[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden, Linux and Turboboost

2012-04-14 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

I had a hard time finding out why Rosegarden sometimes shifts to a
higher speed and - after some seconds - shifts back again. Audio tracks
were out of sync then.

Obviously my Linux 3.0 kernel has no problem with Speedstep (varying CPU
clock) but with Turboboost. After I switched off Turboboost in the BIOS
the speed shifts nerver happened again.

System:
  Core i5-2300, Xubuntu 11.10, Rosegarden 11.06

.jackdrc:
  /usr/bin/jackd -R -dalsa -D -Phw:0,0 -Chw:0,0 -Xseq -p256 -r44100

Regards
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[Rosegarden-user] Plugin settings when saving/restoring rg-file

2012-05-04 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

for audio tracks I use the Multiband EQ. Changing values, saving the
rg-file and loading it preserves the settings internally (I see it in
the rg-file with an editor and I hear the results) BUT when I edit
the plugin parms then all the settings look reset.

Same happens with delay time an other settings in l/c/r-delay. It seems
Rosegarden has problems feeding the loaded settings to the plugins'
graphical edit panels. It drives me crazy.

I run Rosegarden 11.06 from Ubuntu's repo.

Is that issue known and/or fixed in Rosegarden 11.11?

Regards
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[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-07 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

I made my first song with rosegarden. I chose Rosegarden because:

- MIDI-Sequencer
- Can use Synthesizer-plugins, eliminating latency and jitter compared
  to internal MIDI
- Can record and arrange audio
- Can use LADSPA-plugins for audio (reverb, echo ...)

What I don't need:

- Create scoresheets. Matrix editor and event editor is all I need

What is missing for me?

- Stability. Rosegarden crashes every ten or so record/undo-attempts
- A button named "set everything temporally to half speed"
- Plugin settings are remembered in the settings-GUI

The most important question ist: Does Rosegarden have a future? How many
developers work actively on Rosegarden? One? Even the most motivated
spare-time-developer cannot handle this. Rosegarden is a big piece of
software.

Unfortunately I am not a coder. I can write bug reports, I can test, I
could do translations (German), but that doesn't fix bugs.

Rosegarden is a lovely piece of software. I like it very much. A big
thank you to every developer!

But will it survive the next years?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-07 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 7 May 2012, Abrolag wrote:

> I really, really, REALLY don't want to have to try to find something (or
> even a bunch of somethings) that does all of that.
> 
> I get frustrated by RGs bugs, but never by it's functionality.

I second that. And, Rosegarden UI *is* intuitive. It took me some days
to find out many cool things but I understood how to record MIDI and
Audio and edit them within an hour.

I tried OpenOctave yesterday. It took me hours and a manual to record
something but I am sure I've not yet understood what these Inputs and
Busses are needed for, how this Linuxsampler can be administrated, how
Tracks' instruments can be changed afterwards and more. It may be mighty
but it's a strange logic inside - at least for me.

> I do wish Michael would not be so negative. We know it's had to take a back
> seat to putting food on the table. We understand that it is a massive piece of
> complex software - even the time to compile tells you that! However, saying
> that this or that will *never* be fixed is shortchanging everyone, including
> putting off potential future devs who might otherwise take a look at the
> problems.

If he has to work 70 hours a week behind the steering wheel of his truck
then he needs support. But who can help him?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

2012-05-08 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 7 May 2012, david wrote:

> > It could all have something to do with all the newest latest and
> > greatest stuff in the most recent distro too. I'm still running
> > 10.04. It looks like upgrading to 12.04 is going to involve a fairly
> > painful migration process getting settled in with the newest KDE,
> > and I'm in no hurry to bother with that. Maybe June, maybe later.
> 
> Hmm, so RG12.04 requires KDE$? If so, what a great step backwards!

I guess he wanted to say that with Ubuntu 12.04 you can't have KDE3.
There is a KDE3-Fork named Trinity Desktop Environment. Looks ok.

But I moved to xfce. I am happy with it. You can adapt it (use only one
combined starter and taskbar) so it looks and feels similar to KDE3:

http://www.marzen.de/tmp/xfce4.png

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.04, codename "Freedom" RELEASED

2012-05-08 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 8 May 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 12.04 of 
> Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor for Linux.
> 
> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

Whoohoo! My beloved Rosegarden isn't dead at all!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Would it help to donate small amounts of money? I am sorry not being
able to spend big amounts of money.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-08 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 8 May 2012, Abrolag wrote:

> On the promotional side...
> For what it's worth, absolutely every track on my website - and there are one 
> or
> two there :) - was developed and performed using Rosegarden. This includes
> controlling both hardware and soft synths, hydrogen drum machine and embedded
> audio.

As a 50 years old man I started again making music after 25 years of
being busy with other things. Its now a few weeks since I noticed
Rosegarden, and I liked it from the first moment on. To get rid of big
latencies and jitter I used fluidsynth as a plugin. This is the only
synth I used in the song "Die Nacht am Meer", even for the drums. My wife
was so happy with the results that she placed the song on her blog:

http://sally13.de/blog/?p=2935

(http://sally13.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/die_nacht_am_meer.mp3)

Of course she placed a Rosegarden-Link as well there.

I am very, very happy that development goes on. Unfortunately I cannot
install all the neccessary header files on my Ubuntu 11.10 to compile
the most recent version of Rosegarden because of dependency conflicts. I
guess on this Ubuntu there's still a little mess when you have 64 and 32
bit software mixed

However, Rosegarden is my favourite tool.

Regards
Holger

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-10 Thread Holger Marzen
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Richard Bown wrote:

> Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could 
> contribute to new website/direction/developments.
> 
> Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some 
> people who are big current contributors.  This is just to get the ball 
> rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and 
> you want it here.
> 
> > Songwriters  
> > Will J Godfrey
> > Holger Marzen
> > Neil Bryan  User/Supporter
> 
> Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc?

Yep. Songs to be downloaded. And maybe hints and some technical notes
how the songs were made. Maybe screenshots.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

2012-05-11 Thread Holger Marzen
On Thu, 10 May 2012, Chris Cannam wrote:

> On 10 May 2012 12:38, Richard Bown  wrote:
> > On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making 
> > this editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users?
> 
> I host it. It gets updated automatically from the Subversion repo.
> (https://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rosegarden/website)

So can I add a song and some text/images there or would it be better to
setup an own page and link there?

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[Rosegarden-user] Vibrato speed with FluidSynth

2012-05-21 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

I use FluidSynth as a DSSI plugin in Rosegarden. When I choose a sound
and add some modulation (mostly vibrato) then I often find the vibrato's
frequency too high. Is there a simple way to lower the speed of the
vibrato? Do I have to edit the soundfont? How?

Best regards
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[Rosegarden-user] Hint: Vibrato speed in soundfonts

2012-05-23 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

the vibrato's speed in an soundfont's instrument was not my taste. With
hints from a FluidSynth developer I could edit this instrument's vibrato
speed. The Swami Instrument Editor (free software) makes it easy.

Maybe it helps someone.

Best Regards
Holger

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[Rosegarden-user] Stereo Reverb with mono vocals

2012-05-29 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

my audio tracks are in mono. To get the stereo effect with
LADSPA-plugins (e.g. stereo reverb) I have to switch the track to
stereo. But then the original signal is located far left. I cannot pan
it to the center or to the right.

Do I have to import the audio tracks in stereo when I want to use stereo
effects?

Best regards
Holger

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[Rosegarden-user] Crash when adding groups in audio mixer

2012-05-31 Thread Holger Marzen
Starting Rosegarden 11.06 and adding groups in audiomixer in an empty
set works ok. But when I add groups after loading an .rg file then
rosegarden crashes.

Known issue? Solved?

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crash when adding groups in audio mixer

2012-06-05 Thread Holger Marzen
On Thu, 31 May 2012, Holger Marzen wrote:

> Starting Rosegarden 11.06 and adding groups in audiomixer in an empty
> set works ok. But when I add groups after loading an .rg file then
> rosegarden crashes.
> 
> Known issue? Solved?

Strange. Now it works. Guess I have to look for little green men in my
computer.

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Stereo Reverb with mono vocals

2012-06-05 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 29 May 2012, Holger Marzen wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> my audio tracks are in mono. To get the stereo effect with
> LADSPA-plugins (e.g. stereo reverb) I have to switch the track to
> stereo. But then the original signal is located far left. I cannot pan
> it to the center or to the right.
> 
> Do I have to import the audio tracks in stereo when I want to use stereo
> effects?

Seems that it happened when I copied segments from a mono track to a
stereo track. Copying from mono to mono and making it stereo afterwards
works. But now I prefer combining mono audi tracks to a mixer group and
inserting stereo reverb there.

Regards
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[Rosegarden-user] More that 16 instruments for a given synthesizer-plugin?

2012-06-05 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

I use fluidsynth as a DSSI-plugin even for the drums. To be able to pan
the single drums, snare, cymbals etc. I setup an own instrument for
every instrument of my drumset. Adding other instruments (bass, organ
etc.) exceeds easily the 16 instruments-limit and the 17. is muted.

Are there any tricks to have more than 16 fluidsynth-dssi-plugin based
instruments?

Regards
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[Rosegarden-user] Delay for segments

2012-06-07 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all!

- Is it possible to enter the delay freely, e.g. 46 ms or 3/64?

- Is it possible to enter a negative value? Of course this could not be
  respected if it led to a beginning before the first beat.
  This would be cool to compensate for latencies to external programs,
  e.g. Hydrogen.

Regards
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[Rosegarden-user] Different latency per mixer group with plugin

2012-06-08 Thread Holger Marzen
- 4 audio mixer groups
- 4 tracks
- each track with fluidsynth and a segment with bassdrum on each 1/4
  note from a general midi soundfont
- each track routed to a separate audio mixer group

-> they are perfectly in sync! Hooray!

Now add to each group the same plugin, e.g. multiband eq. Then they're
horribly out of sync.

Are the plugins processed sequentially? Could this be fixed with
threads?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Different latency per mixer group with plugin

2012-06-08 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 8 Jun 2012, Holger Marzen wrote:

> - 4 audio mixer groups
> - 4 tracks
> - each track with fluidsynth and a segment with bassdrum on each 1/4
>   note from a general midi soundfont
> - each track routed to a separate audio mixer group
> 
> -> they are perfectly in sync! Hooray!
> 
> Now add to each group the same plugin, e.g. multiband eq. Then they're
> horribly out of sync.
> 
> Are the plugins processed sequentially? Could this be fixed with
> threads?

I made some more tests: different latency is biggest when enabling only
group 1 and 4.

