RE: equation of time

2005-10-17 Thread Roger Bailey
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Powers Sent: October 17, 2005 8:22 AM To: SundialList Subject: Re: equation of time Message text written by "Frans W. Maes" >Much older is a very elaborate copper horizontal dial, engraved around 1730 by Davi

Re: equation of time

2005-10-17 Thread Patrick Powers
Message text written by "Frans W. Maes" >Much older is a very elaborate copper horizontal dial, engraved around 1730 by David Coster, now in the Rijksmuseum (Amsterdam-4 in the book, with picture). It has analemmas for all hours from 8 to 16.< Hi Frans, this gets more and more interesting! Thanks

Re: equation of time

2005-10-17 Thread Frans W. Maes
Dear Frank & all, [Sorry, previously sent to Frank only] The Dutch sundial catalog (Zonnewijzers in Nederland, by Van Cittert-Eymers & Hagen) mentions as the oldest public analemma in the country: an analemma carved in stone at a sundial on a house in Jutphaas (south of Utrecht) from 1831 (cat.nr

Re: equation of time

2005-10-17 Thread anselmo
Roger, > I think the lack of equation-of-time indicators on dials before the > mid-1800s has a simple explanation: Sundial time was considered > CORRECT, and the mean solar time shown by clocks WRONG (or, at least, > a mere approximation). Well, I suppose there was some kind of

Re: equation of time

2005-10-16 Thread Joe Montani
uot; time; but, I come at this from a different direction. I wonder if you will please re-post those discrepancies, as noted above, but with the DATES appropriate to the discrepancies, or corrections. I ask this because I am interested in knowing whether the Equation of Time (EOT) was calculate

Re: equation of time

2005-10-16 Thread JOHN DAVIS
came from the first Astronomer Royal, John Flamsteed.  Tompion himself also put EoT tables on some of his dials but he didn't usually date them - the earliest which is positively datable is around 1702 but there may be ones from the 1690s.   For further details, see: J. Davis: ‘The Equation of

Re: equation of time

2005-10-16 Thread Roger W. Sinnott
At 11:16 AM 10/12/2005 +0100, Frank Evans wrote: >My question is: Was this, like Richardson's appendix in Mrs. Gatty's >book, a first appearance of an equation of time line? Can anyone supply >earlier earlier examples of such a line on dials either in the UK or >elsewhere?

equation of time

2005-10-15 Thread Frank Evans
Greetings fellow dialists Re the earliest analemma on a dial in the UK nothing has turned up before the 1889 example cited by Chris Daniel but thanks to Franz Maes, Dave G. and Tony Moss for helping the problem along. Early equation of time corrections engraved around the edge of horizontal

Re: equation of time

2005-10-12 Thread tony moss
Dave G. wrote: >Lloyd Mifflin (sp?) obtained a US patent for a sundial with an analemma in >or around 1867 USA patent No. 64,892 of 21st May 1867 to be exact although it wasn't the familiar full 'figure 8' shape he used. Two profiled plates, each covering six months of the analemma, were fitte

Re: equation of time

2005-10-12 Thread Aten Heliochronometers
- Original Message - From: "Frank Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sundial" Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:16 AM Subject: equation of time > Greetings fellow dialists > > In his recent article on the equation of time in BSS Bulletin 17 (i

equation of time

2005-10-12 Thread Frank Evans
Greetings fellow dialists In his recent article on the equation of time in BSS Bulletin 17 (iii), Chris Daniel writes that the earliest appearance of the analemma in a UK publication is perhaps the illustration in the second edition of Mrs. Gatty's sundial book, dated 1889. Here the f

RE: Re equation of time

2002-10-16 Thread David Pratten
ion to calculate the Equation of Time  If you note the parameters to this function you will see that latitude is not necessary for calculating it.   David -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dougdotSent: Wednesday, 16 October 2002 7

Re equation of time

2002-10-15 Thread dougdot
Hello all, As a newcomer to dialling, I would like to know whether the "fast" or "slow" as shown on the graph is the same for the southern hemisphere as for the northern hemisphere. Doug

Re: Equation of time

2001-09-27 Thread Gianni Ferrari
Hello all, on Sat, 4 Jan 1997 I sent a message to this list with the results of a little research on the definition of the Equation of Time. I send it again (only partly) after having revised the results (extended to new books..) I've searched for EoT on many books on Sundials a

