Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[lconley]

I first started working on bikes in 1969 when I was working on the Cycling 
Merit Badge in the Boy Scouts. Had to do 6 @ 25 mile rides  and one 50 mile 
ride - all accomplished on a 2-speed Sting-Ray, but back to the point. My 
friend who was working on the merit badge with me - his father showed us 
how to take apart two bikes - one a Schwinn coaster brake bicycle with 
one-piece Ashtabula crank, and another English 3--speed with a cottered 
crank. I have been working on my own bikes and occasionally other bikes 
ever since. Other than the initial schooling for the merit badge, I am self 
taught and I have never worked in a bike shop. Until recently, I did 
everything myself except headset installations on new bikes. Then I had the 
LBS install a1-1/8" IRD roller bearing headset on a VO Neutrino. They 
installed it upside down. You cannot assume that the LBS knows what they 
are doing (re: Leah and her rear fender). Nobody cares more about my bike 
than I do, Some care equally, a lot care less. I have broken some parts 
over the years, but honestly - I learned more from the mistakes. I usually 
build my own wheels, but I am not Rich Lesnik or Peter White - I have 
wheels by both and they are definitely better than mine, but mine are much 
better than they were a few years ago.

I was completely baffled by threadless headsets when I bought my first bike 
with one about 20 years or so ago (a LeMond Buenos Aires). I thought the 
screw in the top was just to hold the cover on the top - no idea that it 
was how you set the bearing pre-load. Finally figured it out when I was 
in an LBS buying a tube and the mechanic was working on a headset then it 
was painfully obvious how simple it was. Still prefer threaded (mostly 
based on appearance). Note - I prefer bike shops where they work on the 
bikes out in the open - not hidden in the back room.

I do have a great mechanical aptitude and I am a mechanical engineer. If 
you can assemble an Ikea cabinet, you can probably do your own bike work. 
They didn't have it when I was growing up, but YouTube is great (but not 
always correct). You just need to buy the specialized tools when needed and 
be willing to break a few things.  Otherwise you may need to leave it to 
the pros.


Laing
Delray Beach FL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

I certainly don't begrudge anyone taking business to a bike shop. But I have to 
insist bike mechanics can go from "don't know" to "know" via a handy phone and 
a search window. Or asking right dang here!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Philip Williamson]

I take refuge in the 'maybe' part of that rule.  
I'm not a mechanic, I'm a hobbyist. My bike tinkering used to be largely 
due to having non-standard ideas for bike setup, and then it was due to 
being fairly poor, and now I just like it. 

You do need to surrender ego when you step off the edge into the unknown. 
And again when you're doing stuff "you know how to do." 
I'm always prepared to go down to the shop afterward and say, "Hey. Funny 
story. See this?" 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 3:23:48 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> A good rule to bear in mind is, if you don't know what you're doing maybe 
> you should just let the LBS take care of it.
> On 5/13/20 2:54 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The learning curve for cranks and bottom brackets can be quite steep and 
> expensive. Especially back in my day when Google was a book or magazine page 
> you tracked down and hoped you understood the grainy pics. Good times! 
>
>
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[masmojo]

Lately, I've been working on some BMX bikes; BMX bikes are so different from a 
"normal" bike. I personally think a hammer is not the appropriate tool for 
working on a bike, but it's absolutely essential when working on a BMX  bike! 
LOL 
And sometimes they require a lot of hammer; which feels unnatural,  but also 
oddly satisfying!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, you can. I didn't figure out torque specs from some kid at the LBS telling 
me, I read and watched stuff online. Taking it to the LBS doesn't teach you how 
to do it yourself, and 50% of this forum is people teaching other people the 
things they don't know about bikes. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

On 5/13/20 6:49 PM, Austin B. wrote:
I generally only apply this approach when it comes to wheels and frame 
repair. My attempts to true a wheel only made it worse.



Me too

One of the easiest ways to ruin a wheel I've ever seen



Austin


On Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 6:23:48 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

A good rule to bear in mind is, if you don't know what you're
doing maybe you should just let the LBS take care of it.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

Yes, but you can't learn stuff like the difference between too loose, 
just right and oh shit from a video.


On 5/13/20 6:56 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

A good rule to bear in mind is if you don't know what you're doing you can read 
stuff and watch videos and learn.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

A good rule to bear in mind is if you don't know what you're doing you can read 
stuff and watch videos and learn.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Austin B.]

I generally only apply this approach when it comes to wheels and frame 
repair. My attempts to true a wheel only made it worse. 

Austin


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>
> A good rule to bear in mind is, if you don't know what you're doing maybe 
> you should just let the LBS take care of it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

A good rule to bear in mind is, if you don't know what you're doing 
maybe you should just let the LBS take care of it.


On 5/13/20 2:54 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

The learning curve for cranks and bottom brackets can be quite steep and 
expensive. Especially back in my day when Google was a book or magazine page 
you tracked down and hoped you understood the grainy pics. Good times!


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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

['Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My admissions have more to with the growth of my bikes than mechanical lessons. 
 I consider myself a complete novice when I started my own maintenance and 
repairs.  With low or no expectations one can expect mistakes and simply learn 
from them.  Fortunately none of my maintenance has cost me financially really.
Now regarding hunting and finding jumbo Rivendells that fit my almost 100PBH 
measurement I make mistakes all the time justifying the next addition due to 
their rarity and long stretches of nothing coming up for sale.
Several times I have justified a purchase telling myself I would sell 1 or 2 
off following the new purchase.
Now I realize my failure at following through with that behavior.  The new plan 
is to sell first before purchasing a new jewel when it presents itself.
I have a special credit union checking account earning 3% interest linked to a 
Paypal account which is the new criteria I use for new bike desires.  No money 
no bike/wheels/parts/etc.
Since bikes are my main vice in retirement I feel ok with my childlike wanting 
desires and have a mature adult like check and balance system.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Brian Campbell]

4 or 5 years ago I picked up a vintage Trek 710 that ended up having a 
stuck seat post. I removed the crank set and put some penetrating fluid  
into the seat tube via the open bottom bracket. I let it sit for a few days 
and it still would not budge.

An internet search showed me that I could clamp the seat in a vise and use 
the frame as a lever to break the stuck post free. So I did.

A strong push, a cracking sound and movement! 

So I leaned in to it and split the seat lug down to the seat tube and bent 
it outward. The post was still stuck and it was the seat lug breaking 
rather than the post moving. l learned that force is not always your 
friend. Its one I have to keep remanding myself of over & over when it 
comes to bike repair..

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

The learning curve for cranks and bottom brackets can be quite steep and 
expensive. Especially back in my day when Google was a book or magazine page 
you tracked down and hoped you understood the grainy pics. Good times! 

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Austin B.]

