Re: [freenet-support] How to force freenet to use a non-default java
If you're running the jar directly, you could just hardcode the path to Java in front of it. i.e. instead of typing 'java -jar freenet.jar' you could type something like '~/bin/java -jar freenet.jar'...and you could put that into a shell script or some kind of shortcut to make it easier. If you're launching with the shell script (is there a launcher shell script anymore?), you could just change where it calls java and hardcode your own location as above. If you're already launching Freenet from a shortcut of some type, try right-clicking or looking around for some way to edit the command that it's running and make the changes I've suggested above. I realize this is all bit vague - I haven't used 0.7 (well, tried it a few times, always returned to 0.5), and I also don't know what kind of system you're running, but hopefully that will give you a general idea. If you have any specific issues or questions about what I've said, I may be able to help you out further. On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Eric Chadbourne wrote: > On 09/07/2010 08:33 PM, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote: > > I don't have root access to my machine. > > I installed Sun Java 1.6 in my own user directory. > > I created a java a soft link in $HOME/bin. > > But I cannot put $HOME/bin ahead of the other libraries in $PATH. > > How can I force freenet to use the java version in $HOME/bin? > > > > Or if this is not the right approach, what would suggest? > > at terminal can you export JAVA_HOME and then type env and see what it > says? > > alternatively can you specify which java version to use when starting > freenet? off the top of my head i can't remember how to do this at > terminal. i have two versions of java installed and gnome let's me > select which version to use when i right click on the jar. > > hope that helps, > eric c > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Brian Flowers Co-coordinator and Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President,PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Secretary and Webmaster, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ President and Webmaster, PSU ACLU http://clubs.psu.edu/up/aclu Webmaster, PSU College Libertarians http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/libertarians/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Why does my system go so slow when I run freenet on its own computer paral
Not sure why adding the router would change it(I'm not sure exactly what you setup is/was,) but I would add an input bandwidth limit. Note that the freenet limit uses bytes, while your speed is measured in bits. So your speed, 450kbps, is 56KB/s. I'd set the input limit to 20. Even if all you're doing is downloading a file, it still needs some upstream bandwidth, so if Freenet is sucking it all up, it'll make everything you do online seem slow. On Jul 25, 2010 4:49pm, user1 wrote: > Before I got the new Gateway Router everything seemed to work okay. I just checked the speed of my desktop machine when the freenet machine is running at the same time. Speed of desktop machine: Download speed= 1904 Kbps Upload speed = 167 Kbps ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] philosophical question
It could be done, and pretty easily too I believe. However, the problem is that it would need to be done through some kind of 'bridge' website, and whoever ran the server for such a site would have some serious legal problems. I mean, if people just hosting .torrent files can be successfully prosecuted, it seems extremely unlikely that a Freenet bridge wouldn't land the owner in prison for many, many years. But yes, all you really should need to do is lightly modify the config file or set up a proxy on your local machine and you can start serving all of Freenet to the outside world. But you would have whatever your national LEA is knocking on your door as soon as they discovered it. Sure, there are some nations (the US included) where you _shouldn't_ be able to be charged with anything for such an act, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't try (and succeed...). On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Ichi wrote: > Hello Support, > > Long ago, reading Ian's paper, I imagined Freenet as a data haven > that would be accessible via the internet, not just to other Freenet > nodes.That's obviously not how it's worked out. Although I do > find some flogs replicated on anonymous websites, I can't tell > whether that's been done manually or automated. I do appreciate > that porting Freenet to the internet could be risky. Is that the > only issue? Does Freenet have a policy against such porting? > > -- > Best regards, > Ichi mailto:i...@xerobank.net > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Lead Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 50, Issue 9
Freenet is exactly what was being discussed. He wasn't looking for support for illegal activities, he was looking for support for Freenet, which he happened to be using in a way that in certain countries is illegal. So should we refuse support to anyone asking for help with freenet if their use of it happens to be illegal in, say, China? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Evan Daniel wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:58 AM, freenet wrote: >> >> On Nov 9, 2009, at 17:16:24 +0100, bimbek wrote: >> >>> >>> Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban >>> the poor >>> guy. >>> >>> I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US >>> court >>> would say that using freenet is illegal... >> >> Did anyone catch the irony that the Freenet Project - that is >> dedicated to overcoming censorship and promoting absolute free speech >> for all worldwide - has just banned, censored if you will, someone >> from a simple support e-mail list? >> >> But from the Freenet web site at http://freenetproject.org/philosophy.html >> : >> >> "You cannot guarantee freedom of speech and enforce copyright law. It >> is for this reason that Freenet, a system designed to protect Freedom >> of Speech, must prevent enforcement of copyright." > > Freenet must operate under the laws of both the US and the UK. What's > surprising, exactly? > > If you want support for illegal activities, don't look for it on > moderated, non-anonymous forums like this email list! How surprising > is that? Seriously, if you want to discuss illegal activities, > shouldn't you be using something like, I don't know, Freenet? > > Evan Daniel > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Meh, it's no different from what television and movie producers do on a daily basis... On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:27 PM, VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: > urza9...@gmail.com пишет: >> ...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed >> illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you >> can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in >> the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about >> murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the >> perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be >> watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such >> a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but >> the list would still be legal. > > I'm sure if you create supp...@murder-list.org and provide specific > information > about how to murder somebody you would get into legal trouble even in the most > pro-free-speech countries. Of course it would depend on what it means for > Freenet to be 'illegal'. > > - Volodya > >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist >> wrote: >>> bimbek пишет: Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the poor guy. I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US court would say that using freenet is illegal... >>> Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i >>> don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail >>> list will have to shut down, thus de-facto "banning" everybody from it. >>> >>> - Volodya >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast >>> http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut >>> >>> "None of us are free until all of us are free." ~ Mihail Bakunin >>> ___ >>> Support mailing list >>> Support@freenetproject.org >>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >>> Unsubscribe at >>> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >>> Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >> >> >> > > > -- > http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast > http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut > > "None of us are free until all of us are free." ~ Mihail Bakunin > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
