Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37)

My foreman claimed NTS stood for Not To Sure. I always went with your version. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 8:52 PM, Russell Gregory via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > >  > Just to add to the abbreviations we use TC (to cut) in conjunction with SOE > or GOE. > Also note that NTS is

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37)

Just to add to the abbreviations we use TC (to cut) in conjunction with SOE or GOE. Also note that NTS is used on drawings as “Not To Scale”. Russell Gregory Christchurch New Zealand From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bill

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37)

FIF. Fit in Field . Had a Foreman that claimed it meant F__ in Field. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > AIL? Address it later? > > Best. > >> On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:06, Ben Young via Sprinklerforum >> wrote: >> >> VIF

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37)

AIL? Address it later? Best. > On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:06, Ben Young via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > VIF verify in field > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:49 PM BILL MENSTER via Sprinklerforum >> wrote: >> NTS. (not too sure) >>> On January 14, 2020 at 3:08 PM Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum

RE: BIM Woes

I have done multiple BIM projects. The other trades usually do not follow the model to a T as drawn for no justifiable reason that I have seen. BIM does work much better than traditional coordinating in my experience but I have not seen the savings in labor that would significantly justify the

RE: BIM Woes

Until our industry embraces this BIM fully, we will have these issues. Steve nailed it. When done correctly, it is great. But we all have horror stories. Spend 6 months on 3D coordination and then no one follows the model. Just had an issue today. Fitter calls telling us we are hitting

BIM Woes

Subject Change: I really enjoy BIM discussions. I call it BIM just to tick off T-Mack. I have had, and am continuing to have good success. Do they all work. No. Have I had tragedies, sure. All parties have to be onboard for it to work. It is always interesting because we are normally #11 or

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Thank you Michael, that's music to my ears. We started drawing sprinkler plans in Revit six years ago because that's what our clients wanted and what their clients were demanding. Since that time, the amount of effort that we expend in the construction administration phase of our projects has

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37)

VIF verify in field On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:49 PM BILL MENSTER via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > NTS. (not too sure) > > On January 14, 2020 at 3:08 PM Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > My FAVORITE things

Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Michael it sounds like you need to find some better GCs to work with then On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:51 AM Michael Goodis via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Bim modeling, that’s funny. Never seen it work yet…. Only thing its been > god for is (your duct is in

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

The only reference to clearance is for structural members NFPA 13 – 2016 edition: 9.3.4.9 The installed horizontal and upward vertical clearance between horizontal sprinkler piping and structural members not penetrated or used, collectively or independently, to support the piping shall be

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Michael, LOL! The best thing about BIM modeling is the extra money it generates. Once out in the field the plumbers, HVAC, and sparky’s all act like they’ve never heard of such a beast, but that’s only because sprinklers guys are all pure as the driven snow. Thank you, Bob Knight,

RE: Pipe adjacent to duct

Bob: I believe that is in Section 9.3 which is the seismic section. This job is Seismic Design Category B, so 9.3 doesn’t apply. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext.

RE: Pipe adjacent to duct

Travis, The only thing I can think of is where there is to be a 2” clearance to structural that isn’t supporting piping. The AHJ could be confused as to what is structural and what isn’t. Thank you, Bob Knight, CET III Fire by Knight, LLC 208-318-3057 From: Sprinklerforum

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Well, when I’ve gotten that “it’s in the code” response from an AHJ and I am pretty certain it is not, I respectfully request them to please provide me with the code reference so I can present it as part of my Change Notice to the GC for design modifications which cannot be made until such code

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Bim modeling, that’s funny. Never seen it work yet…. Only thing its been god for is (your duct is in the way, we see you cant move, the model is wrong, let now reroute due to the conflict, oh and wait, its not a CO because this should have been caught during the bim modeling.) Great stuff

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, but now it is. Travis Mack,

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem?  Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South

Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:23 AM,

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Hahahahaha From: David Bohannon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:21 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matthew J Willis ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum   wrote:

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, P.E. Vice President Engineering and Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association 301.343.1457 - Mobile From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Matthew J Willis via

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Educate him. Use your charm. R/ Matt From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:16 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack ; Prahl, Craig/GVL Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct No seismic. No

Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

No seismic. No insulation. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > 

RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct

Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP pipe? When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet metal? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 |

RE: Pipe adjacent to duct

I’ve never seen anything but we have had inspector’s misinterpret the prohibition for supporting anything from sprinkler pipe to mean touching…never seen this one though. Greg McGahan Genesis Fire Services, LLC o-850-637-8535 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack via

Pipe adjacent to duct

We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac