Re: [Rosegarden-user] Regression Testing Appreciated
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 09:50:03 -0400
Ted Felix wrote:
> I have just pushed some significant changes to master. If you
>normally use the latest in master, please pull, build, and test. If you
>don't normally work with the latest, now might be a good time to try it.
> See the following wiki page for more:
>
>https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/dev:building_rosegarden_from_source
>
> If you are a plugin user, we need LADSPA effect plugins and DSSI
>synth plugins regression tested. Changes have been made in these areas
>and we want to be sure nothing has broken for you for the 24.06 release.
>
> For all users, all normal use cases involving MIDI and audio need
>regression testing. Use rg like you normally would.
>
> And now the real announcement...
>
> This update includes Philip's work over the past year on support for
>LV2 plugins. See Feature Request 462. It is currently considered
>"experimental" and needs testing as well, but please be sure to test the
>non-LV2 cases mentioned above first.
>
> You'll need to install two packages on your system in order to build
>with LV2 support: liblilv and libgtk2.0. For Debian-based, something
>like this should work:
>
> apt install liblilv-dev
> apt install libgtk2.0-dev
>
> Now re-run cmake and it should find those:
>
> -- The following features have been enabled:
>...
>* LILV, The Lilv library, for lv2 plugins
>
> -- Found GTK2_GTK: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so
>
> To turn on LV2 support within rg, go to Edit > Preferences... > LV2
>Plugin Support (experimental). Make sure that is checked and restart
>rg. LV2 plugins will now appear in the various plugin dialogs.
>
> We will be keeping feature request 462 open for the initial round of
>comments. Please post any findings there:
>
>https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/
>
> Once again, LV2 support is *experimental*, so be prepared for crashes.
>
>Ted.
I only had time for a quick look at the LV2 side (with Yoshimi) - couldn't
really get anywhere with it. The GUI didn't come up properly. The non-LC2 side
seemed OK.
Can't say much more than that, I've got a lot going on at the moment :(
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[Rosegarden-user] Trigger recording.
I don't know if this has been asked before, but is there a way to link
Rosegarden's record button to a MIDI footswitch - ideally a user definable CC.
I've been doing some improvisation lately, and being able to do this without
stopping and clicking a mouse button would be a distinct advantage.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 09:38:50 -0500
Ted Felix wrote:
> How about having rg rename the original file to have the current
>date/time, then saving the new. This way each time you save, you have a
>backup of the previous version. Over time it will generate a mess of
>files, but we could have it limit the number of backups to, say, 10 or
>so by deleting the oldest backup.
>
> Gnucash does this.
This would work for me. It would also be useful for back-tracking changes, that
turn out to be quite wrong when listening a few hours later!
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 15:29:51 +0100
Yves Guillemot wrote:
>Gesendet:
>> Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2023 um 13:35 Uhr Von: "Lorenzo Sutton"
>> An: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>
>>
>> This is a tricky one IMHO because on the other hand when working on
>> project I also want to be able to always save and not risk losing any
>> change which comes up.
>>
>> So any warning like that should definitely be a switchable on/off
>> option.
>>
>
>
>Le Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:42:16 +0100,
>MST via Rosegarden-user a écrit
>:
>
>> How about an incremenial numbering feature while working:
>> You open an existing file "song" and it immediately becomes
>> "song000", ten minutes (adjustable in default settings menu) later it
>> becomes "song001". I am no coder, is something doable?
>
>
>
>Yes it's doable and should be easy to do, but what about the autosave
>feature ? How many files would be created at the end of a session ?
>
>I presume it should be better to allways save in a temporary file
>then ask where to save this file when shutting down RG or opening a new
>file.
>
>Anyway it should be a switchable option because IMHO such warnings are
>awful and don't really work: when I have answered "yes" several dozens
>of times to the same question, the next time it will be asked I will not
>read it and automatically answer "yes" whatever the right answer should
>be.
>
>Yves
Oh yes. I said that it should be switchable. It's not for everyone, nor for
every occasion!
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 19:12:12 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>On 10/12/2023 15:29, Yves Guillemot wrote:
>>
>> Gesendet:
>>> Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2023 um 13:35 Uhr Von: "Lorenzo Sutton"
>>> An: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>>
>>>
>>> This is a tricky one IMHO because on the other hand when working on
>>> project I also want to be able to always save and not risk losing any
>>> change which comes up.
>>>
>>> So any warning like that should definitely be a switchable on/off
>>> option.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Le Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:42:16 +0100,
>> MST via Rosegarden-user a écrit
>> :
>>
>>> How about an incremenial numbering feature while working:
>>> You open an existing file "song" and it immediately becomes
>>> "song000", ten minutes (adjustable in default settings menu) later it
>>> becomes "song001". I am no coder, is something doable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes it's doable and should be easy to do, but what about the autosave
>> feature ? How many files would be created at the end of a session ?
>>
>> I presume it should be better to allways save in a temporary file
>> then ask where to save this file when shutting down RG or opening a new
>> file.
>>
>> Anyway it should be a switchable option because IMHO such warnings are
>> awful and don't really work: when I have answered "yes" several dozens
>> of times to the same question, the next time it will be asked I will not
>> read it and automatically answer "yes" whatever the right answer should
>> be.
>
>This more-or-less UNTESTED bash script would launch rosegarden with a
>selected file, make a back-up copy straight a way and then watch for
>changes (in this case every 5 seconds, maybe a bit extreem... but could
>be easily changed), and if a change (based on md5) detected save another
>back-up copy. Not sure how this could be 'embedded' in rosegarden and
>how cases like 'do not overwrite existing backups (or do)' be handled...
>
>https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/3629509
>
>Lorenzo
I'll have a look at this when I've got some spare time - whatever that is!
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects
On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:35:06 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>On 09/12/2023 12:12, David W. Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>> On December 9, 2023 12:59:55 AM HST, Will Godfrey
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 16:53:52 -1000
>>> david wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/8/23 01:46, Will Godfrey wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:22:11 -1000
>>>>> david wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/7/23 16:13, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/7/23 13:22, david wrote:
>>>>>>>> RCS sounds interesting. I used to work with enterprise content
>>>>>>>> management (ECM) systems. Is it command line only or is there a GUI
>>>>>>>> for it?
>>>>>>> I've only ever used RCS from the commandline, but quick search yields:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.compuphase.com/software_rcsbrowser.htm
>>>>>>> https://docs.hpc.cam.ac.uk/storage/rcs/gui.html
>>>>>>> https://filezilla-project.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> although I can't immediately see how FileZilla relates, despite it
>>>>>>> being recommended by the cam.ac.uk page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CVS is a higher-level layer built atop RCS, and there seem to be more
>>>>>>> GUI support for it:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cvsgui.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>> https://eclipse.dev/eclipse/platform-cvs/
>>>>>>> https://apps.kde.org/cervisia/
>>>>>>> https://github.com/KDE/cervisia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, I haven't used any of the above systems and only found them
>>>>>>> because your question piqued my curiosity.
>>>>>> Ah, thanks. I should have thought to check my repository!
>>>>>>
>>>>> These suggestions are all quite interesting but seem to be massive
>>>>> overkill for
>>>>> what (to me) is just wanting a simple warning
>>>>>
>>>> Sorry, since I don't still have the original email around - what was the
>>>> original idea?
>>>>
>>> I simply want a warning message so that I don't overwrite and existing
>>> project.
>>>
>>> This has happened to me on a number of occasions.
>>>
>>> A typical scenario is where I load an existing one, then while playing it
>>> have a
>>> bit of inspiration for an alternative version, get deeply engrossed in this
>>> and
>>> *forget* that I haven't saved it to a new project name. Stop and save. Bang!
>>> I've just wiped out the original that I wanted to keep.
>>
>> Ah, thanks for the reminder. Yeah, the source code control idea would be way
>> over the top for that.
>>
>> So, when would the warning show up? First time you went to save a project
>> after modifying it? First time you open an existing project, something like,
>> "Do you want to open a copy of this project?" Both?
>
>This is a tricky one IMHO because on the other hand when working on
>project I also want to be able to always save and not risk losing any
>change which comes up.
>
>So any warning like that should definitely be a switchable on/off option.
>
>My two cents.
>Lorenzo
Yes. I'd be quite happy with it being switchable - that was part of my
suggestion.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 16:53:52 -1000
david wrote:
>On 12/8/23 01:46, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:22:11 -1000
>> david wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/7/23 16:13, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/23 13:22, david wrote:
>>>>> RCS sounds interesting. I used to work with enterprise content
>>>>> management (ECM) systems. Is it command line only or is there a GUI
>>>>> for it?
>>>> I've only ever used RCS from the commandline, but quick search yields:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.compuphase.com/software_rcsbrowser.htm
>>>> https://docs.hpc.cam.ac.uk/storage/rcs/gui.html
>>>> https://filezilla-project.org/
>>>>
>>>> although I can't immediately see how FileZilla relates, despite it
>>>> being recommended by the cam.ac.uk page.
>>>>
>>>> CVS is a higher-level layer built atop RCS, and there seem to be more
>>>> GUI support for it:
>>>>
>>>> https://cvsgui.sourceforge.net/
>>>> https://eclipse.dev/eclipse/platform-cvs/
>>>> https://apps.kde.org/cervisia/
>>>> https://github.com/KDE/cervisia
>>>>
>>>> Again, I haven't used any of the above systems and only found them
>>>> because your question piqued my curiosity.
>>> Ah, thanks. I should have thought to check my repository!
>>>
>> These suggestions are all quite interesting but seem to be massive overkill
>> for
>> what (to me) is just wanting a simple warning
>>
>Sorry, since I don't still have the original email around - what was the
>original idea?
>
I simply want a warning message so that I don't overwrite and existing project.
This has happened to me on a number of occasions.
A typical scenario is where I load an existing one, then while playing it have a
bit of inspiration for an alternative version, get deeply engrossed in this and
*forget* that I haven't saved it to a new project name. Stop and save. Bang!
I've just wiped out the original that I wanted to keep.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects
On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:22:11 -1000
david wrote:
>On 12/7/23 16:13, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:
>> On 12/7/23 13:22, david wrote:
>>> RCS sounds interesting. I used to work with enterprise content
>>> management (ECM) systems. Is it command line only or is there a GUI
>>> for it?
