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Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling
To: Steve Leyton
Hi
the building is sprinklered . a design change is being made it install a
gas furnace above the hung
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Subject: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling
i have a non sprinklered building with hung ceiling in kitchen area
If a gas furnace is installed above the ceiling is localized protection ok
section 8.15.1.4 (nfpa13 2016
i have a non sprinklered building with hung ceiling in kitchen area
If a gas furnace is installed above the ceiling is localized protection ok
section 8.15.1.4 (nfpa13 2016) covers heat producing devices with composite
wd joist
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Mike:
Check into the AFSA informal interp archives regarding VTACs. I had one from
them in a hotel project recently. The spaces did not contain fuel fired
equipment so did not require protection
Thank you Kevin,
I'll send it to the AHJ
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> Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6"
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:59 PM Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum <
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> Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6"
> Non-Combustible Concealed space that has a heat pump
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Is it really a closet, or just an enclosure with an access panel?
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Non-Combustible Concealed Space
Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" Non-Combustible
Concealed space that has a heat pump unit inside this space. There is not a
door into this space only a disch
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Mike:
Check into the AFSA informal interp archives regarding VTACs. I had one from
them in a hotel project recently. The spaces did not contain fuel fired
equipment so did not require protection.
Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP
10:59 AM
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Cc: Mike Hairfield
Subject: Non-Combustible Concealed Space
Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" Non-Combustible
Concealed space that has a heat pump
unit inside this space. There is not a door into this
Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" Non-Combustible
Concealed space that has a heat pump
unit inside this space. There is not a door into this space only a discharge
grill that can be removed by the maintenance
staff to get access to service these units.
The
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> *To:* Steve Leyton ;
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> *Subject:* RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
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> Steve,
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> In the PNW it has been an issue
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Anthony:
The code has never been enforced this way - sprinklers are required to be
installed per NFPA 13, with its exceptions noted. (Regarding attics,
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Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
Anthony:
The code has never been enforced this way - sprinklers are required to be
install
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Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
All, in the IBC it says in section 903.3.1
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Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space
On the downside, if all areas above the ceilings are not protected, it may
give a false sense of security. On the upside, more sprinklers are better,
and even if not required they can act as detectors in the space. Botto
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Yes, it is specified in NFPA 13. NFPA 13, does not tell you which buildings are
required to be sprinklered, which task is up to the building code or local
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Subject: Uprights in non combustible concealed
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We installed temporary
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Not really. The codes and standards determine the decision.
This may be my last post. At the age of 95 I am starting to lose interest.
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Not really. The codes and standards determine the decision.
This may be my last post.
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The AHJ should enforce the code not make it up, code does not prohibit the
sprinklers to remain above the ceiling.
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We installed temporary upright Protection in a partially occupied building
during a major renovation. We then came back and dropped pendent heads in the
new ceiling. We left the uprights above the new ceiling. Fire inspector says we
need to remove the uprights now. Is there a basis for removing
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> It is accessible thru the s
just wouldn’t be the same!! ;-)
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602 820-7894
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Non-Combustible Con
Of Steve Leyton
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Absolutely. What could be a better gig than GETTING PAID to fight with fire
officials??
Steve
PS: No guarantee of result.
No restrictions due to the presence of gas fired heater except for 8.15.1.4 -
composite wood joists channels and then its ALL heart-producing equipment.
There is that goofy requirement in 13D for requiring a single sprinkler over
gas-fired furnaces in attics.
Think of it this way. THere’s
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Absolutely. What could be a better gig than GETTING PAID to fight with fire
officials??
Steve
PS
, May 09, 2018 1:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
Steve can I hire you to fight with AHJ’s when I have issues?
Rocci Cetani III, CET
Senior Designer
Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III
Northern
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Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
N Let’s stop using the word “accessible” in conjunction with
T-Bar ceilings. As described in the standard for purposes of determining
whether a non-combustible space might
exhausting …
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It is accessible thru the suspended ceiling with ladders.
Jay
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> We are bidding a sch
Jay,
Are the non combustible concealed spaces readily accessible or no?
From: Jay Stough
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Sprinkler Forum
Subject: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)
We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible
concealed
We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible
concealed spaces above the ceilings. Most of the HVAC equipment is on the
roof, but there is one gas fired unit in that concealed space in one area.
I cannot find where I have to install sprinklers in that area due to the
Well known restaurant chain is inquiring about this situation:
If you have a non-combustible structure with new wood framed walls within,
there will be 2x4 bracing from the top of said wood walls attached to the
bar joists. Does the tops of the walls and the bracing alone make this a
combustible
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:27 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: non combustible concealed space?
Well known restaurant chain is inquiring about this situation:
If you have a non-combustible structure with new wood framed walls within
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:44 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Non-combustible concealed space - or is it?
Peter,
As the E84 test is a horizontal burning test and your insulation is
installed on walls, the E84 test does not meet
Method of Test of Surface Burning
Characteristics of Building Materials, extended for an additional 20
minutes in the form in which they are installed, shall not require
sprinkler protection.
I have a foam insulation sprayed on the walls of an otherwise
non-combustible concealed space, that has a 25
Burning
Characteristics of Building Materials, extended for an additional 20
minutes in the form in which they are installed, shall not require
sprinkler protection.
I have a foam insulation sprayed on the walls of an otherwise
non-combustible concealed space, that has a 25 or less flame spread
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