[freenet-support] Connection woes
Popping in for a moment again. :-) So, toad, anything workable one can try out (about the public non-darknet one) yet? Opennet, is it? ;-)
[freenet-support] Connection woes
Popping in for a moment again. :-) So, toad, anything workable one can try out (about the public non-darknet one) yet? Opennet, is it? ;-) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] nodes
Searched on www.freenethelp.org , yet? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Why did you set up a subcription for me and continue billing me?
Right. We had a lot more of those problems in the past, and I clearly remember that I changed the (paypal)page a bit (making it clearer) a year ago, as to avoid this. It helped, but apparently some folks still klick on it by mistake, though now you really have to be with your mind elsewhere (Mars comes to mind), not to notice the difference between a one-time pay and a recurrent subscription. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Error on Win98
A few days ago I heard of a new filesharing systems. What was the new filesharing system you heard about? -todd LOL!! Man, that was funny! ;-) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Modem lines MTU?
Are you saying that hosts are required to support MTUs of at least 576 bytes? People have said that some dialup connections use 256 byte MTUs... Since it says HOSTS MUST NOT SEND DATAGRAMS LARGER THAN 576 OCTETS there is no inherent contradiction when it is *smaller* then 576, me thinks? However, I've searched the net a bit too, and looked at my tuningtools to see what they suggest for dial-ups/ISDN, and I must say, they all seem to agree on a typical 576, indeed. I guess you could look at it as 512 + overhead? ;-) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Couldn't retrieve key (and other problems experienced by newbies)
I want to point out to newbies that there is a wiki on www.freenethelp.org that may help. A lot of questions/problems have been adressed there already. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] A few ideas/thoughts i would like to share with
Don't worry, Sonax: any moment now, Toad or Ian will respond with a thoughtful post! ;-) O yeah, and a happy new year to you and everybody else! ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] A few ideas/thoughts i would like to share with
I think those were all good comments (though not mentionned for the first time ;-). Some of them I have proposed years ago, but...well...it somehow never amounts to anything. The problem with all these proposals is, that someone actually has to implement it. That seldom happens. I dunno why...natural inertia, perhaps. Or just busy with coding or something. It's a bit like the finance/sponsor-page I was going to make; all thought it was a good idea, but at the end, it didn't happen, but it can't be said that's my fault; the Higher Gods had a change of mind. Ah well, at least we're shown the total income, so my whining helped a bit in improving things :-). I think your suggestions are wortwhile, but I don't see much reaction, as yet. I'm wondering what Ian or Toad thinks of it. With a bit luck, they will give an elaborate response (not impossible, seen the pleasant surprise that Ian made a thoughtful response on my post about tor/freenet - even though he said he would never read anything of me again ;-). I was very pleasantly surprised, I must say. And I'm curious about any further response people might give to your post as well. As for the mirror; I used to make and distribute a SCIP on the wiki, but I stopped it because of the constantly changing builds that didn't talk with earlier builds. It was a bit too labor intensive for me. Irony is, that now the build hasn't changed in quite a while ;-). Anyway, I could, I guess, place something similar on the site, but someone else would have to maintain it. And preferably work with that freecaching-system, because the wiki can't handle mass-d/l of big amounts of data. (Not that it's likely to happen, if the normal site is accesable - exept maybe in case of a slashdot). But a real mirror wouldn't be a bad idea, indeed. thanks for your input, sonax. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] regarding freenethelp.org slowness
It shouldn't slow your browsing down much if correctly configured i.e. if the output limit is appropriate for your connection and what else you want to run on it. It may slow down your gaming and other CPU/memory heavy tasks, but that's another matter. Luckily, I play my games on another puter. But I left everything standard, just as a newbie would do, remember? No tweaking or tinkering, I said, and you said you weren't doing anything of that. and you yourself doubted joe does would even know about their bandwith, remember? I'm a bit more optimistic about that, and I think, thanks to the popularity of P2P progs, that most *do* have an idea, but it must be made very clear and simple where/when they have to do it. I have suggested before (but I never say anything of value, right?) to make a pop-up just with a lot of other P2P systems that shows up on install and gives a pre-determined set of options (like I showed you once with the printscreen). Many P2P progs (emule, shareaza, etc) use this system, so at least it will be familiar. And that simple menu should pop up at the installation, for starters. It may not be perfect, but it would be an improvement to what it is now, in any case. But feel free to ignore my suggestion as being rubbish, as usual. Also, I read you have a 256kbps uplink? You see, this is what I was talking about. Extrapolation from your point of things, which are better then a lot of others have it. I'm not sure how things are in the UK and USA, but on the mainland electricity is pretty expensive, and uplinks usually aren't above 128kbps. I'm above that, because I have asked a better (and more expensive) line due to my server, but most just use the standard; only the upper class of priv connections, or even the pro have 256kbps, let alone more. And then I'm not even talking about those popular rising 'light' versions, which usually have even less. Now, you can say 'that's their problem', but I feel that is the wrong viewpoint; you can say that Freenet works like a charm if everyone has a T1-line too, no doubt. But if reality shows a huge number of people (at least on the mainland) does not have what the average 'involved freenetter' has, then it's not correct to extrapolate from what we have neither. If a P2P network is to be called working, let alone scalable and robust, it should do so under the average technology currently available to the masses, not the above-average. Ideal circumstances, like can be done in your simulations, are only good to prove the principle of something (like if routing works under ideal conditions), but it should also be checked if it can work under *actual* conditions that are present in real-life, which DOES include most people turning of their node at night, having a 128 or 192 upload, leaving their settings untouched, not being in the seednodeslist, etc. AND, it gets the occasional DOS attack too. :-) Meaning? What you mean; meaning? That I have a DOS attack now and then, so things may slow down because of that too. What did you think I was meaning? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] regarding freenethelp.org slowness
I've noticed the Freenethelp.org wiki site is VERY slow and would like to help improve it's speed. Can you put me in touch with who is responsible for maintaining the site? I work for an ISP, as well as willing to donate hardware or money to help the site. I feel the freenethelp.org site is critical for new users to adopt and use freenet. Well, that would be me, actually. Glad *somebody* seems to appreciate it. I'm planning to update the wiki-engine as soon as a new version comes out, which might speed things up a bit. It should be noted however, that it's running on an old machine, and it has to share a line with others. And, these last days things have gone much slower since I am running a freenet node as well (non-stop) due to my having to prove to some devls that I wasn't exagerating about Freenet and the bad shape it's in. Obviously, I can't continue indefinately with it; even my browsing has slowed down (another thing why the current freenet can't be considered working well, IMHO). AND, it gets the occasional DOS attack too. :-) I would refer to the freenetproject.org mailaddy, but that has been terminated, for rather dubious reasons. I guess you'll have to contact me at freenethelp.org, now. I have no official policy in regards to financial or hardware aid, because untill now I didn't consider anyone would want to help out in that regard. Toad offered some RAM, though, originally meant for a testnetwork node, but since that is put back in the freezer I'm using it for the wiki. For the rest I put everything in it of my own pocket and time. It still doesn't seem to outweigh saying something critical of Freenet, though. Feel free to contact me. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