My first attempt at installing a new crankset on a square-taper BB went as 
poorly as it could a few years back. The spindle lengths matter for what? 
Here's how it went (*Bold are actions I took*, *italics are my thoughts as 
best I can recall*):


   1. *Shiny new drive-side crankset goes on the spindle. **Crank down the 
   bolt. Done. Terrific! That was easy!*
   2. *Inspect by brilliant handy work. **Oh wait, why the heck isn't this 
   thing spinning? Crap--the small chainring is jammed against the 
   chainstay! Better remove the bolt and back it off.*
   3. *Pulling and shimmying for a few minutes.* *This thing's on there 
   good! Better use the crank puller.*
   4. *Crank puller fail.* *Oh crap, it's so tight it just stripped the 
   treads on my new crank! WTF??*
   5. *Went to Google: *"how to remove square-taper crankset"
   6. *Went to Amazon: order placed for pulling tool. **Yeah, this will get 
   it off.*
   7. *Pulling tool arrives. **Pulling tool fail.** F#*k! This #$#%ing 
   thing just ruined my crank!*
   8. *Facepalm. Desperation sets in--t**o the Dremel tool. **I just need 
   to get the damn thing off. Screw saving the crank.*
   9. *After about 20-30 minutes of cutting into my alloy crank, it came 
   off the bike.** I'm NEVER using a square-taper BB again.These things are 
   cursed!*

For the record, I am actually mechanically-inclined and do all of my own 
bike maintenance. But this was a blatant lack of understanding of these BB 
on my part. And despite swearing off square-taper BBs, I am actually 
running one on my Roadeo which I've installed successfully myself on two 
different bikes.

Learning has occurred.

Austin in MD

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Philip Williamson]

As a conduit for the above-linked Google doc, and a collaborator on an iPhone 
app based on it, I much prefer the Silca app to either of those. This link goes 
to the Pro version: 
https://silca.cc/pages/sppc-form?submissionGuid=542af2ca-a32b-4a31-8609-9e93df4d4062
I imagine if they’re looking at the data, they’ll think my email is associated 
with a bot farm or something. They haven’t spammed me or anything.

Things I should’ve known... these are mostly self-taught software issues. I 
once made a Photoshop action to collapse all visible layers, select all, copy, 
and then revert to the layers version, in order to get a quick copy on the 
clipboard. I assigned the action to a function key, and happily used it for a 
few months, until I saw my friend use... the built in keyboard shortcut for 
“copy visible.” 
Just the other month Jim Edgar (our beloved list admin) shared that on an 
iPhone or iPad keyboard, you can long-press the space bar and zoom the cursor 
around the screen and put it anywhere you want.
And several months ago my new work Mac crashed. Where is the power button to 
turn it back on?? I’d been using PCs for years. No button on the side. Top, 
front, where? Oh! Unmarked unlabeled piece of trim slightly shinier than the 
rest of the trim.

I had a flat about a year ago and rolling the bike made a lump-lump-lump once 
per revolution. I’d left the dork nuts on the valve stem... inside the tire! 
Both wheels! More of an oversight than an ignorance, but still!

Philip
A tinker not a mechanic in 95404


On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
> The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other testing and 
> put in a tool here:
> 
> 
> https://info.silca.cc/silca-professional-pressure-calculator
> 
> 
> Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a recommendation 
> that is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave them 
> my email for the pro version but the basic is good enough.
> 
> 
> -Dave J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Eric Daume]

That's funny, one my usual reasons for a ride is to return library books
(~16 mile round triip). When one of the kids comes along, we usually stop
for Jeni's ice cream nearby.  I miss this with the library shut down.

It's not nearly the same just to ride there and ride back, without books.

Eric
Plain City OH

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 12:04 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Mas, did your son connect his Kindle to his library apps? Ebooks and
> audiobooks are often as pricy as print format, but you can’t beat getting
> your books from the library for free with a touch on your screen. Never
> having to pick up and drop off books is just amazing.
>
> Yes, if you are a reader with a proclivity to read really niche stuff or
> books written a long, long time ago, then you’ll have better luck in print.
> My Dad has rooms full of dusty old hardbacks about Custer and other very
> specific historical people/events and he would never be able to find his
> books at the library or in e-book/audiobook format.
>
> But for most everyone else, virtual books are just the ticket. And thank
> God for them - it’s been so delightful to have whatever we want to read one
> click away from our library app. Gosh, I’m tempted to start a What To Read
> In COVID Times thread now, but that is most certainly off topic and would
> likely be frowned upon...
>
> Carry on!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 8, 2020, at 7:19 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> >
> > Leah, a couple years ago, we got my son a Kindle, I was a bit perplexed
> because he already had a tablet!?
> > Well, he reads a lot! And he wanted the Kindle because, they are allowed
> in school & regular tablets are not. Also, he was reading so many books
> that they were rapidly stacking up around the house; he was going to the
> library,  but even they were challenged to provide a steady stream of the
> things he likes. So we plunk down the money, he uses it for a couple
> months, but then it gets stuck in the corner. Why? Well, as it turns out
> e-books are not cheap! Sure, there's plenty of free "classics" but many
> times the books he like would be the same price as the hard back or more?
> And quite frequently we could get a coupon for the physical book making it
> cheaper!
> > Or, second hand copies cost almost nothing.
> > Now he still pretty much reads constantly, but he typically just reads
> stuff on his phone. He reads translated versions of Japanese light novels
> (sorta like Manga without the pictures) & he's found some websites that
> carry oodles of that stuff.
> > So, now the Kindle sits on a shelf, kinda feels like a missed
> opportunity!?
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Clayton Scott]

Chances are your pump gauge may be off.

My 20 year old Silca Pista's pressure gauge is purely ornamental. 
Back when I first saw that Berto chart I dismissed it as absurd, but it was 
the pump that was way off.

Now I use an SKS pressure checker gizmo if I really want to know, but most 
of the time I rely on my thumb.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

On Friday, May 8, 2020 at 9:18:16 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> I sort of take the results from the Silca tool as a Minimum. I guess I 
> should have said that. I have gotten a pinch flat and dented rim on 
> the front, but I hit the edge of that pothole hard. Earlier that same 
> day I rode a trail down by the river with some short rocky portions no 
> problem. But the rocks down there are usually rounded by water. 
>
> Maybe you should give Josh some feedback if you are getting double pinch 
> flats. 
>
> -Dave J 
>
> On 5/7/20, Andrew Letton > wrote: 
> >  I recently had a similar experience with the recommended pressures from 
> the 
> > Silca tool - for Snoqualmie Pass tires and rocky fire roads - double 
> pinch 
> > flat on a recent ride.cheers,Andrew 
> > On Friday, May 8, 2020, 04:20:07 AM GMT+10, Corwin  > 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> >  I don't think I would trust the Silca tool. Put in my weight and my 
> bike's 
> > weight - conservatively over estimating both. The tool gave me pressures 
> of 
> > 50 & 48psi for rear and front tires respectively. 
> > At those pressures, I have experienced frequent pinch flats. 
> > Namaste, 
> > 
> > Corwin 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: 
> > The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other 
> testing 
> > and put in a tool here: 
> > https://info.silca.cc/silca- professional-pressure- calculator 
> > Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a 
> recommendation 
> > that is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave 
> them 
> > my email for the pro version but the basic is good enough. 
> > -Dave J 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[David Johnston]

I sort of take the results from the Silca tool as a Minimum. I guess I
should have said that. I have gotten a pinch flat and dented rim on
the front, but I hit the edge of that pothole hard. Earlier that same
day I rode a trail down by the river with some short rocky portions no
problem. But the rocks down there are usually rounded by water.

Maybe you should give Josh some feedback if you are getting double pinch flats.

-Dave J

On 5/7/20, Andrew Letton  wrote:
>  I recently had a similar experience with the recommended pressures from the
> Silca tool - for Snoqualmie Pass tires and rocky fire roads - double pinch
> flat on a recent ride.cheers,Andrew
> On Friday, May 8, 2020, 04:20:07 AM GMT+10, Corwin 
> wrote:
>
>  I don't think I would trust the Silca tool. Put in my weight and my bike's
> weight - conservatively over estimating both. The tool gave me pressures of
> 50 & 48psi for rear and front tires respectively.
> At those pressures, I have experienced frequent pinch flats.
> Namaste,
>
> Corwin
>
> On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
> The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other testing
> and put in a tool here:
> https://info.silca.cc/silca- professional-pressure- calculator
> Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a recommendation
> that is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave them
> my email for the pro version but the basic is good enough.
> -Dave J
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

Mas, did your son connect his Kindle to his library apps? Ebooks and audiobooks 
are often as pricy as print format, but you can’t beat getting your books from 
the library for free with a touch on your screen. Never having to pick up and 
drop off books is just amazing.

