[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cleaning of duplexers...pt 2

2007-09-03 Thread crackedofn0de
A can of decent contact cleaner spray sells for about $20-30 around here. I've noticed that a lot of the cheaper sprays just sort of ooze from the can... I've heard tales of the T1500 filters developing noise problems a few years between cleanings, so I made sure to polish/clean mine up well

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
The equation is for characteristic impedance which means a line of infinite length or one that is terminated with a resistive load equalling the impedance of the transmission line. An interesting note, twisted pair telco lines are about 600 ohms at baseband levels but are 120 ohms at DSL

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000 R1 Audio Squelch

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
So after reading the writeup about how the R1 audio squelch works I discovered that it, like the micor, adjusts the COR dropout time depending on the received signal strength... I think I read that it adds 150 ms for weak signals. I don't have any good documentation (other than schematics) on how

Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224 Survival in Florida

2007-09-03 Thread Ron Wright
Paul, I like DB antennas also. Their duplexers are also excellent. Excellent company. I do like the DB224, and other exposed dipole antennas, for it performs very well (the specs are real) and is flexible...one can adjust the pattern for what one needs. Mine has its main lobe at 135 deg

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB224 Survival in Florida

2007-09-03 Thread Paul R. Dumdie Jr
Ron, You may want to also look at the COMPROD line of antennas. They are built like a tank and survive in mountin top locations. A few repeater groups here in the Chicago area are using them. COMPROD makes 1,2, and 4 loop antennas with spacing options. You can get 1/4 3/8 and 1/2 wave spacong

[Repeater-Builder] GE Master III UHF programming software

2007-09-03 Thread dakaratcaptivereefing
Can someone point me in the direction of a copy of MastrUtl? Pretty sure that the software needed to program a GE Master III (UHF), at least that's what LBI-38540x calls for... Thanks, Dave N0TRQ

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Ron Wright
From: Gary Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/09/02 Sun PM 09:07:18 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers Isn’t it interesting to note thatthe impedance goes UP at low frequencies

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Ron Wright
This could be correct in that say a 50 Ohm coax at 10 MHz would be say 120 Ohms at 100 kHz or 90 Ohms at 50 kHz...freq dependent. There is still L and C. However, this would have to be for a specific design or application. It would affect wideband stuff like video and it does. I guess one

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Ron Wright
Gary, I gave the reason for the statement...measured with HP piece of test equipment. Was quick and to the point. I did not think I had to dig into my libary and dig out the equations. Same with stating an SWR...thought most would take a reading from a meter and not having to give the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DB224 Survival in Florida

2007-09-03 Thread Eric Lemmon
Paul, The link you posted goes to a fairy-tale site. Here is Comprod's site: www.comprodcom.com 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul R. Dumdie Jr Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 7:36 AM To:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Cleaning of duplexers...pt 2

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
I used to be in the clean everything back to new... camp. About three years ago I was built some really High-Q tank circuits for NMR Probe Research. The test equipment I have will clearly show a relative circuit operational Q. After a lot of construction and testing I could see that even

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Intergrating comspec ts-64 to MSR2000

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
Flaky on the TX or RX side? Tone reeds do fail and get flaky. In many cases you can actually swap the reeds to the other location (regardless of what the labels might say). If the problem moves to the other side function... you know the reed needs to be replaced. I've replaced lots of tone

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Frequency coordinator authority (was Re: subaudibe tones..)

2007-09-03 Thread George Henry
Go back and re-read the original thread: this discussion has never been about what one AGREES to... Bob made the claim that TASMA has control of the technical standards for the repeaters it coordinates, and tried to cite Part 97 to back up his claim: At 9/1/2007 11:25, you wrote: [EMAIL

RE: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Jeff DePolo
One can see there becomes a point where the coax will not look like coax at low frequencies or atleast have a characteristic impedance of something other than it normal value. Most of this is true (although I don't know what you mean by coax will not look like coax), and I already

Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Hahaha a audiophiles... can sell them anything no need for real physics, just tell them that this device will make things sound better, back it up with a BS statment that doesn't apply, and charge them 100 bux. On 9/3/07, Jeff DePolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can see there

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000 R1 Audio Squelch

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR 2000 R1 Audio Squelch Normal operation of the MSR-2000 Squelch circuits in repeater operation works as follows. The R1-Audio Module Squelch gates the receiver voice audio path and provides a squelched or un-squelched logic source out to the backplane for use by

[Repeater-Builder] Oxygen Free and stranded audio cables.

