not be enforceable.
Section 4.20.1.4 indicates that the test header is to be installed “…on an
exterior wall or in another location outside the pump room…”
Since this valve must be a listed indicating valve per Section 4.20.3.3.1, I
believe the intent is similar to that of the pump controller
I have a pump room where an esteemed colleague suggested I locate the fire pump
test header control valve near the test header on the vertical pipe to limit
the amount of “dry” pipe. Since the valve would be located near the top of
vertical pipe the dry portion of the pipe would drain well
“backwards” or a test
header arrangement.
David Toshio Williams, FPE, LEED-AP O+M
(218) 279-2436 direct | (218) 310-2446 cell
LHB, Inc. | PERFORMANCE DRIVEN DESIGN
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
Behalf Of Forest Wilson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016
ust issued a design with such a test header (COE
> project where they “suggested” we look at this provision in the design). My
> view is that the FDC is fine for project with less than 500 gpm flow
> requirements. If over that (and in my case the flow was 1100 gpm), then we
> need a
So define test header and for what test. We just went through a huge thread
about BOR and testing this that and everything else with the original
questioner never defining what the test was for (or at least not before I
got bored). First picture in my head when someone says test header is one
) 759-5556
On Jul 14, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Todd Williams
<fpdcdes...@gmail.com<mailto:fpdcdes...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is there any requirement to install a test header on a riser without a pump (In
addition to arrangement for full flow FDC test)? I have an engineer insisting
that it is.
Had a project at a military base and they insisted that we installed a test
header for the forward flow test on the back-flow preventer.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Todd Williams <fpdcdes...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there any requirement to instal
As an engineer who just issued a design with such a test header (COE project
where they "suggested" we look at this provision in the design). My view is
that the FDC is fine for project with less than 500 gpm flow requirements. If
over that (and in my case the flow was 1100 gpm), th
We installed a by-pass on the FDC line for the forward flow test, but he
wants a test header as well.
Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-608-4559 (cell)
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On Thu
I have installed a test header on a riser to do a flow test of a backflow, take
a look at NFPA #13 2010 10.10.2.5
Ryan Labrie
Fire Protection Designer
Critical System Solutions, LLC
2830 Scherer Drive, Suite 300
St. Petersburg, FL 33716
Office: 727.209.5122
Fax: 727.209.5126
Cell
Subject: Test header on riser
Is there any requirement to install a test header on a riser without a pump
(In addition to arrangement for full flow FDC test)? I have an engineer
insisting that it is. When I asked for referenced, I get the "you look it
up" response. Just want to be sur
Is there any requirement to install a test header on a riser without a pump
(In addition to arrangement for full flow FDC test)? I have an engineer
insisting that it is. When I asked for referenced, I get the "you look it
up" response. Just want to be sure before I scream back
Todd
I'm running a theoretical calc on a pump test header to try and determine if
the existing pump is running at or near its rating, there are (4) 2-1/2 hose
valves flowing 375 gallons each. The question I have is what pressure would be
plugged into the calc's for each valve? I have a test chart
Why not just read the gauges on the pump?
Ron F
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Harris
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:22 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Test Header Calc
I'm running
Brian,
I just performed this on a warehouse project with a diesel fire pump taking
suction from a municipal water supply. The EOR wanted to know the pressures
on the Suction Flange of the pump.
I started off with 375 GPM on each test header valve and assigned a pressure
of 47 PSI to one
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Subject: RE: Test Header Calc
Brian,
I just performed this on a warehouse project with a diesel fire pump taking
suction from a municipal water supply. The EOR wanted to know the pressures on
the Suction Flange of the pump.
I started off with 375 GPM on each test header valve
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:43 AM
To: Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test Header Calc
Okay, what am I missing? There are gauges on the suction and discharge sides
of the pump, right?
Ron F
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun
Are you trying to determine a pressure so you can assign a k-factor to the test
header outlets?
Why not just put a fixed flow from each test connection outlet and then see
what the pressure is and how that compares to the pump rating?
