Ok, switching to a newer version of ubuntu solved the eclib problem.
Now i have another one. Building the sage package i get this error
message:
Building modified file sage/ext/interpreters/wrapper_el.pyx.
Executing 296 commands (using 4 threads)
Traceback (most recent call last):
File
I did not look very closely at a related issue in chroot'ed builds in x86,
but it should be possible to make python multiprocessing use some
other approach like pipes in these conditions. What I did to get sage
to build in the Mandriva build system was to backport the previous
logic for a
There is no /dev/shm in my android system. Could it be that this is
the problem? If so, is there any hope of solving it?
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Nevermind, it worked by mounting an empty tmpfs as shm device
On 24 abr, 18:07, mmarco mma...@unizar.es wrote:
There is no /dev/shm in my android system. Could it be that this is
the problem? If so, is there any hope of solving it?
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This sounds pretty much like the identify command in maple:
http://www.maplesoft.com/support/help/Maple/view.aspx?path=identify
For me it looks like a fun tool, but there is some people that use it
seriously in their research.
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I have a first version of an implementation of free groups, finitely
presented groups and braid groups. For the moment there is a partial
list of the fatures:
-operation in free groups, finitely presented groups and braid groups
through gap.
-some gap functions are wrapped, such as abelian
Thus, I very much appreciate to have braids and braid groups in Sage.
Any chance to get knots and links as well? If I remember correctly,
there are a couple of open source packages dealing with hyperbolic
knots.
Best regards,
Simon
That is one of the possible aditions for the future
I still wonder if people who are in the knot theory community could
work to port a lot of the Knot Atlas Mma code to Sage...
What i had in mind was something like what sage does with the graphs:
to have an editor and procedures to construct links and compute
invariants from them. That would
Will some day ARM be one of the platforms oficially supported?
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Compiling sage in my tablet was so slow that i even considered
emulating an arm system through qemu as an alternative (although it
would probably be even slower, a pc is better suited for long and
intensive cpu usage than an android device).
Regarding the OS for a buildbot, i would really
I have observed the following behaviour:
sage: var('a,b,c,d,r,s,t,x,y')
sage: assume(s,'real')
sage: a=-1+r-r*cos(s)
sage: b=-r*sin(s)
sage: x=a+b*I
sage: y=c+d*I
sage: expand(x^2-y^3)
-r^2*sin(s)^2 + 2*I*r^2*sin(s)*cos(s) + r^2*cos(s)^2 - c^3 - 3*I*c^2*d
+
3*c*d^2 + I*d^3 - 2*I*r^2*sin(s) -
Here is a simple example:
sage: var('a,b,y')
(a, b, y)
sage: assume(a,'real')
sage: real_part(a)
real_part(a)
sage: assume(b,'real')
sage: real_part(b)
real_part(b)
sage: real_part(a+b*I)
real_part(a) - imag_part(b)
It seems that the 'real' assumption is completely ignored.
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I don't know if it is already done, but it would be great to have the
possibility of showing a curve as the intersection of two implicit
surfaces.
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I wrote a message in an old thread about the need of good examples in
the documentation, but, i don't know why, it didn't show up. So i
reproduce it here:
Sorry for bringing a thread back to life several months later, but
reading some other threads about publicly available examples this one
On 15 nov, 12:30, pang pablo.ang...@uam.es wrote:
Hola!
Great idea: Would you sort them into categories, or mix high school
and advanced math?
Well, for the moment, it is just an idea. But if there is enough
consensus to make it happen, i would vote for having several
categories: high school,
I could be interested in attending, deppending on the location and
dates.
On 10 dic, 05:37, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Sage-devel,
If you would be interested in organizing, being involved in,
attending, getting your friends to attend, etc., a Sage for Newbies
Sage Days, please
Hi
One of the skills that is studied in high-school and college is to
compute the domain of a real function of real variable given by a
formula.
I haven't seen that implented in sage, so i plan to do so.
In ordxer to do that, i would need some way to represent real
intervals (maybe with
for students would be a possitive addition.
Thanks for the links.
On 8 ene, 15:33, ma...@mendelu.cz ma...@mendelu.cz wrote:
On 8 led, 12:12, mmarco mma...@unizar.es wrote:
Hi
One of the skills that is studied in high-school and college is to
compute the domain of a real function of real
¿Does it must be in France? Maybe i could organize it in Zaragoza
(Northern Spain).