>>
>> I've only ever used RCS from the commandline, but quick search yields:
>>
>> https://www.compuphase.com/software_rcsbrowser.htm
>> https://docs.hpc.cam.ac.uk/storage/rcs/gui.html
>> https://filezilla-project.org/
>>
>> although I can't immediately see how FileZilla relates, despite it
>> being recommended by the cam.ac.uk page.
>>
>> CVS is a higher-level layer built atop RCS, and there seem to be more
>> GUI support for it:
>>
>> https://cvsgui.sourceforge.net/
>> https://eclipse.dev/eclipse/platform-cvs/
>> https://apps.kde.org/cervisia/
>> https://github.com/KDE/cervisia
>>
>> Again, I haven't used any of the above systems and only found them
>> because your question piqued my curiosity.
>
>Ah, thanks. I should have thought to check my repository!
>
These suggestions are all quite interesting but seem to be massive overkill for
what (to me) is just wanting a simple warning
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[Rosegarden-user] Saving projects
Is it possible to set Rosegarden so it *always* asks for confirmation when
saving a project? If not can it be added as an option?
The reason I ask is that there have been a few times where I've forgotten I've
been reworking an existing project (gone away from lunch etc.) then carried on
working for while and hit save without thinking wiping out the original work
as a result. So far, this has not been fatal as I always keep duplicates, but
I'd rather not take risks.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden 23.12 Released
Well done team. That's quite a laundry list!
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 23.12
Just downloaded 'master' and will give it a run to check it out.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Weird MIDI bug
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 10:13:14 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>On 23/09/2023 10:06, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:40:39 +0200
>> Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry for the x-posting to rosegarden-devel
>>>
>>> On 23/09/2023 09:08, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>>>> On 23/09/2023 08:50, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>>>>> I Will,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22/09/2023 21:35, Will Godfrey wrote:
>>>>>> First off I don't know if this is down to Rosegarden or aplaymidi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I set program change to patch number 122 in a Rosegarden track
>>>>>> Yoshimi responds to by loading the appropriate patch.
>>>>>> If I then export that track as a MIDI file and run that via aplaymidi
>>>>>> connected
>>>>>> to Yoshimi, it's ignored. Any other patch value works correctly.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Now if a 122 (121 counting from 0) program change is present rosegarden
>>>> outputs:
>>>>
>>>> [MidiFile] writeTrack(): Found controller 121. Skipping. This is a
>>>> HACK to address BUG #1404.
>>>>
>>>> This doesn't happen with other program changes... So, this is definitely
>>>> a bug of rosegarden confusing a 121 program change for a controller
>>>> change. I'm not sure if someone familiar with this code can look into
>>>> this.
>>>
>>> I think I found the issue. In the file:
>>>
>>> ./src/sound/MidiFile.cpp
>>>
>>> around line 1458 essentially the check is only on the MIDI data
>>> 'catching' anything with a data1 value of 121.
>>>
>>> Changing the condition to this where there is a check that the type of
>>> event is actually a MIDI control change seems to solve the issue:
>>>
>>> if (
>>> midiEvent.getEventCode() == MIDI_CTRL_CHANGE &&
>>> midiEvent.getData1() == MIDI_CONTROLLER_RESET
>>> ) ...
>>>
>>> At the moment I don't have time to open a bug report and submit the
>>> change in a fork (this is really painful with sourceforge)... I can do
>>> it in the next days.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Lorenzo
>>
>> Good sleuthing!
>>
>> I haven't got time to do anything to help myself. I'm trying to get Yoshimi
>> V2.3.1 out before Sonoj, and it's being 'difficult' - especially the
>> documentation :(
>>
>
>OK I think it's fixed with the merge request linked here:
>
>https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1663/
Tested and works fine here. Thanks for such a quick response :)
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Weird MIDI bug
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:40:39 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>Sorry for the x-posting to rosegarden-devel
>
>On 23/09/2023 09:08, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>> On 23/09/2023 08:50, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>>> I Will,
>>>
>>> On 22/09/2023 21:35, Will Godfrey wrote:
>>>> First off I don't know if this is down to Rosegarden or aplaymidi
>>>>
>>>> If I set program change to patch number 122 in a Rosegarden track
>>>> Yoshimi responds to by loading the appropriate patch.
>>>> If I then export that track as a MIDI file and run that via aplaymidi
>>>> connected
>>>> to Yoshimi, it's ignored. Any other patch value works correctly.
>
>...
>
>> Now if a 122 (121 counting from 0) program change is present rosegarden
>> outputs:
>>
>> [MidiFile] writeTrack(): Found controller 121. Skipping. This is a
>> HACK to address BUG #1404.
>>
>> This doesn't happen with other program changes... So, this is definitely
>> a bug of rosegarden confusing a 121 program change for a controller
>> change. I'm not sure if someone familiar with this code can look into this.
>
>I think I found the issue. In the file:
>
>./src/sound/MidiFile.cpp
>
>around line 1458 essentially the check is only on the MIDI data
>'catching' anything with a data1 value of 121.
>
>Changing the condition to this where there is a check that the type of
>event is actually a MIDI control change seems to solve the issue:
>
>if (
> midiEvent.getEventCode() == MIDI_CTRL_CHANGE &&
> midiEvent.getData1() == MIDI_CONTROLLER_RESET
>) ...
>
>At the moment I don't have time to open a bug report and submit the
>change in a fork (this is really painful with sourceforge)... I can do
>it in the next days.
>
>Hope this helps.
>Lorenzo
Good sleuthing!
I haven't got time to do anything to help myself. I'm trying to get Yoshimi
V2.3.1 out before Sonoj, and it's being 'difficult' - especially the
documentation :(
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[Rosegarden-user] Weird MIDI bug
First off I don't know if this is down to Rosegarden or aplaymidi
If I set program change to patch number 122 in a Rosegarden track
Yoshimi responds to by loading the appropriate patch.
If I then export that track as a MIDI file and run that via aplaymidi connected
to Yoshimi, it's ignored. Any other patch value works correctly.
It make no difference which bank or part number is used, nor if anything else
is going on at the same time.
I found this entirely by chance when trying to create some demo files. I've got
round it by using patch number 120 which loads a similar sound, but can someone
find time to investigate?
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A very minor irritation
Well, it seems it was a gremlin, and now it knows I'm looking for it, is hiding!
On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 10:41:48 -0400
Ted Felix wrote:
> The code is in RecentFiles::add() to do the right thing. Doesn't
>mean it will always succeed. There might have been something subtle
>that prevented it from detecting that the file names were identical.
>E.g. one accessed via a link and the other not? Still, it should always
>add the new one at the top. I would expect dupes, not failure to add to
>the top. That's a surprising issue.
>
> Anyway, if you've got a solid procedure to reproduce, we can look
>into it.
>
>Ted.
>
>On 6/20/23 4:12 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 21:08:55 +0100
>> Will Godfrey wrote:
>>
>>> All the software I use that maintains a 'recently used' list will always
>>> place
>>> the last one you visited at the top of the list - even if it originally
>>> appeared further down. Rosegarden doesn't do this. Why?
>>>
>>
>> That's odd. I just tried again and it did!
>> These computery things hate me :(
>>
>
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A very minor irritation
On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 21:08:55 +0100
Will Godfrey wrote:
>All the software I use that maintains a 'recently used' list will always place
>the last one you visited at the top of the list - even if it originally
>appeared further down. Rosegarden doesn't do this. Why?
>
That's odd. I just tried again and it did!
These computery things hate me :(
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[Rosegarden-user] A very minor irritation
All the software I use that maintains a 'recently used' list will always place
the last one you visited at the top of the list - even if it originally
appeared further down. Rosegarden doesn't do this. Why?
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Transport problem
The results:
music@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 6.1.0-3-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_RT Debian 6.1.8-1 (2023-01-29)
x86_64 GNU/Linux
music@devuan:~$ grep -i preempt_voluntary /boot/config-$(uname -r)
# CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set
music@devuan:~$ grep -i preempt_dynamic /boot/config-$(uname -r)
CONFIG_HAVE_PREEMPT_DYNAMIC=y
CONFIG_HAVE_PREEMPT_DYNAMIC_CALL=y
music@devuan:~$ grep -i preempt /etc/default/grub
music@devuan:~$
I see exactly the same on the Intel machine.
Everything software-wise is identical as far as I can tell.
I'm rather thinking now that Rosegarden may be an innocent victim of something
going right back to the machine firmware, although I don't have anything else
ALSA based as a double-check. Things like qtractor take their timing from the
audio backend.
The situation isn't fatal, as the non-preempt kernel seems to behave perfectly.
On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 05:20:50 -0500
Ted Felix wrote:
> Thanks, Will. Here's a slightly newer set of steps based on what
>I've learned this morning...
>
>
>Boot into your real-time kernel.
>
>Confirm that it is a preemptible kernel.
>
> $ grep -i config_preempt= /boot/config-$(uname -r)
> CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
>
>If you don't see "CONFIG_PREEMPT=y" then you need to install a
>preemptible kernel.
>
>Check for voluntary preemption. Ideally this should be "y". However,
>I've had no problems with it "not set", so "y" might be the default.
>Some more digging into the kernel code is in order here.
>
> $ grep -i preempt_voluntary /boot/config-$(uname -r)
> # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set
>
>Check for dynamic preemption. This allows the preemption mode to be
>specified on the kernel command line.
>
> $ grep -i preempt_dynamic /boot/config-$(uname -r)
> CONFIG_PREEMPT_DYNAMIC=y
> CONFIG_HAVE_PREEMPT_DYNAMIC=y
>
>If both of those are set to "y", then we need to check the grub
>configuration to make sure the kernel command line is asking for full
>preemption (or nothing at all).
>
> $ grep -i preempt /etc/default/grub
>
>You should either see nothing or "preempt=full" along with possibly
>other options. Anything else might mean trouble and requires a change
>to your grub config.
>
>
>Ted.
>
>On 2/20/23 4:10 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
>>
>> I'll try this today.
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:19:53 -0500
>> Ted Felix wrote:
>>
>>>Will, can you go through this first draft series of steps on the
>>> problematic box and let me know if it finds the issue? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Boot into the problematic kernel.