There can be more than one reason. Yes, but reasons 'afterwards' are always easily found (and even believed by themselves). It's called 'to rationalise'. The reason why it actually got deleted, is the reason first given in the email, which was based on an emotional tit-for-tat reaction, and is now being rationalised by saying: oh, but you didn't use it anymore anyway, you can't be trusted, etc. What you would suggest is more or less the same thing as abandoning Freenet. You make the mistake of equalling the Freenet project with the current architecture. Surely, you can not seriously contend this is the same. In the beginnings, freenet didn't *have* any architecture, yet the project was there. It's the goal that counts, not the underlying architecture or techniques used. I mean, if - by some miracle - it is acknowledged that major parts of the software needs to be rewritten, are you then going to say Freenet is dead? Are you going to call it something else, because you changed the underlying architecture (which most newbie users don't care about much anyway, as long as it does what it is supposed to do)? Freenet is what you make of it; as long as it fulfills it's aims, it does not matter what architecture you use to create it. So am I. I have heard from many users that it is better than it was. And I have heard from the newbie that it is working acceptably performance wise. And on my own node I rarely see RNFs and can fetch a great deal of content. Then the least one can say, is that there are many users that find it crap, and many that find it better than it was. I do not think this contradicts eachother per sé; I do not doubt that many users, who have experienced the totally borked network in the past, indeed feel that it is better now then in the past. 'Better' is comparing to something else; it does not say much about the actual performance on itself. The newbie also said I helped him, something you seem to deem irrelevant. ;-) As for your own node: I'll answer that one with another post relating to the performance. It is not a childish punishment. You cannot be trusted. Rationalisation. You didn't delete the account; Ian did. And he did so for the reason he mentionned in his email. Disallowing you an @freenetproject.org account is hardly restricting your freedom of speech! It is clearly a free speech issue, if it is done because one does not like what someone else (in this case me) is saying. We are not obliged to accredit you, just as a university is not obliged to give a PhD to a pupil who cheats. He first would have to demonstrate he cheated. *I*, on the other hand, have demonstrated that saying that freenet still sucks (at least from the endusers' perspective with an ordinary puter, connection and seednode), is not besides the truth. And staying with your analogy: he could NOT, and certainly not unilateraly, decide to revoke the PhD once he had given it to the pupil. Just as we can ban trolls from the IRC channel and even the mailing list; that's not a threat in this particular mail, nor is it a promise, but it is merely a relevant remark. It is not about 'being able' to do something. As libertarians (or at least freenetters) we all know that whomever has the power, can do what he wants. Ian 'can' pull the plug (obviously), but that has no bearing on the question if it was fair. ...Given that newbie nodes always have much worse performance initially than after they have had time to integrate, if you can't see the likely cost of what you have said to the freenet project in terms of new users... Yes, well, this comes to the crux, doesn't it? Is it, because when I say Freenet still sucks and you feel offended by it, or because I 'abuse' or 'lie' or 'work against' freenet? Is it 'against us', or against the Freenet project? I would say that, seen my recent experimental evidence, what I say is close to the observable truth, provided you start with what an ordinary user would have. So how does telling the truth doing something to the detriment and 'cost in terms of new users' of the Freenet project? Are you suggesting I should say something contrary to experimental evidence, just to lore in more new users? I do not describe to that idea: I think it's far better to honestly say to newbies that they shouldn't expect much of it then to be over-optimistic every time, like some High Gods have consistantly done. In fact, I think THAT is screwing the Freebie and to 'the detriment of Freenet' and in the long term also to 'the cost of new users'. It's exactly because of creating high expectations with the newbie that so many users feel cheated and double dissapointed and leave Freenet, probably for good. If we were more upfront on how bad freenet is for people that don't have tweaked their puters, have T1 lines, are a seednode, leave their box on 24/24 7/7, etc.we might actually be benefiting Freenet far more then with dulling them into believing all will work out great.
[Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
Saying freenet sucks, it's gotten worse, it'll never get better, and implying that this is because of the people building it, is not helpful. Saying and implying it to newbies when we are particularly vulnerable due to our slow initial performance due to freenet taking a while to learn where stuff is is particularly unhelpful, and not compatible with being allowed to represent the project by having an @freenetproject.org address. That's bull. You have to know what you want. Ian says (on the lists) it's because I don't use it anymore, you say it's because I promote I2P to the detriment of Freenet, and now says it's because I say to newbies that it sucks. First of all, I never said freenet should be abandonned; I say it should be revamped to work with the underlying I2P framework. How is this, in any way, to the detriment of Freenet? On the contrary, I believe it would save Freenet. And Freenet *does* suck, you said so much yourself. Certainly, you also claim it's a lot better, but I haven't seen any proof of that yet, and I'm speaking in end-user terms, not in the amount of new code being put in. In my experience, it's not working much better then the early 0.5 build, before the network collapsed. Saying to newbies it works badly when it does, can hardly be a reason to pull out the plug on the account. You can contest how much it really sucks, but seen the complaints of newbies and my own experiences, it's not like *your* own experiences are the sole measurement to determine that. And you *do* acknowledge it doesn't really work well, at least in some aspects. The truth is mentionned in the email I received from Ian, which is: he got pissed off by the criticism I gave. All the rest is afterwards-re-excusing things. The account is used for letting people ask me questions about freenet and freenethelp; do you think it's fair that this is now being deleted, as a childish punishment because of what I say? If you want to react, react with words, or ignore me, but actively doing an action that supercedes free speech is going a lot further. You claim it was not helpful, but the newbie in question finds it was, and I agree bringing the expectations down to earth is FAR better then always claiming so over-optimistically how improved things are. The truth is, and you know as well as me, that it was a tit-for-tat reaction, that supercedes the boundaries of free speech, and you know it. I never used the account for anything else then for fondraising (which I stopped doing since I noticed the development got stuck and things were not improving in the newbie-end-users' perspective), and for people that contact me with questions. So, how, exactly, does it help to delete it? Should I re-ask installment when I go searching for sponsors again when the 0.6 version comes out? Your reaction amounts to: 'too much criticism, let's make it clear we don't like it'; not an adult reaction, but if it stayed by words, it would be understandable. Now, it isn't. Even if one would be of the opinion that it's a rational, logical decision, the LEAST you could do, was to reinstate it for a copple of weeks, so I have the time to point people that the account isn't working anymore and to rechange the links. (That won't help with the sponsor searching for the 0.6, but, by your own reckoning, I won't do that, because I'm not 'helpful' (at least you seem think so, the people that actually felt helped seem to be conveniently forgotten). This is not about me 'abusing' Freenet; I have put too much effort in it for anyone to seriously suggest that; it's about you guys being pissed of by my remarks that at least *I* (and I'm REALLY not the only one) feel are valid, based on my own experiences and what I hear from noobs. You can disagree with what I say, but it doesn't mean it's fair to put a burden on me and other users, because you guys feel offended. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] emperical evidence for what I say
I'm being fed up to be called a troll and being 'non-helpful' and all that, after what I've done for the project, because I basically say Freenet still sucks. Well, this is the truth, and I have completed a test that also shows this, so there can't be any discussion about it anymore. When I say Freenet sucks, it's always from the perspective of the end-user, and thus, I have done exactly what a user, trying out Freenet would do. Please note that I do not exagerate or scew any numbers to my advantage or to prove my point: I have done this with a clock aside me, and it has been done very minutely, I can assure you. First thing: on the freenetpage is (or at least was) talk about a minimum integrationperiod of a copple of hours; as an addition (at least on the wiki), it is said that it takes about two days to be 'fully integrated'. I have been running my node for about 28 hours now, though not non-stop with a period of 18 hours and one of about 10. (I doubt most newbies can afford to let their node run nonstop neither). By that token, my node should at least be 'reasonably' integrated. My openconnections are: Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 41 (20/21/200) Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 29 (20/9) Data waiting to be transferred 3.780 Bytes Total amount of data transferred 184 MiB Note that I do not have fantastic lines/ISPs/HD's/special seednodes etc.; I only have an ordinary DSL on an ordinary computer. I have done what every newbie would do, trying out freenet: going with fproxy and klicking on the first freelink of the indexsites, which happens to be The Freedom Engine. There, I just tried out the FIRST TEN freesites. Note that I DID NOT pick out deliberately obscure or whatever sites; just the first ten that appear on the indexsite. This is the result: 1) 174 sec, RNF 2) 87 sec, RNF 3) 255 sec, RNF 4) 139 sec, RNF 5) 1 sec, Sonax Flog appeared 6) 221 sec, DNF 7) 73 sec, RNF 8) 78 sec, RNF 9) 93 sec, RNF 10) 76 sec, RNF Thus,the endresult is having to wait huge amounts of time, while of ten freesites, only 1 appeared (and that so quickly, I suspect it was in my cache from a former look at it). How can this be described anything else then 'It's sucks'? The problem with all the counterarguments of how improved freenet is, is *really* beside the actual day-to-day experience of new endusers that have ordinary computers with ordinary connections. When I say it sucks, it is NOT trolling, it is describing the situation as it actually is, and as I now have demonstrated with emperical evidence, instead of just falling in the same old 'it works bad - no it works good' discussion. There can be no doubt that any newbie, after experiencing what I just have, would say 'freenet sucks', and rightly so. I hope I have demonstrated that, from the viewpoint of joe doe enduser, my claim was totally according to observable reality. I rest my case. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of the project