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We are planning to use sage for a calculus course,and got some money
to buy a dedicated computer. There will be around 20 students using it
simultaneously, doing mostly simple computations on it.
We have offers for an intel core i5 (4 threads) and a core i7 (8
threads), both with 16 gigs of RAM).
I have been trying to prepare a class on algebraic geometry, and make
some exercises (involving resultants and discriminants of polynomials)
in sage.
I have noticed the following:
1) Discriminant is not defined for multivariate polynomial rings
(handled by libsingular), they could be easily
Dealing with polynomial ringsi found something that seems incorrect
sage: R=QQ['x','y']
sage: S=QQ['x']['y']
sage: R.has_coerce_map_from(S)
True
sage: S.has_coerce_map_from(R)
False
Even if both rings are naturally isomorphic. Moreover,
the .polynomial(y) method gives preciselly the natural map
I already new all that, but my question would be: why
S.has_coerce_map_from(R) returns False?
And the second question is is there a command (or an easy way to
implement it) to recover QQ[x,y,z] from QQ[x][y][z] or any other
similar situation?
I know how to deal with these cases by hand, but i am
I have recently opened track ticket 10799 solving some problems with
coumputing resultants in univariate polynomial rings. Now i plan to
implement the .discriminant() method for polynomials in multivariable
rings. But i have a doubt now. The method .resultant() returns a
polynomial in the same
I have been making some patch to the .resultant() procedure in /sage/
rings/polynomial/polynomial_element.pyx, and i have noticed something
strange when building the documentation.
If you ask for help both in the notebook or the command line, it shows
fine. But when you build the html help, what
I have sent a proof of concept to the ticket.
Still needs a lot of work, but i think it might be a valid starting
point.
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Did you get any further than that?
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On a related subject: would it be a good idea to create a class for
function germs?
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Talking with some coleague he told be that he thought that sage
documentation was very bad. The reason he presented was that it was
very difficult to find if some function or procedure was implemented.
So i have thought that it might be a good idea to have an index of
functions and procedures.
The reference manual should have an index. Go to this page [1] and
click on the link index in the upper right corner of your web
browser. Apart from that, no other document in the standard
documentation [2] have indices as exhaustive as the reference manual.
If you want index entries for
I faced that kind of decissions when i implemented the eigen-stuff
for endomorphisms (see ticket 8974).
My opinion was to stick to the base field, and only look for
extensions when directly requested. David Loefler argued that, for
consistency reasons, it would be preferable to continue with the
¿WOuld it be possible to modify slightly the virtualbox code to make
it run directly this virtual machine (without asking which one to run
and so on)? This would really be something very close to a one-click
install for windows.
On 22 jun, 12:24, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote:
I've
Over R? Over C?
From my limited experience in tutoring linear algebra to undergrads, I
only saw confusion when
eigenvalues were required to be in R.
I would never go for this in any class I teach myself; I would always
say that we allow any root of
det(A-xI) to occur, not only real one.
Given that we talk about
A = matrix([[0,-1,0,0],[1,0,0,0],[0,0,0,-1],[0,0,1,0]]) # no field
explicitly specified
do you suggest that Sage should restrict itself to eigenvalues in Z,
which is the base ring of A?
Do you suggest that Sage should check whether we create a proper
extension of
I am trying to write an implementation of the Braid group in sage, and
i am finding more dificulties than expected. The reason is that the
categories that would be involved have very few implemented objects.
For instance, the first very basic functionality i am implementing is
just the naive free
it to the trak, and start improving from there.
Any thoughts/volunteers?
On 24 jun, 02:11, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:02 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 23, 2:52 pm, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:40 PM, mmarco
After having some trouble with upgrading a couple of times, which
broke my sage installation, i got used to rebuild from scratch each
version.
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I have been considering writing some textbook for a course of
algebraic structures with sage (combining both a theoretical and a
computational approach) for a while.
I don't know if i will have enough time for that, but this could be a
good moment.
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A recent post reffers to ticket #14551, which proposes to use
different algorithms for the same purpose, given the fact that
sometimes one of them is much faster, while some other times it is
just the opposite.
