Re: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and FBX support - Softimage free w/Maya or Max or any Suite.

2014-03-16 Thread Adam Sale
Chris, the possibilities when using ICE are so endless, that all nodes are fair game. Hard to narrow it down to just a few, especially with a lot of the heavy duty ICE users. Just have a look at the vast repository on rray.de There are some very innovative ideas to be found there, it's also the

Re: Zoogloo Rigging Tools

2014-03-16 Thread Greg Maguire
Thanks Eric, I certainly hope it's useful in pushing a cross platform solution forward. Regards, On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Greg and Andy, Back in 2007, my friend Michael Werckle was saying very good things about the ZooGloo system.

Re: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and FBX support - Softimage free w/Maya or Max or any Suite.

2014-03-16 Thread Julian Johnson
On 15/03/2014 17:44, Graham Bell wrote: I¹ve absolutely no doubt, but in all the time I¹ve demoed Softimage, even pre-AD, there was never anyone who didn¹t like the software, tech or couldn¹t see the potential benefits. However despite this, it wasn¹t easy for people to simply adopt. We could

Re: Kraken: cross-DCC rigging project (using Fabric)

2014-03-16 Thread Juhani Karlsson
This is excellent! Focus on making the project first useful in the Hybride and for the TDs. I think the artistic approach is something that can be build on top. It will also motivate the studios spend their efforts more if there is already a studios commited on support and development. Feed the

Re: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and FBX support - Softimage free w/Mayaor Max or any Suite.

2014-03-16 Thread peter_b
excellent stuff Julian. -Original Message- From: Julian Johnson Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:47 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and FBX support - Softimage free w/Mayaor Max or any Suite. On 15/03/2014 17:44, Graham Bell wrote: I¹ve

Re: Zoogloo Rigging Tools

2014-03-16 Thread Cristobal Infante
Hi Greg, thanks a lot for releasing your rigging framework! Are there any guides on how to use it? thanks, Cris On Sunday, 16 March 2014, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: Thanks Eric, I certainly hope it's useful in pushing a cross platform solution forward. Regards, On Sat, Mar

Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible?

2014-03-16 Thread Nuno Conceicao
Yeah I get your point, but for that to happen i can imagine that maya would have to be almost totally rewritten, right? Em 16/03/2014 05:22, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com escreveu: Yeah Nuno, I can easily enough. The stack is a patch for the lack of proper graph, not a feature

Re: Anyone in the SI list transitioning to MODO? -Please add your mail here

2014-03-16 Thread Demian Kurejwowski
the shader tree is fun and easy to work, you can override many materials and have groups of materials sharing certains part, that make it easy to modify and lighter for rendering since doesn't have to compile deiferent chonks of shaders all the time.   shader tree oppose to other 3d packages,

Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible?

2014-03-16 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
You already have most of what is possible in ice in Maya, it's called splice for Fabric. The only thing missing are some primitives and the visual programming paradigm and GUI, performance and portability are mostly better already. Honestly, I don't know why people keep mentioning things such

Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible?

2014-03-16 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
I ducking hate writing emails on a phone.

Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible?

2014-03-16 Thread Rob Chapman
yeah was gonna say Raph, its a bit rich complaining about Emelio not making much sense the other day after trying to leverage some comprehension into your last statement..! Get Brads phone model, his seems much more lucid to write on :P On 16 March 2014 11:12, Raffaele Fragapane

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Nope And Bradley put it so well that there is nothing else to say. At this moment a U turn is the best Autodesk can do.

OT: Render farms?

2014-03-16 Thread Darren Blencowe | VA
Hi Folks, Can anyone give me a name/list of Soft and Maya render farms? Thanks in advance! D.

Re: Zoogloo Rigging Tools

2014-03-16 Thread Christopher Crouzet
Hey Greg, please correct me if I'm wrong but from your description and after very quickly overlooking at your code, does it mean that you had to write the code to build each rig component (block) twice? Once for each software? On 15 March 2014 06:57, Greg Maguire g...@inlifesize.com wrote: Hi

Re: Proposal for TDs and Artist - Expand Softimage ( and other ) tools

2014-03-16 Thread Nicolas Esposito
Didn't notice ;-) 2014-03-15 21:25 GMT+01:00 Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com: there had been discussion of the same thing in Si-community: http://www.si-community.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=26t=4947 I think it's a good idea of developers are up for it and there is demand for the

Re: Anyone in the SI list transitioning to MODO? -Please add your mail here

2014-03-16 Thread Gustavo Eggert Boehs
a talk about modo as a plataform (Nexus) vs a modeler only product... sorta directed at ex-XSI users http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/discussion/topic.aspx?f=3t=85865 Gustavo E Boehs Dpto. de Expressão Gráfica | Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina | http://www.gustavoeb.com.br/ 2014-03-16

Re: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and FBX support - Softimage free w/Maya or Max or any Suite.