Some more tests: It doesn't happen with the one band parametric or the
2x2 plate reverb. Probably the multiband eq plugin is problematic.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Newbie, asking for help to setup an audio recording

2012-07-01 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 1 Jul 2012, Stephen H. Dawson wrote:

> Getting up and running with Rosegarden on my Linux Mint box.  Have spent 
> many years with pro audio, and some time with Ableton Live. Windows box 
> motherboard went, tired of giving $$$ to Microsoft. Going down the Linux 
> road.
> 
> Need to recored a very simple audio file.  This would be from a mic in 
> the webcam I have.  I need to record some simple audio of myself 
> speaking.  I would use the Linux Mint native sound recorder. However, I 
> need to pause the recording every so often, as it is a long recording 
> and that feature is not available in the Linux Mint native sound recorder.

Rosegarden would be a bit of overkill since you need to set up jackd.
I recommend Audacity. If your Webcam's mic is recognised by ALSA then
you can select it in Edit->Preferences->Devices, see
http://www.marzen.de/tmp/audacity.jpg

It's that simple.

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[Rosegarden-user] Stumbling notes when recording

2012-08-19 Thread Holger Marzen
Say:

- Track 1
- Fluidsynth plugin, GM Soundfont, drumset-sounds
- One Segment already recorded

When I record an additional segment with an USB-keyboard (piano-keys,
not computer keys) while the existing segment is played then some new
notes get severely delayed or swallowed. They are recorded at the right
timestamp but their sound is delayed, what confuses me while recording.

Ist that a known issue? Is it fixed in versions after 11.06?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Get sound working with Realtek sound card

2012-08-20 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012, jott27 wrote:

> Rosegarden on Ubuntu 12.04
> My Realtek sound card on HP-Pavilion-dv9500-Notebook does not support
> soundfonts.
> What can I use to get sound working?

Use Fluidsynth, either standalone as external programm (controlled by
qsynth for example) or as a DSSI synth module in Rosegarden (very
recommended).

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Stumbling notes when recording

2012-08-24 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

> On 19/08/12 09:25, Holger Marzen wrote:
> > Say:
> >
> > - Track 1
> > - Fluidsynth plugin, GM Soundfont, drumset-sounds
> > - One Segment already recorded
> >
> > When I record an additional segment with an USB-keyboard (piano-keys,
> > not computer keys) while the existing segment is played then some new
> > notes get severely delayed or swallowed. They are recorded at the right
> > timestamp but their sound is delayed, what confuses me while recording.
> >
> > Ist that a known issue? Is it fixed in versions after 11.06?
> 
> It might not be a Rosegarden issue... I would check if your jack is 
> set-up to use realtime and a good low latency? I've experienced this 
> being rather important for fluidsynth 'smoothness', although in my 
> experience less relevant with the fluidsynt, Although I must say I have 
> very little experience with usb (musical) keyboard.

Hi Lorenzo,

Jack runs fine, latencies in Jack are no problem. There are only latency
problems when

- using plugins with big latencies like graphical EQ
- using synths as external programs instead of using as a dssi-plugin

I guess there are either loops or general midi-routing problems when
recording the same instrument that's played with already existing
segments.

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Holger

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[Rosegarden-user] Entering values for LADSPA plugins directly

2012-08-25 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

some plugins are unusable for me because I cannot enter arbitrary
values. The AM pitch shifter plugin has a range from 0.25 to 4. But I
cannot enter values directly. 

It doesn't seem to be a language problem (messing with , and .). Even if
I start Rosegarden with
  LANG=en_us.utf8 rosegarden
I cannot set the values directly. Setting them with the mouse (turning
the knob) works but is way too coarse. Entering the value in the input
field or using up and down arrows always leads to the minimum value of
0.25.

Rosegarden version is 11.06.

Any ideas?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Entering values for LADSPA plugins directly

2012-08-26 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On Saturday, August 25, 2012, Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > I cannot set the values directly. Setting them with the mouse (turning
> > the knob) works but is way too coarse. Entering the value in the input
> > field or using up and down arrows always leads to the minimum value of
> > 0.25.
> 
> Same thing here with the latest development build.  You're not crazy.
> 
> Using the AM pitch shifter thing as a test bed, the knob that moves in 
> integer 
> increments seems to be working just fine.  The knob that lets you set a 
> floating point value has big problems.
> 
> The display appears to be limited to two decimal places of precision, but the 
> arrow buttons obviously let you make changes in finer increments than that.  
> The result is that you have to click repeatedly in order to see a visible 
> change.

That's not for every plugin a big problem. I noticed that the phaser
gets finer LFO-changes than those displayed. So if I klick the arrow 2
times then the 2-decimal-value doesn't change but the LFO-frequency
changes.

Back to the AM pitch shifter: Changing the values with an editor in the
.rg-file works. Not really user-friendly but it's a workaround. Frank
Zappa's advice in "The Slime" is "That's right, folks, don't touch that
dial!"

> Once you've made the change, either by using the arrow buttons or by typing a 
> value directly, that change gets corrupted somewhere along the way.  Try to 
> change to 1.03 and the result is the knob gets set to some fantastically 
> wrong 
> number like 1e-10.
> 
> That kind of wildly nonsensical number is usually an uninitialized variable, 
> but it seems like there could definitely be type conversion and/or precision 
> issues mixed up in here too.  I'm weak on floating point math, so this might 
> be a common pattern I don't even recognize.

My stomach says that it's a casting problem.

Unfortunately my Ubuntu 11.10 has not the needed library- and header
versions, so I can't compile RG here and try to find the bug

My holidays before christmas should give me the time zo update my Ubuntu
to 12.04 LTS.

Best Regards
Holger

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-27 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Noel Darlow wrote:

> Long time XFCE user here. I can't remember ever having a problem. 

XFCE4 ist *my* successor of KDE3.

http://www.marzen.de/tmp/xfce4.png

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[Rosegarden-user] Audio segments not showing their contents (waveform)

2012-08-27 Thread Holger Marzen
On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Abrolag wrote:
> 
> > The first is that an audio segment doesn't show any contents for several
> > bars although it plays correctly. With some of my shorter segments this
> > means I don't get to see anything at all.
> 
> Confirmed.  I've looked at this one more than once, but I've never managed to 
> figure it out.

I had that problem never with 11.04 but with 12.04 there is no audio
segment at all showing content. Bad for fine-alignment.

Something must have changed since then.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio segments not showing their contents (waveform)

2012-08-27 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Holger Marzen wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Abrolag wrote:
> > 
> > > The first is that an audio segment doesn't show any contents for several
> > > bars although it plays correctly. With some of my shorter segments this
> > > means I don't get to see anything at all.
> > 
> > Confirmed.  I've looked at this one more than once, but I've never managed 
> > to 
> > figure it out.
> 
> I had that problem never with 11.04 but with 12.04 there is no audio
> segment at all showing content. Bad for fine-alignment.
> 
> Something must have changed since then.

Rosegarden showed lots of
"QImage::setPixel: Index 1 out of range"

A rg-file without any audio tracks didn't show these messages.

That could be a hint.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio segments not showing their contents (waveform)

2012-08-27 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Abrolag wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 16:35:18 +0100
> Chris Cannam  wrote:
> 
> > On 27 August 2012 16:08, Holger Marzen  wrote:
> > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012, Abrolag wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > The first is that an audio segment doesn't show any contents for 
> > >> > several
> > >> > bars although it plays correctly. With some of my shorter segments this
> > >> > means I don't get to see anything at all.
> > >>
> > >> Confirmed.  I've looked at this one more than once, but I've never 
> > >> managed to
> > >> figure it out.
> > >
> > > I had that problem never with 11.04 but with 12.04 there is no audio
> > > segment at all showing content. Bad for fine-alignment.
> > 
> > I fixed this on the 8th of May, but my commit came just after one from
> > Michael reading "Update version to 12.12" so I guess the fix wasn't in
> > 12.04.
> > 
> > Michael, did you confirm the problem with 12.04 or current SVN?
> > 
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> For me, I was delighted to see the problem was resolved in SVN 12959

I pulled the development snapshot 12981. It's not fixed. It draws a
horizontal line but no waveform. Sometimes it draws nothing.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio segments not showing their contents (waveform)

2012-08-27 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Holger Marzen wrote:

> > For me, I was delighted to see the problem was resolved in SVN 12959
> 
> I pulled the development snapshot 12981. It's not fixed. It draws a
> horizontal line but no waveform. Sometimes it draws nothing.

I deleted ~/.config/rosegardenmusic and now the audio tracks are
displayed fine.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio segments not showing their contents (waveform)

2012-08-27 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Michael McIntyre wrote:

> I think I released the fix in June, but don't remember.  As I recall,
> the fix worked.
> 
> Everyone please bear with my growing pains here.  I got KDE working
> after a clean install, but the new KMail has huge problems.  I'm
> giving up on it and migrating to something else, in spite of how much
> it pains me to do so.

Give Claws mail a try if it has to be clickable.
I use (al)pine for more than a decade. No buttons, no cry.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

2012-08-30 Thread Holger Marzen
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, jimmy wrote:

> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 8/29/12, John  wrote:
> 
> > I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me,
> > but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer
> > to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs
> > work.

> Perhaps you shouldn't even bother with Linux at all, pay for Windows,
> or OSX apps for everything you want to use, Rosegarden, Lilypond
> probably can't be compare to the well polished professional apps out
> there.

Yes, they are shiny and want to sell you "creativity". You push a button
and a guitarist plays his licks, you push another button and a drummer
creates a drum fill automagically.

But don't ever think that ...

- there are no problems. Windows users fight with latencies and
  limitations as well, only in another way.

- they make your songs better. I know people who play with this shiny
  stuff but never get any song finished. It's a big difference freaking
  out about perfect piano- or drumset-samples or an even-still-better
  reverb and putting this all together to a piece of own music.

Yes, I am angry when rosegarden crashes or doesn't allow me to put the
whole track 19 milliseconds to the front, or that the LADSPA plugins'
gui doesn't reflect the knobs' settings. But this doesn't stop me making
music.

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[Rosegarden-user] Mixer-Input in Rosegarden?

2012-09-01 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

I managed to install lv2rack with the IR convulsion reverb. I found some
free impulse responses in the internet, too. I even could feed this
reverb via jack from rosegarden's instruments' output and subgroups. And
I could feed this signal back to rosegarden's recoding inputs to record
it in an audio track.

Is it possible not to record that signal (you have a static snapshot
then) but to feed it simply to rosegarden's mixer? That would be a fine
send/return-facility as in hardware mixers.

Best regards
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[Rosegarden-user] JACK-MIDI?

2012-09-16 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

is Rosegarden able to use JACK-MIDI instead of ALSA-MIDI? Maybe in the
future? Some people say that JACK-MIDI has some advantages regarding
latency/jitter.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New sound, new way of working

2012-09-29 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012, Abrolag wrote:

> I've finally worked out how to use two keyboards recording to two different
> tracks with two different voices at the same time, but through one instance of
> Rosegarden and with sounds from one of yoshimi. Also I have a new instrument
> sound, that I call Solo.
> 
> So now I can freely record a genuine two handed improv, hearing as I play
> exactly the same as it will playback. Up to now I've had to record to a single
> sound, then split out the left hand.