...why would this mailing list have to shut down if Freenet was deemed illegal? Just because you can't run the software doesn't mean you can't talk about it. We (supposedly) have freedom of speech here in the US - I mean, murder is illegal, but you can still _talk_ about murder. Hell you can even run a mailing list dedicated to plotting the perfect murder if you wanted. Of course the list would likely be watched heavily by the government, and if someone was murdered in such a fashion everyone on the list would likely be instant suspects, but the list would still be legal. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: > bimbek пишет: >> Oh, with all the respect Matthew Toseland, you did not need to ban the >> poor guy. >> >> I hope that one day you will not ban all of us just because some US >> court would say that using freenet is illegal... > > Actually somebody will (whether or not it will be Matthew Toseland or not i > don't know). Since i'm sure that if Freenet will become illegal, this e-mail > list will have to shut down, thus de-facto "banning" everybody from it. > > - Volodya > > > > > -- > http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Echo of Freedom, Radical Podcast > http://www.freedomporn.org/ Freedom Porn, anarchist and activist smut > > "None of us are free until all of us are free." ~ Mihail Bakunin > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Hah, I don't really need a welcome, I've been here my whole life :) And he wasn't using the email list to discuss illegal activities, he was using the email list to get support for Freenet - exactly what it is here for. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Mike Cook wrote: > Welcome to the USA. You need to be very careful these days in regard to > any discussion of file sharing. There are many legal pitfalls and many > with deep pockets just looking for an opportunity to sue. Like it or not > email lists are not a place to discuss illegal activities whether you > agree with the law or not. > > urza9...@gmail.com wrote: >> Wow, that's a bit...extreme. I mean there's a _huge_ difference >> between refusing to give someone support, which may or may not be >> legal, and completely banning them. I mean just because _you_ can't >> help him doesn't mean nobody else on this list can. Way to alienate a >> rather significant percentage of the user base. >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Matthew Toseland >> wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 18 October 2009 11:24:08 Toni Bergman wrote: >>> ... >>> I present you with my graph. I'm downloading music from freenet. >>> Thanks for your detailed bug report. However, based on your graph, which >>> contains clear evidence of copyright infringement (there *is* legal music >>> on Freenet, but the Thaw instance shown includes stuff that is almost >>> certainly not legal), you have just earned a permanent ban from the support >>> list. Because of this I will not be able to act on any of the issues you >>> mentioned, as this would be equivalent to providing tech support to known >>> pirates. Please go away and don't come back. >>> >>> Sorry folks, but PIRACY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. >>> >>> This policy is the result of MGM vs Grokster, where the Supreme Court of >>> the United States of America found the defendant guilty because amongst >>> other reasons, it provided technical support to people it knew to be >>> engaged in copyright infringement. The EFF's peer to peer advice is not to >>> provide tech support at all, but IMHO this is more or less impossible for >>> an open source project. See here: >>> http://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-know-about-copyright-law >>> >>> Freenet Project Inc is incorporated in the USA under Californian law. I >>> have a responsibility not to get them into legal trouble, although I am >>> based in England. >>> >>> ___ >>> Support mailing list >>> Support@freenetproject.org >>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >>> Unsubscribe at >>> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >>> Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Piracy will not be tolerated
Wow, that's a bit...extreme. I mean there's a _huge_ difference between refusing to give someone support, which may or may not be legal, and completely banning them. I mean just because _you_ can't help him doesn't mean nobody else on this list can. Way to alienate a rather significant percentage of the user base. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Sunday 18 October 2009 11:24:08 Toni Bergman wrote: > ... >> >> I present you with my graph. I'm downloading music from freenet. > > Thanks for your detailed bug report. However, based on your graph, which > contains clear evidence of copyright infringement (there *is* legal music on > Freenet, but the Thaw instance shown includes stuff that is almost certainly > not legal), you have just earned a permanent ban from the support list. > Because of this I will not be able to act on any of the issues you mentioned, > as this would be equivalent to providing tech support to known pirates. > Please go away and don't come back. > > Sorry folks, but PIRACY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. > > This policy is the result of MGM vs Grokster, where the Supreme Court of the > United States of America found the defendant guilty because amongst other > reasons, it provided technical support to people it knew to be engaged in > copyright infringement. The EFF's peer to peer advice is not to provide tech > support at all, but IMHO this is more or less impossible for an open source > project. See here: > http://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-know-about-copyright-law > > Freenet Project Inc is incorporated in the USA under Californian law. I have > a responsibility not to get them into legal trouble, although I am based in > England. > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Developer, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] problems with internet
I've had that problem before actually, though it was on Freenet 0.5. Is there still a way to set bandwidth limits? That's what I had to do. Freenet saturated the network so heavily that while it was running _nothing_ else would work. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Juiceman wrote: > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:11 AM, wrote: >> hi. >> Internet through a router. >> after installing freenet, lost internet in opera, mozila, ie8 >> emule and utorrent working properly. >> how to fix? > > It is possible that Freenet traffic is overloading your poor router, > though if you can torrent this seems unlikely. Please try rebooting > your DSL/Cable modem and router. If that doesn't work, shut down > Freenet and see if that is the problem; if it is, I'm sorry to say > uninstall Freenet or replace your router. > > -- > I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the > death, your right to say it. - Voltaire > Those who would give up Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve > neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Deveoper, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] elettra, a supplementary way to encrypt files on your harddisk
It could be quite useful to encrypt downloads though, and/or Freenet itself... On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Artefact2 wrote: > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM, bqz69 wrote: >> >> Elettra might be supplementary to freenet users, a supplementary way to >> encrypt important data on your harddisk? >> >> > Pointless imho. Freenet *already* encrypt pretty much everything even > remotely critical by default (and even more in higher physical security > levels) and it already uses plausible deniability. > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Deveoper, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?
