Re: [Rosegarden-user] Trigger recording.

2024-02-11 Thread david

On 2/11/24 07:25, Will Godfrey wrote:

I don't know if this has been asked before, but is there a way to link
Rosegarden's record button to a MIDI footswitch - ideally a user definable CC.
I've been doing some improvisation lately, and being able to do this without
stopping and clicking a mouse button would be a distinct advantage.

Hmm, ctrl-space toggles recording. No need to click a mouse button or 
make sure the mouse is positioned over the Record button.


But it would be nice to have the ability to connect record on/off to a 
footswitch. Is there a way the footswitch could be used to send a 
ctrl-space character to Rosegarden?


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[Rosegarden-user] Exported MusicXML file reported as corrupt by MuseScore 2 and 3

2024-01-25 Thread david
I have RG v23.12. I went to export a project as MusicXML. It gave me the 
option to export as MusicXML v1.1 or v2.0. I chose v2.0.


Trying to open the resulting XML file in MuseScore 2 or MuseScore 3 
reports the file is corrupt.


I finally figured out how to make RG offer me the MusicXML version 
choice again (delete the exported XML file outside of RG). Then I 
re-exported it as MusicXML v1.1. That exported file is also reported as 
corrupt.


If I click Ignore in MuseScore's warning dialog, it opens fine.

Ideas?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects

2023-12-29 Thread david

On 12/29/23 09:21, Will Godfrey wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 09:38:50 -0500
Ted Felix  wrote:


   How about having rg rename the original file to have the current
date/time, then saving the new.  This way each time you save, you have a
backup of the previous version.  Over time it will generate a mess of
files, but we could have it limit the number of backups to, say, 10 or
so by deleting the oldest backup.

   Gnucash does this.

This would work for me. It would also be useful for back-tracking changes, that
turn out to be quite wrong when listening a few hours later!

Just wondering, how would this affect Rosegarden projects that include 
recorded audio tracks?


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[Rosegarden-user] Printing on Fedora 38

2023-12-12 Thread David Legg
... Aha, and I have just found a new, testing, version of lilypond that 
seems to fix the previously reported error message:


lilypond-2.25.11-1.fc38.x86_64

:D

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[Rosegarden-user] Printing on Fedora 38

2023-12-12 Thread David Legg

Greetings All,

I just tried printing 3 empty bars from rosegarden and got the following 
error message:


Processing `rosegarden_tmp_FxYsJP.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music...
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Converting to `rosegarden_tmp_FxYsJP.pdf'...
warning: `(gs -q -dNODISPLAY -dNOSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH 
-dAutoRotatePages=/None -dPrinted=false /tmp/lilypond-tmp-4258843)' 
failed (256)


/usr/share/lilypond/2.25.4/ly/init.ly:64:2: error: *Guile* signaled an 
error for the expression beginning here

#
 (let ((book-handler (if (defined? 'default-toplevel-book-handler)
Throw to key `ly-file-failed' with args `()'.

Anybody know what is going on, please?

:D

rosegarden4-21.12-3.fc38.x86_64

timidity++-2.15.0-7.fc38.x86_64

guile22-2.2.7-7.fc38.x86_64

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects

2023-12-09 Thread David W. Jones



On December 9, 2023 12:59:55 AM HST, Will Godfrey  
wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 16:53:52 -1000
> david  wrote:
> 
> >On 12/8/23 01:46, Will Godfrey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:22:11 -1000
> >> david  wrote:
> >>  
> >>> On 12/7/23 16:13, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:  
> >>>> On 12/7/23 13:22, david wrote:  
> >>>>> RCS sounds interesting. I used to work with enterprise content
> >>>>> management (ECM) systems. Is it command line only or is there a GUI
> >>>>> for it?  
> >>>> I've only ever used RCS from the commandline, but quick search yields:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.compuphase.com/software_rcsbrowser.htm
> >>>> https://docs.hpc.cam.ac.uk/storage/rcs/gui.html
> >>>> https://filezilla-project.org/
> >>>>
> >>>> although I can't immediately see how FileZilla relates, despite it
> >>>> being recommended by the cam.ac.uk page.
> >>>>
> >>>> CVS is a higher-level layer built atop RCS, and there seem to be more
> >>>> GUI support for it:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://cvsgui.sourceforge.net/
> >>>> https://eclipse.dev/eclipse/platform-cvs/
> >>>> https://apps.kde.org/cervisia/
> >>>> https://github.com/KDE/cervisia
> >>>>
> >>>> Again, I haven't used any of the above systems and only found them
> >>>> because your question piqued my curiosity.  
> >>> Ah, thanks. I should have thought to check my repository!
> >>>  
> >> These suggestions are all quite interesting but seem to be massive 
> >> overkill for
> >> what (to me) is just wanting a simple warning
> >>  
> >Sorry, since I don't still have the original email around - what was the 
> >original idea?
> >
> I simply want a warning message so that I don't overwrite and existing 
> project.
> 
> This has happened to me on a number of occasions.
> 
> A typical scenario is where I load an existing one, then while playing it 
> have a
> bit of inspiration for an alternative version, get deeply engrossed in this 
> and
> *forget* that I haven't saved it to a new project name. Stop and save. Bang!
> I've just wiped out the original that I wanted to keep.

Ah, thanks for the reminder. Yeah, the source code control idea would be way 
over the top for that.

So, when would the warning show up? First time you went to save a project after 
modifying it? First time you open an existing project, something like, "Do you 
want to open a copy of this project?" Both?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects

2023-12-08 Thread david

On 12/8/23 01:46, Will Godfrey wrote:

On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 23:22:11 -1000
david  wrote:


On 12/7/23 16:13, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:

On 12/7/23 13:22, david wrote:

RCS sounds interesting. I used to work with enterprise content
management (ECM) systems. Is it command line only or is there a GUI
for it?

I've only ever used RCS from the commandline, but quick search yields:

https://www.compuphase.com/software_rcsbrowser.htm
https://docs.hpc.cam.ac.uk/storage/rcs/gui.html
https://filezilla-project.org/

although I can't immediately see how FileZilla relates, despite it
being recommended by the cam.ac.uk page.

CVS is a higher-level layer built atop RCS, and there seem to be more
GUI support for it:

https://cvsgui.sourceforge.net/
https://eclipse.dev/eclipse/platform-cvs/
https://apps.kde.org/cervisia/
https://github.com/KDE/cervisia

Again, I haven't used any of the above systems and only found them
because your question piqued my curiosity.

Ah, thanks. I should have thought to check my repository!


These suggestions are all quite interesting but seem to be massive overkill for
what (to me) is just wanting a simple warning

Sorry, since I don't still have the original email around - what was the 
original idea?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects

2023-12-08 Thread david

On 12/7/23 16:13, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:

On 12/7/23 13:22, david wrote:
RCS sounds interesting. I used to work with enterprise content 
management (ECM) systems. Is it command line only or is there a GUI 
for it?


I've only ever used RCS from the commandline, but quick search yields:

https://www.compuphase.com/software_rcsbrowser.htm
https://docs.hpc.cam.ac.uk/storage/rcs/gui.html
https://filezilla-project.org/

although I can't immediately see how FileZilla relates, despite it 
being recommended by the cam.ac.uk page.


CVS is a higher-level layer built atop RCS, and there seem to be more 
GUI support for it:


https://cvsgui.sourceforge.net/
https://eclipse.dev/eclipse/platform-cvs/
https://apps.kde.org/cervisia/
https://github.com/KDE/cervisia

Again, I haven't used any of the above systems and only found them 
because your question piqued my curiosity. 


Ah, thanks. I should have thought to check my repository!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Saving projects

2023-12-07 Thread david

On 12/7/23 09:59, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:

On 12/7/23 10:14, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Not a direct solution, but for some projects I (mis)use git. And I 
also use it for related Yoshimi sate files as I'm often tinkering 
with sound and then re-consider, but saving different file names is 
cumbersome.


Yes, git isn't theoretically made for binary files, but the file size 
orders of magnitude are relatively small and the commit metadata 
helps :-)
I use RCS, for two reasons. One, that more complex revision control 
systems like git offer little advantage when used for a single 
Rosegarden file as opposed to "projects" with multiple files. And two, 
because RCS stores only the differences between file versions rather 
than each complete version separately, as does git.


This is partly a conceptual preference for me. I have decades-old 
source files, with hundreds to over a thousand revisions, for which 
the RCS file is typically only twice the size of the current working 
version. And others, like log files which only get appended to, where 
they're only slightly larger due to the included metadata.


Of course this isn't an issue given the small size of Rosegarden files 
compared to modern storage capacities. Also git compresses its 
individual revisions, although that probably doesn't do much here 
because Rosegarden files are already compressed by default.


To partly address the issue, I added a "Save .rg files uncompressed" 
option in my rosegarden-fork. It defaults to false/off for user 
experience compatibility sake, and all versions of Rosegarden load 
either compressed or  uncompressed files transparently. It also 
doesn't help much with RCS because the order of elements in a 
Rosegarden file tends to be pseudo-randomized (add one note in the 
middle of a composition and a large portion of even the uncompressed 
.rg file changes).


But the larger idea behind all of this is a future feature I'd like to 
see in Rosegarden: The ability to "diff" two versions of a 
composition. Load two different files -- either two revision control 
versions, or any two arbitrary files -- and visually show the 
differences between them. Something like highlighting the 
parts/measures/notes that have changed, in the 
track/notation/matrix/etc editors.


Of course this is mostly applicable to sequencer/MIDI tracks, and 
wouldn't work for audio tracks that have been separately recorded.
RCS sounds interesting. I used to work with enterprise content 
management (ECM) systems. Is it command line only or is there a GUI for it?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Done with Rosegarden

2023-07-18 Thread david

My, tool of choice, too.

On 7/18/23 13:03, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

Hi Lorenzo et. al.,

Almost exclusively the notation editor with plenty of rulers and controllers.

Regards,

Rich




On 17/07/2023 07:21, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

Hi guys,

What I was working on using primarily Rosegarden is now up for your
downloading pleasure:

https://www.hydrophones.com/public/Symphonic_Etude_1__Heroic_Fools.ogg

Well done!


Demonstrates Rosegarden is good for large scale symphonic works.

Indeed. Did you use mostly the notation editor for this? I'm curious :-)

Lorenzo


Thanks again for all your help!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

2023-07-15 Thread david

On 7/14/23 20:25, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

On 7/14/23 18:25,r...@hydrophones.com  wrote:

Hi guys,

I'm getting the following error message when I try to activate recording
on an audio track:

"audio subsystem not available - can't record audio"

in a window that has the header:

Rosegarden (as superuser)

This is happening with Rosegarden Version 23.06 "Flutterbye"
Build Key 13280f9033
Qt Version 5.15.9

Running under Pop!_OS 20.10 Linux with
QjackCtl Version 0.5.0
Qsynth Version 0.6.3
Using FluidSynth 2.1.3

QjackCtl and Qsynth are working and sound fine.  Qsynth's audio outputs
show up on QjackCtl's patchbay but no audio inputs to Rosegarden appear.
All the MIDI ins and outs seem to be working fine.

The "self-recording" feature of Rosegarden used to work.  Is this a bug?
Is there a workaround?  I used to use it to record (with perfect
synchronization) track by track, and sometimes double track, various
patches and synths.

Thanks for all you do, and in advance,

r...@hydrophones.com


Hmm, my understanding is that the general recommendation is that
Rosegarden (and other audio applications) *should not be run as
superuser*. In other words, create an ordinary user login and use that.

In general, running as superuser is a great big security hole...



That is the funny thing, I am logged in as an ordinary user.  I have no
idea how the superuser designation got in there.  Fortunately that machine
is not regularly connected to the internet.


Not sure, then, but maybe it was run one time as superuser???

I just tried mine, it doesn't show Superuser, but I'm only showing 20.12 
for reason, I thought I had 22.something on here...Well, just grabbed 
23.12 source, compiled and run... still doesn't show as superuser.


Just tried running it as superuser via sudo rosegarden - still no sign 
of "superuser" in the terminal title...


I'm running Debian 11 with the XFCE desktop. Maybe it's something 
connected with your distro/desktop environment???


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

2023-07-14 Thread david

On 7/14/23 18:25, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

Hi guys,

I'm getting the following error message when I try to activate recording
on an audio track:

"audio subsystem not available - can't record audio"

in a window that has the header:

Rosegarden (as superuser)

This is happening with Rosegarden Version 23.06 "Flutterbye"
Build Key 13280f9033
Qt Version 5.15.9

Running under Pop!_OS 20.10 Linux with
QjackCtl Version 0.5.0
Qsynth Version 0.6.3
Using FluidSynth 2.1.3

QjackCtl and Qsynth are working and sound fine.  Qsynth's audio outputs
show up on QjackCtl's patchbay but no audio inputs to Rosegarden appear.
All the MIDI ins and outs seem to be working fine.

The "self-recording" feature of Rosegarden used to work.  Is this a bug?
Is there a workaround?  I used to use it to record (with perfect
synchronization) track by track, and sometimes double track, various
patches and synths.

Thanks for all you do, and in advance,

r...@hydrophones.com

Hmm, my understanding is that the general recommendation is that 
Rosegarden (and other audio applications) *should not be run as 
superuser*. In other words, create an ordinary user login and use that.


In general, running as superuser is a great big security hole...

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

2023-05-17 Thread David W. Jones



On May 16, 2023 8:09:06 PM HST, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> I will say I use Yoshimi (stand-alone) a _lot_ and always control instrument 
> parameters from Yoshimi directly. If this is interesting I can go more into 
> the set-up maybe in another thread.

YES! Please. I am considering replacing my 61-key basic Yamaha PSR series 
keyboard with an 88-key MIDI controller driving Yoshimi, QSynth, and Aeolus and 
other softsynths.

> As an aside, because both Rosegarden _and_ Yoshimi will have upcoming 
> releases quite soon I was thinking of maybe doing a quick 'how-to' video on 
> 'quick piece prototyping with Rosegarden and Yoshimi'... If it is interesting 
> for people :-)

Yes, please!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?

2023-03-02 Thread david

On 2/19/23 23:09, Will Godfrey wrote:

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 20:19:15 -1000
david  wrote:


Well, I've made a couple of attempts to use Ardour. It's a very powerful
tool of audio engineers.

For someone more ordinary, like me, who doesn't do much with recorded
audio, it's way beyond me.

Rosegarden does the MIDI and scoring I need. For a final, complete,
beautiful score, I use MuseScore.

On 2/19/23 20:06, Mike Broughton wrote:

Not to steal a thread, but rather than rosegarden supporting all these
formats, have you considered rosegarden becoming a plugin so that you
can use it in say, ardour.

Keep rosegarden a special notation piece, and let others worry about
the extra fluff.

Sorry if this has been considered before.

Mike

On 18 Feb 2023 11:06, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

 On 18/02/2023 04:57, david wrote:
 > I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA
 MIDI, what's
 > the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI?

 Actually, I feel that the uncertainty Pipewire it bringing to the
 Linux
 Pro Audio world (see discussions on LAD for example), and the risk
 JACK
 is in the longer term, I feel link bumping up LV2 support in
 Rosegarden.

 Then JACK MIDI as Carla for example only supports JACK MIDI.

 Unfortunately it seems that the modular approach of 'an app does
 something well' philosophy is at risk if JACK is at risk...

 Just a quick guts feeling here, and I totally understand the kind of
 endeavor LV2 would be...
 In an ideal world I'd be happy for Rosegarden to do 'just' MIDI
 (maybe
 JACK Midi), and then have external software do the plugins. I've
 written
 a lot about e.g. rendering with jack freewheel etc. but I think the
 trend now is to go on Linux to the one-DAW-does-it-all probably
 because
 of commercial software like Bitwig or Reaper now available for
 Linux and
 having that approach and Ardour trying to follow on that (albeit IMHO
 still lacking to much in the MIDI department).

 Enough rambling there, just my 2 cents :-)
 Lorenzo
  
 >

 > Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support
 either
 > of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;)
 >
 > On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote:
 >>   No plans.  I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI.
 >> Need to find some more time.
 >>
 >> Ted.
 >>
 >> On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote:
 >>> Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the
 Linux-Users-Audio list,
 >>> when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support:
 "Why do
 >>> you want DSSI instead of LV2?"
 >>>
 >>> I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2.
 >>>
 >>> I see this feature request:
 >>>
 >>> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/
 >>>
 >>> The last item on that list quotes someone else saying:
 >>>
 >>>> Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the
 >>>> plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several
 programs
 >>>> all doing the same thing.
 >>> Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11
 repository -
 >>> and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian.
 Apparently only
 >>> through KXStudio repository?
 >>>
 >>> I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of
 >>> having to install yet another program.
 >>>
 >>> Ideas?
 >
  

I would add that Yoshimi in Ardour *at least* doubles the CPU load compared
with Yoshimi with Rosegarden.
Ardour is an audio processor with some MIDI facilities added on.
Rosegarden is a MIDI processor with some audio facilities added on.

And I mostly do MIDI and scores. Although I suspect my system (i9 
processor, 64GB RAM, Nvidia graphics) probably wouldn't complain about 
CPU load in Ardour.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?

2023-02-19 Thread david
Well, I've made a couple of attempts to use Ardour. It's a very powerful 
tool of audio engineers.


For someone more ordinary, like me, who doesn't do much with recorded 
audio, it's way beyond me.


Rosegarden does the MIDI and scoring I need. For a final, complete, 
beautiful score, I use MuseScore.


On 2/19/23 20:06, Mike Broughton wrote:
Not to steal a thread, but rather than rosegarden supporting all these 
formats, have you considered rosegarden becoming a plugin so that you 
can use it in say, ardour.


Keep rosegarden a special notation piece, and let others worry about 
the extra fluff.


Sorry if this has been considered before.

Mike

On 18 Feb 2023 11:06, Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

On 18/02/2023 04:57, david wrote:
> I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA
MIDI, what's
> the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI?

Actually, I feel that the uncertainty Pipewire it bringing to the
Linux
Pro Audio world (see discussions on LAD for example), and the risk
JACK
is in the longer term, I feel link bumping up LV2 support in
Rosegarden.

Then JACK MIDI as Carla for example only supports JACK MIDI.

Unfortunately it seems that the modular approach of 'an app does
something well' philosophy is at risk if JACK is at risk...

Just a quick guts feeling here, and I totally understand the kind of
endeavor LV2 would be...
In an ideal world I'd be happy for Rosegarden to do 'just' MIDI
(maybe
JACK Midi), and then have external software do the plugins. I've
written
a lot about e.g. rendering with jack freewheel etc. but I think the
trend now is to go on Linux to the one-DAW-does-it-all probably
because
of commercial software like Bitwig or Reaper now available for
Linux and
having that approach and Ardour trying to follow on that (albeit IMHO
still lacking to much in the MIDI department).

