On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/11/26 Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In contrast, 2-3 months before the last assembly election (ie state
legislature), some bloke came by my flat and asked how many adults
lived there. My wife told him and we
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008 11:13:36 am Charles Haynes wrote:
So you don't want untouchables converting to Buddism because you want
them to fight and kill Islam?
I did not say that. I do not find people untouchable, I have not said that I
want to stop untouchable people from converting to
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
really? i think this is a problem of popular democracy combined with an
increasing:
-unwillingness to accept ones (low) place in the social order, something
that was never common in places like, say, brazil
2008/11/26 Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The voters who matter are being systematically disenfranchised. How
many in Silk have voted ever? In the recent past?
Registering to vote, and then exercising it is such a huge effort that
most people who are gainfully employed, educated and
26, 2008 10:58 AM
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
2008/11/26 Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The voters who matter are being systematically disenfranchised. How
many in Silk have voted ever? In the recent past
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's a post office ID card for various people in the same situation you
are in, that's acceptable as valid proof of address and photo id.
My dad tried to get one. They were out of forms, and tried very hard
to
2008/11/26 Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's a post office ID card for various people in the same situation you
are in, that's acceptable as valid proof of address and photo id.
My dad tried to get
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I looked at the IndiaPost site, and there no information about this.
There is some, but it is not actionable. The out of stock application
form isn't available for download.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:41 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A good friend of mine, who happens to be Udhay's cousin made a statement
that
I had not heard before when I met him a few days ago.
He lamented that Development and status in the world is measured in terms
of
consumption
The
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/11/26 Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The voters who matter are being systematically disenfranchised. How
many in Silk have voted ever? In the recent past?
Registering to vote, and then exercising it
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
India is anti-mobility. If you've only ever lived at the same address
for ages can you get all the government paperwork together for your
vote, and even then it's a tough bureaucratic wrestle. In an age when
news and
ashok _ wrote:
There is no national identity card system.. which probably makes
having a dynamic voter registry impossible.
They have been working on getting one for a while now. Turns out that
one of the stumbling blocks is the need to have the name in native
language and the searching for
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ashok _ wrote:
There is no national identity card system.. which probably makes
having a dynamic voter registry impossible.
They have been working on getting one for a while now. Turns out that
one of the stumbling blocks is the
2008/11/26 Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In contrast, 2-3 months before the last assembly election (ie state
legislature), some bloke came by my flat and asked how many adults
lived there. My wife told him and we were duly enfranchised. I carried
my passport when I went to vote and did so
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:41 AM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 3:07:43 am Charles Haynes wrote:
Certainly that's the impression I got. Please correct me if I'm wrong,
but haven't Brahmins in the past been notorious for behaving exactly
opposite to their professed ideals
When you make general statements describing qualities of a particular
group.. and say that simply being from that group ' inclucates morality /
honesty/ integrity...etc...'...what do you expect ? heck lets put a holy
thread on everyone and make the world honest...
I expect that someone
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Sumant Srivathsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
Sure, everybody's lazy or stupid at some point, but one expects better.
Maybe I asked for too much, or you're using a broken crutch to help you
stand.
Can we please lay off the ad-hominem and name calling?
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 11:46:22 am Sumant Srivathsan wrote:
Of course all Brahmins are
not greedy and manipulative,
Exactly. Thank you for showing a glimmer of understanding. Brahmins should not
all be lumped together as bigots. That is all I am trying to say. That is my
sole objection.
The
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 12:22:33 pm Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
What we are getting is an arrogant, grabbing Hindu. No less intelligent
maybe - and India's predicted great power status will be achieved by
these people. Brahminism's virtues were never designed for leading a
nation into those
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 12:38:22 pm Sumant Srivathsan wrote:
I don't see how describing one group's qualities
immediately implies a monopoly on these qualities,
I presume that you believe and fully subscribe to what you have stated above.
To rehash a point I made in another reply, I think
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 1:31:17 pm Charles Haynes wrote:
Questioning virtue is not the same as accusing them of vice. More formally,
But accusing people of vice when one speaks of virtues is a subtle reminder
that one is not interested in talking about virtures but would rather harp
about the
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 12:22:33 pm Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
Or perhaps materialism is like the fire
water that destroyed the (other) Indians.
A good friend of mine, who happens to be Udhay's cousin made a statement that
I had not heard before when I met him a few days ago.
