Re: Sybil Attacks

[Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide]

Dear Isaac,

the protections against Sybil attacks are mostly the friend-to-friend
mode (sybil nodes cannot get connections without social engineering) and
the mitigation against the pitch black attack.

https://www.hyphanet.org/freenet-build-1492-released-video-diagnostics-pitch-black-plugins.html

On opennet, the seednodes give some limited protection, because they
rate-limit new nodes.

There are tests to spin up private Hyphanet networks on which you can
safely test attacks. Check the tests in
https://github.com/hyphanet/fred/tree/next/src/freenet/node/simulator

If you want to expand this, you could check whether you can recover and
complete the faster simulations project:
https://github.com/hyphanet/fred/pull/576
This is mainly blocked by being too big to be reviewed effectively and
not being completed because the new employer of its dev prohibited doing
copyleft work.
It should enable spinning up networks of hundreds to thousands of real
nodes for testing.

Best wishes,
Arne


Isaac W  writes:

> Also, I do not know of any currently employed protections against Sybil 
> attacks on Hyphanet. If there are any, these may significantly increase
> the cost of executing one.
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 10:31 AM Isaac W  wrote:
>
>  To whom it may concern,
>
>  It seems that the cost of launching a successful Sybil attack on Hyphanet is 
> alarmingly low. I am wondering if it would be helpful to launch
>  bug bounties and fixes to address this issue.
>
>  Unfortunately, white hat hacking a P2P network is difficult as it is 
> practically impossible to obtain permission from the entire community.
>  However, I believe these efforts, along with bug fixes would benefit the 
> massive vulnerability Freenet appears to possess.
>
>  Thank you.
>
>  Sincerely,
>  Isaac Weingrad

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Re: Is the project still alive?

[Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide]

Marek Küthe  writes:

> Which one exactly? The redirect for
> https://www.freenetproject.org/freenet-renamed-to-hyphanet.html works
> for me.

That’s the one I meant. Thank you for testing!

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Re: Is the project still alive?

[Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide]

Marek Küthe  writes:
> Γιώργος Κωστόπουλος  wrote:
>> Is Freenet (the classic version (fred?)) still alive?
>> Will it continue, to receive updates?
>> 
>> PS. I'm not interested in Hyphanet. I'm asking only for the classic version.

As an aside: whoever told you the wording "classic version" mislead you.
Freenet Classic is a fork of Freenet 0.5 which has been out of operation
for more than a decade.

Hyphanet is the original Freenet — it has continuity in code and
concepts since 1999. There is no fork of it that would be simlilar to a
Freenet Classic, and there is no other project that fulfills its
use-cases.

For context about the naming, please see the discussion thread[1] or the
announcement on the website[2][3] and the links in it:

[1]: https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/index.html#55262
[2]: https://www.freenetproject.org/freenet-renamed-to-hyphanet.html
[3]: https://www.hyphanet.org/freenet-renamed-to-hyphanet.html

(the second website link in case the redirect should fail — if it does
 fail, please write that here)

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Re: Is the project still alive?

[Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide]

Marek Küthe  writes:

> [[PGP Signed Part:Good signature from 7E869146699108C7 Marek Küthe 
>  (trust undefined) created at 2023-09-06T10:27:44+0200 using 
> RSA  ]]
> The classic version of Freenet was unfortunately renamed Hyphanet. I
> had thought someone had hacked Freenet's website and had therefore
> asked on the Mailling list some time ago.
> https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55262.html
> https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55371.html

Does the redirect work for you now?

> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 09:14:42 +0300
> Γιώργος Κωστόπουλος  wrote:
>
>> Is Freenet (the classic version (fred?)) still alive?
>> Will it continue, to receive updates?

Yes, it is still receiving updates. We merged 21 pull requests the past
week (after getting some blockers out of the way and not having to waste
more time on renaming stuff) and are progressing on our Roadmap.

We also finally have a debian package that gets built automatically —
once that’s reviewed, one of the two blockers for version 0.8 is finally
out of the way — we’ve been dilligently hacking away at resolving
release-blockers for the past years and finally have these down to 2,
and for both a solution is close:
https://github.com/hyphanet/wiki/wiki/Roadmap

You can see much (but not all) of the current work on
https://github.com/hyphanet/fred/pulls

Missing there is for example the awesome design work by ChampiZen who
ported the Zen Garden design to Sharesite and then built the Night
Garden from it. This will make Sharesites beautiful by default — also
beautiful by todays design standards, without compromising on
simplicity.

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Re: Legal Help

[Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide]

Marek Küthe  writes:

> [[PGP Signed Part:Good signature from 7E869146699108C7 Marek Küthe 
>  (trust undefined) created at 2023-04-11T11:05:34+0200 using 
> RSA  ]]
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 23:16:51 +0200
> Sylvain Rousselot  wrote:
>
>> Mailing list abandoned several years ago. Open a ticket at 
>
> For several years?

The support list yes. Though "abandoned" means that no one discussed there.

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Re: Cannot install freenet

[Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide]

Dear A C,

You seem to be subscribed to the support-list of Freenet.

Please check whether you are subscribed:
https://ml.freenetproject.org/v1/

Best wishes,
Arne

A C  writes:

> Dear Sr,
>
> I'm afraid that you mistakenly took me for a support technician from this
> "freenet" organization. I am not associated with this company and I am not
> responsible for the support of this software.
> I suggest that you review the email address provided, as this is certainly
> a mistake, which caused you to send an email to me.
>
> be well
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 3:25 AM Mike  wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>>
>> Trying to install 1483/1486/1487. I deleted my old version of Freenet,
>> cleaned the registry using CCleaner. I used Regedit to purge all traces of
>> Freenet from the computer
>>
>> No matter what I do, my computer insists Freenet is already installed. Pic
>> related.
>>
>> Anyone know what to do here? Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>>


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Re: freenet activity

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

PS: The next step is then to change the host to 127.x.y.z with x y and z
random numbers between 1 and 255, and to change the port to a random
number between 5001 and 32767.

Best wishes,
Arne

Arne Babenhauserheide  writes:

> Hi Momo, Hi Dennis,
>
> You can use Freenet as a real proxy. See
>
> http://127.0.0.1:/USK@sUm3oJISSEU4pl2Is9qa1eRoCLyz6r2LPkEqlXc3~oc,yBEbf-IJrcB8Pe~gAd53DEEHgbugUkFSHtzzLqnYlbs,AQACAAE/random_babcom/398/#UseFreenetasproxysecureagainstspyingattacks
> and
> http://127.0.0.1:/USK@sUm3oJISSEU4pl2Is9qa1eRoCLyz6r2LPkEqlXc3~oc,yBEbf-IJrcB8Pe~gAd53DEEHgbugUkFSHtzzLqnYlbs,AQACAAE/random_babcom/398/#Betterproxyingfreenetbrowserscript
>
> Best wishes,
> Arne
>
>
> Dennis Nezic  writes:
>
>> Do you mean preventing other people from accessing the default
>> localhost:? And by that, I guess you mean other local users on your
>> computer?
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:14:13 +0100, Momo Roberts wrote:
>>> Hi there.
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to secure the freenet Page except using the IP range ?
>>> 
>>> greetz
>>> 
>>> Momo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 27.11.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Arne Babenhauserheide:
>>> > Hi Jelbert,
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Jelbert Holtrop  writes:
>>> > 
>>> >> I decided to install freenet again. 
>>> >> An article in the newspaper inspired me to look at non oppressed
>>> >> internet solutions. When I look at Enzo’s index I see it has been
>>> >> generated on June 20, 2016, that is a long time ago. Is freenet
>>> >> dead? If so are there other developments of darknet systems?
>>> >> Or if freenet is not dead where did evryone go?
>>> > 
>>> > Freenet is not dead, but Enzo’s index no longer updates.
>>> > 
>>> > Have a look at some of the other Indexes.
>>> > 
>>> > You’ll also find activity in FMS and Sone.
>>> > 
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> > Arne
>>> > 
>>> 