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
My circa early 80's audio friend Rick collected a series of audiophile articles about how braided strands of larger solid enamel coated wire is better for audio. He set about installing replacement hand-made cables on his stereo system and measuring the results, which were actually better than

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Master III UHF programming software

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
I've got a copy at work If I can remember right... I had to program a Mastr II E wich I believe uses the same software as the III. I'll take a look. On 9/2/07, dakaratcaptivereefing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me in the direction of a copy of MastrUtl? Pretty sure that the

[Repeater-Builder] Repeata-Mate RM-1 ?

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
OK, your turn... We have a Repeata-Mate RM-1 box here... anyone ever heard of or seen one of these small boxes before? It has four screw terminals on one side, a top mounted speaker, volume control, Speaker push on-off button and a lamp. The box top mounted cover label emblem has radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Oxygen Free and stranded audio cables.

2007-09-03 Thread Bob M.
I suppose without the oxygen, the copper wire won't rust or develop that green patina, so the sound quality won't degrade ! Also, due to skin effect at audio frequencies, the more strands, the better. And with some amplifiers that have a really high input impedance, the lower capacitance cable

[Repeater-Builder] Cleaning House

2007-09-03 Thread radio5000
I have a few things to offer up: One VHF quarter KW Micor base on 154. Free to good home.? Pickup only. One VHF Lo light duty Micor base on 46. Free to good home. Pickup only One BPR 2000 pager on 138 w/2tone decode. $5 shipped. One UHF 100W UHF Micor repeater on 460. Free to good home.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Oxygen Free and stranded audio cables.

2007-09-03 Thread cruising7388
In a message dated 9/3/2007 12:03:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose without the oxygen, the copper wire won't rust or develop that green patina, so the sound quality won't degrade ! Also, due to skin effect at audio frequencies, the more strands, the

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread allan crites
Ron , Aw c'mon Ron, dig out those equations from your library so we can all see where you're comming from. That way we can get an idea how much reference materials you really have and who and what they are. And just because your name is Wright doen't mean you're right all the time. Jesse also

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
My source was Electronic Communications Systems by Wayne Tomasi from DeVry. Copyright 1998. Its my old collage text. Also I grabbed additional information from google searches. Jesse On 9/3/07, allan crites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron , Aw c'mon Ron, dig out those equations from your

[Repeater-Builder] Moto multimeter

2007-09-03 Thread rwjohn49
Picked up a Motorola DC Multimeter at a hamfest. Very clean but it needs batteries. Inside it says the large battery is a Burgess 4156. No problem. But on the board there is a clip for another battery. Anyone know what it is? It doesn't look like a clip that will hold any battery I am

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Oxygen Free and stranded audio cables.

2007-09-03 Thread wb6ymh
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My circa early 80's audio friend Rick collected a series of audiophile articles about how braided strands of larger solid enamel coated wire is better for audio. He set about installing replacement hand-made cables

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Moto multimeter

2007-09-03 Thread Steve Kometz
S-1052 is the DC powered only model, S-1063 is the same, but also had a 110vac input on the back. Both used a Burgess 4156 (22 1/2 volt) and a Burgess 130 (1 1/2 volt) for their batteries. I had one for a long time, but got tired of the odd batteries. Good meter, 1962 Motorola book lists

[Repeater-Builder] Micor 110 W PA

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Hey guys, How many amps (ish) does a Micor 110 Watt VHF PA take when operating? Jesse

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Oxygen Free and stranded audio cables.

2007-09-03 Thread Laryn Lohman
If you really need a good chuckle (unless you threw out your tube stock recently) go to ebay and search for a 12ax7. For example http://cgi.ebay.com/Matched-New-Pair-of-Rare-Philips-mC-12AX7-Tubes_W0QQitemZ330162061283QQihZ014QQcategoryZ50598QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I sure hope

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Moto multimeter

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
The 22.5 volt battery is about the size of a standard 9 volt, with bumps at each end (axial body connections at each end). They'd be a special order item from the more popular electronic part sources and since they're not super common anymore. On the web they pop up cheap enough at $10.95

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Moto multimeter

2007-09-03 Thread Ronny Julian
Ron, if you find out it takes a A (Single A) cell 3vdc Lithium, let me know. I have 150 of them and no use for any of them. An A cell is just a bit longer and slightly larger than an AA cell. rwjohn49 wrote: Picked up a Motorola DC Multimeter at a hamfest. Very clean but it needs

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor 110 W PA

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Thanks. On 9/3/07, skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just the PA without anything else Anywhere from about 8 to 14 amps depending on the source DC power supply, the specific install and who sets up the equipment. cheers, s. Jesse Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, How

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor 110 W PA

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
El gusto es mio... If you use the amplifier on an external dc supply of the Astron type... you should probably use no less than the 35 amp rated unit and expect it to get really warm/hot in lock to talk (long transmit) periods of operation. Enough so that a modest ball bearing fan or blower