Equation of time

2001-09-24 Thread Yvon Mass
Hello all, Ooops!... Of course, I make a mistake: >For example in France, traditionally: EoT = real time - mean time >while in USA: Eot = mean time - real time. Please read: For example in France, traditionally: EoT = local mean time - solar time while in USA: Eot = solar time - local mean time

Equation of time

2001-09-24 Thread Yvon Mass
Dear all, I would like to know how the equation of time (EoT) is defined according to country. For example in France, traditionally: EoT = real time - mean time while in USA: Eot = mean time - real time. Could you tell me how you define the Eot in your country ? Many thanks Yvon Yvon

Re: Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator

2001-05-07 Thread Sungroup
Oops! Sorry about the banal error, and most grateful for all the comments. Fortunately nothing was carved in stone, and the sign error has now been corrected. Other points: 1. The incorrect "Equation of Time" has now been relabelled "Standard Time Correction" and it is

Re: Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator

2001-05-02 Thread John Davis
rom: Gianni Ferrari To: sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de Sent: 01 May 2001 16:13 Subject: Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator Hi Piers ,I have visited with a lot of interest your Solar Noon Calculator on the webat www.solar-noon.com and I have immediately made some tests

Re: Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator

2001-05-02 Thread Gianni Ferrari
Even if, already from two centuries, in all the nations, engineers and scientists have tried of to reach an unification of the different quantities that are used in industry and in science and hundreds of International Conferences have been made for adopting the same definitions all over the worl

Re: Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator

2001-05-01 Thread John Schilke
ONE JOT what convention is actually used so > long as the end result is correct, explained and understandable to others > of a different persuasion. > > The difference in the preferred usage of the sign of the Equation of Time > has been known for so long that we need to be able to

Re: Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator

2001-05-01 Thread Patrick Powers
of a different persuasion. The difference in the preferred usage of the sign of the Equation of Time has been known for so long that we need to be able to accommodate it, not try to change it. It is no different to the use of different weights or temperature scales. There will always be those str

Re: Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator

2001-05-01 Thread Dave Bell
On Tue, 1 May 2001, Steve Lelievre wrote: > Gianni wrote: > > As in almost all Web sites, also you take as positive the Longitudes for > > places West of Greenwich. > > The Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomic Almanac (USNO 1992) at page > > 203 affirms: > > "The geocentric longitude is

Re: Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator

2001-05-01 Thread Steve Lelievre
Gianni wrote: > As in almost all Web sites, also you take as positive the Longitudes for > places West of Greenwich. > Despite the opinion of the known astronomer J. Meeus, with which also Davis > agrees in his Sundial Glossary, even if a secular tradition justifies this > definition, it is NO

Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator

2001-05-01 Thread Gianni Ferrari
e not to call it Eot Moreover in this way the table with the values of noon is useless because these values are equal to those of the EoT + 12h The definition : "Equation of Time displays the difference between solar time and the standard times where you are" (note at the foot of the

Solar Noon & Equation of Time Calculator at www.solar-noon.com

2001-04-30 Thread Sungroup
have a links page if you would like a reciprocal link. You can also get a printout of the Equation of Time in the same format. We hope this will be useful. We would appreciate your comments. The page was developed as part of the Spot-On Sundial project (see www.spot-on-sundials.co.uk

Re: Needed: history of equation of time

2000-11-27 Thread John Davis
Dr J R Davis Flowton, UK 52.08N, 1.043E email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gordon Uber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sundial Sent: 27 November 2000 07:35 Subject: Needed: history of equation of time > I have become interested in the history of the Equation of T

Re: Needed: history of equation of time

2000-11-27 Thread fer j. de vries
Hello Gordon, I possess a small book about EoT, mostly old tables. Tables of the Equation of Time for the Regulating of Clocks and Watches by a Sun-Dial Ex Libris Christopher St. J.H. Daniel 1993 Mr. Daniel is the chairman of the BSS. Best wishes, Fer. Fer J. de Vries [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Needed: history of equation of time

2000-11-27 Thread Gordon Uber
recommend a reference (preferably in English) on the subject? I understand that John Flamsteed and Christiaan Huygens published tables of it in 1666 and 1662, respectively. If anyone has copies of these tables, the tables (or citations to them) would be greatly appreciated. So far I have loc

Re: equation of time

2000-03-16 Thread Jeff Adkins
I think this modeling explanation is as close as you'll get to a conceptual view of the question (without mathematics or technical terminology). Here are some of the thoughts I've had about this type of visualization problem. 1. You could take a purely observational view and say, Haven't you not