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Re: freenet activity

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Momo, Hi Dennis,

You can use Freenet as a real proxy. See

http://127.0.0.1:/USK@sUm3oJISSEU4pl2Is9qa1eRoCLyz6r2LPkEqlXc3~oc,yBEbf-IJrcB8Pe~gAd53DEEHgbugUkFSHtzzLqnYlbs,AQACAAE/random_babcom/398/#UseFreenetasproxysecureagainstspyingattacks
and
http://127.0.0.1:/USK@sUm3oJISSEU4pl2Is9qa1eRoCLyz6r2LPkEqlXc3~oc,yBEbf-IJrcB8Pe~gAd53DEEHgbugUkFSHtzzLqnYlbs,AQACAAE/random_babcom/398/#Betterproxyingfreenetbrowserscript

Best wishes,
Arne


Dennis Nezic  writes:

> Do you mean preventing other people from accessing the default
> localhost:? And by that, I guess you mean other local users on your
> computer?
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:14:13 +0100, Momo Roberts wrote:
>> Hi there.
>> 
>> Is there a way to secure the freenet Page except using the IP range ?
>> 
>> greetz
>> 
>> Momo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 27.11.2019 um 14:14 schrieb Arne Babenhauserheide:
>> > Hi Jelbert,
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Jelbert Holtrop  writes:
>> > 
>> >> I decided to install freenet again. 
>> >> An article in the newspaper inspired me to look at non oppressed
>> >> internet solutions. When I look at Enzo’s index I see it has been
>> >> generated on June 20, 2016, that is a long time ago. Is freenet
>> >> dead? If so are there other developments of darknet systems?
>> >> Or if freenet is not dead where did evryone go?
>> > 
>> > Freenet is not dead, but Enzo’s index no longer updates.
>> > 
>> > Have a look at some of the other Indexes.
>> > 
>> > You’ll also find activity in FMS and Sone.
>> > 
>> > Best wishes,
>> > Arne
>> > 
>> 


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Re: freenet activity

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Jelbert,


Jelbert Holtrop  writes:

> I decided to install freenet again. 
> An article in the newspaper inspired me to look at non oppressed internet 
> solutions.
> When I look at Enzo’s index I see it has been generated on June 20, 2016, 
> that is a long time ago.
> Is freenet dead?
> If so are there other developments of darknet systems?
> Or if freenet is not dead where did evryone go?

Freenet is not dead, but Enzo’s index no longer updates.

Have a look at some of the other Indexes.

You’ll also find activity in FMS and Sone.

Best wishes,
Arne

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Re: Fwd: Re: Reproduced: Re: FN cannot start

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

How many downloads do you have? More than 20 or so?

Krzysztof  writes:

> Morover, I had to delete all client* files for node to start.
>
> Regards
> Krzysztof
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  Re: Reproduced: Re: FN cannot start
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:11:33 +0200
> From: Krzysztof 
> To:   Support 
>
>
>
> Reproduced once more. Any clues?
>
> It definitely has nothing to do with JRE. Both Open and Sun on Linux
> Debian 64b fail after some time.
>
> Regards
> Krzysztof
>
> On 6/13/19 5:19 PM, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>> Oh, interesting! Is this a symptom of a malformed client.dat.crypt?
>> If you restore the file, does it fail in the same way again?
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:36 AM, Krzysztof > <mailto:k...@limes.com.pl>> wrote:
>>> No, I don't.
>>>
>>> What I discovered so far, after deleting file 'client.dat.crypt', the
>>> node started normally. Of course, all downloads were gone.
>>>
>>> Maybe there is a way to test or repair this file?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Krzysztof
>>>
>>> On 6/13/19 12:29 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>>> > My node now also stopped starting.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Question to Krzysztof: Do you have a darknet connection?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > When run via ./run.sh console, this is the last line I see before
>>> > startup fails:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > jvm 2 | Deleted 0 of 0 temporary files (0 non-temp files in temp
>>> directory) in 0s
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This is what I should see:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > jvm 1 | Resumed 4 requests ...
>>> > jvm 1 | Initializing USK Manager
>>> > jvm 1 | Loading cache of request statuses...
>>> > jvm 1 | Initializing Node Updater
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Disabling all plugins does not make a difference.
>>> > Starting without the wrapper does not make a difference either.
>>> > Moving tmp away does not make a difference, either.
>>> > Moving datastore to datastore.broken does not make a difference.
>>> > Moving persistent-temp to persistent-temp.broken only lets it show one
>>> > more error:
>>> > jvm 1 | Unable to resume request
>>> > freenet.clients.fcp.ClientGet@45d042f9 after loading it.
>>> >
>>> > So it looks like there is some broken state which blocks startup.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > logs/freenet-latest.log says
>>> >
>>> > Jun 13, 2019 09:18:00:317 (freenet.io.AddressTracker,
>>> WrapperListener_start_runner, WARNING): Failed to load from disk
>>> for port : freenet.node.FSParseException: Unable to load
>>> address tracker table, assuming an unclean shutdown: Last ID was
>>>  but stored 
>>> > freenet.node.FSParseException: Unable to load address tracker
>>> table, assuming an unclean shutdown: Last ID was  but stored
>>> 
>>> > at freenet.io.AddressTracker.(AddressTracker.java:115)
>>> > at freenet.io.AddressTracker.create(AddressTracker.java:84)
>>> > at freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler.(UdpSocketHandler.java:161)
>>> > at freenet.node.NodeCrypto.(NodeCrypto.java:121)
>>> > at freenet.node.Node.(Node.java:1489)
>>> > at freenet.node.NodeStarter.start(NodeStarter.java:194)
>>> > at
>>> org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager$11.run(WrapperManager.java:4048)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I took an application snapshot with jvisualvm: Here’s the threaddump
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Full thread dump OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (25.191-b12 mixed mode):
>>> >
>>> > "Pooled thread awaiting work @1 for prio 5" #42 daemon prio=5
>>> os_prio=0 tid=0x7f68005f7000 nid=0x27ae in Object.wait()
>>> [0x7f681dc9e000]
>>> > java.lang.Thread.State: TIMED_WAITING (on object monitor)
>>> > at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method)
>>> > - waiting on <0x9d22ff80> (a
>>> freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread)
>>> > at
>>> freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.innerRun(PooledExecutor.java:218)
>>> > - locked <0x9d22ff80> (a
>>> freen

Reproduced: Re: FN cannot start

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

My node now also stopped starting.


Question to Krzysztof: Do you have a darknet connection?


When run via ./run.sh console, this is the last line I see before
startup fails:


jvm 2| Deleted 0 of 0 temporary files (0 non-temp files in temp directory) 
in 0s


This is what I should see:


jvm 1| Resumed 4 requests ...
jvm 1| Initializing USK Manager
jvm 1| Loading cache of request statuses...
jvm 1| Initializing Node Updater


Disabling all plugins does not make a difference.
Starting without the wrapper does not make a difference either.
Moving tmp away does not make a difference, either.
Moving datastore to datastore.broken does not make a difference.
Moving persistent-temp to persistent-temp.broken only lets it show one
more error:
jvm 1| Unable to resume request
freenet.clients.fcp.ClientGet@45d042f9 after loading it.

