[Rosegarden-user] Lyric space
(Note: I am using Rosegarden 12 instead of the latest version because that is what is supported on my Debian Wheezy based computer. If this problem is solved in a later version of Rosegarden, I will look (harder) into ways to upgrade.) My problem is this--in some songs, when I add lyrics, there is not enough space for the lyrics (that is, for each syllable or measure) so words or syllables are cut off and not displayed and/or overwritten (and therefore garbled). (This being on the Notation display, the one that displays musical notes and lyrics (if present).) I did find the spacing "control" and adjusting it does improve the situation, but even on the song I'm looking at now, 220% does not eliminate the problem. I can email the particular song to anyone that is interested--iirc, I got the MIDI part from someone on the Internet, which had the lyrics in a separate "voice", and I've started to add the lyrics to the melody. (But, even the lyrics in that separate voice have the same problem (they are displayed against a musical clef with rests of varying duration.) Suggestions? Like I say, if this is solved in a later version of Rosegarden, I will try to upgrade (although that may take me a while--I'll consider upgrading my computer, then Debian, and then use the Rosegarden supported by that version of Debian (if it has the "fix"). (I'm not much of a musician (if any ;-), I'm doing this to practice for karaoke, but I have vague thoughts of trying to change the time signature and put fewer notes in each measure--not sure if that would work or how to do it while maintaining the same tempo.) -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space
On Wednesday, April 04, 2018 03:40:46 AM Yves Guillemot wrote: > Le 2 avril 2018 à 14H02 (-0400) rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit : > > It is nice to see that this list is not totally dead. > > Sorry for this late reply. > I'd no time to reply the first time I read your > post then I forgot it. No problem, thanks for replying now! > Le 18 février 2018 à 19H00 (-0500) > > rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit : > > (Note: I am using Rosegarden 12 instead of the latest version because > > that is what is supported on my Debian Wheezy based computer. If > > this problem is solved in a later version of Rosegarden, I will look > > (harder) into ways to upgrade.) > > I don't think lyrics had have any fix related to your problem since > 12.4. > > > My problem is this--in some songs, when I add lyrics, there is not > > enough space for the lyrics (that is, for each syllable or measure) > > so words or syllables are cut off and not displayed and/or > > overwritten (and therefore garbled). (This being on the Notation > > display, the one that displays musical notes and lyrics (if present).) > > > > I did find the spacing "control" and adjusting it does improve the > > situation, but even on the song I'm looking at now, 220% does not > > eliminate the problem. > > I can't reproduce this issue here. > Moreover I don't see any noticeable effect of the spacing percentage on > the readability of lyrics. > > > I can email the particular song to anyone that is interested--iirc, I > > got the MIDI part from someone on the Internet, which had the lyrics > > in a separate "voice", and I've started to add the lyrics to the > > melody. (But, even the lyrics in that separate voice have the same > > problem (they are displayed against a musical clef with rests of > > varying duration.) > > Please, send me this song or some example showing the problem and > I'll try to fix it. I've attached the rg file to a copy of this email that I'll send to you immediately after sending this to the list without the file (I don't want to spam the list nor do I know if files are allowed on this list). Oh, and also, I downloaded the file from the Internet and don't know its original source--I'm not sure I have the legal right to post it anywhere. At the moment, I can't find the worst example, but this file will be enough to give you the idea. If you view the "line" named "Words" in the notation editor, you should see the problem, and if you increase the "Spacing" in the notation editor to 220%, you will see that the situation improves, but is not completely gone. You can also look at the line named "Melody" where I started to also add the lyrics in the hope that I could do better--I realized I could not and quit. In some songs, I've used the "fine positioning" mechansim to try to position / space out the lyrics to fix the problem--I may have done some of that in this file--I do not recall. I'm not expecting you to put any significant effort into trying to fine tune the positioning of the lyrics to make the situation better, I'm just looking for a way (beyond the spacing conntrol) to spread the notes out to allow more room for lyrics. (I did think about trying to rewrite the songs with maybe a different time signature to allow more space for the lyrics (I mean, maybe if I did something like rewrote this song in 2/4 time and then made some adjustment (like changing the duration of the notes (e.g., quarter note to eighth note??), or changing the tempo, but, that would be a lot of work, and I'm not sure it would be worth it.) (The other example was in 6/8 time, and maybe I never saved in rg format--I have a lot of MIDI files, and it will only be by luck that I find it again (or find some notes).) Thanks for any suggestions you might offer. PS: I can send this to others on request. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lyric space
