Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

think of course, but why give ammunition to the budget cutters? -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

at the catalog whether anything looks as if it may be suitable and hope you don't find anything(!). Otherwise just assign the collective uniform title and go on to the next item. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook

Re: [RDA-L] Some more examples of qualified conventional collective titles

://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/25-10-works-in-a-single-form since this would mean that the original German title was adequate. This seemed to me to be what you were suggesting in your post. As I pointed out, it is really a lot of work for, as I see it, little gain. -- James Weinheimer

Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9

it, but that would take complete reconsideration from the user's point of view--something I don't see happening very soon. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative

Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9

of changes in how the data could be presented, and many others have too. All of this explains why I think there needs a complete reconsideration *from the user's point of view* before anybody will begin to see any real differences. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

to learn if sufficient evidence warrants it. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ Cataloging Matters

Re: [RDA-L] FRBR

be highly irresponsible for a library to assume that such vital information would forever be in the public domain. That must be ensured legally by all means available. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

On 12/6/2013 11:12 PM, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: To be fair, the original version of FRBR came out before (or at least not long afterward) the huge abandonment by the public of our OPACs. Google had barely even begun to exist when FRBR appeared. Still, there could have

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ Cataloging Matters Podcasts http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p

Re: [RDA-L] Access to the knowledge of cataloging

in the statement of responsibility. Very strange when there is so much that could be done that could make a real difference to the public. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus

[RDA-L] The Future of Search

Search http://blog.jweinheimer.net/2010/12/cataloging-matters-podcast-no-7-search.html -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

with RDA however they can. Not everybody is able to squirrel money away and many are stretched as thin as they can now. You just cannot get away from making the business case, sooner or later. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

be expected to lay out a good case and not just proclaim: You have no choice--or as was stated by some others, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItHcsIHshhs -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

(that we don't discuss). -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ Cataloging Matters Podcasts http

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Toolkit Price Change

, terrible legacy data to update the relators and relationships, *that* is when libraries will see the major costs. And I am sure there will be other sundry costs thrown in along the way. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus

Re: [RDA-L] Qualifying access points

, but not something the *public* likes. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ Cataloging Matters Podcasts http

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 6.2.2.10

, the rule should not be applied. These rules probably explain much of the assignment of collection uniform titles. Assign at first instance, and there can be different opinions concerning whether a title is adequate. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http

Re: [RDA-L] Names found in a non-preferred script (8.4 vs. 9.2.2.5.3 and 11.2.2.12)

simple now (and that is an amazing fact!), but the real problem will be practical: how can we take this huge amount of content and make something coherent and comprehensible for people who will refuse to spend 20 hours in a searching workshop? That's a challenge. -- James Weinheimer

[RDA-L] Linked Data and the US government shutdown

into some of the realities of linked data that we all know can and will happen (again). -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site

Re: [RDA-L] Dagger symbol

is as useful/useless as adding all of the alphabet soup after the author's name, Ph.D, M.Sc etc. If there is a variation in that alphabet soup, does it follow that there is variation in the actual text? Probably not. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http

Re: [RDA-L] Composite identities/pseudonyms in RDA?

to think about saving catalogers from additional work, instead of adding more and more to their burdens. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ First Thus Facebook Page https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus Cooperative Cataloging Rules http

Re: [RDA-L] RDA in China

be interesting to note that in the last year, I have seen a huge increase in the number of viewers of my blog who come from China. Lately, they have been no. 2 to the US, edging out the UK. So, it looks as if people are at least looking for alternative views of RDA. -- James Weinheimer

Re: [RDA-L] Difference between Introduction and Preface

libraries that are already strapped. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters

Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA

can pretend that nothing has changed since Panizzi's days; that what he and the other greats of the 19th century spoke of are immutable and forever. But don't be surprised if libraries end up totally forgotten and remembered as curious remnants of times past. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji

Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA

that perhaps librarianship may be destined for extinction. We must free our minds from these pre-conceptions! It makes me very sad, but it may be. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com

Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA

accept the tired, old mantra of user needs. Unfortunately, RDA is just one more set of cataloging rules that people will not follow. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus

Re: [RDA-L] ] The A in RDA

will they be and how much will they charge? I think that's a pretty important issue to settle. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

[RDA-L] The A in RDA

in people's minds out there? -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters

Re: [RDA-L] approzimately in access points

. was changed to approximately, did I understand what the heading was supposed to say. But that was only because I know the AACR2 heading. The new heading is incoherent. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https

