Re: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Kris Kirby
On Thu, 15 May 2008, KF4TNP wrote: D STAR DOES NOT NEED ITS OWN PLAN if all communication are done correctly and thing thought out . There is plenty of room if people would work together but too many are stuck on OLD I would be inclined to agree with you, however most existing repeater

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Collin, I had time to sit with the manual last night and learned a lot about what the CAT-1000 will do. It offers Control Receiver, Link, and Remote Base modes for the 2nd radio port, (DIP switch selectable) each with varying degrees of DTMF control allowed. (The CAT-1000 manual claims to

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread KF4TNP
_ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Kirby Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:59 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital On Thu, 15 May

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Ron Wright
For D* there is the one issue of less bandwidth. D* occupies about 6 kHz, about 1/3rd that of analog allowing for putting 2 D* in same space as 1 analog. This is not including what can be done with digital such as putting more than one set of users on one repeater using TDMA or some sort

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Howard Klino
SERA does require that you co-ordinate your control frequency. It will be an unpublished frequency. Also suggest that you use a sub tone. They will probably request that anyway. Howard K2IMO

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Home-made ressonant cavities?

2008-05-16 Thread Robert Pease
The repeaterbuilder website has a old QST article on building a set of 2 meter duplexers. Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com) -Original Message- From: Alexandre Souza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

2008-05-16 Thread Ron Wright
Paul, Maybe we are intermixing comments talking about 2 different issues. My comments were to say you can be the trustee and licensee with my call on a repeater. I am the trustee and my call is on the repeater, both. I was responding you saying If your callsign is on the repeater, you are

[Repeater-Builder] GE 100W 850-894 Amplifier Question

2008-05-16 Thread William Stillwell
I have in my possession a GE Mark V? 850-870Mhz 100Watt PA Wacom 987 Duplex/Notch Cavity. Does anybody have any experience in using this PA for the 902-927 Mhz Band Plan? It has a Circulator in it for 850-874 (Which I know will need to removed or replace), I know the PA Chips are rated for

[Repeater-Builder] GE 100W 850-874 Amplifier Question

2008-05-16 Thread William Stillwell
I have in my possession a GE Mark V? 850-870Mhz 100Watt PA Wacom 987 Duplex/Notch Cavity. Does anybody have any experience in using this PA for the 902-927 Mhz Band Plan? It has a Circulator in it for 850-874 (Which I know will need to removed or replace), I know the PA Chips are rated for

[Repeater-Builder] Motorola - Quantar

2008-05-16 Thread Holben SINAGA
Dear Quantar expert,   We have this annoying problem where the receiver squelch opens up on the Quantars and is retransmitted. It can happen to each repeater individually, or both can fire up at the same time. Generally, only white noise can be heard.   At times, the system can lock up and

[Repeater-Builder] Motorola - Quantar

2008-05-16 Thread Holben SINAGA
Dear Quantar expert, We have this annoying problem where the receiver squelch opens up on the Quantars and is retransmitted. It can happen to each repeater individually, or both can fire up at the same time. Generally, only white noise can be heard. At times, the system can lock up and only way

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MASTR II cards and modules

2008-05-16 Thread Charles Mills
let me check with the two guys I know who two Mastr II work before you deep-6 them. On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:20 PM, twoway_tech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a bunch of GE Mastr II boards and modules. Repeater control, 10V cards, and more. Some of them are standard cards and some are for

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Ron Wright
Collins, Well how stupid do you think Mike is??? :) Your comment No you are not too stupid to do this caught my eye, hi. Got my first laugh of the day. Seems I don't get those much anymore. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE MASTR II cards and modules

2008-05-16 Thread gervais fillion
Jordan would you have 2 or 4 channel elements of Master 2,Vhf low split 73/s Gevrais ve2ckn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:39:23 -0400Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MASTR II cards and modules let me check with the two guys I know who two Mastr II

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola - Quantar

2008-05-16 Thread James Delancy
Ok, now that I stripped all the darn yahoo HTML crap ... here is my answer to the reply. 1) If you have old firmware .. buy an upgrade! 2) (the simple solution) - Check your programming on your channel information screen. Make sure repeater activation and repeater hold in are set to Carrier

[Repeater-Builder] Motorola R1100A and R1150E

2008-05-16 Thread wd0ekr
anyone have any information they care to share about operating these units?

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Ron Wright
Many repeater coordinators want to know control freqs so they can advise if maybe a repeater input/output they want to protect. This way someone not so familiar with the band plans does not put something on that will lead to problems for both another repeater or to ones self. Also the

[Repeater-Builder] Preamp Info Wanted

2008-05-16 Thread Howard
Hello to all and thanks for reading. I am in the market for a preamp for my 2 Meter repeater. I am not looking to invite intermod so am asking for suggestions on what to buy. I am only looking to compensate for losses in feedline-cavities so huge gain is not required. As a matter of fact, I am

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Preamp Info Wanted

2008-05-16 Thread Maire-Radios
we use a lot of TX RX products John - Original Message - From: Howard To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Preamp Info Wanted Hello to all and thanks for reading. I am in the market for a preamp for my

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Preamp Info Wanted

2008-05-16 Thread Jim Brown
Howard, there are a couple of things to keep in mind on installing a preamp: 1. The losses in the duplexer and feedline cannot be made up in a preamp placed at the receiver input. You can increase the receiver gain with a preamp, but those losses are not recoverable. 2. You want to place the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Kris Kirby
On Fri, 16 May 2008, Ron Wright wrote: For D* there is the one issue of less bandwidth. D* occupies about 6 kHz, about 1/3rd that of analog allowing for putting 2 D* in same space as 1 analog. This is not including what can be done with digital such as putting more than one set of users

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Stupid is a relative thing… I’m considerably more stupid Monday morning then I am Friday night! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:44 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re:

[Repeater-Builder] DB-210 feed line matching at 52.88 MHz

2008-05-16 Thread wa6vpl
After a few hours of frustrating adjustments, I still could not match a (recently shortened) Decibel Products PD-210 antenna I was modifying for use on our 52.88 repeater. Initially, I used an HP- 8920 and SWR bridge and could not adjust the trombones any better than -8dB return loss. I am

[Repeater-Builder] Re: [DStar-Gateway] D-Star/FM Dual Mode Working - RNC Diagram

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Storer, Darren wrote: High level functional overview: http://www.g7lwt.com/documents/dv/gb3mi_gb7mi.pdf I assume you have no IRLP or D-STAR Gateway attached to either repeater, or you could have one of those trigger a transmission from either GB7MI (D-STAR Gateway) or GB3MI

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Paul Plack wrote: Are there any repeaters left using club callsigns? If so, those would be the only repeaters which still have trustees. Lots of them Paul, on purpose even. Look up W0CRA or W0CDS. W0CRA = Colorado Repeater Association W0CDS = Colorado D-STAR Association In the former, it's

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digita

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
wd8chl wrote: Ron Wright wrote: Nate, I should have said a repeater radio cost over $1000, but then again I thought the discussion was about repeaters on D-Star. I paid $400 for the IC91AD. This is about the cheapest one can do unless they get used like on e-bay. An equivlant analog is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital Repeater Operation

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
wd8chl wrote: I guess that's where we're disagreeing, or missing each other. Even if the repeaters, rigs, and what-have you... HAVE a busy-channel- lockout feature, no one is using them. So there's really no need to add it to D-STAR rigs, if no one else using the spectrum needs the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mototrbo Simplex Operation Answered

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Paul Metzger wrote: Yes, the Motorbo radios can operate simplex on both Analog Digital. Text messaging, non-intrusive radio checks, call logs, call alerts etc . . all work simplex as well. Just remember, the repeater handles the two time slots (two virtual voice channels at the same

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Ron Wright wrote: Nate, On the IC91AD if one programs a memory for DV and it scans accross an analog signal on that freq the rig will remain there for short period of time, determine if not DV and resume scan. I have not tried setting up an analog freq and seeing what it does in scan