So it looks like there is some broken state which blocks startup.


logs/freenet-latest.log says

Jun 13, 2019 09:18:00:317 (freenet.io.AddressTracker, 
WrapperListener_start_runner, WARNING): Failed to load from disk for port : 
freenet.node.FSParseException: Unable to load address tracker table, assuming 
an unclean shutdown: Last ID was  but stored 
freenet.node.FSParseException: Unable to load address tracker table, assuming 
an unclean shutdown: Last ID was  but stored 
at freenet.io.AddressTracker.(AddressTracker.java:115)
at freenet.io.AddressTracker.create(AddressTracker.java:84)
at freenet.io.comm.UdpSocketHandler.(UdpSocketHandler.java:161)
at freenet.node.NodeCrypto.(NodeCrypto.java:121)
at freenet.node.Node.(Node.java:1489)
at freenet.node.NodeStarter.start(NodeStarter.java:194)
at 
org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager$11.run(WrapperManager.java:4048)



I took an application snapshot with jvisualvm: Here’s the threaddump


Full thread dump OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (25.191-b12 mixed mode):

"Pooled thread awaiting work @1 for prio 5" #42 daemon prio=5 os_prio=0 
tid=0x7f68005f7000 nid=0x27ae in Object.wait() [0x7f681dc9e000]
   java.lang.Thread.State: TIMED_WAITING (on object monitor)
at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method)
- waiting on <0x9d22ff80> (a 
freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread)
at 
freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.innerRun(PooledExecutor.java:218)
- locked <0x9d22ff80> (a 
freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread)
at 
freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.realRun(PooledExecutor.java:189)
at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:156)

   Locked ownable synchronizers:
- None

"Timer-0" #36 daemon prio=5 os_prio=0 tid=0x7f680009d000 nid=0x27a1 in 
Object.wait() [0x7f681e19f000]
   java.lang.Thread.State: WAITING (on object monitor)
at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method)
- waiting on <0x9cfdf0b0> (a java.util.TaskQueue)
at java.lang.Object.wait(Object.java:502)
at java.util.TimerThread.mainLoop(Timer.java:526)
- locked <0x9cfdf0b0> (a java.util.TaskQueue)
at java.util.TimerThread.run(Timer.java:505)

   Locked ownable synchronizers:
- None

"SimpleToadletServer" #29 daemon prio=5 os_prio=0 tid=0x7f6800844800 
nid=0x2788 waiting on condition [0x7f681e4a]
   java.lang.Thread.State: WAITING (parking)
at sun.misc.Unsafe.park(Native Method)
- parking to wait for  <0x9cfdf740> (a 
java.util.concurrent.locks.AbstractQueuedSynchronizer$ConditionObject)
at java.util.concurrent.locks.LockSupport.park(LockSupport.java:175)
at 
java.util.concurrent.locks.AbstractQueuedSynchronizer$ConditionObject.awaitUninterruptibly(AbstractQueuedSynchronizer.java:1976)
at freenet.io.NetworkInterface.accept(NetworkInterface.java:249)
at 
freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer.run(SimpleToadletServer.java:999)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748)

   Locked ownable synchronizers:
- None

"Network Interface Acceptor for 
ServerSocket[addr=/127.15.9.6,localport=8988](0)" #28 daemon prio=5 os_prio=0 
tid=0x7f6800843000 nid=0x2787 runnable [0x7f681e5a1000]
   java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE
at java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketAccept(Native Method)
at 
java.net.AbstractPlainSocketImpl.accept(AbstractPlainSocketImpl.java:409)
at java.net.ServerSocket.implAccept(ServerSocket.java:545)
at java.net.ServerSocket.accept(ServerSocket.java:513)
at freenet.io.NetworkInterface$Acceptor.run(NetworkInterface.java:389)
at 
freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.innerRun(PooledExecutor.java:249)
at 
freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.realRun(PooledExecutor.java:189)
at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:156)

   Locked ownable synchronizers:
- None

"Plug" #27 prio=10 os_prio=0 tid=0x7f6800172800 nid=0x277f waiting on 

Re: FN cannot start

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Krzysztof  writes:
> No. It didn't help. There is A part of wrapper.log below if you could
> look at it.
>
> STATUS | wrapper  | 2019/06/12 22:47:54 | --> Wrapper Started as Daemon
> STATUS | wrapper  | 2019/06/12 22:47:54 | Java Service Wrapper
> Community Edition 64-bit 3.5.20
> STATUS | wrapper  | 2019/06/12 22:47:54 |   Copyright (C) 1999-2013
> Tanuki Software, Ltd. All Rights Reserved.
> STATUS | wrapper  | 2019/06/12 22:47:54 | http://wrapper.tanukisoftware.com
> STATUS | wrapper  | 2019/06/12 22:47:54 |
> STATUS | wrapper  | 2019/06/12 22:47:55 | Launching a JVM...
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:00 | setpriority() succeeded!
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | BouncyCastle: BC version 1.59
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | SunPKCS11-NSS: null
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | SUN: SUN version 1.8
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | SunJCE: SunJCE version 1.8
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | WrapperManager: Initializing...
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:03 | freenet.jar built with
> freenet-ext.jar Build #29 rv29 running with ext build 29 rv29
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:03 | Creating config from freenet.ini
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:03 | Creating logger...
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:03 | Set interval to 10 and
> multiplier to 1
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:03 |   Starting executor...
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:03 | Finding old log files. New
> log file is /home/.../Freenet/logs/freenet-1484-2019-06-12-22.log.gz
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:03 | Using the NativeThread
> implementation (base nice level is 10)
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | Old log file exists for this
> time period: /home/.../Freenet/logs/freenet-1484-2019-06-12-22.log.gz
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | Renaming to:
> /home/.../Freenet/logs/freenet-1484-2019-06-12-22-2.log.gz
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | Created log files
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | Initializing Node using
> Freenet Build #1484 rbuild01484 and freenet-ext Build #29 rv29 with
> Oracle Corporation JVM version 1.8.0_212 running on amd64 Linux
> 4.9.0-9-amd64
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | Set fproxy max length to
> 2306867 and max length with progress to 57671680 = 57671680
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | Starting FProxy on
> 127.0.0.1,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1:
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | SHA1: using SUN version 1.8
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | MD5: using SUN version 1.8
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | SHA-256: using SUN version 1.8
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | SHA-384: using SUN version 1.8
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:04 | SHA-512: using SUN version 1.8
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:01 | AES/CTR/NOPADDING (SunJCE
> version 1.8): 700373ns
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:01 | AES/CTR/NOPADDING (BC
> version 1.59): 2018025ns
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:01 | Using JCA cipher provider:
> SunJCE version 1.8
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:01 | Not enough entropy available.
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:01 | Trying to gather entropy
> (randomness) by reading the disk...
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:01 | You should consider
> installing a better random number generator e.g. haveged.
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:01 | Trying to read master keys file...
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:01 | Read old master keys file
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | FNP port created on 0.0.0.0:23499
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | Testnet mode DISABLED. You
> may have some level of anonymity. :)
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | Note that this version of
> Freenet is still a very early alpha, and may well have numerous bugs
> and design flaws.
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | In particular: YOU ARE WIDE
> OPEN TO YOUR IMMEDIATE PEERS! They can eavesdrop on your requests with
> relatively little difficulty at present (correlation attacks etc).
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | Creating PeerManager
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | Memory is 455MB
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:02 | Setting standard 500 thread
> limit. This should be enough for most nodes but more memory is usually
> a good thing.
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:48:03 | Deleted 0 of 0 temporary
> files (0 non-temp files in temp directory) in 0s

I don’t see here why it stops. At this point the wrapper has
successfully started Freenet and passed control over to Freenet itself.

Do you see something suspicious in logs/freenet-latest.log?

Best wishes,
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> STATUS | wrapper  | 2019/06/12 22:50:46 | Anchor file
> deleted. Shutting down.
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:50:46 | Shutting down...
> INFO   | jvm 1| 2019/06/12 22:50:46 | Stopping database
> jobs...Stopping FEC decode threads...
> INFO   | jvm 1  

Re: Preventing auto-start on Linux

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Austin,

> I've installed Freenet successfully on a Linux (Ubuntu-derived) system, and 
> it starts up automatically when the system starts.  How can I prevent that?  
> I would prefer to start it manually.

Freenet installs a startup rule in your crontab. You should see it with


crontab -e


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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer writes:

> Robert John Morton (2017-02-20 08:19:36 -0300) wrote:
>
>> Dear CENO team:
>> 
>> An extremely worth-while and timely project. I wish you well.
>> 
>> I think that the deliberate exclusion of sites from popular search engine
>> listings is one of the worst forms of censorship on the Web. Perhaps the
>> only way to combat this is to create a search engine that has no commercial
>> or political motives behind it: an "open source" search engine if you like.
>> But it would have to be made popular and that's the difficult part.