Re: [RDA-L] 264 dates

. It could even help iron-out problems with that evil, old legacy data. Use the power of the tools that are now at our fingertips! There is so much more that could be done and could make everyone's job easier! -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http

Re: [RDA-L] Size of PDF files

. $a is A general type of data content encoded in a computer file. $b is A schema, standard, etc., used to encode the digital content of a resource. So I also do not understand what $a means. It looks as if in the example, $a and $b are contradictory. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First

Re: [RDA-L] Authorized Version (6.23.2.9.2)

://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/bible/bibltoc.html Page about versions of the Bible: http://library.princeton.edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/bible/versions.html -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

records and thinking about them in that way is fine in my opinion, because that is what everyone will continue to experience. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus

Re: [RDA-L] Recording alternate content and physical forms -- Bibframe

project and it should have been done long before RDA was ever begun, to be honest, it is still not completely clear to me who BIBFRAME is aimed at. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com

Re: [RDA-L] 336, 337, 338 and the post-MARC environment

for librarians to help them manage the collection efficiently. To summarize my thoughts: who are the 336/7/8 fields designed to serve? If it's the public, those codes must rendered in ways that are understandable to them. Otherwise, they are as useful as the first indicator of the 245. -- *James Weinheimer

Re: [RDA-L] 336, 337, 338 and the post-MARC environment

by with it but those days are gone. They are as dead as those beautiful medieval cloisters that I love to visit. It is another world today. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus *Cooperative

Re: [RDA-L] 336, 337, 338 and the post-MARC environment

the Pandora's box and evaluate actual utility for users. And yes, users includes catalogers and other library collection managers. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *First Thus Facebook Page* https://www.facebook.com/FirstThus *Cooperative

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term for as told to (RDA-L(#2013-110)

within it, otherwise too much variation makes it too difficult either to search or comprehend, thereby making the relator codes an academic exercise. But it is an additional task and indeed can be difficult. Sooner or later, people will have to decide whether it is worth it or not. -- *James

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters no. 19: Library Catalogs and Information Architecture

Apologies for cross-posting. I would like to announce a new episode of Cataloging Matters: Cataloging Matters no. 19: Library Catalogs and Information Architecture Please share this with anyone who you believe may be interested. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus

Re: [RDA-L] a rather than t for ETD

. But catalogers spending their time trying to figure out whether a date has to do with real publication would not seem to help anyone find or identify anything. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and the Title Proper

to see everything. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters-podcasts.html

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

, no web developer will be able to make heads or tails out of it. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

it was, but that is a completely different topic. Adding the FRBR relationships (director, editor, sequel, and so on) is fraught with it own problems, but I have already discussed that at length. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

that BIBFRAME may even drop something out of this mystical union) is only holding on to a theory that some, but not all, consider to be beautiful. Sooner or later though, the public will speak. And it will be interesting to discover what they have to say. Even if we hear complete silence. -- *James

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

. If an item comes out in only a single edition (or manifestation), there is no need for a 240. Naturally, this practice may be going overboard with RDA and FRBR since now everything supposedly has work, expression, manifestation and item qualities. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters Podcast no. 17: Catalog Records as Data

Apologies for cross-posting. This is to announce a new Cataloging Matters Podcast that I just put up. Please share this with others you feel may be interested. http://blog.jweinheimer.net/2013/01/cataloging-matters-no-17-catalog.html -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus

Re: [RDA-L] When will RDA truly arrive? Will it truly arrive?

://scientificcuriosity.blogspot.com/2006/12/why-we-should-always-question.html. Click on the cartoon. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http

Re: [RDA-L] Title proper vs. other title information ...

that the subtitle was unimportant information and could be dropped. I can only conclude that it has been made optional because of the BISG guideline, which is aimed at secretaries and not for catalogers or libraries. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http

[RDA-L] The purpose of standards

On 12/21/2012 09:52 PM, Deborah Fritz wrote: snip At the risk of sounding even more obsessive-compulsive than Bob, I offer you this. /snip and On 12/21/2012 05:29 PM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote:Here's a postscript to the discussion (for those of you who still care): snip Here's a postscript

Re: [RDA-L] Rule minutiae

merely to our own aesthetic sensibilities. Otherwise we are creating ...an encyclopedic work of pedantic distinctions and specific directions for every possible vagary -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designators in one list

, Lamb's Tales from Shakespeare, would Charles Lamb be story teller? Naturally, there is no doubt that all this will lead to better cataloging. !! -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