I was always happy that technology lets me play one after another :)

I even like it to add modulation wheel and pitch bend in a second step.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some questions for rosegarden users

2012-09-30 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012, dusthillresid...@netscape.net wrote:

> Does anyone else use the ability to change the colour of different 
> segments? PENIS. I do sometimes, mainly to indicate song structure. For 
> example, the segments for the intro are blue, the middle part red, and 
> etc.

No. I give them appropriate names, that's all.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Warning maessage "resolution timer" with rt kernel and hrtimer mod.

2012-10-03 Thread Holger Marzen
On Wed, 3 Oct 2012, Delpistroumph wrote:

> But I still have the error warning message: 'midi timer resolution to low'.(in
> French for my version)

I don't know if ALSA is fixed already. At least with 3.0 kernel the
system locks if you use hrtimer with a sequencer.

A realtime kernel is something people used to boost the jack performance
with slow CPUs. It's not needed for Rosegarden's functionality.

Important für Rosegarden is a kernel with HZ1000 enabled, that's the
scheduling frequency. Then Rosegarden's warning disappears. Check if
it's enabled. If not, enable it and compile the kernel again.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: ZYN sofar 2 of 5 ways

2012-10-16 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

> 
> 
> I found this 2008 rosegarden tutorial by D. Michael McIntyre 
> @ http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/tutorials/supplemental/zyn/zyn.html
> in which he explains how to use the ZYN synth. He begins with 
> launching ZYN and then watching Qjackctl connect it, etc. But 
> rosegarden-11.11.42 can use ZYN without it being started manually 
> i.e. ZYN figures in the synth list. Is there there a difference?
> Is this second condition a result of rosegarden having detected 
> an installed ZYN package and just using it? 
> 
> The reason I'm asking is that sofar I've found only 2 ways to
> get sound from ZYN: via what seems to be the above internal rosegarden 
> selection with rosegarden running, or without jack (and thus without 
> rosegarden) when ZYN is started manually with the command "padsp 
> zynaddsubfx".  
> [OpenSUSE-12.2 in which the jack/qsynthctl/rosegarden combo now 
> otherwise works nicely]. 

There are basicalle 2 ways to start a synth:

1.) as a standalone program. You have to set it up to use the correct
audio driver. In Rosegarden you have a MIDI instrument as its
representation.

2.) as a DSSI synth plugin. It integrates into Rosegarden and its JACK
connection AND it won't suffer from ALSA MIDI latencies. In
Rosegarden you have a synth plugin instrument.

Fortunately some synths are available both as a standalone program and
as a DSSI plugin, including fluidsynth and zyn.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)

2012-10-16 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

> 
> 
> I have hoarded up the following files in a folder and can 
> point Qsynth>Setup>Soundfonts to the folder:
>  
>  ChoriumRevA.SF2
>  HS Synth Collection I.sf2  
>  soundbank-emg.sf2
>  GeneralUser_GS_FluidSynth.sf2  
>  HS-Synth-Collection-I.sf2  
>  Unison.sf2
>  gu11-rom.sf2   
>  PC51f.sf2  
>  Vintage_Dreams_Waves_v2.sf2
> 
> Some of these are huge and surely contain nice stuff but I see 
> no way to use them in rosegarden. Any hints appreciated.  Any 
> other good free or commercial sources?

Use fluidsynth as a synth plugin instrument. Go to its settings and load
the appropriate soundfont and select the desired instrument out of the
list. I have always switch to an arbitrary instrument and back to the
desired instrument until fluidsynth uses it. Your selection is stored
when you save your .rg-file.

You can have up to 24 instruments, and for each instrument you have to
load your desired soundfont. It can be the same or another. I load for
every drum the same soundfont and select the same drumset but use
another drum (bass drum, snare ...) on each instrument so I can pan the
drums and use reverb for the snare but not for the bass drum and so on.

I recommend FluidR3_GM.sf2. It's freely available and of very high
quality.

I use it for the drums and several other instruments, sometimes together
with Whysynth (as a DSSI module, too). See http://suedwestlicht.saar.de/

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)

2012-10-18 Thread Holger Marzen
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

> I have about 10 *.sf2 files in a folder, the 2 biggest ones are
> 
>   FluidR3_GM.sf2  149 mb
>   PC51f.sf263 mb
> 
> and I suppose that each of them contain hundreds of musical instruments
> just like Zyn does. 
> 
> I selected all of the sf2 files in the Qsynth setup "Soundfonts" 
> browser dialog so now when I open that dialog all 10 are there. 
> There seems to be NOTHING to do in that dialog except to sequence 
> them in a top down order with move up/down buttons. I presume 
> only one sf2 file can be selected at a time, and that one is 
> whichever one is at the top.

You can create several instances (green cross on the bottom left) in
Qsynth, each with another soundfont and MIDI-channel. That sould be the
way to go.

Bit I recommend using fluidsynth as synth plugin instruments in
Rosegarden, each with its own soundfont. Latency is much better and
Rosegarden remembers all settings. It's no problem having 3 instruments
with FluidR3_GM.sf2, each with a different sound selected and 2
instruments with PC51f.sf2.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)

2012-10-20 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012, k...@trixtar.org wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:45:26 +0200 (CEST)
> Holger Marzen  wrote:
> 
> > You can create several instances (green cross on the bottom left) in
> > Qsynth, each with another soundfont and MIDI-channel. That sould be the
> > way to go.
> 
> Setting a different soundfont is optional, is it? 

Yes, but loading one into each instance is necessary.

> By midi channel you mean communications like 131:0?
> [I thought a midi channel was like one of 16 musical 
>  instrument sounds available per synthesizer]

MIDI-Channels go from 1 to 16. In the Hardware-world MIDI is a bus
system where you can daisy-chain many synthesizers. Each synthesizer is
set to a unique channel so note-on- (and other commands) can be directed
to the desired synthesizer. The commands include a field for the
channel-no.

> I managed to create 3 instances of Qsynth and then included 
> them in Rosegarden "Manage-Midi-Devices" and got them to
> play some segments. I get nice sound quality with this 
> method, way better than Zyn, but..  How do I set up one of 
> the 128*banks available 'programs' or "musical instrument sounds"?  

Zyn and fluidsynth (the core of qsynth) are totally different. Zyn is a
synthesizer that has configurations or "patches" for each sound. There
is no standard way of organising them.

Fluidsynth is a soundfont-player or a play-only-sampler. In the
soundfonts there are samples and settings. In the case of a "General
MIDI soundfont" there is a standard way to organize the sounds.

I am no expert in the world of assigning descriptions to sounds. There
is much more to know. For example there are some description files for
some well known synthesizers and their factory sounds. 

> Right clicking on the track title in Rosegarden offers up 
> to chose the Qsynth instance and 16 numbers, how do I 
> corelate those numbers to sounds in the loaded sf2 file? 
> Suppose I want that track to play a deep cello, where and 
> how do I set that?  
> 
> So much for virtual midi 'devices'.

I organize it differently. For each instrument I use a separate track
and a separate synthesizer plugin instrument. Then there's no hassle
with MIDI-channels:

Track 1 - fluidsynth synth plugin - instrument 1 - soundfont x with program a
Track 2 - fluidsynth synth plugin - instrument 2 - soundfont x with program b
Track 3 - zynadsubfx synth plugin - instrument 3 - program c
Track 4 - whysythn synth plugin -   instrument 4 - program d

It's handy to always have track number and instrument number equal. This
is not always possible since you can have MIDI, synth plugin and audio
tracks.

It's a good idea to have a fluidsynth with a selected drum program (e.g.
"standard") on track 10, instrument 10. It can be used as metronome.

My way of doing it is having as many synth plugin tracks as I need, e.g.
from 1 to 12 and then start the audio tracks behind.

> > Bit I recommend using fluidsynth as synth plugin instruments in
> > Rosegarden, each with its own soundfont. Latency is much better and
> > Rosegarden remembers all settings. It's no problem having 3 instruments
> > with FluidR3_GM.sf2, each with a different sound selected and 2
> > instruments with PC51f.sf2.
> 
> This bit I don't understand but if it cuts down on latency 
> then I want to understand it because I'm using OpenSUSE and 
> they no longer bother with low-latency kernels. However the
> Rosegarden manual say this about plugins (I presume 'as
> opposed to midi devices'): 
> 
> "The use of plugins has a cost in CPU time, as audio processing 
>  in real time usually takes a significant amount of work even on 
>  a modern CPU. It also has a potential cost in reliability: when 
>  Rosegarden is running a plugin, if the plugin hangs or crashes, 
>  so does Rosegarden. Many plugins are very reliable, but it's 
>  inevitable that some will not be so well tested." 

CPU time is always needed für synths, regardless if they are loaded as
DSSI-plugins or if they are started as standalone programs like Qsynth.

The author means LADSPA-plugins to create effects like equalizer,
reverb, phaser and others. But they are meant to be used, so use them if
you need them :)

> Anyway, I right click on a track #3 title and select "Synth 
> Plugin" and the number 14 meaning that this synth DSSI plugin 
> (to be next defined) will be used by Rosegarden internally 
> without setting it up as a "Midi-Playback-Device". This shows 

Yep. But I recommend to use synth plugin instrument #3 on track #3.

> up under "Track Params" as info but there is nothing to do there. 
> Next I go to "Instrument-Params" which shows the same "Synth 
> Plugin 

Re: [Rosegarden-user] Synths: other collections(?)

2012-10-20 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012, Holger Marzen wrote:

> - Right-click on track #4's title, select synthesizer plugin #3

It should read
  - Right-click on track #3's title, select synthesizer plugin #3

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] compilation failed on Gentoo

2012-10-20 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2012, Bruynooghe Pierre wrote:

> Hi. Il try to compile the last Rosegarden svn version on Gentoo. But,
> during the make, I obtained this error :
> 
> /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.4/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:
> cannot find -lQtGui
> /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.4/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:
> cannot find -lQtXml
> /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.4/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:
> cannot find -lQtNetwork
> /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.4/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld:
> cannot find -lQtCore
> collect2: ld a retourné 1 code d'état d'exécution
> make: *** [rosegarden] Erreur 1
> 
> -
> On my Gentoo, dependencies like qt-guiqt-xmlpatterns and qt-core and, 
> are installed.
> 
> I don't understand. Regards Pierre

Do you have libQtGui.so?

I compile on my Ubuntu (4 CPU cores) like this:
./configure --with-qtlibdir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Metronome don't play right flow rate!