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Kris Kirby wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008, Ron Wright wrote: For D* there is the one issue of less bandwidth. D* occupies about 6 kHz, about 1/3rd that of analog allowing for putting 2 D* in same space as 1 analog. This is not including what can be done with digital such as putting more than

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola - Quantar

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Holben SINAGA wrote: We have this annoying problem where the receiver squelch opens up on the Quantars and is retransmitted. It can happen to each repeater individually, or both can fire up at the same time. Generally, only white noise can be heard. The interesting thing is that both

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Bill Powell
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For D* there is the one issue of less bandwidth. D* occupies about 6 kHz, about 1/3rd that of analog allowing for putting 2 D* in same space as 1 analog. This little tidbit of information, courtesy of ICOM's badly

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Preamp Info Wanted

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Jim Brown wrote: Sensitivities in the order of .35 uV for 12 dB SINAD are common and they can be improved with a preamp, but if you are already using a receiver with .15 or so sensitivity, you will not be able to see any improvement by adding a preamp. In fact, it is quite possible to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Bill Powell wrote: First: It's not necessarily simple to change repeater frequencies. We are channelized in our repeater operation. In some places 2M channels are allocated in 15 kHz and 20 kHz (I hope there are no 25 kHz) channels. D-Star repeaters can operate on ONLY either 5 or 6.25

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Preamp Info Wanted

2008-05-16 Thread ka9qjg
Great info given But something else to consider Where is the Repeater Located , Maybe a Place You cannot get to Easy in the winter on a Mountain Etc , I use the advanced research Preamps on My 440 and 220 Repeaters , They work Great Except when the GasFet goes Bad it is Like a 20 DB Or

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola - Quantar

2008-05-16 Thread DCFluX
I believe this phenomenon is known as 'Quantar Howl'. I've suspected on chassis desence to be the cause, but I don't own one so I havent put serious effort into tracking it down. PL is not a cure for desence, just a way to hide it. If the transmitter sends tone that will open the receiver if

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread n4tua
Ron, Good Day to you too. Well I know Mike somewhat and am sure he is neither stupid nor would take an offense to my reply. Besides that he asked the question first. I only replied. I certainly hope Mike has taken no offense to my comments. If so I am sorry and apologize. Also Ron my name is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Ron Wright
Collin, No did'nt mean to think any spears were flying. I knew it was just talking. I saw no offending comment, just struck me funny, hi. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Fri,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola - Quantar

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
DCFluX wrote: I believe this phenomenon is known as 'Quantar Howl'. I've suspected on chassis desence to be the cause, but I don't own one so I havent put serious effort into tracking it down. Ick. Definitely someone will find it, eventually... if it's internal, ick ick ick. External is

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Ron Wright
Have not done the math, but for 25 kHz spacing as on UHF what about putting 2 D* repeaters one + 6.25 and one -6.25 kHz from a standard channel. Might be necessary to seperate distance wise as we do for 2m 15 kHz adjacent repeaters. Here it is 35 miles. The D* rigs can do this and might be

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Ray Brown
- Original Message - From: Howard Klino SERA does require that you co-ordinate your control frequency. It will be an unpublished frequency. Also suggest that you use a sub tone. They will probably request that anyway. Missouri Repeater Council is thatway, too. Ray

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Nate Duehr
Ron Wright wrote: Have not done the math, but for 25 kHz spacing as on UHF what about putting 2 D* repeaters one + 6.25 and one -6.25 kHz from a standard channel. You're starting to think like the folks who are trying to come up with good ideas, now you've got it! However... you forgot

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Dang Collin… I didn’t put your name and callsign together! Good to hear from you, and I certainly not offended. (I take a better beating than that every morning during 2-meter drive-time!) I don’t get offended easily and I know from a couple of years of lurking that this gang on here

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
It certainly makes sense. With all the randomness in the universe, I guarantee that two of us in the same town would probably pick the same control frequency and tone! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray Brown Sent: Friday, May 16,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Control Link

