap?
http://shop.camelbak.com/podium-mud-cap/d/1044_c_328_cl_381
- David
Good idea. I have seen some brand new bottles dropped by the side of the
road on charity rides. I keep thinking I should pick them up and take them
home.
Oh and, another vote for the Camelback Podium. Much easier than standard
bottles.
On Aug 15, 2014 12:08 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com
Another vote for Podium bottles. They've been my go-to for years now. I
like the Kleen Canteens, but as others have stated, no squeezability and no
drinking valve make it a tough choice for riding.
On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:28:27 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
Thought this might be of
I have two that I use--like them a lot.
Interestingly, both were found by the side of the road and put through a few
dishwasher cycles. I haven't had to buy one yet.
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On Aug 13, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Neil
RBW'ers,
I added a CamelBak Podium to an order from Wiggle in the UK last winter and
that has become my favorite bottle. I particularly like that the screw-on
cap has a flow lock off setting, so the bottle can be transported with
little or no chance of leakage. This bottle from the UK is clear
thanks for the link, but I'm amazed that none of my bottles are there.
There must be just too many choices available.
On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:28:27 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
Thought this might be of interest to the group. They tested 50 different
water bottles and came of with
hmm, i rode with my klean canteen for a bit but non insulated, no squeezing
and a screw off cap made it a non starter really. I see now they have a
variety of caps but man the water got hot fast, even with ice cubes.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks
Camelback Podium bottles for me. It's the ease of drinking that does
it. Just squeeze the bottle and squirt into your mouth. In the cap is a
cool little bladder, called a Jet Valve, that only opens when the bottle
is squeezed and is closed otherwise, so no more fiddle around with
my wife carries the podium ice with her at all times, says its the only one
that doesn't sweat everywhere when there is cold stuff inside.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
Camelback Podium bottles for me. It's the ease of drinking that does
it. Just
I use the Camelbak insulated bottles, which keep drinks cool up to 15
minutes after you start riding and come in a wide range of stupid prints
and garish colors that don't match any of my bikes. I do actually like that
you can lock out the bite valve until you need it, and they're a lot easier
Patrick, I have one overriding association with water in NM. On a camping
trip my wife and I stopped for lunch at a state park. I've long since
forgotten where, but there was a lake and a single, Indian family fishing
and picnicing. We struck up a conversation and i asked him if the water at
Both of those are beautiful bikes, but the Vangal is, in my opinion, on an
entirely different order of beautiful. Any idea what it sold for new in the
'70's or what size it is?
Jim D.Massaachusetts
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:45:28 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
Here are links to
Hi Jim,
Agreed on the Valgan... wow. Great attention to details on the build, too.
From the photostream, it's seat tube is 58.5
c-c.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stronglight/3609521375/in/set-72157602257150196
He also writes: the stand-over height (on 700Cx25mm tires) is a full 840 mm
(33)
triple the humidity and ride with us in S. Texas...but I like your style.
We often opt for liquid bread at our halfway stops - chased with much
water, of course. Wish you had your camera for the Vitus.
On Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:56:36 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
In just 20 1/2 miles
Apparently the Vangal was a re-branded French import brought in by a couple
of Americans, with last names Van... and ...gal, back in the '70s; his was
the top o' line model (Champion?) and I have to say that the lug thinning
and brazing detail looked as good to cursory eyes as that on my
I always brush-vacuum mine at home - get the fine stuff off the tires, and
dust, and light rub water marks.
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I keep them waxed with Butcher's Bowling Alley Wax.
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I noticed a remarkable drop in the amount of water I need with two things:
-- I switched to always nose breathing
-- I eliminated grains and most carbs from my diet.
That includes 8 hour runs in the heat of the day in the Canyon Lands at
100+ temps (low humidity) drinking under 40 oz. and not
when you're in your aerobic spin, breathing in through your nose is great,
but the surest way to prevent lactic acid buildup is to breathe out your
mouth.
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:15:43 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I noticed a remarkable drop in the amount of water I need with two
Why would you want to limit lactic acid build up? Lactic acid is fuel, not
waste. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:29:29 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
when you're in your aerobic spin, breathing in through your nose is great,
but the
Not another diet discussion, please.
On Jun 23, 2013 1:15 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
I noticed a remarkable drop in the amount of water I need with two things:
-- I switched to always nose breathing
-- I eliminated grains and most carbs from my diet.
That includes 8 hour
I want a 500+ long thread on the merits of good ale to human nutrition,
health, longevity, morality, spirituality, sophistication, and cycling
fitness. Surely ale was part of the paleolithic lifestyle?
Riv content: what are the truest Rivendellian (Rivendellish?
Rivendellianesque?
Froidiyan slip: Bridgestone! I meant Bridgeport.
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
I want a 500+ long thread on the merits of good ale to human nutrition,
health, longevity, morality, spirituality, sophistication, and cycling
fitness. Surely ale was
Please on a different message board. I don't drink alcohol, I eat food, I
ride my bike. K. I. S. S.
On Jun 23, 2013 3:12 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
I want a 500+ long thread on the merits of good ale to human nutrition,
health, longevity, morality, spirituality,
Spoilsport!
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:
Please on a different message board. I don't drink alcohol, I eat food, I
ride my bike. K. I. S. S.
On Jun 23, 2013 3:12 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
I want a 500+ long thread on the
Haha, that is what my wife would say or that I am the most boringist
person in the world
On Jun 23, 2013 3:22 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Spoilsport!
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:
Please on a different message board. I don't
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:24:54 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
Haha, that is what my wife would say or that I am the most boringist
person in the world
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wrote:
Spoilsport!
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Peter Morgano
Even from this hop monger, Fat Tire is kind of a no-brainer. A nice citrus
note that makes it a good summertime brew. Sour trappist ales really hit
the spot when you're feeling dehydrated. Obviously a lot of alcohol is a
dumb idea, but a beer gives you carbs, makes you take a rest - just make
Here are links to Bob's Vangal Chambord (not Champion).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stronglight/8120162907/in/set-72157602257150196/lightbox/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stronglight/1483723440/in/set-72157602257150196
thanks for the links !
On Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:45:28 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
Here are links to Bob's Vangal Chambord (not Champion).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stronglight/8120162907/in/set-72157602257150196/lightbox/
Bobby, this is a great ride.Unfortunately I plan to be in Florida on
those dates. I've been through there twice; camping in Worthington State
Forest where my wife and I spotted a bear meandering along the ridge line
up behind our campsite when we did a 3-day last summer. It definitely is
Bobby, gonna try for this.
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If anyone is going to drive from Vermont and would like some company and
money for gas and expenses, I would love to do this. (We are a carless
family)
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*Lodging near the Water Gap (for out of state travelers, Friday night):*
Depending which direction you're coming from and if you want to stay near the
start, there should be plenty of places within a 30 minute drive of the Gap.
I would suggest using Google Maps to find lodging that suits
Looks good to me...Made a reservation. As soon as the snow melts I'll try to
build up the miles.
Norman
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Here are a few more links:
Photos from Dec 2010 ride:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461051@N04/sets/72157625537838306/with/5236466738/
Link to National Parks page/description of Old Mine Road:
http://www.nps.gov/dewa/historyculture/stories-old-mine-rd.htm
Link to Stokes State Forest info:
Sounds great but a little early in the season for me to tackle back to back
days in the hills.
Michael
Westford Vt, where it is 5 degrees and windy, but the snow has stopped.
On Friday, February 8, 2013 11:17:27 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
Attention Adventure Riders:
I am planning a
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