2014-03-16 Thread Martin
Selling SI is something that has already been discussed thousands of times since the EOL announcement and it is clear that it will never going to happen. I guess if someone offer 10x what Autodesk paid may have a chance to but that will never happen so let's stop with that topic. SI is never

Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit

2014-03-16 Thread skuby
There may be a case here for an Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit against Autodesk. We would need to have a lawyer look at the details and I'm not the person to be able to do this, as I don't have the resources, connections or credibility to do so. However, if successful, it is potentially possible

Re: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and FBX support - Softimage free w/Maya or Max or any Suite.

2014-03-16 Thread Raffaele Fragapane
I don't know if it's clear, but AD already reverted the decision of timebombing licences tied to a suite, so you already get a perpetual concurrent licence of Soft if you downgrade to Maya. The problem, and something worth fighting for IMO, is expanding, since no new seats will be available for

Re: Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit

2014-03-16 Thread Ben Barker
I'm not a lawyer either, but a few thoughts. When AD first bought Softimage there were talks of monopoly. Unfortunately for us, AD's biggest market is CAD, and they have several competitors in that arena. The government doesn't really parcel out the market in a way that favors a claim on monopoly

RE: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
Just to let everyone know Carl got the letter and is asking questions and will write back when he gets into the office on Monday. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Leoung O'Young

RE: ICE in Maya is it really possible?

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
Raf is right. We focused a lot on modernizing the core of Maya so that we can enable third parties to play nice within the Maya environment and Bifrost works much the same way splice works in that it is a node inside Maya that passes data back and forth to another world that is more suited to a

RE: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Thank you for the update Chris. I hope that Autodesk will reconsider and make the right decision to bring us back Softimage.

RE: Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
Hi everyone, Things are very different than six years ago. In terms of competition for Autodesk, you can now argue in different industries there is Cinema 4D, Modo, Houdini, Zbrush, 3D coat, and even Unity (now has modeling tools) that can replace functionality that was once only available

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Jordi Bares
Its easily done, you fire the guy that took the decision and reinstall confidence on both parties. Business 101 Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 15 Mar 2014, at 21:31, Eric Thivierge ethivie...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Meng-Yang Lu ntmon...@gmail.com wrote: Heh,

RE: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and FBX support - Softimage free w/Mayaor Max or any Suite.

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
Hi Julian, I feel like the open letter written by Perry captures the best sentiments of the threads I have read the last few weeks. Carl will respond as he is very pragmatic and down to earth and was a software developer writing tools for many years. Sending the letter to Chris and Carl is the

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Or the guy that in the meeting raised his hand and said why we don't kill Softimage...

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Perryharovas
Thank you for letting me know, Chris. On Mar 16, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com wrote: Just to let everyone know Carl got the letter and is asking questions and will write back when he gets into the office on Monday. cv/

RE: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
The topic was bringing over ICE graphs into Bifrost. We will not show the Bifrost graph in the first version but if you click here (https://www.fxguide.com/featured/bifrost-the-return-of-the-naiad-team-with-a-bridge-to-ice/) you can see what we showed at Siggraph last year in terms of the

RE: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and FBX support - Softimage free w/Maya or Max or any Suite.

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
great site From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Adam Sale [adamfs...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:49 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Idea- Just keep Mental Ray and

RE: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Correct me if I am wrong but Bifrost at this moment seems to me that it is only for fluid sim from that article. What about the rest that ICE is for?

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Thomas Volkmann
What questions is he asking??? On Mar 16, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com wrote: Just to let everyone know Carl got the letter and is asking questions and will write back when he gets into the office on Monday.

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Dan Pejril
What new strategy can we use to convince the Softimage community that an inferior product (Max, Maya) is better than Softimage? On 3/16/2014 3:02 PM, Thomas Volkmann wrote: What questions is he asking??? On Mar 16, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com wrote: Just to

Re: Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit

2014-03-16 Thread Tenshi Sama
I'm not a lawyer, but i think with Autodesk history there's maybe a case here. The only way i think this could be accomplished is with all the community support; from studios to freelancers; important people; then, gather all the info from past years, videos, open letters, discussions, petitions,

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Francisco Criado
Chris, seriously? yo ad want it all right? F. On Sunday, March 16, 2014, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com wrote: The topic was bringing over ICE graphs into Bifrost. We will not show the Bifrost graph in the first version but if you click here (