2012-10-24 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012, Delpistroumph wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I'm a drummer and I use to work with Ardour2 and a Korg KDM2 metronome.
> When I set 120 on the Korg KDM2 metronome, it's the same flow rate as Ardour2:
> I can use the grid or the ardour2 metronome:
> _ it's the same flow rate_.
> 
> But not with rosegarden!
> 
> So I guess it's rosegaden that don't play the good flow rate.
> 
> Know issue?
> Any solutions?

Depends on your PC.

I had some problems with Rosegarden running faster and slower. But this
wasn't Rosegarden's fault.

On Intel Core-CPUs we have 2 mechanisms setting CPU speed:
- Speedstep
- Turbo Boost

While the Linux system timer can handle Speedstep (e.g. set by cpufreqd)
it can't handle Turbo Boost. Turbo Boost increases CPU's clock when only
one CPU-core need's more power.

My solution:
Disable Turbo Boost in the PC's BIOS.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to disable JACK?

2012-10-30 Thread Holger Marzen
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, John O'Hagan wrote:

> On 29/10/12 09:33, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> > On 10/28/2012 02:06 PM, Jim Cochrane wrote:
> >> jackd is started up whenever I start
> >> rosegarden, even though this box is unchecked.  Is there another spot in
> >> the GUI to disable jack that I'm not seeing?
> >
> > There is no box for that as such.  Rosegarden isn't starting jackd so
> > much as the JACK API is starting jackd.  I misremember the technical
> > details, but basically we made a minor change to use a different API
> > call, and now the audio server starts itself when Rosegarden does if
> > it's not already running.  This is basically a good thing, since it
> > starts Rosegarden with all of its features enabled by default.
> 
> [...]
> 
> >
> > I suppose we could consider making some config option that would prevent
> > Rosegarden from even attempting to start JACK, but I'd really rather not
> > bother unless there is a lot of demand.  It's just one more confusing
> > configuration option for people to misunderstand, one more thing for
> > everybody to have to translate, and one more thing for users to forget
> [...]
> 
> I agree with the approach, but there is an unfortunate consequence in 
> this case, at least on my Debian XFCE box, RG 12.04: after using 
> Rosegarden, jackd remains running, and prevents all my normal (ALSA) 
> applications' audio from working, except the handful which are 
> automatically jack-aware. This means manually terminating jack, from a 
> task manager or whatever, after each RG session; users still have to 
> manage jack, with all the attendant potential for confusion.

On my Xubuntu 11.10 I never had a problem. Rosegarden started and endet
my jackd. My .jackdrc was "/usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -r44100 -p128 -n2 -Xseq
-D -Chw:5,1 -Phw:0,1"

But since JACK has so many advantages (e.g. recording flash-sound when
running firefox to record streaming-only content in the web) I decided
that all applications should be redirected to jack. This works with the
following ~./asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf:

pcm.!default {
type plug
slave.pcm "jack"
}

pcm.jack {
type jack
playback_ports {
0 system:playback_1
1 system:playback_2
}
capture_ports {
0 system:capture_1
1 system:capture_2
}
}

My jackd is now started by qjackctl that's autonatically started by my
session manager.

I can now even record the sound that's produced by virtual machines
(VirtualBox), eg. browser sounds of a Windows-VM.

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[Rosegarden-user] show pitch bend ruler: nothing happens

2012-11-03 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

I have a segment (synth plugin) where I use pitch bend. Recording and
playing works but I can't edit the pitch bend events because I don't see
them. The button "show ptch bend ruler" can be pressed but it has no
effect. The button "show velocity ruler" works.

I can see the pitch bend events in the event editor.

I use developer snapshot 13128.

Am I doing it wrong?

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[Rosegarden-user] MIDI-notes get split

2012-11-03 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

when I record long notes then Rosegarden splits them. See
http://www.marzen.de/tmp/rg_001.png
for an example. Is there a setting to prevent that?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] show pitch bend ruler: nothing happens

2012-11-03 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012, Tom Breton (Tehom) wrote:

> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a segment (synth plugin) where I use pitch bend. Recording and
> > playing works but I can't edit the pitch bend events because I don't see
> > them. The button "show ptch bend ruler" can be pressed but it has no
> > effect. The button "show velocity ruler" works.
> 
> That is odd.  That button works for internal segments but not for synth
> segments.

Yes. Same here.

> I did a little digging, but didn't find the problem.  We do "check that
> the device supports a control parameter of this name" (in
> ControlRulerWidget::slotToggleControlRuler) but at a cursory glance, that
> check looks like it's satisfied.

216 printf("pitch bend 01\n");
217 if (!m_controlList) return;
218 printf("pitch bend 02\n");

The 2nd printf is never called. So we have no control list?

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[Rosegarden-user] fluidsynth-dssi: instance limit

2012-11-08 Thread Holger Marzen
Create 16 tracks with fluidsynth as dssi plugin, each its own
instrument. Works.

Save the .rg-file. Load it again. Instrument #16 is dead and can only be
revived with reloading fluidsynth-dssi.

Creating a 17th instrument with fluidsynth-dssi can lead to anything,
including noise and frozen Rosegarden.

Standard fluidsynth-dssi is configured with max. 16 instances, so there
might be a race condition: it can't always initialize all 16 instances.

The solution requires re-compiling fluidsynth-dssi (not the whole
fluidsynth). See
http://sourceforge.net/projects/dssi/files/fluidsynth-dssi/
and grab the latest version (1.0.0). In README there's the hint:

4. If you wish to change the maximum number of simultaneous
instances supported by FluidSynth-DSSI (currently 16), edit the
file src/fluidsynth-dssi.h and change the FSD_CHANNEL_COUNT
definition.

I set it on 25. That's perfect for Rosegarden (max. 24 synthesizer
plugin instruments plus one for the race condition).

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] MIDI-notes get split

2012-11-10 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On 11/03/2012 12:49 PM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > when I record long notes then Rosegarden splits them. See
> > http://www.marzen.de/tmp/rg_001.png
> > for an example. Is there a setting to prevent that?
> 
> Yes, but I don't remember where it is, or have time to look it up.

I found it:

Edit -> Preferences -> Notation -> [ ] When ... split-and-tie long ...

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Bad screen size with dual screen/ radeon hd 5450

2012-11-14 Thread Holger Marzen
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Delpistroumph wrote:

> Using dual screen (set up by arandr/xrandr) with XFCE4 and debian 
> wheezy, Rosegarden always open in the right screen (so not the main 
> screen) when I start it.
> The logo appears on the main screen but the window in the second one 
> (the right one).
> 
> But the real problem is if I move the window to get it back to the main 
> screen, the window size "exploze" to something like 100 measure!
> If I don't try that, but try to reduce it before, it's the same=>explose 
> to 10mesure when I try reduce the window.

I have only one screen but have to use Rosegarden maximized. Else the
window becomes tens of screens wide after I started the audio mixer
once.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Bad screen size with dual screen/ radeon hd 5450

2012-11-15 Thread Holger Marzen
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, david wrote:

> On 11/14/2012 07:08 AM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012, Delpistroumph wrote:
> >
> >> Using dual screen (set up by arandr/xrandr) with XFCE4 and debian
> >> wheezy, Rosegarden always open in the right screen (so not the main
> >> screen) when I start it.
> >> The logo appears on the main screen but the window in the second one
> >> (the right one).
> >>
> >> But the real problem is if I move the window to get it back to the main
> >> screen, the window size "exploze" to something like 100 measure!
> >> If I don't try that, but try to reduce it before, it's the same=>explose
> >> to 10mesure when I try reduce the window.
> >
> > I have only one screen but have to use Rosegarden maximized. Else the
> > window becomes tens of screens wide after I started the audio mixer
> > once.
> 
> I use RG on only one screen, on Debian Sid and XFCE4, on two different 
> systems, and don't have any such problems.

Hmmm... I switched back to non-maximized, got a wde window, resized
it and the bug seems to be gone.

Cool.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Serious MIDI recording problem

2012-12-05 Thread Holger Marzen
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Abrolag wrote:

> Also, I now have to use ./configure --with-qtlibdir /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu

On my Xubuntu 11.10 I always had to do that. Abd on 12.04 LTS I have to
do that as well.

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[Rosegarden-user] Crescendo/Decrescendo on audio tracks?

2012-12-07 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

with MIDI-tracks there is no problem doing some automation with e.g.
volume control messages. Can I automate the volume of audio tracks
(fade-in, fade-out) with Rosegarden? Maybe with MIDI-capable plugins?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crescendo/Decrescendo on audio tracks?

2012-12-07 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Brett McCoy wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Holger Marzen  wrote:
> 
> > with MIDI-tracks there is no problem doing some automation with e.g.
> > volume control messages. Can I automate the volume of audio tracks
> > (fade-in, fade-out) with Rosegarden? Maybe with MIDI-capable plugins?
> 
> I don't think Rosegarden supports automation for audio. You are better
> off using Ardour for advanced audio mixing (they both use jackd for
> synch, so you can keep your MIDI and audio in perfect synch)

Hi Brett,

but can latency compensation work with such a setup? I'd say no because
Ardour cannot know which latencies Rosegarden's plugins add and vice
versa.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crescendo/Decrescendo on audio tracks?

2012-12-07 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Tom Breton (Tehom) wrote:

> > with MIDI-tracks there is no problem doing some automation with e.g.
> > volume control messages. Can I automate the volume of audio tracks
> > (fade-in, fade-out) with Rosegarden? Maybe with MIDI-capable plugins?
> 
> I'm not aware of any capability, and I just use an external program to
> fade (sox).
> 
> I do know that if it existed, internally it would have little in common
> with MIDI volume control.

It could be an amplifier plugin that would be controlled by another
audio track's level. But I don't know if that's possible with LADSPA and
with Rosegarden.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.12 RELEASED

2012-12-10 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Brett McCoy wrote:

> Just for fun, here's a little musical score I developed this weekend
> for an animated trailer (still in production)... composed with
> Lilypond, sequenced with Rosegarden (including expression, key
> switching, etc) and recorded & mixed with Mixbus. Instrument sounds
> provided by EWQL Symphonic Orchestra (hosted on a Windows machine with
> Reaper)
> 
> https://soundcloud.com/brett-mccoy/pied-piper-trailer/s-RtqBC
> 
> I used latest SVN trunk for this, BTW.

Sounds great. Now you only need a decent orchestra soundfont to play
everything in Rosegarden (via Fluidsynth synth plugin).

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] ROSEGARDEN 12.12 RELEASED

2012-12-10 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Aere Greenway wrote:

> Thank you all for your efforts in putting out this now release of
> Rosegarden.  I look forward to getting it on the next Ubuntu release in
> April.  