Thanks very much for your reply! I have some comments / questions interspersed below: On Wednesday, April 04, 2018 10:23:06 AM Yves Guillemot wrote: > Le 4 avril 2018 à 08H42 (-0400) > > rhkra...@gmail.com a écrit : > > At the moment, I can't find the worst example, but this file will be > > enough to give you the idea. If you view the "line" named "Words" in > > the notation editor, you should see the problem, and if you increase > > the "Spacing" in the notation editor to 220%, you will see that the > > situation improves, but is not completely gone. > > > > You can also look at the line named "Melody" where I started to also > > add the lyrics in the hope that I could do better--I realized I could > > not and quit. > > There are several styles of text in RG. You used text for dynamics > instead of lyrics. How do you know I used dynamics instead of lyrics? These questions might all be resolved by some explanation--I'm asking lots of questions in hopes of helping you understand / spot where my lack of understanding / knowledge lies. Until you sent this reply, I thought the font I was using was Feta size 8. I now understand that is apparently the font for the notes and such, and I found on the preferences menu (which I had not looked at prior to today) that I am using "Bitstream Vera Serif 9" as both the Text and San-serif font. I did experiment with changing the text font to 6, which I was surprised to find is readable on my screen, and helps with the lack of space for lyrics, but does not completely solve it. I don't remember if it was on this song or not, but I have used the Lyric Editor (and, then, typically, used the fine spacing feature to try to move the lyrics around to try to get them closer to the right notes). (Aside: When I got this file as a MIDI file, the Words line (with the words against rests) was already there, as was the Melody line. I started to add the lyrics to the Melody line, but do not recall whether I simply inserted text or used the Lyric Editor.) In songs where I used the Lyric Editor, I still had the problem with insufficient space for the lyrics. I don't see a place to specifically choose the "lyrics text style". Hmm, maybe in this file I did insert the lyrics with the Text tool instead of the Lyric Editor, and maybe that's what you refer to as lyrics text style (i.e., the style inserted by the Lyric Editor)? (As I said, even with the Lyric Editor there is insufficient space for the lyrics.) Maybe there are some features in Rosegarden 17 that are not present in Rosegarden 12 (the version that I am using because my OS supports / supplies this version)? Sorry for being obtuse--thanks for any additional help you can offer. > Unlike other text styles, the places of lyrics and notes are > computed in relation to each other when they are displayed in the > notation editor. This should fix your problem. > > First you should add the lyrics to the segment on the "Melody" track > because without notes (as on the "Words" track which has only rests) RG > can't display lyrics at the right place. > > Next you have to use the lyrics text style. > The better way to insert lyrics is to use the lyric editor from the > notation editor with "View -> Open Lyric Editor". > > Some documentation is here: > https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:lyriceditdialog-en > > You may see lyrics in some RG examples as Hallelujah_Chorus or > aylindaamiga. > > Yves -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Standardized Scroll Wheel Behavior
Thanks! On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:06:42 AM Ted Felix wrote: > On 04/18/2018 10:53 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Well, I'm not Lorenzo, but how about a feature to expand the notation > > editor horizontally by more than 220%--220% is not always enough to > > allow all lyrics to show without overlap or similar problems. > >Should be easy to adjust the zoom limit upwards. > > > It would be nice then if the horizontal expansion would be saved (with > > the file) so it wouldn't have to be reapplied each time a file is > > opened. > >Slightly harder to do. I'll put it on my near-term todo to have a look. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Standardized Scroll Wheel Behavior