Yes, if you are a reader with a proclivity to read really niche stuff or books 
written a long, long time ago, then you’ll have better luck in print. My Dad 
has rooms full of dusty old hardbacks about Custer and other very specific 
historical people/events and he would never be able to find his books at the 
library or in e-book/audiobook format. 

But for most everyone else, virtual books are just the ticket. And thank God 
for them - it’s been so delightful to have whatever we want to read one click 
away from our library app. Gosh, I’m tempted to start a What To Read In COVID 
Times thread now, but that is most certainly off topic and would likely be 
frowned upon...

Carry on!

Sent from my iPad

> On May 8, 2020, at 7:19 AM, masmojo  wrote:
> 
> Leah, a couple years ago, we got my son a Kindle, I was a bit perplexed 
> because he already had a tablet!?
> Well, he reads a lot! And he wanted the Kindle because, they are allowed in 
> school & regular tablets are not. Also, he was reading so many books that 
> they were rapidly stacking up around the house; he was going to the library,  
> but even they were challenged to provide a steady stream of the things he 
> likes. So we plunk down the money, he uses it for a couple months, but then 
> it gets stuck in the corner. Why? Well, as it turns out e-books are not 
> cheap! Sure, there's plenty of free "classics" but many times the books he 
> like would be the same price as the hard back or more? And quite frequently 
> we could get a coupon for the physical book making it cheaper!
> Or, second hand copies cost almost nothing. 
> Now he still pretty much reads constantly, but he typically just reads stuff 
> on his phone. He reads translated versions of Japanese light novels (sorta 
> like Manga without the pictures) & he's found some websites that carry oodles 
> of that stuff.
> So, now the Kindle sits on a shelf, kinda feels like a missed opportunity!?
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[masmojo]

Leah, a couple years ago, we got my son a Kindle, I was a bit perplexed because 
he already had a tablet!?
Well, he reads a lot! And he wanted the Kindle because, they are allowed in 
school & regular tablets are not. Also, he was reading so many books that they 
were rapidly stacking up around the house; he was going to the library,  but 
even they were challenged to provide a steady stream of the things he likes. So 
we plunk down the money, he uses it for a couple months, but then it gets stuck 
in the corner. Why? Well, as it turns out e-books are not cheap! Sure, there's 
plenty of free "classics" but many times the books he like would be the same 
price as the hard back or more? And quite frequently we could get a coupon for 
the physical book making it cheaper!
Or, second hand copies cost almost nothing. 
Now he still pretty much reads constantly, but he typically just reads stuff on 
his phone. He reads translated versions of Japanese light novels (sorta like 
Manga without the pictures) & he's found some websites that carry oodles of 
that stuff.
So, now the Kindle sits on a shelf, kinda feels like a missed opportunity!?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Andrew Letton]

 I recently had a similar experience with the recommended pressures from the 
Silca tool - for Snoqualmie Pass tires and rocky fire roads - double pinch flat 
on a recent ride.cheers,Andrew
On Friday, May 8, 2020, 04:20:07 AM GMT+10, Corwin  
wrote:  
 
 I don't think I would trust the Silca tool. Put in my weight and my bike's 
weight - conservatively over estimating both. The tool gave me pressures of 50 
& 48psi for rear and front tires respectively.
At those pressures, I have experienced frequent pinch flats.
Namaste,

Corwin

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other testing and 
put in a tool here:
https://info.silca.cc/silca- professional-pressure- calculator
Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a recommendation that 
is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave them my 
email for the pro version but the basic is good enough.
-Dave J



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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[George Schick]

Oh, I've either purchased or "checked out" ebooks from the library many 
times, so that's not an issue.  I was just holding out on the price, even 
the steeply discounted eBook price on the particular volume in which I was 
interested.  All I needed was the motivation to push me over the edge, 
which your missive provided, to go download the thing.  I'm enjoying 
reading it at this moment.

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 5:16:43 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> George, go get yourself your very first ebook! If you need tips and tricks 
> or general help, you just go ahead and PM me. I can’t offer you a lick of 
> bike advice, but what treasure I have, I give to thee. 
>
> The format that I held out on the longest was the audiobook format. A 
> lover of podcasts, you would think I’d have jumped at the chance for an 
> audiobook. But I really love them now, mostly so I can do other things. 
> Steam mopping, laundry, cooking...all mundane tasks that are made enjoyable 
> because of audiobooks. 
>
> Joe - you are half right. Your years of car racing fandom have paid off on 
> the definition of penultimate. But you used the Americanism for 
> “nonplussed.” 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Ack, I was half right. Which for me is an improvement!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

George, go get yourself your very first ebook! If you need tips and tricks or 
general help, you just go ahead and PM me. I can’t offer you a lick of bike 
advice, but what treasure I have, I give to thee. 

The format that I held out on the longest was the audiobook format. A lover of 
podcasts, you would think I’d have jumped at the chance for an audiobook. But I 
really love them now, mostly so I can do other things. Steam mopping, laundry, 
cooking...all mundane tasks that are made enjoyable because of audiobooks. 

Joe - you are half right. Your years of car racing fandom have paid off on the 
definition of penultimate. But you used the Americanism for “nonplussed.” 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Here's a thing I ought to have known by now: How to put my tools down all in 
one spot. I'm finishing the build on my custom and I can't tell you how many 
times two Allen wrenches and one small screwdriver have ended up in three 
different places. And not even the same three places! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[George Schick]

OK, I frequent an entirely different blog where the moderator has been 
advertising a special e-book price for a book that I've been wanting to 
read, but have resisted the cost (the hardback is 3-4 times the e-book 
special).  This discussion has convinced me - I'm going to get it!


On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 3:28:50 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Oh, yes, words. My favorite. This is where I put my plug in for e-books 
> over paper books. I adore e-books, and right now they are enjoying their 
> moment in the sun as paper books are difficult to come by with the closure 
> of libraries, book stores, and the sloth shipping of stores that actually 
> are open for business. 
>
> My point is that in e-books, you can touch a word unfamiliar to you and a 
> dictionary definition will appear. I love this because when reading aloud 
> to my sons, they would inevitably ask “what does that mean?” Well, it’s 
> nice to have a succinct and proper definition instead of trying to come up 
> with words on the spot, and thus I became dependent on the dictionary 
> feature. The surprising thing to me, is how many words I have been defining 
> based on my understanding of the context, rather than the dictionary. See: 
> penultimate and nonplussed. I’ll give you two sentences, and you can look 
> them up in Merriam-Webster and see if you guessed right. 
>
> 1. Nonplussed: Leah was, in a word, nonplussed at Steve’s guesstimate of 
> her weight. (There will be two definitions; one that is correct and one 
> that is an “Americanism - accepted though wrong because enough people use 
> it in this way.  I mean it in the correct sense of the word. 藍藍藍 
>
> 2. Penultimate: The penultimate chapter of the book I’m reading is where 
> you’ll find the key to the plot. (Sorry, couldn’t come up with a clever 
> bike-related sentence for this one.) 
>
> Also - do we have Potter fans on the List? I read Hermione as Her-ME-Own. 
> Nope. It’s Her-MY-oh-nee. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On May 7, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Joe Bernard > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > "Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song 
> lyrics. It's so funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand 
> times and suddenly realize you've had it wrong for 40 years!" 
> > 
> > My thing is reading words wrong and never making the connection. The 
> other day I saw 'infrared' on the TV screen and realized it's...the word 
> you understand as infrared. I've always read is as in-FRAIRED even though I 
> know the word as correctly pronounced when I hear it. Which doesn't even 
> make sense! 
> > 
> > I probably shouldn't be admitting this incredibly stupid thing... 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[DHans]