Oh BTW: I ran into a nasty limitation in fluidsynth-dssi. When using 16
instruments then the last was muted after loading the .rg-file until I
reloaded the soundfount. It drove me crazy. OK. Nearly :)

It can be fixed by
#define FSD_CHANNEL_COUNT  25
(instead of 16) in fluidsynth-dssi.h before compiling.

Rosegarden can manage 24 instruments with fluidsynth-dssi and the
additional one might be needed by a race condition while initializing.

If you are or know fluidsynth-dssi's maintainer please help fixing this
issue.

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 12.12 RELEASED

2012-12-10 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Brett McCoy wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Holger Marzen  wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Brett McCoy wrote:
> >
> >> Just for fun, here's a little musical score I developed this weekend
> >> for an animated trailer (still in production)... composed with
> >> Lilypond, sequenced with Rosegarden (including expression, key
> >> switching, etc) and recorded & mixed with Mixbus. Instrument sounds
> >> provided by EWQL Symphonic Orchestra (hosted on a Windows machine with
> >> Reaper)
> >>
> >> https://soundcloud.com/brett-mccoy/pied-piper-trailer/s-RtqBC
> >>
> >> I used latest SVN trunk for this, BTW.
> >
> > Sounds great. Now you only need a decent orchestra soundfont to play
> > everything in Rosegarden (via Fluidsynth synth plugin).
> 
> I'd prefer to have decent orchestral samples for LinuxSampler but what
> is available is severely lacking compared to what is available for
> Kontakt or PLAY sample engines.

You can find the Sonatina Symphonic Orchestra at
  http://sso.mattiaswestlund.net/download.html

and the Maestro Concert Grand v2 at
  http://www.linuxsampler.org/instruments.html

Did you know them?

Best Regards
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[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden, 15/8 and 7/4

2012-12-16 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012, Abrolag wrote:

> Anyway, enough of all this, and for some light relief, here is a track I
> recorded not too long ago... 100% Rosegarden+Yoshimi, Oh, and real guitar at
> the end :)
> 
> http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Mystery.ogg

Nice piece. No-one dies, no-one cries :)

I can't play a real guitar but I have a real wife who sings.

I always wanted to record a winter/snow song. While playing around it
ended with a pattern in 15/8. A good test für Rosegarden. Problems
arouse when I changed parts inside the composition to be 7/4. Notes of
the following segments didn't sit on their exact positions. However I
managed to get them re-aligned. So Rosegarden is able to handle odd
timings, even when there are some pitfalls.

"Schnee fällt" (snow falls)
(made with Rosegarden, Fluidsynth-DSSI, Hexter, Whysynth)

http://www.myownmusic.de/player/?songid=355479

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[Rosegarden-user] Audio files: why conv-...

2012-12-24 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

to keep audio files in my project directory I always change their
path in Composition->Edit Document Properties->Audio.

But Rosegarden has some problems with recorded and deleted audio files.
Some of them are forgotten, and after a hand full of retries (record
audio, ctrl-z, redord again) Rosegarden crashes. Additionally, I cannot
play a loop and record multiple versions of an audio file.

So I have a not-too-bad workaround: Rosegarden plays the loop and I
record the audio stuff with Audacity.

That's the point where it gets a bit complicated: When I import the
audio files then Rosegarden creates a copy with prefix "conv" in its
name, although I export the wav-files in 32 Bit float. It would be
simpler if rosegarden would just read the imported wav-file instead
copying them. Is this possible?

Regards
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[Rosegarden-user] Sidechain Compressor in Rosegarden

2013-01-19 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

sc2 is a sidechain compressor from the Steve Harris LADSPA plugin suite.
Is it possible to use its sidechain in Rosegarden?

I'd like to "duck" the bass controlled by the bassdrum track.

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[Rosegarden-user] Cannot set 8 Submasters in Audio Mixer

2013-01-20 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On 01/19/2013 01:44 PM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > sc2 is a sidechain compressor from the Steve Harris LADSPA plugin suite.
> > Is it possible to use its sidechain in Rosegarden?
> 
> If YOU haven't figured it out by now, then it probably isn't.

By trying some tricks with grouping I noticed that I can't set the audio
mixer to 8 submasters. Rosegarden crashes immediately.

I think there might be a bug both with storing the value of the number
of subgroups. Rosegarden always starts with 4 subgroups, even when I
delete ~./config/rosegardenmusic. But audio mixer's Settings->Number of
Submasters always displays the button besides "No submasters". So I
guess the 4 submasters are a default value.

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Cannot set 8 Submasters in Audio Mixer

2013-01-20 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Tim Munro wrote:

> Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > By trying some tricks with grouping I noticed that I can't set the audio
> > mixer to 8 submasters. Rosegarden crashes immediately.
> 
> Hi Holger.
> 
> There is a special trick involved here.  It isn't a fix, but it works for me,
> as I've been too lazy to fix it right.
> 
> When you open the audio mixer and try to set the number of submasters, the
> control will initially indicate "No Submasters," regardless of how many
> submasters are actually present.
> 
> Click on "No Submasters" even though the control appears to indicate this
> already.  The existing submasters will disappear.
> 
> Now when you reopen the Settings menu, you should be able to set eight
> submasters.

Indeed. Works for me. Thanks for the hint.

But it would be cool if someone could fix this UI-type bug.

Now the only¹ things that I need are:

- latency compensiation bug "off be one" fixed
- latency compensation for audio tracks
- effect send/return for evil audio tricks

A negative time offset per track would be cool but that can be achieved
as well with the "artificial latency" LASPA plugin.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Sidechain Compressor in Rosegarden

2013-01-20 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On 01/19/2013 01:44 PM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > sc2 is a sidechain compressor from the Steve Harris LADSPA plugin suite.
> > Is it possible to use its sidechain in Rosegarden?
> 
> If YOU haven't figured it out by now, then it probably isn't.
> 
> We don't really have an audio guy on staff right now either, so the 
> chances of getting anything done without third party help are slim to none.

OK, I am half way there:

- Bass drum panned to left, routed to a submaster
- Bass panned to right, routed to the same submaster
- sc2 compressor as plugin in the submaster
  attack time minimum
  release time 80 ms
  threshold minimum
  ration max
  makeup gain 12

Now a ducked bass is on the left but a unchanged bass on the right.
So I have to look for a mixer plugin to discard the right side and pan
the left side to the middle.

Did I say that we need at least some send/return stuff? :)

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[Rosegarden-user] Time-Offsets

2013-01-22 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

unfortunately some synth plugin's sounds (sample based soundfonts) are
"slow" so I have to pull them some milliseconds back in the timeline. It
would be sooo fine if I could use Rosegarden's Delay per track. +- one
second in milliseconds steps would be perfect.

Without that feature I have to mark all segments on a track, zoom to
2000% and move the segments mit shift+mouse. Alt-left is too coarse.
Editing start of the segment (Segment->Set start time) puts all the
marked segments at the same position.

The disadvantage of shifting the segments: You can't edit them
afterwards since the notes are not on their old positions anymore (e.g.
exact 1/8 pos.). So you have to remember the shift amount, shift them
back to a position in the "raster", edit them and shift them again.

This would also be a good workaround for the missing latency
compensation for audio tracks.

Any chance for this feature?

For "Regentag" I had to shift the two 808 style drum sounds I composed
the snare drum sound of.

Shifted segments (track SN and SN2):
http://www.marzen.de/tmp/rg1.jpg

Note in a shifted segment not exactly on the grid anymore, that's the way
Rosegarden handles shifted segments:
http://www.marzen.de/tmp/rg2.jpg

The song:
http://www.myownmusic.de/player/?songid=346530

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-26 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, Abrolag wrote:

> For Michael and the other long-suffering devs.
> 
> I've just completed a project that uses Rosegarden to drive two instances of
> Yoshimi at a total of 32 different instruments for 8 minutes. It is intended 
> to
> be a demo of Yoshimi's capabilities, but I thought you'd like to know about it
> as it's also a demo of Rosegarden at the same time.
> 
> The entire project was built up relying mostly on melodic parts played in real
> time with some editing later. Arps and chord stabs were also recorded live, 
> but
> unfortunately I had to quantise some of these as my playing wasn't regular
> enough - particularly on the longer sections where these old fingers are
> getting a little stiff :(

I like it an think of a children's dream :)

But there's something I must say because I hear some latency issues.
Most music I encounter that's made with Rosegarden or other Open Source
Software avoids instruments that need exact timings. I don't know if
it's caused by lacking/faulty latency compensation. But it's an
important thing, at least for me. It's easy to imagine that many
musicians tried Open Source software and ran away when they noticed that
it doesn't sound as exact and doesn't get the groove as in commercial
sowftare.

That's bad.

Unfortunately I can't do C++ and doesn't understand the internal
concepts of Rosegarden. But I think it's damn important that

- we get the off-by-one latency compensation bug in subgroups fixed
- we get the missing "audio tracks don't get latency compensated at all" 
  feature added
- we get a positive/negative time offset in milliseconds per track
  added or at least a milliseconds entry field, so I could delay every
  track by 100 ms and use e.g. 90 ms as a substitue for -10 ms.

That would Rosegarden make an outstanding DAW. Its track concept and its
matrix and drum editors are already very good. It's (for me) much more
important to get these bugs fixed than to add LV2 plugin capability or
audio automation.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Encouragement

2013-01-27 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

> On 26/01/13 19:35, Holger Marzen wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Jan 2013, Abrolag wrote:
> >
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I encounter that's made with Rosegarden or other Open Source
> > Software avoids instruments that need exact timings.
> 
> Sure it's so general? Isn't this doable by setting JACK latency low? I 
> thinking of Rosegarden doing only midi and hooking instruments (e.g. 
> fluidsynth) through alsa-midi etc.

It's noticable when using effect plugins.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Latency

2013-01-29 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Abrolag wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:25:02 +0100 (CET)
> Holger Marzen  wrote:
> 
> The most extreme example I know of is fast lookahead limiting. It side-chains
> a control signal then delays the main path (typically about 20mS) in order to
> apparently perform time travel and start to adjust the level before the spike
> hits.
> 
> The integrated DAWS you get with Windows and Apple have default, fixed sets of
> effects that they know the precise conditions of and can therefore actually
> advance recorded tracks based on this precise knowledge. Try using unknown
> plugins and the situation changes.
> 
> Without knowing the precise details of every effect you could plug in
> Rosegarden has no hope of doing this. In practice I've never found it a 
> problem
> as it is easy to just jog a track left or right until it is correct.
> 
> There is also a pseudo-latency effect you can get if you mix slow attack 
> sounds
> with fast attack ones (something I do a lot of). I find that usually just one
> 'Jog Left' in the matrix viewer is enough - thank you very much whoever had
> that bright idea!

There are JACK-routines that report latency. E.g. the graphical
multiband EQ has some noticeble latency. Rosegarden handles this
already. Kudos to the developers!