[RDA-L] Descriptive Cataloging

if that will happen. Too many resources--and hopes--are going toward RDA and linked data. -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ Cataloging Matters Podcasts http

Re: [RDA-L] I'm taillights

Mike, Even though you worked for the dark side, I think everyone forgave you. Your knowledge and experience will be missed! http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie-en-43a2ff9214836fbeb0fa285074f5a5bf.html Jim -- James Weinheimer weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com First Thus http

Re: [RDA-L] Title page vs. cover title

play a much bigger part on the front cover than on the title page - so the version on the t.p. can perhaps be seen as the one more appropriate for the aims of a catalogue. But I think James Weinheimer has a point when he says that our patrons may have different feelings about what is the most

Re: [RDA-L] First issue vs. latest issue

This is a provocative discussion. I agree with what you say, but I would like to make the following observation On 26/10/2012 22:30, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: It occurs to me that we have the concept of *the* title of an item but as we see here

Re: [RDA-L] First issue vs. latest issue

something like Thomas Hyde's name headings: Title: Title B, or Title C, or Title D (in any order the library chooses) Just sharing some thoughts. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

Re: [RDA-L] First issue vs. latest issue

of view on that. Today, *in theory*, (I emphasize in theory) it would be possible to generate latest entry records from the 780/785 information. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

Re: [RDA-L] First issue vs. latest issue

On 25/10/2012 10:58, Heidrun Wiesenmüller wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: A question: When a serial has title changes A to B to C to D (D is the latest title) and a library has only A and B, what does a library do now? Firstly, bear in mind that of course we also have split entries, so

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

called sustainability. Unfortunately, there is no indication that RDA can provide any of that. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

as you have an appropriate system, the facets work today. You do not have to build them by hand. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters

Re: [RDA-L] [ACAT] Main entry in RDA

. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters-podcasts.html

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

to be made is something *simple* because if what catalogers make is too complicated, no web master will ever be able to implement it. (I also wonder if regular catalogers can either) His advice makes perfect sense to me. RDA is *anything but* simple. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

, e.g. Moscow (Russia)--History but Art--Russia (Federation)--Moscow. I don't know what this means for the 370, but it's probably confusing too. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

[RDA-L] Title entries (Was: Editor as main entry)

... -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters-podcasts.html

Re: [RDA-L] Title entries (Was: Editor as main entry)

On 09/10/2012 16:02, Paradis Daniel wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: Still, there is no reason for a single 1xx field any longer. Too bad that wasn't dropped instead of the rule of three... RDA is not concerned with encoding but rule 6.27.1.3 does give the alternative to Include

Re: [RDA-L] Editor as main entry

of access to the public. Mac and I have differed on this a number of times. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

different dimensions. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters-podcasts.html

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

On 26/09/2012 14:35, Brenndorfer, Thomas wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: I consider that *if* the rules were coded correctly (DocBook for example), stylesheets could merge them as you wished. So in theory, a cataloger who happened to be working on a video of an Arabic scholar discussing

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

On 24/09/2012 22:19, Kevin M Randall wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: In turn, I hope this helps you understand the importance of consistency in library catalogs and that to break that consistency has consequences, some of which may be difficult to foresee even for catalogers. We must also

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

may claim that it is a sad, necessary step toward the radiant heights of FRBR, but the immediate effects, lasting into an unknown number of years, will be less access. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

and the subjects? And to improve user interfaces for the faceted catalogs and we could declare victory on the FRBR user tasks? -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

be achieved for basic interoperability and we could--in theory--work together with a certain amount of freedom. What would that mean in reality? I don't know, but it seems as if it would be a promising road to try. RDA is not the only choice to move forward! There are many options. -- *James Weinheimer

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

to be concerned about it? -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

? -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters-podcasts.html

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

or cataloging departments in the real world. It lives for itself. These are some of the readily foreseeable consequences of working without a valid business plan. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

of places where the catalog could be improved without changing a single cataloging rule. But I have stated these enough times already. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

On 21/09/2012 18:28, Karen Coyle wrote: snip On 9/21/12 1:13 AM, James Weinheimer wrote: This is very interesting, but how will it work in the real world? Let's assume that this has all been done with an acceptable percentage of the records: 60%? 70%? 80%? You are working as a reference