Re: equation of time

2000-03-16 Thread Luke Coletti
pears to move in a eastward direction and at a variable rate. If the Sun's apparent motion eastward is variable then so to is the length of our apparent solar day. The daily variation in the length of our solar day is additive, the sum of which is the Equation of Time. The question th

Re: equation of time

2000-03-16 Thread Bel Murru
plane of the earth's orbit. Please can anyone explain me the second cause so that I can conceive it. I am not a astronomer! If you have a globe that's tilted 23.45 degrees from vertical in its stand, and you spin it, that's its rotational plane, the plane of its equator. If you move the

Re: equation of time

2000-03-16 Thread Daniel Lee Wenger
Willy Simply put, the actual sun moves irregularly in the ecliptic plane, the mean sun may be thought to move uniformally in the earth's equatorial plane. In the first the ellipse is involved, in the second the obliquity of the earth's axis is involved. Dan Wenger >The equatio

Re: equation of time

2000-03-16 Thread Arthur Carlson
Willy Leenders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The equation of time has two causes. The first is that the orbit of > the earth around the sun is an ellipse and not a circle. The second > is that the plane of the earth's equator is inclined tot the plane > of the earth'

equation of time

2000-03-16 Thread Willy Leenders
The equation of time has two causes. The first is that the orbit of the earth around the sun is an ellipse and not a circle. The second is that the plane of the earth's equator is inclined tot the plane of the earth's orbit. Please can anyone explain me the second cause so that I ca

Re: Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ?

1999-09-27 Thread Arthur Carlson
"Ron Anthony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If I gave you a nice looking but somewhat erraticatic watch (the dial), and > said, "It works good but its 10 minutes fast". You would have no problem > making the mental calculation to get the correct time. I think you're right that native English

Equation of Time

1999-09-26 Thread tony_kitto
Whitaker's Almanack says "The direction in which the equation of time has to be applied in different problems is a frequent source of confusion and error." I think the confusion has little to do with any difference between navigators and astronomers. I think it had more

Equation of Time

1999-09-26 Thread Tony Moss
Fellow Shadow Watchers Current discussions Re.the Equation of Time bring to mind Tad Dunne's contribution to the Great Sundial Motto Festival of 1998 - or World War III depending on how you remember it :-) Hope you don't mind me re-printing you Tad! "On September One, you ca

equation of time

1999-09-25 Thread Patrick Powers
Message text written by Frank Evans > but for navigators EoT has always been mean time minus apparent time. My British Admiralty Manual of Navigation, Volume 2, 1938 states simply: The equation of time is defined as the excess of mean time over apparent time.< I have just looke

Fw: Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ?

1999-09-25 Thread Rudolf Hooijenga
- Original Message - From: Krzysztof Kotynia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rudolf Hooijenga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ? > > While that in itself is commendable, I re

equation of time

1999-09-25 Thread Frank Evans
I don't know if Patrick Powers is right about astronomers differing from (sextant age) navigators regarding the sign of the equation of time but for navigators EoT has always been mean time minus apparent time. My British Admiralty Manual of Navigation, Volume 2, 1938 states simply: The equ

Re: Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ?

1999-09-24 Thread Rudolf Hooijenga
CTED] (office) - Original Message - From: John Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:22 AM Subject: Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ? > Can somebody please shed light on a problem I have encountered with the > standard graph of the Equa

Re: Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ?

1999-09-24 Thread Tony Moss
Fellow Shadow Watchers With regard to confusions arising from the Eqation of Time I was in ToolMart recently where they were selling a particularly repellant fake cast dial which must have been inspired by a genuine item for it carried a circular Equation of Time setting out corrections

Re: Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ?

1999-09-24 Thread Ron Anthony
n Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; sundial Date: Friday, September 24, 1999 1:12 AM Subject: Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ? >This is a common problem. Historically there have been two ways of >assigning the positive and negative signs to the Equation of Time. It all >d

Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ?

1999-09-24 Thread Patrick Powers
This is a common problem. Historically there have been two ways of assigning the positive and negative signs to the Equation of Time. It all depends on the way you think of the difference of the two entities that give rise to the EoT. I think (but am not entirely sure) that navigationalists

Equation of Time Graph wrong way up Down Under ?

