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Cahill, Christopher
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:12 PM
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I prefer to have said
, Christopher
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:12 PM
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I prefer to have said it this way, government plan check inspectors should
be certified to the same level or HIGHER than those they regulate. NICET
III to have
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or NCPCCI or ICC.
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David Autry da...@mfp-inc.com wrote:
Don't you have to work for a contractor
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Behalf Of John Drucker
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or NCPCCI or ICC.
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: Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:06 PM
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The COO is more than just a formality.
If an owner occupies without the COO, he/ she is subject to arrest by armed
marshals.
It doesnt matter if its a mall owner or a small
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Behalf Of Owen Evans
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:28 PM
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No.
Government plan check inspectors should be state certified on all aspects of
their job.
A local fire
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Behalf Of Rod DiBona
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:50 AM
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As I have watched this thread too many stories
:27 AM
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It doesn't help, the public doesn't understand codes and a smart media
relations person will point out public and firefighter safety being compromised
over money which in the end is what
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On Behalf Of Cahill, Christopher
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Theoretically at best If an owner occupies without the COO, he/ she is
subject to arrest by armed marshals. Reality is you
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On Behalf Of Cahill, Christopher
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:06 PM
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Theoretically at best If an owner occupies without the COO, he/ she is
subject to arrest by armed marshals. Reality is you get
, 2014 8:24 PM
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I am filing an appeal, for all the good it will do. Have to get CofO then I can
fight the the good but futile fight.
Ron fletcher Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 20, 2014, at 5:10 PM, John Drucker
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It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum
Buildings Save Lives !
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It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage,
prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from
Why ?
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Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote:
My favorite is home rule (aka we can make up whatever the heck we want)
places like Texas. Did a small job for a company in a place around Houston. Was
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:31 PM
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The best way to fight that is to look up the law that adopts the adopted
code. See if the law even gives the power to exceed the adopted codes.
Then go to the town
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the
AHJ. The following is a quote from
1:04 PM
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the
AHJ
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Has Annex B been adopted? See 101.2.1?
Duane
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From: mphe...@aerofire.com [mailto:mphe...@aerofire.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 07:35 AM Eastern Standard
Because that is what he wanted
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080
www.fpdc.com
On Jul 19, 2014, at 5:34 AM, John Drucker jdruc...@redbanknj.org wrote:
Why ?
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Has Annex B been adopted? See 101.2.1?
Duane
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Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
The stance of the AHJ is that their unwritten policy is pumps can only be
used at 100%. They also
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
The stance of the AHJ is that their unwritten policy is pumps can only be
used at 100%. They also believe that 1500 gpm pumps will only produce 1500
gpm, and we have to use 2 2000 gpm pumps to get 4000 gpm
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
The stance of the AHJ is that their unwritten policy is pumps can only be
used at 100%. They also believe that 1500 gpm pumps will only produce 1500
gpm, and we have to use 2 2000 gpm pumps to get 4000
And A.4.8.
Duane
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From: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 08:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: 'sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org'
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
See NFPA 20
, 2014 08:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
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sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
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See NFPA 20:4.8.1.
Duane
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Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
See NFPA 20:4.8.1.
Duane
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From: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 08:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: 'sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org'
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
See NFPA 20:4.8.1.
Duane
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Date:07/19/2014 8:09 AM (GMT-06:00)
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This is where the universe starts to wobble, and then slip into a black hole. I
sent them this very section to show that our design MEETS their code. They sent
Standard Time
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sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
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The AHJ told me I don't care what the codes say. Do it my way or no CofO. I
am appealing to the State FM while arranging to change the pumps to 2000 gpm
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Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
See NFPA 20:4.8.1.
Duane
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 08:42 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: mphe...@aerofire.com
Date:07/19/2014 8:09 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
This is where the universe starts to wobble, and then slip into a black hole.