>>>
>>> Confirm that it is a preemptible kernel.
>>>
>>> $ grep -i config_preempt= /boot/config-$(uname -r)
>>> CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
>>>
>>> If you don't see "CONFIG_PREEMPT=y" then you need to install a
>>> preemptible kernel.
>>>
>>> Check the grub configuration to make sure nothing is specified on the
>>> kernel command line related to preemption.
>>>
>>> $ grep -i preempt /etc/default/grub
>>>
>>> You should either see nothing or "preempt=full" along with possibly
>>> other options. Anything else might mean trouble and requires a change
>>> to your grub config.
>>>
>>> Check for voluntary preemption. (Not sure how this fits into
>>> everything, but it might cause problems and need some further
>>> investigation.)
>>>
>>> $ grep -i preempt_voluntary /boot/config-$(uname -r)
>>> # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set
>>>
>>> Ted.
>>
>
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Transport problem
I'll try this today.
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:19:53 -0500
Ted Felix wrote:
> Will, can you go through this first draft series of steps on the
>problematic box and let me know if it finds the issue? Thanks.
>
>Boot into the problematic kernel.
>
>Confirm that it is a preemptible kernel.
>
> $ grep -i config_preempt= /boot/config-$(uname -r)
> CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
>
>If you don't see "CONFIG_PREEMPT=y" then you need to install a
>preemptible kernel.
>
>Check the grub configuration to make sure nothing is specified on the
>kernel command line related to preemption.
>
> $ grep -i preempt /etc/default/grub
>
>You should either see nothing or "preempt=full" along with possibly
>other options. Anything else might mean trouble and requires a change
>to your grub config.
>
>Check for voluntary preemption. (Not sure how this fits into
>everything, but it might cause problems and need some further
>investigation.)
>
> $ grep -i preempt_voluntary /boot/config-$(uname -r)
> # CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is not set
>
>Ted.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:19:15 -1000
david wrote:
>Well, I've made a couple of attempts to use Ardour. It's a very powerful
>tool of audio engineers.
>
>For someone more ordinary, like me, who doesn't do much with recorded
>audio, it's way beyond me.
>
>Rosegarden does the MIDI and scoring I need. For a final, complete,
>beautiful score, I use MuseScore.
>
>On 2/19/23 20:06, Mike Broughton wrote:
>> Not to steal a thread, but rather than rosegarden supporting all these
>> formats, have you considered rosegarden becoming a plugin so that you
>> can use it in say, ardour.
>>
>> Keep rosegarden a special notation piece, and let others worry about
>> the extra fluff.
>>
>> Sorry if this has been considered before.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 18 Feb 2023 11:06, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>>
>> On 18/02/2023 04:57, david wrote:
>> > I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA
>> MIDI, what's
>> > the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI?
>>
>> Actually, I feel that the uncertainty Pipewire it bringing to the
>> Linux
>> Pro Audio world (see discussions on LAD for example), and the risk
>> JACK
>> is in the longer term, I feel link bumping up LV2 support in
>> Rosegarden.
>>
>> Then JACK MIDI as Carla for example only supports JACK MIDI.
>>
>> Unfortunately it seems that the modular approach of 'an app does
>> something well' philosophy is at risk if JACK is at risk...
>>
>> Just a quick guts feeling here, and I totally understand the kind of
>> endeavor LV2 would be...
>> In an ideal world I'd be happy for Rosegarden to do 'just' MIDI
>> (maybe
>> JACK Midi), and then have external software do the plugins. I've
>> written
>> a lot about e.g. rendering with jack freewheel etc. but I think the
>> trend now is to go on Linux to the one-DAW-does-it-all probably
>> because
>> of commercial software like Bitwig or Reaper now available for
>> Linux and
>> having that approach and Ardour trying to follow on that (albeit IMHO
>> still lacking to much in the MIDI department).
>>
>> Enough rambling there, just my 2 cents :-)
>> Lorenzo
>>
>> >
>> > Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support
>> either
>> > of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;)
>> >
>> > On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote:
>> >> No plans. I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI.
>> >> Need to find some more time.
>> >>
>> >> Ted.
>> >>
>> >> On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote:
>> >>> Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the
>> Linux-Users-Audio list,
>> >>> when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support:
>> "Why do
>> >>> you want DSSI instead of LV2?"
>> >>>
>> >>> I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2.
>> >>>
>> >>> I see this feature request:
>> >>>
>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/
>> >>>
>> >>> The last item on that list quotes someone else saying:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the
>> >>>> plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several
>> programs
>> >>>> all doing the same thing.
>> >>> Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11
>> repository -
>> >>> and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian.
>> Apparently only
>> >>> through KXStudio repository?
>> >>>
>> >>> I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of
>> >>> having to install yet another program.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ideas?
>> >
>>
>
I would add that Yoshimi in Ardour *at least* doubles the CPU load compared
with Yoshimi with Rosegarden.
Ardour is an audio processor with some MIDI facilities added on.
Rosegarden is a MIDI processor with some audio facilities added on.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] rosegarden presentation at FOSDEM
Ha! I know from experience that talks *never* go as smoothly as you'd like.
Very interesting anyway. I'm trying to work out how long I've been using
Rosegarden. The oldest saved file date I have is July 2006 :o
On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:21:38 +0100
Richard Bown wrote:
>Thanks Ted!
>
>The talk didn't go as smoothly as I'd hoped (big auditorium and I got
>vertigo at one stage) but hopefully, some of it makes sense. I really
>enjoyed putting it together and one guy did say he might get involved
>afterwards, so who knows? ;) I'm still quite keen to add some more tests
>and work on improving CI quality generally but it all depends on many
>things - not least finding some spare time.
>
>R
>
>
>On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 at 02:24, Ted Felix wrote:
>
>>ICYMI, the video of Richard's Rosegarden talk is up on the FOSDEM
>> site. Check it out:
>>
>> https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/rosegarden/
>>
>> Ted.
>>
>> On 1/12/23 5:45 AM, Richard Bown wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I pitched a presentation to FOSDEM called "Rosegarden: A Slumbering
>> > Giant" and have just been accepted on the main track on the Sunday
>> > lunchtime (5 Feb). If you're in the area and fancy popping along here
>> > are the details (it's free and open in Brussels, Belgium):
>> >
>> > https://fosdem.org/2023/ <https://fosdem.org/2023/>
>> >
>> > Why Rosegarden and why now? Well, it's a good story, it's a long story
>> > which is still continuing over 30 years since first inception, and I
>> > simply wanted to tell it.
>> >
>> > My take is this - Rosegarden is a phenomenal and slightly unconventional
>> > OSS success story. I'm looking to explore and unpack this a little in
>> > the presentation both from a technical/architectural point of view but
>> > also from the way of working - team and collaborative approach view.
>> > Also of course it's not actually slumbering - it's very active but
>> > wanted to get more insight into current usage and direction.
>> >
>> > Consequently, I am reaching out to see if there are any stories or
>> > feelings you have around using and/or contributing to Rosegarden that
>> > you feel are vital and worth sharing. I would love to hear them. Feel
>> > free to email me if you don't want to share on the list.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Richard
>> >
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[Rosegarden-user] Transport problem
Recently I found Rosegarden was losing the timer source, and the transport was
freezing - sometimes for nearly a second after which it would send a bunch of
notes, then carry on as normal.
It was some time before I realised it only happened on my Ryzen 5 machine (the
one I use for music) and not on my office Intel one. I hadn't made any changes
to the system and got sidetracked into thinking maybe I'd somehow managed to
get infected with some malware. However I eventually remembered I'd done a
normal devuan update. The only significant change was the Linux kernel V5.10 to
V 6.1. Rolling that back cured the problem.
Asking some questions on-line identified the problem.
First off, I use the RT-Preemt kernel - the 'normal' one doesn't have the issue
at all.
Secondly, the Ryzen has the AMD equivalent of hyper-threading, my older Intel
doesn't.
Finally, since Linux V5.12 the scheduler has been modified to allow dynamic
preemption. Disabling this in the BIOS cures the problem, albeit with a very
small loss of performance.
I wonder if there should be another look at how Rosegarden does it's timing. I
did try to set the timing source to the audio hardware. It seemed to recognise
it, but actually totally ignored it. Saving and reloading showed no time source
at all, yet still ran as if it was on System Timer.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An Enquiry
I like that.
I'd of course be plumping for the "Classic" :)
On Sat, 4 Feb 2023 13:17:21 -0500
Ted Felix wrote:
> Yeah. I'm probably going to go with "native", "classic", and "dark"
>for the names for the three and introduce a new (probably integer)
>setting in the .conf.
>
>Ted.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An Enquiry
Thanks Ted. That will be great :)
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 13:43:46 -0500
Ted Felix wrote:
> Sorry about that. I should know better than to modify the user
>interface without offering a fallback option. Not a problem. It's at
>the top of my TODO.
>
>Ted.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Merging project (or MIDI) files.
Well, well, well. That was rather 'interesting' :)
I just tried this again to be able to give you more information and it worked
perfectly! I must admit it's been a long time since I last tried, and the
original files are very old. 2006 old in fact!
Will is a happy bunny :))
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 13:51:11 -0500
Ted Felix wrote:
> File > Merge is supposed to do this. What is it doing when you use
>it? Error messages? Useless results? Is audio involved?
>
>Ted.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An Enquiry
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 11:52:14 -0800
mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:
>For anyone who like me spent 30 minutes failing to get this to work
>before discovering the secret, you have to click on the "resize" bar to
>the left of the desired panel and then drag. Mouse cursor changes when
>hovering over the correct spot. FWIW, I'm on a 1920x1080 monitor and
>normally run the main window around half to 75% full screen width, so I
>don't have enough room to place all the panels on one line. But it's a
>good trick to know anyway.
>
>Piggybacking off this (as usual) with another related question: What's
>the point of having two copies of the marker and loop/measures rulers,
>one above and one below the tracks? (And similar in the notation and
>matrix editors.) Screen real estate is *always* limited -- doesn't
>matter if you have 8K or dual/triple 4K monitors or whatever.