You could use YaCy for that: http://www.yacy.net

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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Ivan,

Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer writes:
> Hi Arne, thanks for the insights and the links.  Please note that the
> current CENO project is actually using Freenet as a signalling and
> storage backend!`:)`

It’s great to know that this is still the case!

>> (I submitted a project plan for improving this to NLnet which shows what
>>  would have to be done for an uncensorable and attack resistant
>>  news-network. It got into the short-list but wasn’t selected for
>>  funding: http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/news-of-the-day )
>
> That looks like a very interesting system!  CENO already includes some
> RSS feeds from selected sites, I'm not sure how this would aling with
> the particular requirement (we were focusing more in web sites), but
> it's without doubt an innovative approach.  Thanks for sharing it!

I’d have liked to finish it faster, but that requires about 10k€ to
finance the required WoT speedups (WoT interaction is what currently
slows down the system the most).

>> >   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.
>> 
>> Just ask someone to run
>> 
>> copyweb -d  ; freesitemgr add 
>> 
>> Or integrate that functionality into a program. You might want to use
>> beautifulsoup to clean up the code for the Freenet content filter, i.e.:
>> http://127.0.0.1:/freenet:USK@0iU87PXyodL2nm6kCpmYntsteViIbMwlJE~wlqIVvZ0,nenxGvjXDElX5RIZxMvwSnOtRzUKJYjoXEDgkhY6Ljw,AQACAAE/freenetproject-mirror/491/update.sh?type=text/plain
>
> CENO currently uses [bundler](https://github.com/equalitie/bundler),
> which does a similar task.  Thanks for the hints!

Do I remember correctly that the bundler replicates the site as is —
with all its dangers to privacy? (Freenet provides heavy whitelist
filtering to protect its users from uploaded content).

>> >   3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is possible.
>> 
>> That’s a hard one. You’d need to remodel the web apps to use Freenet as
>> backend instead of the clearnet.
>> 
>> I do not think that it is possible at all to provide anything which uses
>> Javascript and at the same time preserve the anonymity of your users.
>
> Yeah, that's a hard one, that's why we may probably end up combining
> several tools.

You could even go as far as simply re-developing popular tools on top of
Freenet as locally running tools. That might turn out to be easier than
trying to secure javascript.

> Wow, these a very useful links, thanks!

We should communicate more often.

>> […] PS: I’m only a few more hours away from being able to do proper
>> Freenet releases, so we can finally deploy improvements to the
>> freenet core again.
>
> Cool, good luck with that, and thanks again for the very informative
> reply!

Good luck to you, too! And Happy Hacking!
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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Arne Babenhauserheide  writes:

> Hi Ivan, Dear eQualit.ie Hackers,
>
> Aside from the web-apps part, Freenet can already provide everything you
> asked for.
>
> Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer  writes:
>>   1. Content is available under censorship conditions, ideally even
>>  after connection to the Internet has been completely cut for a
>>  whole region.
>
> If you still have IP-based connections to people inside the region, this
> is the case, if you run a specialized darknet within that region (so
> content only gets replicated within the regional net).
>
> There are already tools to make automatic Freenet connections. Talk to
> Michael Grube (thesnark).
>
> For auto-spawning Freenet nodes when an application is started, see
> https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/freenet3/spawn.py
>
> For communication with sub-5-minute latency from external programs, see
> https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/babcom.py
>
> (I submitted a project plan for improving this to NLnet which shows what
>  would have to be done for an uncensorable and attack resistant
>  news-network. It got into the short-list but wasn’t selected for
>  funding: http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/news-of-the-day )
>
>>   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.
>
> Just ask someone to run
> PS: I’m only a few more hours away from being able to do proper Freenet
> releases, so we can finally deploy improvements to the freenet core
> again.

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Re: [freenet-support] Building a new censorship circumvention tool: what do we need to know?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Ivan, Dear eQualit.ie Hackers,

Aside from the web-apps part, Freenet can already provide everything you
asked for.

Ivan Vilata-i-Balaguer  writes:
>   1. Content is available under censorship conditions, ideally even
>  after connection to the Internet has been completely cut for a
>  whole region.

If you still have IP-based connections to people inside the region, this
is the case, if you run a specialized darknet within that region (so
content only gets replicated within the regional net).

There are already tools to make automatic Freenet connections. Talk to
Michael Grube (thesnark).

For auto-spawning Freenet nodes when an application is started, see
https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/freenet3/spawn.py

For communication with sub-5-minute latency from external programs, see
https://github.com/ArneBab/lib-pyFreenet-staging/blob/py3/babcom.py

(I submitted a project plan for improving this to NLnet which shows what
 would have to be done for an uncensorable and attack resistant
 news-network. It got into the short-list but wasn’t selected for
 funding: http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/news-of-the-day )

>   2. Censored content is made available within a reasonable time.

Just ask someone to run

copyweb -d  ; freesitemgr add 

Or integrate that functionality into a program. You might want to use
beautifulsoup to clean up the code for the Freenet content filter, i.e.:
http://127.0.0.1:/freenet:USK@0iU87PXyodL2nm6kCpmYntsteViIbMwlJE~wlqIVvZ0,nenxGvjXDElX5RIZxMvwSnOtRzUKJYjoXEDgkhY6Ljw,AQACAAE/freenetproject-mirror/491/update.sh?type=text/plain

>   3. Access to censored dynamic content (i.e. web apps) is possible.

That’s a hard one. You’d need to remodel the web apps to use Freenet as
backend instead of the clearnet.

I do not think that it is possible at all to provide anything which uses
Javascript and at the same time preserve the anonymity of your users.

>   4. The system benefits from the user's participation, and is resistant
>  to participants dropping off and to rogue nodes in the hands of the
>  censor.

Resilient yes, for absolute resistance, you need to replicate
everything, which limits the amount of data you can provide.

>   5. Users of the system are anonymous to someone observing their
>  traffic, even if that someone is a participant in the system.

Jepp. A weak yes for automatic connections, a strong yes, if they
connect to people they know.

>   6. Users' devices don't reveal the content that they or other users
>  have accessed.

Jepp (as long as you use a separate browser in incognito mode).

>   7. The system is amenable to privacy-preserving analytics to check its
>  impact.

Jepp.

i.e. http://asksteved.com/stats/ — though it’s currently in sleep mode,
there’s a new site for that in Freenet: 
http://127.0.0.1:/USK@2zwBwyJeZnkbqH0N7WZXp6BQqR1Ys85rkthOFvfXOts,HIouq2elJyNt9VIsFfYbYmtvinOEeeY3LAAKVUqiSXo,AQACAAE/YAFS/175/

> We know that we'll probably need a combination of several tools to
> achieve these properties, so we're not looking for a silver bullet but
> rather some advice and suggestions from you that may help us move in the
> right direction.  We will be dedicating at least 2 years solid
> development to a chosen infrastructure design and hope to contribute to
> existing models, as part of our (likely hybrid) appraoch to the
> eventuating infrastructure.

Nice!

Best wishes,
Arne

PS: I’m only a few more hours away from being able to do proper Freenet
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Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions

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Amuza  writes:

> On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>> On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote:
>>> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?
>> Yes, and it depends what you mean.
>
> I mean, something like this:
> Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet
> friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara
> (who is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online.
> Then Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's
> message. Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically
> forwarded the message without being able to read it.

If you use freemail (email over Freenet), then yes: The data is uploaded
in encrypted form into Freenet and only Caroline can decrypt it. Barbara
does not even need to be a direct friend of the two: It can be any other
freenet node.

This is the generalized case of what you describe and powers most of the
pseudonymous communication in Freenet.

>>> If so, how does it work?
>> Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on
>> the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the
>> message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is
>> very poor but it does function.
>>
>> Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that.
>> [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files.
>>
>
> I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of
> asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they?

Freemail does the private communication.
Sone does Social-network-style communication with pseudonyms.
FLIP implements chat with an IRC interface.

> It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet.
>
> Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult:
>
> In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other
> more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox,
> IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say
> some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet?