He lamented that
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:11 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The virtues of not being overly materialistic, and overly greedy are both
actively taught in Brahminical Hinduism and actively practised by many
including some in my own family and among my ancestors. It is not at all
clear to me
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 8:00:51 pm ashok _ wrote:
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:11 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The virtues of not being overly materialistic, and overly greedy are both
actively taught in Brahminical Hinduism and actively practised by many
including some in my own family and
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 21:02 +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
The specific symptom I'd like to call out here is the growing
anti-intelligentsia feeling I encounter all over India. There was a time not
too long ago when Indian politics, civil service and many other public
fields included
On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 21:30 +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
Perhaps not, but at least there isn't a persecution of the intellectual as
currently happens in India.
huh? didn't we just witness an election in the country where all the
brains drain (this terminology puzzled me; is america where
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:11 AM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The virtues of not being overly materialistic, and overly greedy are both
actively taught in Brahminical Hinduism ... It is not at all
clear to me that such things are actively taught as part of family culture
among non Brahmins in
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008 3:21:24 am Charles Haynes wrote:
The virtues of not being overly materialistic, and overly greedy are both
actively taught in Brahminical Hinduism ... It is not at all
clear to me that such things are actively taught as part of family
culture among non Brahmins in
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008 9:10:07 am Charles Haynes wrote:
The difference between Brahminism and Buddhism (AFAICT) is the focus on
ritual in Brahminism, and the relegation of renouncement to a later stage
in life because duty demands certain obligations in earlier phases of
life.
How do you
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Charles Haynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you feel about the conversion of untouchables to Buddhism then?
Ah Charles, had I known you were interested, I'd have introduced you
to some traditional** Buddhist monks, who try to avoid those who use
Budhism for
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:42 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008 9:10:07 am Charles Haynes wrote:
How do you feel about the conversion of untouchables to Buddhism then?
Shouldn't that serve to help India preserve a sense of duty, integrity
and immunity to temptation of
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:42 AM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 25 Nov 2008 9:10:07 am Charles Haynes wrote:
From a Hindu viewpoint, conversion to Buddhism is safe because Buddhism does
not seek to tell its followers that other resligions are wrong and other Gods
are false. The real
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
I agree with that grossly non-pc line of reasoning, your theory fits the
symptoms I have been observing.
The specific symptom I'd like to call out here is the growing
anti-intelligentsia feeling I encounter all over
On Sunday 23 Nov 2008 9:02:21 pm Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
I think this is the telling effect of the brain drain on India.
er.. this assumes that brains exist abroad where Indians go. That is one of
the enduring methods of self congratulation employed by Indians.
Where I go, there brains are..
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:28 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 23 Nov 2008 9:02:21 pm Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
I think this is the telling effect of the brain drain on India.
er.. this assumes that brains exist abroad where Indians go. That is one of
the enduring methods of self
On Sunday 23 Nov 2008 9:30:44 pm Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
Perhaps not, but at least there isn't a persecution of the intellectual as
currently happens in India. I of course simply state the symptom, the cause
could be as you point out reservation.
If you ask my view (I never attempt to be
On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 08:23 +0530, Sajith T S wrote:
Dr Salim Ali Bird Sanctuary at Thattekkad, for birds. (And there was
this place where they did some tree felling so that tourists can see
birds properly -- can't remember were, but K K Neelakandan mentioned
that in Birds of Kerala..)
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:23 AM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
immunity to temptation of material
(financial) recompense that Brahminism inculcates.
Is supposed to inculcate right? My impression of events leading up
to partition was that it was at least in part due to rampant
corruption and
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 3:07:43 am Charles Haynes wrote:
Certainly that's the impression I got. Please correct me if I'm wrong,
but haven't Brahmins in the past been notorious for behaving exactly
opposite to their professed ideals
Are you asking me if all Brahimns behaved in this way? All of
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thanks for the great suggestions! i'll get to trivandrum to leave my
bags in a hotel and do a 2-3 day trip and a 1-2 day trip with the
conference in between, i guess... someone also suggested periyar tiger
reserve (partly because it's closer to
On Monday 24 Nov 2008 3:07:43 am Charles Haynes wrote:
Certainly that's the impression I got. Please correct me if I'm wrong,
but haven't Brahmins in the past been notorious for behaving exactly
opposite to their professed ideals
Are you asking me if all Brahimns behaved in this way? All
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:53 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 23 Nov 2008 9:30:44 pm Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
Perhaps not, but at least there isn't a persecution of the intellectual as
currently happens in India. I of course simply state the symptom, the cause
could be as you
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:23 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
especially Brahmins is the deep sense of
duty, integrity (incorruptibility) and immunity to temptation of material
(financial) recompense that Brahminism inculcates.