- But there is an off-by-one bug in latency compensation in subgroups

- Audio tracks don't get latency compensated (delayed) at all:
  1.) Set up a synth plugin track
  2.) Record vocals and align them, so they are in sync
  3.) Add artificial latancy plugin to the synth plugin track, e.g. 500
  ms
  4.) Audio track is out of sync.

These are real annoying bugs because I have to align each audio snippet
when adding plugins to synth plugin tracks. Maybe (I am no god and don't
know everything) this is the reason I hardly encounter pop-like songs
recorded with Rosegarden where we have drums and bass that have to be
aligned together with vocals.

The bugs are:

- 1358  Latency Compensation Bug in Subgroups
- 1360  Latency Compensation for Audio Tracks

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Latency

2013-01-29 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013, Holger Marzen wrote:


> - Audio tracks don't get latency compensated (delayed) at all:

Forget this bad example. I caught a severe cold and my head is a bunch of
a mess.

>   1.) Set up a synth plugin track
>   2.) Record vocals and align them, so they are in sync
>   3.) Add artificial latancy plugin to the synth plugin track, e.g. 500
>   ms
>   4.) Audio track is out of sync.

Use that description:
http://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1360/



Test scenario:
- 1 drum track with fluid synth
- 1 audio track with the recorded drum track, aligned to perfec sync
- LADSPA plugin with noticable latency, e.g. autotalent or 4 instances of 
multiband eq

fluid synth track without plugin
audio track without plugin
-> perfect sync

fluid track without plugin
audio track with plugin
-> perfect sync

fluid track with plugins
audio track with plugins
-> perfect sync

fluid track with plugins
audio track without plugin
-> latency between both tracks, drums not perfectly in sync

So it looks as if there's no delay for an audio instrument added when
latency on a synth module instrument is detected.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio Distros

2013-02-21 Thread Holger Marzen
On Thu, 21 Feb 2013, David Tisdell wrote:

> I use Rosegarden to teach composition to middle school students. For a long
> time, I used Studio64 but it wasn't being updated and I was running into
> driver issues on new hardware installations. In August, I installed XUbuntu
> and added all of the music programs I use but have been really unhappy with
> Ubuntu. There have been stability issues and frequent loss of communication
> to software synthesizers. Before I do my next round of compositions, I want
> to ditch Ubuntu.
> 
> Does anyone have a recommendation for an audio distro? Remember, I am doing
> this with middle school student so stability and consistency are paramount.
> Personally, I have been a suse person for several years but there are a
> couple of quirks to doing digital audio and MIDI on suse that I don't mind
> dealing with myself but don't want to spring on my students.

Hi David,

I use Xubuntu 12.04 and I am happy with it. My interface is a Focusrite
Scarlett 2i2. There are no stability issues. I use the synths as
DSSI-modules (fluidsynth, hexter, whysynth) for minimum latency and easy
storing/restoring their settings.

- I use the distribution's kernel source with the following tweaks
  for minimum latency:

  make menuconfig
Processor type and features
  Preemption Model: Low-Latency Desktop
  Timer Frequency: 1000 HZ
  make-kpkg clean
  fakeroot make-kpkg -j 4 --initrd --revision=1.0.hm kernel_image kernel_headers

  Then I have 2 .deb-packages that I install with dpkg -i

- I tweak fluidsynth-dssi to run it on 24 instruments at once
  in dssi.h
  #define FSD_CHANNEL_COUNT  25

- I tweak hexter
  in src/hexter.h
  #define HEXTER_DEFAULT_POLYPHONY  32

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] metronome question

2013-02-24 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Stefan Thomas wrote:

> Dear community,
> I'm using rosegarden, version 12.04.
> I have the following question:
> Is it possible, during a recording, to let the metronome 2 bars count,
> before the recording starts?
> I've been searching for this option, but I didn't find it!

Neither did I. I start recording some bars before.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] metronome question

2013-02-24 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Stefan Thomas wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear community,
> > > I'm using rosegarden, version 12.04.
> > > I have the following question:
> > > Is it possible, during a recording, to let the metronome 2 bars count,
> > > before the recording starts?
> > > I've been searching for this option, but I didn't find it!
> 
> Yes this is possible. You can find it in the menu:
> 
>   Edit -> Preferences -> Number of count-in measures before reccording

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[Rosegarden-user] How does Rosegarden in action look like?

2013-04-20 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

I made a little screencast to show Rosegarden, its mixer, Hexter,
Whysynth, Fluidsynth and Jamin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0JRKMe-mPA

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How does Rosegarden in action look like?

2013-04-21 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013, Holger Marzen wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I made a little screencast to show Rosegarden, its mixer, Hexter,
> Whysynth, Fluidsynth and Jamin.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0JRKMe-mPA

I replaced it by http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQ7lPWJhcQ and opened
more dialog boxes to show Rosegarden's different editors.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How does Rosegarden in action look like?

2013-04-21 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013, Julie S wrote:

> Hello Holger,
> 
> I like them both for different reasons:
> First take: Had the full song (which I really liked, BTW)
> Second Take: You did some the other RG screens in action.
> 
> I thought either was acceptable, but if you feel inspired for round three, 
> here is my take:
> * Play whole song
> * Show some more of Jamin
> * Along with some single segment in editor views, maybe
> ** Select multiple adjacent segments for the editor views
> ** Select vertically aligned segments from different tracks for the editor 
> views
> 
> ...or just your video like it is.

Hi Julie,

thank you, but my next "endboss" is html5/webm and stereo sound.

- recordmydesktop has some issues with jack. I cannot record both
  channels. AFAIK there is a parsing issue.

- Webm-format is needed to play the video without a Flash-plugin in
  Firefox and Opera.

So I managed to mix the video and the audio-file altogether with
kdenlive and get a webm-video that can be played inside a recent Firefox
and Opera. To get that format you have to join the HTML5-test at
http://www.youtube.com/html5 and go to the webm-video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_yThxOaUQs

But Opera shows a black area and Firefox tells me that it cannot play
the video. Without joining the HTML5-test I get at least stereo sound.

Maybe I did something wrong uploading the video.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How does Rosegarden in action look like?

2013-04-21 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013, Holger Marzen wrote:

> So I managed to mix the video and the audio-file altogether with
> kdenlive and get a webm-video that can be played inside a recent Firefox
> and Opera. To get that format you have to join the HTML5-test at
> http://www.youtube.com/html5 and go to the webm-video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_yThxOaUQs
> 
> But Opera shows a black area and Firefox tells me that it cannot play
> the video. Without joining the HTML5-test I get at least stereo sound.

It's crazy. After I switched my caching proxy squid off and on it works.

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[Rosegarden-user] LADSPA-plugin with receiving JACK-port?

2013-06-08 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

Rosegarden know no real send/receive but at least it has some poor man's
send: It can open an outgoing JACK port for each instrument and
submaster. Unfortunately there is no receiving port, e.g. in submasters
so I would have to cascade an external JACK mixer to put it all
together.

But if only there was a LADSPA-plugin that would open a receiving JACK
port then I could insert it in a submaster and feed the external signal
(e.g. an effect in an LV2 plugin in LV2rack) back.

Does anyone know of such a LADSPA-plugin?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] System freezes when using hr timer

2013-06-18 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013, aCOSwt wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> - Using Rosegarden 13.04
> - jackd 0.121.3 running SCHED_FIFO
> - alsa
> - Whatever linux kernel : 2.6.38 / 3.4.43 / 3.8.13
> - Whatever patchset : None / ck / CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT
> - All kernel configs with : CONFIG_SND_HRTIMER and 
> CONFIG_SND_SEQ_HRTIMER_DEFAULT set.
> 
> Everything audio / midi related works fine.
> 
> HOWEVER 
> 
> As soon as I depress the apply button after changing the midi clock source 
> from "auto" to "HR timer", my system entirely freezes and the hardware reset 
> is the only solution left.
> 
> What am I doing wrong ? What should I investigate ?

It's not Rosegarden's fault. It's simply a Bug in ALSA - the kernel
part, as far as I know. Unfortunately there's nothing what we can do to
fix it.

> BTW : What is the clock source actually used by Rosegarden when (auto) is 
> selected ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> aCOSwt

I don't know but you can prepare your Linux system best when you use a
"lowlatency" kernel. Some distributions offer one.

If the kernel version you prefer doesn't offer a lowlatency one you can
build your own.

- Get the source (preferably the same version of your running kernel)
- Unpack the source
- cd to the source
- cp /boot/config- .config
- make oldconfig
- make menuconfig
  Processor type and features
Preemption Model: Low-Latency Desktop
Timer Frequency: 1000 HZ

The rest depends on your distribution. Debian and Ubuntu create a
kernel- and a header-package with:

make-kpkg clean
fakeroot make-kpkg -j 4 --initrd --revision=1.0.hm kernel_image kernel_headers

(-j 4 is an acceleration for CPUs with 4 cores)

If you are a latency freak like me you can hear a slightly better
timing.

If your system offers Turboboost then switch it off in your BIOS. Else
the timing can be unstable. Speedstep can keep activated, it doesn't
harm.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] fluidsynth dssi bug

2013-10-24 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Brian Clem wrote:

> At least that is what I was working on.  Setting my synth instruments and
> then saving the default studio file.  All synths were Fluidsynth dssi.  1-
> 24.  I assigned each number to a different sf2 I have saved in my dropbox
> on every computer so the setup will be the same when working.  A quick
> start every time when working.  But it failed when using all 24 spots.
> Here is the info.
> 
> Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.

I didn't have a crash but muted voices. My solution was to increase
FSD_CHANNEL_COUNT in fluidsynth-dssi.h to the desired number of
instances/instruments plus 1. Don't ask me why plus 1. I often stumble
over off-by-ones.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ZynAddSubFX plugin instrument sorting

2013-10-28 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013, m.tarenskeen wrote:

> zynaddsubfx-dssi exists. I have seen packages for Ubuntu and Fedora.
> I have not yet tried it as a plugin. I think it is sound-only, without the 
> GUI?
> I 'm sure someone who has tried can tell more?

I found it somewhere and tried it. It's not fully functional because one
of the programmer told me there were too many difficulties to get th
padsynth part working.

So it's a slightly crippled version that's missing the smooth pad
sounds.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A song? Maybe :)

2014-04-29 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, Abrolag wrote:

> Recently I remixed a song I recorded quite a few years ago, and it suddenly
> dawned on my that it's rather appropriate for our long-suffering dev. Michael.
> So, here it is (sorry the singing is a bit wobbly).
> 
> http://soundcloud.com/soft-sounds/the-storm/download

Melancholic and nice voice. I like it.

> Incidentally, I wounder if folk here know that there is a Rosegarden group on
> soundcloud.

When I was on Soundcloud I remember this group but there wasn't much
activity if I remember correctly.

