Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-07 Thread David Pratt
Hi Chris. Yeah, have been using formish for quite some time now also and endorse it as well. It is a nice library and especially like the fact that both custom and auto-generated forms are possible that provide same simplicity and convenience. The other serious benefit is that it is very sm

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Chris, Chris McDonough wrote: > Form generation libraries that contain validation are very tough to > generalize > in a way that lends itself to framework convenience. I think Formish does a > pretty good job here, because it physically separates out a lot of stuff > that's > all glommed

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Chris McDonough
Martin Aspeli wrote: > Thomas G. Willis wrote: > >> I was kind of expecting that the book would have some gaps as far as bfg >> goes. I was hoping that going through the exercise of struggling through >> those gaps would help me arrive at a better understanding of all things >> zope(a lofty goa

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Chris McDonough
Form generation libraries that contain validation are very tough to generalize in a way that lends itself to framework convenience. I think Formish does a pretty good job here, because it physically separates out a lot of stuff that's all glommed together in other system (and thus there's schem

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Thomas G. Willis wrote: > I was kind of expecting that the book would have some gaps as far as bfg > goes. I was hoping that going through the exercise of struggling through > those gaps would help me arrive at a better understanding of all things > zope(a lofty goal I'm sure). I guess what I

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Chris McDonough wrote: > +1 to what Martin wrote, with something else that can only add to the > confusion: recently I have been using Formish (http://ish.io) to do > autogenerated forms. I think both zope.formlib and z3c.form try to paint > forms > based on "model" objects; formish doesn't e

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Iain Duncan
> > Hey Martin, > I was kind of expecting that the book would have some gaps as far as > bfg goes. I was hoping that going through the exercise of struggling > through those gaps would help me arrive at a better understanding of > all things zope(a lofty goal I'm sure). > > > thanks so much

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Carlos de la Guardia
Just a couple of comments on your bigger picture questions: > > #1 does bfg provide machinery for registering components or is that > functionality specific to big daddy zope? I assume the answer is yes, > augmented  with "it depends". I realize that bfg is meant to isolate you > from the zca, but

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Thomas G. Willis
I actually looked at this yesterday and it didn't seem to generate forms but does provide the marshaling + validation. so it seems to me it's similar to formencode/htmlfill, where I'm looking for something more like tw.forms. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Andreas Reuleaux wrote: > You might

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Thomas G. Willis
:) I'll have to try this out too. That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: > +1 to what Martin wrote, with something else that can only add to the > confusion: recently I have been using Formish (http://ish.io) to do > autogenerated f

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Andreas Reuleaux
You might also want to look at Malte's repoze.formapi, see e. g. his blog entry http://mockit.blogspot.com/2009/05/forms-that-dont-make-you-tense-and.html Personally I can't comment on repoze.formapi vs. formish, as I have used neither of them yet, but I think both should work well with bfg,

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Thomas G. Willis
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Martin Aspeli > wrote: > Thomas G. Willis wrote: > > OK, not sure if this is a blasphemous question or not. I've been slowly > > working through "Web Component Development with Zope 3" , and instead of > > trying out the things in zopeproject, I figured that tryin

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Chris McDonough
+1 to what Martin wrote, with something else that can only add to the confusion: recently I have been using Formish (http://ish.io) to do autogenerated forms. I think both zope.formlib and z3c.form try to paint forms based on "model" objects; formish doesn't even try. It just lets you create

Re: [Repoze-dev] zope.schema, zope.formlib in bfg? or help a newb understand zca coolness

2009-10-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Thomas G. Willis wrote: > OK, not sure if this is a blasphemous question or not. I've been slowly > working through "Web Component Development with Zope 3" , and instead of > trying out the things in zopeproject, I figured that trying out the > things in bfg as well may yield a greater understan