I presume you are joking ? Are brahmnins the only ones who have a
Is it just me, or are people just getting off on putting words in other
people's mouths? I don't see how describing one group's qualities
immediately implies a monopoly on these qualities, or that a general
question challenging these qualities counts as a blanket indictment of all
individuals
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Sumant Srivathsan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is it just me, or are people just getting off on putting words in other
people's mouths? I don't see how describing one group's qualities
immediately implies a monopoly on these qualities,
When you make general
ashok _ wrote:
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:23 PM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
especially Brahmins is the deep sense of
duty, integrity (incorruptibility) and immunity to temptation of material
(financial) recompense that Brahminism inculcates.
I presume you are joking ? Are brahmnins
I don't know if anyone noticed the irony in these two seemingly unconnected
statements possibly made in jest:
On Thursday 20 Nov 2008 12:34:23 pm Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Why do they need to sneak into india for this? We already have our own
crop of homegrown hindu terrorists to worry
I agree with that grossly non-pc line of reasoning, your theory fits
the symptoms I have been observing.
Cheeni *in a hurry, need to expend more thought on this*
On 23-Nov-08, at 7:31 AM, ss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know if anyone noticed the irony in these two seemingly
On Sunday 23 Nov 2008 9:24:55 am Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
Cheeni *in a hurry, need to expend more thought on this*
In a country where there are several hundred million forward caste people
including all TamBrams and a huge proprtion of SilkList - declaring the whole
group as bigoted and
--- On Thu, 20/11/08, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 12:34 PM
Why do they need to sneak
Bonobashi
--- On Thu, 20/11/08, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why do they need to sneak into india for this? We already
have our own crop of homegrown hindu terrorists to worry
about as well .. no shortage of them.
--- On Thu, 20/11/08, ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: ashok _ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 12:47 PM
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Bonobashi
[EMAIL PROTECTED
--- On Thu, 20/11/08, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 2:07 PM
Bonobashi
--- On Thu, 20/11/08
We can ship out - my choice of words is, as always, subtle and apposite
- erm, large numbers of experts, as well as expert-managers, at fairly
short notice.
Yes, on mission to Nigeria to build their capacity in the spamming and scamming
department :)
suresh
--- On Thu, 20/11/08, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 2:34 PM
We can ship out - my choice
in the glorious tradition of silk-list-as-a-travel-agency [1], i am
looking for suggestions for what to do when i'm in india next month.
i'm in hyderabad dec 3-6 to eat biryani (and speak at the Internet
Governance Forum) and then i'm in Trivandrum dec 9-11 for the Free
Software Free Society
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [19/11/08 12:37 -0800]:
in the glorious tradition of silk-list-as-a-travel-agency [1], i am
looking for suggestions for what to do when i'm in india next month.
i'm in hyderabad dec 3-6 to eat biryani (and speak at the Internet
I'll see you there, then.
having never been
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
having never been to kerala before, and having recently added to my
collection of zuiko lenses, i would like to do some travelling around
the conferences. an ideal lens workout would include scenery
(super-wide-angle), birds (600mm telephoto @35
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Venkat Mangudi [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Just registered for the IGF. Do they perform a background check or
something?
I don't think so. I'm attending as well.
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Of Venkat Mangudi
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:22 AM
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:
i'm in hyderabad dec 3-6 to eat biryani (and speak at the Internet
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given the number of random Nigerians who registered for IGF (and will
disappear into india the moment they land..) - and given my experience of
previous IGFs (I was at the first one in Athens) .. no they don't
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given the number of random Nigerians who registered for IGF (and will
disappear into india the moment they land
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://info.intgovforum.org/PLP_3IGF.php has the full list of people who
registered for IGF. Search for Nigeria.
No, I meant why do they choose India? India isn't that hot a
destination to emigrate is it?
Enough people to scam
-Original Message-
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Of Srini Ramakrishnan
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:00 PM
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
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On Thu, Nov 20
--- On Thu, 20/11/08, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Thursday, 20 November, 2008, 12:00 PM
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Suresh
:28 PM
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
--- On Thu, 20/11/08, Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Srini Ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [silk] last-minute itinerary for southie lens workout
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://info.intgovforum.org/PLP_3IGF.php has the full list of people who
registered for IGF. Search for Nigeria.
srs
The number of people attending from Nigeria does not seem unusually high to me..
Its
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Bonobashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I resent that!
From India, you can slip across the border to Sri Lanka easily.
Those into serious liberation travel can up the stakes and go straight to the
source of them all, the mother of all liberation travel
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