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 10:41:49 AM Ted Felix wrote: > On 04/18/2018 05:46 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > > Fantastic! This is a much appreciated and needed feature IMHO. > >You're not the only one. Let me know what else you want. Well, I'm not Lorenzo, but how about a feature to expand the notation editor horizontally by more than 220%--220% is not always enough to allow all lyrics to show without overlap or similar problems. It would be nice then if the horizontal expansion would be saved (with the file) so it wouldn't have to be reapplied each time a file is opened. Thanks for your consideration! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] email is consistently rejected by sf
On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:38:25 PM Ted Felix wrote: >My email is consistently getting rejected as spam by sourceforge. I > will have to switch to emailing directly in response to requests here. > Sorry about that. Like I mentioned in my reply to your direct email, I have received several of the messages you have sent to sourceforge--I'm not sure what / where your message is getting rejected as spam--maybe it is from some subscriber's ISPs rather than from the sourceforge.net list handler? -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling
I presume you're not looking for the little icon near the playback icons (things like Play, Stop, Rewind) which is labeled "Scroll to Follow Playback (Pause)"? (I responded to you primarily because I was glad to see someone actually post to this list--I had posted one (or two?) question(s) here maybe a month ago, and did not get a response (and rarely, if ever see a post on this list).) It is nice to see that this list is not totally dead. (One of my questions had to do with having enough space for lyrics which might use longer words--I guess I've done the best I can for now by setting the spacing to 220% on the Notation Editor, and I am constrained to (at least for the time being) use version 12.04 of Rosegarden as that is what is supported on my Wheezy version of Debian.) On Monday, April 02, 2018 01:36:20 PM Will Godfrey wrote: > Would some kind person please provide a way to switch this off, or at least > make it *much* slower and less aggressive. > > Today I was editing multiple tracks in the matrix editor and it was driving > me nuts. It is especially bad when moving notes pitch-wise :( -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling
On Monday, April 02, 2018 04:44:11 PM Will Godfrey wrote: > On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 14:02:11 -0400 > > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >I presume you're not looking for the little icon near the playback icons > >(things like Play, Stop, Rewind) which is labeled "Scroll to Follow > >Playback (Pause)"? > > No, I'm manually editing in the matrix editor and dragging notes around. Ok, I guess I can't help you, then. > > P·S. > This list has always been a relatively low traffic one. Thanks--at least I know my messages are getting to the list. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI
On Monday, February 25, 2019 04:32:57 PM Al Thompson wrote: > On 2/25/2019 10:56 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, February 25, 2019 08:27:56 AM msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2019, Håkan Söderström via Rosegarden-user wrote: > >>> I make this note while still a beginner: Rosegarden would need a > >>> terminology overhaul in order not to trip up new users completely. > >>> > >>> "Import MIDI" really means: "New session based on MIDI file". It scraps > >>> whatever you did before importing, warning that "File has not been > >>> saved". "File"? It's the session that's not saved. Rosegarden needs to > >>> be consistent > >> > >> I strongly disagree. > > > > I am not the OP, but you confused at least me. I think you (strongly) > > agree that "Import MIDI" is a bad name, you don't like the proposed new > > name, but I had to do a lot of "gratuitous" reading to figure that out. > > Yeah, I had to really parse through that too. I think that "import > MIDI" is fine, because "to import" means to bring in from somewhere > else, and it also implies that it's going to import it into what you are > currently working on, rather than delete it or close your current > project. Yes, but note that the OP said that the import MIDI "scraps whatever you did before importing" -- that's not what I would expect from an import -- the import should be merged with whatever you did before then (imho). ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI
On Thursday, February 28, 2019 04:03:52 AM Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 28/02/19 01:06, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 06:03:59 PM D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > >> Open - opens a native file > > > > Ok > > > >> Import - opens a non-native file > > > > I don't like this -- the word import is not sufficiently intuitive for > > the behavior -- if that has to stick (I'm not sure it does), then there > > should be a warning dialog following selection of import, something like > > "this will wipe out any existing music / information in the Rosegarden > > buffer" > > Honestly I'm not sure what the fuss is about... If I try to an "Import" > with a non-saved file open Rosegarden *does* warn me: "The current file > has been modified. Do you want to save it?" which I think is pretty > standard behaviour. This is the same exact behaviour as trying to "Open" > a file while there is an unsaved one. Ok -- I reacted without having tried the import -- a warning like that should do the job. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI
On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 06:03:59 PM D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > Open - opens a native file Ok > Import - opens a non-native file I don't like this -- the word import is not sufficiently intuitive for the behavior -- if that has to stick (I'm not sure it does), then there should be a warning dialog following selection of import, something like "this will wipe out any existing music / information in the Rosegarden buffer" > Merge - merges any supported file into the current composition Ok > We debated the nomenclature years ago, and this is what stuck. I'm not the op, but, obviously, it was not intuitive for him, resulting in work / data loss. Something should be improved. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI
On Monday, February 25, 2019 08:27:56 AM msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > On Mon, 25 Feb 2019, Håkan Söderström via Rosegarden-user wrote: > > I make this note while still a beginner: Rosegarden would need a > > terminology overhaul in order not to trip up new users completely. > > > > "Import MIDI" really means: "New session based on MIDI file". It scraps > > whatever you did before importing, warning that "File has not been > > saved". "File"? It's the session that's not saved. Rosegarden needs to > > be consistent > > I strongly disagree. I am not the OP, but you confused at least me. I think you (strongly) agree that "Import MIDI" is a bad name, you don't like the proposed new name, but I had to do a lot of "gratuitous" reading to figure that out. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(
On Tuesday, April 09, 2019 04:37:15 AM D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > I had gotten in the habit of just buying a retail desktop PC off the > shelf, but you can't buy those anymore. I guess you mean a retail desktop without Windows off the shelf? ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 04:31:42 AM Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > Sorry for the long email, we are locked at home here in Italy and maybe > more prone to techno-philosophical thoughts :D I hope you are reasonably comfortably locked in, stay safe, and get unlocked soon! ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon
Ok, another comment about #9 (added to my previous comment about maybe inverting the whole thing, showing triplets (or 3 notes, maybe an eighth and two sixteenths and maybe staggered, ascending, or descending. I guess I don't like the circular "buds" behind (well, currently above) the red roses -- I wonder what it would look like without those. Maybe ascending, with 2 sixteenths followed by an eighth, with the stems underneath and a sloped "bar" (not sure of the right word for that). Like David said, thanks for sharing (or asking for opinions)! On Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:03:43 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Top posting for variety -- not really -- this is a general comment without > specifics. ;-) ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon
Top posting for variety -- not really -- this is a general comment without specifics. ;-) I just realized that the icons are shown both in the upper left corner (large) and icon sized down in the group of icons -- I didn't really notice / look at those at first, and may change my opinion after spending some time looking at the small icons. I always have a light background vs. a dark background, I guess I'll want to think about that, also. On Friday, May 22, 2020 11:56:26 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, May 22, 2020 10:58:05 PM david wrote: > > On 5/22/20 3:02 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > > > Just posted some new ideas for the rosegarden app icon on the wiki. > > > Head over to the logo page and have a look at the pdf at the top. > > > Then let me know what you think. We can discuss here on the list or > > > send me an email directly if you prefer a silent ballot. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar to USB setup
On Friday, May 22, 2020 10:30:13 AM Mike Witt wrote: > On 05/19/2020 06:24:31 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > > On 5/19/20 1:57 PM, Mike Witt wrote: > >> I see a lot of "Guitar to USB" cables advertised. They don't appear > >> to have any "active" components. Does this really work? I was going to ask earlier, but what does a Guitar to USB cable do -- does it simply take the output from the guitar pick ups (analog signal) and pass it through to a USB -- oh, hmm, I guess USB would have to be serial, so it must have some conversion, or do some A/D converters (or sound cards) accept analog via a USB port. Or does it magically convert the guitar signal to MIDI? ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon
Ted -- this is the one that didn't make it, it seems Reply went to the author instead of the list -- I should watch for that. On Friday, May 22, 2020 10:58:05 PM david wrote: > On 5/22/20 3:02 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > > Just posted some new ideas for the rosegarden app icon on the wiki. > > Head over to the logo page and have a look at the pdf at the top. > > Then let me know what you think. We can discuss here on the list or > > send me an email directly if you prefer a silent ballot. > > > > https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/rosegarden_logo I find people that don't like top posting, others don't like bottom posting, so I took this opportunity to "middle post" ;-) From the peanut gallery: Of those shown, I like #1 the best (oh, I've finally learned what people mean when they say hashtag -- to me, that #1 is "number 1", not "hashtag 1" ;-) In contrast to David's comments, I don't like #5 -- I like the keyboard, and might like #1 better if it incorporated a keyboard. Something in your post, or David's comments gave me a mindset that the icon should include a rose -- I don't know if that is really appropriate / required, but nothing in #5 looks like a rose to me. #9 has some appeal to me, I like the roses, but something about it isn't quite appealing -- maybe I'd like it better if the stems were under the roses rather than on top, and maybe triplets with different notes (i.e., the roses not all in a line but staggered (or ascending or descending). > Thanks for sharing! > > Opinions by option number: > > 1. I like this. Clearly a rose, with the stem curling around. Doesn't > say anything about music, though. I like #5 better. > 2. Looks OK. The square frame looks like a frame rather than a rose > stem, if it's intended to look like a rose stem. > 3. Looks like 3 tulips to me, not roses. So far, I prefer the > single-rose designs. With or without a solid background. > 4. NO, just no. Not roses, looks like bars or some completely-different > flower. > 5. Interesting! Kind of an abstracted or deconstructed rose that I > recognized right off. Adding the piano keys shows that it's a music > program. I like this one best so far. > 6. NO, no, no. Yuck. Not even close to a rose, nothing about music in it. > 7. Abstracted geometric rose that seems to me to be more of a Star of > David. Doesn't say "rose" or Rosegarden to me. > 8. Even more abstracted "rose" that doesn't communicate rose, > Rosegarden, or music to me. > 9. Cute, but just, no. A couple of rosebuds, has music notes, but the > music notes don't look particularly good to me. > > I like #5 so much I just might screen grab it and use it for my > Rosegarden icon here. Are the source files (preferably SVG) available? > > PS: You're the first person I've ever met that uses Ubuntu's desktop, > particularly the Gnome3 version. ;) > > -- > David W. Jones > gn...@hawaii.rr.com > authenticity, honesty, community > http://dancingtreefrog.com > "My password is the last 8 digits of π." ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Re" Questions about audio playback and MIDI connections
Resending an email from Dan Ritter (from the Debian user list) -- he sent it
to the rosegarden-user list (basically at my request), but I looked in the
archives and didn't see it there, so I suspect it did not get to the list.
(I suspect the email threading will be wrong.)
I think the genesis of the message is fairly well explained in what I wrote,
and a way to deal with the changing MIDI ports is explained in what Dan wrote.
-- Forwarded Message --
Subject:
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:32:34 AM
From: Dan Ritter
To: rhkra...@gmail.com
CC: debian-u...@lists.debian.org, rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> (Intentionally cross posted)
>
> The following quotes are from an email to a rosegarden mail list --
Rosegarden
> is a music notation (mcow) program.
>
> A user is describing a problem in which it appears the MIDI ports (connected
> via USB ports) change on each boot (or maybe even each start of the
Rosegarden
> program).
>
> I just wondered if this is similar to the current Linux behavior related to
> disks wherein, in the old days, disks came up in a consistent order, but
> nowadays (maybe because of systemd?) they (or some of them) can start in
> parallel and thus their device numbers are not consistent.
>
> If a similar problem does exist with USB ports, is there a way to force them
> to be identified in a consistent way on each boot (i.e., something like using
> UUIDs or labels for disks)?
>
Yes, and yes-but-no.
You want to ignore the USB ports and focus on the attached
devices. udev is the mechanism here.
For example, in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-ups I have:
SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0764", ATTR{idProduct}=="0501",
SYMLINK+="ups0", GROUP="nut"
Which means that /dev/ups0 will be assigned to the USB device
that has an idVendor of 0764 and an idProduct of 0501, and be
accessible by anyone in the group nut.