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

that there will very definitely be consequences to human beings and to the library profession as well. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

think I am unique, and perhaps others can learn from my misperceptions. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

of RDA as the project of no business case. There is a huge amount developers can do with our records right now, *today* without turning our catalogs into legacy data as RDA seems to intend, at such great cost. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

All, For those who are interested, I have just made a new Catalog Matters podcast. This one is number 16 about Consistency, Catalogs and the Future. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

Re: [RDA-L] JSC, ISBD, and ISSN: harmonization discussions

/journals.htm?articleid=1668881show=pdf -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters

Re: [RDA-L] JSC, ISBD, and ISSN: harmonization discussions

On 23/08/2012 22:55, Karen Coyle wrote: snip On 8/23/12 10:43 AM, James Weinheimer wrote: Still the basic idea still is worth a try (I think), where embedded metadata would be linked to separate metadata records in catalogs and spiders would keep the two in sync. I believe the technology

Re: [RDA-L] JSC, ISBD, and ISSN: harmonization discussions

, and surprisingly, I find that I still agree with it http://www.dlib.org/dlib/march01/03letters.html -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

, they were trying to reduce the use of flourished dates. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p

Re: [RDA-L] AACR2 records in OCLC

have the biggest consequences for the public. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging

[RDA-L] Reality Check: What is it that the Public Wants today?

it is available. The paper is a bit more complete than the audio since I had to hurry through parts of the presentation. Please share this announcement with any others who may be interested. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative

Re: [RDA-L] Work manifested in new RDA examples

that. And that's OK but so long as we maintain such an attitude, we voluntarily limit our possibilities when compared to those who are not constrained by such presuppositions. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules

Re: [RDA-L] Work manifested in new RDA examples

On 07/06/2012 18:38, Stephen Early wrote: snip James Weinheimer wrote: snip Find is morphing into something that is really entirely new and never seen before. *And with the resources themselves that get more mashed up and vivisected both manually and automatically, it's increasingly

Re: [RDA-L] Work manifested in new RDA examples

. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters-podcasts.html

Re: [RDA-L] Mini Tutorial: Keeping order in RDF and ISO Common Logic/IKL (was Re: [RDA-L] Work manifested in new RDA examples)

exist, that might be another factor but I have heard of nothing like this. It would be a tremendous waste of money to do so anyway when so much needs to be done. I believe we are in a very delicate time right now. Libraries should be very careful to avoid setting themselves up for failure. -- *James

Re: [RDA-L] Work manifested in new RDA examples

+%22lc%22stylesheet=/viaf/xsl/results.xslsortKeys=holdingscountmaximumRecords=100 -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http

Re: [RDA-L] Work manifested in new RDA examples

In ONIX, there is SequenceNumber within the Contributor tag. See: http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%203/ONIX_for_Books_Release3-0_docs+codes_Issue_17.zip, open zip file, open the pdf file, and it is on p. 70. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http

[RDA-L]

more and more tired and antiquated by the minute. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p

Re: [RDA-L] Are RDA, MARC data, and Bibliographic concepts compatible with Relational database principles or systems? (Was: Re: [RDA-L] RDA, DBMS and RDF)

--is taking a lot for granted. What I personally believe is that WEMI is more of a remnant of the print/physical world and has little to do with most digital information. Not that most members of the public wanted WEMI anyway. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http

Re: [RDA-L] Part 2: Efficiency of DBMS operations Re: [RDA-L] [BIBFRAME] RDA, DBMS and RDF

or are they actually going in some other direction. On a more positive note, I think there are incredible opportunities for libraries and librarians today. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http

Re: [RDA-L] Part 2: Efficiency of DBMS operations Re: [RDA-L] [BIBFRAME] RDA, DBMS and RDF

found nowhere else, as I tried to show in the posting I mentioned in my previous message. But really, how the subject headings function must be reconsidered from their foundations, otherwise they really are obsolete. The dictionary catalog really is dead, at least as concerns the public. -- *James

Re: [RDA-L] Part 2: Efficiency of DBMS operations Re: [RDA-L] [BIBFRAME] RDA, DBMS and RDF

. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters-podcasts.html

Re: [RDA-L] RDA, DBMS and RDF

, which is the major road we need to take. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging

[RDA-L] Cataloging Matters Podcast no. 15: Cataloging Interfaces

and all who may be interested. -- *James Weinheimer* weinheimer.ji...@gmail.com *First Thus* http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/ *Cooperative Cataloging Rules* http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ *Cataloging Matters Podcasts* http://blog.jweinheimer.net/p/cataloging-matters

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