Enough rambling there, just my 2 cents :-)
Lorenzo

>
> Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support
either
> of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;)
>
> On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote:
>>   No plans.  I would love to do it, though. Along with JACK MIDI.
>> Need to find some more time.
>>
    >> Ted.
>>
>> On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote:
>>> Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the
Linux-Users-Audio list,
>>> when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support:
"Why do
>>> you want DSSI instead of LV2?"
>>>
>>> I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2.
>>>
>>> I see this feature request:
>>>
>>> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/
>>>
>>> The last item on that list quotes someone else saying:
>>>
>>>> Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the
>>>> plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several
programs
>>>> all doing the same thing.
>>> Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11
repository -
>>> and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian.
Apparently only
>>> through KXStudio repository?
>>>
>>> I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of
>>> having to install yet another program.
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?

2023-02-17 Thread david
I was wondering about that. With RG already supporting ALSA MIDI, what's 
the showstopper with similarly supporting JACK MIDI?


Let us continue to ignore those that might pipe up, "Why support either 
of those when you could just support Pipewire instead?" ;)


On 2/17/23 17:38, Ted Felix wrote:
  No plans.  I would love to do it, though.  Along with JACK MIDI. 
Need to find some more time.


Ted.

On 2/17/23 10:05 PM, david wrote:
Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, 
when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do 
you want DSSI instead of LV2?"


I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2.

I see this feature request:

https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/

The last item on that list quotes someone else saying:

Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the 
plugin support needed for a project. We don't need several programs 
all doing the same thing.
Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - 
and Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only 
through KXStudio repository?


I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of 
having to install yet another program.


Ideas?


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[Rosegarden-user] Any plans to support LV2 plug-ins?

2023-02-17 Thread david
Inspired by a question from Paul Davus on the Linux-Users-Audio list, 
when he replied to my request that Yoshimi add DSSI support: "Why do you 
want DSSI instead of LV2?"


I replied that Rosegarden doesn't support LV2.

I see this feature request:

https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/462/

The last item on that list quotes someone else saying:

Rosegarden does not need native LV2. Carla should have all the plugin 
support needed for a project. We don't need several programs all doing 
the same thing.
Only issue with that for me is, I went to my Debian 11 repository - and 
Carla isn't there. It's not available in Debian. Apparently only through 
KXStudio repository?


I would still prefer RG having LV2 support built-in, instead of having 
to install yet another program.


Ideas?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] rosegarden presentation at FOSDEM

2023-02-13 Thread david
I used the notation editor to make sheet music for a number of songs and 
hymns for our (now-defunct) church's band. I don't know how useful it 
was to people, but it was generally much more readable than the sheets 
(lines of lyric text, handwritten guitar chords, hand drawn stairsteppy 
diagrams he used instead of staves!) the worship leader supplied!


Now I use it just for my own music. I'm not involved in our current 
church's band.


On 2/13/23 13:13, Michael N. Moran wrote:

Thank you Richard and all of the other devs that have made Rosegarden.

I've been lurking on this list for many (mid-90s?) years. Learning the history 
with this video was great fun.

Although I play a little guitar, I'm not much of a musician and have never used 
Rosegarden for MIDI to connect with a real synth. My primary use of Rosegarden 
is the notation editor. While in a choir for many years, I used the notation 
editor to enter my tenor parts from sheet music as an aid to learning the parts 
by listening and singing along. Often, I would do all four parts and generate 
CD's with the audio for the other members of the choir.

Not only did the notation editor help me in the choir, using it actually taught 
me many of the rules for music notation just by using it.

Rosegarden is a really great application and fits well with my FOSS and Linux 
sensibilities.

Thank you all again,
mike

On 2/13/23 09:21, Richard Bown wrote:

Thanks Ted!

The talk didn't go as smoothly as I'd hoped (big auditorium and I got vertigo 
at one stage) but hopefully, some of it makes sense. I really enjoyed putting 
it together and one guy did say he might get involved afterwards, so who knows? 
;) I'm still quite keen to add some more tests and work on improving CI quality 
generally but it all depends on many things - not least finding some spare time.

R


On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 at 02:24, Ted Felix  wrote:

    ICYMI, the video of Richard's Rosegarden talk is up on the FOSDEM
 site.  Check it out:

 https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/rosegarden/

 Ted.

 On 1/12/23 5:45 AM, Richard Bown wrote:
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I pitched a presentation to FOSDEM called "Rosegarden: A Slumbering
 > Giant" and have just been accepted on the main track on the Sunday
 > lunchtime (5 Feb). If you're in the area and fancy popping along here
 > are the details (it's free and open in Brussels, Belgium):
 >
 > https://fosdem.org/2023/ <https://fosdem.org/2023/>
 >
 > Why Rosegarden and why now? Well, it's a good story, it's a long story
 > which is still continuing over 30 years since first inception, and I
 > simply wanted to tell it.
 >
 > My take is this - Rosegarden is a phenomenal and slightly unconventional
 > OSS success story. I'm looking to explore and unpack this a little in
 > the presentation both from a technical/architectural point of view but
 > also from the way of working - team and collaborative approach view.
 > Also of course it's not actually slumbering - it's very active but
 > wanted to get more insight into current usage and direction.
 >
 > Consequently, I am reaching out to see if there are any stories or
 > feelings you have around using and/or contributing to Rosegarden that
 > you feel are vital and worth sharing. I would love to hear them. Feel
 > free to email me if you don't want to share on the list.
 >
 > Best,
 > Richard


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] An Enquiry

2023-02-02 Thread david
That makes sense to me. I hope there's a reasonable programmatic way to 
use "system themes" despite people running RG under different desktop 
environments/managers in the Linux world (Gnome, KDE's Plasma, XFCE, 
etc). . Do they all implement "themes" the same way?


I like dark themes but I'm kind of a nocturnal person. I don't get a 
headache from either of them, but I find the light one a bit bright on 
my OLED display.


On 2/2/23 07:49, Babarosa wrote:

I also do not really like the dark/thorne theme. I used to set my system
theme as Rosegarden's theme. Therefore I also ask politely for a third
option "use system theme".

Greetings, Michael

These days I find both the dark theme and the light one give me a 
headache after
a while. I *much* prefer the older mid range one. Is there any 
possibility of

this being revived as a third option.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar MIDI Controller to Notation

2023-01-27 Thread david

On 1/24/23 10:43, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:

On 1/21/23 08:54, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:
Only vaguely related: Has there ever been any interest in adding a 
guitar tablature editor to Rosegarden? 


On 1/21/23 11:03 PM, david wrote:
I think adding it to RG while maintaining the ability to also 
display/edit it *as a score* would be really tough.


On 1/22/23 1:52 AM, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:
I'm envisioning it as a new/separate tablature editor window, like 
the matrix and event editors vs notation.


On second thought, although I still like the tablature editor idea, a 
better design might be to integrate tablature directly into the 
notation editor. Each normal standard notation staff could have an 
optional tablature staff directly above (or below) it. Likewise, if 
the user was only interested in tablature, the standard staff could be 
disabled/hidden.


I've only played with Musescore very casually/briefly (and only 
version 3, not the radically revamped new version 4 which doesn't run 
on my current system) and it has this capability. Sort of. Tablature 
staves can be created and positioned at will but they're completely 
disconnected from any standard notation staff -- notes entered in 
tablature don't appear in standard and vice-versa (the latter being 
the previously mentioned A.I. problem). Maybe there's a way to link 
them but if so it wasn't obvious to me.



MuseScore instructions on doing tablature:

https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/tablature

I think when I did it, I changed an existing staff to tablature, since 
my goal was to convert an existing score into tab. That turned the staff 
into tablature, replacing the score, and I wasn't editing anything in 
MuseScore. I think if you create your score/tab using the New Score 
Wizard, maybe MuseScore links them?


In any case, there's no reason why Rosegarden couldn't have something 
like this, done correctly with live linking between the staves. Well, 
no reason except for the need to find someone with the ability to 
implement it and the willingness to volunteer a few hundred hours of 
software development effort to do so. ;)  And then even more to 
review, validate, test, integrate, and accept it into the Rosegarden 
codebase.


Any volunteers? ;)


That's always the problem!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar MIDI Controller to Notation

2023-01-21 Thread david

On 1/21/23 08:54, mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user wrote:

On 1/21/23 4:09 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
   I've been working with Mike Knott on post-processing MIDI from a 
guitar controller into notation. I've created a page on the wiki 
documenting the process:


https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:guitar_midi_controller_to_notation 




Only vaguely related: Has there ever been any interest in adding a 
guitar tablature editor to Rosegarden? It wouldn't be a simple task as 
it would require A.I. and/or metadata saved in the .rg file to specify 
what string and fret to use for each note out of the multiple possible 
same-pitch choices (e.g. the same A is on fret 2 of the G string and 
fret 7 of the D string) so that chords and melodies are "fingerable". 
As I no longer (pathetically attempt to) play guitar I'm not likely to 
take it on as a project, but it would be a very nice addition to 
Rosegarden if someone else would contribute it.


I've been satisfied with exporting the RG as a MusicXML file, importing 
it into Musescore, and setting Musescore to do tablature. That lets me 
do things like specify open/alternate tunings. Another option is 
Tuxguitar, but Musescore does a better job of printing. Tuxguitar lets 
you specify the player's ability level, which is kind of nice. I don't 
know if Musescore can to that. I haven't done much tablature lately.


I think adding it to RG while maintaining the ability to also 
display/edit it *as a score* would be really tough.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Features

2022-12-26 Thread david

On 12/26/22 17:19, Ted Felix wrote:

Just pushed [fcb8f626].  Please test latest git.  New features:

- F11 now puts rosegarden into full screen mode.  I have a tiny 
768-high screen.  This is a big help.


- LEDs are now removed from archived tracks.  Since the LEDs are not 
useful on an archived track, this makes the tracks more obviously 
archived without losing any functionality.


- Per Patrick May's request November 13, 2021 and feature request 498, 
I've begun working toward something resembling a true "dark mode".  If 
you have "thorn" turned on in the preferences (which I think is the 
default), you will automatically see the new look. Many parts of the 
UI are now darker.  Still more to do here.


  Let me know if there are any issues.

Ted.


Interesting. I haven't checked out the update, but my desktop 
environment (XFCE) has an option for any window called Fullscreen. When 
I select it for RG 23.06 that I have here, RG goes full screen (no 
window frame or decorations).


In Firefox, pressing F11 makes it go full screen, too. So it's nice to 
have a consistent keystroke. I don't remember my old IBM UI guidelines 
enough to remember if that was something set back then.


Since I use the dark theme, I'm looking forward to it being completed.

Thanks for the new features!

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[Rosegarden-user] A bit of confusion about RG versions on my system

2022-12-24 Thread david

I run Debian 11. Their repository shows RG v20.12-1.

I then installed the 22.12 .deb that was supplied by Michael.

When I ran it, I got RG 22.12 showing.

When I updated using Synaptic package manager, it shows v22.12-1 as the 
installed version and states that version is "upgradable" to the 
repository version (20.12-1).


After removing RG, I grabbed the code from git and recompiled. That gave 
me v23.06 (developmental snapshot). It seems to work fine.


But Debian 11 still insists I have 22.12, upgradable to 20.12.

23.06 seems to work fine, so if there's no other way to sort this out, 
ok. But are there any ideas about that? Particularly, the "upgradable" 
weirdness. That and one other problematic application (Thunderbird's new 
version isn't any good at "upgrading" an existing installation) stand 
between me and just running apt update/upgrade to keep the system current.


Thanks to our beautiful developers for the RG update, still loving the 
program and looking forward to doing more with it in 2023!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Announcement in Linux Musicians' Forum

2022-12-20 Thread david
I installed the package downloaded from Michael's website below. Things 
seem to work fine.


When I started it from the terminal, I got this:

[AlsaDriver] setCurrentTimer(): WARNING: using system timer with only  
250 Hz resolution!

[Composition] getTrackById( 0 ): WARNING: Track ID not found.
[Composition]   Available track ids are:
[AlsaDriver] renameDevice(): WARNING: Cannot find device  1 in port map
no more csLADSPA plugins
do_connect: could not connect to socket
connect: No such file or directory
[SequenceManager] Rosegarden: WARNING: No accurate sequencer timer 
available (and kernel is new enough for RTC addendum)
[RosegardenMainWindow] slotDisplayWarning(): MAIN WINDOW DISPLAY 
WARNING:  type  2  text "System timer resolution is too low!"


After I closed it, I found this:

defaultAudioEditor = /usr/bin/audacity
[ResourceFinder] getResourcePath(): Resource file " "Feta.xml" " for 
category " "/fonts/mappings" " not found.
[ResourceFinder] getResourcePath(): Resource file " "Feta.xml" " for 
category " "/fonts/mappings" " not found.

[Composition] dtor: WARNING: 3 observers still extant:
[Composition]    0x55f7eff0ea98 : N10Rosegarden17TrackParameterBoxE
[Composition]    0x55f7f04f44d0 : N10Rosegarden20CompositionModelImplE
[Composition]    0x55f7f08b4fe0 : N10Rosegarden12TrackButtonsE

This is on Debian kernel 5.10.0-20-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.158-2 
(2022-12-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux.


Ideas?

On 12/9/22 03:27, MST wrote:
I took the liberty to announce the release of v22.12 in Linux 
Musicians' Forum.
A package for Debian 11 64 bit can be downloaded from my website 
"www.stockinger.org/musik.html".

Dear Devs, I thank you very much for your efforts!
Greetings, Michael
*Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 07. Dezember 2022 um 16:28 Uhr
*Von:* "Ted Felix" 
*An:* "rosegarden-user" 
*Betreff:* [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 22.12 RELEASED
== ROSEGARDEN 22.12 RELEASED ==

The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 22.12
of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of
music notation along with basic support for digital audio.

http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

Included in this release...

= Bug Fixes =

* Fix a crash when deleting segments that are visible in notation.
[e67b14a]
* Hide the experimental Channel Fixed/Auto widgets behind a
preference. To re-enable: Edit > Preferences > General >
Auto Channels (experimental). [eda6701]
* Fix the Base Velocity dialog in the Event Editor which was
missing Ok/Cancel buttons. [aa3218e]
* Fix lilypond syntax error when exporting lyrics. Bug #1639.
[1702b0f]
* Fix restore of keyboard in the shortcut editor. Feature request
#511. [44ce000]
* Fix "out of processor power" dialog always coming up on some
systems. Feature request #496. [adab9c3]
* Fix MIDI file merge disconnects connections. Bug #1645.
[fe70e17]

= New Features =

* Advanced Looping rewrite including indicators in the Loop Ruler.
Enable via the preferences. Edit > Preferences > General >
Advanced Looping (beta).
* Jump to loop feature. Edit > Preferences > General >
Jump to loop. [69350eb]
* Loop buttons added to the main, matrix, and notation toolbars.
[833ea5f]
* Ask "Replace or Merge?" on file drop. Feature request #510.
[071e2a8]

= Additional Contributors =

* Scott Snyder

Ted.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Autosave user interface

2022-10-24 Thread david

On 10/18/22 07:07, Will Godfrey wrote:

On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 12:30:56 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:


   Off the top of my head, I thought we popped up a dialog on launch (or
an attempt to open) that said, "hey, I found an autosave from the last
crash.  Should I open that?"  The user should never dig through the
autosave directory.  Is this not what is happening?  Did you try just
loading the file that was open during a crash?  Maybe something is broken?

Ted.

That's always happened for me.

A question: What version of Rosegarden was the original poster referring 
to about this?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-13 Thread david

On 9/13/22 05:36, Yves Guillemot wrote:

Le Tue, 13 Sep 2022 15:51:02 +0100,
David Legg  a écrit :


When you say, 'Add room' , is the 'room' to be added just empty
space, or is it an empty segment, or something else?

It's just empty space on the track.
A repeating segment is repeated until another segment is found on the
same track.
If this other segment immediatly follows the repeating one,
there is no repetition at all.
If there is no other segment on the track, the segment is repeated
until the end of the composition.

Yves


And here's a thank you from another David for your explanation! :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-13 Thread David Legg

Thanks, Yves.

When you say, 'Add room' , is the 'room' to be added just empty space, 
or is it an empty segment, or something else?


:D

On 13/09/2022 15:11, Yves Guillemot wrote:

- Add room in the composition to allow the repetition of segments.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-12 Thread David Legg

Thanks, Yves. I have attached the .rg file for you to look at.

I think it was originally created in about 2015. I have never seen the 
printing of the repeats segment working.


The repeat marks |: and :| are visible when in Rosegarden using the 
linear view, but they disappear when I do a 'Print Preview'.


Cheers.

:D

On 11/09/2022 13:49, Yves Guillemot wrote:

Le 10 septembre 2022 à 15H36 (+0100)
David Legg  a écrit :

Thank you for the suggestion, but yes I did check

"Use repeats when possible".


I can't see this issue here.

Could you, please, send an example showing the problem ?

The mailing list only accepts very small attachments so, please, upload
it somewhere or mail it directly to me.

Yves


1_reasons9_2_staves_piano.rg
Description: application/rosegarden-composition
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-10 Thread David Legg

Sorry; forgot to cc the list :(

Thank you for the suggestion, but yes I did check

"Use repeats when possible".

:D

On 09/09/2022 19:10, Yves Guillemot wrote:

Le Fri, 9 Sep 2022 18:37:05 +0100,
David Legg  a écrit :


Thanks for replying, Yves.

You are welcome 

I simply clicked on the print button in Rosegarden. It automatically
used lilypond to create the PDF file.


Did you check the "Use repeats when possible" box in the Lilypond
preview options dialog ?

Yves




On 09/09/2022 19:10, Yves Guillemot wrote:

Le Fri, 9 Sep 2022 18:37:05 +0100,
David Legg  a écrit :


Thanks for replying, Yves.

You are welcome :)

I simply clicked on the print button in Rosegarden. It automatically
used lilypond to create the PDF file.


Did you check the "Use repeats when possible" box in the Lilypond
preview options dialog ?

Yves

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[Rosegarden-user] printing repeats

2022-09-09 Thread David Legg
Does anyone know how to get repeated segments to print via lilypond with 
the |: :| marks actually showing in the previewed PDF file, please? 
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I could not see it anywhere.


I have:

rosegarden4-21.12-1.fc36.x86_64
lilypond-2.23.12-1.fc36.x86_64

on Fedora 36.

Ta,

David Legg

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] SysEx banks?