So if you have a MIDI keyboard with idVendor 0499 (Yamaha) and
idProduct 1617 (PSR-E353 digital keyboard) then you could plug
those numbers into a rule like the one above and whenever it was
connected, it would appear at, say, "/dev/midikb0".
SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0499", ATTR{idProduct}=="1617",
SYMLINK+="midikb0", GROUP="audio"
lsusb (possibly with a -v) will help you find the currently
attached devices and their numbers.
Does that help?
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[Rosegarden-user] OT (for the debian-list): Re: Questions about audio playback and MIDI connections
(Intentionally cross posted) The following quotes are from an email to a rosegarden mail list -- Rosegarden is a music notation (mcow) program. A user is describing a problem in which it appears the MIDI ports (connected via USB ports) change on each boot (or maybe even each start of the Rosegarden program). I just wondered if this is similar to the current Linux behavior related to disks wherein, in the old days, disks came up in a consistent order, but nowadays (maybe because of systemd?) they (or some of them) can start in parallel and thus their device numbers are not consistent. If a similar problem does exist with USB ports, is there a way to force them to be identified in a consistent way on each boot (i.e., something like using UUIDs or labels for disks)? Thanks! On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:46:30 AM Ted Felix wrote: > On 6/30/20 5:20 AM, Malhaire Christophe wrote: > > 1) While using Rosegarden, I cannot play a video on Youtube, or play a > > piece of music using Parole Media Player. > >Off the top of my head, it sounds like those programs likely use > ALSA, but you have JACK running. When JACK is running, it takes over > ALSA and anything trying to use ALSA will be "broken". > >There may be a way to get ALSA and JACK apps to cooperate. I seem to > remember an article on the JACK website. This is a common complaint. > > > 2) Each time the PC and Rosegarden are restarted, I have to check and > > change my MIDI connections because the MIDI ports of my external USB > > sound modules are systematically inconsistent (MIDI Playback devices > > related to MIDI Outputs). > >This is interesting as we've had this complaint before. I really > would like to work on fixing this, if possible, but the other user > reported that the problem went away. > >To get a closer look at what rg is doing to make those connections, > load a composition, then go to Edit > Preferences... and press the > "Details..." button next to "Sequencer Status". This should show you > the connections it is trying to make. If you can post what's in there, > that might help with figuring out what we might be able to do to fix this. > > > I believe Rosegarden has an internal function > > for "smartly" attaching a MIDI device, according to its name, but it > > doesn't work for me. Surely I must miss something but what? > >It's all automated, so not really anything you can do. We need to > have a closer look and see if anything can be done at all. > > > Is there anything to add to the .rgd file? > >.rgd files are only relevant when you create a new device. It is the > .rg file that is driving things from that point on. It's the exact same > info, though. > > > But since the port number can change at each boot, or depending on the > > order in which the devices are turned on, maybe this is not a good > > method? > >I suspect that is what is really happening. There's a limit to what > we can obtain from the drivers. Therefore there is a limit as to how > good of a job we can do matching things up. > > > 3) And by the way, where can we find a complete manual about the xml > > format of .rgd files? > >You'll have to read the code. We've barely got time to write code > let alone documentation. Feel free to create some, though. We'd be > happy to post it to the wiki. > > Ted. > > > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] (no subject)
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:32:34 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > Does that help? It sounds like it should help, but not being my problem, I won't be following up on it -- I hope it will help the OP and maybe others on the Rosegarden list. If more questions come up, I might (again) forward them to the debian-users list. Thank you very much! ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 01:17:39 PM mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote: > On 6/11/22 9:39 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > > It seems today videos are very popular, but I wonder if they can really > > help people get started? Would a short written 'how to make sound with > > Rosegarden' be better (also it could be updated versus a video which > > might become obsolete) > > Totally agree. I watch a lot of instructional videos and 90% of the time > end up going "I just wasted 20 minutes extracting 15 seconds of useful > information that could have been provided in a single paragraph of text." +1 > On the other hand, millenials won't look at anything except video memes > with flashy editing effects and snarky, post-ironic humor, so it depends > on who you're trying to target. ;) I think, shall I say "properly educated" millennials would find that they can profit faster from good text with a few pictures / sketches. To expand on someone's old saying: A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for each minute of video ;-) Sometimes a very short video can be helpful, but I mean a snippet of from maybe 15 to 60 seconds, introduced on the (web)page with some explanatory text and then just showing the thing that really can benefit from a video. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 07:53:13 PM krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 14:31:36 -0400 > > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for > > each minute of video ;-) > > I love this one! Can I plagiarize it? Sure. (I'm flattered :-) Someday I might try to claim credit for originating it (I'm a legend in my own mind ;-), , but for now, don't worry about attribution. If it spreads as a meme, and somehow contributes to better documentation (everywhere), that would be wonderful. Thinking about it -- I don't have a sig, I might make that my sig. I'm thinking about how to incorporate into it that very short videos (15 to 60 seconds, with a minimum of "chatter" by the narrator / "host") can be useful in some cases. (Just tell me (either in written text or in the first 5 seconds what I should be seeing, then show me, maybe summarize or repeat in slow(er) motion. Have a good day! > 90% of the videos are poor resolution, often done by people who think that > the eyes of the world are on youtube and that sucking your teeth makes > good diction. Plus, frankly, the ground to cover is way beyond the > texto/video croud bandwidth. I'm all for good printable docs but things > are changing so fast that it has to be dynamic, somehow. > > If I might add another generalization, it's that we are often confronted > with skillfully erected tutorials that explain how to land on mars whereas > we first need to know how to reach escape velocity in earth orbit. For a > long time I kept getting thrown by the idea that rosegarden never could > make a sound on its own. Now I know that it needs fluidsynth and that to > use fluidsynh "I" need qsynth. What I get stuck on these days is more > likely to be qjackctl 'connections' which presume that users know how to > connect equivalent midi hardware. Well, wrong again, I don't have much > hardware either except my computer and a soundcard and have never seen how > a midi RealDevice gets connected to anything. > > 'nuff rant, cheers! ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] OT: My (new) sig (was: Re: Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?)
On Monday, June 13, 2022 11:45:34 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Oh, I'm waiting for someone to ask about the Oxford comma -- when they do, > I'll point out that one company lost $10M due to a missing Oxford comma (I > can provide a link to that -- I don't know if the case has been appealed > to the Supreme Court), I should have included the link (one of them): * [[https://thewritelife.com/is-the-oxford-comma-necessary/][A Win for the Oxford Comma: This Lawsuit Shows Why It’s So Important]] > and missing Oxford commas may lead to cannabalism > (didn't look for a link to that one -- judicious googling may lead to the > humorous examples (I assume none are true ;-) that involve someone getting > eaten or such. -- A picture (or sketch, diagram, or chart) is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) -- or, where feasible, create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original! (Oxford comma included in this sig at no charge.) ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] OT: My (new) sig (was: Re: Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?)
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 04:37:03 PM krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 08:07:01 -0400 > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Thinking about it -- I don't have a sig, I might make that my sig. > > > > I'm thinking about how to incorporate into it that very short videos (15 > > to 60 seconds, with a minimum of "chatter" by the narrator / "host") can > > be useful in some cases. (Just tell me (either in written text or in > > the first 5 seconds what I should be seeing, then show me, maybe > > summarize or repeat in slow(er) motion. Just wanted to try this out, an early attempt at a sig -- I will probably continue to "wordsmith" it (I've made several variations already). Oh, I'm waiting for someone to ask about the Oxford comma -- when they do, I'll point out that one company lost $10M due to a missing Oxford comma (I can provide a link to that -- I don't know if the case has been appealed to the Supreme Court), and missing Oxford commas may lead to cannabalism (didn't look for a link to that one -- judicious googling may lead to the humorous examples (I assume none are true ;-) that involve someone getting eaten or such. -- A picture (or sketch, diagram, or chart) is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of (or audio) -- or, where feasible, create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original! (Oxford comma included in this sig at no charge.) ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] OT: My (new) sig (was: Re: Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?)
