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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:08 PM
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Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test?
Bucket test, IMHO, was to prove the shortcut calcs allowed under 13D
worked. 13R calcs are done
in sprinklered house).
But flowing 20 heads in a 13 system? Be careful what you ask for is right.
glc
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Of Mike
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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:56 PM
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I agree with Thom in that, as we are getting closer to mandated fire
sprinklers in single family homes, the potential for a large number of
new
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From: Mike Brown (TECH- GVL) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, April 14, 2008 9:28 am
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It was surprising the number of systems that failed when the test was
preformed
Back in the late eighties and early nineties, virtually every D and R system
we did or designed got a bucket test. I still have my graduated buckets and
pendent tubes we used. There's a couple of towns here in MA that still
require them. I don't remember being waived on an R multi-family system
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Perhaps it is time to incorporate a bucket test requirement and test
method
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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:39 PM
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This TEST was a conditional method when 13D was new. I have not seen
Brown
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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:41 PM
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Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? (TIA Needed)
The Put the Water in the Bucket Test was in addition to the overall plan
review and permitting process. The system should be installed in accordance
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Sent: 09 April 2008 20:47
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Subject: Re: What is a Bucket Test?
What kind of variance in calcs from actual bucket test results are
considered acceptable? I'm just curious since taking out the head and
flowing straight from a 1/2 threaded
With the why now answered and seemingly support and justification why aren't
we doing this in all system even ESFR? Seems like all the 'cuz's have
nothing to do with residential specifically?
I'm guessing this is a can of worms I don't want to open but just did. Can
I un-ring Pandora's Box?
Great idea Chris, and so it shall be. ;-)
John Drucker
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With the why now
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Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:15 AM
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Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test?
With the why now answered and seemingly support and justification why aren't
we doing
Chris,
This silly test tells you nothing that other tests don't already tell
you. It certainly doesn't tell you if your system will work or not
because it presumes that conditions at the moment of the bucket test
reflect the moment of the water availability test. Main drain tests
will
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Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test?
I've always thought that the purpose of the bucket test was not only to
verify adequate flow, but also to verify that the piping was actually
connected to a water
: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:12 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test?
Now that we have some what and where how about the why?
Brian's problem would have been discovered by looking at the gauge or main
drain, a bucket test wasn't really necessary. Is there some
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Sent: April 9, 2008 12:01 PM
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A bucket test / barrel test is when you remove a head(s) in the remote area
and fill up a bucket
: What is a Bucket Test?
A bucket test / barrel test is when you remove a head(s) in the remote
area
and fill up a bucket/barrel to see if it is flowing the gpm the is
called
for in the calc's. In our case with the density and heads we are using
that
would be 20 gpm, we are getting
: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:12 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test?
Now that we have some what and where how about the why?
Brian's problem would have been discovered by looking at the gauge or main
drain, a bucket test wasn't really necessary. Is there some
Subject: Re: What is a Bucket Test?
What kind of variance in calcs from actual bucket test results are
considered acceptable? I'm just curious since taking out the head and
flowing straight from a 1/2 threaded outlet vs. flowing a 7/16 orifice
(like a 4.2k sprinkler w/ element removed) could
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Sent: April 9, 2008 1:47 PM
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Subject: Re: What is a Bucket Test?
What kind of variance in calcs from actual bucket test results are
considered acceptable? I'm just curious since taking out the head and
flowing straight
So, you start with the system dry, then open the valve?
Bill Brooks
William N. Brooks, P.E.
Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc.
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Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test
and installation. And I guess the water supply.
Tony
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Sent: April 9, 2008 5:58 PM
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So, you start with the system
guess the water supply.
Tony
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So, you start with the system dry, then open
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