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Francisco Criado
Lets promise them they are going to have ice on Maya! if we can't, lets buy FE. F. On Sunday, March 16, 2014, Dan Pejril d...@upbeatunique.com wrote: What new strategy can we use to convince the Softimage community that an inferior product (Max, Maya) is better than Softimage? On 3/16/2014

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Paul Griswold
I imagine questions like, what is this 'soft image' and why should I care?— Sent from Mailbox for iPad On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Thomas Volkmann li...@thomasvolkmann.com wrote: What questions is he asking??? On Mar 16, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com

Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-16 Thread Cristobal Infante
Another interesting demo with C4D, octane and 7 titans ;). How fast is that! https://vimeo.com/82836433 On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cgc...@gmail.com'); wrote: Hi, Tim Clapham from hellolux has been kind enough to share a code for

RE: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
? ad ? From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Francisco Criado [malcriad...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Paul Doyle
Hi Chris - Ronald was the main (very gifted) designer and he's now at Ubisoft, so I'd suggest he's really the key person from the original ICE team and doesn't work for either AD or Fabric. At Fabric we have Jerome and Peter who were involved in much of back-end multi-threading work, and Phil and

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread John Richard Sanchez
I really hope it goes something like this. http://youtu.be/g4UeHWPeOrA On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Paul Griswold pgrisw...@fusiondigitalproductions.com wrote: I imagine questions like, what is this 'soft image' and why should I care? -- Sent from Mailbox

Re: Anyone in the SI list transitioning to MODO? -Please add your mail here

2014-03-16 Thread Tim Crowson
Yes materials are not closed entities like they are in Softimage. Also, if you need to make the shader tree easier to read, there is an option to filter by current selection, so that the tree will only show materials that are assigned to the current selection. -Tim On 3/16/2014 5:45 AM,

Re: Cinema 4D an option?

2014-03-16 Thread Sebastien Sterling
Quite sure a lot of things are faster with 7 titans... On 16 March 2014 19:45, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote: Another interesting demo with C4D, octane and 7 titans ;). How fast is that! https://vimeo.com/82836433 On Thursday, 13 March 2014, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Leoung O'Young
The more I think about this, the more angry I get, so much of society is driven by greed and money. It is not just AD, it is much of the corporate world. The bottom line is money. Who really care how many people this will hurt and turn their life upside down. One of the good thing that came out

Re: OT: Render farms?

2014-03-16 Thread Rares Halmagean
http://www.foxrenderfarm.com/ A quick search also brings up https://www.rendercore.com/ search for more yourself and compare. On 3/16/2014 8:19 AM, Darren Blencowe | VA wrote: Hi Folks, Can anyone give me a name/list of Soft and Maya render farms? Thanks in advance! D. -- *Rares

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Paul Griswold
Leoung, I tend to,disagree that this is about greed.  Softimage is less than a drop in the bucket of Autodesk's portfolio.  Based on how it's played out, it's seems to be a situation where Autodesk believes it knows what's best for us and they're just forcing us to do it. Autodesk is our

RE: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
Thanks Paul. I think everyone here respects all the hard work everyone put into ICE and that the whole team did not leave and many of the key people involved in ICE kept working on what eventually became Bifrost. Bifrost will be launched this week so people will get their first real glimpse of

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Steven Caron
you don't have to explain ICE to us, i personally have been using some incarnation of ICE for about 7 years now. grabbing a list of categories from the docs and asking us which ones we use the most makes me wonder if you know what are doing... we need all of those lower level nodes to create the

Re: Wise up

2014-03-16 Thread Christian Gotzinger
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:30 AM, David Saber davidsa...@sfr.fr wrote: If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat ugly mother in law instead, would you accept? Well, to be fair, Autodesk are promising to apply many layers of makeup to her face and make her use the

RE: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Chris Vienneau
Fair enough. I have had this conversation with a few people face to face and it is obviously easier than a mailing list. Thanks for the thought as it is consistent with what other people have said. cv/ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com

Re: Wise up

2014-03-16 Thread Leo Quensel
Am 3/16/2014 10:05 PM, schrieb Christian Gotzinger: On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:30 AM, David Saber davidsa...@sfr.fr mailto:davidsa...@sfr.fr wrote: If Ad asks you to leave your young beautiful wife, and choose your fat ugly mother in law instead, would you accept? Well, to be fair,

Re: OT: Render farms?

2014-03-16 Thread Jimmy Marrero
I can vouch for rendercore. Awesome group of guys. Ive been using them for years they are very helpful. On Mar 16, 2014 4:35 PM, Rares Halmagean ra...@rarebrush.com wrote: http://www.foxrenderfarm.com/ A quick search also brings up https://www.rendercore.com/ search for more yourself and

Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible?

