Re: [Repeater-Builder] What's the point of the PL input on the RLC4?

2009-09-07 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Mike, You have programmed active low for both COR and PL but it sounds as though you have not used command 005 to set the receiver access mode to require both COR and PL. By default it requires only COR for the repeater to go active. In that state the PL input will simply be ignored. With

Re: [Repeater-Builder] information requested re broadband internet canopy equipment interference

2009-08-31 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Yahoo! Groups Links -- Paul Kelley, N1BUG http://www.n1bug.com

[Repeater-Builder] Isolator vs intermod panel?

2009-07-20 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
I guess I was lucky in my first few years as a repeater owner. Lately I have nothing but grief in many forms. (Yeah I know, welcome to the real world!) Can someone tell me in basic terms what is the difference between an isolator and an intermod suppression panel which contains an isolator?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] SRL235-2 Bi-Directional Antenna, which direction has gain?

2009-06-24 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
If the Comprod is really the equivalent of the Sinclair SRL235-2, I must respectfully disagree with this. The instruction sheet for the SRL235-2 says the opposite, that maximum radiation would be perpendicular to a line drawn as described. I can scan a page from the Sinclair instruction sheet

Re: [Repeater-Builder] SRL235-2 Bi-Directional Antenna, which direction has gain?

2009-06-24 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
. --- Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Kelley N1BUG Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:36 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] SRL235-2 Bi-Directional Antenna

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Connector plating vs PIM etc.

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Jeff DePolo wrote: Now, having said all of that, my real-world experience with single-frequency-pair repeaters (not combiners or other multicarrier systems) is that I've never had a PIM problem that I could attribute to connector plating. Any connector that I install is silver-plated (or H+S

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Connector plating vs PIM etc.

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
John J. Riddell wrote: Paul, there is a product made here in Canada by DW Electro chemicals called Stabilant 22 that works wonders on connectors. It is a liquid and is about 35 dollars for a very small bottle. You just put a very small amount of it on each mating surface of the

[Repeater-Builder] Testing the Sinclair dipoles

2009-05-22 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
I did a brief test (a few minutes each) on the remaining 7 dipoles from the noisy SD2352 array. The only way I know to see if they are noisy in duplex service is to stick them on the repeater and see what happens. I used a weak signal radiated into the dipole under test for audible indication

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-22 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Nate Duehr wrote: I would also cautiously throw in here (knock on wood) that we've had EXCELLENT luck with the 2-bay vertical Sinclair folded-dipole antennas (snip) (Heck, if I knew the 2-bays worked THAT good from this type of site, I'd have put these things up sooner! S much easier to

[Repeater-Builder] Connector plating vs PIM etc.

2009-05-22 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
OK, I guess it's about time I asked this. Is there someplace I can find a reference on various connector types (plated or not, type of plating) vs PIM/IMD/noise in duplex systems and/or in high RF environments? I am looking at replacing my run of LDF5-50A and wonder what type of connectors I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-20 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Skipp, Do you have any idea WHY the models with two dipoles side-by-side are problematic and the in-line models are not? Are there differences in the construction of the individual dipoles that cause problems? Differences in the phasing harness? I'm thinking about using these dipoles to build

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Chuck, They are hot dip galvanized and there is no sign of rust (yet). When I took this apart I checked every bit of hardware for looseness and rust, found nothing suspect. One thing I did notice when I got the antenna was the factory Y splices and heat shrink over the 1/4 wave 35 ohm

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Thanks Burt! Great info there. If all the dipoles seem to be OK (not noisy) I am thinking of making my own harness to use 4 of them. I've constructed several multiple-antenna EME arrays so I understand the concepts and the importance of equal lengths, etc. My only concern with making my own

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
That is interesting Gran. The noise did not change with weather conditions, be it wet or dry, dead calm or gale force winds. I didn't try spraying with water while testing, but did tap on all the dipoles and wiggle as much coax as I could reach. It didn't seem to react to any of that. It was