>
>I keep thinking about removing the 2nd/bottom set from my fork of the
>code but have been warned that trying to do anything as radical as that
>in the main branch in would result in me being lynched. (Yet it was OK
>in beta 23.06 to change the track area to "dark" in dark theme? An
>improvement IMO, but what about the hypothetical user who liked it the
>way it was?) Even the very few minor-but-incompatible UI changes in the
>fork were met with disapproval, but since that's the path I'm on maybe I
>should just continue down it. If anyone has a compelling rationale for
>the duplicated rulers (beyond "that's the way it's always been") I'm
>very interested in hearing about it so I can reconsider.
>
>
>On 1/26/23 9:33 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> Well that was curious. I'd tried that many times over with no success, but
>> just
>> tried again and it worked perfectly! Thanks :)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 16:36:43 +
>> chuck elliot wrote:
>>
>>> I think it is possible to do this for yourself by dragging and dropping
>>> toolbars from one panel to the other.
>>>
>>> A whole panel can be hidden by deselecting the toolbars that it contains...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck.
These days I find both the dark theme and the light one give me a headache after
a while. I *much* prefer the older mid range one. Is there any possibility of
this being revived as a third option.
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[Rosegarden-user] Merging project (or MIDI) files.
This is something I've never been able to do successfully.
There are two Rosegarden projects I made a long time ago that I'd like to put
together into one project then cut and paste the best bits of each of them.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An Enquiry
Well that was curious. I'd tried that many times over with no success, but just
tried again and it worked perfectly! Thanks :)
On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 16:36:43 +
chuck elliot wrote:
>I think it is possible to do this for yourself by dragging and dropping
>toolbars from one panel to the other.
>
>A whole panel can be hidden by deselecting the toolbars that it contains...
>
>Regards,
>
>Chuck.
>
>
>
>On 26/01/2023 1:58 pm, Will Godfrey wrote:
>
>> Rosegarden has two panels of icons at the top, neither of which is very long
>> compared to my normal matrix width. Is it possible to to combine these as one
>> longer panel - thus giving at least another track's worth of vertical space?
>>
>> With the 'endemic' availability of mostly wide screens this would make better
>> use of available space.
>>
>
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[Rosegarden-user] An Enquiry
Rosegarden has two panels of icons at the top, neither of which is very long
compared to my normal matrix width. Is it possible to to combine these as one
longer panel - thus giving at least another track's worth of vertical space?
With the 'endemic' availability of mostly wide screens this would make better
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] NRPNs
It's usable - just, and what I currently have to do but it's like pulling teeth!
Start:
Click on inset event
Change note to controller
Set controller number (MSB) {remembering which is which}
Set value (LSB)
When setting the next one set sensible delay
Repeat:
... till all 4 are done in the right order :(
I try to allow at least 10mS between them to allow for congestion anywhere in
the system (quite likely not necessary).
Oh, and thanks for setting a more complete version in the feature request :)
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:35:32 -0500
Ted Felix wrote:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/467/
>
> Is the event editor ok for this?
>
>Ted.
>
>On 12/20/22 9:37 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> At the moment setting these up in Rosegarden is a bit of a pain. How about
>> having a dedicated NRPN generator?
>> As a suggestion, a small pop-up with the 4 MSBs already set in the correct
>> sequence:
>> 99, 98, 6, 32
>>
>> This way you only need to fill in the LSBs - which by default would all be
>> 127
>> so you don't inadvertently set an undefined one.
>>
>
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[Rosegarden-user] NRPNs
At the moment setting these up in Rosegarden is a bit of a pain. How about
having a dedicated NRPN generator?
As a suggestion, a small pop-up with the 4 MSBs already set in the correct
sequence:
99, 98, 6, 32
This way you only need to fill in the LSBs - which by default would all be 127
so you don't inadvertently set an undefined one.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Latest Changes
Just built this.
I'll give it a good run, although I tend to be a rather basic user so I don't
know how useful that will be.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Autosave user interface
On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 12:30:56 -0400
Ted Felix wrote:
> Off the top of my head, I thought we popped up a dialog on launch (or
>an attempt to open) that said, "hey, I found an autosave from the last
>crash. Should I open that?" The user should never dig through the
>autosave directory. Is this not what is happening? Did you try just
>loading the file that was open during a crash? Maybe something is broken?
>
>Ted.
That's always happened for me.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto shutdown
On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 13:12:21 -0400
Ted Felix wrote:
>On 9/2/22 5:43 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> pidof rosegarden
>> followed by
>> kill
>> seems to give a clean shutdown, even of a running instance. So all I need to
>> do
>> now is write a small program to combine those into a single command - might
>> be
>> able to do that in python.
>
> There's already a command, pkill:
>
> pkill rosegarden
>
> As for the lock file, that should be ignored since the process ID
>should be different on each invocation. Unless you are launching rg at
>startup. That might indeed confuse it.
>
>Ted.
This is the problem. I'm not sure about other hardware/distros, but on the
Raspberry Pi you get exactly the same sequence of PIDs :(
When Rosegarden starts up it always creates a directory in /tmp so how about
putting the tag there? On a fresh start it will always be cleared no matter how
Rosegarden was stopped. e.g.
Project is:
/home/me/myprojects/rosegarden/awesomesong
Tag is:
/tmp/rosegarden/home/me/myprojects/rosegarden/awesomesong/lock
Notice, as it's already somewhat hidden it no longer needs to be a dot file or
have any special characters.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto shutdown
On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 17:06:03 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
>On 02/09/2022 16:30, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> > On 02/09/2022 11:43, Will Godfrey wrote:
>...
> >>> On 7/25/22 4:00 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:
> >>>> Is there any way to externally tell Rosegarden to close files and
> >>>> cleanly shut
> >>>> down?
>...
> >>
> >> pidof rosegarden
> >> followed by
> >> kill
> >> seems to give a clean shutdown, even of a running instance. So all I
> >> need to do
> >> now is write a small program to combine those into a single command -
> >> might be
> >> able to do that in python.
> >>
> >
> > In bash you should be able to just do:
> >
> > kill $(pidof rosegarden)
> >
>
>Or... with Python (including some fancy output in case the pid is not
>found, e.g. because rosegarden isn't actually running) - something like
>this:
>
>https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2401192
Yes that worked fine, but I need to make a correction.
While it quietly shuts down Rosegarden, it still leaves the dot file claiming
another copy of your project is running, next time you start.
When Rosegarden shuts itself down, this file is removed, but not when told to
shutdown externally. Can this be made to happen?
My project is particularly targeting people unfamiliar with Linux, who would
have no idea what to do under these circumstances.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list
On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 16:04:08 -1000
david wrote:
>So what Raspberry Pi kits do you use? What are your prices?
>
>The Raspberry Pi 400 seems good to me. I like the idea of having a
>keyboard unit and a touch screen. Although something bigger than 7"
>would be better. I have an 8" Samsung tablet. If I can get it working
>again and replace the Samsung Android with /e/os, then it can be used as
>a tablet on other computers. I think they can also be used as a screen.
Just adding a link, then taking this off list, before the Rosegarden devs start
jumping up and down!
http://www.musically.me.uk/YoshimiPi/index.html
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto shutdown
On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 23:18:12 -0400
Ted Felix wrote:
> The standard way is to kill the process. This doesn't actually kill
>the process. It sends a SIGTERM (15) which politely asks the process to
>close.
>
> I have no idea how well rosegarden handles SIGTERM. But you can try
>it and open a bug report if you don't like the results.
>
>Ted.
>
>On 7/25/22 4:00 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> Is there any way to externally tell Rosegarden to close files and cleanly
>> shut
>> down?
>>
Took a while to get round to this - sorry.
pidof rosegarden
followed by
kill
seems to give a clean shutdown, even of a running instance. So all I need to do
now is write a small program to combine those into a single command - might be
able to do that in python.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list
On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 22:29:14 -1000
david wrote:
>On 9/1/22 22:11, Will Godfrey wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 21:46:04 -1000
>> david wrote:
>>
>>> Mahalo nui loa (thank you very much, in Hawaiian) to our wonderful
>>> Rosegarden developers.
>>>
>>> Various career changes happened this year, courtesy of my employer
>>> outsourcing about 16% of its staff and deciding that neither it nor the
>>> outsourcer had any place for me. That just accelerated retirement plans
>>> by a few months. But it certainly gives me more time to make music with
>>> Rosegarden!
>> Ha!
>> What makes you think retiring gives you more free time? You'll soon discover
>> it
>> seems to work in reverse :P
>>
>> Welcome to the club!
>>
>Thanks, Will!
>
>I've already encountered that. There's a few things around the house,
>like replacing our termite-eaten floor, redoing the bathroom, assorted
>things like that. And writing stories, poems, songs, etc, etc. We paid
>off the house two years ago, but that just means it's nearly 30 years
>old and needs attention. :(
My place is over 100 years old and has plenty of 'interesting' quirks :P
>But it helps address a health difficulty. My back can only handle
>sitting for so long. No longer having to spend 8 hours a day sitting at
>work means I can spend my "sitting budget" on better things.
Tell me about it! One of the reasons I started wearing braces is because the
pressure of a belt eventually gets quite painful.
>Will - you still making your little Yoshimi synthesizer boxes?
Yes. I've got two built ready to take to this year's SynthfestUK - I'm
being given a small bay there again this year :)
Each one is still slightly more refined than the previous one, but the SDcard
image is compatible with all of them, and the latest version includes
Rosegarden, Audacity, and a few utilities.
Availability of Raspberry Pi's is the biggest problem :(
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list
On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 21:46:04 -1000
david wrote:
>Mahalo nui loa (thank you very much, in Hawaiian) to our wonderful
>Rosegarden developers.
>
>Various career changes happened this year, courtesy of my employer
>outsourcing about 16% of its staff and deciding that neither it nor the
>outsourcer had any place for me. That just accelerated retirement plans
>by a few months. But it certainly gives me more time to make music with
>Rosegarden!
Ha!
What makes you think retiring gives you more free time? You'll soon discover it
seems to work in reverse :P
Welcome to the club!
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[Rosegarden-user] Auto shutdown
Is there any way to externally tell Rosegarden to close files and cleanly shut
down?