For zeronet there’s an answer by Chris Double. Scroll down to Conclusion
for a comparison:
https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/01/15/decentralized-websites-with-zeronet.html

A note on IPFS and Freenet is available in his article about hosting
websites in Freenet (though mainly focused on hosting with Freenet):
https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/09/14/using-freenet-for-static-websites.html

For a comparison of Freenet with several other tools, see
http://www.draketo.de/proj/freenet-funding/#sec-9

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Re: [freenet-support] Question

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Czery Swizier writes:
> Anyone can store anything onto the network.
> You do not know what is stored on your particular node since the data is
> encrypted and distributed.

And just as important: Files are encrypted and then split into small
chunks of 32KiB. These chunks cannot be decrypted by themselves. You
need the key for the file (which conveniently is just the link used to
access them).

So what’s on your disk are just small chunks of white noise which are
totally useless without the key. They cannot even be correlated to a
specific link without having the link in the first place.

Essentially your computer acts as part of a distributed caching proxy
server which cannot know what it caches. That’s how "the cloud" *should*
work (but typically does not).

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet node on FreeBSD

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Ann O'Nymous writes:

> Serp2006:
>> Spam detection software, running on the system "freenetproject.org",
>> has identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original
>> message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
>> similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
>> the administrator of that system for details.
>> 
>> Content preview:  Hello everyone, can someone help me with better 
>> understanding
>>of setup of the node in the freebsd environment? I have a Nas4Free 
>> installed
>>on my home server, with ability to create jails. I looked through wiki, 
>> but
>>part related to the headless freebsd installation not very detailed. 
>> Appreciate
>>any help/ more detailed guide. Thanks in advance! [...] 
>
> That's a rather rude way to handle a question! And hating on Protonmail?

This was an automated email, so no one wanted to be rude. Spam is a
reality and spam filters sometimes get the wrong message. That’s not 
intentional.

To get support, please tell us what doesn’t work.

For a headless install try

java -jar new_installer_offline.jar -console

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Re: [freenet-support] Access to Dark net

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Dear Karen,

If I understand your question correctly, you want to access parts of the
web you cannot access without Freenet.

To access those parts, just run Freenet and direct your browser to
http://127.0.0.1:

At that address Freenet provides you a local webserver which gives you
access to the part of the dark web which is served by Freenet.

Best wishes,
Arne

Karen Lajoie writes:

> Hello - I downloaded your Freenet with Java software as it said on your 
> website that you could access the dark web in order to surf anonymously. I 
> followed the directions to set everything up but it only allows me to browse 
> on Safari, Explorer etc…., it gives no direction on how to access the dark 
> net. Could you provide some direction on how I use your product to get to the 
> dark web?
>
> Thank you
> Karen
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Re: [freenet-support] Anonymity of browsing without downloading

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Dear Durran,

There should not be anything which can be clearly traced to your usage,
as long as you use at least "low security" (not None!). Forensic
analysis might still reveal stuff, however, for example from browsers
leaking memory into swap or disobeying caching policies even in
incognito mode, or from not completely deleted files.

To be more secure, encrypt your disk (then deletions work more
securely).

There will be encrypted fragments of many different kinds of files on
your computer, but these do not need to correspond to files you
requested yourself.

Best wishes,
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> Spam detection software, running on the system "freenetproject.org",
> has identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original
> message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
> similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
> the administrator of that system for details.
>
> Content preview:  Hello, If I browse freenet sites without downloading any 
> content,
>while using incognito mode, will there be anything incriminating on my 
> computer?
>Also, same scenario but what if i fully delete and uninstall freenet after
>each browsing session? [...] 
>
> Content analysis details:   (5.5 points, 5.0 required)
>
>  pts rule name  description
>  -- --
>  2.0 FREENET_FROM_BACKUPMX  Received from the backup-MX server
>  0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM  Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail 
> provider
> (zep_rocks[at]hotmail.com)
>  0.8 BAYES_50   BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60%
> [score: 0.5502]
>  0.0 HTML_MESSAGE   BODY: HTML included in message
> -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK 
> signature
>  0.1 DKIM_SIGNEDMessage has a DKIM or DK signature, not 
> necessarily valid
> -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU  Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from 
> author's
> domain
>  0.8 RDNS_NONE  Delivered to internal network by a host with no 
> rDNS
>  2.0 FREENET_LOC_SHORT  Contains short body and URI
>
> The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to
> open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus,
> or confirm that your address can receive spam.  If you wish to view
> it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.
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Re: [freenet-support] unable to install fnet1474

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Hi Steven,

Can you give us some additional information?

And maybe check whether you can find an answer in the knowledge base?
https://freenetproject.tenderapp.com/kb

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Re: [freenet-support] Minds of home user

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Nemo,

Thank you for writing.

Captain Nemo writes:

> 1. Practically, all  users have browser Firefox 64bit. Your soft, Freenet
> installer, is working only with browsers 32bit, and with Java 32bit. In a
> result, its a useless.

Freenet works flawlessly with a 64 bit browser.

It brings its own Java version.

> 2. Freenet can have a price. Maybe, 12 $ in year. Result? You will have a
> 1200 $, and more. Its not a big price, today.

Please donate! https://freenetproject.org/donate.html#donate

Every donation helps us improve Freenet.

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Re: [freenet-support] regarding publishing a website

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Bert Massop writes:

> I would say that Freenet is not suited to your use case. Let me
> provide you with some basic understanding of how Freenet works.
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Austin Bunton  wrote:
>> I'd like to migrate the structure and content of my current business website
>> over to the Freenet.  What are the steps of this process, would I have a
>> different web address if I want to maintain the same domain name,
>
> Websites (freesites) on Freenet can only be accessed by those using
> Freenet themselves, and are not accessible from the "normal" internet
> without installing additional software.

An exception to this are websites which access the content inside
Freenet and provide it to the user. There are currently two examples of
this:

- bluishcoder.co.nz, a website backed by Freenet:
  https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/09/14/using-freenet-for-static-websites.html
- a generic in-proxy, allowing access to some sites in Freenet:
  http://d6.gnutella2.info/freenet/

The first example means that even if your domain name should be
unavailable for any reason, people can keep accessing your website over
Freenet. For example when you run Freenet, the bluishcoder-site is also
available via the link

http://127.0.0.1:/USK@1ORdIvjL2H1bZblJcP8hu2LjjKtVB-rVzp8mLty~5N4,8hL85otZBbq0geDsSKkBK4sKESL2SrNVecFZz9NxGVQ,AQACAAE/bluishcoder/-28/

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Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Anonymous Remailer (austria) writes:

> On 11-May-16 8:27 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
>>
>> Anonymous writes:
> (all previous text cut)
>
> Okay, you convinced me of how Darknet could add to my security. I 
> think I understand though I'm not sure.

I’m glad to hear that!

> Yet the practical problem for me stays the same, although I now 
> would like to find a darknet peer, I would not know how.
> Not nice for me to write but fact, I got no close friends at all. 
> Would not want to ask family as they'd understand nothing of this 
> even when one has been an IT worker all his life. I could explain 
> the technics but he would understand nothing of why Freenet, 
> anonymity, strong encryption is needed.
> To trust a coworker with the fact I run a FN node, well, I don't 
> dare that either. Only one of them /might/ understand, but I don't 
> want to try.

I tried it for years. People only started to connect when I realized
that messages between darknet friends are about the only truly
confidential communication among friends we get in the internet right
now.


See http://www.draketo.de/english/freenet/connect-speak-freely


There are three dimensions to the communication we know from the analog
world:

- Confidential
- Official
- Pseudonymous

Confidential communication reaches only a small group of people. You can
truly speak your mind, but only with trusted friends or chance
acquaintances (like people you meet in the train)..

Official communication requires self-censorship with external control.

Pseudonymous communication requires an intermediary and constant
vigilance, but you can speak your mind and reach many people if people
trust the intermediary (like a newspaper or a publisher).


In the internet, we essentially only have official communication. Even
private messages are only one change in privacy policy, one zero-day or
one app-update from being public.


Darknet messages and Freemail bring back confidential communication.

Forums in Freenet bring back pseudonymous communication, with the WoT
as intermediary which prevents spam.