1999-09-23 Thread John Hall
Can somebody please shed light on a problem I have encountered with the standard graph of the Equation of Time. I have used the routines by Fer de Vries to generate the graph and the print outs check out perfectly with all standard references. They all indicate that at this time of the year the

Re: Heliochronometers: Equation of Time

1999-03-04 Thread Tom Semadeni
Hi Pete, Thanks very much for your help in calculating the "average over 4 years-sort of" analemma as shown in your http://netnow.micron.net/~petes/sundial/dialcalc.htm. Luke Coletti also sent me a really helpful table off-list. And I like your Bi-Millennial figures-of-eight, indicating th

Re: Heliochronometers: Equation of Time

1999-03-03 Thread Pete Swanstrom
My apologies for such late input to this thread, I have been a little behind in my e-mail!  I encountered many of these problems and the same questions when designing my Analemmic Equatorial sundial ( http://netnow.micron.net/~petes/sundial ).  I hope the following will help. Luke Coletti wrote:

[Fwd: Equation of Time]

1999-02-21 Thread Tom Semadeni
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Equation of Time References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, John for telling of the situ

Re: Equation of Time

1999-02-19 Thread John Shepherd
Thanks to Tom Semadeni for his kind words: >Thanks to Chris, for the clever graphical explanation showing especially the >discontinuities which support his recommendation to look at John Shepherd's >work on the beautifully designed and executed Richard D. Swensen Sundial >at the >University of Wi

Re: Heliochronometers: Equation of Time

1999-02-18 Thread Luke Coletti
Hello, Below are some data that may help you, the calculation date is Jan 1 Noon UT, EoT values are in the form TA-TM. The value of the EoT corresponds to a date/time i.e., a calendar and since there is not a whole number of days in our orbital period I think you can see how the EoT becom

Re: Heliochronometers: Equation of Time

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Semadeni
nalemma must have an error due to leap years. The error can > > be avoided. > > > > It is true that tables of the Equation of Time are slightly inaccurate > > because they take a mean value for the solar longitude on a named date (such > > as February 17th), whereas th

Re: Equation of Time

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Semadeni
Thanks to Chris, for the clever graphical explanation showing especially the discontinuities which support his recommendation to look at John Shepherd's work on the beautifully designed and executed Richard D. Swensen Sundial at the University of Wisconsin - River Falls. http://www.uwrf.edu/sund

Re: Heliochronometers: Equation of Time

1999-02-17 Thread Luke Coletti
ying that an analemma must have an error due to leap years. The error can > be avoided. > > It is true that tables of the Equation of Time are slightly inaccurate > because they take a mean value for the solar longitude on a named date (such > as February 17th), whereas the 4 year an

Re: Heliochronometers: Equation of Time

1999-02-17 Thread Daniel Lee Wenger
AIL PROTECTED]) is only partly correct in >saying that an analemma must have an error due to leap years. The error can >be avoided. > >It is true that tables of the Equation of Time are slightly inaccurate >because they take a mean value for the solar longitude on a named date (such

Equation of Time

1999-02-17 Thread Chris Lusby
Dear dialers, Tom Semadeni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks for clarification of a few points in my earlier mail. Firstly, I stated that an EoT table would have most error in 1903 and 2096. The only factor I was considering was indeed the difference between the calendar year and the mean tropical year. T

Re: Heliochronometers: Equation of Time

1999-02-17 Thread Tom Semadeni
Chris Lusby's post is instructive and I'd like to learn more. Chris Lusby wrote: > It is true that tables of the Equation of Time are slightly inaccurate > > because they take a mean value for the solar longitude on a named date > (such > as February 17th), wherea

Heliochronometers: Equation of Time

1999-02-17 Thread Chris Lusby
Daniel Wegner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is only partly correct in saying that an analemma must have an error due to leap years. The error can be avoided. It is true that tables of the Equation of Time are slightly inaccurate because they take a mean value for the solar longitude on a named date (such

Re: Analytical Solution of Equation of Time!

1998-10-28 Thread Keijo Ruohonen
>I'm looking for the analytical solution of equation of time. I'm trying to >study the revolution motion of the earth around the sun and I'd like to >find the relationship between the analytic solution of this motion and the >equation of time... > >Bye >Tom

Analytical Solution of Equation of Time!