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] channel: auto/fixed
On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 20:03:02 -0400 (EDT) msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: >On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Ted Felix wrote: >> We could remove that combobox and only make it appear based on an >> experimental preference. That would be less confusing. If no one objects. >> Votes for/against would be helpful. > >I've certainly never found it useful, and have had problems caused by >accidentally turning it on. Making it harder to turn on would seem to be >me to be a win. > I don't think I've ever made use of it at all! I've always made any outgoing changes I want via CCs and NRPNs. As an aside, a dedicated way of setting NRPNs would be useful, rather than have to set 4 individual CCs. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] to Zyn or to Yoshi?
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 06:59:46 -0400 krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: >On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:17:06 -0400 >krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > >> Seen the video and read some pro comments about Yoshimi which I have never >> used before. For the sake of experience I want to load both of them to use >> with rosegarden. Is there anything that says one cannot be used concurrently >> with the other as well as with hydrogen, and qsynth/fluidsynth to name just >> two? I've started working on an ab-initio doc surrounding but not limited >> to RG (did another a long time ago that's gone obsolete, it was about some >> usb interface). What are the practically significant differences between >> them? This project could take the rest of the year seeing that I have a >> million other things to do :-( >> >> ciao > >https://tinyurl.com/4xtzhsm9 > >PLEASE, any CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion is welcome, one per exercise # so that I >don't get even more confused than I already I can't comment on Zyn. I've not seen it for years. Yoshimi has had a *lot* of development since the fork in 2009, but to be fair to Rosegarden it might be better to ask on the Yoshimi list. https://www.freelists.org/archive/yoshimi Also look here: http://yoshimi.github.io/docs/user-guide -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED
On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 17:46:43 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >== ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED == > >The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 22.06 >of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of >music notation along with basic support for digital audio. Well done! That's a positive laundry list of improvements and additions :) -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi
On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 00:07:13 -0400 krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: >Once I solve this I want to try the standalone Yoshimi also but it's not >usable with Leap-15.3 because it cannot find libreadline.so.8 (libreadline7 is >installed). With Yoshimi I'd have no choice because there's no Yoshimi-dssi >package in Suse, only a zynaddsubfx-dssi and some others but no Yoshimi-dssi. Yoshimi only marks readline as a dependency it should work with V7, so maybe someone has packaged it on another system using V8. It is available from the community packages in Leap 15.4 Looking through the records, it seems DSSI support was abandoned long before I was involved with the code because at that time the Zyn/Yoshi code was too unstable. Strangely, it's still marked as a dependency! I don't think there's much point in trying to reinstate it now. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?
For some time I've been trying (and failing) to get my head round LV2, so I don't envy anyone implementing this from scratch. It would be a lot of work - a completely new backend in fact. While I appreciate it would be useful for some, it's not something I've any interest in. Jack MIDI, I've no real opinion either way. Actually, as soon as you support Jack Audio you're halfway to getting MIDI as well if you want it. Again, personally I have no need for it. The ALSA sequencer does exactly what I want. Although some people are trying to claim it's deprecated, I see no sign of that coming from ALSA itself. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi plugins vs soft synths vs synth plugins
It's got to be something like 15 years since I last tried using plugins in Rosegarden - and I can't even remember how to do it! I found the ones available very difficult to use, but the audio ones *slightly* easier post-processing in Audacity. By comparison, if you are running MIDI over DIN leads to an external synth then there is at least a 1mS granularity, which may be noticeable under some circumstances. However if running MIDI entirely within the machine I've found granularity and latency to be quite insignificant - and you have far more routing flexibility than as a plugin. I can't comment on Zyn - I've not seen it for about 8 years! Yoshi originally had LADSPA support. Whether it still does, and how you'd find out, I have no idea. The bottom line (as I always say) is try everything then stick with what you like. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crash: Quantize Off
On Sat, 21 May 2022 00:32:14 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: > The "quantize off crash" should be fixed in [329ab469]. Please test >latest git. > > Turns out it was a delete from a container invalidating an iterator. > A bit hard to see as the delete was deep in a function and was then >relayed from one container (Segment) to the container that was being >iterated over (EventSelection). > > This was indeed lurking for a very long time. Looks like it might go >back to before the directory reorg of 2006-02-24. > >Ted. Thanks for getting on to this so quickly Ted. I can confirm the bug is well and truly squashed! Incidentally I can run Rosegarden with Yoshimi quite comfortably on a Raspberry Pi 4B :) -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] System Timer
Just a matter of curiosity, but what exactly does Rosegarden use as the system timer? Is it a direct count of something like get_time_of_day or is it a re-triggered soft timer? ... or something else entirely? -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 22.06
On Thu, 19 May 2022 04:47:26 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >On 5/16/22 7:41 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> I frequently have the velocity ruler open, to make tweaks to individual >> notes. >> At one time, without selecting anything in the matrix you could run along the >> ruler adjusting each note. These days you can't do that. It will pick up the >> first one, but then locks on to that, and you have to keep going to the >> matrix >> to select the next note, the back to the ruler to adjust it. > > Velocity ruler should be fixed as of [80385c]. Please test latest git. > >Ted. Confirmed working on two different machines here. Thanks a lot. Unfortunately in the process I uncovered an unrelated bug: If you have quantize on, then select a large group of notes, intending to move them, but realise you didn't want them quantized, so (while they are still selected) switch quantize off Rosegarden crashes :( -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 22.06
On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:04:38 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: > 22.06 will be released on June 8. Please test the latest version of >Rosegarden in git as much as you can. See the release notes for areas >that need testing: > >https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/dev:22.06 Been a bit busy myself :P However I just gave this a quick run, and everything seems to be OK with existing files (always my biggest concern). There's one small irritation in the matrix editor. It's been there a while now so it's my fault for not reporting it earlier. I frequently have the velocity ruler open, to make tweaks to individual notes. At one time, without selecting anything in the matrix you could run along the ruler adjusting each note. These days you can't do that. It will pick up the first one, but then locks on to that, and you have to keep going to the matrix to select the next note, the back to the ruler to adjust it. Hopefully, with the latest version of Yoshimi out of the way, I'll have more time to try out your latest additions, and who knows, I might even get to compose some new music :@) -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Focusrite Solo?
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:08:29 +0100 "Chris Cannam" wrote: >On Wed, 27 Apr 2022, at 16:33, Mike Witt wrote: >> Just curious if anyone here is using a Focusrite Solo, and what your >> experience has been. > >I have one - it's been unproblematic, seems pretty good. I use it with an XLR >mic and headphones. > > >Chris Nothing to add except... Hi Chris, nice to see you're still around :) -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Matrix Editor Improvements (editing multiple segments)
On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:36:37 +0200 Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >Hi Will, > >On 15/04/2022 12:04, Will Godfrey wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 19:46:38 -0400 >> Ted Felix wrote: >> >> >> As a compulsive matrix-er I'll give this a run :) >> >> Something I've been meaning to as for some time is (in view->rulers) whether >> some of the less used controller types such as reverb and chorus could be >> replaced with arbitrary user definable types. I frequently MIDI-learn >> Yoshimi's >> internal controls and this would make things a lot easier. >> > >Not sure you're aware of this, but this is actually achievable by >editing the Midi Playback device (Studio > Manage Midi Devices) and then >opening the 'Controllers...' window. Any Controller you add here will >also appear as an add-able ruler, provided the track is using that MIDI >device. >Lorenzo Sorry to be slow responding. All these years I've been using Rosegarden, yet was totally unaware of this. DOH! -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Matrix Editor Improvements (editing multiple segments)
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 09:38:16 -0700 mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote: >On 4/15/22 3:04 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> As a compulsive matrix-er I'll give this a run :) > >Thanks, Will. Matrix Editor FTW! ;) I'm interested in any >feedback/suggestions you'd care to provide. > >There's quite a bit more in the pipeline, some of which can be seen at: > >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/ >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/ > >Including: > >Bug #1623 Matrix Editor: MIDI output should play active segment's instrument >Feature #501 Unified Matrix/Percussion Editor >Feature #503 Matrix Editor note colors >Feature #504 Matrix Editor: Change active segment, alternate tools, >context-sensitive actions >Feature #500 Matrix Editor grid highlight modes > >Again, I'd be interested in your comments -- and any bug reports :( -- >if and when these make it out into the world and you have the chance to >test them. You could also take a pre-release look via the git branches on: > >https://sourceforge.net/u/thanks4opensrc/rosegarden/ci/master/tree/ > >They're slightly out of date but I should be pushing a lot of new code >to there in the next few days. Being a bit busy myself, I can't really dedicate time to this, but will keep a watch out generally. I'm using the Rosegarden matrix window pretty much constantly, so should hit anything bad sooner or later. I'll let you know if/when I do! >> Something I've been meaning to as for some time is (in view->rulers) whether >> some of the less used controller types such as reverb and chorus could be >> replaced with arbitrary user definable types. I frequently MIDI-learn >> Yoshimi's >> internal controls and this would make things a lot easier. > >That's an interesting idea. You might want to write it up a an official >Feature Request. I don't know if I'll be able to attempt implementing it >as my interest in Rosegarden and the Matrix Editor is more geared >towards music theory as compared to your very impressive music >production on bandcamp. In particular, I'd like to do some work >improving the Chord Name Ruler vs the more performance-oriented >controllers you describe. Feature request now there :) Something I didn't mention, because it's somewhat specialised and probably a non starter, would be the ability to draw curves, rather than have straight lines. >Off-topic, I haven't had much luck with Yoshimi, or rather its >predecessor zynaddsubfx. You've done some amazing work with the former, >so maybe I'll ask you for some tips about using either/both of them. ;) Careful what you wish for. Once people start me off on Yoshimi they sometimes have a hard time getting me to stop :) -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Matrix Editor Improvements (editing multiple segments)
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 19:46:38 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: > Just pushed some improvements to editing of multiple segments in the >Matrix Editor courtesy of Mark Rubin. Changes include: > > - Clearer display of the notes in the active segment. > > - Notes can now be drawn in the active segment over top of notes > in the inactive segments. > > - Improvements to the selection of notes when editing multiple > segments. Only notes from the active segment are selected. > > - Velocity tool only affects notes in the active segment. > > If you use the Matrix Editor to edit multiple segments, please test >latest git. > >Ted. As a compulsive matrix-er I'll give this a run :) Something I've been meaning to as for some time is (in view->rulers) whether some of the less used controller types such as reverb and chorus could be replaced with arbitrary user definable types. I frequently MIDI-learn Yoshimi's internal controls and this would make things a lot easier. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Pipewire