2022-09-06 Thread david

On 9/6/22 10:50, Andrew S wrote:
Just occurred to me - Rosegarden could have SysEx banks, similar in 
structure, XML storage,  and UI widgetry, to the instrument banks it 
already has.
They would be similarly defined per synth make & model ... and 
similarly bundled with the app and shared, with the distributed list 
gradually growing.
(Probably a bit less work to add as a feature than the drag-move event 
band I posted about earlier today?)


Hmm, aren't SysExes proprietary, perhaps even undocumented or secret?

Perhaps a tool for the user to create their own SysEx specific to their 
hardware?


I don't know anything really about SysExes, just going on a vague 
recollection about them being proprietary.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list

2022-09-03 Thread David W. Jones


On September 2, 2022 11:55:27 PM HST, Will Godfrey 
 wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 16:04:08 -1000
> david  wrote:
> 
> >So what Raspberry Pi kits do you use? What are your prices?
> >
> >The Raspberry Pi 400 seems good to me. I like the idea of having a 
> >keyboard unit and a touch screen. Although something bigger than 7" 
> >would be better. I have an 8" Samsung tablet. If I can get it working 
> >again and replace the Samsung Android with /e/os, then it can be used as 
> >a tablet on other computers. I think they can also be used as a screen.
> 
> Just adding a link, then taking this off list, before the Rosegarden devs 
> start
> jumping up and down!
> http://www.musically.me.uk/YoshimiPi/index.html

Thanks.

But your product does include Rosegarden...so they might not jump up and down 
too much. 


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list

2022-09-02 Thread david

On 9/2/22 00:14, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 21:46:04 -1000
david  wrote:


Mahalo nui loa (thank you very much, in Hawaiian) to our wonderful
Rosegarden developers.

Various career changes happened this year, courtesy of my employer
outsourcing about 16% of its staff and deciding that neither it nor the
outsourcer had any place for me. That just accelerated retirement plans
by a few months. But it certainly gives me more time to make music with
Rosegarden!

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the last 8?  :-))

Yup. Think that might keep the cryptominers busy long enough? ;)

I retired in 2003, two major surgeries, no more smoking and far less drinking 
later I can honestly say that I've never been busier or happier. And YES, 
Rosegarden is a part of it albeit I would say that my music is at a pedestrian 
level (I'm just now building my first midi, of a favorite song).
I'm more centered on making scores with Rosegarden, and hearing them, 
without requiring other musicians. Or skills beyond what I already have.

  My late father-in-law had spent his life running bulldozers and every manner 
of heavy equipment building roads. When he retired he became an aviation fan 
starting with RC models and ending with several real airplanes that he flew and 
twice crashed, the sight of machinery just made him puke but he had a ball. Me 
I had spent my life flying and when I retired I had had my fill of endless 
nights with hundres strapped to my butt; now there's nothing I enjoy more than 
slowly cleaning up in the woods with my backhoe loader, listening to the birds 
and smelling the pines.
My wife's cousin was an engineer at JPL. The guy the science experiment 
teams went to after deciding what they needed to measure and how 
precisely they needed it measured. He'd take their specifications and 
design and fabricate the equipment needed to do that. After he retired, 
he kept doing that on the side (need a custom circuit board or silicon? 
No problem!) and moved up into the Sierra Nevada foothills on a big 
swath of pine forest. So far, he's built a snowboarding course (their 
son's a professional snowboarder) and an overlook, graded a trail around 
the property edge, etc.

Let's not forget music, which I took up to forestall brain-rot.


Sounds like you and Michael, our famous truck-driving Rosegarden man, 
could have a grand time visiting!


My dad was an automechanic all his life and still kept doing it and 
handman things. I don't do auto repair stuff anymore, but some handyman 
things are fun. Currently sorting out how to mount our assorted bits of 
networking hardware on the wall, so we'll still have working internet 
after the furniture is hauled out for the floor repairs. Should probably 
mount the TV on an arm on the wall, too.



Moral of the story? You'll be busier and for you I certainly hope happier than 
ever before. But be warned that it's like a bicycle because if you stop you 
keel over; it's also like toilet-paper, the closer to the end the faster it 
spools off :-)


I know. Keeping busy is a good way to live longer!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list

2022-09-02 Thread david

On 9/1/22 22:11, Will Godfrey wrote:

On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 21:46:04 -1000
david  wrote:


Mahalo nui loa (thank you very much, in Hawaiian) to our wonderful
Rosegarden developers.

Various career changes happened this year, courtesy of my employer
outsourcing about 16% of its staff and deciding that neither it nor the
outsourcer had any place for me. That just accelerated retirement plans
by a few months. But it certainly gives me more time to make music with
Rosegarden!

Ha!
What makes you think retiring gives you more free time? You'll soon discover it
seems to work in reverse :P

Welcome to the club!


Thanks, Will!

I've already encountered that.  There's a few things around the house, 
like replacing our termite-eaten floor, redoing the bathroom, assorted 
things like that. And writing stories, poems, songs, etc, etc. We paid 
off the house two years ago, but that just means it's nearly 30 years 
old and needs attention. :(


But it helps address a health difficulty. My back can only handle 
sitting for so long. No longer having to spend 8 hours a day sitting at 
work means I can spend my "sitting budget" on better things.


Will - you still making your little Yoshimi synthesizer boxes?

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[Rosegarden-user] Thanks to Rosegarden developers and wondering if I'm still on list

2022-09-02 Thread david
Mahalo nui loa (thank you very much, in Hawaiian) to our wonderful 
Rosegarden developers.


Various career changes happened this year, courtesy of my employer 
outsourcing about 16% of its staff and deciding that neither it nor the 
outsourcer had any place for me. That just accelerated retirement plans 
by a few months. But it certainly gives me more time to make music with 
Rosegarden!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] channel: auto/fixed

2022-06-28 Thread david
Mine is set to fixed. I seem to recall having problems when it was set 
to auto. I don't remember what they were now. Maybe it was overriding 
settings in Zyn or Yoshimi?


I have one digital keyboard workstation synth set up. I just use it as a 
keyboard, and to output its built-in sounds (Yamaha and GM). Mostly I 
use Yoshimi.


Would auto be useful for the drum channels? But even then, you might 
have an assortment of drum instruments available (external synths, drum 
machines, Yoshimi, etc). Which one would auto grab for the drum channel?


I don't use a drum machine or the drum channel, so really have no idea 
what I'm talking about there. But guessing is always fun! ;)


Unless maybe auto was turned into "automatically connect however the RG 
studio is set up"? Or does RG already do that?


On 6/27/22 13:32, Ted Felix wrote:
  The idea was to allow rosegarden to allocate channels as needed on a 
synth to make it appear as if there were more than 16.


  In practice, it was a rather complicated change to the code that 
wasn't fully tested before it was merged.


  You can achieve the same effect manually by including bank 
switch/program changes at the beginning of your segments.


  We could remove that combobox and only make it appear based on an 
experimental preference.  That would be less confusing.  If no one 
objects.  Votes for/against would be helpful.


  Input from anyone who currently uses "Auto" mode on a regular basis 
would also be helpful.


Ted.

On 6/27/22 8:04 AM, Patrick May wrote:
Is this feature useful? What's it useful for? All I remember is that 
when it appeared in Rosegarden, it would randomly break my songs 
until I manually set everything to Fixed (because back then Auto was 
default)


And now my experience is, it randomly breaks my songs when I misclick 
with my mouse and accidentally change a channel from Fixed to Auto.


So, what is this feature ever useful for?



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[Rosegarden-user] Sorry, haven't seen any email for a couple of days

2022-06-21 Thread David W. Jones
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently

2022-06-15 Thread David W. Jones



On June 15, 2022 4:04:31 AM HST, "Tom Breton (Tehom)"  wrote:
> > I use heuristic quantizer after recording a playing session. My problem is
> > I'm not good at keeping machine-perfect tempi. (Well, I don't think any
> > human can be as precise as MIDI). So it usually needs a lot of tweaking. I
> > usually add a new track below the recorded track and manually put new
> > notes in the right places on the new track.
> 
> That's what I wrote the FitToBeats command to help fix.  Even aside from
> keeping machine-perfect tempi, if you use any rubato at all you'll quickly
> disagree with the metronome.  The idea is that you play it with as much
> rubato as you want, then you make Rosegarden's tempo conform to that by
> selecting notes on the beats and then FitToBeats.  It's been a while so I
> don't remember how it got the old notes into the new tempo but there was
> something to do it and then it lined up nicely.
> 
> Tom Breton (Tehom)

Why, thank you, Tom! I didn't know that command existed at all. :) 


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantizing intelligently

2022-06-13 Thread David W. Jones
I use heuristic quantizer after recording a playing session. My problem is I'm 
not good at keeping machine-perfect tempi. (Well, I don't think any human can 
be as precise as MIDI). So it usually needs a lot of tweaking. I usually add a 
new track below the recorded track and manually put new notes in the right 
places on the new track.

When focussed on putting notes into a score, I manually put notes on the score 
using the mouse pointer.

I don't think either quantizer does a good job for scores. Especially if 
there's more than one melody on a track. Example, 4-part harmony, RG has a 
propensity for misaliging notes of different durations, like 1/8, 1/4, 1/2. If 
I have a held half note in the bass and other voices have 1/8 notes, I have to 
turn the half note into 1/8 notes and tie them together to get melodies aligned 
right on the score. This happens even if I do them each on a seperate track, 
then merge tracks together into a single staff.


On June 13, 2022 3:09:08 PM HST, prad via Rosegarden-user 
 wrote:
> i understand from the wiki that heuristic notation quantization is for 
> adjusting
> "note start times and durations so as to produce readable notation"
> 
> the segment on
> Notation from performance data
> gives some tips on how to use it, even saying
> "Rosegarden includes a quantizer designed to do a slightly better job of this 
> than
> the plain grid quantizer."
> 
> however, i haven't had much luck so far - there is always an excess of rests.
> 
> possibly i'm doing things wrong.
> 
> if i use grid quantization though, i tend to have better results.
> 
> anyone here use an effective system for quantization?
> or do most people just use step recording to produce notation?
> 


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] OT: My (new) sig (was: Re: Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?)

2022-06-13 Thread David W. Jones
The Oxford Comma is a vital part of English civilization.

On June 13, 2022 12:24:42 PM HST, Al Thompson  wrote:
> The Oxford Comma is a vital part of written communication.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022, 11:46 AM  wrote:
> 
> > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 04:37:03 PM krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 08:07:01 -0400
> > > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > Thinking about it -- I don't have a sig, I might make that my sig.
> > > >
> > > > I'm thinking about how to incorporate into it that very short videos
> > > > (15
> > > > to 60 seconds, with a minimum of "chatter" by the narrator / "host")
> > > > can
> > > > be useful in some cases.  (Just tell me (either in written text or in
> > > > the first 5 seconds what I should be seeing, then show me, maybe
> > > > summarize or repeat in slow(er) motion.
> >
> > Just wanted to try this out, an early attempt at a sig -- I will probably
> > continue to "wordsmith" it (I've made several variations already).
> >
> > Oh, I'm waiting for someone to ask about the Oxford comma -- when they do,
> > I'll point out that one company lost $10M due to a missing Oxford comma (I
> > can
> > provide a link to that -- I don't know if the case has been appealed to
> > the
> > Supreme Court), and missing Oxford commas may lead to cannabalism (didn't
> > look
> > for a link to that one -- judicious googling may lead to the humorous
> > examples
> > (I assume none are true ;-) that involve someone getting eaten or such.
> >
> > --
> > A picture (or sketch, diagram, or chart) is worth a thousand words --
> > divide
> > by 10 for each minute of (or audio) -- or, where feasible, create a
> > transcript
> > and edit it to 10% of the original!  (Oxford comma included in this sig at
> > no
> > charge.)



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi plugins vs soft synths vs synth plugins

2022-06-09 Thread david

On 6/8/22 09:40, Ted Felix wrote:

On 6/8/22 3:03 PM, prad wrote:

and learned that by default
preempt=full
and that i append it to
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=
(and not the way i was doing it).

also, to not go lowlatency you can append:
preempt=none


  Good stuff.  Thanks for this.  I will work it into my next update 
for my linux MIDI page.


Ted.


FWIW, I just tried Debian's 5.10.0-14-rt kernel on my Dell laptop (where 
the non-rt version runs fine), and all it did was flash a message about 
being unable to initialize some USB device, then it switched to the 
graphic screen and froze.


Oh, well!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED

2022-06-09 Thread david
I used the GIT method and got 22.12 instead but it looks lovely and 
works. :)


On 6/8/22 13:46, David W. Jones wrote:

Hurrah, sounds luscious! Time to remember how to compile!

On June 8, 2022 11:46:43 AM HST, Ted Felix  wrote:

== ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED ==

The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 22.06
of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of
music notation along with basic support for digital audio.

   http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

Included in this release...

= Bug Fixes =

   * Improve Cut/Copy/Delete behavior in both the matrix and the
 notation editors.  Bug #1601.
   * "Scroll to Follow Playback" now remembers its last setting.
 Bug #1606.
   * Fixed a problem in notation with note selection and the blue
 indication.  Bug #1496.
   * Fixed volume and pan issues with older .rg files.  [51647cc]
   * Changed "For Notation" to "Exclude from Printing" in the
 Segment Parameters.
   * Fix confusing relative values in the "Insert Controller Sequence"
 dialog for volume and expression.  [14ff99a]
   * When changing the audio file path, the user is asked whether
 they want to move the audio files to the new location.  [71a62e6]
   * Fix stuck green preview note when switching modes.  Bug #1614.
   * Fix modified flag (*) not cleared when saving in notation.
 Bug #1617.
   * Fix RG stopping JACK transport when it shouldn't.  Bug #1051.
   * Fixed toolbar mode buttons not reflecting current state when
 Esc is pressed.  Bug #1615.  [f651345]
   * Notation: Fix green preview only available in one staff.
 Bug #1619.
   * Fixed issues when building with Qt6.  Feature Request #490.
   * Fixed bad rendering of note heads at small font sizes.  Bug #1484.
   * Fixed an endless loop in notation.  [7d734f7]
   * Improved management of audio file paths.  Bug #1283.  Feature
 Requests #494 and #495.
   * Simplify editing of audio instrument label in audio parameters
 panel.
   * Fixed display bugs in matrix editor.  Bug #1622.  [b4425d7]
   * Fix collapse notes in matrix.  Bug #1575.  [521ad4e]
   * Fix scrollbar issues in main window combo boxes.
 Feature Request #502.  [abdf22b]
   * Fix deletes in the tempo/time signature editor.  Bug #1628.
 [d55eea5]
   * Fix problems editing multiple segments in matrix.  Bug #1624.
 [8c1c6bc]
   * Notation: fix crash when segment is deleted.  Bug #1260.  [cf0a28d]
   * Notation: fix crash when undoing an Add Layer.  Bug #1260.
 [7a1b6bf]
   * Notation: fix note move issue.  Bug #1629.  [ba70dcf]
   * Fix lilypond export sometimes ignores time signature.  Bug #1620.
 [b7b16df]
   * Fix hairpins not always exported to LilyPond.  Bug #1620.
 [f57cbd9]
   * Fix missing "StartupWMClass" in .desktop file.  Bug #1635.
 [d3f5298]
   * Fix chord ruler.  Bug #1633.  [2b2fbf7]
   * Fix Event Filter dialog clearing selection on first launch.
 [52c2f90]
   * Fix lilypond common/cut time signatures.  Bug #1637.  [1c83f8b]
   * Fix a crash when unquantizing using the quantize combo box on the
 editors.  [329ab46]
   * Fix a crash when resizing segments.  Bug #1638.  [cdec668]
   * Fix a refresh issue when using the toolbar undo button.  [2a01178]

= New Features =

   * Stop playback at end of last segment.  (Preference.)
   * Advanced Looping.  (Experimental preference.)  Bug #1605.
   * Keyboard shortcut editor.  Feature Request #412.

= Additional Contributors =

   * Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation
   * Kevin Cole - Yamaha PSR-220/230 device file

Ted.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi

2022-06-08 Thread david

On 6/8/22 19:35, prad wrote:

david  writes:


I seem to have lost my audio device somewhere in this process. I should
never have tested pipewire - it messed things up and even uninstalling
it and removing config hasn't fixed it.


pipewire is working nicely for me (at least for what i'm doing anyway).
i also installed
pipewire-alsa
pipewire-jack (i think that's needed for audio in rg)

wireplumber (policy manager for pipewire)

qpwgraph (equivalent of qjackctl, but better imho because you can space
things out for visibility)

i can show you my configs, if you think it'll help.
i'm on archlinux though.

Thanks. I'm on Debian 11. I'm not enough interested in Pipewire to 
pursue it. Jack and ALSA work for me.


I never heard of wireplumber pr qpwgraph. I use Cadenza and it's Catia 
tool for graph connections when necessary.


I got my audio device back after shutting down and restarting. My USB 
audio card is connected to my Thunderbold 3 dock, and every once in 
awhile the Thunderbolt hardware decides to drop one or more of the 
devices connected to Thunderbolt. Sometimes it's the audio card or the 
USB optical drive when I have it connected, but mostly it's the Ethernet 
connection. Oh, well!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi

2022-06-08 Thread david

On 6/8/22 18:28, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 18:09:40 -0700
prad  wrote:


krsg...@trixtar.org writes:



Once I solve this I want to try the standalone Yoshimi


don't know if this is of any help to you, krsgrdn, but i have just had
some success with rg and yoshimi after considerable fiddling (due to my
own ignorance about all this). i posted how i did it on linuxmusicians:
https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=64=24573=145728#p145728

Thanks, I looked at it and I sometimes lurk on that forum too but my problems 
are before that stage so to speak. Found the Yoshimi.rgd but I have no 
~/.local/share/rosegarden/library folder to put it into. I'm working with Suse 
Tumbleweed right now using Yoshimi-2.2.0 and rosegarden-22.06 which are both 
bleeding-edge. So, following my usual procedure

1 start qjackctl
2 start qsynth
3 start yoshimi standalone

I can fiddle with yoshimi and even load a patch and play its virtual keyboard. 
I could do exactly the same with Zybaddsubfx standalone but will now just keep 
things simple, so

4 start rosegarden

In the qjackctl 'connect' window Yoshimi is connected to system, I also connect 
it to rosegarden (probably not needed).

As a result there is no trace of yoshimi anything in rosegarden. The rosegarden 
"Manage MIDI Devices" window shows only a single General MIDI entry in the left 
Playback window and in MIDI-Outputs only two input ports as being available: 129:0 
Synth-Input and 14:0 Midi-Through. There SHOULD be another port there for each standalone 
synth started, such as yoshimi OR zynadsubfx, as soon as I start Yoshimi but there isn't. 
THIS is my problem at this point (as far as I can tell).