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread allan crites
Jesse, I find six titles by Tomasi with Electronic Communications systems in them.Could you be a bit more specific? And could you specify the pages where you found the information you used? And could you provide the information from which google searches? I'm interested in your sources.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor 110 W PA

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Ya thats exactly what I was wondering, I think I'll pick up a 50 amp rack mount astron. On 9/3/07, skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El gusto es mio... If you use the amplifier on an external dc supply of the Astron type... you should probably use no less than the 35 amp rated unit and

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor 110 W PA

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
Just the PA without anything else Anywhere from about 8 to 14 amps depending on the source DC power supply, the specific install and who sets up the equipment. cheers, s. Jesse Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, How many amps (ish) does a Micor 110 Watt VHF PA take when

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Sure I suppose... Electronic Communications Systems Fundamentals Through Advanced - Fourth Edition. Page 319. Also I went to microwave101.com for some more info. Curious why your so interested in the sources, I'm not lying I swear! Jesse On 9/3/07, allan crites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
er www.microwaves101.com On 9/3/07, Jesse Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure I suppose... Electronic Communications Systems Fundamentals Through Advanced - Fourth Edition. Page 319. Also I went to microwave101.com for some more info. Curious why your so interested in the sources, I'm not

[Repeater-Builder] Tubes...?

2007-09-03 Thread John J. Riddell
I wonder why the seller claims to have Phillips tubes when the picture clearly shows Rogers tubes ? Rogers made tubes in Toronto for over 50 years. Ted Rogers Sr invented the batteryless radio when he developed tubes that would work with an AC filament. His Ham call was 9RB and his radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor 110 W PA

2007-09-03 Thread Ron Wright
Jesse, It has been my experience one needs a continous duty supply at 2 times the PA output. This is the same for most Ham rigs as far as current draw. So for 110 W need a 220 W supply or 220W/13.8V = 16 Amps. If one takes some of the Motorola and GE PAs and turns down the power output the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Intergrating comspec ts-64 to MSR2000

2007-09-03 Thread Jay Urish
Whats going on is it seems like every once in awhile, after a few kerchunks, it the machine starts feeding back on it self and the COR and PL detect lines start pulsing simultaneously. I still have some more troubleshooting to do, when I can get back to the site. skipp025 wrote: Flaky on

Re: Re: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

2007-09-03 Thread Ron Wright
Allan, Well I think most on here do not quote their sources for many got info long time ago and from many sources. If you want a list of some of what I got...well ok: Reference Data for Radio Engineers, ITT (have had about 30 years so probably should update, but still the RF stuff is pretty

Re: Re: [Repeater-Build er] Re: Frequency coord inator authority (was   Re: subaudibe tones..)

2007-09-03 Thread Ron Wright
I think most repeater coordinators don't ask what equipment one is running or going to use. This is how it is in Florida anyway. Besides most coordinators don't know much about the equipment being used. I think they just follow their coordinating policy (distant to co-channel repeater, height

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT humor Tubes...?

2007-09-03 Thread Kevin Custer
John J. Riddell wrote: *Ted Rogers Sr invented the batteryless radio* *His Ham call was 9RB and his radio station later became CFRB...on the air to-day ...still...1010 Khz* *The RB part stands for Rogers Batteryless* Ted was one of the original Repeater Builders, hence the real reason for

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeata-Mate RM-1 ?

2007-09-03 Thread VE3ID
Maybe it was the one I threw away! It is of 1970's vintage. Don't waste your time, it was a very frustrating thing to deal with and it left my TX stuck on more than once. Nowadays the cross-band repeat feature of dual-band rigs delivers a nice clean solution. 73 Nigel ve3id skipp025

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Oxygen Free and stranded audio cables.

2007-09-03 Thread VE3ID
Skip, when I lived in England 14 years ago, the audiophile discussions were centred around whether CDs sounded better when they had been stored overnight in the freezer. Now you wouldn't want to contradict that, would you? After all I heard it on the BBC! We banned audiophiles from our

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tubes...?

2007-09-03 Thread VE3ID
To put a repeater connection back unto this thread, I would like to say that Rogers-Majestic was the company that made the 41V in Toronto that I got on 2m repeaters with, maybe one of Ted's sidelines that he later sold to Motorola? Maybe those tubes were mobile communications quality! 73

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Moto multimeter

2007-09-03 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
And if I remember correctly that 22.5v battery is only used on the highest ohms scale. If you can live without it the meter is quite happy with an empty battery holder. A friend of mine had a Tripplett 630 VOM that also needed a 22.5v battery. He cut a block of wood to fit the holder, put a

[Repeater-Builder] CTCSS decoder/encoders

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Hey All, Looking for a microprocessor driven user programmable CTCSS decoder/encoder something very simple and ideally cheap. Single tone, and preferably something with minimal current draw. Any good manufactures/ models that you would recommend? Jesse

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Oxygen Free and stranded audio cables.