Yes I am an e-book fan and have debated with others the merits. I can have a 
whole library in my hands, etc. some folks swear by paper though and that’s 
okay. Just Read. I read the Harry Potter series and thought they were awesome! 
I also highly recommend the Young James Bond series to any teen boy as I read 
it along with my teen son years ago. I think the author is Charlie Higson. So 
well written. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Nonplussed: Unbothered

Penultimate: The one just before last, i.e., "The driver is on the penultimate 
lap of the race, one more to go after this."

These are my guesses, Leah would figure me out in a hot second if I cheated. I 
don't know how she would know but she WOULD SO KNOW. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

Oh, yes, words. My favorite. This is where I put my plug in for e-books over 
paper books. I adore e-books, and right now they are enjoying their moment in 
the sun as paper books are difficult to come by with the closure of libraries, 
book stores, and the sloth shipping of stores that actually are open for 
business.

My point is that in e-books, you can touch a word unfamiliar to you and a 
dictionary definition will appear. I love this because when reading aloud to my 
sons, they would inevitably ask “what does that mean?” Well, it’s nice to have 
a succinct and proper definition instead of trying to come up with words on the 
spot, and thus I became dependent on the dictionary feature. The surprising 
thing to me, is how many words I have been defining based on my understanding 
of the context, rather than the dictionary. See: penultimate and nonplussed. 
I’ll give you two sentences, and you can look them up in Merriam-Webster and 
see if you guessed right.

1. Nonplussed: Leah was, in a word, nonplussed at Steve’s guesstimate of her 
weight. (There will be two definitions; one that is correct and one that is an 
“Americanism - accepted though wrong because enough people use it in this way. 
 I mean it in the correct sense of the word. 藍藍藍

2. Penultimate: The penultimate chapter of the book I’m reading is where you’ll 
find the key to the plot. (Sorry, couldn’t come up with a clever bike-related 
sentence for this one.)

Also - do we have Potter fans on the List? I read Hermione as Her-ME-Own. Nope. 
It’s Her-MY-oh-nee.


Sent from my iPad

> On May 7, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> "Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song lyrics. 
> It's so funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand times and 
> suddenly realize you've had it wrong for 40 years!"
> 
> My thing is reading words wrong and never making the connection. The other 
> day I saw 'infrared' on the TV screen and realized it's...the word you 
> understand as infrared. I've always read is as in-FRAIRED even though I know 
> the word as correctly pronounced when I hear it. Which doesn't even make 
> sense!
> 
> I probably shouldn't be admitting this incredibly stupid thing... 
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[aeroperf]

Joe:

We all do that.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

And of course, for those who were children attending religious 
instruction, who could forget Gladly the Cross-Eyed Bear?


On 5/7/20 4:11 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

"Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song lyrics. It's so 
funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand times and suddenly realize you've 
had it wrong for 40 years!"

My thing is reading words wrong and never making the connection. The other day 
I saw 'infrared' on the TV screen and realized it's...the word you understand 
as infrared. I've always read is as in-FRAIRED even though I know the word as 
correctly pronounced when I hear it. Which doesn't even make sense!

I probably shouldn't be admitting this incredibly stupid thing...


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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

"Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song lyrics. It's 
so funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand times and suddenly 
realize you've had it wrong for 40 years!"

My thing is reading words wrong and never making the connection. The other day 
I saw 'infrared' on the TV screen and realized it's...the word you understand 
as infrared. I've always read is as in-FRAIRED even though I know the word as 
correctly pronounced when I hear it. Which doesn't even make sense!

I probably shouldn't be admitting this incredibly stupid thing... 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[masmojo]

Leah, I remember you posting your weight somewhere else here (or was it an 
email?) Anywhose, I got a pretty good idea of your weight and an idea about 
your tires width. Based on that I would say that 30ish PSI is a good starting 
point. Slightly more rear, less front.  Once you get a good feel for riding at 
the proper pressure you'll know instinctively when it's off. Bike feel slower 
than normal? Needs more air. Rough an unforgiving? Let some out.

Most of the unfortunate things I've misunderstood have been song lyrics. It's 
so funny to be listening to a song you've heard a thousand times and suddenly 
realize you've had it wrong for 40 years! 

The other things I've got wrong? I'll take to the grave! LOL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Corwin]

I don't think I would trust the Silca tool. Put in my weight and my bike's 
weight - conservatively over estimating both. The tool gave me pressures of 
50 & 48psi for rear and front tires respectively.

At those pressures, I have experienced frequent pinch flats.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 7:22:25 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other testing 
> and put in a tool here:
>
> https://info.silca.cc/silca-professional-pressure-calculator
>
> Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a recommendation 
> that is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave 
> them my email for the pro version but the basic is good enough.
>
> -Dave J
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Eric Floden]

I seem to have a genius for installing things other than the way intended.
A few years ago I got a VO long-setback seat post mailed to me for my
Fargo/Brooks combination, and I managed to install it facing the wrong way.
(There were only two way to install it, I got the wrong one...) The saddle
did not adjust far enough to sit on comfortably (no kidding) and as it
turned out I needed my local shop (the now-gone Dizzy's) to attend to
another matter. The shop mechanic came out and very nicely, quietly, and
non-judgementally asked me something like:

" Excuse me, but are your umm, differently-abled in a way that required you
to install your seat this way? "

I admitted I was still fine-tuning the installation, and he offered to
speed up the process for me, by installing it properly. I blushed my thanks
to him and the story ended happily.

EricF
getting it right, eventually
Vancouver BC

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Scott Lutz]

Oh man, I have a lot of stories about self-teaching myself bicycle 
mechanics. A few years ago I found a NOS Panasonic lugged mountain bike 
frame. It didn't have a fork. I paid all of 40 bucks for it at a bike swap. 
I bought a chrome Tange fork with a 1" threaded steer tube and a cheap 
Tange headset. I installed the headset (something I had done plenty of 
times before), it felt off, but I built up the rest of the bike with spare 
parts anyway. I took it out for a spin and while the bike rode great, the 
headset was really tight if I spun it one way and it would loosen when I 
spun it the other way. I took the front end apart, re-installed it, and the 
same thing kept happening. If you have ever looked at the cheapest Tange 
headset installation instructions, they are photocopy quality and small. I 
new something was wrong but I had done everything correctly. I gave up on 
the project for the time being. 
Every once in a while that bike would look at me funny and I'd throw it 
in the stand and tear down the headset, look at the instructions, and put 
it back together. It never went together correctly. I figured it was a bad 
headset and planned on buying a new one some day. Well, someday I did and 
as I unpacked the new part from the box, I noted that the bottom bearing 
cage was reverse of how I had it installed on the other headset. I looked 
at the instructions again, this time like a magic eye poster, I could see 
it...there was a slightly darker line on the bottom indicating the the cage 
should be oriented up. I loosened the headset nut, flipped the bearing 
cage, put the fork back in, tightened it all up, and smooth as butter. 
I have had the same issue with IKEA instructions. I am not a visual 
learner.