2014-03-16 Thread Andy Goehler
Amen. Finally some sensible words — thank you Raffaele. Andy On Mar 16, 2014, at 12:11, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Honestly, I don't know why people keep mentioning things such as she of vote or rewrites and the such. XSI wasn't rewritten to get ICE with its

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Eric Thivierge
Hey Chris, A few questions: 1. How do you respond to the people who have been long time die hard Softimage users who have also been exposed to other DCC's, maya specifically, who have little to no faith in AD being innovative or responsive to their user base as history has shown. I can give you a

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Andy Jones
Let me ask a very open question to Paul Doyle. Paul when people say the creators of ICE work at Fabric do you agree? Many on the Bifrost team would argue they were just as much a part of it than the hard working guys at Fabric. I think it is great that there are two companies following this

Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible?

2014-03-16 Thread phil harbath
I going to ask something and in my defense I am completely ignorant of most things technical, given how fast redshift is at GPU rendering (and to me it is just magic how much faster it is than plain old 6-core cpu rendering), why can’t more parts of these Programs which require a lot of

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Mario Reitbauer
Uhm. Actually I know others who say that the key people behind Ice went to a quite new company which name starts with F and ends with abric Engine. So someone is wrong here. About your question. Actually I think there is not even a single node which should miss in ICE. Some are redundant and

Re: ICE in Maya is it really possible?

2014-03-16 Thread Paul Doyle
Hi Phil - the problem is that the GPU is not as broad in capabilities as the CPU. What this means is that many kinds of work have to be moved back and forth from the CPU memory to the GPU memory in order to complete them - they can't just stay on the GPU. The cost of this movement usually kills

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Bk
Say there was a 50/50 split of the ice team. I would always go with the team that decided to take matters into their own hands with the confidence to start their own company, rather than the team that went to work for their competitors- being a company infamous for slow plodding development and

Re: Top List of ICE Nodes That Cover 80% of What You Do With The Toolset

2014-03-16 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: What is unclear is how the ICE approach (as a high-level visual programming paradigm) meshes with Bifrost as publicly shown to date - I expect that is driving the questions people are raising. Because of that, I think it

Re: Anyone in the SI list transitioning to MODO? -Please add your mail here

2014-03-16 Thread Ognjen Vukovic
I think i might give it a try again as i played around with it once a couple of months ago. Heres the mail. ognj...@gmail.com On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Yes materials are not closed entities like they are in Softimage. Also, if you

Re: Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit

2014-03-16 Thread Doeke Wartena
I think it will be very expensive but i would be happy to donate some. 2014-03-16 20:16 GMT+01:00 Tenshi Sama tenshu...@gmail.com: I'm not a lawyer, but i think with Autodesk history there's maybe a case here. The only way i think this could be accomplished is with all the community support;

Re: Open Letter to Carl Bass

2014-03-16 Thread Morten Bartholdy
Perry - thank you for this letter. Very comprehensive. Morten Den 15. marts 2014 kl. 16:13 skrev Perry Harovas perryharo...@gmail.com: Dear Mr. Bass My name is Perry Harovas. You don't know me, but I am a 10 year Softimage user. 10 years is actually a small amount of time when

Re: Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit

2014-03-16 Thread Sebastien Sterling
if only to shit in their coffee :P On 17 March 2014 01:02, Doeke Wartena clankil...@gmail.com wrote: I think it will be very expensive but i would be happy to donate some. 2014-03-16 20:16 GMT+01:00 Tenshi Sama tenshu...@gmail.com: I'm not a lawyer, but i think with Autodesk history

Re: Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit

2014-03-16 Thread Tenshi Sama
What i don't understand is why Autode$k want people hate them. I mean, look at The Foundry, such a nice reputation. Why Autodesk don't want to be a good company? They only need to listen customers; that's all. It's easy. On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Sebastien Sterling

OT: Humor. Just thinking....just thinking...

2014-03-16 Thread David Rivera
Everyone: can you see the jpg? :) Just thinking...just, thinking.   David Rivera 3D Compositor/Animator LinkedIN Behance VFX Reelattachment: paulo-coelho.jpg

Re: Anyone in the SI list transitioning to MODO? -Please add your mail here

2014-03-16 Thread David Rivera
This video has been posted before, so I credit the one who did it. In the mean time: Play from minute 48 onwards. I was crying in joy. How could´ve we have not seen this in our softimage era? * Passes and materials interactive architecture: YES give me TWO to go, please!! * Swipe cursor over