2007-09-03 Thread cruising7388
In a message dated 9/3/2007 6:30:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Skip, when I lived in England 14 years ago, the audiophile discussions were centred around whether CDs sounded better when they had been stored overnight in the freezer. Now you wouldn't want to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS decoder/encoders

2007-09-03 Thread n9wys
Jesse, I use this: http://www.com-spec.com/ts64.htm $54.95 list. Available from Tessco, Hutton and other purveyors... ;-) I have no pecuniary interest in Com-Spec, Tessco, Hutton, etc... just a happy user. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On

Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS decoder/encoders

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Oh ya we've used these at work, a fellow tech had one wired into a package, cool thx. On 9/3/07, n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse, I use this: http://www.com-spec.com/ts64.htm $54.95 list. Available from Tessco, Hutton and other purveyors... ;-) I have no pecuniary interest in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Oxygen Free and stranded audio cables.

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Haha, nice. Another good one is the guys who have had entire boards changed to silver solder because it sounds better... and argue with you to the end of breath if you ever say it does nothing, and is a total waist of time. Even the car audio guys are foolish sometimes. Running double ott

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RF modems for remote sites

2007-09-03 Thread Nick Papadonis
I was considering a similar project using packet. Specifically, by keeping a transceiver open on a out-of-band frequency. Alternatively, maybe use the same input frequency to monitor for either a tone burst or packet data for upgrade. If detected, have the repeater switch into packet

Re: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS decoder/encoders

2007-09-03 Thread Mike Morris
Don't bother with Tessco, Hutton, et al for Com-Spec products... From the web page at http://www.repeater-builder.com/com-spec/com-spec-index.html Com-Spec will sell direct to the end user and can easily beat Hutton's, Tessco's and most others prices. Call 800-854-0547 or 714-998-3021 from

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RF modems for remote sites

2007-09-03 Thread Nick Papadonis
I was considering a similar project using packet. Specifically, by keeping a transceiver open on a out-of-band frequency. Alternatively, maybe use the same input frequency to monitor for either a tone burst or packet data for upgrade. If detected, have the repeater switch into packet

RE: [Repeater-Builder] CTCSS decoder/encoders

2007-09-03 Thread n9wys
Well, there ya go, Jesse!! _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mike Morris Don't bother with Tessco, Hutton, et al for Com-Spec products... From the web page at http://www.repeater-builder.com/com-spec/com-spec-index.html

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RF modems for remote sites

2007-09-03 Thread Jesse Lloyd
Ya, in a nearby town the hams did that. We use link communications controllers that have a serial port for programming on them. They hooked them up to a TNC which allowed them to change programming remotely. Worked great. Unfortunately it was before my time, and I wasn't involved in the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Frequency coordinator authority (was  Re: subaudibe tones..)

2007-09-03 Thread MCH
Generally that is true, but in WPA if a case of interference comes about, and the repeater causing the interference is not meeeing the Council's recommended specs on equipment, goess who is going to be solving that interference or losing their coordination? (in which case it will be their

[Repeater-Builder] For Sale: 70cm/23cm FM HT - Icom IC-X2A/E (Rare)

2007-09-03 Thread Mark Thompson
1.2 GHz Enthusiasts - I have an extra Icom IC-X2A/E in great condition that I'd like to sell. It has two VFOs covers the 440 1.2 GHz bands simultaneously. It includes a BP-84 battery pack a cigarette lighter adaptor. The extended coverage mod has also been made. These HTs are rare sell

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Intergrating comspec ts-64 to MSR2000

2007-09-03 Thread skipp025
Sound familiar to a problem I've had in the past. Try to see if the problem duplicates when the transmit power from the PA is placed into a termination (dummy load). Don't forget to properly terminate the unused duplexer port if you're not on a combiner. Might actually be an rf generated

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Wal Mart effect makes it to the Communications Hard (feed)-Line industry

2007-09-03 Thread Nate Duehr
On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Ron Wright wrote: I've seen good fiberglass antennas last 20 or more years in harsh enviroments and still show much life left. Up here, above 10,000 MSL, the UV rays eat up the fiberglass and they don't last any longer than 10 years, either. :-) That is... if

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: subaudibe tones..

2007-09-03 Thread Nate Duehr
On Sep 1, 2007, at 4:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have control of the technical operating parameters; see Part 97.3 (a)(22). As an example, we have one system on test coordination that has ~20 dB of desense. It can't be used anywhere with an HT, even 5 miles away