If I recall correctly, I had to start Yoshimi with the -A and -j options:

-A, --alsa-audio[=] Use ALSA audio output.

-j, --jack-midi[=] Use JACK MIDI input.

But I was just now fiddling with things with RG 22.12 (freshly compiled) 
and Yoshimi 2.2 (freshly compiled) and I'm not seeing Yoshimi in RG 
although I can get sound from Yoshimi playing it's virtual keyboard or 
using my external keyboard.


I seem to have lost my audio device somewhere in this process. I should 
never have tested pipewire - it messed things up and even uninstalling 
it and removing config hasn't fixed it.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED

2022-06-08 Thread David W. Jones
Hurrah, sounds luscious! Time to remember how to compile!

On June 8, 2022 11:46:43 AM HST, Ted Felix  wrote:
> == ROSEGARDEN 22.06 RELEASED ==
> 
> The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 22.06
> of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of
> music notation along with basic support for digital audio.
> 
>   http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
> 
> Included in this release...
> 
> = Bug Fixes =
> 
>   * Improve Cut/Copy/Delete behavior in both the matrix and the
> notation editors.  Bug #1601.
>   * "Scroll to Follow Playback" now remembers its last setting.
> Bug #1606.
>   * Fixed a problem in notation with note selection and the blue
> indication.  Bug #1496.
>   * Fixed volume and pan issues with older .rg files.  [51647cc]
>   * Changed "For Notation" to "Exclude from Printing" in the
> Segment Parameters.
>   * Fix confusing relative values in the "Insert Controller Sequence"
> dialog for volume and expression.  [14ff99a]
>   * When changing the audio file path, the user is asked whether
> they want to move the audio files to the new location.  [71a62e6]
>   * Fix stuck green preview note when switching modes.  Bug #1614.
>   * Fix modified flag (*) not cleared when saving in notation.
> Bug #1617.
>   * Fix RG stopping JACK transport when it shouldn't.  Bug #1051.
>   * Fixed toolbar mode buttons not reflecting current state when
> Esc is pressed.  Bug #1615.  [f651345]
>   * Notation: Fix green preview only available in one staff.
> Bug #1619.
>   * Fixed issues when building with Qt6.  Feature Request #490.
>   * Fixed bad rendering of note heads at small font sizes.  Bug #1484.
>   * Fixed an endless loop in notation.  [7d734f7]
>   * Improved management of audio file paths.  Bug #1283.  Feature
> Requests #494 and #495.
>   * Simplify editing of audio instrument label in audio parameters
> panel.
>   * Fixed display bugs in matrix editor.  Bug #1622.  [b4425d7]
>   * Fix collapse notes in matrix.  Bug #1575.  [521ad4e]
>   * Fix scrollbar issues in main window combo boxes.
> Feature Request #502.  [abdf22b]
>   * Fix deletes in the tempo/time signature editor.  Bug #1628.
> [d55eea5]
>   * Fix problems editing multiple segments in matrix.  Bug #1624.
> [8c1c6bc]
>   * Notation: fix crash when segment is deleted.  Bug #1260.  [cf0a28d]
>   * Notation: fix crash when undoing an Add Layer.  Bug #1260.
> [7a1b6bf]
>   * Notation: fix note move issue.  Bug #1629.  [ba70dcf]
>   * Fix lilypond export sometimes ignores time signature.  Bug #1620.
> [b7b16df]
>   * Fix hairpins not always exported to LilyPond.  Bug #1620.
> [f57cbd9]
>   * Fix missing "StartupWMClass" in .desktop file.  Bug #1635.
> [d3f5298]
>   * Fix chord ruler.  Bug #1633.  [2b2fbf7]
>   * Fix Event Filter dialog clearing selection on first launch.
> [52c2f90]
>   * Fix lilypond common/cut time signatures.  Bug #1637.  [1c83f8b]
>   * Fix a crash when unquantizing using the quantize combo box on the
> editors.  [329ab46]
>   * Fix a crash when resizing segments.  Bug #1638.  [cdec668]
>   * Fix a refresh issue when using the toolbar undo button.  [2a01178]
> 
> = New Features =
> 
>   * Stop playback at end of last segment.  (Preference.)
>   * Advanced Looping.  (Experimental preference.)  Bug #1605.
>   * Keyboard shortcut editor.  Feature Request #412.
> 
> = Additional Contributors =
> 
>   * Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation
>   * Kevin Cole - Yamaha PSR-220/230 device file
> 
> Ted.
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?

2022-06-08 Thread David W. Jones


On June 8, 2022 8:06:45 AM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:31:26 +0200
> Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
> 
> > I'm wondering if, maybe after the next release, it would make sense to 
> > have some addendums to the current documentation which in some cases 
> > might be a bit dated, e.g. advising to use plugins, with especially DSSI 
> > not being the most maintained in distributions. Even the more 'current' 
> > formats like videos? I think this should be a user community effort and 
> > I always wondered if they'd be useful or not...
> 
> I second that, but I also understand the devs' dilema i.e. to code or to 
> explain?

Well, as a former technical writer, I've noticed the big shortage of 
documentation in the open-source universe...not just for Rosegarden. Michael 
did a great job on the original Rosegarden manual, but that hasn't been updated.

> What I do notice often is that a really valiant effort is made to teach 
> landing on Mars 
> without first showing how to hit escape-velocity back here in Earth orbit 
> before leaving, 
> if you know what I mean :-)))

Yes. The very basic issue of getting sound out of audio-creation tools in 
Linux, for instance.

> Case in point, qjackctl: the assumption seems to be made that users are 
> already
> familiar with hardware connections. "I" have NEVER connected any hardware 
> other
> than my guitar fx_board into the sound-card 1/4" Line-In jack, so when "I" 
> look at
> that fancy connections graph I wear the remaining hear of my head scratching 
> it. 
>TOTALLY lost, guesswork from beginning to end! 

The connections graphs work for me, perhaps I'm more visual?

I use Audacity instead of Ardour because I never got sound out of Ardour. 
Ardour's design seems to be built around the proven, industry-standard giant 
mixer board - great if you're fluent in audio engineering. Not so great for 
simpler uses!

I also couldn't make heads or tails out of connecting things in Ardour. That 
was years ago, presumably Ardour's gotten better at it. Maybe an optional 
"Beginner's First Setup" wizard runs, a series of questions such as "Here's a 
list of your sound outputs - which do you want to use for your default output?"

Maybe Rosegarden could do something similar?

> My 2 cents, LOVE rosegarden btw.

Me, too! Very useful hybrid that makes sense to me because I can approach it 
from a place I understand: music notation.

If I were going to vote for features and future development, I'd vote for 
improving the notation editor and better score handling. But apparently that's 
now passé, and tools like Denemo do it so much better, so why bother?

Do people actually "write" music anymore, or just "sequence" it or keep it as 
projects in their DAWs? Or am I just a dinosaur? I'll be retiring next month, 
so maybe I am a dinosaur. 

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rest in notation

2022-05-28 Thread david

On 5/27/22 04:29, Mario Moles wrote:

Hi!

Is possible to move the rests in score for a best lilipond pdf?

Thanks!


Hmm, I think rests are calculated. I don't think they can be moved.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Matrix Editor Improvements (editing multiple segments)

2022-04-19 Thread David W. Jones


On April 19, 2022 9:21:33 AM HST, Will Godfrey  
wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 09:38:16 -0700
> mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user  
> wrote:
> 
> >On 4/15/22 3:04 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
> >> As a compulsive matrix-er I'll give this a run :)  
> >
> >Thanks, Will. Matrix Editor FTW! ;)  I'm interested in any 
> >feedback/suggestions you'd care to provide.
> >
> >There's quite a bit more in the pipeline, some of which can be seen at:
> >
> >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/
> >https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/
> >
> >Including:
> >
> >Bug #1623 Matrix Editor: MIDI output should play active segment's instrument
> >Feature #501 Unified Matrix/​Percussion Editor
> >Feature #503 Matrix Editor note colors
> >Feature #504 Matrix Editor: Change active segment, alternate tools, 
> >context-sensitive actions
> >Feature #500 Matrix Editor grid highlight modes
> >
> >Again, I'd be interested in your comments -- and any bug reports :(  -- 
> >if and when these make it out into the world and you have the chance to 
> >test them. You could also take a pre-release look via the git branches on:
> >
> >https://sourceforge.net/u/thanks4opensrc/rosegarden/ci/master/tree/
> >
> >They're slightly out of date but I should be pushing a lot of new code 
> >to there in the next few days.
> 
> Being a bit busy myself, I can't really dedicate time to this, but will keep a
> watch out generally. I'm using the Rosegarden matrix window pretty much
> constantly, so should hit anything bad sooner or later. I'll let you know
> if/when I do!

I don't use the matrix window (I prefer seeing scores), I'm considering some 
ideas that might actually be easier to do in the matrix window.

> >> Something I've been meaning to as for some time is (in view->rulers) 
> >> whether
> >> some of the less used controller types such as reverb and chorus could be
> >> replaced with arbitrary user definable types. I frequently MIDI-learn 
> >> Yoshimi's
> >> internal controls and this would make things a lot easier.  
> >
> >That's an interesting idea. You might want to write it up a an official 
> >Feature Request. I don't know if I'll be able to attempt implementing it 
> >as my interest in Rosegarden and the Matrix Editor is more geared 
> >towards music theory as compared to your very impressive music 
> >production on bandcamp. In particular, I'd like to do some work 
> >improving the Chord Name Ruler vs the more performance-oriented 
> >controllers you describe.
> 
> Feature request now there :)
> Something I didn't mention, because it's somewhat specialised and probably a
> non starter, would be the ability to draw curves, rather than have straight
> lines.

Hey, I like drawing curves!

> >Off-topic, I haven't had much luck with Yoshimi, or rather its 
> >predecessor zynaddsubfx. 

I've had much more luck with Yoshimi than Zyaddsubfx.

> You've done some amazing work with the former, 
> >so maybe I'll ask you for some tips about using either/both of them. ;)
> 
> Careful what you wish for. Once people start me off on Yoshimi they sometimes
> have a hard time getting me to stop :)

And so far the results are wonderful!

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> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Improve the parameter knobs

2022-02-14 Thread David W. Jones



Thanks. I wasn't aware of the right-click feature.

So keep double-click as is, try bigger knobs.

On February 13, 2022 4:11:31 PM HST, Ted Felix wrote:
>Currently, the knobs work as follows:
> 
> - Right-click resets to default.
> - Center-click sets to center (64 usually).
> - Double-click allows for specification of a precise value.
> 
> Ted.
> 
> On 2/13/22 12:02 PM, AV via Rosegarden-user wrote:
> > I would like the parameter knobs on the track and instrument parameters 
> > to be bigger so that they can be easier to use, especially when they 
> > have something as important as volume control; I think they're just too 
> > small. And it would be good if double clicking would reset the knobs to 
> > their default position.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Improve the parameter knobs

2022-02-13 Thread David W. Jones
I like the double click to reset.

I use RG on a 4K display, so it will be interesting seeing the usefulness of 
the larger knobs.

Toggle buttons for on/off make sense to me.

On February 13, 2022 2:49:43 PM HST, Ted Felix wrote:
>Thanks for the input.  I've opened Feature Request 499 to track this:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/499/
> 
> Ted.
> 
> On 2/13/22 12:02 PM, AV via Rosegarden-user wrote:
> > I would like the parameter knobs on the track and instrument parameters 
> > to be bigger so that they can be easier to use, especially when they 
> > have something as important as volume control; I think they're just too 
> > small. And it would be good if double clicking would reset the knobs to 
> > their default position.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio File Location Issue

2022-01-27 Thread David W. Jones
Makes perfect sense to me!

On January 27, 2022 4:09:04 PM HST, Ted Felix  wrote:
>To solve the audio file location issue (i.e. why is everything always 
> just dumped in ~/rosegarden), I was thinking we could have a dialog pop 
> up when saving with audio files for the first time.  It would ask where 
> you would like the audio files saved and provide the following options:
> 
> - To an "audio" directory where the document is saved.  (./audio)
>(Recommended.)  (default)
> 
> - To a directory named after the document in the directory where the
>document is saved.  (./document name)
> 
> - To the same directory where the document is saved.  (.)
> 
> - To a central audio file repository. (~/rosegarden-audio)
> 
>It might also have a "go with this from now on" option to avoid 
> showing the dialog ever again.
> 
>I think this (along with switching to 
> "~/.local/share/rosegarden/audio" for audio files before saving) would 
> satisfy all the issues described in the bugs and feature requests 
> related to audio paths:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1283/
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/494/
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/495/
> 
>Any objections before I dig into this?  The pop-up at save time is 
> the most annoying thing, but you really only need to configure it for 
> your preferred way of working once and that will be the default from 
> then on.
> 
> Ted.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Newbie question: Yamaha PSR-220 .rgd file?

2022-01-01 Thread david

On 1/1/22 10:45 AM, Kevin Cole wrote:

Hi,

I'm VERY new to Rosegarden, and MIDI devices in general. I'm on a
Pop!_OS 20.04 Linux box (effectively Ubuntu 20.04), running Rosegarden
19.12.  Someone sold me a used Yamaha PSR-220 cheap, and it seems to
be in good working condition -- not that I've ever had a keyboard
before.

So. As I understand things, it would be nice to have an ".rgd" file
that corresponds to my keyboard. I couldn't find such a file, but
decided to see if I could create one. (It wasn't obvious to me that
the existing ones were gzipped, but I found that out when I tried to
edit one.)

A few questions then:

1. Is there already a PSR-220 file somewhere? If so, where?

Good question. I have a PSR-225GM, that RGD file came with Rosegarden.

2. If not, is there a good description of how to create one? Looking
at a gunzipped Yamaha-PSR-E223-YPT-220.rgd, it looks like there's an
awful lot of info that I'm not certain how to collect.


That would be a good question for the wizards behind Rosegarden.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified

2021-10-12 Thread david

On 10/12/21 2:51 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

Thank you Dave, I created a Suse Live-USB which fails to
boot either of my machines. Also tried that jack_capture
switch without success (nothing happens, maybe more needs
to be set?). The AvLinux download is a snail's pace,
defered for now...

But I ain't giving up yet :-)


On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:02:41 -1000
"David W. Jones"  wrote:



Well, I suggested trying a live distro like AV-Linux just to see if the same 
problem happened there. I've used AV-Linux to get working audio configs for 
problem systems because it seems to handle audio better than standard distros 
like Debian or Ubuntu.


Well, I just checked things here. I had to remember to assign my tracks 
to my desired outtarget (Yoshimi) then make sure to have Yoshimi 
running. Then I started jack_capture with the -jt option. In Rosegarden, 
I went to View > Show Transport. Then click the Play button in RG's 
Transport window. And jack_capture happily recorded until RG stopped. 
Then jack_capture stopped.


I don't know about why Suse wouldn't boot on either of your machines. 
I've never tried Suse. Maybe a BIOS setting related to UEFI?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified

2021-10-05 Thread david
Well, ages ago, I tried Devuan on a machine. Installed but wouldn't run. 
So I've never looked at it again.


Have you tried booting your system using a live USB of one of the 
audio/media type distros like Ubuntu Studio or AV Linux and seeing if 
the same problem happens in those? They should already come equipped 
with the applications you use.


On 9/29/21 3:47 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

Suse is my go2 but I'm getting my feet wet
with Devuan partly because of this. I use
RG, qjckctl, qsynth, jack_capture, Audacity
and sometimes Zynn standalone as well as Hydrogen.
Having amongst others a Suse-Leap and a Tumbleweed
installation I used to just boot the other one
whenever any problem arose with running all of
the above. This has been happening with increasing
frequency and the other day neither one allowed
me a half decent session. So just maybe the problem
is not with RG, I really have noo idea..






On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:38:32 -1000
david  wrote:


Hmm, RG 21.12 here on Debian (Buster). No crashes from RG when using
jack_capture or Audacity to record. Note: I don't use RG for audio, so
I'm not opening an audio track from within RG.
Not helpful, but maybe fuel some ideas?

On 9/28/21 10:32 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

RG crashes on me every time I start jack_capture or Audacity
(Suse Leap-15.3/Tumbleweed), don't know why, so what I do
when I need these others is I first save the RG project
then start them before restarting RG


On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:02:18 +0100
Will Godfrey  wrote:


Firt off, I work entirely in the matrix editor, and recently I've been spending
a lot of time working on, and heavily editing, multi-track projects.

I will frequently open segment windows on several different tracks at the same
time, and also different segments on the *same* track. I'll often hold these
open, and just push them to the back of the stack when not actually managing.
On my system Rosegarden always seems to open these at exactly the same position
so it's very easy to forget what you've got open.

If you now delete one of the segments from the matrix window or move it to
another track. There is a high chance you'll either get a crash immediately, or
(more confusingly) the next time you hit 'Play'. The same applies if you join
two segments on the same track when both have a window open.

My suggestion is to check for any open windows on the relevant segments and
close them before such delete/move/join operations.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified

2021-09-28 Thread david
Hmm, RG 21.12 here on Debian (Buster). No crashes from RG when using 
jack_capture or Audacity to record. Note: I don't use RG for audio, so 
I'm not opening an audio track from within RG.

Not helpful, but maybe fuel some ideas?

On 9/28/21 10:32 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

RG crashes on me every time I start jack_capture or Audacity
(Suse Leap-15.3/Tumbleweed), don't know why, so what I do
when I need these others is I first save the RG project
then start them before restarting RG


On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:02:18 +0100
Will Godfrey  wrote:


Firt off, I work entirely in the matrix editor, and recently I've been spending
a lot of time working on, and heavily editing, multi-track projects.

I will frequently open segment windows on several different tracks at the same
time, and also different segments on the *same* track. I'll often hold these
open, and just push them to the back of the stack when not actually managing.
On my system Rosegarden always seems to open these at exactly the same position
so it's very easy to forget what you've got open.

If you now delete one of the segments from the matrix window or move it to
another track. There is a high chance you'll either get a crash immediately, or
(more confusingly) the next time you hit 'Play'. The same applies if you join
two segments on the same track when both have a window open.

My suggestion is to check for any open windows on the relevant segments and
close them before such delete/move/join operations.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] qjackctl & audio recording

2021-08-29 Thread david

On 8/29/21 5:12 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:


On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 18:50:25 -1000
david  wrote:


On 8/28/21 12:58 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 18:57:25 -1000
"David W. Jones"  wrote:



On August 27, 2021 3:30:56 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

There's a bit of qJackctl footwork required
each time in order to get an armed RG audio
track to record a segment playback.