Is that good or bad? Interestingly, even that many connections use very little of my bandwidth. It's rather good. It's way more then my average Open connections, and it indicates that it's not really a firewall/NAT problem. BTW, how big should the cache, or 'store' be? I guess the 300 MB I've given it are not nearly enough. 300MB is very little, to be honest. But of course it depends on the size of your HD. Normally, it is (should be) set to 10% of your free HD-space. Now, may I ask you if you feel I have helped/supported you with my posts? I ask that, because I just got emailed by Ian saying he kicked me out of the project (well, at least he disabled my freenetproject account) because of my first post to you. It seems he did not think it belonged in support, but ah, we all know it has more to do with him having difficulties to cope with the critisism I give on the current performance and developmentprocess of Freenet. Which is often sarcastic, true, but he should have the maturity to keep his personal feelings of being annoyed/agitated out of the project. He asks me why that I should explain the *support* mailing list is consistent with you having an email address that implies you are a part of this project but at the same time says I shouldn't bother because all what I send goes directly into the bin anyhow - again not very mature. For a libertarian as he claims to be, this is rather spicious reasoning. In any case, since email isn't going to help, I will say it here: 1)First of all, being part of the project isn't just a matter of making a post on the correct list, or not. (or, the real reason: being sarcastic and critical of Freenet or not). 2)Being part of a project is, obviously, also derived from whether you do something for the project or not. So what did I do for the project? I have sought and found sponsors, I have created and maintained the freenethelp wiki, I run and test a freenode, I insert content in the network and only last week I updated the freenetproject webpage through cvs (which possibly I can't do anymore, now). Since those things are all part of the project, I conclude I *AM* indeed part of the project, whether Ian feels bitten in his ass by my comments or not. (Which can also be seen as helpful, as some other poster already indicated) 3)The main premise, that the post in question was not helpful or supportive, is debatable. Clearly Ian doesn't think so, but that doesn't mean the newbie that I responded to thinks the same. It's rather subjective, but it wasn't Ian asking support, so he should not presume to know whether it was or not. (but again, we all know the real reason). So, that's why I ask you. If you found it helpful or supportive in any way, then his presumed reason for kicking me out is untenable. And even if he doesn't, it still leaves my two other points. If I were to react so childish, I would have to say: well, if I'm not part of the project anymore, why should I keep freenethelp up, why shouldn't I revert all my changes to the website back, why should I do anything else? But such things are childish tit-for-tat reasonings, and I am not going for such a thing. If you don't like what I say, then say so, or ignore me; things a libertarian would do. Fighting for free speech but at the same time kicking someone out because you can't cope with what he says seems more then a bit contradictory to me, frankly. Anyway... I doubt Ian will change his mind; he's much to stuborn for it, and he's not really interested in being reasonable neither, as is aparent in his comment that he asks to explain myself, but won't read my explanation. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
I wasn't aware that you were ever in the project to be kicked out of it (whatever being in the project means). Very few people have @freenetproject.org email addresses, you got one because you asked for it and because you said it would help you raise donations for the project. That was one reason, yes. But while I agree that it's been months since I actively sought new sponsors, it is also true I use that emailaddress on several pages on the website and on the wiki for people that want to ask questions about freenet and freenethelp. If you discontinue that address, it means that it will not work anymore. And while true it isn't used that much (a lot of spam, though), it IS something that people can use. Or rather, could. So far as I can see you no longer even use it, so I don't see why you are whining about losing something that many people who have made a much more significant contribution to the project than you have never even asked for. You have the reasons. And ofcourse people that don't ask for the emailaccount will not whine about losing it, duh. You can't complain about losing something you didn't have in the first place. I have no problem whatsoever with criticism, but I do have a problem when it is expressed in a sarcastic and personal manner. You have a right to say whatever you want, but I have a right not to endorse your opinions by giving you a project email address that you don't need and don't use. It's not like all your posts are all that diplomatic neither, but I'll leave it at that. I agree with the middlepart, but note that endorsing my opinions is (or at least should) not done by giving or revoking an emailaccount. You have the right to endorse whatever you want, but your personal feelings of endorsement should not interfere in matters that are contrary to profesional management. Now, you have given some arguments this time why you think it should be terminated, yet in the email you linked it directly to the post I made. therefor, it is reasonable to suspect the desision is based more on personal feelings then on rationale. Because logic does not give a valid reason why it should be terminated: if I encounter a possible sponsor tomorrow, should I ask the whole thing back again? And since you are unilateraly throwing the account away, is it fair that the burden of having to change all the links I made to the address on the site and the wiki rest on my shoulders? Based on your opinion that I don't make much use of it...or because you got fed up with my critisism? I concur that I'm not seeking actively anymore, but if I encounter another sponsor, I will still need the address, and if people send to that account, they still have the right to expect that I answer, and changing all the emailaddies is an unfair burden, certainly because there is no pressing reason for it - apart possible personal feelings. There is nothing mature or immature about my decision to ignore you, it is my personal preference based on the observation that most of what you say isn't very useful, and that it is generally expressed with extremely poor spelling and without bothering to follow even the most rudimentary email conventions. I agree. The immaturity does not lay in the fact that you ignore me: you are fully entitled to that. The immaturity lies in the fact that you put a burden upon me, possibly inconviencing others as well, because you feel offended by my posts. As for the spelling: I'm not even going to go that route again. I'm not native english and I don't have an english spellchecker and I doubt I would use it anyway. My english is good enough to be understandable, and it's way better then what most english-speaking dudes can type in german or french. I've once posted on an italian-freenetforum; I don't remember them complaining about my italian, though god knows it was no doubt far worse then my english. But spelling dosn't have anything to do with the actual topic in any case. And about emailconventions: whatever conventions I have, it's not asking, by email, for a response, while at the same time saying I throw them directly in the bin. When did I claim to be a libertarian, how is my not endorsing your emails in any way anti-libertarian, and what does spicious mean? If you mean to say, where did you say 'I'm a libertarian', you're right, you didn't. Reading your blog, I would say it's libertarian in anture, though. But feel free to say it's not. No, being a part of this or any project is about constructive criticism, but not sarcastic and personal criticism directed at those who have contributed far more to the project than you have. My critism is related to the performance and way of development of Freenet. In both instances, I have given constructive suggestions too, but you deny that. And even this time, I said changing to UDP might help with the firewall issue, so it is not like I'm only given critisism without ever suggesting alternatives. But, after all this time, it becomes
[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
I was just going to say, that flamewars on project support mailing-lists are not professional and should better be done by private mail. Maybe. But that's difficult to do if you are asked to respond but told your email is going directly going to the bin. Besides, when talking about non-professionalism on the lists, I've seen worse. ;-) I concur with the rest of your post. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
OK, so I tried Freenet... or rather, I'm trying to try it. It's running for about 36 hours now, with pauses because I have to go offline every 12 hours. (is that a problem?) A Freenet site takes now from 5 to 20 minutes to load, if it loads at all. After much trying, I downloaded Frost, but the interesting part of the manual just won't load, not even through the gateway. I think I got it running correctly, but it doesn't show even one message anywhere, aside from the one I posted myself. Lots of not found or wrong size in the DOS box... All in all, I have to say Freenet is a very frustrating experience to a newbie. Is it always this slow, did I do something wrong, or have I picked a bad day? Frustrating? Can't be! It has much improved, *much* I say. If you don't believe me, ask toad and Ian!Even the simulations say so! We have NIO and NGR now, so things definately have improved for noobs like you, whatever you may think about it yourself!Now, because people are going to ask you these questions anyway (it's a default ;-), I'll ask them for you/them : what build do you use? What OS? What JVM? How many Open Connections do you have? Do you have NAT, are you behind a firewall?The last question will be 'yes' to which the answer will be: 'oh, then it's probably that. You have to punch a whole in your firewall and set the NAT right, and then Freenet will work like a charm (a level-2-in-Morrowind one). There you go! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Is it always this slow?