Do you have a flow test showing what's going into the pump
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:51 AM
To: Ronl.Fletcher; Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test Header Calc
Ron,
In my case the EOR was worried about negative pressures on the suction flange
before the sprinkler contractor ordered the pump.
Regards,
G. Tim Stone
G
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:51 AM
To: Ronl.Fletcher; Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test Header Calc
Ron,
In my case the EOR was worried about negative pressures on the suction flange
before the sprinkler contractor ordered the pump.
Regards,
G
glad tomorrow is Friday. Ron F
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From: Tim Stone [mailto:tston...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:51 AM
To: Ronl.Fletcher; Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test Header Calc
Ron,
In my case the EOR was worried about negative
.
A.4.20.1.4 The hose valves of the fire pump test header should
be located on the building exterior. This is because the test discharge
needs to be directed to a safe outdoor location, and to
protect the fire pumps, controllers, and so forth, from accidental
water spray. In instances where damage from theft
Last week I was at an ASCET meeting where a pump presentation was given.
Someone asked the presenter if it was allowed to remove the test header
valves and keep them in the pump room to stop them from being stolen.
The presenter and few other attendees chimed in that this was ok, and
nothing
They make test header outlets with male threaded outlets (basically the
opposite of an FDC) with hose caps that you remove and then screw on hose
valves that have a female swivel on the inlet side. Of course there's still
the risk of someone stealing the hose caps and/or brass adapteer
-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
Morey, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:49 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: pump test header valves
They make test header outlets with male threaded outlets (basically the
opposite of an FDC) with hose caps that you
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
Morey, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:49 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: pump test header valves
They make test
Subject: RE: pump test header valves
They make test header outlets with male threaded outlets (basically the
opposite of an FDC) with hose caps that you remove and then screw on
hose valves that have a female swivel on the inlet side. Of course
there's still the risk of someone stealing
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ben
Young
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:05 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: pump test header valves
Bobby,
Do you mean screw-on PVC caps, or the plastic
Too bad, I was liking the 2 1/2 plastic pipe caps idea a lot. The removing
the entire test header is Ok but that has to be at least two and probably
three guys on anything bigger that a couple of three valves.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Bobby McCullough
bo...@atlantasprinkler.com wrote
09, 2014 11:54 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: pump test header valves
We usually install the header exposed on the outside of the pump house/room
with a grooved connection. When not in use, we remove the entire header with
valves and store it inside for the next test
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
mphe...@aerofire.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:54 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: pump test header valves
We usually install the header exposed on the outside of the pump house/room
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
rongreenman .
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:43 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: pump test header valves
Too bad, I was liking the 2 1/2 plastic pipe caps idea a lot. The
removing the entire test header
: pump test header valves
Grooved cap!
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 9, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ed Kramer kd...@knology.net wrote:
Mark, how does the owner typically 'plug' the hole in the side of the
building?
Ed Kramer
Lawrence, KS
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From: sprinklerforum-boun
, John Denhardt jdenha...@stricklandfire.com
wrote:
Funny but true story:
I had a client who was worried about security with the test header
penetrating the exterior of the building. They had us remove the test header
after each test and store in the fire pump/mechanical room. We were
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
rfletc...@aerofire.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:58 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: pump test header valves
Or, if possible keep headed in the pump room without valves, run hoses out to a
truck mounted test rack
We have jurisdictions out here with very specific requirements and one city
mandates a proprietary test header design for high-rise buildings that is only
to be located in the pump room. Because we typically cast high-rise tanks in
place with concrete, it's a simple exercise to block out
This strikes me as somewhat counter-productive. Even in this mild climate
(PacNW coastal) we do experience freezing event os long enough duration to
freeze things. Even a slight leak in the control valve to the test header
can fill the header and valves sufficiently between tests that damage could
[mailto:jdwa...@flsamerica.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:10 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Fire Pump Test Header Calculation
Can I get some assistance with a fire pump test header calculation?
I got the calculation form from 20:4.20.3.4, and I have it filled
-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad
Casterline
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:17 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Fire Pump Test Header Calculation
Jimmy,
I would guess that if your pump discharge PSI at the 150% rated GPM test flow
(from the pump
I like the analogy.