This situation is not uncommon in sage. Think for instance in
symbollic integration
I see what you mean, and you might be right in this case. But anyways
i keep my proposal: do you think that having an algorithm=parallel
option for the cases where an optimal tuning heuristic is not
possible? I can think on several situations where, even with a good
tuning, you can find exceptions
sage-on-gentoo folks have Macaulay2-1.6 working with sage-5.9 fine. So
i wonder why compilation fails inside sage-5.9.
On 20 mayo, 11:06, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote:
M2 spkg in Sage is so old (ver 1.1, as opposed to just released
I am trying to compute voronoy diagrams and, looking at #13517 i see
that the entries should be given as rational or real doubles. The
reason for that is that Polyhedron only accepts those types as
entries... but then i wonder if there is a reason for that.
Why does this happen? Is there any
So, should we remove the M2 package?
I think it is definitely better to not have it, and let the user
install his own copy of M2, than to have a package that does not work.
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From what i see in the nauty web page, its license is not GPL
compatible, since it forbids sale for profit or application with
nontrivial military significance.
I guess that's the reason why it is not included as a standard
package, right?
On 23 mayo, 08:00, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com
I know that this is not exactly about the windows port situation, but
still, it is closely related to the sage-on-windows issue:
On the project ideas suggestions that were proposed by sage, there was
one dedicated to writing a GUI to handle the sage installation in
windows. No student decided to
Welcome on board, Veronica.
Please keep us up to date to your progress. I am your mentor, but i am
sure the rest of the sage community would like to have you involved.
Just a little clarification: Veronica has been selected under the
umbrella of lmonade, even thoigh her work will be focused on
I haven't tested it, ... Why is it suboptimal?
I used the word suboptimal to reffer to the virtualbox based
solution, not to the cygwin one.
If by native you mean without cygwin... i am afraid that that we
would be very far away from that. Not only from the sage side (at the
end of the day,
I have emailed Harald about it.
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I definitely like the idea of making our own series.
On 3 jun, 20:22, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote:
On 6 May 2013 02:00, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, May 2, 2013 1:27:30 PM UTC-7, William wrote:
Hi Sage-Developers,
There is a big series of small
Yes, real is usually better than imaginary.
And a real one would be even better. ;-)
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On a different (but related) subject: is it possible to interface
instances of Maple/Mathematica/etc on a different machine through ssh?
It would be a good thing to have, for example, for people using the
virtualbox appliance, but have these programs installed on their host
machine.
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mmarco wrote:
On a different (but related) subject: is it possible to interface
instances of Maple/Mathematica/etc on a different machine through ssh?
That /should/ transparently work if you just create a wrapper script (in
$SAGE_LOCAL/bin/, say) with the same
I have writen a small pyqt program to help me debug during sage
development (and work). It is meant to be used together with the kate
editor and its embedded konsole (although it can be probably be
adapted to other developping environments that support a dbus
interface).
What it does is to parse
Thanks, that seems to work.
On 12 jun, 04:02, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr
wrote:
On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 03:54:58AM -0700, mmarco wrote:
I tried to do that, and it gives some problems.
I don't know why, but it seems that if you launch maple through ssh,
you don't get
Maybe we should make a plan to move old code from ParentWithGens to Parent?
A sage days dedicated to this would be a good idea?
And while we are at it, try to make a better designs for the generators
issue.
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It looks very good. Just one remark: i think that the different functions
you define (Lie, xdef...) should be methods better than external functions.
In general, the use seems a bit confuding to me... i would say that it
looks much more mathematica-like than pythonic.
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Ok, i investigated a little bit, and found one source of problems. But it
revealed a deeper problem: plural interface does not allow fields with
parameters.
I opened ticket #14886.
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How did you manage to compile it? you did so in the pandora device itself?
it should have taken a lot of itime.
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Some things i would like to have:
Orlik-Solomon Algebras
Module of logarithmic derivations (and specially, a way to check if it is
free). Or at least, its Betti numbers.
Maybe arrangements in projective spaces?
For the case of line arrangements, wiring diagrams, and fundamental group.