Yes, that is normal. People are downloading files from you. That's how Freenet works. On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Art Charbonneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On my freenet homepage I noticed in the stats that 5 uploads were active > even though I had not initiated any uploads. Is this normal, or is something > amiss? > > Also, when Firefox (ver 3.02) comes up, there is no menu item 'Tools', so I > can't disable the cache or history. Can I change this somewhere? > > Running version 0.7, latest build, and Vista. > > Thanks > Gofer > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Darknet Question .... and some other fundamental Qs
Well, the entire point of Freenet is that nobody can know where the data originated. So if you're asking if there's a way to only get data inserted by nodes you're friends with - no. That would defeat the purpose of Freenet. If you're asking if you can only get data that is stored on your friends' nodes, then yes, setting it to only one hop should work I believe (But then again, I'm not _too_ familiar with how Freenet works. Especially 0.7.) But if you're trying to limit access to a small number of peers, can't you just set it as darknet and only add those peers? On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Benjamin Hecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old > > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ? > > > > Yes, a darknet of peers located on the same LAN (for bandwidth > reasons). Can Freenet be configured to allow only pushing/pulling from > friends (and not from friends of friends). I understand that the > current Freenet paradigm is setup in such a way that a node cannot > tell if a friend was the origin of the data or if he is just caching > it so I am curious if such a setup is possible. > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 AM, Julien Cornuwel > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Benjamin Hecht a écrit : > >> When using Darknet, are requests forwarded by friends that are not > >> friends of your node? > >> > >> For example, if you are friends (via Darknet) with (person A) and > >> (person B). And (person B) is friends with (person C) via Darknet, > >> will a request from (person A) to (B) be forwarded to (C) if that > >> piece is unavailable at (B). > > > > Yes it is. This is the only way to have a global darknet. > > > >> If it is, is it possible to disable this feature -- I guess in other > >> words, would changing maximum hops to 1 (if possible) prevent > >> searching "Friends of Friends" searching/downloading/pushing, etc.? > > > > Why would you want to do that ? You would only be able to see what your > > direct friends have in their store. Are yu trying to create an old > > fashion darknet where only a few people have access to it ? > > > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFIlXGamY5qNqKdYw0RAgilAJ4xicXtE4y/lhbHZ4Ks0ksjSknePwCeI4W0 > > lxZSDSN8yzlA/xVxTCS+gHs= > > =SNKc > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support@freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] does freenet slow down the computer
There should be bandwidth limits somewhere in the config file. I'm using 0.5myself, I'm guessing you're on 0.7, but look around in freenet.conf or whatever configuration files you can find for some kind of input and output bandwidth limits. I suggest running a speed test on your connection (just google 'internet speed test', there's tons of them out there), and rounding the speeds down to the nearest 100kbps or so and setting that as your limits. I've actually found that lowering the OUTGOING bandwidth limit a bit helps my browsing speed a lot more than limiting the incoming bandwidth. On Oct 31, 2007 4:51 PM, its me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *After I installed freenet, when the computer is idle, it is sending out > 56338 packets and receiving 139442 packets even when no program is running. > * > ** > *Is this activity all from freenet and if so, is that why my computer is > very slow when I am trying to browse regular pages on the internet ? * > ** > *thanks for any help you can provide* > ** > *Brian* > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] unable to access http://127.0.0.1:8888/ as instructed in welcome page (OS X 10.2.8)
Ensure that freenet is actually running. Personally I run Linux and Freenet 0.5, but I'm thinking it'll probably be about the same. Just look for and run 'start-freenet.sh'. It might take a while for that to start up, so give it a few minutes before trying to get to 127.0.0.1:. On 6/4/07, Ben Dougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I can't get Freenet working on OS X 10.2.8. I've installed Freenet (0.7) which appears to have gone successfully: in Applications there's a folder called Freenet with a number of files inside, including welcome.html which says I've successfully installed it. The next instruction is to access http://127.0.0.1:/ -- this I can't do. In both Safari and Firefox. I've tried a number of different things but that page can't be accessed at all. Any ideas why it's not possible for me to follow the configure instructions on the welcome page? Thanks. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Newbie Reply
well, unless something's changed in the newer versions (I still use 0.5 for various reasons), that means freenet isn't running. I'm assuming you are running windows, so make sure the little freenet icon appears in the system tray, and if so, right click and there should be an option to view the error log. But then again, my knowledge is based off running 0.5 on XP, before 0.7 even came out, so things might be a bit different. Maybe someone else here can help you some if that's the case. On 4/30/07, Brent Pugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > when i copy and paste the site it says cannot find server what am i > doing wrong? > > > > > You would search for files by either finding them on websites (check > http://localhost: if you haven't already) or using the search > feature of frost. > > On 4/30/07, Brent Pugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi I was wondering how to set this up and actually what it was. I > was > > thinking of using fuqid .how do i search for files?? > > can anyone please hlep > > > > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Newbie
You would search for files by either finding them on websites (check http://localhost: if you haven't already) or using the search feature of frost. On 4/30/07, Brent Pugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi I was wondering how to set this up and actually what it was. I was > thinking of using fuqid .how do i search for files?? > can anyone please hlep > > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] unrecognized command: Java -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize
Just wanna post this so there's an answer in the archives: Turns out I didn't have real java. I had 'JamVM'. Which, despite running the real java install several times, is still running instead of java. And it won't let me uninstall it. But I have freenet working now by putting in the full path to the real java binary. Getting rid of this JamVM thing can wait I suppose. On 4/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's not working. One other thing I had to change in the script was > add an 'LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.6.17'...I just threw that in after all the > if loops that set that...but whenever I try running it now it just > gives me this: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]# sh start-freenet.sh > Detected freenet-ext.jar > Detected freenet.jar > Sun java detected. > Sun Java 1.4.2 detected. > Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m freenet.node.Main > Done > > > it never moves on to the second part. > > On 4/26/07, Juiceman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 4/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm trying to get Freenet 0.5 working, but I'm encountering the following > > error: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]# sh start-freenet.sh > > > Detected freenet-ext.jar > > > Detected freenet.jar > > > Sun java detected. > > > Sun Java 1.4.2 detected. > > > Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m > > > -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main > > > Done > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]# Unrecognised command line option: > > > -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m > > > Usage: java [-options] class [arg1 arg2 ...] > > > (to run a class file) > > >or java [-options] -jar jarfile [arg1 arg2 ...] > > > (to run a standalone jar file) > > > > > > where options include: > > > -helpprint out this message > > > -version print out version number and copyright information > > > -showversion show version number and copyright and continue > > > -cp -classpath > > >locations where to find application classes > > > -verbose[:class|gc|jni] > > >:class print out information about class loading, etc. > > >:gc print out results of garbage collection > > >:jni print out native method dynamic resolution > > > -D= set a system property > > > -X show help on non-standard options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quick and dirty fix: edit start-freenet.sh and remove the > > -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m from the command line. > > > > -- > > I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, > > your right to say it. - Voltaire > > Those who would give up Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve > > neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support@freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] unrecognized command: Java -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize
That's not working. One other thing I had to change in the script was add an 'LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.6.17'...I just threw that in after all the if loops that set that...but whenever I try running it now it just gives me this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]# sh start-freenet.sh Detected freenet-ext.jar Detected freenet.jar Sun java detected. Sun Java 1.4.2 detected. Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m freenet.node.Main Done it never moves on to the second part. On 4/26/07, Juiceman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 4/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm trying to get Freenet 0.5 working, but I'm encountering the following > error: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]# sh start-freenet.sh > > Detected freenet-ext.jar > > Detected freenet.jar > > Sun java detected. > > Sun Java 1.4.2 detected. > > Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m > > -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main > > Done > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]# Unrecognised command line option: > > -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m > > Usage: java [-options] class [arg1 arg2 ...] > > (to run a class file) > >or java [-options] -jar jarfile [arg1 arg2 ...] > > (to run a standalone jar file) > > > > where options include: > > -helpprint out this message > > -version print out version number and copyright information > > -showversion show version number and copyright and continue > > -cp -classpath > >locations where to find application classes > > -verbose[:class|gc|jni] > >:class print out information about class loading, etc. > >:gc print out results of garbage collection > >:jni print out native method dynamic resolution > > -D= set a system property > > -X show help on non-standard options > > > > > > > > > > Quick and dirty fix: edit start-freenet.sh and remove the > -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m from the command line. > > -- > I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, > your right to say it. - Voltaire > Those who would give up Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve > neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] unrecognized command: Java -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize
I'm trying to get Freenet 0.5 working, but I'm encountering the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]# sh start-freenet.sh Detected freenet-ext.jar Detected freenet.jar Sun java detected. Sun Java 1.4.2 detected. Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main Done [EMAIL PROTECTED] freenet]# Unrecognised command line option: -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m Usage: java [-options] class [arg1 arg2 ...] (to run a class file) or java [-options] -jar jarfile [arg1 arg2 ...] (to run a standalone jar file) where options include: -helpprint out this message -version print out version number and copyright information -showversion show version number and copyright and continue -cp -classpath locations where to find application classes -verbose[:class|gc|jni] :class print out information about class loading, etc. :gc print out results of garbage collection :jni print out native method dynamic resolution -D= set a system property -X show help on non-standard options -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] libc.so.6
Hmm. I commented them out, and now it APPEARS to run fine, but it doesn't. On 1/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > try to remove/comment out the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL thingy in the start scripts. > I use a 2.6.18.2-kernel, both freenet versions (5 and 7) runs proper without > this und both give me lib errors if LD_ASSUME_KERNEL is set... > > Am Donnerstag, 4. Januar 2007 02:52 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > So I had this exact same problem before, and I fixed it by using a > > different linux distro (switch from slackware back to Mandriva 2006). > > But now I'm on the distro that worked a year later (Mandriva 2007) and > > it's no longer working. But I'm a bit smarter now, so I'm hoping I can > > get it figured out. Anyways, I have freenet 0.5, jre 5.0, and I'm > > getting the following error: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnet2]# sh start-freenet.sh > > Detected freenet-ext.jar > > Detected freenet.jar > > Sun java detected. > > head: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > sed: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > Sun Java 1.4.2 detected. > > uname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m freenet.node.Main > > nice: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open > > shared object file: No such file or directory > > Done > > > > I know, you shouldn't run freenet as root. That's step 2. lol > > Anyways, the problem with the above error is that I have libc.so.6. > > It's currently located in /lib, and is pointing to libc-2.4.so Should > > I maybe link to it from somewhere else? Is it a problem with libc-2.4? > > (I had 2.3.5 before). Any ideas? > > -- > Mfg > saces > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] libc.so.6
So I had this exact same problem before, and I fixed it by using a different linux distro (switch from slackware back to Mandriva 2006). But now I'm on the distro that worked a year later (Mandriva 2007) and it's no longer working. But I'm a bit smarter now, so I'm hoping I can get it figured out. Anyways, I have freenet 0.5, jre 5.0, and I'm getting the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fnet2]# sh start-freenet.sh Detected freenet-ext.jar Detected freenet.jar Sun java detected. head: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory sed: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Sun Java 1.4.2 detected. uname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m freenet.node.Main nice: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Done I know, you shouldn't run freenet as root. That's step 2. lol Anyways, the problem with the above error is that I have libc.so.6. It's currently located in /lib, and is pointing to libc-2.4.so Should I maybe link to it from somewhere else? Is it a problem with libc-2.4? (I had 2.3.5 before). Any ideas? -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] HELP...Uninstallation
Well, on Linux I know all you have to do is delete the files, it doesn't run automatically though. On windoze, there's an uninstall file. So look for an uninstall file, and if you don't have one, just delete it. On 12/6/06, Gabriel Lipson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I desperately need to remove freenet from running on my mac. Ever > since I installed it I've had problems and it's so transparent > (whatever unix stuff is going on in the background) that I don't know > what to do. > > Please help. > > Gabe > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] HELP!!!!!
All the download links on that page are 0.5. If you're on windows hit the 'freenet-java-webinstall.exe' link, if on linux/unix use the 'freenet-stable-latest.tgz' On 12/19/06, damian alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hmm , went to that link didnt see a download for 0.5,??? > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org > >To: support@freenetproject.org > >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] HELP! > >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:53:23 -0500 > > > >You are far from the first person to have a problem with getting node > >refs for Freenet 0.7. I'm gonna say what I tell everyone else: Don't > >use 0.7. It's pretty much experimental. There's a good reason a large > >number of us are holding on to 0.5, a big one for me being that it's a > >true opennet instead of a riskier, pseudo-opennet. In other words, you > >don't have to mess with any of this getting node refs and IRC crap. > > > >http://freenetproject.org/download-old.html > > > > > >On 12/19/06, Volodya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > damian alexander wrote: > > > > well i went into mIRC&went into freenode&went into freenet-refs&didnt > >see 1 > > > > single person in the room . anyone you know who runs windows ? so i > >can get > > > > the right commands to connect & run freenet corectly ? > > > > > > If you haven't seen anybody on #freenet-refs then you've done something > >wrong, most > > > probably you haven't connected to the correct network. > > > > > > Try this: > > > /server irc.freenode.net > > > (wait until connected) > > > /join #freenet-refs > > > > > > -- > > > http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Voice of Freedom, Radical Podcast > > > http://freeselfdefence.info/ Self-defence wiki > > > http://www.kingstonstudents.org/ Kingston University students' forum > > > > > > "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin > > > ___ > > > Support mailing list > > > Support@freenetproject.org > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > > Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> >border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > >src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support@freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] HELP!!!!!
You are far from the first person to have a problem with getting node refs for Freenet 0.7. I'm gonna say what I tell everyone else: Don't use 0.7. It's pretty much experimental. There's a good reason a large number of us are holding on to 0.5, a big one for me being that it's a true opennet instead of a riskier, pseudo-opennet. In other words, you don't have to mess with any of this getting node refs and IRC crap. http://freenetproject.org/download-old.html On 12/19/06, Volodya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > damian alexander wrote: > > well i went into mIRC&went into freenode&went into freenet-refs&didnt see 1 > > single person in the room . anyone you know who runs windows ? so i can get > > the right commands to connect & run freenet corectly ? > > If you haven't seen anybody on #freenet-refs then you've done something > wrong, most > probably you haven't connected to the correct network. > > Try this: > /server irc.freenode.net > (wait until connected) > /join #freenet-refs > > -- > http://freedom.libsyn.com/ Voice of Freedom, Radical Podcast > http://freeselfdefence.info/ Self-defence wiki > http://www.kingstonstudents.org/ Kingston University students' forum > > "None of us are free until all of us are free."~ Mihail Bakunin > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet (0.5, Build 5106) has trouble with time transitions
Mine didn't. I'm running 0.5 on Linux. When I ran 0.5 on WinXP, it hit 100% CPU usage half an hour after I started it anyways Mebbe it's a problem in 0.7? On 10/29/06, Mr. Flibble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It happened before, and it happened again tonight. I got woken up by > alarms indicating 100 % CPU usage, and found out it was being caused > by Freenet, so I restarted it. > Obviously it has problems when summer/winter time transitions occur. > It's only twice a year, but thought I should mention it. Ah! That would explain why mine crashed too last night! ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Welcome to the "Support" mailing list
You need to connect to irc.freenode.net with an IRC client, not your web browser. Try mirc, which is available here: http://www.mirc.com/get.html You could also (and I highly recommend this approach) try downloading Freenet 0.5 instead, which does not require you to manually gather node references. However, freenet 0.7 and 0.5 are two completely separate networks. There is no connection between them. However, there are still a lot of people on 0.5, as 0.7 is incomplete and, we feel, has quite a few flaws. Of course, most of the people on here will disagree with me on that...but the point is, both 0.5 and 0.7 have a large amount of users that trust them, I personally am a user of 0.5, and I think 0.5 is a LOT easier to get started with. Anyways, here's where you can get 0.5: http://freenetproject.org/download-old.html On 10/28/06, Sarah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 28/10/06, Sarah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > I am trying to work with the freenet project after hearing about it last night on newnight! Am not very computer orientated though and am finding it a bit difficult. I have down loaded the software, but when i try and access http://irc.freenode.net/ to get connected (If you don't know anyone running Freenet, visit #freenet-refs on irc.freenode.net and ask nicely to exchange references with someone.) it wants Nagios Access code and password, what is this? > Thanks > > > > On 28/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Welcome to the Support@freenetproject.org mailing list! > > > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > > > support@freenetproject.org > > > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > > subscription page at: > > > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/support/scarahwarah%40gmail.com > > > > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > > > tombraider > > > > Normally, Mailman will remind you of your freenetproject.org mailing > > list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > > prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > > unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > > your options page that will email your current password to you. > > > > ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] UNINSTALLER