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Hi Burt, Let's hope you don't need to get inside the dipole itself. BTW what is the diameter of the aluminum tubing used on the SD2352? The SD214 uses 3/4in OD. I *am* hoping! They use 3/4 in. OD on these also. The width of the folded dipole is 4.25 inches and the tip to tip (outer

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Update... the entire harness looks pristine. No sign of any problem. That goo they put inside the plastic clam shells around the factory Y splices is rather interesting stuff! I hope I find one or more noisy dipoles when I test 'em... otherwise I'll be left with a mystery and have no idea what

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
You didn't say, but are you running on some other antenna right now. (I'm looking here for how you know it was the Sinclair making the noise, and not some nearby rusty joint problem in a high RF field environment. (Are you in a high RF field environment? Any new transmitters right on top

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
There's nothing crazy about that idea Nate! I get creative thoughts when sleep deprived too. :) I had been thinking the transmitter might be doing something funny. I don't have easy access to a spectrum analyzer, but I think I've ruled out spurs as the primary cause? Correct me if my logic is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Ed, That is true. I stupidly neglected to do that after removing it from the tower and have been kicking myself ever since! I will probably end up re-assembling it to try that... but of course now everything has been disturbed so it may or may not act as it did before. I did do a brief test

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Chuck Kelsey wrote: You could test the harness with dummy loads connected in place of each element, if you can round up enough dummy loads. I like that idea. I would have to buy a bunch of loads though, not much chance of borrowing that many around here. And you could install the entire

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-19 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
That's interesting Skipp. I'm searching. I did find a couple references to PIM/IMD problems and one about poor signal with this type antenna. The latter caught my eye as I've been sitting here half thinking coverage with this single dipole I tossed up there *seems* to be as good as with the

[Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-18 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Several weeks ago I posted about my ongoing battle with duplex noise on a 2 meter repeater. I have now found a big piece of the problem (maybe all of it) but I'm a little surprised. I am wondering if others have had similar experiences. Two years ago I put up a new (well... NOS, actually)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-18 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Mike, Thanks. That is interesting. I don't recall hearing about this with dipole arrays before. What is the failure mechanism? Deterioration of the coax due to repeated slight flexing? The antenna was supported bottom and middle. Paul N1BUG Mike Mullarkey wrote: Paul, I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-18 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
That's what I thought Chuck. Thanks! I haven't yet decided whether I want to rip the heat shrink tubing off an element and disassemble it to see what coax is inside, which is why I asked. I was sort of contemplating whether it might be possible to replace all that coax with RG-214 in an

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole array premature failure (noisy)

2009-05-18 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
together. All that said, I've never worked on a Sinclair. I'm going by info that I believe to be correct as to what is inside the element. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Paul Kelley N1BUG paul.kelley.n1...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding Extra Cavities to Duplexer

2009-05-14 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
this? Dave WB2FTX No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/12/09 06:22:00 -- Paul Kelley, N1BUG http

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality

2009-05-04 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Got one here too! Honestly you should see some of the professionally installed repeaters with mobile radios screwed to plywood, wires dangling everywhere, exposed electrical connections, repeater buildings with rusty metal sheets for siding flapping in the wind, bent leaning towers (installed

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: W1GAN and square duplexers aka homebrew duplexer

2009-04-29 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: As I recall, an early ARRL VHF manual had a brief chapter on repeaters, and I believe there were two articles that were of interest. One was the duplexer and another was a four bay folded dipole antenna for repeater use. I'd like to get a scan of that ARRL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Remote receiver suicide control

2009-04-17 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: The lock-shut-through-its-own-contacts latching relay uses power as long as it is activated. As another gentleman pointed out, the magnetic latching relay only uses power when the coil is activated (i.e. a pulse to change the state of the relay). I would want to use