For a visualization, see slide 4 of the suma slides (a talk I gave when
Freenet received the SUMA award for protection against total
surveillance):
http://www.draketo.de/proj/freenet-funding/suma-slides.pdf

> A side comment; I do not see how the NSA could take over all my 
> opennet connections, no matter how many nodes it runs.

They can watch whom you connect to and DoS all your non-NSA connections
until you only have connections to NSA nodes left.

> Also, I have read the surfaced docs on LE Freenet investigations, 
> it looks like the NSA can well identify files within Freenet, but I 
> read between the lines they are not as powerful as they would like 
> to be on cracking Freenets pseudonymity, in fact hardly at all at 
> the moment of writing.

These documents are from a regional police office. They are hardly the
NSA. More like some folks who try to do the right thing but lack the
means.

> I have read lots on how 'the cops' try to get warrants but very 
> little on how Freenet is surveilled from within.
> Don't see how surveillance within would give them much to go after 
> either.

They have lists with all the files they are interested in. They likely
gathered them.

> Oh, will darknet be as unsafe for the 'friends' running both 
> darknet and opennet?

They cannot take over your darknet connections without massive
intervention — massive compared to a cheap DoS attack against a few
hundred private computers which would be necessary to break the
anonymity of a pure opennet node.

One darknet node might not suffice, but several should make the attack
weak enough that it would not provide substantial proof.

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Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Anonymous writes:

>> ? Do you want your potential future employer to know everything we talk
>> about and use that to screen applications? To you tell all your
>> colleagues and family about every hobby you have? When you talk about
>> it in the open, it.s just one security breakage of your online service
>> from being public.
>
> Reply would be: you're just too paranoia. Got nothing to hide.

“Didn’t you ever lose a chance, because a co-worker got a grudge against
you because you hold a different opinion on something? Or got into
problems for a careless comment?”

>> You only need to trust the other to not modify his/her node to spy on
>> you. Since most people don.t have the skills to do that, the trust
>> requirement isn.t that high.
>
> It's indeed not, if my trust in the other would be enough. But it 
> is not.

You actually assume that all your friends at the same time have the
skills to modify Freenet and would do that to spy on you?

>> That.s exactly what you should not do. Or rather: You create one ID per
>> shared secret and keep these separate.
>
> This is what I do--inside Freenet. I use more than one ID, keeping 
> them separate.
> The main reason is to diffuse the profile of the person I am.

Yepp — you separate them. No need to tell the people you connect to
about all your IDs.

> As it looks now, LE can ID files w/in FN, track what is downloaded 
> or uploaded
> but not yet prove w/o doubt what one node does.
> It can be made 'likely' but not proven.

It’s the same for darknet friends.

> Every IP running FN is logged, each file inside FN is registered.
> Still, there is no way identities can be linked to IP's.

For opennet “no way” is putting it too high. It’s hard, but if they can
take over all your opennet connections, they know what you insert, and
that means they could know your IDs. Taking over all your connections is
possible in Opennet.

In darknet, they would have to corrupt most of your friends without you
noticing. That’s extremely hard and needs actual people to get active,
which raises the cost for the attack enormeously.

Even having some darknet peers as well as opennet gives you protection
against that attack.

> I am not convinced darknet is useful to me, I do see opennet as 
> what I need.
>
> My real person must not have anything to do with the person, ID I 
> am inside Freenet, this is a definitive must.

That’s what you get with Darknet, but not with Opennet.

> I do not want anyone to know what I do inside Freenet. I even don't 
> want anyone to know I run a node.
> My ISP may know, LE knows, but both must not know what I do inside 
> FN or what my ID is inside.

For the people you connect to the same is true.

> I do want to communicate with, necessarily, complete strangers, in 
> a public way _inside Freenet_.
> As an aside: it is this, the open, virtual community of virtual 
> ID's which makes Freenet useful to me.
> I guess, this is what makes FN unique, its virtual community.

That’s one of the big strengths of Freenet, yes: Pseudonymous
communication.

> Reversely, I do not want anyone inside FN to get a hint of who I am 
> in real life.
> The two worlds must be separated, my security depends on it.

For my security, that’s not that essential, but I want to provide
that separation for people who really need it — and also for myself
should I need it at some point. There might be things I want to share
without connecting them to myself. I know that in school I had that need
of not wanting to have my classmates know what I do in my free time.

Or of not wanting some violent nutcrack or some violent sect to know my
real identity and harass me or my family for something I said in
Freenet.

In Germany there are few anti-nazi activists who stopped their activity
because their family got threatened, and in the US people get sent SWAT
teams to their home. Sadly the nazi have connections into our equivalent
to CIA/NSA, as evidenced by lots of documents about murder by nazis
disappearing or being "accidently" destroyed just days before parliament
should have received them.

> I may trust an other ID in FN to, for example publish software I 
> can trust to run.
> Just because over time, such an ID has proven to be worth this 
> trust.
> But but this trust can't be extended to exchange noderefs with 
> her/him.

That is exactly right. You can NEVER EVER exchange a noderef with
someone you only know from Freenet using a non-public ID when you want
to keep that ID separate from your real identity. Even if you know
someone with your public ID, you should not exchange noderefs with
him/her, because the chance to hit an attacker is much higher in Freenet 
than among your pre-existing real life friends and collegues.

> Nor can I trust a rl person with the fact I run Freenet, both cross 
> the line of keeping my Freenet ID separate from my real ID.
> It does not matter if I trust that person with all I got, this fact 
> I can not share.

Why is that? The fact that you run Freene

Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Anonymous Remailer (austria) writes:

> Arne Babenhauserheide:
> Is that a fact, am I on an 'open' Darknet, connected to Opennet 
> too, less vulnerable, also towards an evil 'friend'?

You are just as vulnerable to friends as to opennet peers.

With a darknet connection, you have at least one connection which
requires social engineering to take over — instead of just requiring
some servers.
> Thanks for replying. I had not thought of separating real life 
> friends from FN 'friends', because I have understood exchanging 
> noderefs requires real-life trust in the other person. That trust 
> implies shared interests so we'd be friends on Freenet too.

You might have shared interest, but that does not mean that you share
all your interests.

I generally use at least 3 different IDs:
- Public. It carries my real name. My friends know it.
- Semi-Private: My friends may know that it’s me.
- Private: No one but me knows that it’s me.

> I am not telling anyone I use Freenet, if only for the obvious 
> question why I need it.
>
> - Well, maybe I do not need it but I do feel anonymity and 
> encryption is important.
> - Oh? For what?
> - Protection against the all-seeing eyes of Google, NSA... for 
> which reasons I hate Facebook and so on.. technics are 
> interesting.. mail is very unsafe.. it's a rat race of encryption 
> against NSA spionage..
> - Man what a bullshit. Ain't you got something better to do? For 
> that reason you run a complicated, slow network? I should encrypt 
> mails to you? The NSA is interested in our cracked programs?
> - Yes they read everything.. all talks over phone are registered.. 
> worldwide spy industry.. will you read wikileaks?
> - Alu hat?

→ Do you want your potential future employer to know everything we talk
  about and use that to screen applications? To you tell all your
  colleagues and family about every hobby you have? When you talk about
  it in the open, it’s just one security breakage of your online service
  from being public.

> I can't afford Freenet friends.  Few understand, most don't want to 
> know any of this.
>
> Am I wrong that exchanging noderefs makes you more vulnerable 
> towards a 'friend', also more vulnerable over the net?
> That person knows my IP adress, that I run a node and a lot about 
> the person I am in real life, because we should trust eachother.

You only need to trust the other to not modify his/her node to spy on
you. Since most people don’t have the skills to do that, the trust
requirement isn’t that high.

> Our ID's on Freenet and our reallife id's are linked. But I can't 
> know what my friend does and hides from me. He can make me unsafe 
> for our shared 'secrets', even if there aren't any.

That’s exactly what you should not do. Or rather: You create one ID per
shared secret and keep these separate.

> Now nobody in real life knows that I run a node. My ISP and LE can 
> see it, but FN should be designed to keep them from knowing what I 
> talk about or who I am on Freenet. My reallife me is separated from 
> the FN 'me'. That feels more safe to me.
>
> Is that false logic?