To make sure we're on the same page, if I require a pitot pressure of 10 psi at
my hose monster, and I lose 60 psi back to the pump discharge. If the pump
discharge gauge shows 100 psi, my test header line would be adequately sized
(under the curve). Correct?
Jimmy Waite
I would look at it like this: The discharge gage is like the flow test
hydrant that you are calcing to. The test header is like the remote area
with a PSI and GPM demand, and the test header pipe, fittings, and hose is
between the two points. The pitot gage reading at the test header is
measuring
19, 2013 10:47 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Fire Pump Test Header Calculation
Right. So the worksheet from NFPA 20 basically calculates a total amount of
friction loss from the pump to the pitot.
So, my discharge gauge shows the total of the pump pressure
Exactly - you are basically calculating a demand flow pressure back to the
fire pump discharge. If for instance that demand is 50 PSI at 750 GPM, as long
as that demand is under your combined city/fire pump curve then you can use
the minimize test header pipe size as indicated in NFPA 20
Can I get some assistance with a fire pump test header calculation?
I got the calculation form from 20:4.20.3.4, and I have it filled out. But
what to I do next? How do I use it to confirm the pipe size?
Jimmy Waite, CET – Design Manager
Fire Life Safety America- Raleigh District
7711
...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 1:18 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: test header
NFPA 13 has stated for a couple of cycles that a means shall be provided to
forward flow test the BFP. Look at 8.17.4.6.1. Because Mr Greenman
requested
and were unable to hook to
the male valves on the FDC. I met with the Battalion Chief that sent the letter
and pointed out they had climbed over a wall into a service area (access was
from the other side around the building) to try to connect to the Backflow test
header, Yes it had a red engraved sign
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron
Greenman
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:41 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: test header
By the time toy've
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: test header
Moreover, the engineer could specify Ron's solution up front. Doesn't help the
design-build jobs - but you as the contractor could offer it up front...in such
a way that makes you look like you're helping the customer, not just
...@lists.firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark A.
Sornsin, P.E.
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:13 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: test header
Moreover, the engineer could specify Ron's solution up front. Doesn't help
: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:
sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark A.
Sornsin, P.E.
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:13 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: test header
Moreover, the engineer could specify Ron's solution up
Subject: RE: test header
Moreover, the engineer could specify Ron's solution up front. Doesn't help
the design-build jobs - but you as the contractor could offer it up
front...in such a way that makes you look like you're helping the customer,
not just seeking a means to get more money out
A.
Sornsin, P.E.
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:13 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: test header
Moreover, the engineer could specify Ron's solution up front. Doesn't
help the design-build jobs - but you as the contractor could offer it up
front...in such a way
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark A.
Sornsin, P.E.
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:13 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: test header
Moreover, the engineer could specify Ron's solution up front. Doesn't help
the design-build jobs - but you
, June 03, 2013 9:23 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: test header
I think we're talking about the 25 test here and this is an ongoing deal.
When you find a system without means it is in the owner's interest to pay for
installing a header, which can be as little as dropping
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark A.
Sornsin, P.E.
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 6:13 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: test header
Moreover, the engineer could specify Ron's solution up front. Doesn't help
the design-build
: RE: test header
This discussion is about the minority of systems right? Doesn't the 2 main
drain take care of most LH and OH?
Chris Cahill, PE*
Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation Facilities Group Burns McDonnell
8201 Norman Center Drive
Bloomington, MN 55437
Phone: 952.656.3652
Fax
you calculate it just like flow from any other orifice open to the exterior.
The judgement part comes in for assigning a discharge coefficient and the exact
size for a threaded orifice.
This issue was the exact topic of an article in the May issue of Sprinkler Age.
It can be accessed from
Designer is required to do a forward flow test for BFP. However, the riser is
existing to remain, and does not have a test header. How can a forward backflow
test be done?
Regards,
Timothy Easter
E.I.T.
Graduate Fire Protection Engineer
This e-mail and any attachments contain URS
:39 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: test header
Designer is required to do a forward flow test for BFP. However, the riser
is existing to remain, and does not have a test header. How can a forward
backflow test be done?