[Repeater-Builder] Remote receiver suicide control

2009-04-16 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
I am also working toward a multiple receiver voted system and have a question. I was reading http://www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/votingcomparators.html and wondering about how to implement a site suicide command where power is disconnected from the entire remote package requiring a trip

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Remote receiver suicide control

2009-04-16 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
RAMSEY KITS has a unit that is supposed to work from commands via your telephone touch pad. It’s about $39. You call the unit up, touch the phone keys, and the dtmf commands can turn on and off devices plugged into it. I wonder could this be converted to work on the input of a recvr,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote receiver suicide control

2009-04-16 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Randy, I will be using a small repeater controller. What I want is some way to kill power to everything in the box... receiver, link transmitter, controller, the whole works. This would be a last resort in the event something fails in such a way that it is critical to shut it down, at a time

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Remote receiver suicide control

2009-04-16 Thread Paul Kelley N1BUG
Mike, Paul, Mike, Martin, and others... Thanks for the ideas. I will try out a couple of them and then make a decision on exactly what method to go with. I had not thought of using a latching relay. The idea of a husky relay or maybe a beefy SCR to short the supply on the inboard side of a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer loss different with more power, Why?

2005-12-01 Thread Paul Kelley
OK, let's think about several things here... All three of them looked identical, with rejection on the rx side of -80 dBm on each single cavity. Do you mean -80 dB? I have never seen a single cavity that could offer 80 dB notch depth. If you really meant -80 dBm (80 dB below 1 milliwatt)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] How Accurate is Radio Mobile?

2005-11-26 Thread Paul Kelley
I guess it doesn't really make much difference how accurate a propagation program is, since the Hams I know who have used Radio Mobile or similar programs, simply put the computed coverage plot on the wall and proudly proclaim that it represents the coverage of their particular station. I

[Repeater-Builder] TLN5731A / 5732A Micor UHF mobile PL encoder ??

2005-11-09 Thread Paul Kelley
Can anyone help me out with this one? I have a UHF Micor mobile T34RTA3000AA (450-470 range), exciter is TLE8423A. I have a manual but the closest model listed has a 'BA' suffix. The manual has a fold out page covering TLN5731A and TLN5732A PL encoder boards, but doesn't explain the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Building a Repeater with a midland 13-509 and a cobra 200

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Kelley
I haven't seen any replies to this yet so I'll take a stab at explaining the basics. (Hey guys, this sort of thing is a FAQ, obviously... maybe we need a good basic Repeater Building 101 article for RBTIP? If there is one, I haven't found it. I am aware of the What's a Repeater article but

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Induced RF on tower - May cause desense, too?

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Kelley
VERY interesting. I have a VHF repeater that is doing the same thing (intermittent bouts of noise that sounds like a bad connection / micro-arc). I've been blaming it on the very old Phelps Dodge PD220 antenna... which it may well be in my case. What I am curious about here is that in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Building a Repeater with a midland 13-509 and a cobra 200

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Kelley
Yeah, it may be a gamble depending on the site. I have read the recent comments on that receiver and obviously it does work well at a number of sites. Probably wouldn't hold up at some others... I tend to forget about such things easily, as I am used to working with repeaters at incredibly

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Induced RF on tower - May cause desense, too?

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Kelley
In my case, what worries me is the problem seems to be worse in a gentle breeze than a strong wind. About half the time shaking the antenna seems to produce the problem and the other half it doesn't. It is nearly always breezy at the site which leads to a certain ambiguity on that test. I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] basic repeater 101 article

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Kelley
wrote the article. little fluffing and folding and its good to go. but,,, thats only my opinion ...i could be wrong.. mdm probably need some sexy pictures to augment it... Paul Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen any replies to this yet so I'll take a stab at explaining the basics

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: basic repeater 101 article

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Kelley
Uh... that's another article... Repeater Politics 101 Besides... ya don't even wanna get me started on wacked coordination groups. ;-) Paul N1BUG On Tuesday 23 August 2005 03:58 pm, skipp025 wrote: I don't see the part where you deal with wacked coordination groups fight with

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer Configuration Question

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Kelley
Bob, I've heard the hybrid ring is a bear to adjust. That engineering paperwork Skipp has sounds interesting but given his comment I'm not sure I'd be able to understand it! (Skipp, I don't have any real need for that info, aside from a curiosity/desire to learn or help others) With a 40

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer Configuration Question

2005-08-13 Thread Paul Kelley
Paul, when you say capping the other port, do you mean shorting it or leaving open, or with stub or what? Best is to put a cover on the connector to shield it so no RF can leak in or out. A type N cap will fit the threads of an SO-239 connector. Second choice is to leave it open, connect

[Repeater-Builder] My DB4062 tuning experience

2005-08-12 Thread Paul Kelley
Just thought I would share my experience retuning a 6 cavity DB4062 duplexer this week. Since there was someone asking about this recently, maybe it will be of interest. I was a bit nervous about doing this with minimal equipment as outlined in their field tuning instructions, but it went

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer Configuration Question

2005-08-12 Thread Paul Kelley
No piston trimmer that I can see, unless it's inside the can across the loop. I was thinking of cracking one open to find out. Anyway, though, it would have to be adjustable to peak up the cavity, so why would they hide it in there? No, they wouldn't be hidden inside. Just checking. On

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TM-241A audio to external tone decoder

2005-08-08 Thread Paul Kelley
Yes, I know Mark. I don't need it to transmit, just monitor a frequency and only for a few weeks. Fortunately I'm at a really quiet site so the receiver doesn't get crunched. Getting tone decode to work reasonably well was cured by using speaker audio... guess this is one of those typical

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TM-241A audio to external tone decoder

2005-08-08 Thread Paul Kelley
Thanks Paul. Just getting a chance to catch up on mail here. Speaker audio does seem to work better in this case, which surprises me. Whatever works! Thanks for the help. Paul, N1BUG On Sunday 07 August 2005 08:34 am, Paul Holm wrote: We had similar difficulties with a 241 and an

[Repeater-Builder] TM-241A audio to external tone decoder

2005-08-07 Thread Paul Kelley
I am wanting to temporarily use a Kenwood TM-241A radio at a repeater site... not for a repeater receiver but for something fairly mission critical. I fed the audio output available at the mic connector to a TS-32P and it seemed to decode fine at first. I have now found it decodes signals

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Name that Duplexer!

2005-08-02 Thread Paul Kelley
My vote goes to Decibel Products DB4060. The only thing that looks different from the Decibel duplexers I have worked with is the brackets holding the cavities to the mounting rail(s)... but the brackets shown in your photos are exactly like the ones pictured in some of the (older?) DB

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: receiver

2005-07-23 Thread Paul Kelley
The difference is less than 1.5 dB... barely noticeable, if at all... and definitely isn't going to buy you any added range. Paul, N1BUG On Saturday 23 July 2005 09:33 am, Maire-Radios wrote: that is the thought. thanks and other thoughts? Will there be a noticeable difference in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Motran station MSB / MSY

2005-07-19 Thread Paul Kelley
Yes... it's a UHF MSB/MSY station of some sort... or part of one. I don't know the original station model number so I may be out of luck. This thing works but the station control / power supply has been hacked and largely replaced with homebrew by a prior owner. I think I can easily sort

[Repeater-Builder] UPDATE: UHF Motran station MSB / MSY

2005-07-19 Thread Paul Kelley
I have located a manual which should answer my questions about this station. Paul, N1BUG On Tuesday 19 July 2005 11:17 am, Paul Kelley wrote: Yes... it's a UHF MSB/MSY station of some sort... or part of one. I don't know the original station model number so I may be out of luck

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RCA power supply ID?