Has anyone tried using Rosegarden with Pipewire? The reason I ask is that with Yoshimi one of our users is finding that automatic detection of ALSA MIDI inputs fails. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] [rosegarden:bugs] #1575 Inconsistent Collapse Equal pitch notes in matrix editor
s bars the Collapse >> equal pitch notes function will actually do what Phrase > Tie does (also >> a function in the matrix editor). >> >> So I think there are 3. options: >> 1. In the *matrix editor* Collapse Equal-pitch notes does what it says >> which in matrix editor context means join the notes and make a new big >> note from them as long as they are adjacent and regardless of being in >> different bars or not. the typical use case is editing a string part in >> the matrix editor and wanting to join notes which span bars for voicing. >> In this case the former functionality is still retained with the 'Tie' >> command which more intuitively ties notes if they span bars >> 2. Create a new 'join equal pitch' functionality which taken selected >> equal pitch notes joins them into one note. An added possibility of this >> could be that it would work also for non-adjacent notes. But I'm not >> sure if this would really be useful (might be confusing) >> 3. Retain the current behaviour /but/ allow the user to change the >> duration of 'tied' notes globally. >> >> personally I'd prefer 1 or 2 (without the non adjacent notes behaviour) >> Just noticed this topic... I wonder if this is related to a problem I get sometimes. I work exclusively in the matrix editor. Usually having recorded a real-time performance. If I then change the time signature I frequently get a bunch of notes broken up into (apparently) random sized bits, and it's a nightmare to put them all together again. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio File Location Issue
On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:09:04 -0500 Ted Felix wrote: > To solve the audio file location issue (i.e. why is everything always >just dumped in ~/rosegarden), I was thinking we could have a dialog pop >up when saving with audio files for the first time. It would ask where >you would like the audio files saved and provide the following options: > >- To an "audio" directory where the document is saved. (./audio) > (Recommended.) (default) > >- To a directory named after the document in the directory where the > document is saved. (./document name) > >- To the same directory where the document is saved. (.) > >- To a central audio file repository. (~/rosegarden-audio) > > It might also have a "go with this from now on" option to avoid >showing the dialog ever again. > > I think this (along with switching to >"~/.local/share/rosegarden/audio" for audio files before saving) would >satisfy all the issues described in the bugs and feature requests >related to audio paths: > >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1283/ >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/494/ >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/495/ > > Any objections before I dig into this? The pop-up at save time is >the most annoying thing, but you really only need to configure it for >your preferred way of working once and that will be the default from >then on. > >Ted. I'd be very pleased to see this! -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio File Path: New Move Audio Files feature
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:23:03 -0500 Ted Felix wrote: > Just pushed an update to git that should help address the issues >people are having with ~/rosegarden filling up with a mess of audio >files for multiple projects. > > It's always been possible to change the audio file path in the >document properties (View > Document Properties... > Audio; or >Composition > Document Properties... > Audio). However, it was >incumbent upon the user to then gather all the necessary files and move >them to this new location. > > Not anymore. > > Now when you change the audio file path in the document properties, >it will ask if you would like the audio files to be moved to the new >location. If you say yes, it will gather all the files used by the .rg >file and move them (along with their .pk files) to the new location. A >save will be forced at this point so that you don't end up with the >files moved but the .rg file not updated to point to the new location. > > I just used this to clean out my ~/rosegarden audio file mess and it >worked. I moved each of my audio-related .rg files into their own >directory and created an "audio" directory within that for the audio files. > > Be sure to backup your ~/rosegarden directory before playing with >this. It should be safe, but it needs more testing to confirm. > > Please test latest git. Let me know how it goes. > >Ted. Progress :>) -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Challenge: make a christmas song using Rosegarden
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:17:45 +0100 Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >On 11/12/2021 19:17, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: >> On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 16:50:42 + >> Patrick May wrote: >... >>> >>> I was thinking it'd be fun if we on the rosegarden-user mailing list all >>> challenged ourselves to write a christmas song in Rosegarden, and post >>> it on the mailing list by the 20th of December. >>> >>> What do you think? > >Well... I didn't get round to making a Christmas song... But I recently >updated the music for a new trailer of a 2016 independent sci-fi film I >made the original music for: 'L'ultimo sole della notte' by director >Matteo Scarfò. > >This was all scored and composed in Rosegarden (with the exception of a >couple of small bits recorded 'live', e.g. the piano) and only using >FLOSS (Ardour, xjadeo, ...), in particular Yoshimi was the main >synth/instrument used. > >The updated trailer is here (you will have to bear with an inevitable ad >the stream provider put in): > >https://it.chili.com/player/349770e7-d367-4c84-bf79-855996e0a75f?catalogId=abee0d76-8f19-44ed-abe9-bad4a88aa142 > >And also visible (again with loads of ads if you want to see it for >free) on the same platform or on Amazon Prime. > >> >> Merry Christmas to all who celebrate it btw, certainly to the devs whose >> work has brought me so much enjoyment over the years! > >Indeed Merry Christmas and Happy new year to all of the Rosegarden fans, >and a special thank you to all of the devs and contributors, past and >present ;-) > >Lorenzo Great stuff :D -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Copy/Cut/Delete in Matrix
On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 08:50:05 -0500 Ted Felix wrote: > Just pushed some changes to the Copy/Cut/Delete behavior in the >Matrix editor. Previously there were two sets of copy/cut commands in >the menu. One for notes in the Matrix (e.g. Edit > Cut) and one for >control changes in the current ruler (e.g. Controllers > Cut controller >events). > > Now Edit > Copy/Cut/Delete work for both the Matrix and the current >ruler. The copy and cut controllers menu items have been removed. > > Notation hasn't been changed yet. That is next. > > Please test latest git. Specifically, copy/cut/delete of notes and >control changes in Matrix. Let me know how it goes. Thanks. > > This is part of bug 1601: > >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1601/ > >Ted. Initial tests seem fine here. I don't use the notation editor so won't be able to comment on that when it's done. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified
On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:03:53 +0100 Will Godfrey wrote: >On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:06:23 -0400 >Ted Felix wrote: > >>On 9/28/21 4:02 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: >>> If you now delete one of the segments from the matrix window or move it to >>> another track. There is a high chance you'll either get a crash >>> immediately, or >>> (more confusingly) the next time you hit 'Play'. The same applies if you >>> join >>> two segments on the same track when both have a window open. >> >> I found and fixed a crash related to deleting Segments that are open >>in the Matrix editor. (MatrixScene::segmentRemoved() was unfinished.) >>Please test latest git and let me know if you are still seeing crashes >>in any of the cases that you've mentioned. >> >>Ted. > >Getting a bit behind on 'stuff' but I'll check this out as soon as I can. > I've started a new project over the last couple of days that involves a lot of cut/paste across tracks - not seeing any crashes so far :) -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:06:23 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >On 9/28/21 4:02 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> If you now delete one of the segments from the matrix window or move it to >> another track. There is a high chance you'll either get a crash immediately, >> or >> (more confusingly) the next time you hit 'Play'. The same applies if you join >> two segments on the same track when both have a window open. > > I found and fixed a crash related to deleting Segments that are open >in the Matrix editor. (MatrixScene::segmentRemoved() was unfinished.) >Please test latest git and let me know if you are still seeing crashes >in any of the cases that you've mentioned. > >Ted. Getting a bit behind on 'stuff' but I'll check this out as soon as I can. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified
Firt off, I work entirely in the matrix editor, and recently I've been spending a lot of time working on, and heavily editing, multi-track projects. I will frequently open segment windows on several different tracks at the same time, and also different segments on the *same* track. I'll often hold these open, and just push them to the back of the stack when not actually managing. On my system Rosegarden always seems to open these at exactly the same position so it's very easy to forget what you've got open. If you now delete one of the segments from the matrix window or move it to another track. There is a high chance you'll either get a crash immediately, or (more confusingly) the next time you hit 'Play'. The same applies if you join two segments on the same track when both have a window open. My suggestion is to check for any open windows on the relevant segments and close them before such delete/move/join operations. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden projects
I have an idea that might help with several issues. Many other programs have the concept of a project folder/directory that you are invited to create when you start afresh. Rosegarden doesn't. How about having this, but instead of a popup window, which is most annoying, have a button somewhere prominent labelled 'New Project'. Once defined by the user, Rosegarden would create it and immediately save the current default project file inside it carrying the same name. Any MIDI or Audio files would then be referenced directly there, rather than the current system (possibly with any sources copied in as well). For compatibility, loading any existing project file could either regard the existing location of that file as the project directory for all related audio/Rosegarden files or offer to create a new directory carrying that name and moving the file (and any related audio ones) it into it, so turning it into a complete project. This is actually what I do manually every time I start. A typical one is: /data/Source/0-Albums/Quietly Fading/ conv-Mystery_Guitar_-20121128-205631-4.wav conv-Mystery_Guitar_-20121128-205631-4.wav.pk Mystery.bld Mystery_Guitar.wav Mystery.rg Mystery.xmz So that's the two audio conversion files, My manually created info file, The originating audio file, Rosgarden's file, Yoshimi's file, -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Project Lock file
On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 17:33:42 +0100 Will Godfrey wrote: >On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:20:11 -0400 >Ted Felix wrote: > >> Just pushed a change to the lock file dialog. I added an "Ignore" >>button. Please put the latest git through its paces. >> >>Ted. >> >>On 8/22/21 10:57 AM, Ted Felix wrote: >>> On 8/19/21 3:36 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: >>>> Any progress? >>> >>> I spent some time tracking down why QLockFile is doing this. My >>> guess is that since you are running so few things on the Pi, Rosegarden >>> just happens to get the same process ID. I tested this, and sure >>> enough, the lock dialog pops up. QLockFile thinks the lock is valid >>> since it is associated with a running instance of Rosegarden. >>> >>> Anyway, an additional "Delete Lock" button and a warning still sounds >>> like a good/simple idea. It's at the top of my todo right now. I'll >>> have a look. >>> >>> Ted. > >Thanks a lot Ted. I'm literally right in the middle of the final tweaks for the >next Yoshimi version, but I'll check this out immediately afterwards. > Compiled this a short while ago. This is just right. Thanks a lot :) -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Project Lock file