Qsynth  RG
left   >Rec IN L
right  >Rec IN R

RG   Sys
mast out L>  PlyBck 1
mast out R>  PlyBck 2
rec mon out L >  PlyBck 1
rec mon out R >  PlyBck 2

https://tinyurl.com/dmawy493


But I still can't get in going (it used
to work before). All I get is an empty
*.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files"
dialog.

What am I missing?

Hmm, can't all that be set up in your RG studio?

Not in RG-20.12 that I can see, but if RG
starts jack than maybe it could make these
indispensable connections automatically.
So far I've been starting things up in
this order:

qjackctl
qsynth
rosegarden

Sounds like a job for a session manager.

https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/session_management
<https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/session_management>

I use Cadence to manage JACKD and that includes the Claudia session
management tool. There's also the new standalone Ubuntu Studio Tools (I
think that's the name) that was announced here on the list a couple of
weeks ago.

Sorry, I don't know how well session management tools work with RG.
Maybe others on the list can answer that.

I found this one with a very ambitious
mission statement:

https://github.com/jackaudio/new-session-manager

But before getting into whether I can or
cannot install yet another app on my desktop
I wanna get it working as was, before
whatever it was that I screwed up, manually
in the qjackctl connections dialog :-)

Yah, that's probably a more sensible thing to do.  I have JACKD running 
all the time here, so RG doesn't start it up. Might just need a script 
somewhere in the process.


Or rename the qjackctl RC file (IIRC) and try set it up again?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] qjackctl & audio recording

2021-08-28 Thread david

On 8/28/21 12:58 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 18:57:25 -1000
"David W. Jones"  wrote:



On August 27, 2021 3:30:56 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

There's a bit of qJackctl footwork required
each time in order to get an armed RG audio
track to record a segment playback.

Qsynth  RG
left   >Rec IN L
right  >Rec IN R

RG   Sys
mast out L>  PlyBck 1
mast out R>  PlyBck 2
rec mon out L >  PlyBck 1
rec mon out R >  PlyBck 2

https://tinyurl.com/dmawy493


But I still can't get in going (it used
to work before). All I get is an empty
*.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files"
dialog.

What am I missing?

Hmm, can't all that be set up in your RG studio?

Not in RG-20.12 that I can see, but if RG
starts jack than maybe it could make these
indispensable connections automatically.
So far I've been starting things up in
this order:

qjackctl
qsynth
rosegarden


Sounds like a job for a session manager.

https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/session_management 
<https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/session_management>


I use Cadence to manage JACKD and that includes the Claudia session 
management tool. There's also the new standalone Ubuntu Studio Tools (I 
think that's the name) that was announced here on the list a couple of 
weeks ago.


Sorry, I don't know how well session management tools work with RG. 
Maybe others on the list can answer that.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] qjackctl & audio recording

2021-08-27 Thread David W. Jones



On August 27, 2021 3:30:56 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> 
> There's a bit of qJackctl footwork required 
> each time in order to get an armed RG audio 
> track to record a segment playback. 
> 
> Qsynth  RG
> left   >Rec IN L
> right  >Rec IN R
> 
> RG   Sys
> mast out L>  PlyBck 1
> mast out R>  PlyBck 2
> rec mon out L >  PlyBck 1
> rec mon out R >  PlyBck 2
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/dmawy493
> 
> 
> But I still can't get in going (it used
> to work before). All I get is an empty
> *.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files" 
> dialog.
> 
> What am I missing?

Hmm, can't all that be set up in your RG studio?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Wandering Windows

2021-08-09 Thread David W. Jones
I've never noticed. I use XFCE, but my Rosegarden window is always maximized.

On August 9, 2021 1:27:07 PM HST, Patrick May  
wrote:
> I agree with Dr. Michael McIntyre. It doesn't look like there is much 
> that can be done here.
> 
> On 09/08/2021 05:23, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> > On 8/8/21 8:39 PM, Ted Felix wrote:
> >>    It's not wandering for me under GNOME.  Not sure there's anything 
> >> we can do here.
> > 
> > As I recall, we use a standard Qt mechanism in a totally standard way to 
> > set all this. If it doesn't actually work as advertised, what can we 
> > really do?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 21.06 RELEASED

2021-06-04 Thread david

On 6/3/21 12:48 AM, Babarosa wrote:

Hi David!

You compiled the code from the "Code (git)" tab which is already tagged for the 
next version which will be 21.12.
If you download the code from "Files" tab you'll get the 21.06 tagged version.
==
You always can open the file "CMakeLists.txt" in the main directory to change 
the version's name to whatever you like :-)

Greetings, Michael


On 6/3/21 3:32 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

On 6/3/21 12:33 AM, david wrote:
Now when I start RG, it announces itself as 21.12. So is the 21.06 
version number below wrong or am I doing something wrong?


 Neither.  What you are seeing is correct.  After the release, I bump 
the version in the git repo in preparation for the next release.


Ted.
Thanks, Ted and Michael! Regardless of version number, it looks great on 
my 4K laptop and Just Works(tm). :)


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 21.06 RELEASED

2021-06-02 Thread david
Hmm, I had RG 21.12 installed for testing. After removing RG, deleting 
my old RG GIT tree and regetting the files, I compiled (no problem) and 
did a make install ... Now when I start RG, it announces itself as 
21.12. So is the 21.06 version number below wrong or am I doing 
something wrong?


Thanks.

On 6/2/21 7:44 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 21.06
of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of
music notation along with basic support for digital audio.

 http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

Included in this release...

= Bug Fixes =

 * Event editor now selects the proper event at launch.  Bug #1588.
   [cf7d654d4]
 * Fix restore of channel mode (fixed or auto) on file read.
   [010246e0a]
 * File Merge dialog layout improvements.  Bug #1590.
   [13f40bbef]
 * Do not send Program Change for drum Instrument without banks.
   [f27b4f854]
 * Fix "Studio > Reset MIDI Network".  Now this sends channel setups
   (BS/PC/CCs) to each Device.  [04ad97659]
 * Fix overlapping bar numbers in rulers.  Bug #1580.
   [26e60ef8e]
 * Notation: Update cursor when switching layout mode.  Bug #1580.
   [7664b6997]
 * Notation: Fix inconsistencies when switching between layers and
   staves using the red thumbwheel.
 * Refresh the layout on resize.  Bug #1570.  [aa13ac83b]
 * Limit the Panner to within the scene rectangle.  Bug #1570.
   [9e8b0b13f]
 * Fix focus issue after Ctrl+N.  [7bc2c957a]
 * Notation: Fix "Segment > Add Layer" and "Segment > New Layer From
   Selection" so that the new Segment's events are selected.
 * Fix multiple issues with undo/redo when editing.
 * Fix inconsistent editor title bars.  [28344f0c6]
 * Fix multiple issues when resizing Segments.
 * Export key signatures to MIDI file.  Bug #1456.  [8805d3f81]
 * Fix crash in CC rulers using the velocity tool.  [443a3aacf]
 * Fix linked segments not exporting to Lilypond.  Bug #1595.
 * Improve Transport window position persistence.  [05f2e7345]
 * Improve handling of multiple time signatures.
 * Fix crash in notation when "View > Size" is changed.  Bug #1596.
   [460d1bc42]
 * Fix modifiers not appearing in Notation until the mouse moves.
   Bug #1597.  [e814dcfbd]
 * Fixed dots being added to tied notes.  Bug #1555.  [e9b8c293d]
   [cf1d3dfed]
 * Fixed a crash in the notation lyric editor.  Bug #1598. [5f52c7c2]
 * Fix incorrect position of chord names in lilypond.  Bug #1524.
   [04fc5dd6]
 * Fix missing chord names in lilypond.  [c35e0fb7]

= New Features =

 * Clean Recent Files List in the preferences removes files that
   aren't present on the filesystem from the recent files list.
   [b616d42c7]
 * Preferences: Add send BS/PC/CCs while looping.  [0d2d3a28c]
 * Added Segment label to Notation editor.  [9ab1ff136]
 * Matrix editor now preserves zoom factor and rulers for each
   Segment in the .rg file.  Feature #486.
 * Notation editor now preserves rulers for each Segment in the .rg
   file.  Feature #486.

= Significant Code Cleanups =

 * Cleanup and preparation for Qt6.

= Additional Contributors =

 * Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation

Ted.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 21.06

2021-05-06 Thread david

On 5/6/21 2:07 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

On 5/5/21 11:53 PM, david wrote:

But when I tried to print preview it, Lilypond gave me this error:
Processing terminated due to fatal errors.
Ideas?


 There is a test you can run if you do a debug build.  If you didn't 
do a debug build, you'll need to run cmake again.  I usually delete my 
build directory and start over with the build process.  Not sure if 
that's still needed.  At the cmake step be sure to use the option that 
turns on debug:


   cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug

 Once you have a debug build, do a "make test" from the build 
directory.  It should look like this once it is done:


$ make test
Running tests...
Test project 
/home/ted/tmp/devel/rosegarden/rosegarden-workspace/rosegarden-git/build

   Start 1: realtime
1/9 Test #1: realtime .   Passed    0.33 sec
   Start 2: accidentals
2/9 Test #2: accidentals ..   Passed    0.30 sec
   Start 3: segmenttransposecommand
3/9 Test #3: segmenttransposecommand ..   Passed    0.29 sec
   Start 4: test_notationview_selection
4/9 Test #4: test_notationview_selection ..   Passed    1.50 sec
   Start 5: transpose
5/9 Test #5: transpose    Passed    0.31 sec
   Start 6: reference_segment
6/9 Test #6: reference_segment    Passed    0.33 sec
   Start 7: utf8
7/9 Test #7: utf8 .   Passed    0.29 sec
   Start 8: testmisc
8/9 Test #8: testmisc .   Passed    2.12 sec
   Start 9: lilypond_export_test
9/9 Test #9: lilypond_export_test .   Passed   22.86 sec

100% tests passed, 0 tests failed out of 9

Total Test time (real) =  28.36 sec


 Let us know how that goes.

Ted.


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Make test ran, no failures, time reported 7.13 seconds.

Still getting the same error from Lilypond.

I started it from a terminal, here's what seems to refer to Lilypond:

QSettings for LilyPond (populateDefaultValues):
  lilyexportmarkermode: 0
  lilyraggedbottom: false

QSettings for LilyPond (slotApply):
  lilyexportmarkermode: 0
  lilyraggedbottom: false

[LilyPondExporter] clef: "treble" lastClefFound: "treble"
[LilyPondExporter] clef: "treble" lastClefFound: "treble"
[LilyPondExporter] INCREMENTING MULTI-MEASURE COUNTER (offset rest 
height will be ignored)
LilyPondProcessor::LilyPondProcessor():  mode: 1 m_filename: 
rosegarden_tmp_qyIgVC.ly

LilyPondProcessor::runConvertLy()
LilyPondProcessor::runLilyPond()
LilyPondProcessor::runFinalStage()
  finalStage: exportedBeams == false
 exportedBrackets == false
[RosegardenMainWindow] getLilyPondTmpName() - using tmp file: 
"/tmp/rosegarden_tmp_XX.ly"

QSettings for LilyPond (populateDefaultValues):
  lilyexportmarkermode: 0
  lilyraggedbottom: false

QSettings for LilyPond (slotApply):
  lilyexportmarkermode: 0
  lilyraggedbottom: false

[LilyPondExporter] clef: "treble" lastClefFound: "treble"
[LilyPondExporter] clef: "treble" lastClefFound: "treble"
[LilyPondExporter] INCREMENTING MULTI-MEASURE COUNTER (offset rest 
height will be ignored)
LilyPondProcessor::LilyPondProcessor():  mode: 1 m_filename: 
rosegarden_tmp_vYllbX.ly

LilyPondProcessor::runConvertLy()
LilyPondProcessor::runLilyPond()
LilyPondProcessor::runFinalStage()
  finalStage: exportedBeams == false
 exportedBrackets == false

Lilypond here is GNU LilyPond 2.18.2. Newest version listed in Debian 
Testing.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Alternative hardware

2021-04-20 Thread David W. Jones



On April 20, 2021 5:46:46 AM HST, Will Godfrey wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried compiling Rosegarden for the Raspberry Pi4?
> If so, what is the absolute minimum required to get it up and running?
> I would expect it to be extremely slow to compile :(

Hmm. Couldn't you cross-compile - compile for ARM/PI 4 on your Intel?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Import sf2

2021-02-20 Thread david
The mappings of a soundfont vary from font to font.  Just based on the 
name of the soundfont (Guitars-Universal), it may not match the GM or GS 
standard mappings.


On 2/20/21 3:38 PM, chuck elliot wrote:


I believe the soundfont sf2 complies with GM or GS mappings so

load the soundfont into fluidsynth, create a midi device in sg and

load the GM.rgd into that and point it at the fluidsynth port in rg.

The GM patch names should come up in the instrument panel.

'works for me.


On 20/02/2021 7:49 pm, steve conrad wrote:
Importing the sf2 in the 'manage midi devices' dialog has a mostly 
decorative function. Ie, it only effects the the labels that RG 
assigns to tracks.


If you are fairly new to this sort of stuff what i bet you want to do 
is to load the font into a synth to make some sounds.


This is done in qsynth itself and the process is fairly self explanatory.

Once the sf2 is loaded in the synth, there is no urgent need to 
import it into RG unless you find it overly confusing to have RG 
calling your presets by the wrong name.


On Sat, Feb 20, 2021, 11:33 AM Mike Knott <mailto:m...@mikeknott.co.uk>> wrote:


Hi,

I'm struggling to understand the instructions on importing a
soundfont into Rosegarden. The Rosegarden Handbook says this is
achievable (instead of importing an rgd file).

What I'm, exactly, trying to achieve is to replace the Programs
in the Instrument Parameter List to those in the
Guitars-Universal-V1.5.sf2.

I've tried using the Studio > Manage MIDI Devices Dialog to
Import but am only getting three voices as a result (there are
many, many in the soundfont).

I'm using QSynth and have tried loading this soundfont in there
but this changes nothing in Rosegarden.

OK, apologies in advance for the newbie nature of the post.

    Mike



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [OT]: quick and easy music making: a marketer's dream [WAS] Re: beginners question : getting sound

2021-02-09 Thread david

On 2/8/21 10:21 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:

On 09/02/21 00:00, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100
Tom Peters  wrote:

I sympathize with the devs who want to
just improve the product that is but its
extremely frustrating to have to hunt for
basics. Let's not forget that a user may
well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux.


I don't think I fully agree. In general there is a misconception that 
one should be able to 'make music' quick and easy. It's simply not the 
case. Be it with a computer or not.



[snipped a great personal tale of learning an instrument]

I don't think the original poster's request was to "make music" quickly 
and easily, it was to "make a sound" quickly and easily. IOW, fire up 
Rosegarden, maybe open one of the demo files, hit play, and hear sounds.


I told this personal story, and I'm sure many musicians here have 
similar storied, to say that music making (like any artistic craft), 
take effort and one should be distrust marketing slogans about 
(especially software) like 'start making your tunes in minutes!' etc.


So... As Ted's guide illustrates the process isn't that complicated. 
At the core you need:
- Rosegarden, jack, some alsa-midi capable fluidsynth player and a 
soundfont
[ think of this as bass, jack, amplifier in the example above, you can 
think of the soundfont as the amplifier type/brand... well kinda]

- start jack
- start fluidsynth player and load soundfont
- connect rosegarden general midi output to fluidsynth player (via 
alsa midi)

- connect fluidsynth player to system playback
- Start making yuor masterpiece

Actually, in this setting you could theoretically skip jack audio. 
And, really, I think jack audio is there only to either use synth 
plugins (mostly dead due to DSSI these days), or audio recording.


Hope DSSI isn't dead. I use it DSSI's regularly. Although I do have 
wishes re Rosegarden and how it interacts with softsynths such as Yoshimi...



Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to
throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should
kinda come before nuclear sails or mars
landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire
SOME minimal sound ability if only to show
that the right software is being tried?
Other apps can do it, at least at some
rudimentary level at first.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

2021-02-08 Thread david
Sorry, I consider AppImages/flatpacks bloatware. Never made either one 
work on my Debian systems and see no reason to bother. I think they'd 
just add yet another layer to have to sort out when it comes to making 
audio work.


So, no.

On 2/8/21 7:09 PM, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

Hi all,

This whole packaging and dependency thing is why I suggested that
RoseGarden also be made available as an AppImage.  Even for experienced
Linux music users and developers getting the most recent versions of
RoseGarden to "work" leads to dependency hell.  Try to compile it on a
somewhat older version of Linux (necessary because of legacy hardware and
other necessary software) and it truly becomes a total nightmare.  So
hard, that I'm just using older versions of RoseGarden.

Other major Linux audio and video creation software projects such as LMMS,
SonicVisualiser, SonicLineup, and Shotcut are already doing this.  Some of
these, such as the Sonic.. series have developers in common with
RoseGarden, so the skill set exists among core developers.

Do I have to offer a bounty on this?

Stay safe all.

Rich



On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000
david  wrote:


On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100
Tom Peters  wrote:


Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo:
thank you very much for your input.
Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now in

the

22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer application:
1) that the package management system like apt is configured that an
application will get all its dependencies so that it will actually

work;

2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so that

it

actually works out of the box.

agreed

I sympathize with the devs who want to
just improve the product that is but its
extremely frustrating to have to hunt for
basics. Let's not forget that a user may
well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux.
Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to
throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should
kinda come before nuclear sails or mars
landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire
SOME minimal sound ability if only to show
that the right software is being tried?
Other apps can do it, at least at some
rudimentary level at first.

So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon
installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it for
everything.

Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to include
in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how heavy or
light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI output.
Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity,
Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement for
someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system? Do
you make it optional so someone that installs just the application has
no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet
another application?

Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else might
consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my
systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either the
built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or HDMI.
The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on my
main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI monitors
include speakers, so no sound output.

Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s or
Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the list
have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel sound
cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me like
there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation.

I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require
Lilypond for printing scores.

I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows
audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not even
Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your
Windows audio system!


Ok, I guess I wrote something that asks for it,
should have written

"I wanna stress that I'm _NOT_ trying to throw pebbles" :)

If it were MY watch I'd make it make a sound,
however unsophisticated, until the user can
sort things out.





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

2021-02-08 Thread david

On 2/8/21 6:46 PM, Ted Felix wrote:

On 2/8/21 10:19 PM, david wrote:
Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else 
might consider a headache or bloatware?


  Heh.  Yeah.  VMPK just added a built-in synth.  That caused me a 
bunch of head scratching since it broke my setup.  Had to dig through 
the menus to get it working again.  You can't keep the beginners and 
the pros happy.


  We've got documentation and lots of folks here willing to help. I 
think we're doing it right.


Ted. 