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Speaking of which, if I read it correctly, 2-meters is now available for auxiliary stations. Anybody dared try it yet? Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:14 PM To:

[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 ID please

2008-05-16 Thread Paul Simpson
Hello Folks, Is anyone able to ID this MSF5000 repeater for me please? C65CXB7106A7 Kindest regards, Paul VK2PDS

RE: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 ID please

2008-05-16 Thread Eric Lemmon
Paul, Here's the breakdown: C - Compa Station 6 - 70 to 100 watts 5 - 806 to 960 MHz CX - Digital Capable B - 120 VAC Power Source 7 - Programmable (PL or DPL) Squelch 1 - 25 kHz Channel Spacing 0 - Always 0 6 - Tone Remote Control A - Version T - Repeater You will need to provide the board

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola - Quantar

2008-05-16 Thread KF4TNP
Make sure you program the repeater activation and repeater hold in to Carrier and PL. And if you are NOT using mixed mode(if equipped) sometime the station can get a little crazy if left in the Carrier mode for the Hold in. I have 6 of these stations and the vhfs are the only units that have this

[Repeater-Builder] Re: MSF5000 ID please

2008-05-16 Thread nj902
C75CXB7106AT is a 75 Watt secure capable repeater station. It operates in the 800 band, 806-825 MHz receive, 851-870 MHz transmit. If your application is 800 MHz commercial, you're good to go. If you were looking for a station for a 900 ham project - keep looking. A comparable 900 MSF model

[Repeater-Builder] Dayton

2008-05-16 Thread Mark
Well, where is everyone at Dayton?? I've been looking near the BRAT tent for Skipp, but not knowing what he looks like to begin with has me at a severe handicap. hehehe I'm wearing a name tag with my call on it, along with a wide-brimmed, brown felt hat - and I'll be there again

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread MCH
So what's the answer: 1. Try to make room elsewhere for D* or 2. Encourage Icom to make dual mode repeaters so those with analog systems can simply swap them out and support both modes. I would try for the latter in the spirit of cooperation and upgrade ease on the part of the users. Once

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

2008-05-16 Thread MCH
A licensee is a person who is authorized to do something. A trustee is a person *entrusted* with something. (That's the legal definition of a trustee) That something could be a repeater or a coordination or a license, or any combination of these. In the case of my repeaters, I'm trustee of all

[Repeater-Builder] radios i'm playing with kenwood tk-3100

2008-05-16 Thread Jay Urish
I just got a stack of these old radios.. Does anybody have kpg-48d in their stash? -- Jay Urish W5GM ARRL Life MemberDenton County ARRL VEC N5ERS VP/Trustee Monitoring 444.850 PL-88.5 145.230 PL-88.5 927.875 PL-103.6

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coordination?

2008-05-16 Thread MCH
How could they stop it when they are still issuing vanity club calls (which a local club just got one of within the last month or so)? BTW, all licenses have trustees. All repeaters have trustees. All coordinations have trustees. When the time comes there is no trustee for any one of these,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread Thomas Oliver
There wasn't enough money involved for the FCC to approve D* spectrum request. Our local RACES district acquired UHF and VHF D* repeaters, complete systems with duplexers and $69.00 repeater antennas and feed line (unknown type) One complete VHF and UHF system as described above and a dual band

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DSTAR / DIGITAL / FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital

2008-05-16 Thread MCH
According to the math, 15 kHz won't work for analog repeaters. The math is also responsible for the umpteen 6M bandplans in use across the USA. It's not pure math. If only it were It's more art and opinion than pure math. Joe M. Bill Powell wrote: Do the math: If you can't divide the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton

2008-05-16 Thread skipp025
Hi Mark, We are all here... some of us haven't been located by the authorities yet. If you want to call my cell... 17074463419 and the brauts can be ordered with pepers and onions for .75 more... mmmhm good. Our booth is just up from the Outside braut tent where the cowgirls are