On my very first good adult bike I installed a rear rack and fenders 
with the fender stays outside the rack struts. An elder kindly pointed out 
that there may be a better way. 

I used to think I had to wait until a patch on an tube was dry enough 
to pull the plastic cover off. I took forever to patch a tire. A kindly 
elder pointed out that there is no need to remove it, you just throw it in 
the tire and go. 

   The first wheel I ever built was terrible in so many ways. The worst 
part was this: I had a friend crashing in my pantry and he had some bike 
tools. He showed me how to lace a wheel and gave me general instructions on 
how to build it. "Get the spokes tight but don't strip the nipples." Okay, 
I grabbed the spoke wrench in his kit and got to work. At a certain point I 
could feel the spoke wrench starting to slip so I finished truing, 
stressing, repeat. Cool, done. The wheel would not stay true, were wobbly, 
flexy, and just awful. I kept throwing it in the stand and trying to fix 
it. It was only after some bike shop stalking that I noticed that there 
were different color spoke wrenches. I casually asked the shop keep what 
the difference was. Oh, of course, there are different sized spoke nipples. 
I had borrowed the red Park Tool wrench, I needed the black one. Yikes. 

   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

I’d have never read it - you’re absolved.

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> On May 6, 2020, at 7:39 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I hope Leah hasn't bounced off her bike from my terribly misinformed tire 
> pressure recs. I should have used a chart. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

I hope Leah hasn't bounced off her bike from my terribly misinformed tire 
pressure recs. I should have used a chart. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Dave Johnston]

The charts above and Jan's data has been combined with some other testing 
and put in a tool here:

https://info.silca.cc/silca-professional-pressure-calculator

Enter your bike weight and tire size and it will give you a recommendation 
that is a good start. add or subtract ~ 10% for a feel you like. I gave 
them my email for the pro version but the basic is good enough.

-Dave J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

❤️, Alex. You have made my day, too. Have the best one out there, preferably 
with your bear cubs on their tiny little bikes.

Sent from my iPad

> On May 6, 2020, at 5:02 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
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> 
> Leah threads are the best.  Now I’m turning off my phone so nothing can ruin 
> my day.
> 
> 邏
> 
> Alex 
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Leah threads are the best.  Now I’m turning off my phone so nothing can ruin my 
day.

邏

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[William deRosset]

Replying to myself: 

A correction: I thought "old us 11" was the Chef Menteur highway. It turns 
out that the correct road is US 90, not US 11.

A point of clarification: I get reminded that "I need to eat from time to 
time," not that "...[r]oadside foraging in Mississippi is as appetizing as 
it sounds."


Best Regards,

Will


On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 4:28:53 PM UTC-6, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Hi, All,
>
> Ok, I'll play.
>
> I was thirteen when I rode my first century. I lived in Slidell, Louisiana 
> at the time, and I rode to Biloxi, Mississippi along the coast. It was a 
> lovely ride on old US 11, and the first half of the ride went really 
> well--sun-kissed slabs of shell-aggregate concrete. You could say I was 
> sailing right along, all right, on my Huffy, spinning out those cranks. 
>
> I stopped for a Coke, exhausting my ride budget, refilled the bottle with 
> water from the tap, and turned around. There was an invisible hand pressing 
> on my chest. A whistling in my ears. A headwind all the way home. I took 
> under 3h for the first fifty miles, and I got back just before dark, 10h 
> after starting. 
>
> I also learned that I have to eat from time to time, and that I should 
> really bring money when I travel unless I plan to forage while riding. 
> Roadside foraging in Mississippi is as appetizing as it sounds. I get 
> reminded of this fact about annually, so this may well be something that I 
> should have learned, and forget too frequently.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>
>> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make 
>> myself look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>>
>> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, 
>> always, but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. 
>> I was born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom 
>> was more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
>> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
>> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
>> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
>> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
>> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
>> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
>> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>>
>> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
>> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
>> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
>> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
>> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
>> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
>> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
>> Walmart. 
>>
>> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
>> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
>> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
>> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
>> did it. 
>>
>> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
>> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
>> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
>> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
>> supple tires were the ticket. 
>>
>> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you 
>> “how much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began 
>> to pay attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
>> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
>> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
>> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
>> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
>> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
>> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
>> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>>
>> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
>> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
>> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>>
>> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>>
>> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
>> bike things. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[William deRosset]

Hi, All,

Ok, I'll play.

I was thirteen when I rode my first century. I lived in Slidell, Louisiana 
at the time, and I rode to Biloxi, Mississippi along the coast. It was a 
lovely ride on old US 11, and the first half of the ride went really 
well--sun-kissed slabs of shell-aggregate concrete. You could say I was 
sailing right along, all right, on my Huffy, spinning out those cranks. 

I stopped for a Coke, exhausting my ride budget, refilled the bottle with 
water from the tap, and turned around. There was an invisible hand pressing 
on my chest. A whistling in my ears. A headwind all the way home. I took 
under 3h for the first fifty miles, and I got back just before dark, 10h 
after starting. 

I also learned that I have to eat from time to time, and that I should 
really bring money when I travel unless I plan to forage while riding. 
Roadside foraging in Mississippi is as appetizing as it sounds. I get 
reminded of this fact about annually, so this may well be something that I 
should have learned, and forget too frequently.

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[George Schick]

I posted a reply to this thread, but it's stuck in moderator hell.  I have 
several Gmail accounts and I was logged in using an account that is not 
registered on this blog.  If it gets posted, it gets posted; if it don't, 
it don't. Groan.


On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 8:41:14 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I was so sure I knew how bottom brackets are threaded. I destroyed a couple 
tools trying to remove a 70mm Italian bottom bracket, which are not 
threaded the same as the more conventional 68mm bottom bracket. 

Regarding tire pressure, cornering on my bike starts to get vague when the 
front tire pressure gets down to 17 PSI, on 57mm tires with a bike + gear + 
rider weight around 205 lbs. At 19 PSI all is well. I use an accurate bleeder 
gauge  to 
measure pressure, since the gauge on my floor pump is at least 20-30% off, 
and worse at low pressure.

-Clark


On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:26:44 PM UTC-7, alfonsejr wrote:
>
> I'll play; I learned two things on one incident with square taper crank 
> removal. First thing is checking for a washer after removing a crank bolt 
> is a step whose importance should not be underestimated. Second thing is 
> when turning a bolt is ridiculously difficult, especially on a bike, you 
> should (nearly always) stop trying to turn the bolt. I stopped after crank 
> removal tool removed crank dust cap threads, caused by tool pressing on the 
> left-behind washer instead of bottom bracket axle. I remember seeing little 
> silver threads right before it became much easier to turn the crank removal 
> handle.
>
> I guess I learned a third lesson - how to use drill chuck wedges to remove 
> a stripped crank arm...
>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[alfonsejr]

I'll play; I learned two things on one incident with square taper crank 
removal. First thing is checking for a washer after removing a crank bolt 
is a step whose importance should not be underestimated. Second thing is 
when turning a bolt is ridiculously difficult, especially on a bike, you 
should (nearly always) stop trying to turn the bolt. I stopped after crank 
removal tool removed crank dust cap threads, caused by tool pressing on the 
left-behind washer instead of bottom bracket axle. I remember seeing little 
silver threads right before it became much easier to turn the crank removal 
handle.