Regards,
Timothy Easter
E.I.T.
Graduate
There is a good article in the latest Sprinkler Age (by Roland) that might
give you some ideas.
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From: Easter, Timothy [mailto:timothy.eas...@urs.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 1:39 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: test header
Designer
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of G. Tim
Stone
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 1:52 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: test header
Why is the designer
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: test header
Of course, if your design flow is high enough, you may not get enough flow
out of the FDC inlet - especially one equipped with flappers.
Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection
Engineer | Fargo, ND
I am use to providing one 2 ½ connection for every 250 gpm of system demand.
I do not know where this requirement came from nor do I know of any
requirement. Does anyone know of such a requirement?
Regards,
Timothy Easter
E.I.T.
Graduate Fire Protection Engineer
URS Corporation
11832 Rock
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Easter, Timothy
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:58 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: determining number of outlets for test header
I am use to providing one 2 ½ connection for every 250 gpm
.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Easter, Timothy
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:58 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: determining number of outlets for test header
I am
: determining number of outlets for test header
My guess is that usage comes from standpipe calculations that require the
250gpm per valve up to the required flow. I do not recall a requirement on how
may valves to provide for a specified system demand for testing the backflow
preventer
See NFPA 20:Table 4.26 for test header requirements.
Duane Johnson, PE
Program Manager
Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor)
Office of Research Services
National Institutes of Health
301-496-0487
Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time
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From: Easter
Thats where I was going to send him - the question was for test header, I
didn't see where the backflow testing came in... if its for number of hose
valves on a test header, then what Duane said.
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285
him - the question was for test header, I
didn't see where the backflow testing came in... if its for number of hose
valves on a test header, then what Duane said.
Bobby Gillett
See NFPA 20:Table 4.26 for test header requirements.
Duane Johnson, PE
I am use to providing one 2 ½ connection
Is there any thing wrong with using 5 Storz-type connections for a fire
pump test header in lieu of the standard 2-1/2 hose valves?
Shannon Splawn, CFPS
Jacobs
Fire Protection | Mechanical Engineering Dept.
513.674.3822
shannon.spl...@jacobs.com
NOTICE - This communication may contain
Subject
er.orgTest header at pump house
11/02/2009 11:32
Of Splawn,
Shannon
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:33 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Test header at pump house
Is there any thing wrong with using 5 Storz-type connections for a fire
pump test header in lieu of the standard 2-1/2 hose valves?
Shannon Splawn, CFPS
Jacobs
Fire
Cahill
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:40 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test header at pump house
Just whoever does ITM (or for that matter the initial acceptance) do they
have 5 storz hose adapters and way to split the flow to hose monsters or
playpipes or I guess do
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test header at pump house
Not sure about it who will do the ITM. It's a case where I am
duplicating an
existing fire pump house to a brand new site in another state and the
existing one is set-up like I described. I just am not 100% comfortable
Yep. I had to add the FDC to my plans because it did have one on the
original
The test header has (3) 5 storz connections on a 12 manifold and 12 pipe
from two fire pumps.
Shannon Splawn, CFPS
Jacobs
Fire Protection | Mechanical Engineering Dept.
513.674.3822
shannon.spl...@jacobs.com
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test header at pump house
Yep. I had to add the FDC to my plans because it did have one on the
original
The test header has (3) 5 storz connections on a 12 manifold and 12 pipe
from two fire pumps.
Shannon
@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test header at pump house
I'd say that this is ok if you supply the owner with 3 - 5 storz hose
monsters, to be kept on site in the pump house for ITM use . Is there a
valve you could use to control the flow from each connection? (How to
balance the flows
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:20 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test header at pump house
Each storz has a 6 butterfly control valve. The plan also includes a flow
meter that is returned to the storage tank. As I said, this is just me
copying the design done by another
It sounds to me that you need to confirm with the owners that that is in fact
what they really want for the pump test header. It's a unique enough
configuration that one would think the owner has a plan for the use of these
connections as test outlets. Then again, the original design may have
Actually, there is no need for the test header on a fire pump- IF you have
standpipe FHVs, hydrants or other means for testing the flow.
