Just to add to the abbreviations we use TC (to cut) in conjunction with SOE or GOE.
Also note that NTS is used on drawings as “Not To Scale”. Russell Gregory Christchurch New Zealand From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Cunningham via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2020 4:47 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Bill Cunningham Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37) FIF. Fit in Field . Had a Foreman that claimed it meant F______ in Field. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: AIL? Address it later? Best. On Jan 15, 2020, at 11:06, Ben Young via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: VIF verify in field On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:49 PM BILL MENSTER via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: NTS. (not too sure) On January 14, 2020 at 3:08 PM Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: My FAVORITE things to put on shop drawings (because it drove our spoiled union fitters CRAZY) was to write GOE or TOE on an over-cut piece of pipe. If we were in a big hurry and had no real idea of where or how to start resolving an issue, I’d use VIF (verify in field). That was always good for a phone call … Steve L. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 12:03 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Kyle.Montgomery; Bruce Verhei Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37) Are you familiar with the term ‘C.O.J.’? Heheheh… Just in case you aren’t, it’s not dirty or anything. It means “cut on job”. -Kyle M From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei via Sprinklerforum Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 7:42 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Bruce Verhei <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: NFPA 13, 23.1.3 (37) I’ve never drawn up a fab order. I always assumed you’d need this information. Do I get it wrong. Best. Bruce Verhei On Jan 13, 2020, at 06:15, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> wrote: I’m curious why there is any confusion over this? Example: If you have sprinklers on sprigs and don’t provide any elevation information, the shop drawing reviewer or permit reviewer will have to calculate the fitting takeouts and sprig lengths to be sure your sprinkler is within the allowable dimensions from the deck. Without piping elevations how will the crew know where the pipe is supposed to be routed so that it doesn’t run into every other system that’s in the same space? When reviewing calculations, having elevations shown on the drawing that correlate to the calcs helps verify that the design depicted on drawings and in the calcs actually match. Dimensions are great too as well as building column lines for reference. 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This helps with lengths of pipe and calcs too. We use the word relative because it doesn't need to be Above Sea Level. (But I think you already know this!!) Cecil It should be recognized that the above is my opinion as a member of the NFPA, and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects and should therefore not be considered, nor relied upon, as the official position of the the NFPA, nor any of their technical committees. Sincerely, Cecil Bilbo Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology Champaign, IL 217.607.0325 www.sprinkleracademy.com <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2furldefense.com%2fv3%2f__http%3a%2fwww.sprinkleracademy.com__%3b%21%21B5cixuoO7ltTeg%21XkRGRr99xdaYdXH-7ZtUy7WBSB6JojsVotvM0MEf4HstA0lFb_iFkQjqkCfIZhe8rg%24&c=E,1,lrILx3ZqAuWTlJr6vtDmdLu8zQHkEAdczAkK02lJElbySxF9feNEfQweKbQ9Ia6LdrSwJa8kH4kp-BBS4w3zFjYPmJIdWwwmQ1vlz8VayDd0ANS6KODue744&typo=1> [email protected] ?? 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