1998-10-28 Thread Tommaso Addabbo
I'm looking for the analytical solution of equation of time. I'm trying to study the revolution motion of the earth around the sun and I'd like to find the relationship between the analytic solution of this motion and the equation of time... Bye Tom (ITALY) - Free e-mail g

Re: The sign of the equation of time

1998-07-12 Thread Luke Coletti
Indeed, and for those without access to Her Majesty's Stationery ;) the current convention is (Apparent Solar Time - Mean Solar Time) often abbreviated TA-TM. Luke Krzysztof Kotynia wrote: > There is a convention about the sign of the eqt. > It was adopted by IAU (International Astronomical Uni

Re: The sign of the equation of time

1998-07-12 Thread Krzysztof Kotynia
> I was wondering if there was a convention about the sign of the equation > of time. Waugh describes 'dial fast' and 'dial slow' but doesn't have a > sign. His graph looks negative in February. I want to make a graph that > is positive in February and negati

Re: The sign of the equation of time

1998-07-09 Thread Dave / Susan
inking is often the reverse (?inverse) of navigational thought. Good Luck DAVE Lat 33º 39' N Long 118º 04'W [ by my own sights and subject to correction ! :) ] John Harding wrote: > I was wondering if there was a convention about the sign of the equation > of time.

Equation of time

1998-07-09 Thread Frank Evans
To John Harding's question concerning the sign of the equation of time there is, for navigators of ships at least, a simple answer. Any instructional book on nautical astronomy will say that the equation of time is defined as mean time minus apparent time, i.e. clock time minus sun time.

The sign of the equation of time

1998-07-08 Thread John Harding
I was wondering if there was a convention about the sign of the equation of time. Waugh describes 'dial fast' and 'dial slow' but doesn't have a sign. His graph looks negative in February. I want to make a graph that is positive in February and negative in November and I

FourierSeries for Equation of Time

1998-02-13 Thread Gianni Ferrari
Dear friends, I could read only few days ago the many messages that have been sent to the List regarding the development of the Equation of Time in Fourier series. I thank in particular John Pickard to have taken up again the matter and Fer de Vries and Luke Coletti to have

Re: Calculating declination and equation of time

1998-01-28 Thread Woody Sullivan
*** >From: "Gianni Ferrari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "sundial list" >Subject: Equation of Time >Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 19:25:02 +0100 > >Dear friends, >I've followed with much interest the several messages >arrived in last days

Re: Calculating declination and equation of time

1998-01-27 Thread Luke Coletti
John Pickard wrote: > Over the past few months there have been several discussions of calculating declination and equation of time. I have seen no > > mention of using Fourier series to do this. > > In 1971, an Australian physicist workin on building research wrote a brief pap

Re: Calculating declination and equation of time

1998-01-23 Thread fer j. de vries
John Pickard wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Over the past few months there have been several discussions of > calculating declination and equation of time. I have seen no mention > of using Fourier series to do this. > Yes please, place it on the sundial

Calculating declination and equation of time

1998-01-23 Thread John Pickard
Greetings all, Over the past few months there have been several discussions of calculating declination and equation of time. I have seen no mention of using Fourier series to do this. In 1971, an Australian physicist workin on building research wrote a brief paper on how to do these

Re: Equation of Time Formula

1997-12-10 Thread Luke Coletti
Nicelli Alberto wrote: > Hi all brothers dialists! > Who knows the exact time and the exact ecliptic longitude of the > earth's perihelion ? The time(s) of perihelion and the other three principle orbital positions can be found at the following URL: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/AA/data/docs/Ear

RE: Equation of Time Formula

1997-12-09 Thread Jorge Ramalho
-- From: Nicelli Alberto[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: terça-feira, 9 de dezembro de 1997 13:55 To: 'sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de' Subject: Equation of Time Formula Hi all brothers dialists! Who knows the exact time and the exact ecliptic longitude of the earth&#x

Re: Equation of Time Formula

1997-12-09 Thread Gordon T. Uber
See "Astronomical Algorithms" by Jean Meeus, published by Willmann-Bell. He has a chapter on the Equation of Time. Formulas and parameters for almost everything astronomical. See: http://www.willbell.com/ Gordon At 14:55 97/12/09 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all brothers dialists! &

Equation of Time Formula

1997-12-09 Thread Nicelli Alberto
Hi all brothers dialists! Who knows the exact time and the exact ecliptic longitude of the earth's perihelion ? I need these values to calculate myself the Equation of Time with this formula I've obtained with a simple and traditional recipe : a little bit of spherical geometry a