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I just received a notification from te GSoC staff. Veronica received a negative
evaluation (against my opinion), and she asked for an independent review. As
result of this review, her negative evaluation was reversed, on the condition
that a new mentor is assigned to her. So we need a
The current mentors are Irene Marquez, Edgar Martinez, and myself. I was in
charge of the sage development part, and they were in charge of the theoretical
part (since they are the experts in codiing theory, and the developpers of some
of the algorithms to be implemented).
The condition
Finally Punarbasu Purkayatsha has volunteered and Burcin Erocal considered
that he is the appropriate person to take care of the mentorship from now
on.
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About the importance of being free software (or more precisely: te
perception of it being important for the users), i thought about the
possibility to make easier for the user to modify its own version of sage.
Not that it is hard (for people with some knowledge on software
development) as it
So, let me rephrase the question: do you think it could be reasonably
simple to implement?
It can cause some issues (think for example in multi-user servers), but
anyways i think we could give it a try as an optional feature.
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Well, i don't know if there is any graphic designer that uses Sage, but i
do use blender.
I agree with you, Blender is definitely overkill for sage graphics. Some
.stl or .ply exporter for sage would be nice though (an much easyer to
implement).
El sábado, 14 de septiembre de 2013 15:28:08
We are working on a c library to do homotoy continuation of polynomial
roots using interval arithmetic. Our idea is to make a spkg with it, and
write some functions in the sage library that would use it (in particular,
to compute the fundamental group of the complement of an algebraic curve).
)
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:08:24 AM UTC+1, mmarco wrote:
We are working on a c library to do homotoy continuation of polynomial
roots using interval arithmetic. Our idea is to make a spkg with it, and
write some functions in the sage library that would use it (in particular,
to compute
hooks kept by numpy).
Not sure I can reproduce details here.
On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:02:55 PM UTC+1, mmarco wrote:
I see, thanks.
So, if i understand it correctly, i import my_c_function and then, to
call
it, i create the memory space for the array, copy
97
97
I have found the following behaviour:
a=QQbar.zeta(3)
F=QQ[a]
h=F.embeddings(QQbar)[0]
F._unset_embedding()
F.register_embedding(h)
F.coerce_embedding()
QQbar._unset_coercions_used()
QQbar.register_coercion(h)
QQbar.convert_map_from(F)
Conversion map:
From: Number Field in a
I get it, thanks.
El miércoles, 2 de octubre de 2013 18:12:42 UTC+2, Nils Bruin escribió:
Your example looks suspicious because you're calling _unset_embeddings and
then install an embedding. That's explicitly warned against in the
documentation.
What you're finding is that
I have writen some basic implementation of ideals for Laurent polynomial
rings (ticket #15437 ). It seems to work fine, but i don't know why,
pickling fails:
sage: L=LaurentPolynomialRing(QQ,3,'t')
sage: loads(dumps(L))
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That didn't solve the problem.
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be computed (because it depends on _repr_)
On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:52:00 AM UTC-5, mmarco wrote:
That didn't solve the problem.
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What happened with the plan of buying some arm machine to work as a
buildbot?
My experience trying to compile sage on arm machines has been painful. It
took two weeks to compile it in my android tablet (under an ubuntu chroot),
and it overheated so much that the device got damaged.
Anyways,
So we would use python to run the buildiing scripts for the sage
components... including python itself?
Maybe it is better in the long term, but it sounds weird.
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I am not sure about my abilities to solve bugs, but i would sure like to
try. My problem is that i need a long paperwork to go to USA, so i cannot
attend on short notice.
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I would like to attend to Seattle in June. As for the differential
geometry, it is not my field of expertise, but i am definitely in. Besides
the manifold package, i would like to implement a class for commutative
graded differential algebras (although it is not really differential
geometry, i
I would like to mentor some projects this year again. The virtual machine
GUI sounds like a good fit.
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I am tempted to make a poll bewteen the math instructors/researchers asking
them what would they like to be improved in sage, and use that information
for a project proposal.
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All recent (i.e. in the last, 2? years) arm processors have hard float
support, right? In that case i say it is not a bad idea to not support soft
float, since it only affects old hardware.
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Good to hear. Do we already know how many students will be assigned?