2005-07-18 Thread Paul Kelley
On Sunday 17 July 2005 02:27 pm, Neil McKie wrote: More - found it !!! Indeed you did !! Thanks Neil, I appreciate it. I thought this was going to be tough to identify from the limited info I had, but you nailed it. That tells me what I need to know for now. Is there an easily copyable

[Repeater-Builder] UHF Motran base MSB / MSY

2005-07-18 Thread Paul Kelley
Aha! I think I've identified my dinosaur remains as some version of Motran base/repeater. That's a start. I still can't determine exactly which receiver and transmitter I have. I assume there were a few variations. Anybody got a manual for something like this that they would part with?

[Repeater-Builder] Another old Motorola question

2005-07-17 Thread Paul Kelley
While we're on the subject of ancient Motorola stuff... I just acquired remains of something which I am trying to ID. It is or was a UHF station or repeater. I believe these are the transmitter and receiver numbers: TTE1133AA TRE1152AF Anyone know what this was or have documentation for

[Repeater-Builder] RCA power supply ID?

2005-07-17 Thread Paul Kelley
And here's a REAL long shot I'm trying to find any info on this power supply, believed to be from a RCA ~100 watt VHF base or repeater. The only markings are: 3720788-501 CODE B. I don't have a picture so will try to describe it. Open frame, rack mount, 7 height. One big

Re: [Repeater-Builder] db-4062 duplexer

2005-07-07 Thread Paul Kelley
Did you get an answer to this? I've forgotten what the A, B and C ranges were. I have a DB4062 which is 143 - 156 MHz. I can measure the cable length next time I am at the site (should be within a few days). I'm not sure the loops would be any different between the ranges, but they

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur - conclusion

2005-07-04 Thread Paul Kelley
BTW: Which sticks are you in? I'm in EC Indiana, with an SA that I could loan. A kind offer, thanks. Different sticks though... I'm in central Maine, geographically speaking (that's northern Maine to most of the world :-) Paul Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go

[Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur - conclusion

2005-07-03 Thread Paul Kelley
Joe was right. I feel like an idiot! But this experience served as a very effective reminder... I doubt I'll be making this mistake again any time soon. :-) Service monitors and spectrum analyzers don't live out here in the sticks. So when I had reports of a spur I dragged out my

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio Limit with GE MAstr Pro

2005-07-03 Thread Paul Kelley
Matthew, You shouldn't need to reduce the audio level going into the controller. The RX audio level adjust pot on the controller should allow you to adjust that level as low as you need. You might want to go through the procedure for setting audio levels (RX and TX) in the controller manual

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur

2005-07-02 Thread Paul Kelley
So, no one here has ever run into this before? Really??! I found and tested a third radio... same problem. To restate what the problem is: Micor mobile UHF T34... when running in the ham band transmit low / receive high they are spurring 910 kHz above the transmit freq. I don't know what

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur

2005-07-02 Thread Paul Kelley
Eric, Thanks for the reminder never to trust a single instrument too much. This spur is verifiable though. It can be heard on the air when the Micors are running into an antenna, up to at least 5 miles away if it is a true line of sight path and there is some antenna gain at both ends. And

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur

2005-07-02 Thread Paul Kelley
Thanks Glenn. When I first noticed the 910 kHz relationship, 455 IF was the first thing that popped into my mind... until I realized the Micor doesn't have a 455 kHz IF. Darn, another good theory ruined... Since I have 3 similar radios exhibiting exactly the same problem I am thinking this

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur

2005-07-02 Thread Paul Kelley
On Saturday 02 July 2005 11:57 am, Ken Arck wrote: ---My first reaction is to ask..how are you driving the xmtr, audio wise? Did you bypass the limiter/filtering? Thanks Ken. The spur is there even without audio. But no, I'm not bypassing anything... controller audio is fed to the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur

2005-07-02 Thread Paul Kelley
Comments threaded in... On Saturday 02 July 2005 01:19 pm, Joe Montierth wrote: I have used lots of Micor mobiles as repeaters and never seen this problem. Thanks Joe. How far down is the spur from the TX carrier? About 80 dB give or take a bit. My thought is that the 910KHz is too

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur

2005-07-01 Thread Paul Kelley
On Friday 01 July 2005 04:56 am, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wrote: One trick that I have used... the far end of the preselector tune broader than the near end. I've found that I get better performance if I do the tuning then turn it around and tune it again. This lets the old far end adjustments

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur (more test results)

2005-07-01 Thread Paul Kelley
I just spent another night poking around in this thing. Sniffing around the transmitter with a receiver and very small probe antenna I am reasonably certain the spur is present at Q305 (exciter mixer) and all subsequent stages. Using a general coverage receiver the fundamental output of the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur (more test results)

2005-07-01 Thread Paul Kelley
On Friday 01 July 2005 08:43 am, Dave VanHorn wrote: Any possibility that it's coming from the power supply, and not actually the amplifier at all? Do you get it when running from a battery? Good thought. I tried 3 different power supplies and finally a battery. There is definitely

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB4060 duplxer

2005-07-01 Thread Paul Kelley
On Friday 01 July 2005 03:22 pm, Glen Briggs Aka KBØRPJ wrote: can anyone help me find the tuning information for a DB4060 duplexer, i can't see, to find them anywhere on the net.. anyone got any ideas? I think all that stuff disappeared from the web site when Andrew acquired Decibel

[Repeater-Builder] UHF Micor (mobile) spur

2005-06-30 Thread Paul Kelley
Aarggh! I've pulled out most of my hair on this one! To revisit something I asked about several months ago... I'm still having a problem with my UHF Micor mobile converted to repeater. It is a T34RTA3000AA with power set at 20 watts. It is on 444.000 (T), 449.000 (R) and is producing a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: UHF Micor (mobile) spur

2005-06-30 Thread Paul Kelley
Thanks Skipp... I do have the proper service manual, and I have tuned that exciter bandpass filter so many times I can now do it in my sleep. I used the first time presets per the manual and followed the procedure down to the last detail. I fed the output of the LLA to a 50 ohm load and the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] how broad are cavities?

2005-06-22 Thread Paul Kelley
Don, 1. Cavities are roughly tuned by their physical dimensions, and then tweaked by rods, plates, etc., eh? The length of the cavity (more importantly the inner conductor of the cavity) sets the frequency. Usually cavities are designed to cover a RANGE of frequencies... the tuning rod

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-411 ETC..

2005-05-25 Thread Paul Kelley
On Wednesday 25 May 2005 09:02 am, Gary wrote: I made the elements out of 1/4-inch brass so I don't have to worry about a weap hole to drain water. The supporting element for the dipole is 1-inch aluminum square tube. The harness was built from RG- 11 coax. That is very interesting Gary.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Poor Repeater RX

2005-05-23 Thread Paul Kelley
Alexander, That is a good start. Now you have some more work to do (sorry I didn't have a chance to comment before your trip to the site!) With the preamp OUT and repeater transmitter DISABLED, get someone to give you a weak signal (something that is far from full quieting). Now put

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Desence

2005-05-12 Thread Paul Kelley
On Thursday 12 May 2005 01:57 pm, DCFluX wrote: Has anyone had desence due to the fact that the repeaters antenna is too close to the repeater its self? Like 12 feet of vertical seperation and 2 feet horizontal? I don't know about your MASTR II base station (per later post) but I had

[Repeater-Builder] Sinclair dipole harness waterproofing

2005-05-12 Thread Paul Kelley
Probably a dumb question, but I just obtained a new Sinclair SRL235-2 antenna. The factory 'Y' junctions in the harness are enclosed in plastic clam shells which were apparently filled with some type of goo and then clamped onto the cable. The goo around the edges is still very... well,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Converting Use of Duplexer from Single Antenna to Split Antenna?