RE: Equation of Time

1997-10-16 Thread Hooijenga R.
** I read about this list on the "Sundials on the Internet" page by the BSS. ** Hello Frank, and all, As for the _name_, I think "equation" can mean something done, or needed, to equate a thing to something else. As Fer said, ' Can it be a translation of "Equatio Temporis"? ' Personally I would

Equation of time

1997-10-15 Thread Charles Mollan, Samton Limited
I have a photocopy of William Molyneux' "Sciothericum Telescopium" Dublin 1686, and can confirm that he uses the term "Equation of Time". The title of Chapter X is "Concerning the Astronomical Equation of Time and the Tables thereof": "Being now upo

Re: Equation of Time

1997-10-13 Thread Gordon T. Uber
quot; was printed as early as 1683 for Thomas Tompion. - from "The Grandfather Clock" by Earnest Edwardes. Gordon Uber At 08:37 97/10/13 +0100, you wrote: >I know WHAT the equation of time is. >What I would like to know is - WHY is it called that? >Isn't an equation supposed to

Re: Equation of Time

1997-10-13 Thread fer j. de vries
Frank Tapson wrote: > > I know WHAT the equation of time is. > What I would like to know is - WHY is it called that? > Isn't an equation supposed to contain an equals (=) sign? > Surely it is really a correction factor? > Should it not go something like: > Local Mean

Equation of Time

1997-10-13 Thread Frank Tapson
I know WHAT the equation of time is. What I would like to know is - WHY is it called that? Isn't an equation supposed to contain an equals (=) sign? Surely it is really a correction factor? Should it not go something like: Local Mean Time = Local Apparent Time + Correction Anyone know any

Re: the discovery of the equation of time

1997-07-14 Thread fer j. de vries
separate sheet with the NASS bulletin vol.4 nr. 2. He mentions the year 1672) And in the Netherlands we have Christian Huyghens. You see, every country its own inventor . I point to a source by Christopher St.J.H. Daniel, chairman of the BSS. Tables of the Equation of Time, for the

equation of time

1997-07-11 Thread Cornec Jean-paul cnet-lab-smr-tcm (Tel 96051274)
I have recently discovered the newsgroup about sundials. Here is a text in complement of the last message of C. Lusby-Taylor about the equation of time. Hoping it will contribute to the debate. As for myself I am of course interested in sundials from all points of view. I

Re: the discovery of the equation of time

1997-07-10 Thread Chris Lusby-taylor
Before the pendulum, clocks were not accurate enough to compete with a sundial, and there was little point in trying to set a clock or watch to other than solar time, but the difference was certainly known. Tables of the equation were published and sometimes engraved on sundials or pasted inside t

Re: Some comments on the equation of time and the analemma

1997-07-08 Thread Arthur Carlson TOK
ers had a time piece available much more accurate than a water clock or a mechanical clock: the motion of the stars. As I tried to make clear before, it is not necessary to decide whether the sun or the stars move more regularly in order to discover the equation of time. The only tricky part is obse

Some comments on the equation of time and the analemma

1997-07-07 Thread Mike Mickelson
is technically known as the "equation of time."" "It is characteristic for the high level of hellenistic astronomy that a correct determination of this correction was achieved. We do not know to whom it is due this important step in the theory of time reckoning: in the sources

Re: the discovery of the equation of time

1997-07-07 Thread Luke Coletti
Arthur, Observing the length of the sidereal day (a stars transit) and comparing it to the length of the solar day (the suns transit) seems to me a very good suggestion for a possible method employed. If these daily differences were measured and then summed an equation of time connecting

the discovery of the equation of time

1997-07-03 Thread Arthur Carlson TOK
Concerning the question of when the analemma, which I interpret to be equivalent to the equation of time, was discovered and how: We think of the equation of time as expressing the relationship between the position of the sun and "real time", but there is also a direct astronomical inte

Equation of time EoT

1997-01-09 Thread fer j. de vries
Dear all, In a message to Gianni Ferrari I wrote about the change in the definition for EoT by the IAU in 1930. But I made typing errors. The formal definition was EoT = TM - TA. In 1930 changed into EoT = TA - TM. TM is mean time TA is local time. Sorry for my errors. Fer.