Thanks, Ted.  I think the original poster's idea was to have something 
set up and working (maybe not ideal but at least making sounds) from the 
beginning, without having to consult documentation and sort out issues 
(with or without willing help).


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

2021-02-08 Thread David W. Jones


On February 8, 2021 6:35:09 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000
> david  wrote:
> 
> > On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100
> > > Tom Peters  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo:
> > >> thank you very much for your input.
> > >> Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now
> in the
> > >> 22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer
> application:
> > >> 1) that the package management system like apt is configured that
> an
> > >> application will get all its dependencies so that it will
> actually work;
> > >> 2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so
> that it
> > >> actually works out of the box.
> > > agreed
> > >
> > > I sympathize with the devs who want to
> > > just improve the product that is but its
> > > extremely frustrating to have to hunt for
> > > basics. Let's not forget that a user may
> > > well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux.
> > > Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to
> > > throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should
> > > kinda come before nuclear sails or mars
> > > landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire
> > > SOME minimal sound ability if only to show
> > > that the right software is being tried?
> > > Other apps can do it, at least at some
> > > rudimentary level at first.
> > 
> > So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon 
> > installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it
> for 
> > everything.
> > 
> > Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to
> include 
> > in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how
> heavy or 
> > light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI
> output. 
> > Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity, 
> > Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement
> for 
> > someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system?
> Do 
> > you make it optional so someone that installs just the application
> has 
> > no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet 
> > another application?
> > 
> > Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else
> might 
> > consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my 
> > systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either
> the 
> > built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or
> HDMI.  
> > The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on
> my 
> > main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI
> monitors 
> > include speakers, so no sound output.
> > 
> > Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s
> or 
> > Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the
> list 
> > have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel
> sound 
> > cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me
> like 
> > there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation.
> > 
> > I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require 
> > Lilypond for printing scores.
> > 
> > I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows 
> > audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not
> even 
> > Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your 
> > Windows audio system!
> 
> 
> Ok, I guess I wrote something that asks for it, 
> should have written 
> 
> "I wanna stress that I'm _NOT_ trying to throw pebbles" :)
>  
> If it were MY watch I'd make it make a sound, 
> however unsophisticated, until the user can 
> sort things out. 

I understand, I wasn't referring to any 'pebble throwing' about anything. Sorry 
if my response sounded like that. My intent was that "making a sound" isn't 
always very simple.

The flexibility makes things difficult for "default" assumptions.

Perhaps an initial setup "wizard" that lists available  audio outputs, inputs, 
MIDI ports, asks user for what to use by default, offers a button to test, lets 
user change/test until working?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

2021-02-08 Thread david

On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100
Tom Peters  wrote:


Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo:
thank you very much for your input.
Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now in the
22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer application:
1) that the package management system like apt is configured that an
application will get all its dependencies so that it will actually work;
2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so that it
actually works out of the box.

agreed

I sympathize with the devs who want to
just improve the product that is but its
extremely frustrating to have to hunt for
basics. Let's not forget that a user may
well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux.
Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to
throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should
kinda come before nuclear sails or mars
landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire
SOME minimal sound ability if only to show
that the right software is being tried?
Other apps can do it, at least at some
rudimentary level at first.


So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon 
installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it for 
everything.


Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to include 
in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how heavy or 
light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI output. 
Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity, 
Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement for 
someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system? Do 
you make it optional so someone that installs just the application has 
no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet 
another application?


Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else might 
consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my 
systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either the 
built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or HDMI.  
The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on my 
main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI monitors 
include speakers, so no sound output.


Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s or 
Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the list 
have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel sound 
cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me like 
there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation.


I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require 
Lilypond for printing scores.


I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows 
audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not even 
Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your 
Windows audio system!


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A small request

2021-01-22 Thread david

Fond memories!

OS/2 was also the only OS back then where I could run my fave fractal 
generator, DOS Fractint, in a graphical environment. The same hardware 
dual-booted some version of Windows (predating XP, probably) and running 
DOS Fractint was sufficient to hard lock the system. OS/2 would happily 
let Fractint run in a window, calculating its fractals while I did other 
stuff with the system.


I've never tried KDE5 so I don't know if it has that OS/2 Warp  
functionality. Anybody know?


On 1/22/21 5:22 PM, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

That would be a nice feature.  I too have fond memories of OS/2 Warp.
Matter of fact, I still have an IBM 765D Laptop running it in my studio.
These days it is only used as a MIDI filter to talk to legacy analog
hardware.



Hmm, useful if not set to remove references automatically.

More useful: Show me which ones have been moved, let me right-click it,
then give me the option to remove the orphaned reference or change the
location by navigating to the new target.

The ability to do this may be dependent on the user's desktop enviroment.
When I used OS/2 Warp ages ago, IBM'S Workplace Shell automatically
updated the target of any link/shortcut whenever you moved the target
file. I don't think any Linux desktop environment does that. Neither does
Windows. Don't know about the Mac UI.


On January 22, 2021 10:48:52 AM HST, Will Godfrey
 wrote:

When Rosegarden scans the 'recent' list, can it please check the
existence of a
file, and if it's not there remove it from its list?

I frequently start projects in a development directory, and when
complete move
them into a 'done' one, which leaves these orphan references behind.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] A small request

2021-01-22 Thread David W. Jones
Hmm, useful if not set to remove references automatically.

More useful: Show me which ones have been moved, let me right-click it, then 
give me the option to remove the orphaned reference or change the location by 
navigating to the new target.

The ability to do this may be dependent on the user's desktop enviroment. When 
I used OS/2 Warp ages ago, IBM'S Workplace Shell automatically updated the 
target of any link/shortcut whenever you moved the target file. I don't think 
any Linux desktop environment does that. Neither does Windows. Don't know about 
the Mac UI.


On January 22, 2021 10:48:52 AM HST, Will Godfrey  
wrote:
> When Rosegarden scans the 'recent' list, can it please check the
> existence of a
> file, and if it's not there remove it from its list?
> 
> I frequently start projects in a development directory, and when
> complete move
> them into a 'done' one, which leaves these orphan references behind.
> 
> -- 
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> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] work flow irritants

2021-01-02 Thread david

On 1/2/21 8:50 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

On 1/2/21 8:42 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

On 12/31/20 4:50 PM, steve conrad wrote:


than audio #1-8 as might be expected and as is the case in a new 
empty file.


   Yeah, that sounds wrong and should be easily improved.  Will get 
it on the todo.


Just as a data point, the same thing happens (and has always happened) 
when adding MIDI tracks. If you delete everything down to just one 
track, and add a track with the add track icon, it's a MIDI track by 
default, and if you add 10 of them in a row, they all default to 
instrument #1.


The behavior actually seems reasonable to me. I guess Rosegarden could 
analyze the entire composition every time you add a track, and try to 
assign it to some unique instrument combo, but how often would it do 
the right thing? Sometimes you just have to let users set things up 
how they want by hand.


What happens if... you start a new RG project with all the tracks, then 
import the MIDI track? You should have all the audio tracks properly 
numbered, yes?
My second irritant is that it is no longer possible to copy and 
paste between separate invocations of RG.


   Are you copying/pasting in the Segment Canvas (main window) or one 
of the editors (Matrix, Notation, etc...)?


To be clear, he's talking about separate invocations or instances of 
Rosegarden. One of the things that became possible after the huge 
rewrite and port to Qt4 was the ability to run Rosegarden more than 
once on the same computer. It's honestly more of a side effect of the 
new architecture (sequencer as a thread rather than a separate 
process) than something we specifically planned.


Start Rosegarden, then start Rosegarden again. You have Rosegarden <1> 
and Rosegarden <2>. Copy something in Rosegarden <1> and try to paste 
it in Rosegarden <2> and nothing happens.


I think I remember a time when this actually did work, but I'm not 
sure. I do remember experimenting with running two instances briefly, 
and I added up a list of issues. I think we basically just punted on 
all the issues, and decided not to support this formally. It's a thing 
you can do, but it isn't necessarily supposed to work reliably. Caveat 
usor.


I kind of thought copypaste track between projects had worked at one 
time. It's not a function I used much although it's absence seems 
counterintuitive. Most office apps have no problems with it.


You get into issues with ALSA and JACK, which Rosegarden is which, and 
other things I've forgotten. Keeping config files in sync, would be an 
issue. Change config in <1> and change it differently in <2>, which 
config should be written to disk?


The more I think about this kind of stuff, the more convinced I am 
that we all just kicked this can down the road, and didn't really do 
anything one way or the other. If the clipboard used to be shared, I 
don't know how, but it was probably working through some really nasty 
mechanism that shouldn't have worked, like pointers from one instance 
that should have been invalid in the other, but weren't, or something.


Anyway, I leave it up to you to figure out where you want Rosegarden 
to go in this area. I'm just trying to offer some historical 
perspective here.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?

2020-12-13 Thread David Tisdell
Thanks for the update on the Pi. I have read that the Pi 4 is a significant
improvement over the Pi3. Come across a few people running them headless as
a qsynth sound module
Will Godfrey’s implementation with Yoshimi looks interesting. I wish
Yoshimi’s piano sounds weren’t so awful. I like Yoshimi except for the
piano but I use piano a lot in my work and so it can’t be my only sound tool

Dave

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 2:28 PM steve conrad 
wrote:

> Btw, when I last tried RG on a Pi, there was a precompiled version in the
> Raspbian repo. Good thing. Pis aren't real good at compiling stuff is a
> hurry.
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:26 AM steve conrad 
> wrote:
>
>> I have used Rosegarden on a Pi3. It worked about as much as any desktop
>> app can be said to work on one of those things. Didn't make it crash more
>> than anything else. As near as I can make out, once a Pi runs out of RAM it
>> just reboots and that happens pretty often using Raspbian.
>>
>> PIs are basically pretty useless though. The price point is a bit of a
>> hoax. By the time you gear them up with a case, a screen and such they cost
>> as much as a low end laptop while offering a fraction of the performance
>> and stability.
>>
>> If you want something small and quiet for rosegarden etc, try looking
>> into a micro PC like a Gigabyte brix. They've got a real computer inside.
>>
>> I've had a Pi for a couple years now and while I have found it
>> technically capable of performing a variety of tasks, I have yet to find
>> any application for which it is the right tool. So I don't use it for
>> anything at all. A solution in search of a problem.
>>
>> And of course they're offensively black boxed as you would expect from
>> the bastard child of a bunch of Broadcom engineers. Those things are not
>> open source friendly in any way.
>>
>> Imho, Pis are a waste of time and money but Rosegarden doesn't present
>> any special problems as far as they are concerned.
>>
>> I've heard some people like them more than I do.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:28 PM David Tisdell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am leaning toward giving it a shot after the first of the year,
>>> especially after Will Godfrey's link to the "yoshimi pi"
>>> If I do, I'll post about success of lack thereof. I am thinking that I
>>> will most likely have to compile RG. There probably isn't a binary in the
>>> PI repository. Not that it's hard, just haven't done it in quite a while.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:16 AM Ted Felix  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/8/20 7:43 PM, David Tisdell wrote:
>>>> > Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest
>>>> > Raspberry PI?
>>>>
>>>>I have not.  However, it would be an interesting test case.
>>>>
>>>>On my laptop (an ancient 1st gen i3) I see about 1.7% CPU being used
>>>> by RG if I launch JACK after RG is up.  If I launch RG after JACK is
>>>> up,
>>>> I see about 15% CPU for RG plus about 4.3% CPU for JACK.  So, if you
>>>> don't use the audio subsystem (audio tracks) in RG, you can likely
>>>> reduce the CPU usage considerably.  That might make it a lot easier to
>>>> use RG on a Pi.
>>>>
>>>>Let us know how it goes if you decide to try this route.  We might
>>>> need to add a "disable audio" to the preferences to allow for easier
>>>> performance tuning.  We also might need to do some further performance
>>>> tuning in the code.  I'm always up for that.
>>>>
>>>> Ted.
>>>>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED

2020-12-09 Thread David W. Jones



Once I have a DEB or RPM package, I have a running executable without the 
needless bloat of duplicated libraries.

I haven't tried an appimage for over a year. The appimage version of the app 
crashed and burned. *The same version installed from a DEB worked fine.*

I think that adding another layer of complexity is not the way to stability. 

I'm also allergic to the idea that an ordinary user can just download an 
appimage, make it executable, and run it.

Could you make an appimage for RG releases? 

On December 9, 2020 6:29:53 PM HST, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
> Seems to me, that once one has a running executable, getting an
> AppImage is straightforward:
> 
> https://appimage.org/
> 
> >
> > For those that like AppImages, SNAPS, flatpacks and other such
> wasteful
> > (IMHO) things:  have fun with them.
> >
> > I've been unable to make them reliably work on my Debian system and
> don't
> > see any value I  trying to make them work. I would much rather have
> > developers put their time into developing RG and provide proven
> packages
> > like DEB (covers all Debian derivatives) and RPM. I think RG is only
> > distributed as source right now, right?
> >
> > I've been able to compile RG, including dev snapshots without
> > problems.
> > Sorting out dependencies was a one-time thing for me. I don't think
> > RG's dependencies change very often.
> >
> > Perhaps the "dependency hell" was more due to dated documentation on
> > the RG website about dependencies and compiling?
> >
> > On December 9, 2020 1:52:57 PM HST, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Thanks to the whole team for your continuing efforts to improve
> >> Rosegarden.
> >>
> >> One thing, however, I would like to see happen: the release of
> >> Rosegarden
> >> as an AppImage so users with work machines not connected to the
> >> Internet
> >> and perhaps not as up to date as developer machines, can run the
> >> latest
> >> Rosegarden.  The last few times I tried compiling from source I
> >> rapidly
> >> found myself in "dependency hell". Some other large Linux audio
> >> applications such as LMMS are already making an AppImage available
> >> with
> >> their most recent releases.
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >>
> >> Stay safe all,
> >>
> >> Rich Marschall



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED

2020-12-09 Thread David W. Jones



For those that like AppImages, SNAPS, flatpacks and other such wasteful (IMHO) 
things:  have fun with them.

I've been unable to make them reliably work on my Debian system and don't see 
any value I  trying to make them work. I would much rather have developers put 
their time into developing RG and provide proven packages like DEB (covers all 
Debian derivatives) and RPM. I think RG is only distributed as source right 
now, right? 

I've been able to compile RG, including dev snapshots without problems. Sorting 
out dependencies was a one-time thing for me. I don't think RG's dependencies 
change very often.

Perhaps the "dependency hell" was more due to dated documentation on the RG 
website about dependencies and compiling? 

On December 9, 2020 1:52:57 PM HST, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks to the whole team for your continuing efforts to improve
> Rosegarden.
> 
> One thing, however, I would like to see happen: the release of
> Rosegarden
> as an AppImage so users with work machines not connected to the
> Internet
> and perhaps not as up to date as developer machines, can run the
> latest
> Rosegarden.  The last few times I tried compiling from source I
> rapidly
> found myself in "dependency hell". Some other large Linux audio
> applications such as LMMS are already making an AppImage available
> with
> their most recent releases.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Stay safe all,
> 
> Rich Marschall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version
> 20.12
> > of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding
> of
> > music notation along with basic support for digital audio.
> >
> >http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
> >
> > Included in this release...
> >
> > = Bug Fixes =
> >
> >* Fix QPainterPath compilation error (r15845)
> >* Fixed several SysEx-related bugs in the Event editor (r15853)
> >  * SysEx load now remembers the last used path.
> >  * SysEx load now strips the F0/F7 bytes from the file when
> reading.
> >  * SysEx save now remembers the last used path.
> >  * SysEx save now fills in the FileDialog fields correctly.
> >  * SysEx save now adds the F0/F7 bytes to the data before
> saving.
> >* Event Editor: Fix garbage on SysEx load error (r15855)
> >* Event Parameter Dialog: Fix incorrect window title (r15857)
> >* Fix length of notes added in percussion matrix (r15870)
> >* Fix compilation error with Qt < 5.8 (r15872, r15896, others)
> >* Fix issues with ALSA port name matching at file load (r15875,
> >  r15879, r15893-r15895, r15906, r15909)
> >* Fix "&" in device name renders file unreadable.  Bug #1586.
> (r15886)
> >* Matrix editor: Fix control rulers not appearing.  Bug #1543.
> >  (r15887)
> >* Event editor: Fix crashes when editing (r15899, r15902, r15903)
> >* Reduce connection check interval to 1 second (r15912)
> >* Fix external controller port not working (r15915, r15916,
> r15919,
> >  r15927, r15929)
> >* Fix ALSA timer selection persistence (r15936)
> >* Fix disabled button text color (r15938)
> >* Fix plugins not found (r15947)
> >* Send proper CCs out the external controller port for motorized
> >  control surfaces.  Bug #1587. (r15952, r15954)
> >* Fix unwanted CCs going out with old files.  Feature #482. 
> (r15961)
> >* Fix slow load time with many segments.  Bug #1589.  (r16026)
> >
> > = New Features =
> >
> >* Enable/Disable external controller port in the preferences
> (r15932,
> >  r15946, others)
> >* Transport buttons (play, stop, etc...) on MIDI controllers are
> now
> >  supported so long as they use Pro Tools standard CCs (110-118).
> >  Feature #423.  (r15962-r15964)
> >* Korg nanoKONTROL2 support (r15994-r16013, r16015, r16016,
> r16021)
> >
> > = Significant Code Cleanups =
> >
> >* Icon Loader (r15862-r15865, r15868)
> >* New ExternalController class (r15922)
> >* Preferences dialog (r15939-r15944)
> >* ALSA MIDI interface (r15975-r15993)
> >
> > = Additional Contributors =
> >
> >* Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation
> >* Hugo van Galen - Help with bug #1586 and #1543.
> >* Piotr Golonka - Roland-Fantom-678.rgd
> >* Arthur Baran - Casio-PX-5S.rgd
> >
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?

2020-12-09 Thread David Tisdell
I am leaning toward giving it a shot after the first of the year,
especially after Will Godfrey's link to the "yoshimi pi"
If I do, I'll post about success of lack thereof. I am thinking that I will
most likely have to compile RG. There probably isn't a binary in the PI
repository. Not that it's hard, just haven't done it in quite a while.

Dave

Dave

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:16 AM Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 12/8/20 7:43 PM, David Tisdell wrote:
> > Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest
> > Raspberry PI?
>
>I have not.  However, it would be an interesting test case.
>
>On my laptop (an ancient 1st gen i3) I see about 1.7% CPU being used
> by RG if I launch JACK after RG is up.  If I launch RG after JACK is up,
> I see about 15% CPU for RG plus about 4.3% CPU for JACK.  So, if you
> don't use the audio subsystem (audio tracks) in RG, you can likely
> reduce the CPU usage considerably.  That might make it a lot easier to
> use RG on a Pi.
>
>Let us know how it goes if you decide to try this route.  We might
> need to add a "disable audio" to the preferences to allow for easier
> performance tuning.  We also might need to do some further performance
> tuning in the code.  I'm always up for that.
>
> Ted.
>
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?