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Midi Input Transformer / Midi Input Filter

2014-06-19 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, Newbasic wrote:

> What I need and what I am looking for is the exact Rosegarden function 
> of this recording filter but outside the record-mode.
> I hope I have make myself clear. I want to be cabable to play my split 
> keyboard while Rosegarden is not in record-mode.
> 
> The problem is, that Rosegarden only use the "Recording Filter"while 
> recording/in  record-mode. Is it possible to use this filter while 
> record-mode is off? Or is it possible to adapt this filter to be a 
> "InputFilter" ?

Maybe an lv2-host like lv2-host and the Midifilter-lv2 can help you.
Qjackctl will help you re-wireing the inputs/outputs.

See http://x42.github.io/midifilter.lv2/ for more information to the
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] snd-rtctimer

2014-07-13 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, German wrote:

> Hello list. Just installed Rosegarden. However when I start it, it says: 
> "Rosegarden was unable to find a high-resolution
> timing source for MIDI performance." It then advice me to load the module, 
> modeprobe snd-rtctimer. However I don't have such a module on this system. 
> How serious is this? Thanks

Use a Kernel with HZ1000 set. Those kernel packages have usually
"lowlatency" in their name. The message vanishes then.

Lowlatency kernels are good both for Rosegarden and for JACK.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] snd-rtctimer

2014-07-15 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

> > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014, German wrote:
> >
> >> Hello list. Just installed Rosegarden. However when I start it, it says:
> >> "Rosegarden was unable to find a high-resolution
> >> timing source for MIDI performance." It then advice me to load the
> >> module, modeprobe snd-rtctimer. However I don't have such a module on
> >> this system. How serious is this? Thanks
> >
> > Use a Kernel with HZ1000 set. Those kernel packages have usually
> > "lowlatency" in their name. The message vanishes then.
> >
> > Lowlatency kernels are good both for Rosegarden and for JACK.
> >
> 
> Unfortunately they tend NOT TO WORK with proprietary graphics drivers from
> AMD/ATI and NVidia.

Don't confuse them with realtime kernels. Lowlatency kernels are just
configured differently, not patched.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] RG incorrectly plays all notes of all instruments in sequence one after the other instead of simultaneously as it should be played.

2014-07-26 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Shaun Smith wrote:

> My RG plays all notes of all instruments one at a time in sequence, instead
> of simultaneously as it should be. Even chords are played in sequence
> instead of all the notes being played at the same time, as they should be,
> please help.

Can you send me the rg-file? My first approach would check if my
Rosegarden plays it correctly.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden DSSI plug-in synthesizers open and editor issues

2014-09-07 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 6 Sep 2014, David Christensen wrote:

> rosegarden-user:
> 
> I've attempted to use Rosegarden using default Linux distribution binary 
> packages on:
> 
> a.  Debian Wheezy (12.04).
> 
> b.  Fedora 20 (13.10).
> 
> 
> In both cases, I've run into problems with DSSI plug-in synthesizers:
> 
> 1.  For multi-track Rosegarden projects on both Debian and Fedora, if I 
> assign a track to a DSSI plug-in synthesizer instrument, save the 
> Rosegarden project, close Rosegarden, start Rosegarden, and then open 
> the project, things look okay in the top-level Rosegarden window, but 
> when I play the music I get wrong instruments.  For example, I arranged 
> J.S. Bach's Invention No. 8 for two violins and two cellos.  When I open 
> and play the project, I hear two violins, one cello, and one piano.

One problem I ran into was:

Synth plugins are not assigned to tracks. They are assigned to
instruments. So be sure that each track has a different instrument
assigned. A good apporach is: Track 1, instrument 1. Track 2, instrument
2. And so on.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden DSSI plug-in synthesizers open and editor issues

2014-09-07 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 7 Sep 2014, David Christensen wrote:

> On 09/07/2014 12:15 AM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> > Synth plugins are not assigned to tracks. They are assigned to
> > instruments. So be sure that each track has a different instrument
> > assigned. A good apporach is: Track 1, instrument 1. Track 2, instrument
> > 2. And so on.
> 
> That's how I did it.

OK, then it could be
- a buggy synth plugin
- a buggy Rosegarden

I never ran into this problem. One thing that can't hurt is to compile a
recent Rosegarden. That's not too difficult.

Another approach is using another softsynth, e.g. fluidsynth-dssi with
the FluidR3_GM.sf2 soundfont.

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)

2014-09-08 Thread Holger Marzen
On Mon, 8 Sep 2014, Pierre Bruynooghe wrote:

> When I try to compile the last version of rosegarden, the operation failed
> during the ./configure with a message explaining that jack is no found.
> Jack is installed on my Gentoo distrib, et I have the /usr/bin/jackd.
> Moreover, all dependencies are installed on my machine. What option I must
> use for the ./configure ? Regards.

You need not only jack but also the *-dev packages. On my Xubuntu 12.04
the package is called libjack-jackd2-dev.

The latest and greatest version is in SVN

I fetch and compile it on my 64 bit system like this:

svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/rosegarden/code/trunk/rosegarden
cd rosegarden
sh ./bootstrap.sh
./configure --with-qtlibdir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
make -j4 # if you have 4 cores, or simply "make"
sudo make install

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)

2014-09-09 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014, Pierre Bruynooghe wrote:

> Here is th config.log : http://pastebin.com/GNQ5Ybhh
> Pierre

Bonjour Pierre,

the most important line is:

configure:6265: WARNING: Required JACK library not found, building with no 
audio!

In the file "configure" I find:
pkg-config --exists --print-errors "jack >= 0.100"

That's probably the cause. Please run
  pkg-config --exists --print-errors "jack >= 0.100" ; echo $?
in a terminal.

I am not experienced with that pkg-config stuff. But your jack might
lack a file for pkg-config.

  pkg-config --list-all | grep jack
would be interesting as well.

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[Rosegarden-user] Spread the word with a screencast

2014-10-21 Thread Holger Marzen
Hi all,

the Screencast I made some time ago has been placed onto
http://www.libremusicproduction.com/tools/rosegarden

(Don't beat me, I made a screencast of a Qtractor session on this
site, too. :)

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Spread the word with a screencast

2014-10-21 Thread Holger Marzen
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Abrolag wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:16:37 +0200 (CEST)
> Holger Marzen  wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > the Screencast I made some time ago has been placed onto
> > http://www.libremusicproduction.com/tools/rosegarden
> > 
> > (Don't beat me, I made a screencast of a Qtractor session on this
> > site, too. :)
> > 
> > Regards
> > Holger
> 
> Excellent work (good song too).
> 
> What screen recorder did you use? I've been wanting to do the same thing with
> Rosegarden and Yoshimi for some time now.

I don't remember. It was something that only recorded one audio channel,
so I had to glue the video and the song together.

What definitely works (yes, with jack, too!) is SimpleScreenRecorder:
http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Remembering LinuxSampler configuration?

2014-12-14 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014, Anton Curl wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> 
> I try to use RoseGarden with LinuxSampler DSSI plugin.
> 
> Currently, I run RoseGarden and add LinuxSampler plugins in the synth 
> plugins manager.
> New tracks then appear in LinuxSampler interface (QSampler of Fantasia).
> I set the instruments and get sound.
> 
> To save my session, I have to save in Rosegarden and in LinuxSamplers 
> interface.
> Furthermore, I have to delete some lines of the *.lscp file, otherwise, 
> it doesn't work when I load it next time (I think it would be even 
> quicker to write it manually).
> 
> But I found a video of a user running Ardour3 with LinuxSampler LV2 plugin:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5C65LvZ7ws
> 
> He close Ardour while saving his session, but he close QSampler without 
> saving anything. And when he re-open Ardour, his instruments are 
> automatically loaded.
> 
> Is this possible to have this behaviour in RoseGarden? Did I miss something?

You're right. I tested it on Rosegarden 14.10 with linuxsampler-dssi.
Rosegarden doesn't setup linuxsamlper-dssi when loading the rg-file. I
can't find some configuration to restore the soundfont in my .rg-file,
either.

It would be fine if Qsampler or Fantasia was only needed for the initial
setup (loading soundfonts) and if Rosegarden saved and restored
linuxsampler-dssi's settings.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB audio interface

2015-09-03 Thread Holger Marzen
On Wed, 2 Sep 2015, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> I came up with the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 after spending a few hours 
> researching my options.  It was reported working as far back as 2012, 
> and nothing since then gave me pause.  I like their attitude toward 
> Linux, which seems to be, in a nutshell, "We don't support Linux, but if 
> anybody is writing a driver for Linux, here are some technical details 
> for you."
> 
> http://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2
> 
> I haven't done any real work with the interface yet, but my first 
> impressions are really positive.  I plugged it in, and it worked.

It's absolutely reliable. I use it via jackd all the time, even when
listening to music or watching videos. I configured pulseaudio to use
jacks, so everything works. The 2i2 runs for hours and hours without
making trouble (like my old M-Audio Fast Track Pro which started
cyloning).

But the 2i2 doesn't have a mixer. No problem, I hear you say, we have
jack_mixer. Yes, we have, but how do we tell all the jack-clients to
connect to the mixer's input instead of system:playback?

Don't cry in despair, there is a solution: jack.plumbing
If jack.plumbing is active and its ruleset is carefully crafted, then
the magic can happen and jack.plumbing disconnects jack-clients from
system:playback and connects them to jack_mixer.