Re: Equation of Time

1997-01-06 Thread Andrew Pettit
At 17:57 03/01/97 +0100, Gianni Ferrari wrote: >Warren Thorn wrote : > >> With the help of the basic programs from Sky & Telescope, I have >> worked on the question of how many full moons will fall on Christmas >> in the next 100 years. (3-2015,2072,2091) Someone at church said >> we would not ha

Re: equation of time

1997-01-04 Thread Luke Coletti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks for the informative GIF which compares the EOT for 1902 and 2098. > > Two questions: > > 1. What drawing program did you use to make the GIF. I've been wanting to > draw a nice EOT graph for use on my website, but the only drawing program I > have requires m

Re: Equation of Time

1997-01-04 Thread Gianni Ferrari
Warren Thorn wrote : > With the help of the basic programs from Sky & Telescope, I have > worked on the question of how many full moons will fall on Christmas > in the next 100 years. (3-2015,2072,2091) Someone at church said > we would not have a full moon on Christmas for over 100 years---I >

Re: equation of time

1997-01-03 Thread fer j. de vries
Ross McCluney wrote: . > EOT = .170 sin (4*pi*(J - 80)/373) - .129 sin (2*pi*(J - 8).355) > > where the arguments of the sine functions are in radians and J is the > number of days since December 31, and EOT is given in decimals hours. > . Dear Ross, I received your formula for the EoT

Re: Equation of time

1997-01-01 Thread Ron Anthony
Prof Gregorio, >>0-360 degrees (and NOT 0-3600 degrees); it was probably a misunderstanding, due to e-mail transmission.<< Yes, that was the problem. I used Charles Gann's copy of the formula. For July 27, 1980 at 12:00 I got -6m 27.6s. This compares to -6m 25.4s I got using the longer fo

Re: Holey Calendar, Dateman! Was: Equation of time

1997-01-01 Thread Thibaud Taudin Chabot
At 15:55 30-12-96 -0800, you wrote: >Well, I started to join in in the EoT calculation fun, >following Francois Blateyron's original question. I began >by implementing his equations in a spreadsheet, as he did. >I used Microsoft Excel... > >With Robert Sinnott's correction to the longitude of per

Re: Equation of time

1997-01-01 Thread Paolo GREGORIO
Ron Anthony wrote: > > Prof Gregorio, > > >> As far as the Equation of Time is concerned, the last > edition of the Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical > Almanac reports (pag. 484) the following algorithm:<< > > Thank you for the algorithm. No matte

Re: Equation of time

1997-01-01 Thread Paolo GREGORIO
François BLATEYRON wrote: > > Hi dear gnomonists... > > Can someone help me with the calculation of the equation of time ? Dear François, I beg your pardon for my delay, but I have been very busy in the last hours, since I have been shovelling snow away.. I agree with the Roge

Re: Equation of Time

1997-01-01 Thread diallist
>Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 05:11:37 -0500 >To: "Gianni Ferrari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Equation of Time > >At 07:25 PM 12/31/96 +0100, you wrote: > >>EoT= E0+E1*cos(wt+F1) + E2*cos(2wt+F2) +.. + E6*cos(6wt+F6) >>

Re: equation of time

1997-01-01 Thread diallist
At 07:35 PM 12/31/96 +0100, you wrote: >Dear gnomonists, > >In this e-mail I have attached a gif-picture of the curve of the >equation of time for two years, 1902 and 2098. >They are calculated with the formula ( for the mentioned years) I >mentioned in my earlier e-mail this

Re: Equation of Time

1996-12-31 Thread Warren Thom
Gianni Ferrari wrote: > > Dear friends, > I've followed with much interest the several > messages arrived in last days on EoT calculation. I too, find this discussion interesting. It also requires us to ask "What is significant?" in effects on time measurement. So far we have ce

Equation of Time

1996-12-31 Thread Ron Anthony
Prof Gregorio, >> As far as the Equation of Time is concerned, the last edition of the Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac reports (pag. 484) the following algorithm:<< Thank you for the algorithm. No matter how hard I try I cannot make the algorithm yield the cor

equation of time

1996-12-31 Thread fer j. de vries
Dear gnomonists, In this e-mail I have attached a gif-picture of the curve of the equation of time for two years, 1902 and 2098. They are calculated with the formula ( for the mentioned years) I mentioned in my earlier e-mail this day. You see the ( small) change in the curve in a periode of

Equation of Time

1996-12-31 Thread Gianni Ferrari
Dear friends, I've followed with much interest the several messages arrived in last days on EoT calculation. I've nothing to add to what the authors have written but I will note that the long calculation described not always are useful if we wont only design a sundial. The Sun

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