On Monday, June 13, 2022 01:14:03 PM prad wrote: > ha! thx for this. You're welcome! > i have always maintained that there should be that comma but people > thought i was being commatose ;-) > about it! I learned something new today when I googled: Quite a few years ago (I have no good idea of how many) I was told / learned that the Oxford comma was "obsolete" (mcow) and should not be used. (BTW, I had the same problem you had: I recognized it as being important.) In googling today, I learned that the AP style guide (used by entities like, well, the Associated Press ;-) considers it obsolete. The Chicago Manual of Style (used by entities like book publishers and (some?) educators (iiuc) still requires it. Which brings up my next question (which may already be answered by virtue of the name "Oxford comma" -- I wonder what the rule is in the UK? Although I am an American, I often recognize Americans as, hmm, what should I say -- always looking for a short cut -- the easy way out, so I'd guess that it is still required (recommended?) in the UK. On the other hand, those in the UK have developed the shortcut of not pronouncing the "h" sound ;-) (Maybe that's only as the first letter of a word? -- they do have "shedules" ;-) Have a good day! ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] SysEx banks? - Errata
This is the beginning of what I see in a text only client -- didn't bother to copy the whole thing... On Wednesday, September 07, 2022 10:17:52 AM Andrew S wrote: > Re: [Rosegarden-user] SysEx banks? - Errata > From: > Andrew S > To: > gn...@hawaii.rr.com, "rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net" > Date: > Wed Sep 7 10:17:52 2022 > > Note: This is an HTML message. For security reasons, only the raw HTML code > is shown. If you trust the sender of this message then you can activate > formatted HTML display for this message by clicking here. > > > > > > > > > > Apologies... looked over what I sent and found so many typos that my text > might be bordering on incoherence in places. So decided it was worth > sending an errata. I highlighted the correcting words in bold, red > and all caps. (I guess on text-only clients you only see the > all-caps). > > > > > (wrote a draft last night, practically falling asleep on the couch, > didn comb through it enough before sending) > > > > > > On 09/07/2022 8:30 AM EDT Andrew S foss...@flight.us wrote: > > > > > ... -- rhk If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma included at no charge.) If you change topics, change the Subject: line. Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal agreements excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of whitespace and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and references. If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any response you add will be helpful or not ... A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Posting etiquette (Was Re: SysEx banks? - Errata)
Wasn't sure if you are subscribed, so cc'd you. Thank you for taking my sig seriously -- it is meant to be taken seriously but is something I use on all emails so is not specifically tailored to the rosegarden list. Thank you for choosing to avoid HTML! Some comments interspersed below: On Wednesday, September 07, 2022 12:28:24 PM Andrew S wrote: > > On 09/07/2022 10:58 AM EDT rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of > > video > > The above tip itself is not coherently phrased. You are correct. My intent is to say that (often) a video, consisting of multiple images is worth much less than a picture being worth a thousand words might imply (or even 1000 words for a single image). I suspect you've noticed the same thing, the extra blather that goes on in too many videos just decreases the bandwidth to the brain. > Attaching videos/stills is bad? Or preferred? I don't know the preferences of others on the list, or the list rules (other than the 40 KB limit you mention below). > Divide what by 10, exactly? The number of words that a video might be worth on any basis like "a picture is worth a thousand words". > Video play time? Either way - sounds like a contrived metric that's not always applicable... videos come in vastly varying quality and levels of informativeness. True. A well chosen picture, short video, or short audio clip might possibly be useful, and probably moreso on this list dedicated to software for musical composition. > Also, there is a 40k limit on attachments in this mailing list (as I > mentioned recently in another thread). This limit provides little to no > opportunity to attach good resolution still images, let alone videos. If you really need to post a video or such, there are sites that allow you to post a file(s) (often temporarily) to be associated with a list. I can't remember the names of any of those offhand. Have a good day! -- rhk If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma included at no charge.) If you change topics, change the Subject: line. Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal agreements excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including liberal use of whitespace and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and references. If someone else has already responded to a question, decide whether any response you add will be helpful or not ... A picture is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