I guess I learned a third lesson - how to use drill chuck wedges to remove 
a stripped crank arm...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Oh, wow, you guys have, um, charts and EVERYTHING...all we could ever know 
about tire pressure. Gosh. Ok, well, while folks are poring over those, I have 
another anecdote that I’m meanly providing on my parents’ behalf. So, if you 
meet them in reality, you’ll pretend I never told you.

In 2019 my parents flew to Vegas to join us for a spring break road trip from 
Vegas to Northern California. We hit great stuff on the way like the giant 
sequoias in the Kings/Sequoia National Parks and met Dad’s half sister 
(discovered on Ancestry DNA) and more. We really made a week out of it. I had 
carved out time for a visit to Rivendell HQ, and while we were there, my 
dearest wish was to get Dad sized for a Super Huge Clem. He’s 6’ 3.5”, and 
nobody makes a bike that big without a top tube he has to swing his leg over. 
I’ve watched him nearly tip over while mounting his bike at home several times. 
I figured a Clem L would be just the thing for him, and Clems would be arriving 
at Rivendell late summer in 59 and 64 cm. But while we were there, Mom fell in 
love with a “sea foam green” Cheviot, so she is the one who left with a bike 
that day.

This spring Mom called and announced it was time for her Cheviot to come out of 
storage and get its tires aired up. It’s Mom’s bike. Those are Mom’s tires. So, 
naturally it’s Dad’s responsibility to fill them. Anyway, as she was telling 
me, I realized that they had not filled Mom’s tires last year - the shop had 
done it during assembly, and I’d have done it when I was home visiting in July. 
Dad, whose mechanical prowess could be rivaled by my 3 year old niece’s 
ability, would see a presta valve and lose his cool. 

“Wait, Mom,” I said, “Dad won’t know how to fill your tire!”
“Pshhh, of course he will. He has an air compressor now.” 
“No, Mom, you guys have never filled those tires. You need a little adapter for 
that air compressor or else a floor pump with a presta valve port.” 
“Leah, it’s fine. He’ll know what to do.”

A short time later, I got a FaceTime call from Mom’s iPhone, but it was Dad’s 
angry face on the screen. He had just come in from hunting (joy, it’s turkey 
season!) and had discovered the presence of one presta valve on the tire. Dad 
and presta valves are natural enemies. Mom was standing expectantly in the 
background, assured that we would solve this for her. It’s not her problem!

“Why in the world would someone DO something like this?” my old man moaned. 
“That other kind works perfectly fine! We’ve got adaptors for those! Everyone 
has adaptors for those!”

I don’t think he said “cotton pickin’” but when someone up north says cotton 
pickin’ you know they mean business, and he was close. I had to show him how 
the presta valve worked, and he said they were going to town in a few days and 
would pick up a floor pump. 

That was a week or two ago and that Cheviot is still stranded in prison with 
two flat tires. As of 4 minutes ago, Mom insists that Dad is going to fill her 
tires when he gets back from the post office. I’m charging my iPhone so I’m 
ready for the FaceTime call I’ll be getting from Dad here shortly. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[John Rinker]

Related to this article from Bicycle Quarterly, I also have had this handy 
Gdoc floating around for a while on Tire Pressure Set-up 
.
 
I probably got it off this group some time back. Incidentally, I run my WTB 
Nanos at low pressures(f-20, r-25) for the trail/fire road riding I do 
around here. Comfy ride all round, but it may be the reason I'm alway 
coming home too late- too much drag. 

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 7:43:10 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> -- 
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/BQTireDrop.pdf
>
>
>
> On 5/5/20 10:28 AM, Leah Peterson wrote:
>
> See, I can already add another post to this list of Dumb Things I Did and 
> it hasn’t been 24 hours.  
>
> Yesterday, when I found out about tire pressure, you know I went around 
> with my floor pump and inflated ALL the tires of the bikes in the garage. 
> Baby Bear weighs almost 60 pounds and his Specialized 24 inch got 60 pounds 
> of air (fun!). #TheClemRider is about 85 pounds and got 55 pounds of air in 
> his 26 inch Kendas on his Clem. Won’t they be surprised when they head down 
> Killer Hill?! 
>
>
> And remember, it's not just the vibration.  Hit a pothole the wrong way on 
> a grossly over-inflated wide tire and it'll act just like a basketball when 
> you slam it down onto the pavement.   SPROING and it'll rebound back at 
> you.  You may be expecting a bump, but you probably won't be ready for the 
> bars pulling up out of your hands.
>
>
>
> Now, excuse me while I go fix THAT. It might be one thing for me and Steve 
> (since we weigh the same, you know) to inflate our tires to 55, but my kids 
> don’t know what I’ve done and did NOT in fact, grow up riding horses. Yikes.
>
>
>
>
> Just for scale.
>
>
>
> Ok, Steve, I’ll stop busting your chops. You had it coming though, and 
> also it was hilarious. 藍
>
> -- 
>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

"Well let's see, Leah has been riding her bike all this time just fine without 
intervention from any "educating" her how she "ought to" ride her bike, and 
that her experience "could be better" somehow "if" she'd only listen to the 
so-called "wisdom". Hah hah  all that totally ignores the fact that 
inherently Leah knows what she's doing and all is well, and that's that."

In my defense as a manly mansplainy mansplainer, Our Bicycle Belle ASKED me 
about tire pressure. And I gave her the exact right answer the rest of you are 
wrong I rest my case amen. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Zed Martinez]

>
> Just for the record and for clarification, and not at all to disagree: by 
> "bouncing" one can mean the ping pong ball sort of bouncing that comes from 
> excessively high pressure, where even small bumps cause the tire to hop, or 
> on the contrary, the bouncing that comes from pedaling on a tire so soft 
> that it sags with each pedal stroke.


Too right. Riding my bricks I tend to forget some tires get bouncy on the 
under inflated side, my experience once it gets too low is more like 
walking on sponges, as if the bike is somehow sinking into the road as I 
pedal. Which I suppose is like bouncing in reverse, in a way.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:33:20 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Just for the record and for clarification, and not at all to disagree: by 
> "bouncing" one can mean the ping pong ball sort of bouncing that comes from 
> excessively high pressure, where even small bumps cause the tire to hop, or 
> on the contrary, the bouncing that comes from pedaling on a tire so soft 
> that it sags with each pedal stroke.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:17 AM Zed Martinez  > wrote:
>
>> ... the optimum balance between 'feels slow' and 'starts bouncing' can 
>> deviate notably from Jan's calculation and the graph that Steve showed. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Garth]

Well let's see, Leah has been riding her bike all this time just fine 
without intervention from any "educating" her how she "ought to" ride her 
bike, and that her experience "could be better" somehow "if" she'd only 
listen to the so-called "wisdom". Hah hah  all that totally ignores the 
fact that inherently Leah knows what she's doing and all is well, and 
that's that.  

This, as I was about to go on about how I ride Big Bens at very low 
pressure and that she could also . then realizing how silly that is to 
imply Leah should change a thing, as if I have a clue what her experience 
is like ! Not !

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Just for the record and for clarification, and not at all to disagree: by
"bouncing" one can mean the ping pong ball sort of bouncing that comes from
excessively high pressure, where even small bumps cause the tire to hop, or
on the contrary, the bouncing that comes from pedaling on a tire so soft
that it sags with each pedal stroke.