You do realize that on Limewire ANYONE can see what you search, what you download, and who you are, right? Limewire makes you create a username and gives out your IP address. I have found people's exact street address with just a username and IP. It's not that hard. Freenet, on the other hand, protects everything. Oh, and limewire has no way of publishing websites, no distributed data store, and no message boards. On 7/14/06, Michael A. Kuijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 07 September 2006 08:36, tommie delap wrote: >i dont know but limewire works really well!!! tell your friends to stay > away from freenet , it sucks bad!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MK ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Meh...depends where you're at. It's not one giant firewallit's a regional thing. Beijing must just have high security. Seems odd that they'd block out SSHbut I suppose SSH is a good way to hide what you're doing. On 9/1/06, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 01:12:53PM -0500, GeckoX wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was in China last year. I was able to create a VPN connection in the US with no problem. Most of the web didn't work, even SSL. SSH was completely blocked as well, which is why I was surprised that I could connect via VPN with no problems. This was in Beijing. I'm surprised SSL doesn't work - don't they _want_ to do business with the West? > > :brian > > ++ 31/08/06 15:31 +0100 - Matthew Toseland: > >On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 06:01:45PM +0400, Roman V. Isaev wrote: > >> On 08/31, Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> > > > Have you thought about that ignoring reset packets thing that was > >> > > > shown to make it possible to bypass The Great Firewall? I mean, I > >> > > > don't know too much about it, or if it'd be possible for > >> > > > freenetbut it might be worth looking in to. > >> > > That would involve platform-specific code, there's no way to do that in > >> > > java. > >> > It's unnecessary anyway because it only applies to TCP. It does however > >> > tell us something very interesting and useful: The firewall is stateless !! > >> > They pick up forbidden keywords on a packet and then send a reset > >> > packet, they don't even delete later packets on the same connection > >> > because *they don't track connections at all* ! > >> > >> But they will do that, sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. Another > >> chunk of money for Cisco I guess... > > > >The interesting thing is you can connect to IRC and discuss forbidden > >keywords... Also that study is curious because I heard they block the > >whole page, rather than just interrupt it in the middle... > >-- > >Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > >ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support@freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - -- > - > Freedom is slavery. > Ignorance is strength. > War is peace. > -- George Orwell > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFE9yabSMrcfZpjDKERAhAaAKCsTD/S/I1eM/3VEd740nYZPhj6KgCgo/Mo > JZ+MtJuu0elkY8pTZLtdMSM= > =G9+A > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE+FNAOHFIJVywduQRAkF9AJ4xeRLBj2Keu9oni0oe7zCl9VzjVgCfWpe0 aPwdgysdq2Maes3Xc4Rm+bE= =UKNu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Have you thought about that ignoring reset packets thing that was shown to make it possible to bypass The Great Firewall? I mean, I don't know too much about it, or if it'd be possible for freenetbut it might be worth looking in to. Also just wanna add that I fully support the desire to help get around the chinese firewalls and stuffbut you're one of hundreds of projects working on that same goaland personally, I'm not using 0.7 until there's a working opennet. As much as it may seem like I'm totally against darknetsit's not so much what you're working on, it's how. I still feel quite strongly that the main page should send new users to a download page for 0.5, not 0.7. As for the issue of getting a working opennet...I'll join the other people in backing offI suppose I can wait another year or so for a new versionI just hope 0.5 will last that long without any fresh users. On 8/30/06, David 'Bombe' Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 30 August 2006 22:35, inverse wrote: > beyond harvesting the connected IP addresses to raid their owner's > homes, one big concern with encrypted protocols is that they can be > filtered out by application-level scanning firewalls. I think this is > exactly what's happening in China. Yes, the session bytes that are used to initiate connections are typical. > Public-key encrypted communications show constant patterns the moment > a public key is exchanged between hosts. Communication between 0.7 nodes doesn't have to exchange public keys, those are already known as they are contained in the node reference. David ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Exactly. The theory of a darknet is you connect to people that you already know and trust. Now, there's a good chance of getting a worldwide-net because someone in group A may know and trust someone in group B, but chances are that not all of group A knows all of group B. For a real-world analogy...I don't have a problem hanging out with my girlfriend and her friends...she has no problem being with me and my friends...but my friends and her friends would never meet independently. Perhaps they would become friends with time...and perhaps people in group A of the darknet would get to know and trust people in group B of the darknetbut that would take time. I mean, I know that personally it's gonna take a few years of knowing someone before I would trust them well enough to talk about the kinda stuff some people do on freenet. I mean, yea, that time might be lowered by someone else you trust saying 'they're cool, don't worry about it'...but still, by the time you have a global network, freenet 1.0 is gonna be out. Plus it makes freenet a much better target for government agencies. Chances are the people you are connected directly to in freenet you know very well. Chances are the people you know very well live in the same country as you, if for no other reason than a shared language. So chances are, if they bust one freenet node, they can bust all connected nodes. And that actually made me think of one other thing. If you have a darknet in, say, Germany, they will most likely all speak German and upload German files. So how would they get joined to a darknet that mostly spoke English and uploads English files? Only people who speak both languages relatively well will bother to connect to both networks. But they have to not only speak both languages but also know and trust someone else who speaks the other language. Which seems to point back to smaller networks connected in few places. On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Evan, You are right - there is a lot of data to show that social networks do expand in the method being said here, but that data is based on known, non-anonymous social networks. In an anonymous network the rule of thumb is trust no one. If an openet is not the solution, neither is posting information with an embeded IP number the solution. I don't know how the openet is hackable, especially if node connections pr paths through nodes change randomly (TOR-like), but with a manually established network it only takes capturing 1 node and the entire freenet is at risk. I would be more inclined to exchange node information with someone if the information were encrypted - private/public key. In an anonymous social network I would be more inclined to expand that network to others because my node information is encrypted. >From: "Evan Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: support@freenetproject.org >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 >Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:06:37 -0400 > >Please justify your assumptions. > >There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how >they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet >darknet would be built upon would be different. > >Evan > >On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know >>the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the >>networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And >>wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if >>you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you >>request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of >>connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than >>connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect >>between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the >>ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual >>networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you >>have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you >>have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a >>good thing. >> >> >>On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that >>happens >> > > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no >>main >> > > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently >>is >> > > >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to >> > > >>everyone else. >> > > > >> > > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global >>network, not >> > > >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. >> > > > >> > > >Ian. >> > > >> > > Ian, >> > > >> > > How can freenet grow to be a g
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
I got nothing. No 'icon', no tags to place an icon, nothing. On 8/27/06, Nicholas Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When I opened the message below all that displayed was an icon. When I attempted to save the icon all hell broke loose. My mail client was closed. After some attempts I was able to reboot and the spamblocker (earthlink) had examined the message and found nothing suspicious. However now I found that a message was displayed as shown below. A similar behavior with the message immediately preceding and with the same "i" icon. Anyone have some suggestions of what had happened or why the message behaved so peculiarly? Incidently the icon was "utitled" when I attempted to save it -- my common practice when a mail message appears to be peculiar. > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 8/27/2006 12:19:54 AM > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 > > I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or > even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or T3 > could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have to > work with. > > As I follow these threads I begin to see a core group of people that are > promoting 0.7 as the way to go. They have ideas about how it will work, but > so far I haven't seen convincing evidence to show how it's going to actually > do what they say. I understand 0.7 is in it's infancy, but it's really > premature and living in an incubator. It's got a long way to go to be able > to meet the level of use people are claiming it will have. > > I was running 0.7, I'm in the process of changing OS on the PC that was > running it, but I did not like having to exchange information with someone > on IRC. It's the first time I've ever had anything to do with IRC, and > though some people are IRC advocates I've never been one. I didn't know the > people I was connecting to at all, and the only reason it didn't bother me > was because I was simply provide a computer and bandwidth. If I had an > agenda, or a real reason to be using freenet, I would never have considered > giving out information. I was about as anonymous as if I had posted my IP > address on Google for everyone to view. > > It may be called darknet, but someone forgot to turn off the light. > > > >Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know > >the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the > >networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And > >wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if > >you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you > >request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of > >connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than > >connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect > >between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the > >ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual > >networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you > >have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you > >have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a > >good thing. > > > > > >On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that > >>happens > >> > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > >> > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > >> > >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > >> > >>everyone else. > >> > > > >> > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global > >>network, not > >> > >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > >> > > > >> > >Ian. > >> > > >> > Ian, > >> > > >> > How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group > >> > trades connection information with someone in another group? > >> > > >> > Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another > >>in > >> > Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 > >>freenets. No > >> > one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, > >>and > >> > they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to > >>connect to > >> > because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their > >> > freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global > >>network? > >> > >>They won't. But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good > >>reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of > >>connected users it will gain a connection to a different network. And > >>then you have a global network. This is what is meant when people say > >>0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except > >>for the underlying prop
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a good thing. On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > >>everyone else. > > > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not > >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > > > >Ian. > > Ian, > > How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group > trades connection information with someone in another group? > > Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in > Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No > one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and > they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to > because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their > freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? They won't. But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of connected users it will gain a connection to a different network. And then you have a global network. This is what is meant when people say 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is built upon. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. Hmmm. On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to >>everyone else. > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > >Ian. Ian, How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group trades connection information with someone in another group? Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7
opennets are only bad in certain circumstances. The USA is not yet one of them. With a darknet, it may be harder to get into the network, but once your in it's a LOT easier to identify who is sharing and inserting what files. So it could be argued that a darknet is much riskier than an opennet. In a darknet, everyone else pretty much knows who you are. As soon as one computer on the net gets compromised or one person decides they don't like what you're doing, you're all pretty much screwed. I mean, I'm no expert on darknets, but it seems that if you only have 5 or 10 connections, and you always have the same connections, and you have IRC logs swapping node refs and, better yet, the actual node ref...it would be pretty easy to figure out what nodes host what files. In an opennet, this kind of thing is expected and protected against. On 8/24/06, Juiceman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So by running 0.7 in default mode I'm running in darknet? Or is there > another piece of the freenet puzzle I need to discover? > > It is a "darknet" because unless you give out your ref to someone (like currently on IRC but that will change when 0.7 becomes large enough for users to know friends using 0.7), it almost impractical to tell you are even running Freenet. The "open-net" is promiscuous and is easily mapped. See http://www.itic.ca/DIC/News/archive.html#2004-05-25 They can have your IP address and with an ignorant judge, the RIAA MPAA etc can serve you a lawsuit for copyright violations (regardless of whether or not you are infringing.) All they have to do is convince a technologically ignorant judge that Freenet is like the old Napster or similar program and they traced "copyrighted material" coming off your IP address. You are now hiring a lawyer to get the case dismissed. That is a plausible reason to use a darknet instead of an open-net here in the "free" West. Now imagine running the program can get you thrown in jail for "subversive information spreading" in some Eastern country and they can collect the info just as quickly with an open-net... A darknet would slow them down immensely. Now you see why open-nets are bad in the long run? -- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. - Voltaire ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
True, but the opennet isn't illegal. I'm not in any way saying the darknet shouldn't be added...it's a great feature...but freenet has always been an opennet, and that should be done first. People who want a darknet are probably already using other programs like Waste. If they start thinking about making the opennet form of freenet illegal, we'll know long before it happens. And there will be plenty of people (EFF, ACLU, etc) fighting it. I realize there are other countries where they can't use an opennet, but like I said, there are other darknet programs out there. That's not what freenet is. On 8/24/06, Lars Juel Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node > information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less > than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but > that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a > connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. > Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one > shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption?" > > Yup...pretty much. That's why so many people refuse to switch to 0.7 > until there's a working opennet. I'm one of them. With an opennet, you > connect to anyone who's online, with multiple connections. Don't have > to trade references and you get a lot more connections with no effort. What will you do when freenet is made illegal and all the nodes are being harvested and blocked by a national firewall? Then the whole network fall apart, this can not happen with a darknet if it's done right. To take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. It's a lot easier, cheaper and faster to take down an opennet than a darknet. > Not totally sure about the 'if the one node linking them dies you lose > all that data' part...seems like that's how it'd be handled, but I > haven't looked into 0.7 too much...because it has no opennet, so I > have no use for it. > > On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the > > data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to > > the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, > > 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. > > > > As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node > > information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less > > than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but > > that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a > > connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. > > Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one > > shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? > > > > > > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org > > >To: support@freenetproject.org > > >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 > > >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 > > > > > >Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > > >to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > > >network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > > >setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > > >everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. > > >It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local > > >LAN. > > >That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite > > >easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then > > >re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data > > >is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. > > > > > >On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I've got a question for the developers. > > >> > > >>First a couple of comments. > > >> > > >>I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it > > >>somewhere else I welcome it. > > >> > > >>I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. > > >>I > > >>don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router > > >>port > > >>for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access > > >>Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain > > >>initial access to Freenet, but after that it should go find other nodes > > >>and > > >>establish connections to them. I shouldn't have to always rely on the ones > > >>that were on IRC chat at the time I decided to set up the application. > > >> > > >>That said, here is by question. > > >> > > >> >From w
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