2005-05-02 Thread Paul Kelley
Steve, As others have said it will probably work much better to separate the lines at the antenna port of the duplexer. Leave the transmitter and receiver connected as they are now, but remove the T at the duplexer output and feed the TX antenna from the TX side of the duplexer and the RX

Re: [Repeater-Builder] antenna's

2005-04-30 Thread Paul Kelley
Good answer Mike, but I think you made a typo below... If the antennas are 50 ohms and you feed them with odd quarter waves of 75 ohm coax, the impedance is transformed to 100 ohms... divided by 2 at the T connector is 50 ohms, not 37.5. In theory I agree with the comment about not moving too

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for Moto T1504 duplexer locking nuts?

2005-02-18 Thread Paul Kelley
There are at least two types of BpBr cavity as well. I have a homebrew T1504 duplexer using four Moto BpBr cavities. Two have the slotted 1/2 inch threads and lock nut. The other two have 1/2 inch mounting threads and no slots; the threads also do not extend far enough forward from the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Can you hear 3db?

2005-02-11 Thread Paul Kelley
On Friday 11 February 2005 10:33 am, Joe Montierth wrote: Second, I see this 3 dB thing bantered about as the smallest change that can be heard. I think this is wrong, due to personal experience, and talking to others. Most CW ops will tell you that when someone changes power by 3 dB, that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II PLL vs. Multiplier (crystal) exciterin duplex service.

2004-12-20 Thread Paul Kelley
It will come to 5 volts if you find a ferrite slug. I got some out of an old HT... don't remember if it was a Motorola or what, but it had the right size slugs for PLL exciters. I *may* have more of them around, but would have to look. Paul N1BUG On Sunday 19 December 2004 07:01 pm, DCFluX

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mitrek

2004-12-18 Thread Paul Kelley
Me too, but we live in the U.S.! I suspect living in India gives one a very different perspective on that. I hope someone can help Venkat with the xtal info. (Maybe someone already has... I was only partially following the topic since I don't have the requested info.) Paul N1BUG On

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cursed Coax

2004-12-17 Thread Paul Kelley
I have seen the cheap RG-214 type cables, but all the genuine RG-214/U MIL-C-17 stuff I have used had silver plated center conductor and double silver plated shield. I learned from experience not to use anything less in duplex service! (you can sometimes get away with it, but don't count on

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cursed Coax

2004-12-14 Thread Paul Kelley
So you're using a piece of SINGLE SHIELD coax that you have reason to believe may have been exposed to WATER, and you're wondering if you should get rid of it?? Yes! Do yourself a favor and get a piece of hardline or at the very least RG-214/U with double silver shield. Also make sure the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE-Moto (antenna relay question)

2004-11-25 Thread Paul Kelley
On Tuesday 23 November 2004 01:40 pm, Mike WA6ILQ wrote: Do you have a spare digital output and a spare digital input? Can you trigger a timer on an input going inactive? If so, add a 555 timer chip outside. Yes, Yes, and Aha! Thanks for the idea. If I do that I will have used up all my

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE-Moto (antenna relay question)

2004-11-23 Thread Paul Kelley
On Monday 22 November 2004 08:09 pm, Mike WA6ILQ wrote: The Scom has a command that can be included in the macro to pause the execution - it actually freezes the entire controller until it times out. Maybe the Link has something similar. Nice. The Link RLC-4 doesn't have anything similar

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE-Moto (relay question)

2004-11-22 Thread Paul Kelley
That's a great idea and I have been thinking along those lines... just haven't engineered a workable solution yet. Paul On Saturday 20 November 2004 09:25 pm, Kevin Custer wrote: Steve Grantham wrote: How about running the exciter PTT or A+ through timed relay contacts that will open on a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE-Moto (antenna relay question)