And with a flow meter installed, you only have to flow water and measure it
every -3 yrs? Sorry, I didn't commit #25 to memory, but its less than
annually
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:53 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test header at pump house
Actually, there is no need for the test header on a fire pump- IF you have
standpipe FHVs
-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Splawn,
Shannon
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:54 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Test header at pump house
They will have private yard hydrants; in fact, lots and lots of them.
... Especially if, in the background, something
Not exactly, you modulate your flow with the test header valve. Those
individual valves in the header should be just to open another stream, full
open or full closed. You never want to expose the downstream side of the test
header valve to full system pressure when it's normally empty
I have a two thousand GPM diesel riven pump that supplies 3 large warehouses.
The test header has 4 hose connections. Inspection team tells customer that
the test header needed 4 more valves in order to do the test. Customer calls
and ask where thats written that each connection is rated
What about putting a large connection (4 stortz) on the end of the header
so that the testing company can use a large hose monster? That's what I did
on the test header at our office.. Works GREAT. One 4 X 10' hose, one
big hose monster, throttle the valve and get a great test curve
. Or does it?
J
From: Michael Fitz mf...@mde.com
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 3:51:51 PM
Subject: RE: Test Header
What about putting a large connection (4 stortz) on the end of the header
so that the testing company can use
No it does not change it. Your concern is with testing the pump at
churn, 50, 100, and 150 rated. You use the test header control valve to
control the flow, the control valve serves the same purpose as the
individual hose valves.
-Original Message-
From: Jay Jay Blocker
05, 2008 3:41 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Fire Pump Test Header Sign
We might have some left over from when Phoenix required a sign labeled
TEST HEADER - DO NOT PUMP. I guess they were getting requests for F X
F swivel adapters because some FDC's had the wrong type inlet
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Drucker
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:16 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Fire Pump Test Header Valve Supervision
Gregg,
Aside from
If I may ask the obvious, where does the code state that the test header
valve requires supervision? Operation of it would not impede the fire
protection system. While I'm sticking my neck out, is the jockey pump
control valve supposed to be supervised?
Gregg
-Original Message-
From
Gregg,
Aside from from preventing the test header line and outlets from
freezing (that's the obvious part up north) there is a code reference;
1999 NFPA-20 2-11 Exception: The test outlet control valves shall be
supervised closed.
One could always cite 2002 NFPA-13 8.15.3.1.1 in colder climates
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Fire Pump Test Header Valve Supervision
Gregg,
Aside from from preventing the test header line and outlets from
freezing (that's the obvious part up north) there is a code reference;
1999 NFPA-20 2-11 Exception: The test outlet control valves shall
, October 19, 2007 11:01 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Fire Pump Test Header Valve Supervision
John,
I went through the same exercise last month. The only luck I had was with
Ferguson Fire Fab out of Tucker, GA. They have a company that will alter a
butterfly tamper to work
Mike, Please;
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Make sure about
Hi Ron, Yikes, not the hose valves just the valve in the test header
LINE. Opps left that key word out.
John
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John,
I went through the same exercise last month. The only luck I had was with
Ferguson Fire Fab out of Tucker, GA. They have a company
John,
I went through the same exercise last month. The only luck I had was with
Ferguson Fire Fab out of Tucker, GA. They have a company that will alter a
butterfly tamper to work correctly with a fire pump test header. Contact Jim
Sutton.
Mike Wisneski
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Why monitor the hose gates? Monitor the big valve inside unless it is a
wet test header without a main control valve.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic
Phoenix, AZ
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Does anyone have product reference for a tamper switch and or tamper
switch/valve assembly configured for use on a fire pump test header
aside from pull type (PTS) cable devices ?.
Thanks
John Drucker
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Subject: Fire Pump Test Header Valve Supervision
Does anyone have product reference for a tamper switch and or tamper
switch/valve assembly configured for use on a fire pump test header
aside from pull type (PTS) cable devices ?.
Thanks
John
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