So you're saying it should be faster? But even when I used the Freenet gateways, they were very slow. Actually, I was being sarcastic, which you may not have noticed, being a newbie. If you scroll to my earlier posts on devl or support, you will notice I've made EXACTLY the point that for noobs Freenet still sucks, because...well, it sucks. There have been a lot of technical 'improvements' like NIO and NGR, but some of it is dubious, and all of them have not contributed to a faster, better working Freenet - which is often disputed by the Higher Gods, but which is, alas, the truth. Your story isn't an exeption. Recently I tried to insert my flog, and it took about one hour to insert it. But, rest assured, someone will come in and say it works fanfuckingtastic with on his/her puter. But, back into reality-land-with-no-elves-and-fairies, your experience is quite common. Though, in all honesty, I must say with some (well-integrated) nodes, fast lines and time of the month (etc.) you can have some freesites under the two minutes as well. Win2k, I just downloaded the program complete with the Java machine from I asked the questions mainly pro-forma: it's what is always asked, but usually the question nor the answer will help much. You got lucky you didn't get it back 'corrupted' like me. Anyway, guess that'll be a 1.4.x JVM version. The version is one thing, the build something else. It should be 5100 (you can see that when you open fproxy), which it probably is. OpenConnections you can see on the start to (left), with fproxy, though you need to go into advance mode (upper right, I believe) first. Well, it's a funny thing, with the firewall. I'm still not very clear about myself. It is supposed to work without a glitch these days; it should handle NAT and firewalls without a glitch...only it sort of doesn't. It works, but it doesn't. I'll let a High God explain that one, but rest assured it's full of 'ifs' and 'thens'. Using UDP might have helped to avoid all that, but ah, details. Anyway, feel free to snoop around at www.freenethelp.org, which has become quite an elaborate helpsitewhich isn't all that surprising, I guess ;-). ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: a dead horse and other animals
1. Newsbyte: keep stirring things up. I find it helpful. I am of the same opinion, but I could be biased. ;-) 2. With respect I don't think you can both a) claim to be installing like a novice user and b) insist on keeping your existing Java install to be used and recognised. I am not. That's why I say a noob wouldn't do half of what I tried. In my opinion, I rank above average in computerknowledge (though not being an expert on every topic), but if I encounter difficulties, you can be sure a noob will have it too. As for b); as I said, I did try several things, one of which was like the suggestion on the freenethelp wiki, and another one was uninstalling the 1.5 and downloading the full install. IMO the average novice user will choose the full install with Java and that will work. I'm assuming you have Java 5 (still in beta). I'm sure the Windows installer will be updated soon, and Java 5 hasn't been out that long... I tried the full install and got the warning it was corrupted (and it wouldn't install neither, thus). Yes, I saw it on dev it was being updated. In the meantime, I also got around the problem, and I don't think the primary cause of the prob is with the JVM, nor with the recognising of it on itself. (see dev maillist). 3. And for those who have some slight knowledge and do want to run / keep the latest Java with a Windows install they can follow the instructions at: http://wikiserver.freenethelp.org:14741/InstallingFreenet; Indeed, but that, as I said, didn't work neither in my case, probably due to the things I describe in my post on dev. 4. You may have heard of this Wiki. Some kind, clever person set it up... I agree. :-) I've found it very useful although the user login (through Preferences?) seems to be broken right now... It is? Well, maybe that kind person will have a look at it. That said, strictly speaking you don't need a user login to make edits; it's free accessable for everyone (unless you want to go in as admin). In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if that clever person was going to implement the next and improved version of the wikiserver as soon as it will come out, which will be, hopefully, very soon. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] a dead horse and other animals
I've been getting TFE fine, but I haven't been able to load FIND for almost a week. The lists are pretty silent lately, as well. Conspiracy theory, anyone? No, the explanation is simply this, that many active (meaning formerly inserting/posting) Freenetters have gone over to i2p. Not only do you see icons such as thetower guy there, but a lot of other ex-freenetters, some of which still didn't leave Freenet completely (like me). I've been pointing that out in the irc chan too, but I got slapped on the wrist for it. aparently, saying the obvious is 'not done'. For the first time, Freenet has some serious competition, and it's not performing well, speaking in a darwinian sense. As yet, it doesn't seem to affect finances that much, but once you start to lose interest and people go to another (promising) I2P, that can't be far away. I have said many times before that there is a lack of progress, or at least a sense of progress, certainly for the ordinary freenet user (and, in fact, for the end-user there HAS been little progress). The development cycle of Freenet is NOT normal, not even for a new-technology-beta. It seems that Freenet is performing better...but compared to what? To how it was a year ago? No doubt, back then it was totally bork. It's a pitty we don't have performance testing logs, but I suspect that it's now about as good as it was 2 years ago...hmmm. Yesyes, I know a lot of technological goodies have been added, but that doesn't interest Joe Doe: he just wants it to work, and good. That means, primarely; finding something he wants, and d/l it fast, and, seen the fact it's freenet, in a safe manner. Freenet doesn't do all that. Now, granted, though I have been pleasantly surprised, neither does I2P, as yet. But the difference is, they are working 4 months on it, and have come a long way and they *are* improving dramatically. With that pace they are gaining support rapidly, as already can be seen (and that's why it has suddenly become more quiet on the posts, and Freesites are less and less being updated). The moment the DHT is ready, Freenet will not offer anything en plus, practically speaking. Now, I'm ambigous about this all. In theory, competition is a good thing...only it doesn't seem to have any impact, here. It's mostly being ignored, and when someone points it out, it's not welcomed. Furthermore, I don't think two main anonymity projects can be maintained by the OSS crowd, at least not the way it is done now. what is taken by one is at the loss of the other one, and vice versa, me thinks. That's why, in a former post, I tried to stimulate both parties to try to merge their technology and forces...but to no apparent avail. Is it that difficult to see that both projects have specific advantages, that would or at least could benefit both? Geez. Freenet has potential, it still has, but it just lays there as a dead horse, and i2p is has great ease-to-use promise, but still has to prove some basic things, like being able to scale (not that Freenet is out of the loop with that one neither). Anyways, when I pointed this out, I got the remark I was bulshitting, because I didn't even run a node anymore. Which was true, because I told so: last stable node I ran was one or two months ago. (On a positive sidenote, Ian claimed he didn't think I *really* was a troll ;-). Well, always being reasonable, I thought there was a point to it; it was time to see how this latest node was - again- going to be fanfuckingtastic. So I went for it. Fantastic as freenet may be nowadays, I hardly started or I got an error. First of all, I had to get rid of my unstable node. So I did. then I tried the download on the d/lpage of freenet: to no avail. It couldn't find the JVM. There WAS a JVM on it, rest assured though. It worked perfectly with anything else, including the former unstable node, even. But the installer said there wsn't any JVM on my box, period. Now, Ian always claims I don't say anything worthwhile, so I want it to be noted that I say now, very clearly, that the installer is bugged. There is definitaly something wrong with it. Now, no doubt that bug will linger there for another 4 months at least - if not forever, but I *did* tell you now about it, so don't be telling me I said nothing about it! I spent a copple of hours the last two days to try to get it working, as in just getting the damn thing installed...but it just doesn't. I've tried the webinstall just letting it run, downloading it on the HD and trying to run it, changing my regedit of my JVM (as Kev told me), restarting it, uninstalling my JVM, reinstalling it, trying some other stuff, re-uninstalling it, trying to download the java+freenetinstall, got it back corrupted, etc. Thereis NO WAY a noob wanting to try Freenet would go through even half of all this. In any case, I feel I have tried my best to run a node, and I don't accept the premise anymore that I should shut up because I don't run a freenode any longer. I think