2004-11-22 Thread Paul Kelley
On Sunday 21 November 2004 05:07 pm, Mike WA6ILQ wrote: The flow chart and design of the common moonbounce preamp switching can be your starting point. I have been on moonbounce and used relay sequencing schemes for many years, but the required flow here is quite different. Probably a simple

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE-Moto (antenna relay question)

2004-11-21 Thread Paul Kelley
On Saturday 20 November 2004 10:14 am, Kevin Custer wrote: A Micor Mobile antenna relay for the input power (400 mW), and the OEM GE antenna relay used with the high power station (part number unknown, but it looks and is similar in size to a Dow Key Relay) for the hot side of the RF. OK. I

[Repeater-Builder] GE-Moto (relay question)

2004-11-20 Thread Paul Kelley
Kevin, That is one awesome repeater! Nice mix of GE and Motorola stuff. I sort of have the reverse situation with GE receiver / exciter and Moto PA. I have questions concerning the PA selection relays. I assume you have relays at the PA outputs as well as the inputs? What type of relays are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB264-A vs -C dimensions

2004-10-31 Thread Paul Kelley
That's exactly it Joe. I could use a good repeater antenna, but I also enjoy experimentation. Sometimes it even pays off! Failure is always a possibility, but if you don't try you won't succeed. This thing has just been laying around, so... Paul On Saturday 30 October 2004 05:19 pm, Joe

Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB264-A vs -C dimensions

2004-10-31 Thread Paul Kelley
On Saturday 30 October 2004 04:29 pm, Chuck Kelsey wrote: Between 0.85 to 0.95 wavelength, center to center. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Paul Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:46 PM Subject: [Repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] WA6SVT coaxial collinear results

2004-10-31 Thread Paul Kelley
On Sunday 31 October 2004 10:59 am, Tony lelieveld wrote: This sounds like a very interesting project. As I somehow missed the start of this thread please let me/us know what the original project plan is and where it came from. http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/wa6svt.html Paul

[Repeater-Builder] WA6SVT coaxial collinear results

2004-10-30 Thread Paul Kelley
Recently when I said I was building one of these, some folks wanted my evaluation of it when it was completed. I've misplaced your emails (I hate when that happens!) so will post it here and hope Kevin doesn't mind. I built a 10 element UHF version. One minor concern: I couldn't change the

[Repeater-Builder] DB264-A vs -C dimensions

2004-10-30 Thread Paul Kelley
OK, I know the major response to this is going to be forget it and buy the right antenna. but I will blunder in and ask this anyway. Question: does anyone know the center to center dipole spacing for a DB264-A (150 - 160 MHz) antenna? I'm trying to evaluate whether it is feasible to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TS-32 modification

2004-10-19 Thread Paul Kelley
I have used TS-32, TS-32P, and TS-64 boards and notice about the same thing. The 64 is noticeably faster but still slow enough to chop the first word. I added a digital audio delay which eliminates the problem. The first couple hundred milliseconds of audio i s saved until the TS-64 has

Re: [Repeater-Builder] coaxial collinear

2004-10-08 Thread Paul Kelley
On Thursday 07 October 2004 06:47 pm, Kevin Custer wrote: Correct. Plus, it *can* be longer than 1/4 wave. Many commercial manufacturers actually use the large aluminum mounting tube at the bottom of the antenna for the decoupling sleeve. Thanks. About 20 years ago Radio Shack sold

[Repeater-Builder] coaxial collinear

2004-10-07 Thread Paul Kelley
I finally got around to constructing my first coaxial collinear as per: http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/wa6svt.html (and using a few of Kevin's ideas) I have a question for those who have built these. Referring to step 9 and figure 4, I assume the decoupling sleeve connects a *true*

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexer story update

2004-10-02 Thread Paul Kelley
Excellent explanation Eric. This is what I was getting at when I suggested he try different cable lengths, but you explained it much better. I went through this on a 2 meter repeater once. It took a couple of hours but I arrived at a cable length that got the matching about right and the PA

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