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:17 AM Zed Martinez 
wrote:

> ... the optimum balance between 'feels slow' and 'starts bouncing' can
> deviate notably from Jan's calculation and the graph that Steve showed.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Patrick Moore]

I recall being very proud of my new, very chi-chi Grafton triple after I
installed it in place of the usual Deore (original) or XT triple I had been
using. The Shimanos required (IIRC) a 122-123 mm spindle, so I stuck the
Grafton on that. Then I noticed that it would not shift properly to the
granny ring even with the inner stop backed all the way out. Infuriating.
So I took it to a bike shop. I still remember the withering look the young
shop rat gave me when he told me I had the wrong spindle. It had never
occurred to me that different cranks required different spindles -- and I'd
ridden quite a few builds with mismatched spindles and cranks, I guess, by
that time.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Zed Martinez]

In the real spirit of the thread, tires aside, my things I should have 
known was hubris management. After my first few bike builds I went into my 
original Clem pretty overconfident in myself, and I probably could've saved 
a couple of years of frustration and failed adjustments if I'd been less 
full of myself at the beginning and noticed more things like 'huh, the 
saddle keeps slipping down,' and more willing to just get a fitting once I 
got lost in the woods to give me a sanity check.

it was ultimately an expensive lesson, but, having learned it maybe the 
hardest way I could've set up for myself, it's one likely to stay with me. 
These days I remember there's somehow always a gap between feeling like one 
knows a lot, and actually knowing enough, and if I start by assuming I 
don't know enough it always goes better in the end than the reverse.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:17:31 AM UTC-4, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> I'm with Patrick on the tire mattering a lot. I ride more the 
> utility/brick side of tires than he does (and consequently have developed a 
> habit of leaning towards higher inflations rather than lower), and the 
> optimum balance between 'feels slow' and 'starts bouncing' can deviate 
> notably from Jan's calculation and the graph that Steve showed. Curiously, 
> I keep all three of my bikes between 45-60 PSI (45-50 front, 60-ish rear). 
> Except they're all three different total (bike+me+stuff) weights, tire 
> widths, and tire types. My 3-spd roadster with its 35mm Delta Cruisers 
> works out a a bit low per the formula but I like the comfort more over the 
> speed at that inflation on that bike, inflated per the suggestion I think I 
> can feel every pebble bounce me. My road-ish Centurion 650b conversion with 
> its 38mm Soma New Xpress tires is a bit high but not by a lot. The real 
> outlier is my Clem with its 50mm Schwalbe Mondials, which are drastically 
> higher inflated at 45/60 than the formula would suggest, but any lower than 
> that and I can actually feel the increased rolling resistance over my seven 
> mile commute. Like I left my brake on, or about the same feeling as using 
> my bottle dynamo on the 3-spd. It's notable. If I tried to ride those down 
> as low as 30-40PSI like suggested I'd feel like I was stuck in the mud. At 
> 60 front and 70 rear they start getting that 'baseball' bouncy effect.
>
> I always start with the formula's suggestion and then try 5-10 PSI over 
> and 5-10 PSI under and tweak where I actually leave it for any given tire 
> based on where it felt slugglish and where it felt bouncey.
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:48:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Wait: Leah weighs *less* than 170? Boy Steve, you blew that one.
>>
>> Back to tire pressure: I recall how as a boy I first saw "Inflate to 70 
>> psi" on the side of my cheap 27 X 1.25" gumwalls, and after pumping them to 
>> more or less that (probably per gas station gauge), how fast the bike felt, 
>> and nope, it wasn't due to vibations, which has *never* been an 
>> indicator of speed for me; it's always been ease, or perceived ease of 
>> pedaling, along with a feeling of smoothness; ie bikes feel faster on 
>> smooth roads than bumpy ones, all else equal.
>>
>> But the question of pressure relates to tire quality too. Cheap tires 
>> really do go, or at least feel, faster when hard -- try riding a $15 
>> Walmart 2" knobby at 35 psi! Pump it to 50 and it's much better. OTOH, I've 
>> let really supple tires deflate potentially disastrous levels -- 
>> 30-something psi on a 28 mm Elk Pass (I do weigh 50 lb less than 220) -- 
>> and didn't notice that they were low until I started bouncing in the 
>> saddle. Once I got a rear puncture and didn't notice it until someone 
>> behind me noticed the flat profile and said, "Puncture!" She then asked, 
>> "Didn't you notice it?" -- very surprised that such sagging hadn't caused 
>> massive drag. But not, the Elk Pass feels normally fast even at pressures 
>> way below appropriate.
>>
>> With the Big Ones, just as supple, I've not noticed mid-teens in the back 
>> until sidewall flop in a corner almost causes me to wipe out.
>>
>> So there is a huge difference in the effect of air pressure on rolling 
>> resistance when comparing top quality and cheap quality tires.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Zed Martinez]

I'm with Patrick on the tire mattering a lot. I ride more the utility/brick 
side of tires than he does (and consequently have developed a habit of 
leaning towards higher inflations rather than lower), and the optimum 
balance between 'feels slow' and 'starts bouncing' can deviate notably from 
Jan's calculation and the graph that Steve showed. Curiously, I keep all 
three of my bikes between 45-60 PSI (45-50 front, 60-ish rear). Except 
they're all three different total (bike+me+stuff) weights, tire widths, and 
tire types. My 3-spd roadster with its 35mm Delta Cruisers works out a a 
bit low per the formula but I like the comfort more over the speed at that 
inflation on that bike, inflated per the suggestion I think I can feel 
every pebble bounce me. My road-ish Centurion 650b conversion with its 38mm 
Soma New Xpress tires is a bit high but not by a lot. The real outlier is 
my Clem with its 50mm Schwalbe Mondials, which are drastically higher 
inflated at 45/60 than the formula would suggest, but any lower than that 
and I can actually feel the increased rolling resistance over my seven mile 
commute. Like I left my brake on, or about the same feeling as using my 
bottle dynamo on the 3-spd. It's notable. If I tried to ride those down as 
low as 30-40PSI like suggested I'd feel like I was stuck in the mud. At 60 
front and 70 rear they start getting that 'baseball' bouncy effect.

I always start with the formula's suggestion and then try 5-10 PSI over and 
5-10 PSI under and tweak where I actually leave it for any given tire based 
on where it felt slugglish and where it felt bouncey.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:48:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Wait: Leah weighs *less* than 170? Boy Steve, you blew that one.
>
> Back to tire pressure: I recall how as a boy I first saw "Inflate to 70 
> psi" on the side of my cheap 27 X 1.25" gumwalls, and after pumping them to 
> more or less that (probably per gas station gauge), how fast the bike felt, 
> and nope, it wasn't due to vibations, which has *never* been an indicator 
> of speed for me; it's always been ease, or perceived ease of pedaling, 
> along with a feeling of smoothness; ie bikes feel faster on smooth roads 
> than bumpy ones, all else equal.
>
> But the question of pressure relates to tire quality too. Cheap tires 
> really do go, or at least feel, faster when hard -- try riding a $15 
> Walmart 2" knobby at 35 psi! Pump it to 50 and it's much better. OTOH, I've 
> let really supple tires deflate potentially disastrous levels -- 
> 30-something psi on a 28 mm Elk Pass (I do weigh 50 lb less than 220) -- 
> and didn't notice that they were low until I started bouncing in the 
> saddle. Once I got a rear puncture and didn't notice it until someone 
> behind me noticed the flat profile and said, "Puncture!" She then asked, 
> "Didn't you notice it?" -- very surprised that such sagging hadn't caused 
> massive drag. But not, the Elk Pass feels normally fast even at pressures 
> way below appropriate.
>
> With the Big Ones, just as supple, I've not noticed mid-teens in the back 
> until sidewall flop in a corner almost causes me to wipe out.
>
> So there is a huge difference in the effect of air pressure on rolling 
> resistance when comparing top quality and cheap quality tires.
>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[aeroperf]

I got a Schwinn when I was six.  We lived in a lovely town in northern New 
Jersey that was about 4x5 miles big.  I rode that bike all over that town.  
Thousands of miles.
When I was 14, I rode to a neighboring town which had a bike shop because I 
actually needed a new chain.
As I pulled up, the guy working there said “Have you considered raising the 
seat?”.  My response - “You can raise a bicycle seat?”  My first lesson in 
bicycle fit.