[freenet-support] and another thing
As I said on IRC, a collegue of mine has made an article (well, actually more of a reference/pointer/short description) to freenet, and refered to the sourceforge page. Maybe that seems like an obvious mistake, but in any case: why doesn't anyone who can, update the f- page, there? It's still says 0.5.2.1 with as date 17 july 2003(!!). Great impression that makes for people that arrive there. Call it worthless what I say, but being mentioned on major putermagazines is not that easily to brush off. These kind of things will happen again, and it's a total waste if we don't correct it, which can be done quite easily, by updating it more regulary. I remember, btw, that I've said this before, even long before this article came out. But I guess it wasn't worth any attention. After all, as I've come to understand, I never said anything worthwhile. And yes, I'm whining. I feel entitled too. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] which jvm?
"given win98se and being forced to run with only 64mb ram on a p233what would you recommend?" Not running a node? Well, I think the 1.5 jmv is less heavy on HD and RAM then the 1.4.2. So, if you really want to go through with it, you either keep the 1.4.1 or go to the 1.5 JVM, that's my recommendation. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Cancel Freenet Project Membership
Dear Sir or Madam, I'd like to cancel my Freenet Project Membership (details below). Thank you! Sincearly Yours Christian Springfeld -- Subscription Details -- Amount: $5.00 USD Date: Oct. 2, 2004 Subscription Name: Freenet Project Membership Subscription Number: S-377350108K465914S Sigh. This is the th time. I thought I already made it more clear on the page, but maybe it'll need something extra so people goddamn know the difference between donating once and a recurring payment. And maybe to make it clear THEY have to cancel it with paypal themselves.Any objections if I change the donationpage a bit? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] which jvm?
Well, that would depend on whome you ask, it seems (see discussion on devl). *I* would suggest 1.5. But actually, there are no real big problems with 1.4.1, though there WERE problems reported with the 1.4.2 on OSX, BSD and Linux. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] [Tech] Announcements and seednodes
1. We should use a single seednode, do an announcement through it to get a set of initial connections, and then drop it. + Even if currently there is no script to download the seednodes and block all the IP:port's, if we ever make any progress we have to assume that THERE WILL BE. And one seednode will help how, in that case, exactly? If it's easy to block a lot of seednodes, it's even more so to block one seednode. If you can't anounce through it (say some dude in china) you don't get a set of connections. I mean, I understand the concept, and maybe it's not a bad idea, but your additional 'safety concern' is not really adressed by moving from dozens of seednodes to one or two, on the contrary. If it gets blocked, it gets blocked. No, there would certainly not be one central seednode. That would be much worse than the current situation. I think that quote is directed towards #2... Maybe I didn't understand you after all, then. What did you mean with one seednode, then? Something in the lines of what the noob said? (Which, btw, I think you misunderstood). I don't think his idea was all to bad. I think he meant this: say, you have 200 seednodes, instead of putting them all up, you chose randomnly 3 seednodes (or something) out the list and put them in the download (for each download). Thus, all nodes that get installed get only 3 other nodes, from which they can get connections, but those nodes are chosen at randomn and thus are different for each node, and thus won't overload. 2. We should allow the network to grow slowly by invitation, not via slashdottings. That's like saying there shouldn't be hunger in the world. Well, no, there shouldn't, but such a remark is rather wishful thinking then anything else. Possibly. Certainly. In fact, even today, we already produce more then enough food for every person on the face of the planet, only the distribution (and the willingness to distribute) isn't there.Some will think this is a pinko remark again, but I'm not saying this to condemn it (well, maybe a bit ;-), but it just shows the nature of humans: we work best for profit, and there isn't much profit sending food to starving poor people on another continent. If the government would subsidize human aid, there would be next to nothing to distribute to those area's. As in regard to Gmail; there people perceive a profit for themselves too: an emailaccount that is fast, easy searchable, with a whopping 1 GB and for free... If you can elevate Freenet to the status that it is perceived by the public at large as being beneficial for themselves, then you might try the invite-system. Alas, IMHO, it neither works good enough yet, nor has enough mainstream recognition/hype/appeal yet, to be succesful in growing with an invite system. Our current appeal lies with people that are the-government-is-after-me-paranoids, nerds that come for the technical aspect of the project, free-speech fanatics and a handful of pedo's and chinese (etc) dissidents (no link between the two). In fact, you only have one normal, sane, intelligent and good-looking user: me. ;-) Point being: you won't get broad appeal outside the slashdot crowd untill the network is easy to use and good working, and offers content that the public wants. Seen where the succes lies in other P2P systems, we all have a good idea what content that is, exactly. Of course we wouldn't want to promote any illegal behaviour like downloading copyrighted works, but it's a simple observation that many P2P-systems are used for that, as our friend Mr.Riaa already points out. It's also an observation that our network doesn't offer that much content yet, and that it's not very good in retrieving/inserting it anyway. Fact is, we NEED slashdot. Not only for the influx of new users, but also for the input of new money. We all know that, so whether we like that or So that every two years we get slashdotted, raise maybe $4K, get 5000 new users, and the network collapses, and 4,800 of those users leave, along with 200 of our existing users? Hmm..yes, well, who's fault is it, that it's only every 2 years? I have said many times before, that we should have brought out a 0.6 version much sooner. It's beta, for christ sake, you don't have to wait untill it works perfect. Yes, yes, it would be nice if the network worked much better, as I've said myself, but it's not a matter of one every 6 months where the network hasn't improved, and one after 2 years, where it works fantastic, is it? After 2 years, the network STILL hasn't improved much. So, even if we do it every 2 years, the network still sucks, plus you have the result of being totally overwhelmed too, as you said. Every six months may cause 2000 new users, which wouldn't overload the network that much, which may cause not so many to leave, etc. not, it's a basic fact that it has provided us with extra funds more then once already. The moment you make a /. article, even if it's only for asking
[freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
You've missed the point completely. The error message was Could not find the main class. A java programmer knows this to be not an error with the virtual machine, but more of a classpath issue (the VM cannot find the class; it never actually *ran* anything). Recommending that the user upgrade their VM is bad advice since that clearly isn't the issue. It's not too much to ask those who wish to contribute by answering support questions that they actually understand the nuances of Java. Recommending that the user upgrade their VM is bad advice since that clearly isn't the issue. is a prime example of spicious reasoning: it does not follow, because it's not the main issue, that it is bad advice. At most, if the advice was not wrong on itself and if no other recommandations were made, it would constitute inadequate advice. I didn't miss the point, but you mix two things: the recommandation that he uses another JVM, and the recommandation that he should just auto-install the stuff, and not put it manually in a folder. That installing a new JVM is probably not a main issue under XP was made clear enough by my words: 'besides', 'mostly for linux', 'preferably', etc. The fact that it couldn't find the path IS probably due to him installing stuff manually in a folder. Under windows, with the webupdate and all, you can auto-install JVM as well as freenet 'out of the box', without any manual moving around afterwards, as I've said. In fact, your comment about him installing it manually and that he will discover his error, hints at this as well. But since I think it's more difficult to find the right file(s) and move it to the right folder, or adapt the path; the most easy thing to do is auto-installing a new JVM. I have done exactly the same more then once, also under windows, and I've never encountered classpath problems, so IMHO, the recommandation was not 'bad'. Using another JVM like the 1.5.x build is an extra recommandation, for the reasons I already said in earlier posts (and to which you do not agree, I know). Maybe your interaction with users is vastly more elaborate then mine, but *I* didn't see much bugreports with as cause the 1.5.x build, certainly not compared to the 1.4.2 build. And, as you indicated, Toad himself has recommended it already too. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] JVM Launcher Error
Then why are you responding, and rudely even? I don't think English is his first language.. sound familiar? Indeed, but you are mistaken in the perceived familiarity. It had/has NOTHING to do with his english, or spelling, or grammar. I just don't understand shite what he was trying to say, since with a normal install you don't need to move anything. As for the word 'shite'; dunno if that is all that rude: I took it from a bunch of Scotsmen that I knew, and they used it often, and in various contexts, which wasn't all that rude, actually. You did notice he's running XP, and that the problems with 1.4.2 occur with some installs of BSD and OSX. Which is what I said. And yet, people have come forth with problems with 1.4.2, even on windows. Probably not enough to indicate a firm correlation, let alone a causality, but seen that no similar problems as yet have occured with the 1.5.x, it's in any case a more sound advice to use that build. And btw, it was with linux as well, in the past. We've been over this before, and I know your opinion about this, but I don't follow it. It's like saying: that boat sails fine, if you don't use it with southern winds. Well, maybe, but it still makes more sense to use a boat that has shown no problems, whether using southern winds or not. Since this is a 'support' list, be supportive and not critical, especially if you know little about Java. I suspect he attempted the install manually, and will quickly discover his own error. Saying : you don't have to place anything under the folder afterwards. You just install JVM 1.5.x (preferably), and you install freenet as described on the downloadpage of the main site, or on www.freenethelp.org. It auto-installs everything in both cases, and it should find the stuff and work like a sharm. was support, since I told him what to do, at least IMHO. As far as I can see it, it was reasonably sane advice too. But whether you agree with that or not, it does not turn support into non-support. Critique, if any, was very mild in this post, and it's on itself not in contradiction with being supportive anyhow. If someone asks a question, and I ask if he already looked at freenethelp, it may be construed as being a form of critique, but it doesn't change the fact it's support as well. I can hardly see 'you will discover your own fault' as being more supportive, in any case. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] connecting to freenet?
Yes, well...welcom to the club. It's really not that much of a surprise. What can I say? I suggest you scrutinise www.freenethelp.org and see if you can find any useful hints there. Your situation is not unique, and there are some possible reasons mentionned on the wiki, but it still could be that it doesn't apply in your case. For instance, I suspect that people that have a router/firewall still have more difficulties running (connecting) it, even though the new builds are supposed to work without a prob even if you have one. I'm wondering though...can anyone, preferably a devl, explain to me what exactly is the deal in regard to that? DOES it work now 'out of the box', or do you need to adapt your configuration (NAT, port,...) and if so to what degree. Pls make a clear and understandable (for noobs) explanation so that I can copypaste it on the wiki. (Also if there are other likely opinions on why a node can't connect after hours are welcommed). Any volunteers? ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Donations and slashdot
As some of us have already discussed on IIP, the question becomes urgent what to do for the near future. As the donationpage shows, we are in need for some extra financial input, and thus we should contemplate on the how to do this best. Now, I've said before that we're long overdue for the 0.6, but still, it's also true that currently, it isn't much better performing (as a whole) then the 0.5 version of the past year. Many changes have been made, but no real progress (from the viewpoint of a newbie user) has come out of it, as yet. Now, with the simulations, I feel we have a tool that could finally help us in a way that surpasses the haphazard way untill now, and hopefully that will be even more stimualted with a testnetwork, in the not-to-distant future. I have reasonable hope, thus, that, with further improvements such as the small-chunks and the tools to check performance, we might actually go forward rather quickly, compared to the past year(s). It therefor begs the question, whether it would not be wise to wait a bit longer still, untill we really have something that is noticable better. This all depends on whether we can afford it, and here again, a suggestion of toad(?) gives us an alternative. apart from being useful tools for the development process, the graphs made, are also very interesting and visually appealing. It is therefor suggested, and IMHO a good idea, to use these graphs, and the simulator, as a slashdot-article. If we made a nice page with graphs and some summary explanation, and we offer the simulator for d/l, preferably with a howto so ppl can easily try it out, I think this will cause enough attraction to give us some additional flux in regard to interest and finances. The financial and other gains would be substantial and form a very nice in-between untill the 0.6 version is ready, and it wouldn't cost us all that much in time and effort, in comparison. So, I would agree with this option, make something (page?) interesting of/with the graphs, make the simulator a bit more user-friendly, and clean up some bugs on the current stable build, but nothing too vast...and bring it on slashdot as soon as possible. Once we've gained some financial leeway and the pressure is in that regard has diminuished, we can continue with the 0.6 full speed. Maybe, in a few months, we can then bring out a 0.6 that IS, indeed, better then any current 0.5 build! My two euros ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] wget: a freenet trainer?