On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 12:20:11 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: > Just pushed a change to the lock file dialog. I added an "Ignore" >button. Please put the latest git through its paces. > >Ted. > >On 8/22/21 10:57 AM, Ted Felix wrote: >> On 8/19/21 3:36 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: >>> Any progress? >> >> I spent some time tracking down why QLockFile is doing this. My >> guess is that since you are running so few things on the Pi, Rosegarden >> just happens to get the same process ID. I tested this, and sure >> enough, the lock dialog pops up. QLockFile thinks the lock is valid >> since it is associated with a running instance of Rosegarden. >> >> Anyway, an additional "Delete Lock" button and a warning still sounds >> like a good/simple idea. It's at the top of my todo right now. I'll >> have a look. >> >> Ted. Thanks a lot Ted. I'm literally right in the middle of the final tweaks for the next Yoshimi version, but I'll check this out immediately afterwards. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Project Lock file
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:17:10 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >On 7/19/21 5:06 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> The other more nuanced one would be to change the Alert popup to a Choice one >> where you can elect to override this. It would be *much* simpler than hunting >> down a dot file. > > That shouldn't be too hard to add along with a dire warning of some >sort to avoid blame. I'll add to the todo. > >Ted. Any progress? It's quite important for the YoshimiPi units I build occasionally. Rosegarden works well in these (takes ages to build), but as the unit is designed to be highly portable, people *will* just shut down without closing all the individual bits, and only Rosegarden has a problem with this. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Wandering Windows
On Mon, 9 Aug 2021 09:24:20 +0100 Will Godfrey wrote: >On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 20:39:09 -0400 >Ted Felix wrote: > >> It's not wandering for me under GNOME. Not sure there's anything we >>can do here. >> >> Is it wandering up/down the height of the titlebar on each launch? >>That seems to be a common issue. >> >>Ted. >Yes. >Using either debian or (my preferred) devuan with either XFCE or (my preferred) >openbox on oldish dual core 64 bit Intel and 8 code AMD Ryzen. >Rosegarden built from git a couple of weeks ago. > Well, I wasn't imagining it :) On the Raspberry Pi rock solid, not moving around at all, on all my 'normal' machines. Moves up and across each time by the border width. It must be something to do with the library versions as they all have devuan beowulf with openbox WM and rox filer :( -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Wandering Windows
On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 20:39:09 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: > It's not wandering for me under GNOME. Not sure there's anything we >can do here. > > Is it wandering up/down the height of the titlebar on each launch? >That seems to be a common issue. > >Ted. Yes. Using either debian or (my preferred) devuan with either XFCE or (my preferred) openbox on oldish dual core 64 bit Intel and 8 code AMD Ryzen. Rosegarden built from git a couple of weeks ago. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Wandering Windows
GAH! It's back :@( I've no idea what happened, must have just been some form of freak, or just Murphy having a laugh. > That hasn't been touched since 2009. I'm guessing that the bugs in >Qt (or GNOME or KDE) were fixed. > > I had a lot of trouble getting the transport window to stay put. I >think it still wanders a little in certain situations. Maybe that's >fixed now too. > >Ted. > >On 8/8/21 7:19 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> I've just noticed with a recent build that the main window seems to stay in >> place now :) >> >> Thanks a lot. It was only a small detail, but an incredibly irritating one! >> > > >___ >Rosegarden-user mailing list >Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Wandering Windows
I've just noticed with a recent build that the main window seems to stay in place now :) Thanks a lot. It was only a small detail, but an incredibly irritating one! -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] QLockFile Problem (was: Project Lock file)
For the sake of completeness, this is on devuan beowulf (equivalent to debian buster without systemD) It seems to be running qt 5.11 although there seem to be a lot of bits of qt4 in there as well. I'm seeing this issue on fairly recent builds of master. What package is qlockfile in? Although presumably it wouldn't compile if it's missing. On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 18:11:17 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: > This is odd. I thought the lock mechanism we're using (QLockFile) >was keyed on process ID. Therefore it should go away automatically when >it realizes that process is no longer running. Or something like that. > > I've changed the subject to hopefully get David Faure's attention. >QLockFile is his. Hopefully he has some insight as to why you might be >having so much trouble with it. > > Works great for me. Even if rosegarden crashes (and I crash it all >the time) I am never locked out of a file since we switched to QLockFile. > >Ted. > >On 6/21/21 6:18 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> I would like to suggest moving these into /tmp >> That way, when restarting the computer they will be cleared. >> >> I've got something like 300 different projects on my 'music' computer and >> often >> get blocked when loading projects I've not run for some time, and then have >> to >> hunt out the file. I have no idea why the lock wasn't cleared, but it is >> quite >> obvious that a project can't still be open over a reboot! >> > > >___ >Rosegarden-user mailing list >Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Project Lock file
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: >On Mon, 21 Jun 2021, Will Godfrey wrote: >> I would like to suggest moving these into /tmp >> That way, when restarting the computer they will be cleared. > >Some systems erase /tmp on reboot, but it's hardly universal. > Well that's a surprise! OK, it's been a good few years since I last went distro-hopping, but it's always been done on those I tried. For me, the lock serves no purpose anyway. I never use more than one instance of Rosegarden, and can't think of a circumstance where I'd want to. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Project Lock file
I would like to suggest moving these into /tmp That way, when restarting the computer they will be cleared. I've got something like 300 different projects on my 'music' computer and often get blocked when loading projects I've not run for some time, and then have to hunt out the file. I have no idea why the lock wasn't cleared, but it is quite obvious that a project can't still be open over a reboot! -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Problem Building for RaspberryPi4
On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 10:19:40 +0100 Will Godfrey wrote: >On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 15:28:29 -0400 >Ted Felix wrote: > >>The "qttools5-dev" package has the Qt5LinguistTools stuff for cmake. >>You might also need the following: >> >>qttools5-dev-tools >>qtchooser >> >>Ted. >Thanks Ted. >Now noted in my crib sheet! > >In synaptic selecting qttools5-dev also pulls in qttools5-dev-tools. > >Building now... this may take some time! > >Checking your other points, it seems that in devuan, while the build data is >included for Intel/AMD it isn't for the Pi. > >Will. > And I can confirm it works. Rosegarden + Yoshimi and a moderately complex project :D Proof is here: http://www.musically.me.uk/themainevent/YoshimiPi_Working.jpg As a matter of interest, that's ALSA MIDI and audio @ 48kHz 128 frames. Jack works really poorly under these circumstances. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Problem Building for RaspberryPi4
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 15:28:29 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >The "qttools5-dev" package has the Qt5LinguistTools stuff for cmake. >You might also need the following: > >qttools5-dev-tools >qtchooser > >Ted. Thanks Ted. Now noted in my crib sheet! In synaptic selecting qttools5-dev also pulls in qttools5-dev-tools. Building now... this may take some time! Checking your other points, it seems that in devuan, while the build data is included for Intel/AMD it isn't for the Pi. Will. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Problem Building for RaspberryPi4
I'm running devuan beowulf on this (same as all of my other machines), but following the new build instructions, when trying to fetch build-deps I get the error: E: Unable to find a source package for rosegarden This doesn't happen on my other machines. So I fell back to picking out the dependencies and installing them. However I got caught with the one that *always* seems to be an issue :( Qt5LinguistTools There seems to be no clue as to which package this is actually in, and I don't have enough space to try the scattergun approach of loading the whole of qt to get it. Where EXACTLY is it? -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 21.06 RELEASED
That's quite a laundry list. Well done folks! -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] OT-ish: Rosegaredn IRC channel?
On Thu, 27 May 2021 13:05:28 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >On 5/27/21 5:27 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >> I'm also not sure who should take the decision if to stay on freenode or >> not. Personally I would support a move (as many Free Software project >> have done / are doing) to Libera.Chat [2]. > > Unless anyone else speaks up, I think the decision is up to you. Let >me know if we need to change any links on the website or wiki. > >Ted. I didn't realise there was a Rosegarden channel. However, I would support the move, and at some point will no doubt poke my nose in on Libera.Chat Will. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Alternative hardware
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:11:18 -1000 "David W. Jones" wrote: >On April 20, 2021 5:46:46 AM HST, Will Godfrey wrote: >> >> Has anyone tried compiling Rosegarden for the Raspberry Pi4? >> If so, what is the absolute minimum required to get it up and running? >> I would expect it to be extremely slow to compile :( > >Hmm. Couldn't you cross-compile - compile for ARM/PI 4 on your Intel? I looked at that. It's a hell of a lot of work, just to compile one application - I really don't have time for that :( -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Alternative hardware
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:44:43 +0100 chuck elliot wrote: >'have done on Rasbian. > >It was no more difficult or slower than I have > >found on my other (admittedly old) hardware. > >All req'd packages a were available and build > >went fine. on running, RG did crash a few times > >though so I did not pursue it... > >CE. I use devuan specifically as it's *much* lighter weight, and boots up faster too. Unfortunately there are some parts of debian that aren't ported over. That includes build-dep rosegarden :( When trying to manually fetch all the deps, I got everything except linguisttools (always an issue, and not listed in the deps as far as I can see) For some reason devuan only has this for qt4 in ARM, although it's qt5 for Intel/AMD. At the moment I haven't a clue how to get round this :'( -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Window positions.
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 21:31:36 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >On 4/20/21 2:26 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> Transport is the one that bothers me, as it happens. I like to keep it in >> the top right corner of the screen. Also, I notice that the main window >> (which >> I keep to the full screen width) seems to slowly drift upwards over several >> re-openings. > > Ok, I've tracked down some of this and I just pushed some fixes to >git. Specifically, the Transport dialog now tries to save its geometry >and restore it. It works for the most part, but that drifting upward >bug is still hiding in there. > > I'm not sure what is causing the upward drift but it seems like Qt is >confusing the parent and child window coordinates. I say this because >the window drifts upward by the height of the titlebar. And that is the >difference between the top coord of the complete window with frame and >the child window within where the app shows stuff. Not sure there is >much we can do about this without some serious digging into the Qt code >to figure out what exactly is going on. > > I didn't touch the rg main window code, so it is probably going to >continue to drift upward for you. > > Please test latest git and let me know if at least the Transport is >better. > >Ted. Yes. The transport window is spot on thanks :) I also tried it at other more central positions and it seems to hold its place quite correctly over several complete shutdowns and restarts of Rosegarden The main window shifting up is a nuisance, but nothing like as much a problem. If you can sort it, that's be great, but it's not exactly a show-stopping priority! Will. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Alternative hardware
Has anyone tried compiling Rosegarden for the Raspberry Pi4? If so, what is the absolute minimum required to get it up and running? I would expect it to be extremely slow to compile :( -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Window positions.