I sent them this very section to show that our
I don't know the specifics of the pumps you're using, but my understanding
is that normally its more efficient for most pumps to run from 100% to 150%
and better for the long-term life as well. Would a letter or discussion
with the pump manufacturer have any impact on their reasoning do you
Now we're talking but instead of a letter ask the pump mfg to press the flesh
with the AHJ. The rep is fresh viewpoint and will bring technical expertise to
the table and typically some handout material. The FM saves face and gets a way
out. PS just the FM and the pump rep, since others will
Had a FPE registered in the state call the badge. They talked for an hour and
the FPE thought he was making some headway. Badge said he would email something
outlining their unpublished policies. 15 minutes later he called back and said
the chief told him not put a anything in writing. End of
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Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 8:36 PM
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Okay you explain the $40-50k hit to the bottom line
Ron fletcher Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2014, at 7:32
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:15 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
The stance of the AHJ is that their unwritten policy is pumps can only be
used at 100%. They also believe that 1500 gpm pumps will only
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On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 8:36 PM
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Okay you explain the $40-50k hit to the bottom line
Ron fletcher Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2014, at 7
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Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
The stance of the AHJ is that their unwritten policy is pumps can only be
used at 100%. They also believe
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The stance of the AHJ is that their unwritten policy is pumps can only be
used at 100%. They also believe that 1500 gpm
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On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 2:49 PM
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What does unwritten policy have to do with anything? If it's not an adopted
code amendment can they enforce
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What does unwritten policy have to do with anything? If it's not an adopted
code amendment can they enforce it legally?
Thank You,
Bob Knight, CET III
208-318-3057
www.Firebyknight.com
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From
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the AHJ.
The following is a quote from a letter we received from that same AHJ.
At this time , Blah Blah Blah Fire Protection District is denying
: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the AHJ.
The following is a quote from a letter we received from that same AHJ.
At this time , Blah Blah Blah Fire
The last discussion I was around regarding a local AHJ and the State FM, the
local effectively told the State that their opinion had no bearing on the
outcome.
Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
:04 PM
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the AHJ.
The following is a quote from a letter we
:25 AM
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Subject: Re: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
The last discussion I was around regarding a local AHJ and the State FM, the
local effectively told the State that their opinion had no bearing on the
outcome.
Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
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Behalf Of Cahill, Christopher
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 10:26 AM
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Wow, and he doesn't even know what that section says.
The fire code official is hereby authorized to enforce the provisions
.
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I told him that IFC didn't give
: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Frazier
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The best way to fight that is to look up the law that adopts
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The best way
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On Behalf Of Cahill, Christopher
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Wow, and he doesn't even know what that section says.
The fire code official is hereby authorized to enforce
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the
AHJ
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the
AHJ
Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the
AHJ. The following is a quote from a letter we received from that same AHJ.
At this time , Blah
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Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:04 PM
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior to
the letter I
to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior
to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the
AHJ. The following is a quote from a letter we received from that same AHJ.
At this time , Blah Blah Blah
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On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:04 PM
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage, prior
to
the letter I
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On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 1:04 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage
My favorite is home rule (aka we can make up whatever the heck we want)
places like Texas. Did a small job for a company in a place around Houston. Was
supposed to be a small group home designed to 13D. A new Fire Marshal came in
half way through the project and changed the requirements to 13R
I call ittroglydite infeztation
Ron fletcher Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote:
My favorite is home rule (aka we can make up whatever the heck we want)
places like Texas. Did a small job for a company in a place around Houston.
Was supposed
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You're alright like most of us the psychology part of sprinkler work just
makes you want to throw up in your mouth a little bit , right?
On Jul 18, 2014, at 9:09 PM, rfletc...@aerofire.com wrote:
How about everything is per code except we
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On Behalf Of Brad Casterline
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 10:19 PM
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You're alright like most of us the psychology part of sprinkler work just
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On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage
1:04 PM
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Subject: Segue to AHJ's from CPVC Underground
It's Friday so I figured I'd whine on the forum. To set the stage,
prior to
the letter I am referring to we had approved permitted drawings from the
AHJ. The following is a quote from a letter
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