Yes, wget is terrible! Thaks u very much. Puf is fantastic! bye Luckily, *you* will escape a lecture on proper spelling from Oskar! ;-) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: [freenet-chat] paypal policy
Quite interesting, albeit not fully informative (what is codefrog ? It's like a code monkey... but Toad isn't a monkey ... Indeed, as can readily be seen on www.freenethelp.org:14741/toad : no monkey. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Setting up freenet - no connection to the
We update the software frequently, but we only make full releases every so often. In fact the last one was over a year ago. This is because we want the new release to be pretty good, considering the level of press attention likely. Well, it might be useful to update it anyway, especially now (started with the 8090? build), since the networkreset and the fact they won't talk to any other nodes. I mean, YOU are always first to complain that too many old nodes lay around, so it's only logical that you try to minimise the use of old builds. If ppl go to sourceforge there, naturally, they'll think it's the latest version and that it's still usefull. I can understand you don't want to update it with every build, but it would be sensible to update it after every major change. It would be for the networks' (and users') own good. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Setting up freenet - no connection to the
Maybe somebody should update the sourceforge project site: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=978package_id=973 I took 0.5.2.1-Release. Indeed! I noticed before that, there, it still shows an obsolete version. I've mentionned this before too, but, ah, regulars know how it goes around here and will not be surprised. Ian or toad or some other devl should update it, asap. This means, if you're lucky, that it will be updated in a month or two ;-) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Routing message sent by TCP or UDP?; WIKISTUFF
Ermm.. Those kind of questions (and their answers) are really interesting and should be kept in a sort of knowledge-database. Ofcourse, I mean the wiki at www.freenethelp.org. Once again, I urge anyone (and yes, *this* non-coders can do too!) to copy/paste these questions/answers on the wiki, in the FAQ for instance. I can't stress the importance of this. We *NEED* a good knowledge database, and it will keep you from having to ask and respond the same things over and over again. The amount of very good info that gets wasted (well, in a certain sense, that is) on these maillists is astonishing, and really can be remediated with not too much trouble. It really is a pitty to have perfectly well-suited info for the wiki fading away into oblivion on these lists, otherwise. So, c'mon: everyone, noobs included, can do their part to make sure all relevant infoon the listsis put on the wiki! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Problem with 5091 and 5092
Joy. It's not recommended to use JVM 1.4.2, for starters, as can be read on www.freenethelp.org. It may have nothing to do with your problem, but I would recommend that you revert to 1.4.1, or that you try out the 1.5 beta in any case. With both versions, a lot less problems have been reported. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] RE: anonymity(NOT)
The weakness is insoluble. Unless nodes run 24x7 for LONG periods, and encrypt the entire store with an ephemeral key, thus wiping it on startup. It is not 'insoluble' in the sense of what I just said; that you have to make it so hard, they won't see any benefit in wasting effort in it. Maybe a perfect solution will not be possible, but that isn't needed here. There have been suggestions, which you found to be 'not good enough'...but maybe you are taking the wrong premisse and focussing too much on an absolute way of solving it. If you just make it hard enough so the wasted effort/money/etc. outweighs the benefits they get from it, you have already won. In fact, seeing it in the context of an eternal catmouse game, even my first example of making something light as an extra layer may well do the trick, provided you make it modular and easily changeable. You were right they may make an easy tool... but it's still not clear if they can force you to run a third-party tool (without court-order). I think they can't, at least not in my country. And if they have to get a courtorder every time they want to compel someone to run their tool, the costs will vastly outweigh the benefits, which will meanwe win. It's also not clear if they can even make such a tool to bypass the encryptionlayer, even in the USA, because that would violate the DMCA which they themselves helped lobby. It clearly makes it illegal to bypass such a thing,and they still have not THAT much power they can compel someone to do illegal things in the name of copyright-infringement.Certainly, courts can order to do so, but then (again), their incentive will become obsolete. But even if none of the above would count; if you made it modular and easy to remove/reinstall, then you could simply play along in the catmouse game, and everytime they managed to get a tool out, replace the system with a new module, so they can start over again. I'm just saying; maybe you are bit too pessimistic. You can call it snake oil to shrug it off, but if it manages to make things hard enough as to be not beneficial (for them) anymore, Mr.Riaa and co will not have enough incentive to go for it. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] RE: anonymity(NOT)
"You know that your node is transmitting bad stuff ..." No, you don't. That's just the point, and that's why I find your whole argumentation rather doubtful. Well, that and others: 1)You have not given a legal decision or precedent , whereby an ISP as a corporation gets protection as a common carrier status when illegal content is moved through it, but not when an ISP is a private individual. It would seem to me (and is, in this country), that courts would not make a distinction between corporations and individuals only based on the fact that they are corporations and individuals, regardles ofthe activity. On themselves, a corporation has no more protection then an indivual, if all other things are equal. 2)It remains to be seen whether 'knowing' in the sense that you see it, is followed by the courts as being enough to constitute intent. It seems rather doubtful they will. You do not 'know' that your node is being used in an illegal manner, you only know that the possibility is there that it can be used in that way. But then again, so does the company in your example. After all, they can assume that their computers can be used in an illegal way too. Yet, there you claim they can't be held responsible. You seem to be of the impression people use freenet to transfer childporn, and all the rest is just a side-effect, while it's just the opposite. Some time ago, there was a research done about the content of Freenet, and childporn was considered to make up 4% of the total content..far from being a 'major' use, now, is it? I wouldn't be surprised if the regular internet had a higher percentage. So, you do not 'know' that (or if) your node is transferring illegal stuff, nor is it reasonable to assume you have the intent of transferring childporn when you are running a node. You only know their is a possibility it can be used in that way. So your whole argumentation becomes a bit absurd. Even the supreme court in the USA has made it clear that you can not forbid something - because it can be used in an illegal manner, if it has legal uses too. You keep saying that is only true for those that produce the item, but nowhere is it inferred that the same thing does not count for people that offer a service. To be completely sure, one would need a precedent, true, but it is reasonable to assume that the courts will deem it being the case, whether it's producing it, or offering a service, providing that you can not control it (etc.) 3)The way Freenet works, it's quite possible that any offending material wasn't on your node BEFORE they asked it. This could be a case of entrapment, and in some countries this is not allowed, and if you can shed a reasonable doubt that it is entrapment, the case is thrown on its face. It would be strange indeed, if somebody got sued for having illegal material on his HD that they themselves put there. And if you claim that knowing about the possibility is enough to constitute intent, as you have done, then they 'knew' that this could happen, and thus, willfully and intentionally put illegal content on your HD. If this was true, then YOU could sue THEM. While I agree we might be over-optimistic in some legal viewpoints, it seems that you are rather biased to an interpretation of the law that is rather pessimistic and unrealistic. I doubt many courts will agree with your definition of 'knowing' and what constitutes intent; I doubt your claim that the courts would make a distinctive difference between an ISP as a corporation, or one as an individual, etc. We will have to wait on the real first precedent...but I think the legal status of freenet and it's users is rather good. Technical imperfections, like the lack of an extra layer of encryption on the storage seems rather a greater problem, IMHO. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] OS X Problems
That you don't see any activelinks and you get many 'couldn't connect' errors is not surprising, on a newbie node. It just needs more time to get integrated into the network, probably. But, there have been reports of problems with OSX and JVM 1.4.2. For all this, you can find more info on www.freenethelp.org cheers! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] RE: anonymity(NOT)