"As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption?" Yup...pretty much. That's why so many people refuse to switch to 0.7 until there's a working opennet. I'm one of them. With an opennet, you connect to anyone who's online, with multiple connections. Don't have to trade references and you get a lot more connections with no effort. Not totally sure about the 'if the one node linking them dies you lose all that data' part...seems like that's how it'd be handled, but I haven't looked into 0.7 too much...because it has no opennet, so I have no use for it. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org >To: support@freenetproject.org >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 > >Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is >setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to >everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. >It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local >LAN. >That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite >easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then >re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data >is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. > >On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I've got a question for the developers. >> >>First a couple of comments. >> >>I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it >>somewhere else I welcome it. >> >>I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. >>I >>don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router >>port >>for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access >>Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain >>initial access to Freenet, but after that it should go find other nodes >>and >>establish connections to them. I shouldn't have to always rely on the ones >>that were on IRC chat at the time I decided to set up the application. >> >>That said, here is by question. >> >> >From what I've seen here, there is a huge base of Freenet users on 0.5, >>and >>a large amount of content. What I fail to understand is why going to >>version >>0.7 all of that userbase and content was dropped. Why there was no way to >>connect to that Freenet and have access to the users and the content. I've >>tried to think of an example of some other internet application that made >>such a radical change that the entire existing base was dropped, and quite >>frankly I can't come up with one. I've seen application for my PC change >>so >>radically the data from the old application had to be converted before it >>would work, but a migration path was always provided. Developers, why did >>you do that? >> >>I'm new to the Freenet community, and I find it incredulous that years of >>effort involved with building the Freenet community was abandoned >>completely. What you have created is a 0.5 and a 0.7 Freenet; both will >>exist into the future. Just as many security conscious people quit >>upgrading >>PGP after 6.52 because source code was no longer readily available, many >>people will quit upgrading Freenet after 0.5. The difference is with PGP a >>file encrypted with 6.52 can be read by the newer versions. Freenet has >>isolated all of it's previous userbase and content. >> >>There is a saying, "Throwing out the baby with the bath water." You have >>done just that. >> >>
Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7
0.7 is currently darknet only. 0.5 is opennet only. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So by running 0.7 in default mode I'm running in darknet? Or is there another piece of the freenet puzzle I need to discover? >From: "Evan Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: support@freenetproject.org >Subject: Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 >and 0,7 >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:46:11 -0400 > >On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Evan, >> >>Would you define this statement? "they're (developers) working against a >>very real >>clock." > >Happily. At some point, running Freenet will (likely) become illegal, >assuming current trends continue. This includes in the West. It may >already be in France. It is safe to assume that developing Freenet >will have the same legal status, whatever that may be. > >When that happens, the darknet needs to be sufficiently functional for >development to move off the public net and onto the darknet. If the >darknet can't support a collaborative development effort by then, we >have a real problem. It may or may not be enough to kill Freenet >entirely, but it would be a big enough setback to make data resets and >incompatible versions look rosy by comparison. > >Evan >___ >Support mailing list >Support@freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local LAN. That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router port for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain initial access to Freenet, but after that it should go find other nodes and establish connections to them. I shouldn't have to always rely on the ones that were on IRC chat at the time I decided to set up the application. That said, here is by question. >From what I've seen here, there is a huge base of Freenet users on 0.5, and a large amount of content. What I fail to understand is why going to version 0.7 all of that userbase and content was dropped. Why there was no way to connect to that Freenet and have access to the users and the content. I've tried to think of an example of some other internet application that made such a radical change that the entire existing base was dropped, and quite frankly I can't come up with one. I've seen application for my PC change so radically the data from the old application had to be converted before it would work, but a migration path was always provided. Developers, why did you do that? I'm new to the Freenet community, and I find it incredulous that years of effort involved with building the Freenet community was abandoned completely. What you have created is a 0.5 and a 0.7 Freenet; both will exist into the future. Just as many security conscious people quit upgrading PGP after 6.52 because source code was no longer readily available, many people will quit upgrading Freenet after 0.5. The difference is with PGP a file encrypted with 6.52 can be read by the newer versions. Freenet has isolated all of it's previous userbase and content. There is a saying, "Throwing out the baby with the bath water." You have done just that. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
It has no opennet. As far as I'm concerned, it's useless. On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wrong, it works quite well so it's functional. It's not completed but it needs users to progress. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 0.7 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, far from functional version. On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people > happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it > die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to > populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares > away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's > better and stable. > > On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it > > is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the > > 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" while > > directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The > > 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the > > unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions, > > they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on > > the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage? > > > > On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen > > > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users > > > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing > > > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, > > > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users would > > > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha version > > > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange. > > > > > > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta > > > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5. > > > > > > > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try > > > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's > > > > > think about what would motivate someone... > > > > > > > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading > > > > > over the technical jargon. > > > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap > > > > > that does not work. > > > > > > > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this > > > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it > > > > > finally started working. > > > > > > > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once, > > > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the problem: > > > > > > > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an > > > > > unstable beta test, > > > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community? > > > > > > > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers > > > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application that > > > > > completely hogs your computer's resources? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly. > > > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually > > > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself > > > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations, > > > > > frost, fuqid, etc. > > > > > > > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and > > > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or > > > > > triple your user base. > > > > > > > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be > > > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there > > > > > that don't know about freenet already? > > > > > > > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be > > > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta > > > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is > > > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm > > > > > sure many other people also would volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Van > > > > > > > > ___
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
0.7 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, far from functional version. On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's better and stable. On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it > is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the > 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" while > directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The > 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the > unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions, > they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on > the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage? > > On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. > > > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen > > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users > > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing > > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, > > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users would > > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha version > > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange. > > > > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta > > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5. > > > > > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try > > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's > > > > think about what would motivate someone... > > > > > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading > > > > over the technical jargon. > > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap > > > > that does not work. > > > > > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this > > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it > > > > finally started working. > > > > > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once, > > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content. > > > > > > > > Here's the problem: > > > > > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an > > > > unstable beta test, > > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community? > > > > > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers > > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application that > > > > completely hogs your computer's resources? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly. > > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually > > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself > > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations, > > > > frost, fuqid, etc. > > > > > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and > > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or > > > > triple your user base. > > > > > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be > > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there > > > > that don't know about freenet already? > > > > > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be > > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta > > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is > > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm > > > > sure many other people also would volunteer. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Van > > > > > > ___ > > > Support mailing list > > > Support@freenetproject.org > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > > Unsubscribe at > > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproj
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all inbound I guess. On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100. On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. > > > On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > >vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > >OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping > >to > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > >information about 0.7. > > > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > >it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > >user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > >connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection > >to > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > >Freenet > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could > >connect > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > >no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > >For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > >the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > >FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > >messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > >tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to > >Freent > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > >nodes, > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, > >the > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > >come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > >nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > >people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > >spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > >to have to make sure it stays connected. > > > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on > >IRC > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > >to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > >automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > >made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > >should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > >throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected > >to > >and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > >leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > >whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > > >_ > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support@freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE7HoBOHFIJVywduQRAmRbAKCSNcmGVOcoaivvlY5Mu9ZC7BxRzQCgizWM SeiHFBNK72w0S3ikj20vkps= =DFYC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.o
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains information about 0.7. I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays connected. Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to and am simply a node in a collective whole. I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
"Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands. The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant work-in-progress..." Suicide? So the fact that gaim has 1.5 in their downloads section when they have 2.0 beta 3 out is suicide? The fact that some Linux distros still use the 2.4 kernel is suicide? Funny how they're all still here and quite popular Linking to 0.7 is suicide. New people come, download it, find there's nothing there, and leave. And don't try again later. I understand that there are good reasons behind developing the darknetbut for most users looking at freenet, they're looking for an opennet. And they're looking for a network up and running. They're not expecting something that's just barely starting. On 8/21/06, Julien Cornuwel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > .7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet. > It's useless for new users. I'm not sure stopping linking it on the website would help it have more users. About content, I see new freesites apearing quite the same rythm as on 0.5 so it's just a matter of time for 0.7 to have as much content as 0.5. > And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I Where did I say that ? In "the same security level." ? AFAIK, "the same" is not equal to "better". Maybe I'm wrong. > wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months vs. > something that's been slowly improving for...well, longer than I've > known freenet. Anyway, I won't argue on that because the decision is not in my hands. The fact is that 0.7 is the only supported version and that it is the future. Not linking to the current version and gripping to the old one would be an interesting kind of suicide for a project that's a constant work-in-progress... Regards ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
.7 has very few users, very little content, and no opennet. It's useless for new users. And the security that you say is better has yet to be tested. I wouldn't bet on something that's only been around for a few months vs. something that's been slowly improving for...well, longer than I've known freenet. On 8/21/06, Julien Cornuwel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: an ominous cow herd a écrit : >I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen take >a working application and push it aside, while directing new users to an >alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing Freenet 0.5 as >the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, and 0.7 as the alpha >version still under development. New users would opt for the stable version. >Having new users directed to an alpha version while the stable version is >fully functioning is quite strange. > > My point of view is that Freenet has always been a work-in-progress. The 0.5 version you call "stable" was under developpement just before becoming unsupported. It has never been stable : google a bit and you'll find scripts for restarting it every night because of its "unstability". Did you try both versions ? If yes, you should have noticed that they are quite as stable and that 0.7 offers far better performances and AFAIK the same security level. So, why should the developpers of the project push newcomers to an old/buggy/unsupported/user-hostile network while they are working on another one that is *already* better ? My 2 cents ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 947
You really ought to get a second mailing list for the 0.7 network. Because I'm pretty sure no one here cares until there's an opennet. On 8/16/06, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Freenet build 947 is now available. This build simply makes 944 mandatory as of midnight GMT on Monday (the 21st). This is important because of various relatively minor changes in recent builds to load balancing and the lower layers of Freenet: making load limiting data persistent, increasing averaging intervals for ping times, a low level bugfix, some timeout changes and "slow start" support (a technique borrowed from TCP to estimate link capacity quickly before getting into slowly adjusting it). Please upgrade. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE48SGOHFIJVywduQRArA8AJ0cBIDI2l+0j/ir/wj+pi90/k2QwwCeIY6C KkdichxLWY4d/XIB/hE7eas= =OJAt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Linux Spiders
Well, after failing to install Freenet on Slackware, I realized, Mandrake was the best (in terms of 'just working') Linux distro I'd ever used up until 10.1 and 2005LE, so I decided to give it another shot. So far so good. Freenet's running nicely too, once I found the missing step in the Java installation instructions... Anyways, I'm looking for a spider. I googled it, but found nothing. I'd prefer an HTTP link, since freenet is still slow, but if you can only find a freenet link that's cool too...I got freenet running on this box under windoze already. Not running very well, but running. -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Multiple nodes on one IP
Ok, I think my ISP changed my IP address recently or something, because my freenet speed suddenly went to hell...and it's not much of a problem, because my IP only changes once every few months, so I don't really need to get a redirect or anything. I'm just wondering though, if I set up another node on a separate computer on my node (and therefore in the same IP address), would it help my node get re-integrated into the network faster? And would it have other benifits, like better load times even after my node is integrated well? Oh, and would I have to run a spider on the other node for it to help any? And if so, are there any spiders that run invisbly? It's my mom's computer, and though she doesn't care when I use it (formerly the only computer we had, still used by everyone, she just uses it for her email), I don't want her messing with it and closing it or anything. -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] libc.so.6
I'm trying to install freenet on slackware, and I must say it's been quite annoying so far...I had everything in a freenet folder in my home directory, but had to copy half the files right into my home directory anyways because it couldn't find them otherwise...but anyways, here's my current problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# '/root/freenet/start-freenet.sh' Detected freenet-ext.jar Detected freenet.jar Sun java detected. head: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory sed: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Sun Java 1.4.2 detected. uname: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m freenet.node.Main Done [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# nice: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Problem is, I have libc.so.6. It's under /lib/ -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet on proxy?
Is there any way to get Freenet to run through a proxy? Specifically, I need it to run through privoxy on my other comp...because this comp connects through a wired connection to another comp which connects to my router wirelessly, and I can't use bridge connection (need the connection sharing) and so I can't set this comp directly in the DMZ, which I think is what's causing freenet to not load at all. So, if I set up privoxy on the other comp, how do I route freenet through it? I tried setting up freenet itself on the other comp, but it wouldn't loadmaybe because that comp is, like, 7 years old. -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Connection timeouts
I keep getting connection timeouts, and I think it might be due to the nature of my internet connection, but I'm not sure how to go about fixing that. Basically, what I have is a router connected to two computers, and then this computer is connected through one of those two by a cable connection. The problem is that I've gotta somehow route my freenet connections not only through the router, but also through the other computer, because this computer's IP address is 192.168.0.x and the router only allows 192.168.2.x for port forwarding, DMZ, etc. Anyone know how I can do this? Both comps are currently on WinXP, though I switch this one into Linux sometimes, which is the reason for the other comp - my wifi card doesn't work in Linux. -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=55";>http://www.spreadfirefox.com/community/images/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/trust.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