2020-12-09 Thread David Tisdell
That is cool

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:23 AM Will Godfrey 
wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 19:43:55 -0500
> David Tisdell  wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest
> >Raspberry PI? I had read that earlier versions of the PI were not fast
> >enough for audio/multimedia creation but that the PI 4 would be a giant
> >leap forward in this area. Thinking about giving it a whirl but don't want
> >to spend the money if it will simply be an exercise in
> >frustration/futility. Thanks.
> >
> >Dave
>
> Not tried Rosegarden on it yet, but it does run a full-fat Yoshimi quite
> happily. To the extent I've been able to attract some non-Linux users with
> this:
>
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[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden raspberry pi?

2020-12-08 Thread David Tisdell
Hi All,

Has anyone tried Rosegarden and other linux audio apps on the newest
Raspberry PI? I had read that earlier versions of the PI were not fast
enough for audio/multimedia creation but that the PI 4 would be a giant
leap forward in this area. Thinking about giving it a whirl but don't want
to spend the money if it will simply be an exercise in
frustration/futility. Thanks.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How long have you been using Rosegarden?

2020-11-27 Thread david

On 11/24/20 6:12 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

On 11/24/20 9:13 AM, Patrick May wrote:


How long have you all been using Rosegarden?


It must have been the fourth quarter of 2001, so I'm coming up on 20 
years.



Since 2006, based on the date of my earliest RG project file.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Canon like midis?

2020-11-24 Thread David W. Jones
The I, IV, V chords? Those cover every note in the scale. 

On November 24, 2020 6:01:31 AM HST, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2020, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > songs of a particular nature: ones that use
> > all of but only the standard chords for the
> > key in question. I would then transpose a few
> 
> How do you define "the standard chords" for a key?  The obvious thing
> that
> occurs to me would be the seven triads that can be made with the scale
> degrees (three major, three minor, and one diminished); but the
> dominant
> seventh chord is not on that list and is probably more commonly-used
> than
> the diminished triad.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How long have you been using Rosegarden?

2020-11-24 Thread David Tisdell
I think it has been about the same for me. Maybe a little longer.

Dave

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:13 AM Patrick May 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> How long have you all been using Rosegarden?
>
> Myself, I've been using Rosegarden 15 years. Oh god yeahh. I've got 1594
> project files in my ~/rosegarden directory that I created in that time.
>
> I use Rosegarden only as a MIDI sequencer for controlling synths. I've
> never used the audio features.
>
> PM
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 20.12

2020-11-04 Thread david

On 11/4/20 6:23 AM, Ted Felix wrote:

On 11/3/20 11:34 PM, david wrote:
Some of those features look great. I have a development snapshot of 
20.06, came from SVN. How do I update that?


  Just do an svn update from your rg-svn directory:

$ svn update
Updating '.':
At revision 16022.

  Then build.

$ cd build
$ make

  Should be that easy.

  Sometimes if there have been a lot of changes, I will delete my 
entire build directory and go through the steps in the README again to 
recreate it and run cmake.


Ted.


There didn't seem to be a lot of updates. It compiled fine and seemed to 
the the basics without problems. And it still looks great on my 4K HDR 
display. :)


I wish other programs did that.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 20.12

2020-11-03 Thread david

On 11/2/20 4:03 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
20.12 will be released on December 9.  Right now, what you see in svn 
is the release candidate.  Please test the latest svn as much as you 
can. If you've not built from svn, give it a shot and let us know if 
you run into trouble.  We'll walk you through it.


  The steps I follow for building from svn are here:

https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/dev:eclipse

  Suggested areas to test:

  - Restoration of connections to external MIDI hardware and software 
on .rg file load.

    - We should be doing a better job with this now.

  - New marker menu items in the composition menu.
    - Composition > Add Marker at Playback Position
    - Composition > Jump to Previous Marker
    - Composition > Jump to Next Marker

  - Better support for not sending out CCs for controllers that are 
not visible on the UI.  E.g. if you make Volume not visible via the 
device manager, no volume CCs will be generated by RG. Only volume CCs 
in the Segments will be sent out.


  - External Controller port for control surfaces.
    - This was broken in 20.06.  Should work now.
    - Enable/Disable via preferences.
    - Type of control surface configurable via preferences.

  - Korg nanoKONTROL2 control surface is now supported automatically.
    - This should be auto detected and auto connected at rg startup.
    - All buttons, knobs, and sliders should work.
    - The LEDs are partially supported.  If you configure the 
nanoKONTROL2 for external LED control, the LEDs will work except when 
recording.  So the record LED will appear to not work.  If you would 
like to test this, let me know if you need the sysex files to 
configure the nanoKONTROL2 for external control of the LEDs.


  - Transport buttons on MIDI controllers.
    - If you have a MIDI controller with play, stop, record, FF, Rew, 
etc... buttons, chances are good those will work now.  At least if 
they are configured for Pro Tools.


  - Preferences cleanup.
    - Some regression testing of the preferences dialogs is needed.

  - Event editor
    - General editing.
    - SysEx.  SysEx handling and editing has been improved.

  - Toolbar Icon
    - Code cleanup.  Make sure they look the same.

  - Percussion Matrix editor.
    - Some changes here related to note duration.

  Most importantly, do what you usually do.  That will hit the areas 
that I missed.


Thanks.


Some of those features look great. I have a development snapshot of 
20.06, came from SVN. How do I update that?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Compiling Version 20

2020-08-19 Thread david

Maybe here?

http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/dev:contributing

Under Prepare the Build Environment.

On 8/19/20 6:59 AM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:

Also,
where can I find the list of dependencies?
They are not in the README.

"As of 10.02 all formerly optional dependencies are now mandatory 
dependencies.
We've taken this step because it is a real support hassle working 
through a set
of problems to finally uncover the reason something has broken is due 
to the
user's distro package being built without a particular feature turned 
on. "



---

Running cmake without options results in:



/home/redacted/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-20.06/src/gui/rulers/PropertyControlRuler.cpp: 
In member function ‘void 
Rosegarden::PropertyControlRuler::updateSelection(std::vector*)’:
/home/redacted/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-20.06/src/gui/rulers/PropertyControlRuler.cpp:262:28: 
error: no match for ‘operator=’ (operand types are 
‘QSharedPointer’ and ‘std::nullptr_t’)

 item = nullptr;
    ^~~
In file included from 
/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/QtCore/qsharedpointer.h:48:0,
 from 
/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/QtCore/QSharedPointer:1,
 from 
/home/redacted/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-20.06/src/gui/rulers/ControlItem.h:23,
 from 
/home/redacted/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-20.06/src/gui/rulers/ControlRuler.h:21,
 from 
/home/redacted/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-20.06/src/gui/rulers/PropertyControlRuler.h:23,
 from 
/home/redacted/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-20.06/src/gui/rulers/PropertyControlRuler.cpp:21:
/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/QtCore/qsharedpointer_impl.h:327:21: 
note: candidate: QSharedPointer& QSharedPointer::operator=(const 
QSharedPointer&) [with T = Rosegarden::PropertyControlItem]
 QSharedPointer =(const QSharedPointer ) 
Q_DECL_NOTHROW


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Eating chickenshit rests

2020-08-19 Thread david

On 8/19/20 1:02 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 19:19:00 -1000
david  wrote:


On 8/18/20 3:26 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

Whenever a midi instrument is used to lay down a midi track (next imported into 
RG) there are the inevitable inconsistancies like an 8th note repeated in the 
next bar becomes a 16th plus a 16th rest. Is there a way to clean this up by 
asking RG to feed rests of a certain duration or less to adjoining notes to be 
absorbed?  Or, if that's impossible then simply not show them although this 
would lead to quantization issues? (I'm trying top produce sensible sheet music)

I hit that all the time. I'm not as precise a player as the timing
resolution MIDI offers and don't keep tempo very well. ("You've got a
natural swing," my classical piano instructor told me, and it took a lot
of work to overcome it!)

Same about the 16th note + 16th rest. MIDI timing says we released the
16th note before it should have ended (for a 16th note at that tempo).
My main MIDI keyboard is pretty dusty, so I wouldn't be surprised if
that's sometimes  being caused by accumulated dust in the switches.

I get mine already digitized into a midi, then I work it over in RG. The guy 
who does the midi track is a pro but still, I think it's near  impossible to 
consistently hit poerfect 16th except with a slow tempo. This shouild maybe be 
a job for the midi instrument, to use only durations X-Y for notes/rests. I 
mean sheet music is usually rudimentary and doesn't have to be microsecond 
precise, that's left to execution and interpretation (i think).


Definitely not. When I do hymns, I usually only quanitze to 1/8th notes.

Also, RG experts correct where I'm wrong - but aren't rests calculated 
rather than being actual events?



RG people - isn't there a setting that tells RG NOT to tie notes across
bar lines?

I think there is, somewhere in the prefs labyrinth, ran into it the other day

Yes.

When quantizing, maybe switch the Quantizer Type to Grid? I don't know 
if it would help, but maybe the heuristic notation quantizer tries to be 
sophisticated  and guesses more?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Eating chickenshit rests

2020-08-18 Thread david

On 8/18/20 3:26 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

Whenever a midi instrument is used to lay down a midi track (next imported into 
RG) there are the inevitable inconsistancies like an 8th note repeated in the 
next bar becomes a 16th plus a 16th rest. Is there a way to clean this up by 
asking RG to feed rests of a certain duration or less to adjoining notes to be 
absorbed?  Or, if that's impossible then simply not show them although this 
would lead to quantization issues? (I'm trying top produce sensible sheet music)


I hit that all the time. I'm not as precise a player as the timing 
resolution MIDI offers and don't keep tempo very well. ("You've got a 
natural swing," my classical piano instructor told me, and it took a lot 
of work to overcome it!)


Same about the 16th note + 16th rest. MIDI timing says we released the 
16th note before it should have ended (for a 16th note at that tempo). 
My main MIDI keyboard is pretty dusty, so I wouldn't be surprised if 
that's sometimes  being caused by accumulated dust in the switches.


I usually inspect the recorded notes for extraneous things that simply 
don't belong. Like, say, a note that was supposed to be a 16th note on 
the second beat that actually started a bit before the second beat. That 
might get turned into a 1/32nd+1/16th note tie instead, so now the 
nominal 1/t6th note runs longer and maybe throws following notes off... 
Untie the tie, delete the 1/32nd note. Then I run quantization on it and 
fix whatever else needs fixing.


I work a lot with sheet music. For me, it's much faster to put in notes 
using Rosegarden, vs trying to record them. RG particularly seems to 
have difficulties with polyphonic scores and printing. I usually have to 
do workarounds to make things print properly. For example, suspended-4th 
chord where the only note changing is the 4th. If the rest of the chord 
is half notes and the 4th is a quarter note over them, the only way I 
get them to print properly is to turn the half notes into tied quarter 
notes. Otherwise, notes get thrown off when printed.


RG people - isn't there a setting that tells RG NOT to tie notes across 
bar lines?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] White space padding

2020-08-18 Thread david

On 8/18/20 3:38 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

The only way I have found so far to get equal paper bar lengths is to create an 
additional track full of dummy 16ths. I'm no guru so I would not benefit from 
doing the same thing with 32nds :-

If I then select this track as well as any other I want to see on the staff 
then all the bars will be almost equal in length which is a HUGE help is 
arranging a sheet 'for editing and learning'. Although that's not its purpose, 
the white spaces also help suggesting the note durations and any rests that 
might not be written. Is there a simpler way to accomplish this? In essence it 
would mean faking such a track of 16ths but not showing that track, only it's 
spacing effect on the others.


Hmm, "equal paper bar lengths" means what? Like exactly the same number 
of measures on each stave, with each measure exactly the same width?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Fixed Midi Configuration Setup

2020-08-11 Thread david
One possibility is that your OS isn't consistent about how devices are 
assigned to ports/connections (or named).


I know you can assign names to devices in either ALSA or udev. If you 
name your devices, then set your RG studio to use the names instead of 
device specifics like hw1, it shouldn't matter to RG where the device is 
actually connected, maybe?


Of course, I don't know if RG's MIDI connection/routing code looks at 
that or takes it into consideration. Or if RG can be set to connect to 
device names vs ports. I have a very simple setup - one keyboard on MIDI 
with audio output, 2-inx2out USB audio interface that's connected to a 
basic 10-channel mixer that combines the audio (from the external 
keyboard, other audio inputs like other computers here, guitar input, 
mic input) into inputs for the computer.


I think on my laptop, I also had to blacklist the built-in audio. 
Otherwise, it always came up as default since it was the first audio 
device found.


On 8/8/20 8:40 AM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
I tried everything  to keep the configured mid input and output 
devices but if I rebooted or close and open Rosegarden it is always 
different and (wrong) midi devices that are listed and not what I 
configured.
I set the studio options and saved and tried everything I could. 
Nothing helps.


So how do I force Rosegarden to stick to the midi devices I configured 
and saved. It seems to ignore my configurations.





On 2020-08-07 04:57, david wrote:

I have no idea. I think once you set up a studio and make it your
default, all *new* RG projects start with the default studio. I don't
know if there's a way to set *old* RG projects to use the new default
studio.

Maybe someone else on the list knows how to do that?

On 8/6/20 10:54 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
that doesnt help[ as I am opening files I used the previous day and 
saved with the correct settings.


Rosegarden either doesnt keep midi device  settings for every file 
or something is messed up or there is something I dont understand.


Does it load the same Studio file for all Project files or does it 
keep track of the midi device setup for each Project file ?



On 2020-08-06 19:43, David W. Jones wrote:

Hmm, I thought that was set under Studio settings? Set up your studio,
save it as your default studio?




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crucial: Help needed with Rosegarden Crashing:

2020-08-11 Thread david

Thanks, Rich. :)

On 8/11/20 12:46 AM, r...@hydrophones.com wrote:

Hi guys,

I totally agree with what Mr. Jones has said.  It works for me too.  Been
doing that since early days decades ago.

Stay safe all.

Best regards,

Rich





Hey, Michael! Long time no hear but yeah 80 hour weeks are killers...

Ideas for our original poster to possibly produce an alternative 'backup'
recording.

If recording audio, start a jack_record command line session with the
"-jt" option. When you start Rosegarden recording, jack_record will also
be recording the audio.

If recording MIDI, have an amidi command line session running with the
"-r" option followed by a filename? That will record a file containing
same midi events as Rosegarden.

If Rosegarden crashes, it won't affect what those have recorded unless it
takes down the whole computer.

On August 10, 2020 6:05:22 PM HST, "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote:

On 8/10/20 8:37 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:


Rosegarden crashes deleting my recording in the process.

This is painful. Those ideas wont come around again. Lost forever.

I very definitely feel your pain here. It happened to me more times
than
I want to remember. So much creativity right out the window. One of the
most frustrating things we used to have was this stupid composition of
preset length. You're playing along, in the pocket, really coming up
with great ideas, and then WHAM, it just stops recording! I got that to
go away a long time ago, but the memories of all those notes still
linger.

Anyway, for the most part, Rosegarden is vastly more stable than it
used
to be. Thanks in great measure to Ted Felix coming along, and making
diligent and methodical efforts to improve this sort of thing. He was
generally very successful, but I guess we've experienced some kind of
regression.

All you can really do is start using a debug build from an environment
that allows core dumps.

The usual thing is to start running from development source, from a
debug environment. It's not absolutely necessary to run from
development
source, but it will help you in the long run. If the crash is
repeatable
(we hope it is!) and somebody (Ted Felix most likely) fixes it, then
you will want to be in a position to test the result.

Here are the instructions from the wiki:

How to get devel source:
https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/development_from_svn

How to get a stack trace for a crash

First, make sure you are running a version of rosegarden that was built

with debugging turned on.

-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug

Without debugging, there will be no symbols in the binary, and the
backtrace will be useless. You'll likely need to build rosegarden on
your own to get a debug version. Instructions can be found here: Using
the Eclipse IDE to work on Rosegarden

Open a terminal window, and check to ensure that applications will be
able to produce core dumps. The exact command and syntax may vary from
shell to shell, but for bash it is ulimit -a:

$ ulimit -a
core file size  (blocks, -c) 0
data seg size   (kbytes, -d) unlimited
scheduling priority (-e) 20
...

The above example is quite typical for an end-user desktop system.
Having the “core file size” set to 0 prevents the creation of very
large
core dump files in unexpected places, and is generally a good thing.
However, this also prevents you from generating a stack trace. You need

to change the limit to something larger than 0, but many systems
prevent
you from setting this to unlimited, so we suggest

$ ulimit -c 100

Now start a debug version of rosegarden from the command line, and
reproduce the crash. You should now have a core file in your current
directory. The core file is either named core or core..

Run gdb:

$ gdb rosegarden 

Then once you get the gdb prompt, use the command 'bt' to get the stack

trace, and mail it to the authors or to the Rosegarden development
mailing list, or include it in a bug report.


Anyway, I hope this helps. I haven't been involved with development for

quite a number of years now, and I'm semi-retired. I still monitor
things, and still care. It's just my life went in a different
direction,
I guess. Especially in terms of working hours. When I was most
passionate about Rosegarden, and most active, I had the luxury of
making
a decent living working only 45 hours per week. Now it's closer to 80
with my commute.

Anyhoo brother, if I could turn back the hands of time and save your
ideas from getting obliterated, I would. I really hate it for you. So
much so that you inspired me to write the longest message I've posted
in
probably going on 10 years.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crucial: Help needed with Rosegarden Crashing:

2020-08-11 Thread david

Well, I didn't roll my own program like you did... ;)

Your pad control idea sounds good. Maybe looking at how other programs 
implement 'midi learn' would enable you to add something to your program 
that people could use to 'learn' the MIDI commands their particular pad 
uses?Does it also let you change between clips?


On 8/11/20 9:25 AM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:

That is in fact exactly what I ended up doing.
I wrote a program to record midi commands and is busy to integrate it 
to a pad controller so I have the pad controller directly at my keyboard.
The pads are the recorded clop[s and first pad is always open to be 
recorded. When flashing it records when not it is saved and everything 
is moved down the 64 pads and pad one is free again etc.
I finished it last night after I reverse engineered the pad controller 
midi commands.

With the lookup table the implementation was easy.

I then dont use Rosegarden for recording at all, and just use it for 
editing.

I had to do it as this is the third time I lost important recordings.

There is no better editor than Rosegarden for me. If it wasnt for the 
recording issue I would give it 100%


I will make a video of a crash so you see it is real.
I will also make a video of my solution.