Sadly yes, because there are technical limitations to security: With
Opennet, you must allow arbitrary people to connect to each other. So LE
can, with reasonable effort, get many connections to you, even when all
they know is that you use Freenet.

With darknet, you only connect to people you know from elsewhere. To
connect to you, LE has to actually trace down one or several of your
friends and corrupt their computers without alerting you of that. They
have to risk that one of your friends might tell you about their
actions, and that’s a huge risk: If you learn about their attack, not
only can you stop the attack, you will also be able to stop future
attacks by staging up your operational security. Or eradicate any
evidence they search for. And alert your other friends. Via darknet
friend-to-friend messages which they cannot trace.

Even having just a few darknet connections prevents attacks for which
they would have to completely surround you (take over all your
connections): Without help from the ISP they do not know your darknet
peers, so they cannot block these connections by DoSing your friend.

Best wishes,
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Re: [freenet-support] Rant for Opennet - was: How to hide IP when give out noderef?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi,

> Say you've got one Freenet 'friend' you do trust with your IP address,
> and it's no problem he can see much of what you do because you trust
> him. … That friend you can actually trust and let him have the
> keys to your house?
…
> If you are doing things LE wants to know badly, chances are good your
> darknet will be infiltrated.
…
> These problems do not exist on Opennet because you can not be
> recognized as a real person, Frost/FMS/Sone identities can't be traced
> to your IP address.

This reasoning falls for 3 misconceptions:

1. You do not give your Darknet friends the key to your house. You only
   make it easier for them to break in by letting them see the insides
   as if they looked through the windows. In Opennet everybody can get a
   connection to you and run exactly the same attacks a darknet friend
   can run. So by switching to darknet, you pull down the blinds and
   *only* your Darknet friends can look through. With Opennet you do not
   have blids, so everyone can look through.

2. If you are doing things LE wants to know badly and they already know
   your physical identity, nothing can protect you. If they do not know
   your physical identity, they also do not know your friends. If they
   get to know your friends, they also get to know you, which gives them
   your IP address, allowing them to run all Opennet attacks against you
   — which are easier than darknet attacks.

3. You do not give your Darknet friends your in-Freenet identities. To
   be safe you have to start a *new* identity in Freenet, without ties
   to people you know physically.

Best wishes,
Arne

Anonymous Remailer (austria) writes:

> Moses wrote:
>
>>  wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 03:20:07 PM Moses wrote:
 Hi,

 I trust my friend, but still not want them to see my IP directly on
 the freenet web page when I give them my noderef, how to prevent my IP
 display on their freenet?
>>>
>>> It is not technically possible to implement Darknet connections without
>>> revealing IP addresses: The purpose of Darknet connections is to establish a
>>> direct Internet connection between you and your friend, and direct 
>>> connections
>>> over the Internet work by using IP addresses.
> []
>
>> I trust my friends, I just want to hide my node's physical location
>> and keep my little privacy/anonymity. That's different. And consider a
>> extreme situation that if friends are questioned by police, If they do
>> not know, they would have nothing to tell. The best way to keep a
>> secret is not tell anybody. Anyway, if hide IP is not technically
>> possible, I will have to use a VPN or not adding any friend...
>
> Your reasoning is smart.
> If you have the skills to run a Freenet node from a masked IP 
> address,
> more power to you.
> Do not use Darknet though.
>
> Darknet is good for a secure intranet with one individual, or a few 
> you can trust
> with your wallet and the keys to your house.
>
> The big problem however is: you can't trust anyone.
> For a simple reason: can you know what exactly you trust them with?
> On top, the more people it's about, the more you should distrust 
> them.
>
> Say you've got one Freenet 'friend' you do trust with your IP 
> address,
> and it's no problem he can see much of what you do because you 
> trust him.
> But can you know what that trusted, for your business trusted 
> friend does?
> That friend you can actually trust and let him have the keys to 
> your house?
>
> Maybe he is doing completely unrelated, but dangerous things on 
> other networks,
> like bittorrent, maybe he does dangerous things on the open net.
> Maybe he is doing something in real life that will have his 
> computer confiscated.
> You are in trouble too if his computer is not bulletproof LE 
> resistant,
> or if he hands down his passwords.
> His friends connection may then be taken over by your friendly 
> officer, and he
> can now see way too much of you and everybody else in your 
> 'dark'net.
> Effectively you have given the friendly officer the keys to your 
> house now.
>
> To connect to the 'big Freenet', in order to insert/download public 
> files,
> publish/visit freesites everybody can see, at least one of your 
> 'friends'
> needs to connect to Opennet, the 'strangers' network.
>
> If you are doing things LE wants to know badly, chances are good 
> your darknet
> will be infiltrated.
>
> Darknet may seem more secure because traffic within a 'closed' 
> darknet can
> not easily be recognized as you running a Freenet node.
> But this provides a false security because of the problems just 
> described.
> These problems do not exist on Opennet because you can not be 
> recognized as
> a real person, Frost/FMS/Sone identities can't be traced to your IP 
> address.
> Also, files you download/insert, freesites and messages can not be 
> linked to your
> identities by a third party. This is the good news on the 
> distributed, decentralized
> peer network Freenet is.
> Freen

Re: [freenet-support] CHK/SSK

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Melvin,

When a request is sent, you request the blocks the key points
to. There’s a routing part and a decryption part.

See https://wiki.freenetproject.org/SSK#How_SSKs_work

“The SSK is made up of a hash of the public key, and the symmetric
key. The hash of the public key acts as the index to the data for
searching purposes. Also, the actual public key is stored with the
data. This is so that Freenet nodes can verify the signature when the
SSK file comes into their node, and also so that clients can verify the
signature when retrieving the file. The symmetric key is so that clients
can decrypt the file.”

Good luck with your project!
Arne

Melvin Mawhin writes:

> Hi,
> Im doing a paper for school on Freenet and i have a small question concerning 
> the way files are requested. 
> When the request is sent to the Freenet network is the complete SSK/CHK sent? 
> I dont imagine so because that would
> mean you send the decryption key too? I have been running through the code 
> but it is difficult to read for a layman.
> Cheers for any help you might be able to offer. 
> KRMelvin Mawhin
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Re: [freenet-support] hii

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Dienstag, 10. November 2015, 00:19:02 schrieb shane staber:
> why should i trust y'all with my logs and privacy and security???  

If you want help, we might need logs to find out what happened (this
is the support list).

For privacy and security you don’t need to trust us as people: We
don’t have any more power over your data than others. Freenet is free
software, so you can inspect the source code or trust others to do
so. Everything related to user data is distributed and secured by
private/public key cryptography, so if you don’t give us the key to
something, we cannot access it.

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Re: [freenet-support] ports

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Freitag, 6. November 2015, 23:07:01 schrieb Elias Verbestel:
> i want to forward ports from freenet.
> but where i need do that port trigger or portmapping.

If you’re using GNU Linux, just do 

ssh -NL :localhost: 

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Re: [freenet-support] Frost

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Samstag, 19. September 2015, 12:56:07 schrieb Dave Larsen:
> Srry I don't know how to start a new subject , but how do I use frost in
> freenet on my Linux Korora 22 Cinnamon 64bit??? I dld it but it isn't doing
> anything I'm lost please help!!!

Frost is easily spammable (and is being spammed a lot), so few of the
Freenet developers use it and most cannot help a lot with it nowadays
(there are plans to change this, but it’s unclear when they will bear
fruits). If what you want are discussions, have a look at FMS (search
for it on nerdageddon).

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Re: [freenet-support] inbuilt freenet type design

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi James,

If you want to reduce the load on your server, it might be useful to
have a look at the DownloadMesh specification from Gnutella:

http://rfc-gnutella.sourceforge.net/developer/tmp/download-mesh.html

It realizes completely decentralized swarming where the server only
needs to provide some initial IPs (instead of managing the swarm as in
the BitTorrent protocol). As soon as a client knows some IPs, it can
get additional ones from these other clients. The server can
additionally point to a static file as alternate source.