Take this ~/.jack_mixer

-- snip --







-- snap --

And then take this ~/.jack.plumbing

-- snip --
(connect"alsa-jack\..*jackP\..*:out_000" "jack_mixer:ALSA L")
(connect"alsa-jack\..*jackP\..*:out_001" "jack_mixer:ALSA R")
(disconnect "alsa-jack\..*jackP\..*:out_.*" "system:playback_.*")

(connect"Clementine:out_jackaudiosink-.*_1" "jack_mixer:JACK L")
(connect"Clementine:out_jackaudiosink-.*_2" "jack_mixer:JACK R")
(disconnect "Clementine:out_jackaudiosink-.*" "system:playback_.*")

(connect"Qtractor:Master/out_1" "jack_mixer:JACK L")
(connect"Qtractor:Master/out_2" "jack_mixer:JACK R")
(disconnect "Qtractor:Master/out_.*" "system:playback_.*")

(connect"rosegarden:master out L" "jack_mixer:JACK L")
(connect"rosegarden:master out R" "jack_mixer:JACK R")
(disconnect "rosegarden:master out .*" "system:playback_.*")

(connect"MPlayer.*:out_0" "jack_mixer:ALSA L")
(connect"MPlayer.*:out_1" "jack_mixer:ALSA R")
(disconnect "MPlayer.*:out_.*" "system:playback_.*")

(connect"PortAudio:out_.*[02468]" "jack_mixer:JACK L")
(connect"PortAudio:out_.*[13579]" "jack_mixer:JACK R")
(disconnect "PortAudio:out_.*" "system:playback_.*")

(connect"PulseAudio.*:front-left"  "jack_mixer:PULSE L")
(connect"PulseAudio.*:front-right" "jack_mixer:PULSE R")
(disconnect "PulseAudio.*:front-.*" "system:playback_.*")

(connect "jack_mixer:MAIN L" "system:playback_1")
(connect "jack_mixer:MAIN R" "system:playback_2")
-- snap --

Start jack_mixer, start jack.plumbing and let the magic work :)

The next time uncle Holger will tell you how you can move and resize
windows automagically (even to workspaces) with gdevilspie and devilspie
:)

Regards
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] RoseGarden with Plug-Ins -- stability

2015-11-29 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> The stability of RoseGarden with its plug-ins is pretty good.  The
> following was recently done using only RoseGarden plug-ins (on Debian
> Squeeze):
> 
> ftp://www.hydrophones.com/Mozart-K488--88p2kHz.flac
> 
> It is almost a half hour long and beat the living daylights out of the
> plug-in functionality.
> 
> I always did a save before changing a plug-in.  I did get a few crashes
> but not always on the same plug-in (e.g. the plug-in could be used on
> another track and worked just fine).  As far as I could tell, in this
> large practical example, no RoseGarden plug-in crashed consistently, and
> running into a crash was a rare event.

Great. For the first 11 minutes I thought it's mixed down to mono :)

What plugins did you use? How many subgroups? Did you use an external
mixer or plugin host?

My experience is similar: No problems with plugins. But deleting audio
clips was "dangerous". Most Rosegarden users don't seem to do much with
audio clips.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 15.12 RELEASED

2016-01-01 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Abrolag wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:32:09 -0500
> "D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:
> 
> > == ROSEGARDEN 15.12, codename "Peace" RELEASED ==
> > 
> > The Rosegarden team is pleased to announce the release of version 15.12 
> > of Rosegarden, an audio and MIDI sequencer and musical notation editor 
> > for Linux.
> > 
> > http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
> > 
> > Rosegarden rounds out 2015 with a new CMake build system and several bug 
> > fixes contributed by David Faure of KDE.  The new build system preserves 
> > the best features of the previous system, while adding out-of-source 
> > builds, and the ability to compile with Qt 4 or Qt 5.  (Qt 5 builds are 
> > functional, but do have some problems.  We encourage you to give a Qt 5 
> > build a try and report bugs, but package maintainers and production 
> > users should stick with Qt 4 for the time being.)
> 
> Thanks for the New Year's present. I shall unwrap it soon :)

On my Xubuntu 12.10 LTS I have to tweak CMakeLists.txt:
- change cmake_minimum_required to (VERSION 2.8.7)
  Is that high required version really neccessary?
- set(USE_QT4 true)
  It doesn't detect that I don't have qt5

But all this tweaking doesn't help. When I open the file dialog
Rosegarden crashed.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 15.12 RELEASED

2016-01-01 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On 01/01/2016 03:06 PM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > On my Xubuntu 12.10 LTS I have to tweak CMakeLists.txt:
> > - change cmake_minimum_required to (VERSION 2.8.7)
> >Is that high required version really neccessary?
> 
> Setting the cmake minimum version was a trade-off between supporting old 
> distros and features that were painful to avoid.  I don't remember the 
> details, but there was an elaborate discussion over a couple of weeks 
> where I pushed to get this set lower and lower, and David reworked 
> things at my request.  He was a very good sport about this, but I could 
> only push the founder of KDE so far in support of obsolete technology.
> 
> The bright side is that obtaining new versions of CMake for old distros 
> is rather easy.  Go to https://cmake.org/download/ and if you grab an 
> appropriate pre-compiled binary for your architecture, it should work 
> fine.  If not, it's much easier to compile than Rosegarden.  I used to 
> have to do this myself, years ago.  In the end, I remembered that 
> precedent from the past, and felt better about requiring such a recent 
> CMake version.

Yep, was no big thing and works now without any tweaks in
CMakeLists.txt.

Unfortunately Rosegarden still crashes when trying to open a file. It
crashes before opening the file dialog.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 15.12 RELEASED

2016-01-01 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On 01/01/2016 05:41 PM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> 
> > Unfortunately Rosegarden still crashes when trying to open a file. It
> > crashes before opening the file dialog.
> 
> Stack trace?


#0  0x7f8114121ee8 in xmlParserInputBufferCreateFilename () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxml2.so.2
#1  0x7f81141a77c5 in xmlNewTextReaderFilename () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxml2.so.2
#2  0x7f8109b61470 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnomevfs-2.so.0
#3  0x7f8109b61862 in gnome_vfs_mime_get_value () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnomevfs-2.so.0
#4  0x7f810a6d2085 in gnome_icon_lookup () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnomeui-2.so.0
#5  0x7f810a6d261d in gnome_icon_lookup_sync () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnomeui-2.so.0
#6  0x7f811b702120 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#7  0x7f811b9314dd in QFileIconProvider::icon(QFileInfo const&) const () 
from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#8  0x7f811b871a84 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#9  0x7f811b86adc8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#10 0x7f811c000446 in QObject::event(QEvent*) () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4
#11 0x7f811b86399e in QFileSystemModel::event(QEvent*) () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#12 0x7f811b369894 in QApplicationPrivate::notify_helper(QObject*, QEvent*) 
()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#13 0x7f811b36e713 in QApplication::notify(QObject*, QEvent*) () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#14 0x7f811c8f9e6e in Rosegarden::RosegardenApplication::notify(QObject*, 
QEvent*) ()
at 
/home/hm/src/rosegarden/rosegarden-14436.bad/src/gui/application/RosegardenApplication.cpp:135
#15 0x7f811bfe6e9c in QCoreApplication::notifyInternal(QObject*, QEvent*) ()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4
#16 0x7f811bfeac6a in QCoreApplicationPrivate::sendPostedEvents(QObject*, 
int, QThreadData*) ()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4
#17 0x7f811c015f93 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4
#18 0x7f8117d58d13 in g_main_context_dispatch () from 
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#19 0x7f8117d59060 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#20 0x7f8117d59124 in g_main_context_iteration () from 
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#21 0x7f811c0163bf in 
QEventDispatcherGlib::processEvents(QFlags) ()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4
#22 0x7f811b411d9e in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#23 0x7f811bfe5c82 in 
QEventLoop::processEvents(QFlags) ()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4
#24 0x7f811bfe5ed7 in 
QEventLoop::exec(QFlags) ()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4
#25 0x7f811b8399b6 in QDialog::exec() () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#26 0x7f811c6f1eba in Rosegarden::FileDialog::getOpenFileName(QWidget*, 
QString const&, QString const&, QString const&, QString*, 
QFlags) ()
at 
/home/hm/src/rosegarden/rosegarden-14436.bad/src/gui/widgets/FileDialog.cpp:131
#27 0x7f811c91c72f in Rosegarden::RosegardenMainWindow::slotFileOpen() ()
at 
/home/hm/src/rosegarden/rosegarden-14436.bad/src/gui/application/RosegardenMainWindow.cpp:1999
#28 0x7f811cc0e07d in 
Rosegarden::RosegardenMainWindow::qt_static_metacall(QObject*, 
QMetaObject::Call, int, void**) ()
at 
/home/hm/src/rosegarden/rosegarden-14436.bad/build/src/moc_RosegardenMainWindow.cpp:499
#29 0x7f811bffb281 in QMetaObject::activate(QObject*, QMetaObject const*, 
int, void**) ()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4
#30 0x7f811b363132 in QAction::triggered(bool) () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#31 0x7f811b36331f in QAction::activate(QAction::ActionEvent) () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#32 0x7f811b738dca in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#33 0x7f811b73907c in QAbstractButton::mouseReleaseEvent(QMouseEvent*) () 
from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#34 0x7f811b7f665a in QToolButton::mouseReleaseEvent(QMouseEvent*) () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#35 0x7f811b3ba144 in QWidget::event(QEvent*) () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#36 0x7f811b369894 in QApplicationPrivate::notify_helper(QObject*, QEvent*) 
()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#37 0x7f811b36f0bf in QApplication::notify(QObject*, QEvent*) () from 
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so.4
#38 0x7f811c8f9e6e in Rosegarden::RosegardenApplication::notify(QObject*, 
QEvent*) ()
at 
/home/hm/src/rosegarden/rosegarden-14436.bad/src/gui/application/RosegardenApplication.cpp:135
#39 0x7f811bfe6e9c in QCoreApplication::notifyInternal(QObject*, QEvent*) ()
   from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/

Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 15.12 RELEASED

2016-01-02 Thread Holger Marzen
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 01/01/2016 06:15 PM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> >>> Unfortunately Rosegarden still crashes when trying to open a file. It
> >>> crashes before opening the file dialog.
> >
> > #14 0x7f811c8f9e6e in 
> > Rosegarden::RosegardenApplication::notify(QObject*, QEvent*) ()
> >  at 
> > /home/hm/src/rosegarden/rosegarden-14436.bad/src/gui/application/RosegardenApplication.cpp:135
> 
>Rebuild all?
> 
>Strange problems like this can be caused by a messed up build.  I was 
> having some really weird problems a few days ago.  A reboot and rebuild 
> cleared them up.
> 
>If you haven't tried that, it might be worth a shot.  The full 
> procedure might be something like:
> 
> 1. Reboot.
> 2. Grab a new copy of the source.
> 3. Build and test.

Same effect. I chatted with FalkTX, maintainer of KXStudio, and he had a
similar effect. Rosegarden didn't crash when opening the file dialog but
freezed.

I'll ask him if he's still encountering that freeze.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] File Open Crash: gnome_vfs_mime_get_value

2016-01-02 Thread Holger Marzen
On Sat, 2 Jan 2016, Ted Felix wrote:

> On 01/01/2016 05:41 PM, Holger Marzen wrote:
> > Unfortunately Rosegarden still crashes when trying to open a file. It
> > crashes before opening the file dialog.
> 
>I'm guessing it's libraries.
> 
> #3  0x7f8109b61862 in gnome_vfs_mime_get_value () from 
> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnomevfs-2.so.0
> 
> Googling on "gnome_vfs_mime_get_value" leads to this similar report from 
> 2012:
> 
>https://github.com/OpenMS/OpenMS/issues/393
> 
> It indicates that the problem for them was with incompatible versions of 
> zlib.  rg uses zlib, so this might be it.  A recent upgrade to your 
> machine might have introduced a new version of zlib, or some other 
> library that is causing trouble.

But why does Rosegarden SVN 14300 (with old build system) compile and
run fine on my system? I fetched and compiled it today.

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