I wont mind making my program available but it will only work for one 
pad controller, so it is not really generally useful as you would need 
that pad controller else it will be clunky mouse work and i dont want 
to support software.


Anyway you are spot on with your suggestion. It is exactly what I 
ended up doing.




On 2020-08-11 03:35, David W. Jones wrote:

Hey, Michael! Long time no hear but yeah 80 hour weeks are killers...

Ideas for our original poster to possibly produce an alternative
'backup' recording.

If recording audio, start a jack_record command line session with the
"-jt" option. When you start Rosegarden recording, jack_record will
also be recording the audio.

If recording MIDI, have an amidi command line session running with the
"-r" option followed by a filename? That will record a file containing
same midi events as Rosegarden.

If Rosegarden crashes, it won't affect what those have recorded unless
it takes down the whole computer.

On August 10, 2020 6:05:22 PM HST, "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote:

On 8/10/20 8:37 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crucial: Help needed with Rosegarden Crashing:

2020-08-11 Thread david
Hmm, never heard of MX Linux. And I used to run MEPIS ages ago. I 
presume whatever QT library MX Linux is using is the one that comes from 
their distro. How does their QT library compare to whatever the current 
QT version is?


Is your MX Linux 32-bit or 64-bit? Just wondering, don't know if it's 
important or not.


I use Debian 10. It looks like MX is based on Debian 9. So there might 
be QT bug fixes Debian 10 has that Debian 9 doesn't. Also, Debian 10 has 
RG 18.12 right now; that might have bug fixes missing from RG17.x.


I have a development snapshot (not a recent one, I'm sure) of RG 20.06. 
It looks and works much better on my 4K display here than 18.12 does. 
But I haven't tried recording any audio with it.


I have had crashes in the past with Rosegarden, but never while 
recording audio or MIDI. Those were also on my old i7/16GB RAM. Current 
machine is an i9/64GB RAM.


I mostly work in the score view and the main window. Might not trigger 
the crashes you encounter.


You mentioned crashes when you record about 30 minutes. Maybe what's 
happening is your system is set to record to tmp folder? On my system, 
by default, it pointed /tmp at RAM, not disk. That makes things fast, 
but at the time I only had 16GB of RAM and /tmp was only giving about 
2GB or so. That maybe Audacity-specific, not RG. When I changed /tmp to 
point to ~/tmp, suddenly the amount I could record jumped to 100+ hours.


Actually, I think RG records to a subfolder in your home folder? So 
maybe that doesn't apply.


Hope that helps or inspires more ideas!

On 8/11/20 9:40 AM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
All just remember I am not blaming Rosegarden. This is not a rant or 
badmouthing Rosegarden.

Rosegarden is free Magic software, unreplaceable for me.

Since this doesnt happen to those who responded, there must be 
something locally here that triggers the crash and I think I know what 
the culprit might be.


I really STRONGLY suspect QT to be the problem. If QT induces a crash 
and take Ropsegarden with it, then Rosegarden was stopped without a 
SIGINT and just crashed by QT.
Since there was not at least a SIGINT, all data in memory will be lost 
and since it seems Rosegarden do not write to file and ljkeep the 
recording in memory only writing upon save button, all will be lost.


I have had similar issues since QT was owned by Troltec decade or so 
ago. I actually stopped developing with QT long ago due to similar 
stability issues.

I am pretty sure the source of the problem is some QT library.

Rosegarden crashes when I press the Stop or pause buttons after a long 
recording so it could be a QT widget issue after a period of time.


Otherwise

My recordings are generally long.
About 1/2 hour sessions.
The crash only happens on long clips.
Short clips dont crash.

I will make a video of the crash and then see if it happens with a 
newer version.
The version I currently use is the latest for my Distro, but I will 
upgrade to the newest unless there are unresolvable dependency problems.


Rosegarden: 17.2




:~$ cat /etc/*lease*
NAME="MX"
VERSION="18 (Continuum)"
ID="mx"
VERSION_ID="18"
PRETTY_NAME="MX 18 (Continuum)"
ANSI_COLOR="0;34"
HOME_URL="https://mxlinux.org;
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://mxlinux.org;
PRETTY_NAME="MX 18.3 Continuum"
DISTRIB_ID=MX
DISTRIB_RELEASE=18.3
DISTRIB_CODENAME=Continuum
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="MX 18.3 Continuum"
PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)"
NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="9"
VERSION="9 (stretch)"
VERSION_CODENAME=stretch
ID=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.debian.org/;
SUPPORT_URL="https://www.debian.org/support;
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.debian.org/;



On 2020-08-11 04:42, MST wrote:

Hi there!

Of course this is sad and an unwanted behaviour of the software (if it
is the software). But I want to point out that version 17.12 is also
very old. Which system are you running Rosegarden 17.12 with?




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crucial: Help needed with Rosegarden Crashing:

2020-08-11 Thread David W. Jones


Hey, Michael! Long time no hear but yeah 80 hour weeks are killers...

Ideas for our original poster to possibly produce an alternative 'backup' 
recording.

If recording audio, start a jack_record command line session with the "-jt" 
option. When you start Rosegarden recording, jack_record will also be recording 
the audio.

If recording MIDI, have an amidi command line session running with the "-r" 
option followed by a filename? That will record a file containing same midi 
events as Rosegarden.

If Rosegarden crashes, it won't affect what those have recorded unless it takes 
down the whole computer.

On August 10, 2020 6:05:22 PM HST, "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote:
>On 8/10/20 8:37 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>
>> Rosegarden crashes deleting my recording in the process.
>> 
>> This is painful. Those ideas wont come around again. Lost forever.
>
>I very definitely feel your pain here. It happened to me more times
>than 
>I want to remember. So much creativity right out the window. One of the
>most frustrating things we used to have was this stupid composition of 
>preset length. You're playing along, in the pocket, really coming up 
>with great ideas, and then WHAM, it just stops recording! I got that to
>go away a long time ago, but the memories of all those notes still
>linger.
>
>Anyway, for the most part, Rosegarden is vastly more stable than it
>used 
>to be. Thanks in great measure to Ted Felix coming along, and making 
>diligent and methodical efforts to improve this sort of thing. He was 
>generally very successful, but I guess we've experienced some kind of 
>regression.
>
>All you can really do is start using a debug build from an environment 
>that allows core dumps.
>
>The usual thing is to start running from development source, from a 
>debug environment. It's not absolutely necessary to run from
>development 
>source, but it will help you in the long run. If the crash is
>repeatable 
>(we hope it is!) and somebody (Ted Felix most likely) fixes it, then
>you will want to be in a position to test the result.
>
>Here are the instructions from the wiki:
>
>How to get devel source:
>https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/development_from_svn
>
>How to get a stack trace for a crash
>
>First, make sure you are running a version of rosegarden that was built
>
>with debugging turned on.
>
>-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
>
>Without debugging, there will be no symbols in the binary, and the 
>backtrace will be useless. You'll likely need to build rosegarden on 
>your own to get a debug version. Instructions can be found here: Using 
>the Eclipse IDE to work on Rosegarden
>
>Open a terminal window, and check to ensure that applications will be 
>able to produce core dumps. The exact command and syntax may vary from 
>shell to shell, but for bash it is ulimit -a:
>
>$ ulimit -a
>core file size  (blocks, -c) 0
>data seg size   (kbytes, -d) unlimited
>scheduling priority (-e) 20
>...
>
>The above example is quite typical for an end-user desktop system. 
>Having the “core file size” set to 0 prevents the creation of very
>large 
>core dump files in unexpected places, and is generally a good thing. 
>However, this also prevents you from generating a stack trace. You need
>
>to change the limit to something larger than 0, but many systems
>prevent 
>you from setting this to unlimited, so we suggest
>
>$ ulimit -c 100
>
>Now start a debug version of rosegarden from the command line, and 
>reproduce the crash. You should now have a core file in your current 
>directory. The core file is either named core or core..
>
>Run gdb:
>
>$ gdb rosegarden 
>
>Then once you get the gdb prompt, use the command 'bt' to get the stack
>
>trace, and mail it to the authors or to the Rosegarden development 
>mailing list, or include it in a bug report.
>
>
>Anyway, I hope this helps. I haven't been involved with development for
>
>quite a number of years now, and I'm semi-retired. I still monitor 
>things, and still care. It's just my life went in a different
>direction, 
>I guess. Especially in terms of working hours. When I was most 
>passionate about Rosegarden, and most active, I had the luxury of
>making 
>a decent living working only 45 hours per week. Now it's closer to 80 
>with my commute.
>
>Anyhoo brother, if I could turn back the hands of time and save your 
>ideas from getting obliterated, I would. I really hate it for you. So 
>much so that you inspired me to write the longest message I've posted
>in 
>probably going on 10 years.
>
>-- 
>D. Michael McIntyre
>
>
>

Re: [Rosegarden-user] a duo of ethicall questions

2020-08-10 Thread David W. Jones



On August 9, 2020 11:21:37 PM HST, "D. Michael McIntyre" 
 wrote:
>As the owner of a copyright, I can say I really don't care if you steal
>my stuff, because the people who create things don't make money from 
>their creations anyway.
>
>Just don't steal anything from the Beatles. Fuck the Beatles!

Or Metallica. They do protect their stuff.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Fixed Midi Configuration Setup

2020-08-06 Thread David W. Jones
Hmm, I thought that was set under Studio settings? Set up your studio, save it 
as your default studio?

On August 6, 2020 11:37:52 AM HST, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>Every time I start Rosegarden after USB devices were shut down,
>Rosegarden comes up being connected to absurd devices and lost all its 
>midi device configs
>
>Is there not a way to PIN Rosegarden to a specific device ?
>This morning when I started up Rosegarden, it connected itself toan APC
>
>MINI Pad controller for inout and My Motif Keyboard for Output.
>It was however confiogured with an UNO Midisport before that.
>
>Is there not a way to make midi device configurations permanent ?
>This takes an awful amount of unnecessary time to reconfigure every
>day.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Solved] CPU load rises when Rosegarden is idle

2020-08-06 Thread David W. Jones


Hmm, maybe with your old "unfavorable" settings the new auto routing change 
process was still running?

re: CPU load > 100%.

The joys of multicore processors.

On my old i7 (4 core + hyperthreading), htop could show CPU usage hitting 400% 
or more.

The i9 (8 core + HT) I have now can hit 100% on each core/thread, with htop 
showing a total of 1600% during heavy panorama stitch jobs.

What processor do you have? Even the lowly Pentium 4 in my server box has 2 
cores.

On August 6, 2020 11:16:01 AM HST, MST  wrote:
>Hi Ted!
>My "unfavorable" settings in the recording parameter menu (all midi
>input devices, all channels, midi through auto routing) are causing a
>cpu load of 104% according to "top" - didn't know that is possible :-)
>Choosing only one midi input device, one fixed midi channel and midi
>auto routing to off solves this problem.
>Thank you and cheers, Michael
>=
>Try using the "top" command (at the command line) to make sure 
>Rosegarden is to blame.  It will show you the processes that are using 
>the most CPU.
>
>Ted.
>=
>Hi there!
>Does anybody experience this behaviour too:
>Since the latest commitments (code version 1589x - 15904) the cpu load
>rises strongly (in my case 45-60% and more) when Rosegarden is idle and
>in QJackCtl a lot of xruns are generated. After loading a song into
>Rosegarden and starting to play this song the CPU load falls again
>(maybe 5%) and no more xruns are generated.
> 
>I am using Debian 10 with a RT-kernel. Ardour and other Softwares
>behave properly, so I think it is Rosegarden. I didn't see this
>behaviour before the latest ALSA-Midi-Port commitments where added
>(code version 1588x).
> 
>Greetings Michael


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden

2020-08-04 Thread David W. Jones



My interpretation of Alexandre's post below is you create separate events for 
each value to send - two CC events to set the MSB and LSB values, then a 
Program Change.

That would send three succesive MIDI values, yes?

Knowing nothing about this level of MIDI, I'm just trying to make sense of 
things and hope it helps.

On August 4, 2020 4:04:47 PM HST, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>I will make it easier to understand
>I want to send data as follows see the image below.
>What is in red I want to have sent.
>There is no way to configure an event to do this, although the 3 word 
>instruction is standard for synths, but Rosegarden has all 3 the fields
>
>but there is no way in the editor I can enter all three values.
>The event editor only allows me to enter the first two values.
>
>That is the problem.
>How do I get around this ?
>
>"https://i.imgur.com/uDXF9Py.png;
>
>
>On 2020-08-04 05:24, Alexandre DENIS wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:35:10 -0400
>> liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I reversed engineered all the patch select midi and I can  change to
>>> any patch I want through Midi Ox. So, I know the exact midi
>commands.
>>> Dont worry about the values I have them all covere.
>>> 
>>> My problem is to enter an event at the start of the track so it
>plays
>>> that patch rfor the entire patch
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately there is no way in the event editor to enter all three
>>> values for the controller function. Only two is seemingly allowed.
>>> 
>>> The third is labeled but never used. the advanced configuration also
>>> dont allow the third value.
>>> 
>>> It doesnt seem Rosegarden can do it, ubless someone can show me how
>>> to edit an even to include all three the fields as show in the event
>>> editor namely
>>> 
>>> Type(Data1)  Type(Data1)  Value(Data2)
>>> 
>>> "https://i.imgur.com/5im3AQH.png;
>>> 
>>> Or ANY way to send three successive midi values
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> You have to send 3 separate MIDI messages, each with one data:
>> -- MIDI CC #0 for bank MSB
>> -- MIDI CC #32 for bank LSB
>> -- Program Change for Number.
>> 
>> -a.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden source make error

2020-06-19 Thread David W. Jones


Hmmm, the newest version is 20.06, not 19.12, yes?

https://rosegardenmusic.com/getting/source/

On June 18, 2020 11:21:37 PM HST, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:
>Trying to install the newest version of rosegarden from source.
>
>Make exists with the following errors.
>Any idea what is causing it.
>I cannot see any dependency problem.
>
>
>
>[100%] Building CXX object 
>src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/gui/application/main.cpp.o
>/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/gui/application/main.cpp:
>
>In function ‘void convert(const QStringList&)’:
>/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/gui/application/main.cpp:352:18:
>
>error: no matching function for call to 
>‘Rosegarden::RosegardenDocument::RosegardenDocument(std::nullptr_t, 
>std::nullptr_t, bool, bool, bool)’
>  false);  // m_useSequencer
>   ^
>In file included from 
>/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/gui/application/main.cpp:22:0:
>/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/document/RosegardenDocument.h:105:5:
>
>note: candidate: 
>Rosegarden::RosegardenDocument::RosegardenDocument(const 
>Rosegarden::RosegardenDocument&)
>  RosegardenDocument(const RosegardenDocument );
>  ^~
>/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/document/RosegardenDocument.h:105:5:
>
>note:   candidate expects 1 argument, 5 provided
>/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/document/RosegardenDocument.h:98:5:
>
>note: candidate: 
>Rosegarden::RosegardenDocument::RosegardenDocument(QObject*, 
>QSharedPointer, bool, bool, bool)
>  RosegardenDocument(QObject *parent,
>  ^~
>/home/testuser/Downloads/rosegarden/rosegarden-19.12/src/document/RosegardenDocument.h:98:5:
>
>note:   no known conversion for argument 2 from ‘std::nullptr_t’ to 
>‘QSharedPointer’
>src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/build.make:62: recipe for target 
>'src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/gui/application/main.cpp.o' failed
>make[2]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/gui/application/main.cpp.o]
>
>Error 1
>CMakeFiles/Makefile2:172: recipe for target 
>'src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/all' failed
>make[1]: *** [src/CMakeFiles/rosegarden.dir/all] Error 2
>Makefile:140: recipe for target 'all' failed
>make: *** [all] Error 2



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Staff show/not-show rests?

2020-06-15 Thread david

On 6/15/20 4:15 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

On 6/14/20 11:06 PM, david wrote:


with weird doubled dots and crazy rests instead of something tidy and
legible.

Ideas on this?


I read that and thought, "H. That sounds really useful!" Then I 
realized I was the one thinking about implementing the feature. 
Obviously, it never happened. Normalize rests had already been around 
at that point.
That's why I wondered if selecting a set of notes and quantitizing them, 
then selecting a bunch of rests and normalizing them, would do the trick.
I don't remember why I didn't get that done, but I probably hit some 
major roadblock.


Not knowing how rests are stored internally (are they, or are they 
calculated on the fly?) , I suppose that could be really complex.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Staff show/not-show rests?

2020-06-14 Thread david

On 10/22/14 1:22 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

Thinking about a function to "absorb" rests.  Find a rest, look back,
find a note, hack the note to consume the empty space.  Probably wants
some kind of adjustable setting that defaults to eating rests 1/16 or
shorter.

This would probably have wide applications, and be pretty useful.
Everybody has to clean up funky weird short rests in something
somewhere.  Plus it would probably fix all those times when Rosegarden
votes the wrong way on some recurring rhythmic figure, and you end up
with weird doubled dots and crazy rests instead of something tidy and
legible.

Ideas on this?


(Email packrat here) Email from 6 years ago. Whatever happened with 
this? Turned into normalize rests?


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Controlling play/stop/rewind from external DAW (Ardour)

2020-06-09 Thread David Tisdell
Hi Stefano,

In the rosegarden general preferences, make sure "USe JACK Transport" is
checked. In Ardour, there should be a button underneath the metronome
button that says "int." If you click on that it should switch to using the
jack transport. Any play control whether you use it in Rosegarden, Ardour,
or QJackctl, will start everything connected to JACK Transport.
Hope this helps.

Dave

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 12:18 PM stefano franchi 
wrote:

> I'm new to Rosegarden and I wonder how to control transport operations
> from an external DAW, in my case Ardour 6.
> The manual says it's possible, but I'm failing to find the correct
> connections, it seems. Can anyone help?
>
> What I tried:
> 1. Create an Ardour test session with a midi track
> 2. In Rosegarden's Midi Sync preferences, selected "accept Start, Stop,
> and Continue", and set to "slave" as MIDI MMC and MIDI TCM
> 2. in Jack2 (actually, Cadence's Catia GUI for jack2) connect the midi
> track input port to Rosegarden's "out 1 - General MIDI Device" port
> 3.in Jack2, connected Ardour's midi track out to Rosegarden's "External
> Controller" in port
> 4. Armed Ardour and started recording.
>
> I was expecting Rosegarden to start playing as soon as Ardour started
> recording. Did not happen.
> The Midi in connection in Ardour works---if I start Rosegarden manually, I
> can both hear and record its output in Ardour. But I can't control it from
> Ardour.
>
> What am I missing?
>
>
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