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On the news right now there's a story about the shell of a burnt-out Dairy Queen. Damages estimated at $500,000.00. The reason for my writing is that the firefighter being interviewed just a moment ago said that if there had been sprinklers he'd probably not still be there to talk to the reporter.

RE: Testing of Dry Manual Standpipes

Our FD is more then glad to hook up an engine, handline and flow them. (Except in the dead of winter) Its a win-win-win, contractor gets it tested without having the greater expense of renting his own equipment, AHJ gets his flow test and the FD gets to work with the system and gain confidence in

Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

Kurt, I'd do a couple of things to attempt to get some clarity (sanity?) from your AHJ. First, I'd direct his to the applicable definitions of feed main, cross main, and branch lines in chapter 3 of NFPA-13. They are 3.5.3, 3.5.2 and 3.5.1, respectively. After he's had a chance to look tha

Re: Testing of Dry Manual Standpipes

I didn't find anything about an air test in Chapter 9 of the Oregon Fire Code. Only reference to testing in accordance with NFPA 25. Ed Roland Huggins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The issue here is verifying both piping integrity and ability to flow system demand. How do you do that with

Re: Testing of Dry Manual Standpipes

The issue here is verifying both piping integrity and ability to flow system demand. How do you do that with air (you go for 500 cfm instead of gpm on the most remote standpipe -lol)? Roland On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Oregon Fire Code allowed testing with a

Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

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RE: MIC Testing

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RE: MIC Testing

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RE: Interesting High-Rise Design

Did the Cal-Val work OK with the flow from the inspector's test? At 03:19 PM 1/18/2008, you wrote: Off Standpipe (in direction of flow): BV - Cla-Val - Tee (to FDV) - BV - CHV - WFS - T&D (to Spkrs.) Worked well. Tom Tom, Is the BF before the Cla-Val required or was it installed in case there

RE: Interesting High-Rise Design

Off Standpipe (in direction of flow): BV - Cla-Val - Tee (to FDV) - BV - CHV - WFS - T&D (to Spkrs.) Worked well. Tom Tom, Is the BF before the Cla-Val required or was it installed in case there is maintenance required on the Cla-Val and not to shut down the feed? _

Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

That's all true, but I believe a joint committee was the reason for the changes in the NFPA 13, 2007. And if you look at 2007 there are very different requirements for bracing / spacing, and loads. All I'm saying is that 2007 will provide seismic protection that has been judged to meet the inte

RE: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

In my situation I have an AHJ that is saying that a gridded system doesn't use branch lines but rather all piping components in a grid system are either feed or cross mains and so even 2" and smaller piping needs to be braced. I sent him a copy of the Appendix brace location examples for gridded sy

Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

Tom, I feel that this should be clarified further. My understanding, at least as affected by the ICC Codes, is as follows: The 2003 edition of IBC removes the reference to the use of NFPA 13 from ASCE 7 2002 edition. (The version of NFPA 13 referenced is NFPA 13, 1999, NOT NFPA 13 2002). NFP

Re: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

Remember that if your spec. requires you to meet ASCE 7 requirements that NFPA 13, 2002 was found not to meet these, however 2007 was accepted as substantially meeting these requirements. Also there was a TIA to 2002 to move toward meeting ASCE 7, but 2007 is much better. Most AHJ's will accept

RE: Seismic Bracing and 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix

I'm re-posting this and any opinions or comments as to whether the seismic bracing locations shown figures in the 2002 NFPA 13 Appendix are OK to use would be appreciated. Kurt Kingston Commercial Fire Protection Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: Interesting High-Rise Design

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Re: MIC Testing

MDE can analyze the pipe (metallurgically) as well as provide sampling kits. http://www.mde.com/mde/home.shtml Michael At 06:52 PM 1/17/2008, you wrote: Where do you send pipe for MIC testing? Forest Wilson Cherokee Fire **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.

RE: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7.1 (4)

I would not fill the space with those of Cowboys fans, as this is an actual vacuum. As we all know, if this space is placed under a vacuum, the flash point is lowered dramatically, and can result in a much faster developing fire. Matt Matthew J. Willis Living Water Fire Protection, LLC. 1160 McKe

Re: Interesting High-Rise Design

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RE: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7.1 (4)

That sound you hear, my friend, is the wind of change. Or, the sound of several lightning bolts! Terri Simmons Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING Ph:  858-751-2930 - ext. 101 Fax:    858-751-2933 Cell:  619-871-8450 Go CHARGERS! We take care of our KIDS! -Original Message-

RE: MIC Testing

Will they test the pipe too? I only know of them testing the water and the scale, not the quality of the pipe. Paul J. Pinigis, P.E. Chief Life Safety Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri Leyton Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1

RE: Interesting High-Rise Design

So long as the manufacturer will warrant/underwrite the listing of a valve within a given range of minimum to maximum flow, it should be okay. Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting The foregoing is my opinion only and is not intended to represent the Technical Committee on Standpipe Systems

RE: MIC Testing

http://www.fpscmi.com/about_us.htm This is a spinoff of the Code Consultant's (CCI) corrosion guys; they have then worked with Potter Electric to develop the Potter line of Corrosion Monitoring products. Another source Glc Go PSU (neener neener to Michigan- next year's the charm, game is bro

RE: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7.1 (4)

You're right. There's a huge stockpile of broken and shattered dreams in Big D. Memo to the Munce: I know, I know, stick to sprinklers. But it's just so darned EXCITING. We're pro sports Siberia out here ... Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting -Original Message- From: [EMAI

RE: MIC Testing

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RE: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7.1 (4)

I'LL throw my hat in for the Bill's as well! (next year) Brian Harris FDFP INC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dyce Geoffrey H. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 9:35 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7

RE: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7.1 (4)

Go Bills!! (next year) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:43 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7.1 (4) Was that a Santa Ana wind or just hot air?

RE: NFPA 13, 2002 A.3.7.1 (4)

No, use instead the broken dreams of Cowboys fans. Bill Minkel, Designer Western States Fire Protection, Dallas NFPA Member #2578666 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:10 PM To: sprinklerforum

RE: MIC Testing

There is a forensic metallurgist in Northern Virginia that I have used a few times. I am looking for his card, but no luck yet. Paul J. Pinigis, P.E. Chief Life Safety Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thur

RE: Interesting High-Rise Design

Tom, Is the BF before the Cla-Val required or was it installed in case there is maintenance required on the Cla-Val and not to shut down the feed? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duross Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:56 PM To: sprin