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I would be happy to mentor a student in a knot theory related project in
sage. I had mainly two ideas:
First idea is to write a class for knots/links. This class should be able
to translate between the different possible representations of links (Gauss
codes, 3d curves, braid closure...) and
and the Mathematica
package creating it is the state of the art. Does SnapPy now really have
all that combinatorial stuff? I think that at the very least a good
wrapper allowing for use of *any* robust backend for knots would be a great
contribution to Sage. mmarco seems to have a good sense
escribió:
On 2014-02-25, mmarco mma...@unizar.es javascript: wrote:
I would be happy to mentor a student in a knot theory related project in
sage. I had mainly two ideas:
First idea is to write a class for knots/links. This class should be
able
to translate between the different
Of course, i forgot to mention the already mentioned knotscape, snappy and
knotplot.
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In my case, i needed to also change the knostcape script to point to the
actual directory, instead of a directory of /tmp
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File
/home/mmarco/sagedevel/sage/local/var/tmp/sage/build/atlas-3.10.1.p7/configuration.py,
line 182, in module
fortran_version = try_run('$FC --version')
File
/home/mmarco/sagedevel/sage/local/var/tmp/sage/build/atlas-3.10.1.p7/configuration.py,
line 68, in try_run
Is it possible now to build sage on cygwin and obtain something that can be
distributed? In that case, maybe we should include that in the download
section.
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That is what singular does, right?
El martes, 11 de marzo de 2014 11:23:57 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik escribió:
On 2014-03-11, Jean-Pierre Flori jpf...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:20:08 AM UTC+1, mmarco wrote:
Is it possible now to build sage on cygwin
Since the ring you want will be an algebra over the reals, the best fit for
base ring would be the reals.
Now, since it is impossible to represent the real field in practice, there
are different possible solutions in sage:
RR if you don't care about the lack of exactness
QQ or some extension
2014-03-12 21:29 UTC+01:00, mmarco mma...@unizar.es javascript::
Since the ring you want will be an algebra over the reals, the best fit
for
base ring would be the reals.
Now, since it is impossible to represent the real field in practice,
there
are different possible solutions
I would advocate that RLF is a very good approximation of what should
be RR. Perhaps one good direction to take is to try to make RLF
smarter and contains all constants from pi to cos(42^e).
Somehow, it already does (i.e. internally it keeps track of their
symbollic nature):
{{{
This is half good, I am happy that RLF wraps symbolic constants. But,
first of all there can not be any reasonable coercion from SR to RLF
as SR is much bigger. Secondly, SR is not consistent with evaluation
sage: cos(1.).parent()
Real Field with 53 bits of precision
sage:
Any number cos(rational x pi) is algebraic and equality of algebraic
numbers is decidable. Moreover, it is not because something is
undecidable that Sage should return a wrong answer. In that case, it
would be good to have a third party in comparison (either returning
Unknown or
I am working, together with a colleague, on a library to compute provable
homotopy continuation, using interval arithmetic. We need to write
something new because (AFAIK):
a) the available software does not provide provable results i.e. in some
critical cases they are not granted to give
:
On Monday, March 17, 2014 6:05:58 AM UTC-4, mmarco wrote:
I am working, together with a colleague, on a library to compute provable
homotopy continuation, using interval arithmetic. We need to write
something new because (AFAIK):
a) the available software does not provide provable results i.e
So, what is the plan for the future? Switch from the current notebook to
something like the cloud interface? Will William release that part under
the GPL?
El miércoles, 16 de abril de 2014 10:24:29 UTC+2, P Purkayastha escribió:
Some of these concerns are already addressed in cloud.sagemath.
)
bash: symbol lookup error:
/home/mmarco/sagedevel/sage/local/lib/libncurses.so.5: undefined symbol:
_nc_putchar
real0m0.001s
user0m0.000s
sys 0m0.001s
Error installing package
That seemed to work, thanks.
El miércoles, 23 de abril de 2014 18:24:57 UTC+2, Volker Braun escribió:
Its not a problem with ncurses but with your bash crapping out if
LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set.Delete the Sage ncurses libraries and continue
building.
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Can it handle non-python packages? Or the idea is to use it only for python
packages that need no compilation at all?
El jueves, 24 de abril de 2014 00:46:50 UTC+2, William escribió:
Hi,
There used to be a lot of confusion about which package manager /
installer one should use with python
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