On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 20:15:30 -0400 Ted Felix wrote: >On 4/19/21 5:11 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> I've noticed that Rosegarden doesn't seem to be very good at remembering >> screen >> positions of windows, although it seems to get the sizes right. Does it in >> fact >> store them at all, or does it rely on the the window manager to do so? > > A search on WindowGeometryConfigGroup or saveGeometry() reveals that >rg tries. For some windows, perhaps not all. E.g. I don't see the >transport window using WindowGeometryConfigGroup. Is there a specific >window that is causing trouble? > >Ted. Hi Ted, Transport is the one that bothers me, as it happens. I like to keep it in the top right corner of the screen. Also, I notice that the main window (which I keep to the full screen width) seems to slowly drift upwards over several re-openings. Will. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Window positions.
I've noticed that Rosegarden doesn't seem to be very good at remembering screen positions of windows, although it seems to get the sizes right. Does it in fact store them at all, or does it rely on the the window manager to do so? In Yoshimi, we store all the size/position data, so any Xprop compatible WM should honour them. -- Will J Godfrey https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/ http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Uninstall version installed from SVN?
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:03:59 +0100 Lorenzo Sutton wrote: >There seems to be a make install but not a make uninstall or make remove? > >How to revert? > >I know one should probably not install SVN versions when testing... but >usually Rosegarden from SVN has been pretty stable. In this case I would >like to check previous version wrt the new notation features. > >Hints welcome. >Lorenzo. I never actually install it. I just set a desktop link to the compiled image of the one(s) I want to use. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Noiseless setup for rosegarden
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:43:49 +0100 Claire Darbaud wrote: >Hello, > >I'm a rusty dev who hasn't coded in years, caring for the kids... etc I >used to work for Oracle as a custom dev consultant, some dba work, some >web, a touch of sysadmin... >I coded boring business stuff for many years... a long time ago. > >I've been researching music, the fundamentals of harmony, composition for >decades... > >Now the kids have grown and I want to record my music, do some more >research and also get back into coding and develop apps and games about >music composition. > >I've come across Rosegarden in my search for a DAW with a simple interface >that helps me keep on task. More signal, less noise... > >Rosegarden looks VERY promising... and I can't wait to get it opens a new >can of worms... which linux distro should I install? > >I've read your FAQ, but it barely says anything about choosing a distro. >Can someone help me gather the bits and pieces I need to get started? > >As in my search for a DAW, I'm looking for a distro with as little >distraction as possible. I'm happy with having to install stuff in a >terminal, use bash... yet I'd like to spend as little time as possible >struggling with drivers. > >My PC is an ASUS laptop with a Core i7 10th gen with 16gb RAM >I have a focusrite Scarlett solo sound card >I want to use my dualo du-touch as a midi keyboard > >It is my understanding I need to decide on a linux distro, and then install >ALSA and JACK before installing Rosegarden and Lillipond? > >Can you recommend a lightweight distro that's got what it takes to code and >make music, yet has minimal sources of distraction? > >Thanks, >Claire For a new user one good possibility would be AVlinux. It includes most of the software and (importantly) machine settings, for a running system from the start. I don't know if it includes Rosegarden, or if it has to be fetched via the debian package manager. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Slightly off the wall
On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:05:08 -0500 Ted Felix wrote: >On 2/18/21 9:46 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: >> What's the position regarding using Rosegarden with no audio at all? > > IIRC, that's how the Windows version works, so we should support >that. Regardless, let us know how it goes and we'll fix anything you >run into. > >Ted. Thanks for the replies. I'm a bit slow at the moment. There was a big yellow thing in the sky all day, so I felt obliged to go out and make sure everything in the countryside was OK :P I'm also in the middle of some software work. This is for giving the YoshimiPi a bit more heft. The sound will of course be from Yoshimi which will go directly to a 16bit DA converter via ALSA. I'm keeping everything as lightweight as I possible can. I'd get the Rosegarden version from debian. The Pi is pretty slow compiling even for Yoshimi - Rosegarden would take forever :( Will. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Slightly off the wall
What's the position regarding using Rosegarden with no audio at all? i.e. Jack not installed, and Alsa either already fully committed, or no audio hardware connected? I haven't tried this here because I don't have a spare machine, and don't want to risk screwing up my current install. Also, I want to keep this as simple as possible, as it will be used by people with little or no understanding of the underlying architecture. Mostly they will be working in the matrix editor, although a few brave souls might experiment with notation :P -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] [OT]: quick and easy music making: a marketer's dream [WAS] Re: beginners question : getting sound
On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:45:47 -0500 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: >But whatever. I hate this topic, and I'm going to duck my head and >concentrate my attention elsewhere. I just wanted to fire off this rant. FWIW, I feel your pain (as someone who fell into software development a similar way) What doesn't help, is the people who ask for special features to make something fit their unique way of working, then when it's supplied never actually use it! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Clear the MRU
On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:31:56 -0500 Ted Felix wrote: >>> On 1/22/21 3:48 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: >>>> When Rosegarden scans the 'recent' list, can it please check the >>> existence of a file, and if it's not there remove it from its list? > > This is now implemented in [r16061]. There's a new preference called >"Clean recent files list" that enables it. > > As mentioned before, your recent files list will be clobbered by this >update. You can restore it by going into your Rosegarden.conf file and >renaming the [General] section to [RecentFiles]. > > Grab the latest svn and try it out. > >Ted. Sorry to be so slow getting back to this... been a bit busy :P Seems fine here. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Clear the MRU (was: A small request)
On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 01:50:47 -0500 Ted Felix wrote: >On 1/22/21 3:48 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: > > When Rosegarden scans the 'recent' list, can it please check the >existence of a file, and if it's not there remove it from its list? > > The problem with this is people who are accessing files on external >storage, be it flash drives, network shares, what have you. The files >might not exist only because the external storage isn't connected. The >user might then want to reconnect the external storage and still have >all the MRU entries. > > I think it would be safe to implement this feature but only if it has >to be enabled through an option. > >Ted. I fully understand that, and it would be absolutely fine with me :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] A small request
When Rosegarden scans the 'recent' list, can it please check the existence of a file, and if it's not there remove it from its list? I frequently start projects in a development directory, and when complete move them into a 'done' one, which leaves these orphan references behind. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk http://yoshimi.github.io Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 12:54:21 -0500
Ted Felix wrote:
>The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 20.12
>of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of
>music notation along with basic support for digital audio.
{laundry list}
Well done!
Great to see so much work being done :)
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 19:43:55 -0500 David Tisdell wrote: >Hi All, > >Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest >Raspberry PI? I had read that earlier versions of the PI were not fast >enough for audio/multimedia creation but that the PI 4 would be a giant >leap forward in this area. Thinking about giving it a whirl but don't want >to spend the money if it will simply be an exercise in >frustration/futility. Thanks. > >Dave Not tried Rosegarden on it yet, but it does run a full-fat Yoshimi quite happily. To the extent I've been able to attract some non-Linux users with this: http://www.musically.me.uk/YoshimiPi/index.html -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How long have you been using Rosegarden?
On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 09:20:52 -0500 David Tisdell wrote: >I think it has been about the same for me. Maybe a little longer. > >Dave About the same here. I also use the audio features when collaborating with people who send audio tracks. Initially I used to to control hardware synths, then included Qsynth and hydrogen and in 2007 added ZynAddSubFX (2.2.1), moving on to Yoshimi. These days it mostly just for Yoshimi :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 20.12
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 10:57:05 +
Will Godfrey wrote:
>Ah! I always keep the setting as 'fixed' so it should be a problem then.
>
should NOT {senior moment!}
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 20.12
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 09:50:09 -0500 Ted Felix wrote: >On 11/8/20 9:39 AM, chuck elliot via Rosegarden-user wrote: >> I presume that this is just the difference between working with a standard, >> gm-based midi device setup VS a custom midi device setup where you have drum >> patches/programs mapped to midi channels other than 10? > > Exactly. Although in a non-GM case, channel 10 is fair game as well. > >> So in the latter case, a channel setting of 'auto' would not work for you as >> it is currently implemented? > > Auto should work in this case (but don't expect much as "auto" has >not been tested in years). It will assign channels and select the >proper patches as needed. > > "Auto" will not work in this situation if you check the "percussion" >checkbox for a track (any track). I believe that checkbox is what sends >the events to channel 10 and that would break Will's setup. > >Ted. Ah! I always keep the setting as 'fixed' so it should be a problem then. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 20.12
On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 16:32:45 -0500 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: >On 11/7/20 7:27 AM, Ted Felix wrote: >> Just a follow-up in case someone has a similar issue. Turns out that >> "auto" mode recognizes "percussion" tracks and sends them to channel 10 >> no matter what channel they are configured for. > >That isn't even always correct behavior. I don't have time to get myself >back up to speed on all that right now, but I think I can play >percussion on channels other than 10 at least two different ways with my >current setup, and I don't have anything exotic. > >I'll try to have a go with some of that before you release. I've been >working six days a week most of the year, so no promises. > Just jumping in here. I very frequently put percussion in multiple channels. In Yoshimi I have one patch that does very nice snare drums, another that does a range of Cymbals, another that's good for kick drum, shakers etc. Not only can they not all fit in the same channel, but I give them different weights and stereo positions. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Compiling Version 20
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:21:57 -0400 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: >On 8/20/20 5:22 AM, Hugo van Galen wrote: >> I have successfully compiled Rosegarden with Jack2. I suspect that the >> dependency list is a bit outdated. > >I may have been the last person to touch the dependency list, and that >would have been several years ago. I can confirm that I build with jack2 >myself. I have libjack-jackd2-dev installed on Kubuntu 18.04. I hadn't even noticed it. I always have jack pulled in by QjackCtl :) -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