I have yet to be convinced that the law requires a layer of meaningless snake oil. Then it's up to you that, a) it's not snake oil and/or b) that it's not meaningless. As I've explained before, I think it's not a matter of if, but of when Mr. Riaa will begin with the same tactics as they do now on the regular internet. You claim it's not that easy, and I believe you on your word, but Mr.Riaa and his ilk are not ALL stupid ninkenpoops, even if they act like they are most of the time. Finding out the CHKs is not THAT difficult, that it's beyond the means they have. As you said yourself: nothing is totally safe and secure; it allways depends on what means someone has and effort he is prepared to do for breaking the security. Currently, it's well within the means of Mr.Riaa to use the same tactics as he is already doing, even when it's harder. This means, that it's well within their means to make it very annoying for the users, which ofcourse will reflect badly on Freenet, and it's usefulness. I predict this will happen as soon as Freenet becomes wildly used. It is a too obvious weakness to miss, and too obvious to let it stand. Sooner or later, we will have to deal with it. (I prefer sooner). ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Current stable build numbers
Well, I'm already maintaining the Changelog, and one can see the latest (stable) build there...more or less. But, aside from one time (which was a pleasant surprise, but not enough to make my point unvalid), it's always me who has to do it, even with cvs, everybody (with access) could do it, really. I have more or less stopped with the maillistsummary for the same reason. I'm willing to do a lot, but if I sense little support, it's of little use to continue. Idem with the finance-page-thingy, which I tought was a real good idea, just as most others, but it still didn't go nowhere, not even for actually getting it of the ground. Ian wants some scriptthingy with it, and I had contact with 2 coders, but for some reason, it always withered to nothing. There is an apparent lack of willingness to actually do some things, especially by the non-coders - even if they could and would be appreciated when doing so. I mean, I can't expect toad to be burdened with website-probs or other, even if interesting or important, issues. But some coders that aren't totally focused on the coding of fred, and certainly the myriads of non-coders; why don't they do something in this regard? Beats me. I'm willing to help out with your proposal, sonax, but only as 'part-time'; I'm not taking it solely on me to maintain. It's a worthwhile idea, but you or someone else should take it upon you, and I'm always willing to give a helping hand with it. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] new stable(part 2)
Ok...despite Ian telling me to f- read what toad wrote, what I feared would happen has happend: whether or not I let it run longer, it's still the same. Basically, it's still crap. On the contrary, it seems to get worse the longer I let it on. In the very beginnings, it worked (more or less), but then it went steadily worse, untill nothing was retrievable. After some discussions (and the well-thought of responses on the maillist ;-) ) someone on IIP suggested to update my seednodes.ref. So I did. And indeed, when restarting things seemed to have improved. I thought the seednodes didn't update when using the auto-update, but toad assured me they would/should. And I guess he might be right, because after a while it deteriorated again, untill it was as crappy as before. And that is really crappy: my statusbar is around 1-2% and stays there, no activelinks show up at all, etc. Now, I AM using a router and what not, but it never deteriorated like this before, and build 5085 is supposed to work *better* with routers, right? So, I have basically no idea what is going on (neither do the coders, I suspect ;-)), but I'm pretty sure it's not due to being not well-connected to the network in the normal sense and that it will improve with time. I would send some data on it, if I knew what exactly would be interesting to know. (openconnections?) Connectionsopen(Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 6(0/6/200) Transfersactive(Transmitting/Receiving) 1(0/1) Data waiting to be transmitted/received None/None Amount of data transmitted/received over currently open connections 2,219KiB/3,740KiB Total amount of data transmitted/received 24MiB/27MiB Number of distinct nodes connected 6 After a whole night, 24MB seems rather puny. - Original Message - From: Newsbyte To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: new stable Tried it out, and thusfar...it's crap. Maybe (hope so) this is temporary, but it definately works WAY worse then it used to. Actually, I almost don't get anything exept RNF, DNF and other 'can't connect' messages. I know it's maybe too early to tell, but what if all the changes didn't do a thing (again) to improve Freenet? I mean...we could be busy untill men land on mars and Bush becomes a saint (I would've said an intelligent dude, but I want to keep it remotely possible). If things don't work, and don't keep working, maybe we should make a dramatic departure and throw away the concept of NGR and the current bw/limiting shemes? Maybe we just made it too complicated, and we should revert or at least think about moving it to something more simple again, akin to the classical routing? Also, IMHO, one might implement something that makesa node more keen on (more) rapidly using other nodes it getsaware of, even if they seem - or are - 'less good' then the seednodes. I think the seednodes.ref causes rather an all-to-long-remaining bottleneck when contacting the network. Maybe it will get (preferable much) better, and I truelly hope so, but if it doesn't it has been yet another giant waste of time. I mean, I'm sure there are lots of improvements, but if endusers don't see the difference and still get a crappy working network, it's rather pointless. Maybe I'm just talking in a mood of dissapointment, but, even as a fan of Freenet (or I wouldn't do what I'm doing), I'm getting rather tired of all those months and even years of 'improvements' that just don't seem to materialise into a better, faster Freenet. I've expressed my opinion before: I think the only chance of actually getting somewhere, is by creating a large, 'real-life' testnetwork where the actual workings can be followed in detail. Toads' little network already showed some promise, but falls far short of what is needed. I can't but feel that, if we had done that a year before, we would now be much further in the development and with a good chance of having a working Freenet. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: A severe freenet exploit?? - or just FUD?
IMHO we need to make freenet work before we make it workfast. And the timescale on making it work may be a timescale of years. Ah, toad...you eternal optimist, you! ;-) Lets say decennia, to be on the safe side!! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: A severe freenet exploit?? - or just FUD?
If the exploit is that low level, I don't really see how it could work,except perhaps by exploiting a remote execution hole in the hostoperating system (or JVM). Hmm..well, that may be a bit too much of 'brushing off'. Whether or not is is a fault in Freenet itself or in the JVM/OS, ultimately, it changes nothing to the (proclaimed) fact that people can discover the original IP address. It may be low-level, and encryption may not be broken, but one of the main goals of Freenet is still based on plausable deniability, me thaught. What he says may be completely FUD, but if it is true, then I don't think it does any good to say "Oh, but that ain't a freenet-bug, it's a JVM bug". That will be of little consolation to people who are using freenet. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Mascotte! :-)
i thought we had one !? he/she/it's called Hops; the visual appearance has been attached as an image as described by innocent bystanding witnesses Well, shite! What the? Not much advertising must have gone into that, because I had no idea there already was a bunny. :-( I think mine is more funny, though. Ah well... I thought about refining mine and proposing it as the official freenetbunny, but I guess the Higher Gods will never agree, now. Can as well throw it in the recycling-bin. :-/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] present for toad
I also remember an old request from Toad, so while I was in the drawing mood... www.freenethelp.org/toad ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Help!!!
"Basicly this network here is screwed up!" O, so you are using Freenet already? ;-) Basically, the stable build is currently really shitty. I suggest you install the unstable build. (6452 it is currently, I believe). Also,keep in mind that even unstable is beta (duh), and it needs a few days to specialise anyhow. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] RE: Freenet stable build 5063
"Been running this for 20 hours now, and I have to say it rocks :)" It rocks? stable? It *rocks*, you say? Please state the nature of your medical condition. Or, if N/A, please indicatefrom whichparallel universe you cameand how youmanaged to postinto this one. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
[freenet-support] Re: New with this ... please some help
So, everything seems to go wonderful until it comes the timeto load the web-pages. :) I have been trying to load the Freedom Engine and it alwayssays ... " The network is busy, please try again later.Retrying" I'm not sure what yourproblem is... I can asure you: your experiences are in full compliance with the current working of Freenet! ;-) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
[freenet-support] Freenet haiku
There once was anewFreenet node, to everyrequest it said 'hit the road' but thendata got inserted, and it'srouting allperverted, the only thing it could do was overload. :-) ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