Best wishes,
Arne

Am Dienstag, 4. August 2015, 15:16:40 schrieb James Jackson:
> Hey,
> I have been working on a project called Bittess, that you might be
> interested in as we seem to have similar goals. The project uses the latest
> webRTC to set up a peer to peer website within a regular browser without
> any other software. There are some limitations but we managed to get a
> prototype up and running at bittess.com. You can view the code and more
> info on how it works over at our github site
> https://github.com/BitTess/BitTess.
> 
> Good luck with your endeavour.
> 
> James
> BitTess

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Re: [freenet-support] help installing freenet on kali

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

You need to create a non-root user.

useradd -m freenet
su freenet
cd
# now copy the installer into ~freenet/ and run it there, as user freenet.

Best wishes,
Arne

Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2015, 11:21:26 schrieb Alejandro Guerra:
> cannot get freenet working on kali linux, when executing the installer i
> get several messages about permission, cannot execute installer as
> root.Please help
> 
> no puedo instalar freenet en kali linux, siempre me muestra un mensaje
> diciendo que el instalador no debe ser ejecutado como root. use el comando
> chmod pero quizas lo hago mal ya que igualmente no logro hacer nada. Ayuda
> por favor

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Re: [freenet-support] Fwd: Race conditions?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Dear Bhargava Manja,

Thank you for your report of potential race conditions in Freenet!

We welcome your tests, but we are less than a week before a big
release which we do not want to delay any further (we have to release
at some point, and that point is next weekend), so we won’t be able to
address the issues before this release.

It is likely that the race conditions are real, since there are tons
of new code in this release, but they do not seem to have a large
impact, so we’ll only be able to check them in more details after the
release. I hope that suffices for your tests.

Until then you can run a Freenet node yourself to check whether you
can detect the effect race conditions in real usage.

Best wishes,
Arne
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Re: [freenet-support] How to fix broken 1439 nodes was Re: [freenet-dev] NullPointerError after OOM or disk-full

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Hi Toad,

Am Dienstag, 2. April 2013, 00:45:17 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> On Monday 01 Apr 2013 22:12:27 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> > jvm 1| WrapperManager Error: Error in WrapperListener.start callback.  
> > java.lang.NullPointerException
…
> This is because of a severe (but trivial) bug in 1439 causing startup to fail 
> if there are darknet peers. Please upgrade to 1440. You can do this by either:

After updating it works again, thank you!

Now we should at least know how many people have darknet contacts…

Best wishes,
Arne

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Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1405

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Sounds great! 

Many Thanks!

Am Dienstag, 15. November 2011, 20:03:11 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> Freenet 0.7.5 build 1405 is now available. Please upgrade. There are many
> changes, mostly client layer or FCP or filtering stuff from FMS.
> Highlights: - Allow plugins to exempt themselves from the content filter.
> - Low-level change paving the way to a load management change in the next
> build, very minor tweaks to routing. - Fix GetCHKOnly (!!)
> - Fix a USK subscription leak, and various other minor client layer changes.
> - Add PrivateURI to FCP PersistentPut/PersistentPutDir. (Be careful when
> reporting FCP logs) - Improvements to CompatibilityMode and PersistentGet.
> - Improvements to the bandwidth page on the first-time wizard.
> - Wait 100ms before trying to search the disk to get more entropy on
> startup, and fix a rare crypto bug (not serious). - German update.
> - New versions of Freetalk and WebOfTrust.
> - Filter fixes.
> - Always use AIMDs (like Freenet was in July and earlier). It appears they
> are essential even with NLM. - Allow switching advanced <-> simple mode on
> any page.
> - Allow building without junit, if skipping tests.
> 
> THANKS TO:
> Anonymous@fms
> ArneBab
> Bombe
> Eleriseth@fms
> Sadao@fms
> sweetie@irc
> toad
> 
> Apologies for the long delay involved in this release. The upside is the
> network performance seems reasonable at the moment, and there hasn't been
> any big disruption due to low level changes or frequent updates. We are
> discussing how to release builds in future.
> 
> THANKS FOR USING FREENET!

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Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1404 (BIG FIX)

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Montag, 12. September 2011, 12:38:49 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> Thanks for using Freenet, and thanks for not leaving while the bugs get
> sorted out.

Thank you for sorting out the bugs!

And while we’re at it: As I pledged, I just donated 50€ of the money I got
back because I cannot go to FilkCONtinental. Thanks go to Nemesis, a proud
member of the “FiB: Filkers in Black” who will take my place at the Freusburg
and fill these old walls with songs of stars and dreams - and happy laughter.

Keep fighting!

- Arne

PS: I also posted this info on my site; maybe we get lucky and some others
join in: http://draketo.de/node/464
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Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Call for seednodes and explanation of current problems

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

On Saturday 05 February 2011 18:39:49 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> We need more seednodes. I will explain the broader situation below. If you
> can run a seednode - which means you need a forwarded port, a reasonably
> static IP address (or dyndns name), and a reasonable amount of bandwidth
> (especially upstream), and a reasonably stable node, please send me your
> opennet noderef (from the strangers page in advanced mode), and enable "Be
> a seednode" in the advanced config. Thanks.

How much upstream do I need exactly?

I can offer about 50kB/s (damn asymmetric DSL…), dyndns is no problem.

Does that suffice?

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[freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Request for proofreading: Announcing donation from Google

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

On Tuesday, 12. May 2009 21:36:30 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> We are currently working on Freenet 0.8, which will be released later this
> year, and will include additional performance improvements, usability work,
> and security improvements, as well as the usual debugging. Features are not
> yet finalized but we expect it to include Freetalk (a new anonymous web
> forums tool), a new Vista-compatible installer for Windows (that part will
> be out in a few days), and hopefully Bloom filter sharing, a new feature
> enabling nodes to know what is in their peers' datastores, greatly
> improving performance, combined with some related security improvements.

"...Bloom filter sharing. 

Bloom filter sharing will enable nodes to know what is in their peers 
datastores without impacting anonymity and should result in much improved 
performance and better security."

That would be my suggestion. 

Best wishes, 
Arne

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Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Request for proofreading: Announcing donation from Google

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

On Tuesday, 12. May 2009 21:36:30 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> We are currently working on Freenet 0.8, which will be released later this
> year, and will include additional performance improvements, usability work,
> and security improvements, as well as the usual debugging. Features are not
> yet finalized but we expect it to include Freetalk (a new anonymous web
> forums tool), a new Vista-compatible installer for Windows (that part will
> be out in a few days), and hopefully Bloom filter sharing, a new feature
> enabling nodes to know what is in their peers' datastores, greatly
> improving performance, combined with some related security improvements.

"...Bloom filter sharing. 

Bloom filter sharing will enable nodes to know what is in their peers 
datastores without impacting anonymity and should result in much improved 
performance and better security."

That would be my suggestion. 

Best wishes, 
Arne

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Re: [freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Donnerstag 23 April 2009 15:16:40 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> Arguably nobody ever types CHKs even now, and copy and paste allows for
> fairly long keys. Thoughts?

You know what I think. 

The length of the key doesn't matter to me, because freesites already hide 
them in links, and otherwise I just copy-paste them. 

I didn't ever watch my downloads long enough to say where exactly they stop. I 
just start them, and if they didn't finish in a week, I remove them again. I 
don't trust my memory enough to say much about the state. Many didn't even 
start, but I'm not sure in which state they were...

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[freenet-support] [freenet-dev] Solving "I queued it 2 weeks ago and it's still at 0%" : are really long URIs a problem?

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Donnerstag 23 April 2009 15:16:40 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> Arguably nobody ever types CHKs even now, and copy and paste allows for
> fairly long keys. Thoughts?

You know what I think. 

The length of the key doesn't matter to me, because freesites already hide 
them in links, and otherwise I just copy-paste them. 

I didn't ever watch my downloads long enough to say where exactly they stop. I 
just start them, and if they didn't finish in a week, I remove them again. I 
don't trust my memory enough to say much about the state. Many didn't even 
start, but I'm not sure in which state they were...

Best wishes, 
Arne
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