So now whenever I see folks pedaling on the Comet with their knees up into 
their chins, I think of that.  I don’t say it out loud, unless I know the 
person, but I think of it.

Pressure - With my bike I’m 220 pounds and I run 60 psi on 42mm tires.  
Just thought I’d throw that out to whomever is making up a spreadsheet of 
these pressures (and I know you’re out there).


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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Wait: Leah weighs *less* than 170? Boy Steve, you blew that one.

Back to tire pressure: I recall how as a boy I first saw "Inflate to 70
psi" on the side of my cheap 27 X 1.25" gumwalls, and after pumping them to
more or less that (probably per gas station gauge), how fast the bike felt,
and nope, it wasn't due to vibations, which has *never* been an indicator
of speed for me; it's always been ease, or perceived ease of pedaling,
along with a feeling of smoothness; ie bikes feel faster on smooth roads
than bumpy ones, all else equal.

But the question of pressure relates to tire quality too. Cheap tires
really do go, or at least feel, faster when hard -- try riding a $15
Walmart 2" knobby at 35 psi! Pump it to 50 and it's much better. OTOH, I've
let really supple tires deflate potentially disastrous levels --
30-something psi on a 28 mm Elk Pass (I do weigh 50 lb less than 220) --
and didn't notice that they were low until I started bouncing in the
saddle. Once I got a rear puncture and didn't notice it until someone
behind me noticed the flat profile and said, "Puncture!" She then asked,
"Didn't you notice it?" -- very surprised that such sagging hadn't caused
massive drag. But not, the Elk Pass feels normally fast even at pressures
way below appropriate.

With the Big Ones, just as supple, I've not noticed mid-teens in the back
until sidewall flop in a corner almost causes me to wipe out.

So there is a huge difference in the effect of air pressure on rolling
resistance when comparing top quality and cheap quality tires.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

See, I can already add another post to this list of Dumb Things I Did and it 
hasn’t been 24 hours. 

Yesterday, when I found out about tire pressure, you know I went around with my 
floor pump and inflated ALL the tires of the bikes in the garage. Baby Bear 
weighs almost 60 pounds and his Specialized 24 inch got 60 pounds of air 
(fun!). #TheClemRider is about 85 pounds and got 55 pounds of air in his 26 
inch Kendas on his Clem. Won’t they be surprised when they head down Killer 
Hill?! 

Now, excuse me while I go fix THAT. It might be one thing for me and Steve 
(since we weigh the same, you know) to inflate our tires to 55, but my kids 
don’t know what I’ve done and did NOT in fact, grow up riding horses. Yikes.

Ok, Steve, I’ll stop busting your chops. You had it coming though, and also it 
was hilarious. 藍

Evan -  It’s ok; it probably works better that way. 

Doug - thank you! And I agree with Rob; that mechanic was impressed with you. 
It’s pretty hard to be mad at a kid who was trying to learn. Also your dad 
seems like a stand-up guy; I think my dad would have declared the bike a total 
loss and tossed the pieces in the trash.

Steve Cole - tell the mechanics you want a discount because you already started 
the work for them. 來

You guys are good sports,
Leah

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> On May 5, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> 50 - 55 mm is a HUGELY WIDE tire.  10mm wider than a 42mm.  If someone who is 
> MASSIVELY heavier can ride a 42mm tire inflated to 50-55 psi in comfort, 
> never getting pinch flats, there is simply no way no how that that same 
> pressure in a tire 1 cm wider and a rider who is DRAMATICALLY lighter will be 
> OK.  
> 
>> On 5/4/20 11:11 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Well I'm going to disagree to a degree. For the mostly smooth terrain Leah 
>> rides and the Killer Hill™ she climbs to get home, I can't see 30-40 psi 
>> being anything but drag for her. She can certainly experiment with pressures 
>> and 55 may be a bit much, but she's not riding terrible roads and dirt. 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

50 - 55 mm is a HUGELY WIDE tire.  10mm wider than a 42mm.  If someone 
who is MASSIVELY heavier can ride a 42mm tire inflated to 50-55 psi in 
comfort, never getting pinch flats, there is simply no way no how that 
that same pressure in a tire 1 cm wider and a rider who is DRAMATICALLY 
lighter will be OK.


On 5/4/20 11:11 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Well I'm going to disagree to a degree. For the mostly smooth terrain Leah 
rides and the Killer Hill™ she climbs to get home, I can't see 30-40 psi being 
anything but drag for her. She can certainly experiment with pressures and 55 
may be a bit much, but she's not riding terrible roads and dirt.


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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Rob Kristoff]

Doug,
You know that mechanic was probably impressed you at least got it apart!

Rob

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Cole]

Leah,

Thanks for starting this thread and the many others you have begun.  They 
are one of the reasons I visit this site daily.

The one thing I should have known but did not -- and it's really an entire 
category -- is that I really shouldn't work on my own bike.  While I think 
am mechanically inclined, I've never trained as a bike mechanic -- 
professional or amateur.  The number of times I have started to "fix" 
something on one of my bikes is too many to count.  All too often, after 
realizing I have not fully succeeded and my bike is not rideable, I haul it 
to my LBS where, in addition to addressing the original problem, they also 
need to undo my bad work and make what I've done wrong right.  

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA



On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 9:41:14 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[DHans]

Leah,
That was such a fun read! Made me laugh sitting here at my office computer. 
My dad was mechanically inclined but for bike stuff I was on my own! I 
rarely pumped up the tires (that's what we called it) on my really 
expensive Mongoose BMX bike. Mongoose was once upon a time a really good 
brand...we paid (my parents paid) $212 dollars for it in 1980. That was a 
lot of money that they really didn't have, bless them.

I once took a bike apart to see how it was made and could not re-assemble 
it. My dad and I took it to the LBS to have them do it. That was a humbling 
experience as the guy at the LBS looked at me with amusement as I glanced 
at he and my dad while I looked at the rad GT BMX bikes. Ugh. Humility is 
not fun to learn but great to have.
Thanks for the topic,
Doug


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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Well I'm going to disagree to a degree. For the mostly smooth terrain Leah 
rides and the Killer Hill™ she climbs to get home, I can't see 30-40 psi being 
anything but drag for her. She can certainly experiment with pressures and 55 
may be a bit much, but she's not riding terrible roads and dirt. 

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah, you may not be as far off with your finger test as you think (yes, 
your understanding of supple tire was off). The weight of the rider plays a 
big part. My daughters on their 2.1" tires run 20-30 psi just fine. Me, the 
200 lb ogre, need 35-40 psi. So, to Steve's point, you don't want to run 
50-55mm tires much above 30-40 psi if you want a good ride. As long as 
you're not bouncing with every pedal stroke or pinch flatting on rocks, 
roots, or curbs, you can run tires pretty low just fine.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
>

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